After replacing the linkage and using loctite on the threads and anti seize on the shank it survived a hard session of riding without backing out or crumpling.
@@jc84com We were asked not to share too many details of the linkage because of Chinese (and other) copycats 🙂 I can respect that request. Eventually I'm sure you'll find someone that bought the wheel that can help you.
Thank you Marty, as you said the linkages were from prototype on this sample unit（only 6 to retailers）, we air expressed the hardened linkages as soon as they were completed. We were aware of this but and unfortunately manufacturing takes time, and it didnt meet our prototype delivery deadline to be able to install it. - All units shipped APEX units all have the hardened linkages. (including first batch) We look forward to more tests from Roger, Matt and yourself!
@@thatall1145 There are no "batches". Jack talked about this in his long chat with Adam (wrongway). There are only 15 employees and continuous production/assembly. When they have enough to fill an order, they ship it off.
Putting a nice high end coil shock, possibly with a progressive spring, would probably make it amazing. Also surprised there's no endstops at the end of the tubes for bottom outs so that the force doesn't end up on the linkage, or are there? An endstop can rest on the much stronger tube support, would absorb impacts better than the linkage...
You learned on the Lynx? Good for you! Dang that's a heavy wheel to learn on. Now try a Falcon! Super fun and it is much easier to learn how to go backwards and do other things that require a lighter wheel.
re high path vs low path, nice excuse Marty, but we think you were just afraid that Roger was stealing your wheel... 🤪 Nice video. Love you guys. Kudos.
When this happens and if this happens on future builds with the hardened aluminum (they should really switch to a high grade steel) I wonder what kind of impact it has on the stanchion tubes, guides and bearings. Assuming you came down hard and bent the linkage that the angular pressure would be transferred to the stanchions and potentially damage them as well?
@@AKEUC-w9l Perhaps all is not lost. I don't understand why they sent an untested product. People may suffer because they don't want to finish and test their wheel.
@@Gear-ChannelI agree with you... This is exactly what the community is also wondering. No amount of hardening will save those teeth from inevitable deterioration? Maybe they need a locking pin that takes the pressure... Regardless more time needed to be taken and they should hold back before releasing this to the general public. The worst part is they knew of this failure and possible risk and they themselves stated they didn't have time to alter it🙈
I completely agree. I'm so glad we saw the real truth about this failed wheel... Dodged a bullet with nosfet defeat... Can't wait for What's next to fail😂
I'm a betting man care to wager on this😂 I suspect multiple fails warranty issues and 'possible' injuries from this wheel. I will not be a Guinea pig on this neither should the community. I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but this is intolerable behaviour. Not even an apology to you... What's going to fail next? The pedals?
@@roghajwowza straight down with the dollars🫶 to be honest I wouldn't want to bet against you Mr roger you're a seasoned vet😅👌so il graciously back down for now😊... Although... Would 2 podiums be possible with riders on lynx commander griffin, xway, blitz, masters.... Do you really think this nosfet can beat these?... We need to see Zack and possibly Sho Scott verdicts
I think that all these ideas with linkage suspensions, especially as complex as on video are just not good enough for hard riding. Adding more pieces, weight, price with minimal profit. Our wheel is pretty much the same as bicycle/motorcycle front wheel. Do they invented smth overall better than regular fork? No. Even though it has bunch of cons, it's still the best solution. Relatively cheap, light, easy to maintain, robust, nice working... So I think Veteran made a right decision to not invent the bicycle and just use polished solution. I mean, the experiments are good, but I don't feel like suspension is the main bottleneck in a wheels now...
It says the range is 50miles... if you are only going like 20-25mph, I bet it would be much longer. I am very curious on the mileage of these new wheels at lower speeds like this. This is what I like to ride at but it's always great having that power reserve if ever needed.
Thank you marty for being truthful in your video highlighting this failure and showing the truth about this failed 1st attempt... Luckily and thankfully never injured anyone... Sounds like a kingsong derived convoluted failed s22 suspension manufacture process... Can they recover from this? What will fail next?😢
@ElectricUnicycles yes maybe youre right and you're honestly being maybe too kind😅 but it is the hard truth and not a good start, nor a good approach. New euc company using the community as Test guinea pigs with not even an apology to you for a potential injury🤕. Can you imagine the frustration of a customer with no voice that purchases this and having the grief of them having to fix the issue. luckily you have helpful retailers but no one wants to pay excessively and then have to deal with immediate warranty failures... I appreciate you lot tested the linkage rigourously. However, this is a hard lesson to be learnt that should've been tackled on quality checking prior to being released. Also embarrassing to leaperkim using their name. Unfortunately nice idea but failed and my fear is what next😕? Apologies to nosfet for the necessary rant hopefully they learn from this and strive for better.
Permatex Orange - rated 3x the vibration resistance of blue but I don't think Loctite has an Orange, they're teh same price anyhow and so far Orange has been working like a champ for me on camera mount threads as well as threads on my micromobility devices.
Well, it is obvious that people lost the initial purpose of EUC... I really feel sorry for that. The EUC is not a dirt bike, or race motorcycle, it wasn't created to beat the mountain bicycle in off-road performance... EUC is originally built to be lightweight, compact form of transportation in the city, to replace electric scooter and ordinary city bicycle, so people could easily go to grocery store, or office in the neighborhood, for relaxing evening, or morning ride in the park, while eating ice cream, or holding hands with your loved ones. But today it is all gone wrong thanks to our American friends, who paid the most money to China and asked for speeeed and poweeer... Like it is not EUC we're talking about, but typical American pickup truck, or SUV... Yeah, put the HEMI V8 in that thing, we need more torque and horse power to compensate something small... Now the entire industry produces only monsters that are basically useless toys for the weekend rides for "fun". I honestly don't get it - if you want suspension, seat, fast speed - why wouldn't you jyst get yourself a motorcycle?! If you want to feel the real off-road on your body - than why you buy suspension wheel, get non suspension version and you'll feel every dent and rock you get on... If you want comfort - stay on the asphalt. I miss those years of REASON that we used to have before, riding really good wheels like KS18XL and so on... Not the "half motorcycle" that people use today, while riding seated.🙈
I would say that the market has spoken. If most people felt as you do then the big powerful EUC's would not be made because people would not be buying them. Supply and demand. Fortunately for people such as yourself, you can still buy the smaller wheels such as the V12, etc. Seems to me that everyone can be happy. I'm happy for you that there are still small wheel options and you should be happy for me that I can buy my monster wheels. Thanks for the comment 👍
After replacing the linkage and using loctite on the threads and anti seize on the shank it survived a hard session of riding without backing out or crumpling.
Fantastic - great to hear
@trubttam Did you take lots of photos of the linkage and setup?
I live for linkages and CAD.
please share kind sir.
@@jc84com We were asked not to share too many details of the linkage because of Chinese (and other) copycats 🙂 I can respect that request. Eventually I'm sure you'll find someone that bought the wheel that can help you.
Super fast feedback , nice
@@Lowlandeuc My first video with the wheel will be up in a few short hours 👍
Thank you Marty, as you said the linkages were from prototype on this sample unit（only 6 to retailers）, we air expressed the hardened linkages as soon as they were completed.
We were aware of this but and unfortunately manufacturing takes time, and it didnt meet our prototype delivery deadline to be able to install it.
- All units shipped APEX units all have the hardened linkages. (including first batch)
We look forward to more tests from Roger, Matt and yourself!
Will there be a batch 2 version of this wheel in the future just asking.
@@thatall1145 There are no "batches". Jack talked about this in his long chat with Adam (wrongway). There are only 15 employees and continuous production/assembly. When they have enough to fill an order, they ship it off.
Is this hardened part permanent? Or can I define it as a consumable part?
Personally I think an apology is also necessary together with your thank you, to Mr Marty and Mr roger for this failure.
Marty might be about 64 years old but damn he is an inspiration to all of us senior citizen men! Keep going Marty you’re a rockstar.
Aaron taught me to ride!! Glad to see him in the line up
Putting a nice high end coil shock, possibly with a progressive spring, would probably make it amazing. Also surprised there's no endstops at the end of the tubes for bottom outs so that the force doesn't end up on the linkage, or are there? An endstop can rest on the much stronger tube support, would absorb impacts better than the linkage...
There are large o-rings at the ends of the stanchions
I think this wheel might have too many moving parts that can break. It looks amazing but I'll definitely stick to my Lynx.
The beginning and end of nosfet😂😂😂
Been waiting for this video to drop!
I learned on the lynx 6 months ago, i was watching all your videos and i was waiting for the APEX, THANK YOU FOR SHARING
You learned on the Lynx? Good for you! Dang that's a heavy wheel to learn on. Now try a Falcon! Super fun and it is much easier to learn how to go backwards and do other things that require a lighter wheel.
re high path vs low path, nice excuse Marty, but we think you were just afraid that Roger was stealing your wheel...
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Nice video. Love you guys. Kudos.
Wow, Marty, this was amazing off-road footage. Great angles, lighting, and proper cue finds
When this happens and if this happens on future builds with the hardened aluminum (they should really switch to a high grade steel) I wonder what kind of impact it has on the stanchion tubes, guides and bearings. Assuming you came down hard and bent the linkage that the angular pressure would be transferred to the stanchions and potentially damage them as well?
Looks fantastic. The Apex, Sherman L and F22pro look like wheels designed for many years of production.
You think F-22 will sell any at all? Its a 10kg heavier lynx, with probably bad electric components
There goes Roger breaking shit again.... LOL!
Very nice camera angle at the desk, it has a very 90s home video flair with the lighting. Film it in 4:3 for added effect haha
Great video. But something tells me that even from another metal, these Gears will not last long. But the idea was very interesting.
What a kind way of saying the nosfet failed😬😶🌫️😂😂 let's hope no further issues.... Nosfet has a lot to make up for from this
@@AKEUC-w9l Perhaps all is not lost. I don't understand why they sent an untested product. People may suffer because they don't want to finish and test their wheel.
@@Gear-ChannelI agree with you... This is exactly what the community is also wondering. No amount of hardening will save those teeth from inevitable deterioration? Maybe they need a locking pin that takes the pressure... Regardless more time needed to be taken and they should hold back before releasing this to the general public. The worst part is they knew of this failure and possible risk and they themselves stated they didn't have time to alter it🙈
I've been waiting for this euc. These videos are really helping me decide what to get. Keep them coming !
I completely agree. I'm so glad we saw the real truth about this failed wheel... Dodged a bullet with nosfet defeat... Can't wait for What's next to fail😂
I still think this wheel is going to be getting its fair share of podiums.
as long as it ain’t already naked from start ❤to finish
I'm a betting man care to wager on this😂 I suspect multiple fails warranty issues and 'possible' injuries from this wheel. I will not be a Guinea pig on this neither should the community.
I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but this is intolerable behaviour. Not even an apology to you... What's going to fail next? The pedals?
@@AKEUC-w9l Sure. I'll take that bet. Shredfest, NW Electric Fest, Amped, Wheel Life Rally. 2 Nosfet wheels total on the podium in these races? $300?
@@roghajwowza straight down with the dollars🫶 to be honest I wouldn't want to bet against you Mr roger you're a seasoned vet😅👌so il graciously back down for now😊...
Although... Would 2 podiums be possible with riders on lynx commander griffin, xway, blitz, masters.... Do you really think this nosfet can beat these?... We need to see Zack and possibly Sho Scott verdicts
I think that all these ideas with linkage suspensions, especially as complex as on video are just not good enough for hard riding. Adding more pieces, weight, price with minimal profit. Our wheel is pretty much the same as bicycle/motorcycle front wheel. Do they invented smth overall better than regular fork? No. Even though it has bunch of cons, it's still the best solution. Relatively cheap, light, easy to maintain, robust, nice working... So I think Veteran made a right decision to not invent the bicycle and just use polished solution.
I mean, the experiments are good, but I don't feel like suspension is the main bottleneck in a wheels now...
Awsome video mate.
Roger vs Apex
Apex got Roger in round #1
Roger came back though in round #2 with vengeance 😂
It says the range is 50miles... if you are only going like 20-25mph, I bet it would be much longer. I am very curious on the mileage of these new wheels at lower speeds like this. This is what I like to ride at but it's always great having that power reserve if ever needed.
Just like the lynx. The specs are the same.
@naqibchowdhury8495 I really like the pedal height adjustment feature.
Great video very insightful.
Hi! Can you give us a link to your gloves?
They are from E-Rides
I'm enthusiastic that the APEX production linkage will be fine, but I wonder if there's a Vince Ramirez version in our future.😊
Well, that's why you give it to riders to test
Nice video!
Thank you marty for being truthful in your video highlighting this failure and showing the truth about this failed 1st attempt... Luckily and thankfully never injured anyone... Sounds like a kingsong derived convoluted failed s22 suspension manufacture process...
Can they recover from this? What will fail next?😢
I think that's a rather severe conclusion :-) With the production linkage it appears to be performing fantastically, at the moment.
@ElectricUnicycles yes maybe youre right and you're honestly being maybe too kind😅 but it is the hard truth and not a good start, nor a good approach. New euc company using the community as Test guinea pigs with not even an apology to you for a potential injury🤕. Can you imagine the frustration of a customer with no voice that purchases this and having the grief of them having to fix the issue. luckily you have helpful retailers but no one wants to pay excessively and then have to deal with immediate warranty failures... I appreciate you lot tested the linkage rigourously. However, this is a hard lesson to be learnt that should've been tackled on quality checking prior to being released. Also embarrassing to leaperkim using their name. Unfortunately nice idea but failed and my fear is what next😕? Apologies to nosfet for the necessary rant hopefully they learn from this and strive for better.
LFG! 🤙😁
New Wheel new Problems 😂
Hey Marty have you upgraded your camera lately? What are you using now for these vids?
GoPro 9
loving this, why did I join this hobby 😅
At least nobody broke their teeth 😁
Permatex Orange - rated 3x the vibration resistance of blue but I don't think Loctite has an Orange, they're teh same price anyhow and so far Orange has been working like a champ for me on camera mount threads as well as threads on my micromobility devices.
Less is more, Let's keep these simple and reliable
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The first hillclimb i was waiting for that Karan to come yell at y’all again 😅
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튼튼하게 나왔으면 좋겠다
Smells like s22 too much. Cool concept for the future though
Well, it is obvious that people lost the initial purpose of EUC...
I really feel sorry for that.
The EUC is not a dirt bike, or race motorcycle, it wasn't created to beat the mountain bicycle in off-road performance...
EUC is originally built to be lightweight, compact form of transportation in the city, to replace electric scooter and ordinary city bicycle, so people could easily go to grocery store, or office in the neighborhood, for relaxing evening, or morning ride in the park, while eating ice cream, or holding hands with your loved ones.
But today it is all gone wrong thanks to our American friends, who paid the most money to China and asked for speeeed and poweeer... Like it is not EUC we're talking about, but typical American pickup truck, or SUV... Yeah, put the HEMI V8 in that thing, we need more torque and horse power to compensate something small...
Now the entire industry produces only monsters that are basically useless toys for the weekend rides for "fun".
I honestly don't get it - if you want suspension, seat, fast speed - why wouldn't you jyst get yourself a motorcycle?!
If you want to feel the real off-road on your body - than why you buy suspension wheel, get non suspension version and you'll feel every dent and rock you get on... If you want comfort - stay on the asphalt.
I miss those years of REASON that we used to have before, riding really good wheels like KS18XL and so on...
Not the "half motorcycle" that people use today, while riding seated.🙈
I would say that the market has spoken. If most people felt as you do then the big powerful EUC's would not be made because people would not be buying them. Supply and demand. Fortunately for people such as yourself, you can still buy the smaller wheels such as the V12, etc. Seems to me that everyone can be happy. I'm happy for you that there are still small wheel options and you should be happy for me that I can buy my monster wheels. Thanks for the comment 👍
Min 8:10 😂 I got you @roghaj 🤜🤛