The Fundamental Intentions of Neutral

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ธ.ค. 2024

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  • @dudutsai
    @dudutsai 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    I've definitely played 1 IQ Melee before. Big fan!!

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      u beat me in 1 iq melee with big sword guy

  • @hollaa
    @hollaa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    im a big fan of the hold forward part

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      im a big fan of holla

    • @hollaa
      @hollaa 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DarwinDing :ooooo

  • @KnishG
    @KnishG 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This is such a creative way to describe neutral. Really great points about how whiff punish shines above the other options. Keep it coming these videos are amazing.

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      appreciate it :)

    • @Stupidiusity
      @Stupidiusity 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's important to precise here that whiff punishing outshines the other options in the specific context of 2 IQ Melee. In the real Melee, whiff punishing is actually the lesser option most of the time, and for most of the cast. Marth, Sheik and Jigglypuff are somewhat exceptions to this rule, but because there are so many possible spacings for every move, looks can be extremely deceiving when it comes to having time to punish our opponent's whiffed attacks. More often than not, we end up getting clipped, or grabbed, or we hit a shield and then look silly. All because our opponent intended it so. Attacking in proactive and preemptive ways, as well as taking space both aggressively and defensively, are all better options around which to build a gameplan in the context of Melee.

  • @GimR
    @GimR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    great video!

  • @Patrick-bn5rp
    @Patrick-bn5rp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    "It doesn't help that there's 26 different characters with different movesets"
    Me, an Ultimate player:
    (*Sweats profusely*)

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      oh man i cannot even begin to fathom what that must be like hahaha

    • @actuallynotsteve
      @actuallynotsteve 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DarwinDing It's amazing, Ultimate is just nuts. There are something like 3500 unique 1 v 1 matchups, maybe more now that there's DLC. Almost no 2 characters play alike either, at least IMHO...Fox and Falco are similar, and the FE echoes are obviously similar, but there's just no way to remember every matchup.
      Every single tournament you'll see matchups that you've never seen before at the high level.

    • @pranavjulakanti7027
      @pranavjulakanti7027 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@actuallynotsteve that's great for a spectator but a nightmare for a competitor haha

    • @KIRB881
      @KIRB881 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's why I swapped to 64 and melee

  • @ccw8aminute
    @ccw8aminute 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    glad i was randomly up at 5:30 am to see this

  • @SSB_Seal
    @SSB_Seal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Wait, I have actually played 2 IQ Melee before. It’s the exact same thing as a Melee minigame some people call “Bowser Tilt”, which is where you play Super Sudden Death Bowser dittos on FD and you can only walk/dash and ftilt. I think it’s even more fun than with Fox because everything is slightly more reactable.
    Also great video as usual, very cool to see an analysis on neutral because I think it is way, way less understood by the average Melee player than punish and defensive game, where there are a lot more “true answers”.

  • @zachcarter7022
    @zachcarter7022 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is fantastic work keep it up bro

  • @FDGL
    @FDGL 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this was super helpful to understand neutral in melee! thank you very much for this video.

  • @Amaling
    @Amaling 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My first answer to the 2IQ melee flowchart kid was to preemptively hit them before they arrive into “within range” rather than dash back. Idk what this says about me as a player, but it does indeed also best the flowchart, as discussed later

  • @hundrds1283
    @hundrds1283 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just watched this during Rollback Rumble fantastic video thank you

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      hype thank you :))

  • @shadowninja433
    @shadowninja433 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I feel like there is another massive level to the game that is pure, unexplored execution, specifically, ' missed execution options ' and punishes.

  • @taciprince7400
    @taciprince7400 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just starting out. I’m pretty casual with just some experience against friends so it was nice to have a concise breakdown of this

  • @vietchuxuan8789
    @vietchuxuan8789 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Unironically an amazing video. Thanks a lot!

  • @joshcummins3916
    @joshcummins3916 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man when you explain it at a simple level it makes way more sense. I need to focus on the big picture instead of trying flowchart moves.

  • @DrewZGmusic
    @DrewZGmusic 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the most informative video on neutral I've ever seen, hell yeah

  • @cyfer115
    @cyfer115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “Yes I did mess this up twice”
    LOL

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i had been planning on rerecording that part and then it got so late i was like eh fuck it captions are fine LOL
      im glad you got a kick out of it

  • @nilpholan
    @nilpholan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good stuff yo!

  • @megahertz23
    @megahertz23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super insightful video

  • @WindaMaplerDivineKYO
    @WindaMaplerDivineKYO 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i like shielding

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ur character shields twice it is OP

  • @user3lskq3
    @user3lskq3 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i love simplification brain scenarios to understand parts of a game

  • @Prbasss
    @Prbasss 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    great video dude

  • @connorkillmice
    @connorkillmice ปีที่แล้ว

    i wish i watched this 10 years ago

  • @skiptts
    @skiptts 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Waiiiiiiit why the turnip go through the stage ? 7:48

  • @lokemer1093
    @lokemer1093 ปีที่แล้ว

    So good. i love melee

  • @maxono1465
    @maxono1465 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    sick video

  • @TetraBui
    @TetraBui ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Instead of using 2 IQ melee, we could use the game Footsies, which entire point of the game is to teach this.

  • @puppystylexd
    @puppystylexd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ANOTHER VIDEO FOR THE AGES KEEP IT GOING LIVE YOUR BEST LIFE EXPAND THAT IQ

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  • @brushycat
    @brushycat 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i wish this existed when i started playing fighters lol

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      u didnt need it to beat gootecks tho

    • @brushycat
      @brushycat 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DarwinDing tuh ROOOOO

  • @PierreLuk
    @PierreLuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, you could make a video in the same style as rishi's video about decision making in smash. I think it would help new players tremendously

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      oh man i forgot about that video, will have to rewatch but that's a cool idea -- you thinkin something about the meta of how people make decisions in-game or something?

    • @PierreLuk
      @PierreLuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DarwinDing yeah exactly

  • @JManthegamerdude
    @JManthegamerdude ปีที่แล้ว

    Okay that's the last straw. Take mein sub.

  • @frebo2541
    @frebo2541 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shouldn't baiting also be discussed as a tool of 2 IQ melee?

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      haha in some ways i would say whiff punishing is probably the only way you can realistically bait in 2 IQ melee, given that attacking is death, but i could have called that out more explicitly! honestly there is so much depth to even this barebones neutral thing that i had to cut out a lot so that this didnt become really tedious to watch

  • @zorfrak
    @zorfrak 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    2 iq melee bracket when?

    • @DarwinDing
      @DarwinDing  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      needa code it rq

  • @jessewatters6099
    @jessewatters6099 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you eyes always that Asian or did it being 5:30 and you being super tired make them look more Asian than usual?!

  • @taylorbee4010
    @taylorbee4010 ปีที่แล้ว

    Calling smash bros a fighting game, actually explaining neutral
    And linking it to other actual fighting games. You madman! You’ll have both communities after you! You can’t tell them the TRUTH!!!