Can confirm on the M&P. I carry a 2.0 4 inch and have a 5 inch Performance Center with both ported and non-ported barrels I can swap depending on the competition.
I gotta be honest, I bought a P30L because I needed a 9mm and the LEM trigger gives me 1 trigger pull like a striker fire, but has an exposed hammer to make reholstering safer. I don't expect anyone to care about that last part, but it is a selling point of hammer fired firearms for concealed carry.
@Jesse-sz6fp if I were to carry a Glock, I'd do exactly the same. I'll be honest, if HK could make an optics ready p30 and get the cost to the same as a Glock 19 MOS, I'd never suggest a Glock to anyone again. But HK hates us.
@@lordhellfire153 I own two USPs with LEMs and a P2000 with LEM and there's still plenty of reasons I'd recommend a Glock. It's quite literally one trigger pull to learn, no real change in distance of the trigger pull either. And it's extremely simple to detail strip and clean. Not to mention it's more lightweight and streamlined/oversimplified. They're both polymer pistols but they're still different guns. The Glock is also the tinkerers gun if that's something they'd think they'd be into due to the insane amount of aftermarket. There's a lot of things I'd like for my HKs that can only be found for Glocks unfortunately. That includes quality holsters for different optic/wml configurations, both AIWB and OWB/DUTY.
Safariland, Galco, & Fobus, gun shop junk they sell you after you drop hard earned cash on a nice pistol and sell you a generic holster that has to have a retention feature otherwise it would fall out. If you’re investing in personal protection and carry, finish the investment by purchasing a quality holster and belt. Milt Sparks, Kramer, or Kenneth Null are the only holsters I’d consider and I’m just a blue collar guy. Even a budget polymer pistol from Walther. Sig, or S&W deserves proper carry gear
I agree, the SIG 226 is an excellent firearm. My favorite among all the SIGS I own by far. I have a modified MK25 with SIG Procut slide because it looks awesome, has combat sights, and optic mount. I also installed Gray Guns SRT to shorten the reset like the Legion. I also like the trigger on the MK25 226 better than the Grey Guns SAIT flat trigger. Just feels better. The weight and balance of the 226 is noteworthy also. I love your videos BTW, thanks for sharing.
The CZ-PO1 would be my pick if I could only have 1. Only downside is it is more complicated internally. It does have a firing pin block so it is drop safe. It is accurate and can be concealed. I love the decocker.
I think Beretta APX, CZ P10 or M&P 2.0 would be my recs for the average joe not because they are substantially better or different from Glocks but because they are similar enough for regularly less than 2/3rds the price on sale. That's a more range trips for the same money.
The P10 impressed me. I bought one for a loaner gun because getting a blue label Glock in my hick town isn’t easy and isn’t cheap. A P10 optics ready from grabagun with three mags shipped was cheaper than a blue label G19(non mos). The P10 fits my concealed and duty holster. It’s had three hiccups with 90lb females, but you know what that’s from.
even if my 17 slide does crack at 100k rounds, i’ve run $30k worth of cheap factory ammo through it and like im kinda ok with that. that seems reliable enough for me idk
I shot the VP9 and PDP side-by-side and liked the VP9 way more. While I did like the grip and texture of the PDP, I found the overall package of the VP9 better.
I had both and sold the VP9. It was a a grip issue for me. It didn't feel right, which is weird because the P30 and P30L are great! I thought they had the same grip, but it didn't feel like the same grip.
@@onpsxmember Medium and large backstrap with large side panels. That's the same setup I have on my P30 and P30L. I tried mixing it up, but it never quite felt right.
Re: Glock Service Life A lot of the impressions about frames cracking after 100,000 rounds on rental guns does not account for whether or not those rental guns had their springs, especially the recoil spring, replaced on any sort of a meaningful schedule. When recoil springs and parts are replaced at the end of their intended service life, those frames and guns will go forever - this is true of pretty much every accepted service pistol.
This is literally the first I've ever heard of 1st gen M&Ps "leaving a bad taste" with people. I bought my M&P over 10 years ago and they had a reputation for being solid, reliable guns on par with Glock even back then. Aside from the hinged trigger design, you'd be hard pressed to find anything negative that people would say about them. That statement really caught me by surprise.
@hansjurgen are these issues stemming just from early production runs in the first year or two? Because I did a fair amount of research before buying mine, which would have been sometime around 2011/2012, and as I've said I don't recall seeing or hearing anything of the sort at that time. If I had, I wouldn't have bought it lol. (This was right around when the original Shield was first introduced) There was nothing but praise for the M&P line from everything that I was hearing and reading during the time that I was looking into it... and since. Maybe they worked those issues out by the time I started looking at them? I dunno, like I keep saying, I'm genuinely surprised to hear of any issues with the M&P.
0:20 "Opinions on the M&P vs the Glocks for competition, any input would help with my decision." 1:18 "Glock 19 is like buying a BCM upper and Aero lower. It's boring, reliable, easy-to-acquire item that will work, and no one will be impressed." 1:47 "Glock 19 or Glock 45 is probably two most recommended pistols. I'm a bigger guy so I favor 4-inch slide with full size grip. PDP 4-inch pistol I want to try out in the future." 2:14 "Glock 19 has been so successful as a do-all handgun that it's a archetype now. Anyone brings up buying a 9mm polymer-frame pistol, the Glock 19 is usually the first one people mention, it's the default option, which is why most people start with the Glock 19 and then move on to other things pretty quickly. The Glock 19 has a place in the gun collection of everyone, it's by no means everyone's first choice but it's a millennial and Gen-X handgun of choice, much like the 1911 was for boomers and Silent generation." 3:06 "Really enjoy the content lately, maybe I haven't watched enough of your videos to hear your thoughts on the M&P line. It seems that I hear more and more online these days about Springfield and Canik." 3:57 "Staccato cells (?) are gonna be fuming at this one." 4:30 "M&P 2.0 compact 4-inch barrel, same size as the Glock 19, M&P 2.0 triggers (have) a very defined wall so you know when it breaks, easy to hit 2-inch targets consistently or targets at distance when you prep the trigger. My Glock 19 trigger has a rolling break with the spongy feel, harder and slower for me to take those precision and distance shots. M&P 2.0 has a more natural grip angle, the dot is on target straight from the draw, with the Glock I have to remember I'm shooting a Glock and I have to remind myself to bend my wrist down to find the dot." 5:09 "I own lots of guns and only 2 Glocks, a 19 and a 17. One is my bedside gun, the other I carry. That's what I think about Glocks." 5:28 "Fanboy or not gonna have a tough time outperforming a Glock 19." 6:06 "If I just wanted to buy a pistol for self-protection like the majority of people do, then a Glock most likely is the best pistol to buy. Its availability, track record, price, along with the aftermarket support make it a no-brainer for a lot of people because it's straightforward and utilitarian. Like many have said countless times Glock to the gun world is what Toyota is to the car world. That being said exactly why I personally (and?) a lot of other people don't buy into the mass appeal. It's just a Toyota, it's just a Glock, it's very plain, there's no character about it and there's nothing that it really does well out of the ordinary that a lot of pistols don't do already other than the fact that there's a ton of them everywhere for cheap, that's ultimately why the Glock is what it is. There probably are other objectively better performing polymer-frame pistols than the Glock in just about every category but lack of (the) market demand of the Glock and therefore they simply cannot keep up." 7:26 "Another reason Glock owns the market: because they were the first polymer-frame pistol, so naturally over the course of a couple of decades people are gonna be more familiar with the Glock than they will the S&W M&P or Walther PDP, and therefore there's gonna be more wide use of the Glock, and meaning more aftermarket support meaning more demand." 8:35 "It's all kind of pointless nowadays because there's a lot of pistols and weapons generally you simply cannot go wrong with. Being accurate, reliable, affordable, and available aren't characteristics specific to just one make and model." 8:57 "You prissy bi-ch of a gun snob, it's part of why your channel is good. Most gun snobs are emotional but you seem to have real reasons behind it. I bought a 226 recently and I like it, but realistically my Glock 19 is more utilitarian in most aspects, although I like the 226 experience better. No longer a comp shooter btw just have guns for self-defense." 11:01 "I agree with you Mr. Stagger [sic] I've owned many different pistols other than a Glock and finally made the decision a few years back to train with what I carry on and off duty, that's the Glock. G45 MOS is my favorite, if I had to pick one it'd be the G19. I sold most of my inventory to focus on training using one platform, couldn't be happier, even with all the disgust I get for shooting a Glock." 11:33 "Video title: Best Pistol Ever **Holds up a Glock** 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦I'm outta here, better things to do with my time." 11:41 "If I can only use one, I would choose something that was proven to not break at very high round counts. Think there's probably better options than Glocks now." 11:59 "I heard rental Gen 3 Glocks would crack slides at 100k rounds, and Gen 4 starts seeing frame failure at 10k rounds. So it seems Glock is a brand name with degrading quality possibly? I would want something guaranteed to run for a long time without critical parts failure and to be logistically independent as possible except ammo." 12:32 "I don't even own a Glock, I have numerous other options. If I were forced to pick one I'd get the 19, the only alternative would be the M&P 9 in the same form factor. But the Glock 19 wins because of the abuse that people have forced them through along with the track record. I'm not a huge fan of them but I'd choose them for sure." 13:08 "Glock 19 is a Toyota Camry of guns, it does what it needs to pretty well, there's nothing wrong with them. I tell everyone who asks if you can shoot a Glock 19, buy a Glock 19. I don't like them as much as my P320 so I don't shoot one, but if I was rich I'd buy about a dozen to have in case someone needed a gun." 13:32 "I really look at the 19, I say this as someone who EDCs a Gen 5 19, as the best compromise pistol. It's small enough it's fairly easy to conceal, large enough you can run it as a duty pistol if you choose. The big selling point to most I think, is that it takes the same parts of the other Glocks so you aren't stepping out of the ecosystem like you would with other designs. And if you don't own 40 Glock mags nowadays what are you even doing? Doesn't really excel at either role spectacularly but it does work. I'd argue the 48, especially with the Shield mag, makes a more compelling carry gun." 14:12 "I prefer my Canik TP9, it doesn't feel like holding a block of wood, the only reasonable justification for a Glock has been its reliability. Sadly for Glock, many other guns are just as reliable, have much better triggers, much better sights, better mags, and astoundingly better ergonomics. The arrogance of Glocks have caught up with them. Explain to me the logic of spending 600+ on a Glock, knowing you're gonna put an additional 500 or more into it to make it what you want and need it to be. Obviously my personal opinion, but I know it's shared with many others." 15:10 "Glocks suck, I have never regretted selling all the ones I've ever bought because they don't do anything well enough to warrant keeping them. MOS is a shit system for many reasons; for newer shooters, limp wristing tends to jam them; their mags are too thick and therefore hold way less rounds than they should; their Performance Trigger has issues; can't be field stripped without the pull of a trigger; and so on and so forth…"
love my g19. I carry and compete with it. for sure no performance to be offered by a stock glock that isn't offered by any quality pistol out there, just flat our reliable. I have switched back to my M&P2.0 for carry and matches though earlier this year.
I actually know of gen 4 glocks breaking the front of the slide where it interfaces with the recoil spring assembly, usually in .40, and probably beyond the recommended service life for that part. The same assumption would be a gen 3 cracking a slide at around 100k rounds. A lot of people still spout the "you never need to replace the recoil spring assembly and you don't need to ever service it."
That's surprising Ziggy. Going from your pfp, I thought you'd be the type to prefer the "Glizzy wit dat switch and mufugn stick mag mufuggah, ya herd me?"
I actually own a gen 1 M&P9 and its great. However, it was a later model manufactured in 2013 that incorporated changes to the trigger mechanism, frame, and barrel. There still isnt enough grip texture so i put sandpaper tape on it.
I'm also a fan of DA/SA guns. I'm playing with a PX4 G-SD from Langdon Tactical and even in competition, I don't notice the long heavy trigger pull. The short trigger reset is worth it to go faster when you need to, but that first shot tells you to slow down and get everything right before you squeeze that first shot.
I have a first generation M&P 9 Pro with an Apex trigger and sear, and it's great. The only other gun I have that I can shoot about as fast and as well is my new Laugo Alien.
I don't compete, hopefully I will soon, I've been carrying S&W 2.0 4" compact with curve trigger for 4 years now have over 12k rounds now and I'm extremely satisfied. Recoil guide rod spring did crack at about 11k, it ran just fine but i did replace before complete failure but not an issue for me. I love how it looks and feels and the finish is still holding up with about 100 draws a month from a kydex holster.
One of the reason for the popularity of Glock is it’s acceptance by Law Enforcement. One of the reasons LE gravitates towards Glock is the simplicity of maintenance and repair. An armorer can be trained in eight hours or less. This is especially important when dealing with large numbers of guns to detail strip and maintain yearly as is the case in many agencies.
For anyone that trains for performance/comp would regularly spend at minimum $200 a month on ammo and supplies; the price of the gun even the modifications don't even come close to making a difference. Just pick a platform that you can mount a solid grip on without hurting and practice the hell out of it
When I got into guns a few years back I got a Ruger American 9 full size and I was happy with it for years until the last year or so when I started wanting to put a red dot on or add any aftermarket parts like mag extension or trigger, literally no one makes anything for it. I'm now looking to add a new pistol that I can add things to.... looking at M&P 2.0 or Glock or Canick
When you trained said military unit.., are the MK25s we can buy in the stores really the same thing as the ones they have? Do you know? Did you notice?
He trains & competes around the nation. I’d be shocked if he hasn’t seen one let alone shot one. - I’ve seen a couple while competing and training. They’re basically a Glock but have extra slide rail space (more than double.) - I’d like to build one but with all OEM internals and oem upper. My research tells me all failures on that platform stem from the ZEV upper. - Curious about what he has to say on it.
I think it's possible I'd like the M&P 2.0 more but I shoot GSSF and that's for Glocks. When I shot USPSA I shot a Glock 34 and sometimes I'd be beat by guys shooting a CZ but it wasn't the gun - it was the shooter.
Is there a reason you still seem to use mostly Glock 34s even though they all have optics on them? Online it seems like a lot of people are moving towards the G45/19X with optics
S&W’s M&P 2.0 line used to be really good. Bought a 4” compact one in or around 2016 (I think) when they still had a hinge trigger, it was a solid gun and I still regret selling it. Nowadays S&W’s QC is disappointing, at best. I have enough people wanting a kydex holster for the Bodyguard 2.0 that I’m picking one up tomorrow just to press holsters on. I’ll definitely take it to the range to say I shot it, but I will honestly be surprised if it doesn’t malfunction.
I think people sleep on the USP and USP Compact because they seem to think that they're way more expensive than they really are and because they aren't optics ready unless you mill them. I personally love mine and I only carry a USP Compact now. And it was only a couple hundred more than my glocks. I do have a lot of Glocks too tho. G17, G19, G34, G43x, and a couple others. I own too many handguns right now, including the Shield Plus, Walther PDP-F 4" & PDP full size, Walther P99, couple 1911's, CZ P-01, CZ P-10F (actually really love this gun, and the P-01 as well), HK VP9, P2000, USP Compact, USP, etc.
Question for Ben - I remember you stated you started with a Beretta, then went tanfoglio (spelling?) when you were competing USPSA. I haven’t followed you enough to know but it seems there’s a lot of credence given to using one gun type for a long time to gain skills. After your USPSA departure (and in this video) did that steer you to shooting different guns (Glocks, CZ’s, staccato’s, AR’s, etc.) or did you do that before? Second question, in kind of this same vein do you think it benefits shooters to pick a solid reputable gun and stick with that gun to nail down skills in dry fire and shooting and then after a bit of mastery has developed changing platforms less?
@@Rubeless Brother… you’re in the comments in a video of Ben reading video comments and responding to them telling me Ben doesn’t read and respond to comments. I’m not saying he will, but… go look at his last 15 videos and ask yourself what he is often interacting with.
It's funny that people are saying Glocks aren't durable, when they're arguably the most durable polymer pistol on the market besides perhaps something like the USP. There's been plenty of Glocks that have made it to 200k rounds, and I've YET to hear of any other pistol even coming close to that. I've heard of P30s making it to 90k, PX4s getting to 60k, but very few pistols make it to 200k. And 200k rounds is equal to $25,000 with the cheapest crappiest bulk ammo I can find online. Who here, (besides a few high-level competitors and guys like Ben), is going to put 200k rounds through ONE gun? I can afford 50 Glocks with how much ammo I'd have to put through one to thoroughly break it. Literally the cheapest thing in the entire equation is the pistol itself.
My buddies tease me for selecting an FN 509C, but when I saw an optic cut, modular pistol with a threaded barrel and suppressor height sights. . . for $800, and then ran the glock numbers, it was kind of a no brainer 🤷♂️
The price is the price. What is the definition of overpriced? 2000 sq ft in San Clemente is a tad more than 2000 sq ft in Sierra vista az. A seiko bs a patek… If you could afford it….
@@Rubeless Why are you always on this channel trying to defend things you have never owned. The Alien is overpriced, does not shoot any better than any other limited gun. The only reason it exists is because people tried to game the carry optics and production system which it failed at. It is legal in limited, but then you have a gun that costs as much as open gun, isnt as reliable as other 2011's, with a worse trigger and aftermarket support. My fully cajunized CZ shadow was a third of an alien. It's carry optic, limited, and production legal depending on how i want to run it. The alien is OBJECTIVELY a worse value than most other guns. Not an opinion, its an objective fact. It's a gun that isnt legal in anything but open and limited, is as expensive as an atlas, but shoots worse than one. It was a hype piece that people who couldnt shoot used at the shot show range day and people ate that shit up. You can buy an open gun for 4500 bucks that runs circles around an alien.
CZ P10c is very G19 gen 5 like but you have a better trigger, and the grip sits lower in your hand. It was also sub four hundred, so buying mags and ammo for practice is affordable. I carry a G19 gen 5 for work and the only gripe I have is the grip is slightly shorter than I would like, otherwise it is the gold standard.
Hey Ben, I've been shooting production for a few years with decent success, but yesterday I shot a match with a dot for the first time and almost won the level 2 match. Even with zero practice I was able to shoot way better than I ever have in production. Should I just take the leap and switch to PO? Thank you for all the content.
Since you shoot CZ what do you think of the p10? I stared with a sp01 moved to the shadow2 and now i find myself using a p10f more and more. Trigger is decent and ergos are nice and after market is pretty good for it.
Can you make a video on the correct way to draw from the holster to presentation? I, and im sure many others, were taught “a” way, but I’m sure it’s not the “best” way. I don’t see much content from reliable instructors on how do draw to a perfect presentation, especially in the modern times of red dots on handguns. Thanks!
just a little piggybacking on the 19 i live in ca and just picked one up a month after i bought a fn 57 and i honestly dont feel to much different shooting it than the 57 outside of the recoil and smaller frame i find its just as useable as a gun twice the price. not sure why i waited so long to get one im a big fan of it after shooting it for the 1st time
Near the end of my time working behind a gun counter I got tired of hearing how many guns people owned. "I got maybe 60 pistols" I got around 40 guns" "Probably got 70 or 80" I started asking them which gun they shot best with. That question brought lots of puzzled looks. "What do you mean"? Well--do you actually shoot any of them? Yeah--I put a few rounds down range now and then. It was rare to meet a customer who shot competitively---or at all!
Glocks do have a low bow axis and from that should be more shootable than a lot of other polymers. I always recommend DA/SA for newbies though. Just a safer gun for untrained hands.
My choice was predicated on how well I shot my Glock 29, Gen 4, which I use for bear protection. This led me to the Glock 27, Gen 4, for lightweight hiking bear protection. Once I decided to try competition, I went with the Glock 49 MOS (w/Holosun EPS) which will also serve as home defense. Just got a 9mm conversion barrel for the 27 for practice and backup for competition. Deep concealment choice, and my favorite, is my Glock 42.
My son currently works for Naval Land Warfare, they actually track reliability in man portable weapon systems. Their top five systems in terms of reliability are 1) H&K MK23 2) Glock 19 3) HK 416 4) FN 240 5) H&K USP
Bogus. No one uses the mk 23. And just because they use it means nothing. The went with the 226 because they had to be different for their fragile egos. The 226 had failures just like the m9 due to ammo. Stop pretending
I really like the grip angle of the Milwaukee 16 ga trim nailer. It’s about 25 percent less reliable than the Dewalt in my evaluation. I’ll keep the Milwaukee because I just like to hold it and convince others to buy something less reliable and feel my pain. How much sense does that make?
I thought Milwaukee was a good brand and dewalt was a notch above black and decker. I have Mikita tools from a sponsor deal, I’m in no way into using them professionally.
@@Rubeless I really did compare the two. I was also just kidding about the grip angle, I didn’t even care about that but the dewalt did work more reliably. Both are the battery powered ones. There’s other types of battery powered carpentry tools where Milwaukee is better in my opinion such as the circular saw.
I feel so invested in Glock that I don’t want to really switch it up, seems like there’s better options than Glock but trying to get familiar with all my glocks and become a skilled shooter with them. Carry, home defense and comp one day Maybe next gun would be a double stack 1911 though
They arent as nice to shoot as other polymer guns. Mag price is an issue, so is aftermarket support. If you want to spend 600 bucks ontop of your USP to make it as usable as gun half the price, go for it. Awesome, reliable guns that look good. The problem is that they are kind of like Augs. You need to spend an absurd amount of money to make the gun as capable as an off the shelf AR, and itll never quite get there.
With all the experts on youtube I'll give you average dude perspective, likes to shoot steel targets or whatever, have a good time up in the mountains or the sand dunes, all that. I'm not coming from the perspective of a guy who times his splits, is video worthy, I'm just a guy who grew up in a mid sized city in the Snake River/Tetons area and guns were everywhere. Growing up we'd go shooting, never thought about trigger pull, barrel twist rate, blah blah blah. Was meant to have fun and that's still the way I look at it. Here's my priority list that I look for in a pistol: 1. Looks pretty cool 2. Won't jam 3. Easy to maintain 4. Accurate enough not to be embarrassing 5. Under $1000 (I have expensive pistols like the Staccato and CZ Shadow and while they're f'in great, feel like I got ripped off a little because at my slightly above average skill level they're not so much greater for double or triple the price of other nice pistols) 6. Doesn't make me look like a wannabe douche. Interesting about the M&P. I've been buying quite a few pistols past 3 years, various brands, never really considered M&P. Wasn't really on purpose just with the seemingly hundreds of good options, M&P just never really stood out to me until literally a week or so ago. I stop in at gun shops if I see one just to browse because it's fun. Retired cop I know who runs the D&B Supply gun section is fun to talk to so we were chatting. Knowing me a bit, he said I should check out this 4" steel M&P 2.0 because he knows I also like pistol/PCC combo and M&P has that relatively new foldable PCC. I've toted around a Glock 17 with the Ruger 10122 PCC for a long time when I'm in mountians or back country and don't want to have different mags and ammo. Have to say, 2.0 Metal seems really cool. Weight is good, size is good, grip felt fantastic but what surprised me the most was the trigger. I like the PDP series a lot so I wasn't prepared to be impressed but it felt clean like the Walther trigger. Hard to find youtube reviews on the 2.0 Metal. Anyone have some insight?
ZEV is the only gun you need; it has modern technology advantages and lots of 1911 features; it’s well balanced, flat shooting, and accurate….. everything you need in a do it all handgun. Grip choices another big plus
Who the hell is acting like Walther is just now coming on the scene? Fun fact, Walther was founded in 1886. Glock was founded in 1963. Walther has been around almost a century longer than Glock. Walther offering a RDO cut and more boxy look made the PDP and ultimately more popular. The Walther PPQ and predecessors have been amazing platforms.
I watched the other video about this topic. I didn’t comment on that, but I agree with the consensus about the Glock 19. I have run a 19 for many years. It’s as reliable as can be and it’s as accurate as I can be. I’ve taken new Glocks and torture tested them pretty hard and they keep on running. Sure there are prettier, fancier, cooler pistols but the Glock 19 has been a pretty outstanding option for me.
Question for Ben - I remember you stated you started with a Beretta, then went tanfoglio (spelling?) when you were competing USPSA. I haven’t followed you long enough to know but it seems there’s a lot of credence given to using one gun type for a long time to gain skills. After your USPSA departure (and in this video training organizations that used different guns) did that steer you to shooting different guns (Glocks, CZ’s, staccato’s, AR’s, etc.) or did you do that before? Second question, in kind of this same vein do you think it benefits shooters to pick a solid reputable gun and stick with that gun to nail down skills in dry fire and shooting and then after a bit of mastery has developed changing platforms less? It seems like the obvious answer would be “yes”, but you never know and I was curious to confirm whether it was obvious or was there more to it?
mr. stoeger can we hear your opinion on 22lr lmao, its 90% of what i shoot bc im kinda poor but i love my ruger mark iv and tx22 and have 3 22lr uppers for my ar lol ive gotten really really good for cheap and it translates to my g19
The last comment is the one that gets me the most. Many have this opinion and I don’t understand it. Folks seem to have a major issue with pulling the trigger to take down guns. Not just the Glock.
Depends on the shooter. Is a full sized shadow 2 a better gun in your mind than a glock 34? There are pro's and cons to both. I like berettas, but most people cannot handle a non competition oriented double action pull. Are you good at a DA pull? Would you rather have consistency in your trigger pull like a glock? Its all up to you. I would carry a shadow if they had drop safeties and better manual safeties, but there are people who carry them regardless.
Plenty of striker fired, polymer guns that are reliable, walther, fn, cz, hk ive shot and owned them all the cz p10 series woeks best for me, i own the only glock i like which is the g20, the most important factor is training, train with what you like and master it
diehard glock user here (not a fanboy), and i gotta say, i absolutely love my fn 509 and springfield echelon. i didnt want to like them, but they just run and run and run are are tack-drivers
Are there pistols that I like more then a Glock because of the trigger pull, the grip angle, feel, absolutely. Have any of them even come close to a Glock in terms of ease of maintenance or reliability not exactly. The Walther PDP is growing on me. The HK USP is a tank. I am at something like 14k rounds on a gen 5 glock 34 and have not cleaned it once and it still functions flawlessly.
VALIDATE MY PURCHASE!!!!!
If he likes the gun I use we are both right and Chads.
If he doesn't..he's wrong and washed. Its that easy right?
That’s all it is when people take this personal
How many tools ask “what are your thoughts on the HK?” Dude, does it work for you…. I get it, they don’t shoot, but get a clue
@@MajorJefferson exactly. I come here for the echo chamber and reinforcing my personal biases.
@@KnifeNinjaEDC any suggestions for a non metallic edc knife or are they all trash?
The whole Internet is a circle jerk😂😂😂
Nailed it
Makes me wonder when I get to go back to my planet.
100%,,,, all these opinions, stay out of the circle 👍
I like reality better when I didn't know all these people's opinions
@@kg-zj2lq 😎👍
People invest their personalities into inanimate objects too frequently.
That’s deep brah
he said, before turning around and slapping the hood of his honda and driving into the sunset
Who worries about a Glock failing at 100,000 rounds which cost 20 grand, when you can buy a new Glock for $400? Absolute comedy😂
well not new but agree
Unless I missed it. Do a guns that suck video. Might be a spicy comment section full of suspect experiences.
Easy, springfield XD
M&P1.0 . Springfield any polymer 🤣🤣🤣
FuddBlasters is a channel that does that, the comments are always a spectacle
He just did,,, Glock Sucks! 😢😂
Can confirm on the M&P. I carry a 2.0 4 inch and have a 5 inch Performance Center with both ported and non-ported barrels I can swap depending on the competition.
Wow, two barrels
@HWG-wm8ld lol it came ported so I had to get the other one to shoot it in carry optics
I gotta be honest, I bought a P30L because I needed a 9mm and the LEM trigger gives me 1 trigger pull like a striker fire, but has an exposed hammer to make reholstering safer. I don't expect anyone to care about that last part, but it is a selling point of hammer fired firearms for concealed carry.
@Jesse-sz6fp if I were to carry a Glock, I'd do exactly the same. I'll be honest, if HK could make an optics ready p30 and get the cost to the same as a Glock 19 MOS, I'd never suggest a Glock to anyone again.
But HK hates us.
Rube logic
@@Rubeless Gimme a hug
P30/P30L with the LEM trigger is an awesome combination. I wish they offered it optic ready.
@@lordhellfire153 I own two USPs with LEMs and a P2000 with LEM and there's still plenty of reasons I'd recommend a Glock. It's quite literally one trigger pull to learn, no real change in distance of the trigger pull either. And it's extremely simple to detail strip and clean. Not to mention it's more lightweight and streamlined/oversimplified. They're both polymer pistols but they're still different guns. The Glock is also the tinkerers gun if that's something they'd think they'd be into due to the insane amount of aftermarket. There's a lot of things I'd like for my HKs that can only be found for Glocks unfortunately. That includes quality holsters for different optic/wml configurations, both AIWB and OWB/DUTY.
Lol agreed! Safariland numbering system is a mess.
i heard hop from tfb tv describe it best when he said that safariland’s website and holster id system is a “thing of grecian tragedy”
Safariland, Galco, & Fobus, gun shop junk they sell you after you drop hard earned cash on a nice pistol and sell you a generic holster that has to have a retention feature otherwise it would fall out. If you’re investing in personal protection and carry, finish the investment by purchasing a quality holster and belt. Milt Sparks, Kramer, or Kenneth Null are the only holsters I’d consider and I’m just a blue collar guy. Even a budget polymer pistol from Walther. Sig, or S&W deserves proper carry gear
Safariland is extremely good @@scottc77
Love your videos and the drama you stir up! Keep it up!
I agree, the SIG 226 is an excellent firearm. My favorite among all the SIGS I own by far. I have a modified MK25 with SIG Procut slide because it looks awesome, has combat sights, and optic mount. I also installed Gray Guns SRT to shorten the reset like the Legion. I also like the trigger on the MK25 226 better than the Grey Guns SAIT flat trigger. Just feels better. The weight and balance of the 226 is noteworthy also. I love your videos BTW, thanks for sharing.
The CZ-PO1 would be my pick if I could only have 1. Only downside is it is more complicated internally. It does have a firing pin block so it is drop safe. It is accurate and can be concealed. I love the decocker.
My go-to!
Literally 2nd nature after your first complete teardown.
Always good to have a fresh video with my nice warm coffee.. cheers mate!
Ice coffee, but same !
I think Beretta APX, CZ P10 or M&P 2.0 would be my recs for the average joe not because they are substantially better or different from Glocks but because they are similar enough for regularly less than 2/3rds the price on sale. That's a more range trips for the same money.
The P10 impressed me. I bought one for a loaner gun because getting a blue label Glock in my hick town isn’t easy and isn’t cheap. A P10 optics ready from grabagun with three mags shipped was cheaper than a blue label G19(non mos). The P10 fits my concealed and duty holster. It’s had three hiccups with 90lb females, but you know what that’s from.
On my way to pick up APX A1 compact. $299 with $100 rebate can’t beat that.
Love the apx. My brother has the a1 and I'm trying to buy it from him. Great guns
A1 compact tactical 👍
people like to get triggered and act like karens when someone chooses something other than what they like. it would be funny, if it wasnt just sad.
It's still funny.
even if my 17 slide does crack at 100k rounds, i’ve run $30k worth of cheap factory ammo through it and like im kinda ok with that. that seems reliable enough for me idk
At this point in time there are so many options for reliable pistols just pick a recognized brand, choose a model, and train with it.
It’s that easy.
There are VERY few reliable handguns---period.
@@robertwatson818 well if there a very few can you name the ones that are reliable?
@@robertwatson818 PDP, Beretta, Glocks, M&Ps, CZP10s, just off the top of my head.
Very few?
Maybe in 1994 Fuddboy.
Love my SSMR920. Gives the flair and better optics mounting than mos plus can adjust grip angle
I’ve never heard you talk about the H&K VP9. Do you have any experience with it?
Personally, I prefer the P-10F for carry optics. Simple, reliable, and a smooth shooter. To each their own tho!
I'm going to second that. Love my P-10F w/ SRO. GREAT pistol. I do still have some tiny glocks for carry though (42&43)
And they are stupidly cheap. Worth a buy
Ben, what about the VP9? It's got comparable ergos/trigger to the PDP, but the recoil is much much better (not quite a glock, but close)
I shot the VP9 and PDP side-by-side and liked the VP9 way more. While I did like the grip and texture of the PDP, I found the overall package of the VP9 better.
@@aggrodkreg4321
Play around with the grip panels and backstraps and you'll like it even more.
I had both and sold the VP9. It was a a grip issue for me. It didn't feel right, which is weird because the P30 and P30L are great! I thought they had the same grip, but it didn't feel like the same grip.
@@SnapD24
Which grips did you try on the vp9 and which on the P30 ?
@@onpsxmember Medium and large backstrap with large side panels. That's the same setup I have on my P30 and P30L. I tried mixing it up, but it never quite felt right.
CZ P-07 is slept on for ccdw.
Re: Glock Service Life
A lot of the impressions about frames cracking after 100,000 rounds on rental guns does not account for whether or not those rental guns had their springs, especially the recoil spring, replaced on any sort of a meaningful schedule.
When recoil springs and parts are replaced at the end of their intended service life, those frames and guns will go forever - this is true of pretty much every accepted service pistol.
This is literally the first I've ever heard of 1st gen M&Ps "leaving a bad taste" with people. I bought my M&P over 10 years ago and they had a reputation for being solid, reliable guns on par with Glock even back then. Aside from the hinged trigger design, you'd be hard pressed to find anything negative that people would say about them. That statement really caught me by surprise.
Nah it was a well known dumpster fire. Just look at the trigger safety…
@Kh2456 as I said, news to me. The common response back in the day was "just drop in an Apex trigger and it's good to go." 🤷
@@FabianStrategy-76
There were many that had barrels that were lemons in terms of accuracy from the og m&p
@hansjurgen are these issues stemming just from early production runs in the first year or two? Because I did a fair amount of research before buying mine, which would have been sometime around 2011/2012, and as I've said I don't recall seeing or hearing anything of the sort at that time. If I had, I wouldn't have bought it lol. (This was right around when the original Shield was first introduced) There was nothing but praise for the M&P line from everything that I was hearing and reading during the time that I was looking into it... and since. Maybe they worked those issues out by the time I started looking at them? I dunno, like I keep saying, I'm genuinely surprised to hear of any issues with the M&P.
0:20 "Opinions on the M&P vs the Glocks for competition, any input would help with my decision."
1:18 "Glock 19 is like buying a BCM upper and Aero lower. It's boring, reliable, easy-to-acquire item that will work, and no one will be impressed."
1:47 "Glock 19 or Glock 45 is probably two most recommended pistols. I'm a bigger guy so I favor 4-inch slide with full size grip. PDP 4-inch pistol I want to try out in the future."
2:14 "Glock 19 has been so successful as a do-all handgun that it's a archetype now. Anyone brings up buying a 9mm polymer-frame pistol, the Glock 19 is usually the first one people mention, it's the default option, which is why most people start with the Glock 19 and then move on to other things pretty quickly. The Glock 19 has a place in the gun collection of everyone, it's by no means everyone's first choice but it's a millennial and Gen-X handgun of choice, much like the 1911 was for boomers and Silent generation."
3:06 "Really enjoy the content lately, maybe I haven't watched enough of your videos to hear your thoughts on the M&P line. It seems that I hear more and more online these days about Springfield and Canik."
3:57 "Staccato cells (?) are gonna be fuming at this one."
4:30 "M&P 2.0 compact 4-inch barrel, same size as the Glock 19, M&P 2.0 triggers (have) a very defined wall so you know when it breaks, easy to hit 2-inch targets consistently or targets at distance when you prep the trigger. My Glock 19 trigger has a rolling break with the spongy feel, harder and slower for me to take those precision and distance shots. M&P 2.0 has a more natural grip angle, the dot is on target straight from the draw, with the Glock I have to remember I'm shooting a Glock and I have to remind myself to bend my wrist down to find the dot."
5:09 "I own lots of guns and only 2 Glocks, a 19 and a 17. One is my bedside gun, the other I carry. That's what I think about Glocks."
5:28 "Fanboy or not gonna have a tough time outperforming a Glock 19."
6:06 "If I just wanted to buy a pistol for self-protection like the majority of people do, then a Glock most likely is the best pistol to buy. Its availability, track record, price, along with the aftermarket support make it a no-brainer for a lot of people because it's straightforward and utilitarian. Like many have said countless times Glock to the gun world is what Toyota is to the car world. That being said exactly why I personally (and?) a lot of other people don't buy into the mass appeal. It's just a Toyota, it's just a Glock, it's very plain, there's no character about it and there's nothing that it really does well out of the ordinary that a lot of pistols don't do already other than the fact that there's a ton of them everywhere for cheap, that's ultimately why the Glock is what it is. There probably are other objectively better performing polymer-frame pistols than the Glock in just about every category but lack of (the) market demand of the Glock and therefore they simply cannot keep up."
7:26 "Another reason Glock owns the market: because they were the first polymer-frame pistol, so naturally over the course of a couple of decades people are gonna be more familiar with the Glock than they will the S&W M&P or Walther PDP, and therefore there's gonna be more wide use of the Glock, and meaning more aftermarket support meaning more demand."
8:35 "It's all kind of pointless nowadays because there's a lot of pistols and weapons generally you simply cannot go wrong with. Being accurate, reliable, affordable, and available aren't characteristics specific to just one make and model."
8:57 "You prissy bi-ch of a gun snob, it's part of why your channel is good. Most gun snobs are emotional but you seem to have real reasons behind it. I bought a 226 recently and I like it, but realistically my Glock 19 is more utilitarian in most aspects, although I like the 226 experience better. No longer a comp shooter btw just have guns for self-defense."
11:01 "I agree with you Mr. Stagger [sic] I've owned many different pistols other than a Glock and finally made the decision a few years back to train with what I carry on and off duty, that's the Glock. G45 MOS is my favorite, if I had to pick one it'd be the G19. I sold most of my inventory to focus on training using one platform, couldn't be happier, even with all the disgust I get for shooting a Glock."
11:33 "Video title: Best Pistol Ever **Holds up a Glock** 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦I'm outta here, better things to do with my time."
11:41 "If I can only use one, I would choose something that was proven to not break at very high round counts. Think there's probably better options than Glocks now."
11:59 "I heard rental Gen 3 Glocks would crack slides at 100k rounds, and Gen 4 starts seeing frame failure at 10k rounds. So it seems Glock is a brand name with degrading quality possibly? I would want something guaranteed to run for a long time without critical parts failure and to be logistically independent as possible except ammo."
12:32 "I don't even own a Glock, I have numerous other options. If I were forced to pick one I'd get the 19, the only alternative would be the M&P 9 in the same form factor. But the Glock 19 wins because of the abuse that people have forced them through along with the track record. I'm not a huge fan of them but I'd choose them for sure."
13:08 "Glock 19 is a Toyota Camry of guns, it does what it needs to pretty well, there's nothing wrong with them. I tell everyone who asks if you can shoot a Glock 19, buy a Glock 19. I don't like them as much as my P320 so I don't shoot one, but if I was rich I'd buy about a dozen to have in case someone needed a gun."
13:32 "I really look at the 19, I say this as someone who EDCs a Gen 5 19, as the best compromise pistol. It's small enough it's fairly easy to conceal, large enough you can run it as a duty pistol if you choose. The big selling point to most I think, is that it takes the same parts of the other Glocks so you aren't stepping out of the ecosystem like you would with other designs. And if you don't own 40 Glock mags nowadays what are you even doing? Doesn't really excel at either role spectacularly but it does work. I'd argue the 48, especially with the Shield mag, makes a more compelling carry gun."
14:12 "I prefer my Canik TP9, it doesn't feel like holding a block of wood, the only reasonable justification for a Glock has been its reliability. Sadly for Glock, many other guns are just as reliable, have much better triggers, much better sights, better mags, and astoundingly better ergonomics. The arrogance of Glocks have caught up with them. Explain to me the logic of spending 600+ on a Glock, knowing you're gonna put an additional 500 or more into it to make it what you want and need it to be. Obviously my personal opinion, but I know it's shared with many others."
15:10 "Glocks suck, I have never regretted selling all the ones I've ever bought because they don't do anything well enough to warrant keeping them. MOS is a shit system for many reasons; for newer shooters, limp wristing tends to jam them; their mags are too thick and therefore hold way less rounds than they should; their Performance Trigger has issues; can't be field stripped without the pull of a trigger; and so on and so forth…"
love my g19. I carry and compete with it. for sure no performance to be offered by a stock glock that isn't offered by any quality pistol out there, just flat our reliable. I have switched back to my M&P2.0 for carry and matches though earlier this year.
I actually know of gen 4 glocks breaking the front of the slide where it interfaces with the recoil spring assembly, usually in .40, and probably beyond the recommended service life for that part. The same assumption would be a gen 3 cracking a slide at around 100k rounds. A lot of people still spout the "you never need to replace the recoil spring assembly and you don't need to ever service it."
5:00 Someone talking about prepping the trigger. He's definitely new to the channel...
PS. A lot of dog shooters outing themselves.
Beretta 92fs is the best gun for me I haven’t found a gun that fits my hand as well and instills the same amount of confidence.
Try a cz75spo1. Sa/da guns are awesome
Yes, my M9A3 spaghetti 🍝 blaster 🔫 is like a low recoiling laser gun.
That's surprising Ziggy.
Going from your pfp, I thought you'd be the type to prefer the "Glizzy wit dat switch and mufugn stick mag mufuggah, ya herd me?"
@@hansblitz7770 If we’re going by profile pictures you look like the type to say “hey man it’s not gay if we’re cousins.”
If you like the grip try others but add palm swell grips to most of them.
Just buy the sig, no wait Glock, no m&p, no 1911, no pdp, no 2011, F it highpoint for the win. 😂
Highpoint is the hidden gem, but it has to be 10mm
200 turf warz!
Highpoints suck dude, no offense.I wouldn't shoot one in a match and definitely wouldn't depend on one to save your life!.
@@timothygarrity5181have you ever shot one?
I actually own a gen 1 M&P9 and its great. However, it was a later model manufactured in 2013 that incorporated changes to the trigger mechanism, frame, and barrel. There still isnt enough grip texture so i put sandpaper tape on it.
An immaculate amount of fudd lore in the comments.
I'm also a fan of DA/SA guns. I'm playing with a PX4 G-SD from Langdon Tactical and even in competition, I don't notice the long heavy trigger pull. The short trigger reset is worth it to go faster when you need to, but that first shot tells you to slow down and get everything right before you squeeze that first shot.
I have a first generation M&P 9 Pro with an Apex trigger and sear, and it's great. The only other gun I have that I can shoot about as fast and as well is my new Laugo Alien.
Sure
I bought a Gen 5 G20 for my first handgun and I don't regret it 💯 Next one I would go for is a G48 for my wife, and either a G17 or G45 for me
This isn’t the channel for collectors.
@@Rubeless I wish I had the money to be a collector 😭 I'm a poor bro. They next one we are actually purchasing is a 308
I don't compete, hopefully I will soon, I've been carrying S&W 2.0 4" compact with curve trigger for 4 years now have over 12k rounds now and I'm extremely satisfied. Recoil guide rod spring did crack at about 11k, it ran just fine but i did replace before complete failure but not an issue for me. I love how it looks and feels and the finish is still holding up with about 100 draws a month from a kydex holster.
Try buying a comma
@@Rubeless 🤣,🤣
@@Rubeless😂😂there are two commas and three periods.
Own and used many, but do love my Springfield Armory MOD 2!
One of the reason for the popularity of Glock is it’s acceptance by Law Enforcement. One of the reasons LE gravitates towards Glock is the simplicity of maintenance and repair. An armorer can be trained in eight hours or less. This is especially important when dealing with large numbers of guns to detail strip and maintain yearly as is the case in many agencies.
For anyone that trains for performance/comp would regularly spend at minimum $200 a month on ammo and supplies; the price of the gun even the modifications don't even come close to making a difference. Just pick a platform that you can mount a solid grip on without hurting and practice the hell out of it
When I got into guns a few years back I got a Ruger American 9 full size and I was happy with it for years until the last year or so when I started wanting to put a red dot on or add any aftermarket parts like mag extension or trigger, literally no one makes anything for it. I'm now looking to add a new pistol that I can add things to.... looking at M&P 2.0 or Glock or Canick
What is the best pistol and why is it the HK USP9?
When you trained said military unit.., are the MK25s we can buy in the stores really the same thing as the ones they have? Do you know? Did you notice?
Would love your opinion on the OZ9, OZ9c, legion p226, p2000(or other generations of the Usp & HK in general), Cgw p01
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Real critiques & pros.
This isn’t the channel you are looking for. Try honest outlaw
Is your name Ben stoeger? Gtfoh with your negativity
@@isaudy I would be amazed if ben has ever touched a zev gun in his life
He trains & competes around the nation. I’d be shocked if he hasn’t seen one let alone shot one.
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I’ve seen a couple while competing and training. They’re basically a Glock but have extra slide rail space (more than double.)
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I’d like to build one but with all OEM internals and oem upper. My research tells me all failures on that platform stem from the ZEV upper.
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Curious about what he has to say on it.
Take another selfie
Bob Vogel would agree with this video. ☝️💯
I think it's possible I'd like the M&P 2.0 more but I shoot GSSF and that's for Glocks. When I shot USPSA I shot a Glock 34 and sometimes I'd be beat by guys shooting a CZ but it wasn't the gun - it was the shooter.
Is there a reason you still seem to use mostly Glock 34s even though they all have optics on them?
Online it seems like a lot of people are moving towards the G45/19X with optics
S&W’s M&P 2.0 line used to be really good. Bought a 4” compact one in or around 2016 (I think) when they still had a hinge trigger, it was a solid gun and I still regret selling it.
Nowadays S&W’s QC is disappointing, at best. I have enough people wanting a kydex holster for the Bodyguard 2.0 that I’m picking one up tomorrow just to press holsters on. I’ll definitely take it to the range to say I shot it, but I will honestly be surprised if it doesn’t malfunction.
I think people sleep on the USP and USP Compact because they seem to think that they're way more expensive than they really are and because they aren't optics ready unless you mill them. I personally love mine and I only carry a USP Compact now. And it was only a couple hundred more than my glocks. I do have a lot of Glocks too tho. G17, G19, G34, G43x, and a couple others. I own too many handguns right now, including the Shield Plus, Walther PDP-F 4" & PDP full size, Walther P99, couple 1911's, CZ P-01, CZ P-10F (actually really love this gun, and the P-01 as well), HK VP9, P2000, USP Compact, USP, etc.
Question for Ben - I remember you stated you started with a Beretta, then went tanfoglio (spelling?) when you were competing USPSA. I haven’t followed you enough to know but it seems there’s a lot of credence given to using one gun type for a long time to gain skills. After your USPSA departure (and in this video) did that steer you to shooting different guns (Glocks, CZ’s, staccato’s, AR’s, etc.) or did you do that before?
Second question, in kind of this same vein do you think it benefits shooters to pick a solid reputable gun and stick with that gun to nail down skills in dry fire and shooting and then after a bit of mastery has developed changing platforms less?
If your fundamentals are sound then switching platforms shouldn’t be an issue. Just my opinion
Ben doesn’t answer these questions if you haven’t already noticed.
Do your own homework, it’s the best way to learn.
@@Rubeless Brother… you’re in the comments in a video of Ben reading video comments and responding to them telling me Ben doesn’t read and respond to comments. I’m not saying he will, but… go look at his last 15 videos and ask yourself what he is often interacting with.
Which is rare.
It's funny that people are saying Glocks aren't durable, when they're arguably the most durable polymer pistol on the market besides perhaps something like the USP. There's been plenty of Glocks that have made it to 200k rounds, and I've YET to hear of any other pistol even coming close to that. I've heard of P30s making it to 90k, PX4s getting to 60k, but very few pistols make it to 200k. And 200k rounds is equal to $25,000 with the cheapest crappiest bulk ammo I can find online. Who here, (besides a few high-level competitors and guys like Ben), is going to put 200k rounds through ONE gun? I can afford 50 Glocks with how much ammo I'd have to put through one to thoroughly break it. Literally the cheapest thing in the entire equation is the pistol itself.
My buddies tease me for selecting an FN 509C, but when I saw an optic cut, modular pistol with a threaded barrel and suppressor height sights. . . for $800, and then ran the glock numbers, it was kind of a no brainer 🤷♂️
Ben…
Just get a Laugo Alien
And an SVI Infinity, because if you hate money you might as well...
Shot one a month ago. Overpriced hype piece
The price is the price. What is the definition of overpriced? 2000 sq ft in San Clemente is a tad more than 2000 sq ft in Sierra vista az.
A seiko bs a patek…
If you could afford it….
@@Rubeless Why are you always on this channel trying to defend things you have never owned. The Alien is overpriced, does not shoot any better than any other limited gun. The only reason it exists is because people tried to game the carry optics and production system which it failed at. It is legal in limited, but then you have a gun that costs as much as open gun, isnt as reliable as other 2011's, with a worse trigger and aftermarket support.
My fully cajunized CZ shadow was a third of an alien. It's carry optic, limited, and production legal depending on how i want to run it. The alien is OBJECTIVELY a worse value than most other guns. Not an opinion, its an objective fact. It's a gun that isnt legal in anything but open and limited, is as expensive as an atlas, but shoots worse than one. It was a hype piece that people who couldnt shoot used at the shot show range day and people ate that shit up. You can buy an open gun for 4500 bucks that runs circles around an alien.
Why are you
HK USP!
CZ P10c is very G19 gen 5 like but you have a better trigger, and the grip sits lower in your hand. It was also sub four hundred, so buying mags and ammo for practice is affordable. I carry a G19 gen 5 for work and the only gripe I have is the grip is slightly shorter than I would like, otherwise it is the gold standard.
The grip but not the slide. I still like it though.
Hey Ben, I've been shooting production for a few years with decent success, but yesterday I shot a match with a dot for the first time and almost won the level 2 match.
Even with zero practice I was able to shoot way better than I ever have in production.
Should I just take the leap and switch to PO?
Thank you for all the content.
I think either a Glock 19 or an SCT43SC + PSA Micro Dagger slide would be a good first gun. I like the extra concealable aspect of the slimline.
Since you shoot CZ what do you think of the p10?
I stared with a sp01 moved to the shadow2 and now i find myself using a p10f more and more. Trigger is decent and ergos are nice and after market is pretty good for it.
Can you make a video on the correct way to draw from the holster to presentation? I, and im sure many others, were taught “a” way, but I’m sure it’s not the “best” way. I don’t see much content from reliable instructors on how do draw to a perfect presentation, especially in the modern times of red dots on handguns. Thanks!
Staccato p nuff said
C2
just a little piggybacking on the 19 i live in ca and just picked one up a month after i bought a fn 57 and i honestly dont feel to much different shooting it than the 57 outside of the recoil and smaller frame i find its just as useable as a gun twice the price. not sure why i waited so long to get one im a big fan of it after shooting it for the 1st time
Do you carry a self defense handgun with you and if you do what is it and what ammo you use.
I guarantee you'll it'll be a Glock with either Gold Dots or HST's.
Why do people ask this question? He carries a hoyt compound bow with infinity broad heads.
Near the end of my time working behind a gun counter I got tired of hearing how many guns people owned. "I got maybe 60 pistols" I got around 40 guns" "Probably got 70 or 80" I started asking them which gun they shot best with. That question brought lots of puzzled looks. "What do you mean"? Well--do you actually shoot any of them? Yeah--I put a few rounds down range now and then. It was rare to meet a customer who shot competitively---or at all!
Glocks do have a low bow axis and from that should be more shootable than a lot of other polymers. I always recommend DA/SA for newbies though. Just a safer gun for untrained hands.
My choice was predicated on how well I shot my Glock 29, Gen 4, which I use for bear protection. This led me to the Glock 27, Gen 4, for lightweight hiking bear protection. Once I decided to try competition, I went with the Glock 49 MOS (w/Holosun EPS) which will also serve as home defense. Just got a 9mm conversion barrel for the 27 for practice and backup for competition. Deep concealment choice, and my favorite, is my Glock 42.
Have you worked with the SAO 226 models much?
So many good choices these days. Just pick what works for you.
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Beretta 92, SiG P226, HK USP/P30 - Three most reliable guns ever made.
Lol mk23
Agree. I’ve had all 3. 2 of the 3 (92 & P30) are still my very high use pistols.
Glock has entered the chat
My son currently works for Naval Land Warfare, they actually track reliability in man portable weapon systems. Their top five systems in terms of reliability are 1) H&K MK23 2) Glock 19 3) HK 416 4) FN 240 5) H&K USP
Bogus. No one uses the mk 23. And just because they use it means nothing. The went with the 226 because they had to be different for their fragile egos. The 226 had failures just like the m9 due to ammo.
Stop pretending
I really like the grip angle of the Milwaukee 16 ga trim nailer. It’s about 25 percent less reliable than the Dewalt in my evaluation. I’ll keep the Milwaukee because I just like to hold it and convince others to buy something less reliable and feel my pain.
How much sense does that make?
I thought Milwaukee was a good brand and dewalt was a notch above black and decker.
I have Mikita tools from a sponsor deal, I’m in no way into using them professionally.
@@Rubeless
I really did compare the two. I was also just kidding about the grip angle, I didn’t even care about that but the dewalt did work more reliably. Both are the battery powered ones. There’s other types of battery powered carpentry tools where Milwaukee is better in my opinion such as the circular saw.
Yeah I got the joke part. I use the same one when students complain about “feel”.
I haven't heard you say much about the P-10 series. Have you given these a fair shake, and what do you think of them?
It’s close to a full size, but more concealable than a 17/45, so you can conceal it as a CCW but it’s not a stupid 26.
Loved your take on the comments. Talk about a hornet’s nest of opinions…I’m still chuckling.
I feel so invested in Glock that I don’t want to really switch it up, seems like there’s better options than Glock but trying to get familiar with all my glocks and become a skilled shooter with them. Carry, home defense and comp one day
Maybe next gun would be a double stack 1911 though
What will it take to see Ben compare a P01 vs P07??
I understand the Shadow2 love and focus but I’m curious to Ben’s thoughts on CZ’s lineup
Pimping the vortex hat…nice
Glock19 with apex trigger shoe on a Glock performance trigger is the best handgun💅
HK USP with LEM trigger.
Glock be going full sig sauer on the models
I cant believe no one has brought up the HK USP.
It’s a giant gun made by a reputable high quality manufacturer.
Happy?
They arent as nice to shoot as other polymer guns. Mag price is an issue, so is aftermarket support. If you want to spend 600 bucks ontop of your USP to make it as usable as gun half the price, go for it. Awesome, reliable guns that look good. The problem is that they are kind of like Augs. You need to spend an absurd amount of money to make the gun as capable as an off the shelf AR, and itll never quite get there.
With all the experts on youtube I'll give you average dude perspective, likes to shoot steel targets or whatever, have a good time up in the mountains or the sand dunes, all that. I'm not coming from the perspective of a guy who times his splits, is video worthy, I'm just a guy who grew up in a mid sized city in the Snake River/Tetons area and guns were everywhere. Growing up we'd go shooting, never thought about trigger pull, barrel twist rate, blah blah blah. Was meant to have fun and that's still the way I look at it.
Here's my priority list that I look for in a pistol:
1. Looks pretty cool
2. Won't jam
3. Easy to maintain
4. Accurate enough not to be embarrassing
5. Under $1000 (I have expensive pistols like the Staccato and CZ Shadow and while they're f'in great, feel like I got ripped off a little because at my slightly above average skill level they're not so much greater for double or triple the price of other nice pistols)
6. Doesn't make me look like a wannabe douche.
Interesting about the M&P. I've been buying quite a few pistols past 3 years, various brands, never really considered M&P. Wasn't really on purpose just with the seemingly hundreds of good options, M&P just never really stood out to me until literally a week or so ago. I stop in at gun shops if I see one just to browse because it's fun. Retired cop I know who runs the D&B Supply gun section is fun to talk to so we were chatting. Knowing me a bit, he said I should check out this 4" steel M&P 2.0 because he knows I also like pistol/PCC combo and M&P has that relatively new foldable PCC. I've toted around a Glock 17 with the Ruger 10122 PCC for a long time when I'm in mountians or back country and don't want to have different mags and ammo. Have to say, 2.0 Metal seems really cool. Weight is good, size is good, grip felt fantastic but what surprised me the most was the trigger. I like the PDP series a lot so I wasn't prepared to be impressed but it felt clean like the Walther trigger.
Hard to find youtube reviews on the 2.0 Metal. Anyone have some insight?
Honest Outlaw reviewed the M&P metal.
@@J.Young808 Thanks.
ZEV is the only gun you need; it has modern technology advantages and lots of 1911 features; it’s well balanced, flat shooting, and accurate….. everything you need in a do it all handgun. Grip choices another big plus
3:52 WhAT? o~0
I came here from trenchgrenade's channel and he said you said canik sucks.
Who the hell is acting like Walther is just now coming on the scene? Fun fact, Walther was founded in 1886. Glock was founded in 1963. Walther has been around almost a century longer than Glock. Walther offering a RDO cut and more boxy look made the PDP and ultimately more popular. The Walther PPQ and predecessors have been amazing platforms.
I watched the other video about this topic. I didn’t comment on that, but I agree with the consensus about the Glock 19. I have run a 19 for many years. It’s as reliable as can be and it’s as accurate as I can be. I’ve taken new Glocks and torture tested them pretty hard and they keep on running. Sure there are prettier, fancier, cooler pistols but the Glock 19 has been a pretty outstanding option for me.
Question for Ben - I remember you stated you started with a Beretta, then went tanfoglio (spelling?) when you were competing USPSA. I haven’t followed you long enough to know but it seems there’s a lot of credence given to using one gun type for a long time to gain skills. After your USPSA departure (and in this video training organizations that used different guns) did that steer you to shooting different guns (Glocks, CZ’s, staccato’s, AR’s, etc.) or did you do that before?
Second question, in kind of this same vein do you think it benefits shooters to pick a solid reputable gun and stick with that gun to nail down skills in dry fire and shooting and then after a bit of mastery has developed changing platforms less? It seems like the obvious answer would be “yes”, but you never know and I was curious to confirm whether it was obvious or was there more to it?
Same answer
Ben strikes me of having a surfer's aesthetic.
mr. stoeger can we hear your opinion on 22lr lmao, its 90% of what i shoot bc im kinda poor but i love my ruger mark iv and tx22 and have 3 22lr uppers for my ar lol ive gotten really really good for cheap and it translates to my g19
The last comment is the one that gets me the most. Many have this opinion and I don’t understand it. Folks seem to have a major issue with pulling the trigger to take down guns. Not just the Glock.
The best pistol is the one you have the most consistent scoring results with.
I'm convinced some people's true lovers are their brand of firearm, and not their girlfriends/wives 😂
Would the cz shadow 2 compact replace a g19 it seems better in every category
Depends on the shooter. Is a full sized shadow 2 a better gun in your mind than a glock 34? There are pro's and cons to both. I like berettas, but most people cannot handle a non competition oriented double action pull. Are you good at a DA pull? Would you rather have consistency in your trigger pull like a glock? Its all up to you. I would carry a shadow if they had drop safeties and better manual safeties, but there are people who carry them regardless.
Plenty of striker fired, polymer guns that are reliable, walther, fn, cz, hk ive shot and owned them all the cz p10 series woeks best for me, i own the only glock i like which is the g20, the most important factor is training, train with what you like and master it
Longevity??? Hk usp.
You have a knack for stirring the pot sir, good on ya.
Sarsilmaz OUTRUNS erebody.. even g'lucks!!
Feel vindicated after Ben says nice things about my beloved M&P 2.0!
Should I get a 17 or 34 Ben?
What’s it for?
@@Rubeless competition
Isnt the best gun the one that fits you the best. And flows with you? Just have to find the right one.
as a Glock 19 owner and carrier I think the 48 is my favorite
diehard glock user here (not a fanboy), and i gotta say, i absolutely love my fn 509 and springfield echelon. i didnt want to like them, but they just run and run and run are are tack-drivers
Are there pistols that I like more then a Glock because of the trigger pull, the grip angle, feel, absolutely. Have any of them even come close to a Glock in terms of ease of maintenance or reliability not exactly. The Walther PDP is growing on me. The HK USP is a tank. I am at something like 14k rounds on a gen 5 glock 34 and have not cleaned it once and it still functions flawlessly.