Fun Fact: The ENTIRE cast at the time gathered around that open field to watch the Rick-Shane scene because they knew what would go down and wanted to see with their own eyes.
By the way, if you want to talk about shane's leadership when he led the group, you can go to the first episodes. You will see that he only cared about Lori and Carl. He told Andrea's sister openly that she can forget Andrea, that he will not risk anything for her. Oh and remember how he cared for Lori by trying to rape her in the end of season 1? He also did nothing when Rick was fighting enemies. He just fooled Lori to make her come back to the farm. That's all. He was never a leader.
@@linaskranauskas I'm sooooooo glad you brought that up about what Shane said to Amy. Shane would have left Andrea, Glen, and all of them in Atlanta just for Lori and Carl to be safe. It's all about Shane's feelings and no one else.
The reason Shane decided to kill Rick now is because of what Lori just said to him. In her mind she was trying to make peace with him and thank him... wanting no hard feelings. Shane heard her words as ... 'If Rick wasn't here we would be together.' Shane was NOT a good leader because all he cared about was Lori, Carl and himself.... a good leader needs to care about the WHOLE group because it is the WHOLE group that makes surviving possible.
@@IncognitoJohnDoe If Shane was leading a dog or just Lori and Carl then none of them would survive for long. They need the group, anyone in this situation needs a group to survive long term. This was Shane's mistake, if he cared about the whole group the way he did for Lori and Carl then YES, he would be a good leader.
@IncognitoJohnDoe Lmao Shane leadership had them ass out in the woods to be eaten by walkers, then his next idea was to got to Fort Benning which was overrun by walkers pretty quickly. How could he possibly be a good leader when he keeps leaving people behind that aren't Lori.
Even in the beginning, Shane pulled a gun on Rick. It's nothing new that Shane wanted Rick away from Lori and Carl, he wanted his family, he betrayed his best friend, and he deserved the death he got. And Rick crying and saying ''That was you, not me.'' What a performance.
Reasonable interpretation, Shane wasn't going to shoot the first time, and the 2nd time too, it's already more than interpreted that Shane just wanted to force Rick to evolve by force, he knew he was out of place, that Rick wouldn't be able to move forward just by making good decisions, Shane was necessary, he forced Rick to become a man. A character better written than any other in the series, and better acted too.
Was waiting to see AJs response to Shanes death. Can't believe he thought that was out of character. That was exactly who Shane has been since day 1. And that was how he went out in the comic. Shot trying to kill Rick so he can have Lori. Shane was not a good leader...he repeatedly said he only cared about Lori and Carl. He would 100% sacrifice anyone to save those 2. Rick does what he can for the whole group.
How is this who he's been since day 1? What obligation does he have to a whole group. He already did more than enough by having that camp and looking for their safety but they knew the city was a risk going in and out of and Glenn even said the first time they go as a group is when it fucks up. I think being the only one who realises what needs to be done, constantly being given mixed signals by someone you loved and repeatedly told that you're in the wrong and your just crazy when you end up being proven right is what drove him further down the road. People want to act like Shane from the start was this bloodthirsty tyrant who wanted to boss a group around. He found some sort of peace in family with Lori and Carl and it came crashing down to reality when Rick showed up. He tried to talk about it to get over it and was shut down and treated like he was some malicious liar who only tried to get into Loris pants. Then at the end of it Lori finally admits she owes him a lot after constantly flipping from on and off with him. He was pushed to the edge and of course he did unforgivable things but he was also right a lot of the time and was the only one of the group who knew what needed to be done before Rick finally caught up and realised the world they lived in. Anybody who says Shane is wrong is then admitting anything done in the later seasons is also wrong. So what should the group do? Just lay down and let people like the Governor and Negan use them and kill them. Or protect themselves? This isn't the same world, as much as Dale wants to argue against it the world is all about survival of the fittest.
If you pay attention to his verbiage in that scene Shane clearly just wanted to die at this point and baited Rick into killing him Jon Bernthal even wanted a reveal that Shane’s gun was empty the whole time.
I agree. Especially when he was taunting him saying “I’m a better father than you Rick” even his tone seemed calculated in a mocking way to get him to kill him.
idk man even if writers said it i only believe if shane leads the group would be like evil savage alternate version because of how shane influenced them something
shane was has a potential good leader something seeing how he kept the group alive when rick was still in the hospital when the outbrake has just begun
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“How did they not see those guys(assuming you mean the walkers)?” The answer would be it’s dark and Rick, Carl, and Shane were kind of preoccupied with the whole situation going on to really observe.
I’ve gone back and watched the walking dead from start to finish a few times, and I consistently come to the opinion that the conversation with Lori is a huge factor why this happened. It wasn’t the direct cause but giving him hope, the feeling that she did have love or feelings for him was what sent him over the edge.
Although i did not like shane and his way of thinking... we cannot deny that shane was an entertaining charcater John Bernthal did an amazing job as Shane
Shane's death is tragic in a way.. it feels like a brother killing a brother. I'm not per se on the hate train when it comes to Shane, as you guys also mentioined he just burned through and snapped, this world brought out the worst in him and Lori unintentionally gave him the final push. But he still tried to kill Rick in cold blood and that's also a fact so Rick had no other choice than killing him in self defense.. as Shane has said himself there would've been no coming back from this. btw I always love your little after discussions ! Can't say it enough but this will be such a great ride with the three of you. You guys have the perfect dynamic
During the last verbal exchange when Shane kept taunting Rick, supposedly Jon Bernthal wanted it to seem like he was pushing Rick further and further until he had no choice but to kill him, to finally push him over the line and realize he has to do certain things to not end up in situations like this one. Which means he was trying to get Rick to stop taking half measures. He asked the studio to do a reveal that the gun he had pointed at Rick was empty the whole time after he died which could suggest Jon knew more about the character than we got the chance to. The way the studio did it leaves it open to interpretation rather than something solid people just accept.
This show changes tones every 2 seasons. Seasons 1-2 have a very particular tone that dies with Shane. And Seasons 3-4 will FEEL different. Then 5-6 will feel different. Then 7-8, 9-10, and then 11 is also different. Some people prefer some over others but I love them all the same.
shane wanted to kill rick but when they got out to the field he realized he couldn’t and he made a mistake so he kept trying to make rick mad and push him further bc shane realized what he’s become and he didn’t wanna live that life anymore
@@HiImVee i jus thought that bc of when he said u have no idea of what i can live wit and earlier in the episode he saw rick was starting to favor daryl more so he felt more of an outcast
I kinda agree but at the same time maybe he expected Rick to just hurt him so he’ll have a reason to kill him and make it look like an accident. Both can be true.
Yeah I agree looked like rick talked sense into shane before he stabbed him which is sad because I think shane could of redeemed himself later in the show
Still to this day both Dale’s death and Shane’s death were the first character deaths to hit me hard Dale being the voice of reason and the moral compass in the group and all about having humanity is what’s right for us as human beings one of my favourites and Shane Rick’s best friend and right hand man until Daryl stepped up when he had to put down Dale Shane was another one of my favourites yeah I understand why Shane had to die was never suppose to happen but he had to I can tell that deep down Rick didn’t wanna kill his best friend but he had to Shane lost his mind there was no way out of that I just wish that they coulda worked things out and made up but sadly Rick killing Shane had to happen I’m sure this is gonna have a big impact on the group especially Rick because deep down he cared for him to this day I still miss Dale and Shane.
You man clearly missed the fact that Lori triggered Shane's actions with that little conversation she had with him. She gave him hope masked as an apology. Shane was starting to move on before that.
Saying Shane is more of a father figure than Rick was so gross. Lmao and to find out in the next scene that Shane only told Rick to talk to Carl so he could kill Randall hopefully woke y'all up. Shane weaponized Carl against Rick... yeah what a father figure.
Nahhhh lmao y’all both delusional. Shane only cares about control and what he wants. He’d kill to get it . Even innocent ppl. A real leader would find a better way then to just throw temper tantrums like Shame does anytime he gets upsetti spaghetti 😞😞🤣
Considering the person who CREATED Shane has already said that everyone would've died if Shane had stayed/been the leader, I'm gonna go with nope, you're a dumbass my guy
Comic spoiler: Shane died wayy earlier in the comics. Never made it past the first camp, Carl killed human Shane in the comics, Rick killed Walker Shane
Not really a spoiler, but don't read if you don't want to know anything for later: Even though Shane had to go the way he did, I still would have loved to have seen (if he had just been exiled or left or something), Shane confronting a later Rick. Epicness.
This changes everything indeed. This show is gonna be very different now that Shane is gone. But he still holds a presence in the show all the way through the end.
Lori's talk with Shane gave him that little bit of hope and he knew he had to get rid of Rick to have her. It's her fault. And I agree 100% about Otis. That changed him.
I didn’t realize that Shane was being force choked by lori to kill her own husband???? What part of the episode is that?? Shane got his own homely ass killed 🤣 delulu
Shane was quite literally the opposite of ‘sane’. First season as soon as Rick gets back he’s thinking of killing him (when he points his gun at rick in the forest). Shane was not a good leader, and he did not ‘adapt’. He was just an insane obsessive psychopath
I can't wait for the next reactions coming. I do have a to say but this was coming . There was so many signs . It was not going to work because it was All about having Rick's life . Shane was all about Lori . He left the group in beginning for dead . Glen saved Rick and he saved all of them . Rick went back for Merle . Lori should have not had that talk with Shane because it was already tense . Rick decided to have Daryl do the things with him . Rick was starting to see the writing on the wall . He tried every way with Shane , gave every chance. Can't wait for the next episodes. You guys reactions!!
Shane went over the deep end. That’s what happened and he’s had it in him since season 1 you even saw it with Carols husband. Sure what that guy was doing was bad but Shane’s solution was to beat the guy half to death. Shane’s idea of solving problems is killing and violence always has been it makes total sense for him to want to kill Rick
"I will not stop next time, you hear me?! I'll beatya dead Ed..." Yeah people always make this point. While also saying he didn't care about anyone except Lori and Carl. Yet he taught this wife beater/child toucher a lesson. He probably SHOULD have killed him. What else would you do with this type of guy post apocalypse?
Shane been wanted Rick life since the first episode. Go back and watch. He always seem jealous of Rick. Also, Shane definitely had Rick in his scope a couple episodes ago.
Shane tried to kill Rick 3 times total but Rick loved Shane so much that he forgave him to have slept with his wife. If this is not love, I don’t know what it is. He would have never killed Shane. Shane wanted to be Rick I am sure even before the apocalypse. It was some kind of toxic friendship. I loved Shane though, he brought the drama. I also love the fact that Daryl was the first to call BS on Shane’s story about the prisoner escaping. Once again, Rick believed it right away because of his brotherhood with Shane.
@@soggynugz Fair enough. I think it was the writers intention to make that scene emotional though. Don't normally play sad music when you kill a cut and dry villain.
AJ saying Why, what was the reason for that; Lori. Lori was the reason for that. Cause at the tower when she said," Whatever we thought that was, AND NOT JUST YOU," That was it. She let him know that she DID have feelings for him too and also, that it might be his baby. Every bit of this shht is on her.
shane is by far the most fit person to be a leader he wants to protect carl and lori so much he wouldn’t put them in harms way and he would fix the problem right away because he knows how the world is he evolved to fast
Shanes not a good leader. He's a good survivor - in a sense that he can turn the switch off and do the hard choices. But he's selfish and he only cares about people he 'loves' (can get something out of) or people that are a resource. Rick cares about more than just his family.
AJ legit worries me defending a guy like Shane. 😅 My guess is his top people will be: The Governor Alpha Simon The entire population and philosophy of Terminus. Negan probably too level headed for him.
Bro the guy on the left simply just doesn’t understand good writing. Shane literally pointed a shotgun at rick got drunk and touched his wife. Like how is this out of character 😂. Cmon now son Shane was a bad guy simple.
@14:00 ill tell you the reason... lori.. like i said a couple episodes back she stay doing this push pull thing with him. Granted shane is gone hes lost mentally. Point is Lori is inconsistent.
This is a year late but I’m just watching now. Shane had to be written off because he signed for another show, not thinking this one would not still be running.
@@Cortez6605 No lol. The time spent on Shane shooting, fighting and taking that bag off Otis was enough for them to both escape. People like you are disgusting
wait am i tripping or is that AJ in the ”6 tall people vs 1 secret short person” video by beta squad? yall got the same name and look very similar but i’m still not sure
gotta pay attention to all the clues when it comes to storytelling. this show constantly let us know that not only was shane a shit leader, but he was a shit person. first time we see shane, he is literally refusing to help andrea, tdogg, morales, glenn and meryl when they are trapped by walkers from ricks gun shots. when rick meets the camp and realizes meryl is still trapped on the roof, rick volunteers to go back to help the very man he handcuffed. shane refuses to help and advises none of them go to help meryl. shane was trash from the very start. he also didnt give a shit about finding sophia.
He didn't care about finding Sophia after day 1 because as an ex cop he knew statistically children were not found after that amount of time or something like that. So why use the resources and put life's in danger looking for days on end?
@@trevor5071 lol. So what would you do if you lost your child and your so called best friend used statistics as a reason to stop searching after 24 hours? Would you just be ok with that? What normal person would just be fine with not searching for their child due to statistics? I just named like six people he was ready to abandon without thought, and you try to justify that "statistically" abandoning the little girl makes sense? Stop it. Just stop
@@saeres9288 he was literally proven right, she was in the barn the whole time and Daryl almost died looking for her. Plus more. People get so emotional and hate on Shane when the writing itself proves he was right about just about everything. He just was losing his mind in the process
If we’re being truthful here then I’d say that Rick done nothing wrong he was right Shane did this to them and Lori not Rick! Rick is completely in the right here it’s all down to Shane and Lori I’d say more so Shane though as he kept getting to Rick on purpose.
Shane uses Lori and Carl to manipulate Rick so things will go his way, plain and simple. Shane knows good and well that prisoner doesn't mean more to Rick than Carl does. Rick knows he screwed up bringing Randall to the farm and getting him away from the farm asap keeps them all safe, including Carl. As for Lori, she pushes Shane away, reminds him that she and Carl aren't his family, then goes to him and tells him to stay, then has the talk with him at the windmill. She keeps yanking his chain and giving him a tiny glimmer of hope. I feel like she realizes any of them could go at any time so she's making sure she's got a man to take care of her either way. I think Shane gave Rick one more chance to do things his way (Randall). Rick didn't so as usual, Shane went off half-cocked and handled it his way. It's easy to say Shane was a decent leader at the quarry. Up until the walkers attacked the camp there were no tough decisions to be made. Rick showed up and everyone gravitated to him, that's what pissed Shane off. He wanted to be in charge and everyone was suddenly looking to Rick. The difference between the two is that Shane demands respect, while Rick quietly commands respect and gets it. In all the 13 years I've watched this show and followed reactors, I've never seen anybody try so hard to defend Shane and make him the good guy. 😂
Shane has a pretty big cult following so I find it hard to believe when you say you're shocked when people see him more good than bad. I thought he was right about everything except the lori obsession
@@lukefury8162 I didn't completely hate him, he had his moments. Andrea said it best when she told him it was his delivery that could use a little work. The walkers in the barn could've waited. They weren't a safety issue until they found out they were there, for example. He wanted to make the calls and resented it when everyone looked to Rick. The Otis thing changed him (as it would anyone) but I think some of those traits were already there, he just kept them in check. It's for sure he wanted what Rick had when it came to Lori and Carl. I wasn't sorry to see him go cause at the end he was causing more problems than anything.
@@sunnygrl027 I agree with mostly what you said except with killing him off would of been interesting to see him leave the group then return later in the show, always felt like bit of a waste killing him off so early in the show
@@lukefury8162 That I will agree with. I would've loved to have seen him pop up later on. With the way he was losing it, it would've been interesting to see him come back as a villian.
Just so you know, a red border on vids makes it difficult to see the red 'watched' bar that would show up as an indicator. You make great content, would humbly suggest you alter this.
Little Comic Comparison here Carl shooting Shane zombified was a similarity to the comic because in the comics Shane was already dead by this point in the comics Shane is killed pretty quickly just before they left the Atlanta camp Shane tries to kill Rick but then Carl shoots Shane dead alive saving Rick it’s great that TV Shane outlived his comic counterpart but it’s sad that we lost a great character I thought Jon Bernthal did a great job playing the role as Shane the actor went on to do different things I followed the actor after he was killed off here he went on to be in great movies and I loved him as Frank Castle/The Punisher in Marvel’s Netflix shows Daredevil Season 2 and The Punisher He mighta been an asshole at the end but deep down he’s still a human being that cared about Rick and the group i still miss Shane.
You guys are awesome. Interesting and a fun watch! as I did when I watching this show week to week, I must give me peice and DEFEND SHANE with a mighty passion 😆 I felt shane was incredibly missunderstood back in the day. He was close to Rick and his family before it started, then after he falls in love with the idea of having Lori and Carl, became the leader of the group and would do anything to keep them alive. Rick comes back from the dead and literally in an instant its all taken from him. Even the leadership. Obviously Shane was likely doomed to mentally crack and change with this world, but absolutely he was ahead of the curve on how to survive and Rick was living as a cop still. And if Shane, understandably, truly thinks Rick can't keep them safe-he's gotta do what he can to make sure Lori and Carl and his unborn baby survive. And the Otis thing, to me it was obvious. Shane was wounded, hobbled, and they weren't looking like they were gonna make it. It become one of them dies or they both do. And if you rewatch it, you Shane practically pleaded with him to go and leave Shane behind! But either way, Carl had to live, and he did. Shane started spiraling from that point really. He obviously had guilt for sacrificing this guy. But he also knew he can do what it takes to keep them alive. *shaves head and stares into mirror like a bada$$*
Thank you, couldn’t have put it better myself regarding the Otis situation. The guys seem to keep missing the fact that it was either both of them die or one of them sacrifices themselves ~ AJ
I'm so happy Shane is dead. The first time I watched this live with my family we celebrated. That man was a psychopath. And I stand by what I said on another reaction that Shane would plant evidence to make his quota. He did that shit with Randall with too much ease. I also blame Lori a little for this. She gave that weirdo too much hope.
AJ. Do you have Discord or some way I could contact you through voice? I have a thorough explanation of WHY Shane did what he did but its too long to type into a comment. I could explain it to you in 10 minutes on a call. Lmk lol
Notice how shane holds ricks hand before his death shane wasn't ever going to be able to kill rick even though he "hates" rick hes still shanes brother and without Shane we wouldn't have rick. Shane isn't a bad guy at heart he lost his shit tho and it would have been better to have him have a redemption arc Edit 18:09 well in that case ur routing for rick since he turns into shane so AJ is right 👍
See I understand the shane hate. I hated him too and his mental health did get destroyed by killing Otis and it got worse overtime. but knowing what I know I also think that he was right. Like they said it was just poor execution. #1 they didnt show this in the show but they should've I believe Shane couldn't kill rick. We all saw how bad killing Otis messed shane up mentally and shane didnt even know him that long. Shane physically and mentally couldn't have pulled that trigger. That's why he kept poking the bear saying that "you can't protect your family rick ! " and "Raise your Gun rick" stuff like "your a bad father" Shane basically wanted to die. that's why he didn't shoot rick but you can hear a gunshot when he gets stabbed his hand was on the trigger the whole time but he just couldn't pull it. Also Shane wanted to leave the group several times without andrea and with her and EVERY Single time he was about to leave Lori would say something to him to make him want to stay. Now am I saying shane is right for obsessing over lori ? No. But what I am saying is I do think Lori wanted Shane there as a secondary option just in case anything happened to rick. Not everything is her fault because shane did choose to do his own actions like I said shane did lose his mind but who knows. If she didn't do that maybe him and andrea would've left and went somewhere happy making there own group while our group was here at the farm. And somewhere down the line our two groups could've came together and merged into one.
Fun Fact: The ENTIRE cast at the time gathered around that open field to watch the Rick-Shane scene because they knew what would go down and wanted to see with their own eyes.
Andrew Lincoln acted the hell out of that scene. So good.
@@rumham7466Honestly, Jon Bernthal's performance is the best in the work. The guy delivered absolutely every emotion he could.
Source? Never seen this before
@@RealGaIaxy he made it up bro
'I can't believe it! Shane was such a reasonable and nice guy! Why the writers did this to him?" you cannot be funnier :)
By the way, if you want to talk about shane's leadership when he led the group, you can go to the first episodes. You will see that he only cared about Lori and Carl. He told Andrea's sister openly that she can forget Andrea, that he will not risk anything for her. Oh and remember how he cared for Lori by trying to rape her in the end of season 1? He also did nothing when Rick was fighting enemies. He just fooled Lori to make her come back to the farm. That's all. He was never a leader.
Honestly his character ended perfectly that’s all imma say.
@@linaskranauskas I'm sooooooo glad you brought that up about what Shane said to Amy. Shane would have left Andrea, Glen, and all of them in Atlanta just for Lori and Carl to be safe. It's all about Shane's feelings and no one else.
Yet he still has massive cult following 🤣🤣 cry more
@@linaskranauskasSo true! The way he already said that Andrea might be dead with zero empathy 😂 He didn’t care at all
The reason Shane decided to kill Rick now is because of what Lori just said to him. In her mind she was trying to make peace with him and thank him... wanting no hard feelings. Shane heard her words as ... 'If Rick wasn't here we would be together.' Shane was NOT a good leader because all he cared about was Lori, Carl and himself.... a good leader needs to care about the WHOLE group because it is the WHOLE group that makes surviving possible.
@@IncognitoJohnDoe If Shane was leading a dog or just Lori and Carl then none of them would survive for long. They need the group, anyone in this situation needs a group to survive long term. This was Shane's mistake, if he cared about the whole group the way he did for Lori and Carl then YES, he would be a good leader.
@@HiImVee 😂
@IncognitoJohnDoe Lmao Shane leadership had them ass out in the woods to be eaten by walkers, then his next idea was to got to Fort Benning which was overrun by walkers pretty quickly. How could he possibly be a good leader when he keeps leaving people behind that aren't Lori.
@@korivex742He was not arguing you on if they would survive he agreed with you he's just arguing your definition of leader
@@IncognitoJohnDoe lol well that is fine because I wasn't arguing with you.... I was agreeing with you, what a weird thing to say.
AJ Never been so quiet🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😭😭😭😭😭
Man let me mourn in peace man 😂
Shut up you dork
Facts
@@The_Modern_Nomadsawwww bless😅
Even in the beginning, Shane pulled a gun on Rick. It's nothing new that Shane wanted Rick away from Lori and Carl, he wanted his family, he betrayed his best friend, and he deserved the death he got. And Rick crying and saying ''That was you, not me.'' What a performance.
Reasonable interpretation, Shane wasn't going to shoot the first time, and the 2nd time too, it's already more than interpreted that Shane just wanted to force Rick to evolve by force, he knew he was out of place, that Rick wouldn't be able to move forward just by making good decisions, Shane was necessary, he forced Rick to become a man. A character better written than any other in the series, and better acted too.
Haha Shane was just as good a character as Rick though
Was waiting to see AJs response to Shanes death. Can't believe he thought that was out of character. That was exactly who Shane has been since day 1. And that was how he went out in the comic. Shot trying to kill Rick so he can have Lori. Shane was not a good leader...he repeatedly said he only cared about Lori and Carl. He would 100% sacrifice anyone to save those 2. Rick does what he can for the whole group.
How is this who he's been since day 1? What obligation does he have to a whole group. He already did more than enough by having that camp and looking for their safety but they knew the city was a risk going in and out of and Glenn even said the first time they go as a group is when it fucks up. I think being the only one who realises what needs to be done, constantly being given mixed signals by someone you loved and repeatedly told that you're in the wrong and your just crazy when you end up being proven right is what drove him further down the road. People want to act like Shane from the start was this bloodthirsty tyrant who wanted to boss a group around. He found some sort of peace in family with Lori and Carl and it came crashing down to reality when Rick showed up. He tried to talk about it to get over it and was shut down and treated like he was some malicious liar who only tried to get into Loris pants. Then at the end of it Lori finally admits she owes him a lot after constantly flipping from on and off with him. He was pushed to the edge and of course he did unforgivable things but he was also right a lot of the time and was the only one of the group who knew what needed to be done before Rick finally caught up and realised the world they lived in. Anybody who says Shane is wrong is then admitting anything done in the later seasons is also wrong. So what should the group do? Just lay down and let people like the Governor and Negan use them and kill them. Or protect themselves? This isn't the same world, as much as Dale wants to argue against it the world is all about survival of the fittest.
@@mkazaaProfesionial yapper
That scene with Rick and Shane has got to be one of the best scenes in the entirety of the series.
If you pay attention to his verbiage in that scene Shane clearly just wanted to die at this point and baited Rick into killing him Jon Bernthal even wanted a reveal that Shane’s gun was empty the whole time.
I agree. Especially when he was taunting him saying “I’m a better father than you Rick” even his tone seemed calculated in a mocking way to get him to kill him.
AJ is that one Homie everyone has, that when he starts to speak you just shake your head and wait until someone else to talk.
It was confirmed (by a writer i think) that if shane was the leader then the whole group wouldve died.
THANK UUUU . lmaoo he would’ve been horrible
Chandler Riggs’s (Carl’s actor) himself said the show would’ve lasted a few seasons with Shane as leader 😂
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idk man even if writers said it i only believe if shane leads the group would be like evil savage alternate version because of how shane influenced them something
shane was has a potential good leader something seeing how he kept the group alive when rick was still in the hospital when the outbrake has just begun
"he'll not be missed"
*When the governor and negan shows up*
"We need shane there"
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Bro on the left meat riding Shane like crazy Ricks the goat bro
I like them both
“How did they not see those guys(assuming you mean the walkers)?” The answer would be it’s dark and Rick, Carl, and Shane were kind of preoccupied with the whole situation going on to really observe.
I’ve gone back and watched the walking dead from start to finish a few times, and I consistently come to the opinion that the conversation with Lori is a huge factor why this happened.
It wasn’t the direct cause but giving him hope, the feeling that she did have love or feelings for him was what sent him over the edge.
Jon Bernthal did an amazing job as Shane.
Although i did not like shane and his way of thinking... we cannot deny that shane was an entertaining charcater John Bernthal did an amazing job as Shane
Shane's death is tragic in a way.. it feels like a brother killing a brother. I'm not per se on the hate train when it comes to Shane, as you guys also mentioined he just burned through and snapped, this world brought out the worst in him and Lori unintentionally gave him the final push. But he still tried to kill Rick in cold blood and that's also a fact so Rick had no other choice than killing him in self defense.. as Shane has said himself there would've been no coming back from this.
btw I always love your little after discussions ! Can't say it enough but this will be such a great ride with the three of you. You guys have the perfect dynamic
During the last verbal exchange when Shane kept taunting Rick, supposedly Jon Bernthal wanted it to seem like he was pushing Rick further and further until he had no choice but to kill him, to finally push him over the line and realize he has to do certain things to not end up in situations like this one. Which means he was trying to get Rick to stop taking half measures. He asked the studio to do a reveal that the gun he had pointed at Rick was empty the whole time after he died which could suggest Jon knew more about the character than we got the chance to. The way the studio did it leaves it open to interpretation rather than something solid people just accept.
This show changes tones every 2 seasons. Seasons 1-2 have a very particular tone that dies with Shane. And Seasons 3-4 will FEEL different. Then 5-6 will feel different. Then 7-8, 9-10, and then 11 is also different. Some people prefer some over others but I love them all the same.
Shane is a goated character.
Lmaoooo that dead guy?? 😭 nah
@@soggynugznah ur done💀💀💀💀
@@soggynugzbruh Shane is the best walking dead character of all time easily, then Rick and Daryl
@@LetEmflyProductionsL rage bait
I dont know what show AJ is watching to say Shane is reasonable and nice guy LOL
13:06 mans was so sick of his ass 😂😂
shane wanted to kill rick but when they got out to the field he realized he couldn’t and he made a mistake so he kept trying to make rick mad and push him further bc shane realized what he’s become and he didn’t wanna live that life anymore
@@HiImVee i jus thought that bc of when he said u have no idea of what i can live wit and earlier in the episode he saw rick was starting to favor daryl more so he felt more of an outcast
"Raise your gun rick!!" Yeah thanks for this, you are totally correct.
another details people miss in their blind emotional hate for Shane.
I kinda agree but at the same time maybe he expected Rick to just hurt him so he’ll have a reason to kill him and make it look like an accident. Both can be true.
Yeah I agree looked like rick talked sense into shane before he stabbed him which is sad because I think shane could of redeemed himself later in the show
@@bittercolesslaw Literally nothing of what you said explains how you came to that conclusion. At least not in a way that makes sense lmao
Still to this day both Dale’s death and Shane’s death were the first character deaths to hit me hard Dale being the voice of reason and the moral compass in the group and all about having humanity is what’s right for us as human beings one of my favourites and Shane Rick’s best friend and right hand man until Daryl stepped up when he had to put down Dale Shane was another one of my favourites yeah I understand why Shane had to die was never suppose to happen but he had to I can tell that deep down Rick didn’t wanna kill his best friend but he had to Shane lost his mind there was no way out of that I just wish that they coulda worked things out and made up but sadly Rick killing Shane had to happen I’m sure this is gonna have a big impact on the group especially Rick because deep down he cared for him to this day I still miss Dale and Shane.
i do wish i could see shanes reactions to some future events
Shane got killed off a lot earlier on in the comics. He was living on borrowed time. Lol.
Still could of done alot more with shane since the show did stray away from alot of the source material
When Shane was leader he wanted to abandon gleen Andrea tdog and others cause they were trapped by walkers
Shane was a loose cannon !! He would never be the leader Rick will become
True
@lukefury8162 I don’t agree but I don’t want to say why because I don’t want to give anything away for the guys
@@Zombiegirl_63 yeah that's why I deleted me comment lol
@@lukefury8162 I know it’s hard I always have to watch myself too 👍💙
Always looking forward to your reactions, keep up the good work!
appreciate it man
You man clearly missed the fact that Lori triggered Shane's actions with that little conversation she had with him. She gave him hope masked as an apology. Shane was starting to move on before that.
Saying Shane is more of a father figure than Rick was so gross. Lmao and to find out in the next scene that Shane only told Rick to talk to Carl so he could kill Randall hopefully woke y'all up. Shane weaponized Carl against Rick... yeah what a father figure.
Its been building up to this for a while, its a very good conclusion for Shane but AJ is correct about Shane's leadership.
Nahhhh lmao y’all both delusional. Shane only cares about control and what he wants. He’d kill to get it . Even innocent ppl. A real leader would find a better way then to just throw temper tantrums like Shame does anytime he gets upsetti spaghetti 😞😞🤣
Considering the person who CREATED Shane has already said that everyone would've died if Shane had stayed/been the leader, I'm gonna go with nope, you're a dumbass my guy
FYI Lori is the a Little Finger
15:40 RICKTATORSHIP??
"Raise your gun" *Rick will remember that*
Comic spoiler:
Shane died wayy earlier in the comics. Never made it past the first camp, Carl killed human Shane in the comics, Rick killed Walker Shane
This I didn't know. The show reversed it. I think having Lori be Carl's first human kill was more impactful.
I feel sorry for Rick because he was forced to kill the one who had been his best friend
Shane will be missed and don’t think that will be yo last time seeing him
Not really a spoiler, but don't read if you don't want to know anything for later:
Even though Shane had to go the way he did, I still would have loved to have seen (if he had just been exiled or left or something), Shane confronting a later Rick. Epicness.
Always hype for these reactions
Idc brothas Shane was my favorite character, he deserved better and you guys are gonna see how Rick basically becomes Shane in later seasons
This changes everything indeed. This show is gonna be very different now that Shane is gone. But he still holds a presence in the show all the way through the end.
Lori's talk with Shane gave him that little bit of hope and he knew he had to get rid of Rick to have her. It's her fault. And I agree 100% about Otis. That changed him.
It is only Shane's fault. Only he is responsible for his actions.
Are you REALLY trying to blame Lori at all for this situation 😂
Because it is her fault for giving him hope
@@jarvisfowlkes3200 its shane fault for being a weak minded man 😂he contradicted himself so hard
I didn’t realize that Shane was being force choked by lori to kill her own husband???? What part of the episode is that?? Shane got his own homely ass killed 🤣 delulu
AJ, AJ, AJ, THAT'S YO BOY AS YOUR FRIENDS SAY. LOL. Shane wanted anything and everything that Rick had, power, family etc.
Shane was seasons ahead of everyone except Daryl. He is probably one of the most sane antagonists in the show
Shane was quite literally the opposite of ‘sane’. First season as soon as Rick gets back he’s thinking of killing him (when he points his gun at rick in the forest). Shane was not a good leader, and he did not ‘adapt’. He was just an insane obsessive psychopath
I can't wait for the next reactions coming. I do have a to say but this was coming . There was so many signs . It was not going to work because it was All about having Rick's life . Shane was all about Lori . He left the group in beginning for dead . Glen saved Rick and he saved all of them . Rick went back for Merle . Lori should have not had that talk with Shane because it was already tense . Rick decided to have Daryl do the things with him . Rick was starting to see the writing on the wall . He tried every way with Shane , gave every chance. Can't wait for the next episodes. You guys reactions!!
Finally, the troublemaker is dead! 😊😊 great reaction, and I can't wait to see your 50 000 subs. IS
from the 5th season you will like shane 🙌
Loving all the Shane slander I see 🤭
Shane becomes missed lol
I’ve been waiting for y’all to get to this episode just so I could see AJ’s face.
Worth the wait! 😂
#EffShane
Rip Shane 😔
Gone too soon - AJ
😂😂☠️☠️dats crazy Shane is the Best😂
this really my fav series on yt rn
Shane went over the deep end. That’s what happened and he’s had it in him since season 1 you even saw it with Carols husband. Sure what that guy was doing was bad but Shane’s solution was to beat the guy half to death. Shane’s idea of solving problems is killing and violence always has been it makes total sense for him to want to kill Rick
"I will not stop next time, you hear me?! I'll beatya dead Ed..."
Yeah people always make this point. While also saying he didn't care about anyone except Lori and Carl. Yet he taught this wife beater/child toucher a lesson. He probably SHOULD have killed him. What else would you do with this type of guy post apocalypse?
Sorry AJ! Jon Bernthal was born to play Frank Castle aka The Punisher 💀
This scene gets me every time You did this to us This is you not me Poor Rick had to kill his brother and best friend Carl’s first kill is Shane.
Shane been wanted Rick life since the first episode. Go back and watch. He always seem jealous of Rick.
Also, Shane definitely had Rick in his scope a couple episodes ago.
bro yall need to post twice a day everyday i cant have this shit lol ive binged it all in a few hours!
Smoking on that Shane pack" 🤣🤣🤣
Shane tried to kill Rick 3 times total but Rick loved Shane so much that he forgave him to have slept with his wife. If this is not love, I don’t know what it is. He would have never killed Shane. Shane wanted to be Rick I am sure even before the apocalypse. It was some kind of toxic friendship.
I loved Shane though, he brought the drama. I also love the fact that Daryl was the first to call BS on Shane’s story about the prisoner escaping. Once again, Rick believed it right away because of his brotherhood with Shane.
shane wanted to kill randall because he doesnt want any risk of someone knowing thier hideouts camp
Shane's death had to happen but it broke my heart
It made my heart smile
@@soggynugzsame 😊
- Ilias
@@soggynugz Fair enough. I think it was the writers intention to make that scene emotional though. Don't normally play sad music when you kill a cut and dry villain.
AJ saying Why, what was the reason for that; Lori. Lori was the reason for that. Cause at the tower when she said," Whatever we thought that was, AND NOT JUST YOU," That was it. She let him know that she DID have feelings for him too and also, that it might be his baby. Every bit of this shht is on her.
shane is by far the most fit person to be a leader he wants to protect carl and lori so much he wouldn’t put them in harms way and he would fix the problem right away because he knows how the world is he evolved to fast
Shanes not a good leader. He's a good survivor - in a sense that he can turn the switch off and do the hard choices. But he's selfish and he only cares about people he 'loves' (can get something out of) or people that are a resource. Rick cares about more than just his family.
where was episode 10?
Shane did this to himself. He was obsessed with having his best friend’s family. He’s been forcing Ricks hand the whole time.
AJ legit worries me defending a guy like Shane. 😅 My guess is his top people will be:
The Governor
Alpha
Simon
The entire population and philosophy of Terminus.
Negan probably too level headed for him.
😂😂
AJ would be a Claimer for sure lmfaoooo
Bro the guy on the left simply just doesn’t understand good writing. Shane literally pointed a shotgun at rick got drunk and touched his wife. Like how is this out of character 😂. Cmon now son Shane was a bad guy simple.
Yes keep the reactions coming
@14:00 ill tell you the reason... lori.. like i said a couple episodes back she stay doing this push pull thing with him. Granted shane is gone hes lost mentally. Point is Lori is inconsistent.
Nahhhhh. Lori tried to clear the air and move on. He's the one who turned that into a I can get her back. He played himself
This is a year late but I’m just watching now. Shane had to be written off because he signed for another show, not thinking this one would not still be running.
Rip Shan and Randal
Bro said sacrificing Otis aka murder by Shane was justified. Your mans is tapped
Otis and Shane would've died and thus Carl would've died too if not for Shane so yeah he was justified.
@@Cortez6605 No lol. The time spent on Shane shooting, fighting and taking that bag off Otis was enough for them to both escape. People like you are disgusting
@@Cortez6605they both could've made it. There was chance.
wait am i tripping or is that AJ in the ”6 tall people vs 1 secret short person” video by beta squad? yall got the same name and look very similar but i’m still not sure
nevermind i’m dumb as fuck 😭😭 yall do look the same tho my cousin thought it was u also
Nah that ain't me i wish i was in a video with 7 million views 😂
Sorry AJ Shane finally took things to far and this had to happen! Will actually miss him though Jon Bernthal is an amazing actor!
gotta pay attention to all the clues when it comes to storytelling. this show constantly let us know that not only was shane a shit leader, but he was a shit person. first time we see shane, he is literally refusing to help andrea, tdogg, morales, glenn and meryl when they are trapped by walkers from ricks gun shots. when rick meets the camp and realizes meryl is still trapped on the roof, rick volunteers to go back to help the very man he handcuffed. shane refuses to help and advises none of them go to help meryl. shane was trash from the very start. he also didnt give a shit about finding sophia.
He didn't care about finding Sophia after day 1 because as an ex cop he knew statistically children were not found after that amount of time or something like that. So why use the resources and put life's in danger looking for days on end?
@@trevor5071 lol. So what would you do if you lost your child and your so called best friend used statistics as a reason to stop searching after 24 hours? Would you just be ok with that? What normal person would just be fine with not searching for their child due to statistics? I just named like six people he was ready to abandon without thought, and you try to justify that "statistically" abandoning the little girl makes sense? Stop it. Just stop
@@saeres9288 he was literally proven right, she was in the barn the whole time and Daryl almost died looking for her. Plus more.
People get so emotional and hate on Shane when the writing itself proves he was right about just about everything. He just was losing his mind in the process
@@saeres9288 "stahp, just stahp!" Chill bruv
@@trevor5071 lol. you right. i do be getting too aggressive in these comments. i mean no disrespect tho.
Been waiting to see y'all react to this one
the AJ episode finally 😂
If we’re being truthful here then I’d say that Rick done nothing wrong he was right Shane did this to them and Lori not Rick! Rick is completely in the right here it’s all down to Shane and Lori I’d say more so Shane though as he kept getting to Rick on purpose.
fun fact. carl killed shane in the comics
Shane uses Lori and Carl to manipulate Rick so things will go his way, plain and simple. Shane knows good and well that prisoner doesn't mean more to Rick than Carl does. Rick knows he screwed up bringing Randall to the farm and getting him away from the farm asap keeps them all safe, including Carl. As for Lori, she pushes Shane away, reminds him that she and Carl aren't his family, then goes to him and tells him to stay, then has the talk with him at the windmill. She keeps yanking his chain and giving him a tiny glimmer of hope. I feel like she realizes any of them could go at any time so she's making sure she's got a man to take care of her either way.
I think Shane gave Rick one more chance to do things his way (Randall). Rick didn't so as usual, Shane went off half-cocked and handled it his way.
It's easy to say Shane was a decent leader at the quarry. Up until the walkers attacked the camp there were no tough decisions to be made. Rick showed up and everyone gravitated to him, that's what pissed Shane off. He wanted to be in charge and everyone was suddenly looking to Rick. The difference between the two is that Shane demands respect, while Rick quietly commands respect and gets it.
In all the 13 years I've watched this show and followed reactors, I've never seen anybody try so hard to defend Shane and make him the good guy. 😂
Completely agree, lori is moving very messy this season regarding Shane
Shane has a pretty big cult following so I find it hard to believe when you say you're shocked when people see him more good than bad.
I thought he was right about everything except the lori obsession
@@lukefury8162 I didn't completely hate him, he had his moments. Andrea said it best when she told him it was his delivery that could use a little work. The walkers in the barn could've waited. They weren't a safety issue until they found out they were there, for example. He wanted to make the calls and resented it when everyone looked to Rick. The Otis thing changed him (as it would anyone) but I think some of those traits were already there, he just kept them in check. It's for sure he wanted what Rick had when it came to Lori and Carl. I wasn't sorry to see him go cause at the end he was causing more problems than anything.
@@sunnygrl027 I agree with mostly what you said except with killing him off would of been interesting to see him leave the group then return later in the show, always felt like bit of a waste killing him off so early in the show
@@lukefury8162 That I will agree with. I would've loved to have seen him pop up later on. With the way he was losing it, it would've been interesting to see him come back as a villian.
Why the guy on the left hate Rick bro ? 😂😂😂
Hey to be fair, Shane dies in the first comic LMAOO lasts way longer in the show
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No not my boy Shane
Little Comic Comparison here Carl shooting Shane zombified was a similarity to the comic because in the comics Shane was already dead by this point in the comics Shane is killed pretty quickly just before they left the Atlanta camp Shane tries to kill Rick but then Carl shoots Shane dead alive saving Rick it’s great that TV Shane outlived his comic counterpart but it’s sad that we lost a great character I thought Jon Bernthal did a great job playing the role as Shane the actor went on to do different things I followed the actor after he was killed off here he went on to be in great movies and I loved him as Frank Castle/The Punisher in Marvel’s Netflix shows Daredevil Season 2 and The Punisher He mighta been an asshole at the end but deep down he’s still a human being that cared about Rick and the group i still miss Shane.
I always felt they killed Shane off too early He was a popular character they could have at least given him another season.
Lets go goated episode
Shane deserved to die, but I would be interested for him to last to season 3 and meet the governor.
Shane's weakness was women, not zombies, or he would be an asset in the apocalypse.
It was just Lori and the jealousy he had towards Rick
Which makes him a horrible survivor lmaooo imagine your weakness being the other gender 🤣🤣🤣
@@soggynugzyour my weakness😩😩😩
You guys are awesome. Interesting and a fun watch!
as I did when I watching this show week to week, I must give me peice and DEFEND SHANE with a mighty passion 😆
I felt shane was incredibly missunderstood back in the day.
He was close to Rick and his family before it started, then after he falls in love with the idea of having Lori and Carl, became the leader of the group and would do anything to keep them alive.
Rick comes back from the dead and literally in an instant its all taken from him. Even the leadership.
Obviously Shane was likely doomed to mentally crack and change with this world, but absolutely he was ahead of the curve on how to survive and Rick was living as a cop still.
And if Shane, understandably, truly thinks Rick can't keep them safe-he's gotta do what he can to make sure Lori and Carl and his unborn baby survive.
And the Otis thing, to me it was obvious. Shane was wounded, hobbled, and they weren't looking like they were gonna make it.
It become one of them dies or they both do. And if you rewatch it, you Shane practically pleaded with him to go and leave Shane behind!
But either way, Carl had to live, and he did.
Shane started spiraling from that point really. He obviously had guilt for sacrificing this guy.
But he also knew he can do what it takes to keep them alive. *shaves head and stares into mirror like a bada$$*
Thank you, couldn’t have put it better myself regarding the Otis situation. The guys seem to keep missing the fact that it was either both of them die or one of them sacrifices themselves ~ AJ
I'm so happy Shane is dead. The first time I watched this live with my family we celebrated. That man was a psychopath.
And I stand by what I said on another reaction that Shane would plant evidence to make his quota. He did that shit with Randall with too much ease. I also blame Lori a little for this. She gave that weirdo too much hope.
AJ. Do you have Discord or some way I could contact you through voice? I have a thorough explanation of WHY Shane did what he did but its too long to type into a comment. I could explain it to you in 10 minutes on a call. Lmk lol
Don't have Discord bro, you can send me a voice message on Instagram @ajvalentino_11 we can talk there
How are y’all only on this ep I alr finished show an almost finished Maggie spinoff and Daryl spin-off almost out
Notice how shane holds ricks hand before his death shane wasn't ever going to be able to kill rick even though he "hates" rick hes still shanes brother and without Shane we wouldn't have rick. Shane isn't a bad guy at heart he lost his shit tho and it would have been better to have him have a redemption arc
Edit 18:09 well in that case ur routing for rick since he turns into shane so AJ is right 👍
RIHell Shane.
See I understand the shane hate. I hated him too and his mental health did get destroyed by killing Otis and it got worse overtime. but knowing what I know I also think that he was right. Like they said it was just poor execution. #1 they didnt show this in the show but they should've I believe Shane couldn't kill rick. We all saw how bad killing Otis messed shane up mentally and shane didnt even know him that long. Shane physically and mentally couldn't have pulled that trigger. That's why he kept poking the bear saying that "you can't protect your family rick ! " and "Raise your Gun rick" stuff like "your a bad father" Shane basically wanted to die. that's why he didn't shoot rick but you can hear a gunshot when he gets stabbed his hand was on the trigger the whole time but he just couldn't pull it. Also Shane wanted to leave the group several times without andrea and with her and EVERY Single time he was about to leave Lori would say something to him to make him want to stay. Now am I saying shane is right for obsessing over lori ? No. But what I am saying is I do think Lori wanted Shane there as a secondary option just in case anything happened to rick. Not everything is her fault because shane did choose to do his own actions like I said shane did lose his mind but who knows. If she didn't do that maybe him and andrea would've left and went somewhere happy making there own group while our group was here at the farm. And somewhere down the line our two groups could've came together and merged into one.
lads ye just debate 1 of the biggest "what ifs" in the show, its good to ye not bickering as much, waaay better reaction