Jordan Peterson Gets Joe Rogan TO ADMIT Christian Truth
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- Jordan Peterson sat down for another conversation with Joe Rogan and at one point Peterson explains the cross and Christs crucifixion in a way that Joe Rogan admits he's never heard it taught like this before... and I agree with Joe.
I grew up being taught religion and I don't think I've ever missed a Sunday mass, but was never taught or thought about what it means at the level that Peterson offers here. Rogan says here that most Christians probably don't think about the cross this way, they only think that Jesus died for us and we're saved and that's it...
I'm not saying that isn't true, but it's a shallow perspective and it’s shallow language that right now falls on dead ears and isn't winning anyone over. Depth, mystery, and meaning wins over, it's what we're all desperate for in this day and age, and there is nothing deeper than what Peterson explains here
Absolutely brilliant, the way Jordan ties these major Christian themes together with simpler, clearer language that brings a fresh revelation to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.
Not the Gospel???
I'm part of the Catholic church and with in that the Neo Cathecumal Way. We walk in a Christian community, in the way the early church was set up. I was brought up in this community and then left as I grew up. I then realised the importance of these teachings, of carrying your cross, accepting the reality the lord has given us, we have it all and it is perfect, our sin corrupts our reality. Anyway I'm the biggest sinner so please pray for me in my journey toward true faith
@@dannypower2399 Thank you for sharing. I totally agree in regards to carrying our cross. We suffer in the realities of this life, praise the Lord Jesus that our abilities to carry dont save us due to what you said, we are all the chief of sinners. My friend, 'true faith" is believing on what Christ has done for you, and that alone. Putting our faith on him is to believe on what he has accomplished for us not our ability to ‘act out” righteousness. Are we called to be righteous, most certainly. Might I ask you a question? How do you know that you are saved? Or what either now in you walk or in the past created doubt? Is it or was it your ability or success in your walk, “acting out” While I could be wrong after many years, I came to the conclusion that If im doing that Im relying in part on my own righteousness which I don’t believe is the gospel. I think and believe our salvation is solely based on the imputed righteousness of Christ. If it is, then my ‘acting it out” is not an indicator of my standing in Christ. “ If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater; for this is the witness of [c]God which He has testified of His Son. 10 He who believes in the Son of God has the witness in himself; he who does not believe God has made Him a liar, because he has not believed the testimony that God has given of His Son. 11 And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has [d]life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, [e]and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.” By the way, the conversation has been good.
This is the standard catholic understanding lol
@@kansashoneybadger7899 No, NOT the gospel.
"pick up your cross & follow me..."
&
"he who would lose his life, will save it!"
Yup! And don't forget that Jesus told us to "deny ourselves". That's a hard one that many don't think about.
@@RobertoRamirez-lo6yx Denying ourselves does not save us Christ does.
@@dann285to turn to Christ and to receive Him is to deny ourselves
Amen
Damn dude
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
~1 Cor. 1:18
AMEN
PRAISE
JESUS
💯🙏
I concur amen
i know you mean well, but you're doing harm by brainwashing people about a primitive, barbaric religion, that tells people an invisible 'man' in the sky will fry them in hell forever, for not believing... be honest, would you do that to your children for not believing in you?
What in the world is that supposed to mean, other than stay stupid?
@@andreim656
This simply means salvation is so amazing...... it's too stupid to be true or possible....... To those who don't get it
The reason we haven't heard this before is because we weren't listening to the prophets of the age. Not everyone has the gift of Jordan Peterson for language and psychological explanation. He explains things in a very unique manner. This is God - given.
I want to believe he has the holy spirit accompanying and leading him when he tries and articulate. Jordan knows many ears are listening, God knows this too.
@@Lyonessi I want to believe that as well. My son, who is now 27, turned away from Jesus about 6 years ago after being saved and baptized at 16. My son does love Jordan Peterson (and Joe Rogan) and I am hoping that Jordan Peterson is just the person who can get people like my son to come back to Jesus.
I don’t think you understood it bud
There is no god.
Um - read any sort of Christian mysticism and you’ll get this, guys. It’s all part of being and LIVING as a follower of Christ. You go to your cross in your own life in imitation of him. It’s very basic Christianity for anyone who has gotten past a child’s level of faith. Christianity is very, very deep to say the least. At least from a Catholic perspective. Can’t speak for pastor Bob’s church or whatever. But Catholic Christianity is the most profound thing in this world to live out. It’s just many people have not seriously investigated it.
What Christ endured to save mankind, now and forever, is ineffable. To think that He wanted us to be with Him again so greatly, that he endured the worst pain, psychological torture, humiliation, and so on crushes the soul almost completely. Christianity is not about religion, it’s about the relationship we have with the Christ Jesus. It’s amazing to think that as we grow closer to Jesus and understand the meaning of His sacrifice, it stops being just profound for us but becomes divine. Amen.
Well said. ❤🙏☀️
What makes you think that? Do you also believe the struggles Odin and Thor went through? How about Cerci Lannister? Sherlock Holmes? Iron Man? Deadpool? Where is the line drawn between fantasy and truth? 🎉
@@iLovettGolf Jesus really lived and logically the resurrection is the only thing that makes sense
@@EthanMuldoonMusic sorry, but how do you come to the conclusion that resurrection is in any way logical?
@@iLovettGolf show me any logical way Christianity started without the resurrection, why so many people died claiming to see Christ risen. Why Christ is still to this day the best example the world has ever seen and for 2000 years everyone has failed to even live up to 10% of his teachings and character. Why every historian agrees that something definitely happened with Jesus around that time to start the boom in Christianity. The shroud of Turin is another great addition (you don’t have to accept that but again no logical explanation for it without the resurrection). It is impossible for Christianity to start without the resurrection of the Lord. Paul says it best “if Christ didn’t resurrect, our faith is meaningless”. Btw Paul is another great piece of evidence towards Christ being the truth. Logically explain to me why a man who persecuted, murdered and hated Christians, in the space of a day would become fully devout and willingly go to his own death for Jesus. Logically Jesus not being the way, the truth and the life means Christianity never begins. Jesus is the centre of our existence, he changed the world with his words, love and sacrifice on the cross. I can’t think of any other person who has had as much as an impact on the world even with their money and power. Another little thing, without Jesus women would have never been able to be equal to a man. The morality we have today is moulded by Jesus and we have twisted it for our own needs and wants. Now I don’t know if that will do anything for you but hopefully it makes you think a bit. God bless my friend
My God I want to meet JP. His insights have literally changed my life for the better.
You any thousands of others, brother.
@@coreyg7364 @timwannell6477 I’m one of the many others as well. God has definitely worked through Doc JP. Amazing and wonderfully communicated perspectives.
I’ve met him, he’s really amazing and so is his wife! I hope you get to, too!
I’d like to ask him how he leaves his analytical behaviours to one side whilst discussing this topic
JP doesn't struggle to find the things to say. He struggles to find the way to say things so normal people can easily digest them and receive them meaningfully.
Wishing I had learned that from the Word of God early in life... 😢
Because He was definitely trying to teach me... In his Word 🎉
Aka he’s an unclear communicator. I always hear word salad.
@@InExcelsisDeo24
Having a dictionary handy.. is definitely a necessity 🤣....
Perhaps a good thesaurus as well 😂
His intent, is to challenge the intellect 🧐....
From the very first video I saw...
My hillbilly ass needed a dictionary.🤣
If you "mute" all the millions of years of evolution BS😎...
The rest is "having common sense" and being well read 🧐
Course that's just my opinion, and I'm still half asleep 🤣
@@jimhughes1070 I’m a double doctorate clinical psychologist. I don’t know everything, in fact very very far from it. But one thing I learned from decades of work and teaching is that the most intelligent and humble folks are very good at simplifying and communicating complex ideas. The BS-ers hide behind faux complexity. I know he can do better.
@@InExcelsisDeo24
You have all those credentials... And think he is delivering
"Word salad"😎?
I was just thinking how great a comedy skit would be... If I simply voiced over 90% of what he says
With my hillbilly voice! 🤣🤣
The simple would get an education in what should be common sense.... While laughing their butt off 😭
However, delivering "beatitudes" should be done 'soberly'😎...
Jesus's book is still the best seller... But it's a rare individual that has read all of the beatitudes...
JP uses more complex language to entice the intellectual to 'listen'...
And those that do, are made Wiser.🤔
Of course that's just my humble opinion...
A full investigation would probably reveal something far more nefarious 😎
when you live under a cross with Christ, life is in Christ!
“Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” Mathew 11:29-30
One of my favorites ❤
I will try. I haven’t prayed or read the gospels in over year. I just come home, lay on a pallet in my parents spare storage room and eat chips and play on my phone until work next day. I don’t save because I have so many addictions.
Its time
Me too. Deal with 1 at a time. Get 1 percent better everyday. You have been prayed over. Peace and blessings to you@@sukaenacornelius9285
@@sukaenacornelius9285your Salvation is not dependent on what you do for God, it depends on what God has done for you!
Read those Gospels and BELIEVE it with all your heart! Here is the real question- what part of them are you questioning? What is do you have trouble believing?
Jordan is such a masterful genius of communication. I'm riveted by his ability to convey concepts with such accuracy and fluidity. When he done speaking, you absolutely see what he was saying, regardless of the complications of vocabulary. He is amazing.
i know you mean well, but you're doing harm by brainwashing people about a primitive, barbaric religion, that tells people an invisible 'man' in the sky will fry them in hell forever, for not believing... be honest, would you do that to your children for not believing in you?
Respectfully, I think the title of the video is a little hyperbolic. "Jordan Peterson gets Joe Rogan to say 'Hmm, I never thought of it like that' ", would be more accurate.
I couldn't agree more.
This must be your first day on youtube
@@TheNIKOLASRBIN
Nah. Not my first day. I might suffer with dissociative amnesia tho. I'm sure many of us do thanks to the comment section here.....lol
@@TheNIKOLASRBIN That's right. Everyone seems very nice so far, now to find out what 'hawk tuah' means...
There are keywords that content creators rely on to attract more clicks.
Repentance. Turning around. 180. Not just believing.
"Repent, or Repentance" is to change your mind from that which you believed on, or perceived in belief of to be true.
Repentance is believing. It means changing your view of Jesus and his Holy Spirit will fill you.
The word is metanoia, changing your mind to be aligned with God's will.
Anyone that says "beleiving" in the person and work of Christ for your forgiveness isn't enough is an agent of Satan and preaches another gospel.
@@johntrevett2944 Not what the Bible says, so go off.
Peterson points out one of the pitfalls that Protestants step into that Bonhoeffer called "cheap grace". As Christians, we're learning what we must give up to follow Christ, and ultimately, it's everything.
@@jimhughes1070Who said I was Catholic?
@jimhughes1070 James 2 is pretty clear about faith without works. But to be clear, "works" will not bring salvation. Doing tons of "good" things does not get you to heaven. That's putting the cart before the horse. Godly works are the fruit of faith. They are evidence of saving faith. Catholics and Protestants navigate opposing pitfalls on either side of the truth. Salvation is by faith alone, but saving faith always produces works. It is the unavoidable response to the reality of who Christ is and what Christ has done for us.
@@periodicallyred8849 yes sir I'm fully aware of all the doctrines all the prominent Protestant churches.. as well as the Catholic Church... That's why I'm not a member of them... I read the Bible.
Forgiveness for your past sins has been paid for... If you have not behaved since the last time you were forgiven... You better get back to the throne room 😄...
"Sin is transgression of the law"...
"The wages of sin are death"
"God is no respecter of persons"
" You will be judged according to your behavior"
Taking a scripture... Adding a bunch of meaning to it... And then basing a whole religion around that...
Is strictly forbidden by the Bible... I'm sorry.
The whole world is deceived... Why do you think God's going to burn it? 😎
Lucifer's job is simple..
Get people off the path.... He has done exemplary work.
33,089 different Christian denominations... One Book.
You just laid out a "Plan of salvation" that you learned from someone else.
Jesus calls that the "blind leading the blind"... And the result?
They both fall in the ditch... In other words "Being deceived" is not an excuse 😎
Ask yourself... Right after you read all the red parts... Is Jesus going to "automatically" excuse everyone that claims to be a Christian? 😎
Or will it look a little more like the letters to the churches in Revelation?
Also in red ink 🥴...
I've had Christians confused by that particular doctrine declare to me that our "" good works"" are trash to God! 😭
"Who is this great multitude?" "These are those that have kept the Commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ"...
Being forgiven once and then continuing to break the Commandments... While the preacher tells you you're "good to go"... Is beyond Goofy 😎
@@periodicallyred8849
Got to love the continual side steppin... To be clear. James can speak for himself. You can actually read his whole book.
all the times I've read the Bible I've never come across a good work being condemned...
And every bad work clearly condemned by the Ten Commandments...
"Do not grieve the Holy Spirit"... "I will not always strive with man"...
At some point, we might find out how much God will no longer suffer a man's denial that God is all about judgment 😎
What did Paul say?
"I keep my body under subjection....lest after having preached the good news to you I myself become a castaway"...
Best let the Mind of Christ be in us... And be obedient to the Father....
Teachers will indeed receive a stricter judgment...
@@jimhughes1070 Do you ignore all the Christmas holiday traditions?
Wow, how could you not believe in God after listening to Mr Peterson.
How could one not believe in GOD after reading the Bible?
@@FAFO4wisdom-s9o Because the bible is irrational, unsubstantiated, and morally disgusting.
Peterson himself doesn’t believe in God or that the stories in the Bible actually happened.
@@ramigilneas9274 he's a grifter playing the mystical wise man.
Easily, never have believed, never will.
I am praying and believing that Joe Rogan will get saved and become born again! I’m praying that hundreds of thousands will come to know Jesus because Joe Rogan gets saved and others will see God’s love through Joe.
As a Mexican Catholic (living in Mexico) , this approach is very common subject in the sermons by priests at mass, specially in the " Holy Week" , its all about sacrifice .. And catholic priests also add this: " The sacrifice and suffer is not forever" , once a Priest told me this: "Do you know how long the crucifixion process of Jesus lasted? From the moment he was arrested until he was crucified it was around 8 to 10 hours, no suffering is eternal, and you should know it for when there is a very great pain in you, and you do not want to let it go "
i am not a Christian, Catholic or part of any religion per say. However I will say this is a beautiful way to interpret such an important event to so many. I have finally built some form of a relationship with who I now call god. But I really just wanted to say this idea to me is a huge factor in how society kept moving forward. By sacrificing parts of your life for the better of others.
It's not just an idea or concept, it's a living being that has set all this up. You gotta go beyond the idea and know the God, through Christ. I won't try and convert you, but definitely good that you're at least thinking about it and asking questions.
God picking... I'm pretty sure that's why the Israelites were kicked off the land for 2000 years.
The comment above said seek Him in the way that is "natural" to you😂
"With your whole mind and strength... And with the knowledge of the Truth ".... Is the actual protocol if one seeks an audience with the Creator. 💪👍
@@StallionFernando how do you go deeper beyond the idea or notion of the Christian message? I mean, you can't just force yourself, your inner core, without argumentation or heeding the laws of logic, unless for example you witnessed a miracle or saw Jesus himself?? Just how do you believe something in your heart without a prior reason or motive or cause?
@@mazklassa9338 Good question. The laws of logic are the domain of our physical world; you go deeper by the genuine desire to seek God whose domain extends outside of the physical world. That means asking questions, reading, and most of all, prayer. Everyone's journey is their own, but if you do this in earnest, the answers you'll find (and treasure most) are not to the questions you first had.
If you're looking for proof, you won't find it. But God has given us much evidence and reason. Scripture is best, but Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis is a great accompanying book to help you on that journey.
You are religious. Atheism is a belief, although another an accurate one it’s still a religion
God came in the flesh and we killed God and yet God still forgives those who trust in Him! God bless you all, God loves you so very much!
Thats sounds insane and impossible to other religions yet us as christians believe it to be sane and possible. We are a different breed lol
No we. The Pharisees did unless you are Jewish and feel some type of odd guilt.
"We"
God robed himself in flesh. He had come as a man so he could die and be the lamb slain before the foundation of the world. He became the ultimate sacrifice so he had to die.
Delusional BS, but a good story
I JUST READ HEBREW 12 IN BIBLE AND THIS IS MAKE SO MUCH SENSE ABOUT WHAT JORDAN SAYING INCREDIBLE
In so far as you’re willing to confront what terrifies you voluntarily, you get stronger.
I have been Christian since childhood and I knew about what Jordan presents. I’ve heard many homilies on the very topic. Do not underestimate the depth of understanding we have. Christianity is a world view that is re-examined and re-explained every Sunday by its adherents.
what if i don't believe in Christianity. and still willing to sacrifice my self for others, just like Jesus did?
i mean religious can be interpreted inany ways. I'm afraid of what catholics did in the middle ages as christians. on the name of religion there has been many horrifying dictatorship
The Christian world view does not advise dictatorships. That’s not to say no Christian has ever been a dictator though. But that person would be going against the tenets of the world view. So I’m proposing that the Christian world view contains the precept of sacrifice. I’m not proposing every Christian person perfectly embodies the precept. It’s the difference between a worldview and a practitioner. I find that same dichotomy in every worldview in fact. I would also suggest if you should fear a worldview, fear one that doesn’t teach the precept of tolerance.
i know you mean well, but you're doing harm by brainwashing people about a primitive, barbaric religion, that tells people an invisible 'man' in the sky will fry them in hell forever, for not believing... be honest, would you do that to your children for not believing in you?
@@HmaidrezaHozouri-xt7xkhuman freedom is terrifying reality!
Explained,but no factual evidence.
The ‘surface’ level of the finished work of the cross only feels surface because we don’t fully understand the punishment that was due to us for our sins without Jesus. Death in all aspects.
Sounds morbid.Death,crucified,sacrifice,pain,forsaken,...not the God I know of love,compassion,forgiveness.
"if you had the courage, something would allow you to bear up nobly under the burden" sort of like an innoculation against fear. Not a bad mechanism for self management
JP is one of my favorite evangelicals today. Effective because he’s not known for being Christian yet covertly is I believe. His desire for truth and his extrapolation of it is from God’s hand. Modern day CS Lewis.
Do you know the difference between beliefs and facts?
JP is NOT a Christian
We are very lucky to have Jordan Peterson. So much incredible knowledge and and even more impressive way of teaching the knowledge to others.
Knowledge,but no facts.
It’s incredible to see the response in the comments. These are truths that have always been in the text. Yet they have not reached the hearts and minds of many who are lost. And many who think they are saved. And now God is using Jordan to reach these people. When just a few years ago we were praying that Jordan would come to understand these things. I always knew he could be the hands and feet of Jesus. And here he is. Such an answer to many prayers.
Praying for both these men! 🙏🙏🙏 praise Jesus
please keep your religious fetishes to yourself.
Yes, amen!! Please save them, Lord 🙏
@@Jesus_is_Lord_316 do you have any idea how arrogant and condescending you sound?you think you are in the right and everybody else is wrong. religion is a pestilence especially christianity and islam.
"Pick up your cross and follow me". Catholics have always taught this though.
Crossianity.
Read Fulton J. Sheen’s , “Life of Christ”. It’ll blow your wig back. The man was a theological genius.
I read an apostle once... He said.. "it's so simple that a fool, though he were a wayfaring man from another country, should not err therein"...
The passage at Ezekiel 3:16 it's a good representation of just how simple the Truth really is..
@@jimhughes1070 Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation? Also, I believe matter is eternal - it can only move and change but not appear from nowhere - seems like common sense to me, but apparently not here in the US, what's wrong with that?
@@valinorean4816
I guess the short answer, would be a question...
Why would an organization "create"
A creator that clearly and openly condemns the practices of said organization?
That would be logically incoherent🥴
Jesus "proved" his ministry by preaching directly from Genesis to Malachi 😎... Without deviation 🧐
What do we have from Genesis to Malachi?
Condemnation and punishment for failure to observe the weekly Sabbath... idol worship
... And observance of pagan worship, doctrines, and their so-called holy days...
"Traditions of men with no basis in Truth ,
or...the obvious facts right in front of them"
Imagine the psychological mumbo-jumbo one would have to come up with, in order to justify creating an Entity that condemns the very behavior you enjoy on a daily basis!!
😎🤣
@@jimhughes1070 The Romans already tolerated the local religion (they had to, there was no other choice - the locals were really insistent); the procurator even cast a vote for the high priest! However, since this particular movement taught non-violent submission (1 Peter 2:13-18), it was by far the lesser evil (this was in the tense atmosphere before the War, remember), and the Romans were interested in promoting it, by creating an atmosphere of miracles around it (John 11:47-48).
@@valinorean4816
I want to make sure I got you straight... You're using the Bible to discredit Jesus 😭😎
The Romans clearly hijacked...
And replaced Jesus with the Pope...
Once popularly known as the... Anti-christ...
"In stead of Christ"
"Christ on Earth"
"Holding all the power and authority of Christ" 🧐...
Bring back to your point...
Wouldn't it be more logical to be skeptical and investigate those attempting to discredit the only escape from the coming judgement? 😎...
Especially in light of all of Jesus prophecy concerning the last 2000 years ...
(I know... So called Christian preachers everywhere say that all of Jesus's prophecies were fulfilled in the first century... Or won't be fulfilled until just before he returns 🥴)
Famines killing millions and millions...
Wars destroying more lives than had ever been seen before...
Ongoing and continuous... Sorry I'm fond of redundant synonyms 🤣...
And then toward the end.... Everything gets worse....
And then!!😭🤣...
Instead of the spotty persecution of the Jews..(yes God said he would draw out a sword after them... Continuously and ongoing 😎....
And then 😭🤣...
The whole world is going to be pissed off at the Jews!!... And try to bring them down for good 😎....
Just sayin'... Once you read the Bible before one condemns it 🥴
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I am so grateful for Jordan Peterson is the right is the crazy time we living today!
I am longer born again Christians! And did 5years theology and lot of things today Jordan said resonate so much with me with the deep of Christianity
He is a modern C.S Lewis
Crossianity you mean.Has nothing to do with jesus,,all about the cross.
When a student is ready, the right teacher will appear. I am glad Joe is opening up to the insights JBP is sharing here.
Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation? Also, I believe matter is eternal - it can only move and change but not appear from nowhere - seems like common sense to me, but apparently not here in the US, what's wrong with that?
The problem with Joe is that he’s so open minded, that he doesn’t have any discernment. Everything is allowed in. Everything is of equal value.
That’s actually not a problem really, by Jo doing that it gives people the opportunity to discern for themselves what’s rubbish and what’s not.
Which Jo core beliefs don’t necessarily reflect those he has on the show.
@@Beautyoutofruincame here to say this, so I second. I will add that because Joe is non argumentative most of the time, it allows a broader range of individuals willing to come on the show. It also allows him to be exposed to ideas he may not otherwise have been aware of.
I understand the original posters comment, but think for such a podcast, Joe has to check many of his personal feelings at the door. I bet there have been a few times a guest left and he told staff that, “that guys a quack!” Ha!!!
I wonder what this will do for him by the end.
That's why his show succeeds
You are full of yogurt. I'm sorry you are biased against the Gospel of the cross. It has the power to save you from hell.
This... and the greatest of the Beatitudes... "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven"... literally taking humility to the level of oneness with the will of the creator and gaining the kingdom on earth as well as in heaven.
The depths of Dr. Peterson’s thinking is just not from this world. God bless him!
It's the beatitudes... Obviously he read them many times!
Can't go wrong encouraging people to read the Bible!!!! 😎
I am glad he is bringing this to people. However, as a TLM Catholic for years our Priests have always emphasized this and I am truly appreciative for it.
Prayers for both Jordan and Joe that they decide to come home into Christ’s established church. The Catholic Church. Jordan is preaching the Gospel message on such a beautifully deep, Catholic understanding. It’s incredible what our God has done for us. We must join him in the way of the cross. We must be one like him. Jesus picked up the cross for all of us. Now we must pick up our crosses as well. We must die to self and live in Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church has always and will always teach Christians this essential truth. Come home, all who have strayed. God bless you.
the catholic church believes that a person can find faith with their natural mind - and they can do good works by their own desire ( will )
that is a lie
- faith is a gift of God and it is given to those whom God chooses - and all good works are done by the Holy Spirit
- please see my general comment to the presenter of this video
@@kablammy7the catholic church is the true faith, all protestant break aways are nothing more than a cult....
@@kablammy7 Wow, what a load of protestant heretical rubbish. The Catholic Church does not believe ANY of that.
@@kablammy7 The Catholic Church instead believes that a person can come to faith through God's grace working in their natural mind and free will, and that they can perform good works by cooperating with the Holy Spirit. Faith is indeed a gift from God, given to those who respond to His call, and all good works are done through the grace of the Holy Spirit.
See, you left out the full Catholic message which incorporates grace in cooperation with free will. Here are some important Catechetical citations:
"Faith is a gift of God, a supernatural virtue infused by him" (CCC 153).
"By his free will, man can either choose to accept the gift of faith or reject it" (CCC 160).
"The Holy Spirit is the master of the interior life, who pours out the grace of faith, hope, and love, and who forms the Church and sanctifies her" (CCC 688).
Where does it say purgatory is the Bible ?
I love that he points out about wanting to accomplish all you want in life. The only way to do that is to face all the bad that comes with life as well. There is no skipping around that. The only way to get through life; is to go through it. You can't hide from it good or bad
Our judgment of good and bad, right and wrong, keeps us split. In this inner division, the ego flourishes. “The day you are neither good nor bad you become divine.”Bernard Shaw
Jordaan is still trying to find the Lord through a a scientific experience... when the only way to have a relationship directly with rthe living God Jesus Christ of Nazareth is ONLY through the spiritual path 🙏I pray the Lord reveal himself to Jordan and Joe in a personal confirmation of the Holy Spirit.🎉
It’s the only way he thinks he can find him. Using what he is knowledgeable in. I don’t blame him but he needs to expand his horizon.
@@MrGabeMaldonado the logical mind is powerful on its own right ✅... the Lord sometimes must do something marvelous and unexplainable in a man's life to move him unto the spiritual path 🙏
"my people are destroyed for the lack of knowledge"
God is all about science... He created the world by Speaking... And the apostle said we could learn about God by looking at his creation!... Which is just a paraphrase repeat from the Bible Jesus preached out of... (I believe they were called sacred scrolls back then 💪)
@@sonnyrockwel1266
The hint is right there in your reply sir.... MIND.... SPIRIT... PNEUMA...
Most people haven't realized that God is invisible to the naked eye😂
That's probably why He had a 1500 page book produced... So you can know who He is... Without it, people just use their imaginations 😎...
That's why there are 33,089 different denominations😮
@@sonnyrockwel1266Yes I agree. We can’t do anything without the Lord’s help. You mentioned the mind being powerful but its with the heart that we must open and search for him. Man does not find truth, man must let the truth find him.
This + Alistair Begg’s Man on the Middle cross message = Daily Devotion
Just about the most important thing I've ever heard. In 2 minutes, Jordan Peterson made me finally realize that I've been looking at my SMALL in comparison to Jesus Christ's struggles, as a reason to complain, as I enjoy the MULTITUDE of blessings that I don't deserve. POWERFUL!
Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation? Also, I believe matter is eternal - it can only move and change but not appear from nowhere - seems like common sense to me, but apparently not here in the US, what's wrong with that?
Interesting no one talks about Jesus having fun,laughing,playing,singing,dancing....just morbid death,sacrifice,pain,suffering.
Jordon gets it mixed around 2:47, it’s not “the demand to walk the same way” that’s scary, it’s the conclusion that you already failed to walk that way and so you know beyond a shadow of a doubt where your going. Trusting in Christ’s work to save you 100% and a fruit of that faith being your obedience is what gives others that apparent conclusion
Amen
We take up the cross because he took our sin in his body on the cross. Galatians 2:20 ESV - I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Yes.... Many stumble at the word of God... It's supposed to be scary.... You're on the way to the lake of fire! 😎
Christians should abandon their preachers that are *tickling* their ears... Read their Bibles... And believe every word!!!
Jesus said if you want to live that's what you have to do... "Every word that proceeds from the mouth of God"...
"Why do you call me Lord... And do not the things that I say?"...
"Many will come in that day saying *Lord, we've been working for you all along!* And he will say who are you?" "Get away from me you unfruitful workers of lawlessness"
I can almost hear them now... Is the Angels pick them up headed for the fire....
"What do you mean we had to be obedient"? 😎
"That was part of the deal"?...
"I don't remember that!!" Not having read the 1,000 times it was mentioned in the Bible😢
This is brilliant. I practice Tibetan Buddhism and they have a meditation called Tonglen or taking and giving where you take on the suffering of all sentient beings and give them all your virtue and happiness in return. It would appear to be overwhelming at first but you generate so much good karma by doing this that you actually grow in strength.
I knew most of this but not because I'm brilliant like him. It was the rosary.
Passion of Christ is indeed sorrowful.
You are not alone, me too. Rosary helps us to see the pain and suffering which were inflicted upon our Saviour. The sorrowful mystery, when contemplating it while understanding human nature let alone the human nature of our Lord, we will see how painful it is.
Imagining what kind of agony that our Lord was waiting for, while he was praying in the garden, let alone his sweat turned into blood.
Humiliated like a criminal in front of thousands of people and how the crown of thorns pierced his skin while got whipped by the armies.
Lastly, died by cruxifiction.
Brillliant people don't believe in magic.
@@bogdankpyet they believe the magic that can cause a big bang
@@Ugar333 If you look at it like that all around us is magic. I might believe in that kind of magic too, forces and entities beyond our comprehension. But to pretend we know something about those by making up stuff (stories we call religion) is arrogant and ignorant. And the people believing in those man made bs are foolish. Walking and water? Turnig water into wine? Raising from the dead?? Come on. No wonder 50% of the population is below 100 iq, and majority of the other half are below 110 iq. The truth is; evil but smart men took those stories and turned them into greatest bs of all time, religion, so they could control lower iq people around the world, nothing more.
Jordan Peterson is a treasure to humanity 🙏🏽
What a brilliant man.
"Pick up your cross, deny yourself and follow Me" has been known, lived, spoken and written about by many for years. This is not a new understanding.
Not new if you already know it...
And only a few actually put it into practice...
Jesus himself told us that "many will claim"... But few are chosen 😎
That fact that it’s been taught for millennia but almost forgotten now is proof enough how far we’ve strayed from the straight and narrow
@@robertdeforest9682
Some days it feels pretty lonely out here 🤣... And then you run into somebody with their eyes opened as well 🙏👏👏...
“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters-yes, even their own life-such a person cannot be my disciple.Luke 14;26
@@sacredsounds4234
That was the beginning text of the message Friday night at church.. 🙏...
You're forgiveness is paid for (unless of course, you don't believe in the Son of God, .. if that's the case your present status is "dead in your sins"..."blind"... And cannot see the Truth)
... Getting all the way to eternal life will cost you everything!...
If you want to live forever you should follow Jesus advice and "count the cost"
Before you begin...
Jesus also said (among many, many other things)
"If any man puts his hand to the plow, and then turns away, he is not worthy of the Kingdom of God"
(That's a change in " status" 😎)
But the "Lord's Mercy endures forever".... If we turn again...
He will forgive! 🙏
WOW JUST WOW THE DEPTH OF REVELATION THIS MAN HAS ON THE BIBLICAL STORIES IS SO PROFOUND !!!
It was Constantine who was actually the founder of Christianity. He was the decisive factor in the Council of Nicea. It was under his pressure - because he was the emperor of Rome - that the priests voted for the divine personality of Jesus. He made Jesus a divine person. It was his creation, his invention.
He also changed Jesus’ birthday from January sixth to December twenty-fifth, the day of the solar rebirth. The twenty-fifth of December, which is celebrated all over the world, is not Jesus’ birthday. The whole idea of Christmas is bogus.
Jesus was born on January sixth, but under Constantine’s influence and power, it was changed to December twenty-fifth, the day of the solar rebirth. It is thought by the sun worshippers that the sun was born on the twenty-fifth of December. The whole of Christianity is living in utter darkness. Their Christmas is bogus - and the church knows it perfectly well but won’t allow people to know about it
I'll arrive at the same conclusion as Peterson here, but taking a different path.
Imagine your father sacrifices his 30 years of life work and savings to give you a house. That's great fatherly love. But, you trash the house, chose to live in homeless shelters instead, do all sorts of drugs, destroy its windows, all out of blind and irrational disdain and disrespect for your father. Your father has every right to take the house away, calling the police for trespassing, but he never does.
What message is your father trying to send you? Well, that he loves you unimaginably, and wants from you a full participation in that love, infinitely more valuable than the house. This love is given to you despite your gross disrespect. After what you've done, you cannot ever match this love, but it is right to fulfill your father's wishes as best as you can manage. So, you should repair the windows, go to rehab, live in the house, and work for the money to fix it.
This imitates your father's grace, in a sense, but the central message is the grace rather than the imitation. Does that look different, in an actionable sense, from making the imitation central? Maybe not, so maybe it's the same conclusion Jordan draws here.
This is what I take the classical Protestant approach to be.
Thank you for sharing this.
The central question... "Whose life are we trying to save here?"...🙏
The Almighty God has no *need* for any of us.... But if we are willing to...
"Strive (work hard) to enter at the Straight Gate. For strait is the gate and narrow is the way, that *leads* to eternal Life... And few there be that find it"🧐
Is crazy to know that some people are Christians and never heard this explanation before, the core of Christianity is "to take our cross and follow Jesus, suffering ourselves like he did before", it's in thé bible already. I live in a small town in Brazil and right here almost every Sunday Mass the Priest is saying it.
This is all true...but at its source is Christ dying for YOUR sins PERSONALLY.
The overarching themes and archetypes of the story are great and moving, but the ability to walk this path only comes from YOUR response to Christ's love illustrated by the gospel.
The distinction is this: that you aren't moved to change your life because Christ died for the whole world's sins (which He most definitely did), but because he died for YOUR sins, winning you a place in heaven and saving you from hell. His death for YOUR PERSONAL sins. That's salvation, that's His message.
I loved the words you used to explain it. Most people can burn this into their minds and remember it forever. And it's PERSONAL. I also loved J.P.'s explanation as sacrifice is love and love is sacrifice; it takes a mature person to realize this and to live his/her life accordingly. It helps TREMENDOUSLY if you pray and read the Word of God daily.
This is a reply to "knight forever"
@@jimhughes1070 Thank God that we are not judged by our behavior before or after salvation, but instead are pardoned for every sin through Christ's blood. Otherwise, no one could escape damnation, for all have sinned, and so have broken every law of God. Only the lamb is worthy.
@@knightFreedom
I'm sorry!... My intention is not to 'create chaos'....
I'm just here to observe....
I'm attempting to verify Google's claim that there are 33,089 different Christian organizations....
So far it's not looking good for us....
Imagine my surprised to discover yet another 🧐
Now, It seems it is possible for one to be a 'Christian' , by simply allocating the name 'Jesus' ....
Super easy! 🧐
Just ignore God's Word all together, and "follow your heart"....
To be honest I have heard your doctrine many, many times...
In bars, night clubs, from guys on the job that were actually 'high' at the moment they declared their 'doctrine'.
" There is no law defining sin, therefore sin does not exist."... Easy peasy 👏
Don't even have to 'ask' for forgiveness!
Before I go, a question.
Has the 'consequences' for NOT "reaching for the High calling of God in Christ Jesus" also been eliminated? 🧐
Scouring the news on the TH-cams this morning, it appears, to me, that the law of *cause and effect* continues in full force!
I'm remembering the apostle of Jesus telling us in order to defeat the temptation to Sin, "we must put on the whole armor of God"...
" Because the heart of man is deceitful, and desperately wicked"
" Think not that I have come to abolish the law... I have come to fulfill it"...." I tell you the Truth, not one jot or tittle will disappear from the law, till heaven and Earth pass away".... JESUS
(Hillbilly paraphrasing, easily fact checked...
But only by the Bible.)
Doing my best to not offend the little ones...
But it's hard to hold back when they're hanging by a thread, off the edge of the cliff 😲
If you humble yourself....(Obviously you're going to need a different preacher 😎)
And seek God's face, in Jesus' Name.... He will come to you and give you a new heart!...
And you can receive the Love of the Truth...
(FYI that would be the Words of God... That Jesus said 'every man would have to live by')
@@knightFreedom
From your mouth to God's ears.... Perhaps he should have mentioned it to His Word... Jesus Christ..
Jesus could have forwarded the message to his apostles!!....
Blanket forgiveness could have made it into the letters they wrote their churches!!
If only 🤔
Beloved, Jesus preached the Bible...
The sacred scrolls...
Genesis to Malachi 😎
If he hadn't he would not have been "the Word of God manifest in flesh"...
In fact it is he himself that is narrating to Ezekiel @ 3:16....
Also, the Lord could have just left out "all" of Revelation....
And especially those seven letters to the seven churches!!!😲
(If you muster the courage to read them you might need to have some Pepto-Bismol handy...
They will make your belly burn 😔)
Also John could have just "not written" his three letters just before Jude...He could have left his letter out as well 😡...
"Missing the mark".
it's bad... Ruins lives...
" Jesus came that we might have life!"
More abundantly!!
I never had that when I was sinning every day.... In fact I carried the weight of that sin constantly....
Actually having it "removed", rather than simply claiming it is gone, give us the perspective God desires us to have 💪
A few years ago I was working around my house (and I know this sounds crazy) but a voice popped into my head telling me to get a cross. I’ve had psychic experiences all my life, so I took the instruction/advice seriously.
Shortly after that I became seriously ill with pneumonia and pleurisy. I came within a hair’s breadth of dying. I believe that wearing that cross saved my life.
Never underestimate the power of the cross.
So you got sick AFTER getting the cross?? That voice gave you bad advice, because it convinced you to buy a cursed cross. Think twice before following voices in your head, friend.
Peterson is a force for good in the world today❤
Salvation has been watered down by most churches today who love to teach of it as a free gift just because you "believe", but have lost touch with what "BELIEF" really means - to trust in, commit to, entrust life with. It's the act of making God our LORD. That's why Jesus said we "must lose our life to find it", and "deny ourselves, pick up our cross and follow after Him". Even Jesus had to be doing the Father's will in order to do what He did (john 5:19).
And you may argue, "how can it be a free gift if it costs us our life?" Because when we lose our life we actually find it (what He's created us to do).
Forgiveness is free for the asking... Obedience is demanded... God doesn't have to give anyone anything... You are entirely correct sir... The "gift" of eternal life is given to those who believe and obey.... THE BIBLE.
It’s not fair to assume what Christians think about the cross
True, but every time I have ever had a conversation with a Protestant they insist that all you have to do is accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior and you need to do nothing more. First of all accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior to be "saved" is not mentioned in the Bible. The Bible says we are saved through water and the spirit. Secondly, even if you somehow extrapolate that from Biblical text it is the shallowest form of faith.
This is what Catholicism teaches, as well which is all wrapped in tradition pre dating the collections of books that made the Bible from the first church fathers
@@robertgasper2495 Hi Robert. I’m sorry u haven’t found your experience talking to Protestants fruitful. There are 2.3billion Christians in the world and within that there are many perspectives; varying degrees of intelligence, and so forth. It took me a while, but I learned a hard lesson about the pitfalls of stereotyping Christians-though I’m glad I learned it. Christ made the choice for salvation to be that accessible because we ourselves have repeatedly fallen short of the requirements to render our own salvation. And yes, it really is as simple as believing (however challenging you may find that to be). John 8:24 “That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I Am who I claim to be, you will die in your sins.”
Sanctification-doing the things that bring us closer to God-that’s where the challenge comes in. A lot of people make the mistake of conflating salvation with sanctification. The truth is, Christ did do the work for us when it comes to our salvation. But if you truly believe, it would show in your heart. And you would behave in such a way that mitigates your taking His sacrifice for granted as much as possible. You would find yourself in a constant state of gratitude as motivated by His sacrifice, or at least make that the goal in a world that persists in pulling you the other way-this is the part JP is talking about-not paying lip service to the idea of believing, but knowing what it actually entails and surrendering to it completely.
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life".
I hope this helps. And among the 2.3billion, I hope you find your community. God bless you.
"God knows the thoughts and intents of your heart"...
"If you don't forgive them that the sin against you... Your Father in heaven will not forgive you!"....
Pretty sure it's also not fair to just let people run off the cliff😂
@@robertgasper2495
I wouldn't get too haughty about being a Catholic brother... I can start listing the failures of that church...
But every time I try to post a very very long reply, TH-cam kicks it back😂
Hallelujah!!! I’m favored and blessed with $60,000 every week! Now I can afford anything and also support the work of God and the church.
Oh really? Tell me more!
This is what Ana Graciela Blackwelder does, she has changed my life.
After raising up to 60k trading with her, I bought a new house and car here in the US and also paid for my son’s (Oscar) surgery. Glory to God.shalom.
I know Ana Graciela Blackwelder, and I have also had success...
Absolutely! I have heard stories of people who started with little or no knowledge but managed to emerge victorious thanks to Ana Graciela Blackwelder.
Not being over dramatic however... I am not a religious man. Spirtual. Just not religious. This was a very profound revealation for me. Fascinating.
Christ’s bloody sacrifice on Calvary took place once, and it will never be repeated. To repeat his sacrifice would be to imply that the original offering was defective or insufficient, like the animal sacrifices of the Old Testament that could never take away sins. Jesus’ offering was perfect, efficacious, and eternal. We in the Catholic Church know this.
However, one must consider its eternal aspect. Jesus is eternally a priest, and a priest’s very nature is to offer sacrifice. In the case of Christ, the eternal sacrifice that he offers is himself. This is why he appears in the book of Revelation as a lamb, standing as though he had been slain (Rev. 5:6). He appears in heaven in the state of a victim not because he still needs to suffer but because for all eternity he re-presents himself to God appealing to the work of the cross, interceding for us (Rom 8:34), and bringing the graces of Calvary to us
It’s a common mistake to equate sacrifice with death. To understand the sacrifice of the Mass, it is essential that one understand the biblical picture of a sacrifice: It is always a gift; it is not always a killing. This is why Scripture can speak of a sacrifice of praise (Hos. 4:12) and the sacrifice of thanksgiving (Ps. 50:14). Besides offering lambs, the Israelites also made grain offerings, drink offerings, et cetera. One sacrifice was called the wave offering, and this was an unbloody sacrifice where the J would wave a gift before God to symbolically give it to him. In Numbers 8:9-15, the whole Hebrew tribe of Levi was presented to God as a wave offering. In a similar way, the Mass is an offering-a sacrifice-where Christ is presented before the Father.
THE FOURTH CUP
One must understand what Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ meant when He said, “It is finished”? (John 19:30). In order to understand what Our Lord and Savior meant, you must understand the Passover liturgy.
Passover was a covenant formed a sacred flesh and blood bond between Yahweh and Israel, making them one family. This family bond was expressed in relational terms of father and son (Ex. 4:22; Deut. 1:31; 8:5; 14:1) as well as husband and wife (Jer. 31:32; Ezek. 16:8; Hos. 2:18-20). Liturgical feasts and rituals were to signify and strengthen the family communion that existed by covenant between Yahweh and Israel.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ used the word “covenant” on only one occasion, and that was when He instituted the Holy Eucharist during the Passover celebration. “And He took a cup, and when He had given thanks (the Greek word for blessing “eucharistesas” was used) He gave it to them, and they all drank of it. And He said to them, ‘This is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many'” (Mark 14:23-24). Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior was the Firstborn Son and Lamb of God, there was a connection between Passover and the self-sacrifice by which the new covenant was to be established. The cup blessed and distributed by Our Lord and Savior was the third cup in the Passover Haggadah because the Apostles sang “Great Hallel” (Mark 14:26), and St. Paul’s mention of “the cup of blessing” - the third cup (1 Cor. 10:16).
The Passover meal was divided into four parts. First, the preliminary course consisted of a festival blessing (kiddush) spoken over the first cup of wine, followed by the serving of a dish of herbs. The second course included a recital of the Passover narrative and the “Little Hallel” (Psalm 113), followed by the drinking of the second cup of wine. The third course was the main meal, consisting of lamb and unleavened bread, after which was drunk the third cup of wine, known as the “cup of blessing.” The Passover climaxed with the singing of the “Great Hallel” (Psalms 114-118) and the drinking of the fourth cup of wine.
Instead of drinking of the fourth cup, we read: “And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives” (Mark 14:26). Not only is the omission conspicuous, it appears to be underscored by the words of Jesus in the preceding verse: “Truly, I say to you, I shall not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the Kingdom of God” (Mark 14:25). Moreover, you have Jesus’ prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane. “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but thou wilt'” (Matt. 26:39). Three times altogether Jesus prayed for His Father to take away “this cup.” John links Jesus’ “hour of glory” with the supreme manifestation of his love upon the cross (John 3:14, 7:37-39, 8:28, 13:31).
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Our King, Priest, and paschal victim, was in His hour of glory while suffering on the cross, made a profound gesture: “After this Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said “I thirst.” Jesus Christ Our Lord and Savior was thirsty long before this closing moment of his life. “A bowl of sour wine stood there; so they put a sponge full of the vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth” (19:29). Only John noticed that hyssop was used, the branch prescribed in the Passover law for sprinkling the blood of the lamb (Ex.12:22). This verse reveals something significant. Jesus had left unfinished the Passover liturgy in the upper room by not drinking the fourth cup. He stated his intention not to drink wine again until he came into the glory of his Kingdom. As we have seen, he refused some on one occasion, right before being nailed to the cross (Mark 15:23). Then, at the very end, Jesus was offered “sour wine” (John 19:30; Matt.27:48; Mark 15:36; Luke 23:36). But only John tells us how he responded: “When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, ‘It is finished’; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit” (19:30). It was the Passover that was now finished. More precisely, it was Jesus’ transformation of the Passover sacrifice of the Old Covenant into the Eucharistic sacrifice of the New Covenant. Calvary begins with the Eucharist and the Eucharist ends with Calvary. It is all of one piece.
THE HOLY SACRIFICE AND CONSECRATION
As noted above, the Holy Eucharist is the new covenant and prefigured in Exodus, in the miracle of the multiplication of the loaves and fish. The Holy Eucharist is reflected again Emmaus when Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ “took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it” to the disciples (Luke 24: 30-31).
The priest is in persona Christi and prays the Offertory prayers as a preparation for the Eucharistic Prayer and during consecration. The priest is in persona Christi because he will speak the words of Our Lord Himself at the Consecration of the offerings. The priest has to be the self-sacrificing image of Christ the High Priest. In the Tradeonai Latin Mass, ass of the Ages) which is the Mass I attend, the priest faces the Altar. He offers the sacrifice facing God or coram Deo. The priest, a mere mortal man, is not consecrating the sacrifice, but Christ Himself, who is taking claim of the sacrifice of the Mass.
Pope Pius XII wrote, “The august sacrifice of the altar, then, is no mere empty commemoration of the passion and death of Jesus Christ, but a true and proper act of sacrifice, whereby the High Priest by an unbloody immolation offers Himself a most acceptable victim to the Eternal Father, as He did upon the cross. ‘It is one and the same victim; the same person now offers it by the ministry of His priests, who then offered Himself on the cross, the manner of offering alone being different.’ The priest is the same, Jesus Christ, whose sacred Person His minister represents. Now the minister, by reason of the sacerdotal consecration which he has received, is made like to the High Priest and possesses the power of performing actions in virtue of Christ's very person.”
Consecration at Mass refers to the central moment when the bread and wine, by the words of Christ spoken by the priest and the invocation of the Holy Spirit, become the Body and Blood of Christ. The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration. The priest in person Christi commands the bread and wine to transubstante into the Body and Blood of Christ. The Church has celebrated this Sacrament from the beginning, as recounted in Scripture: "And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' teaching and fellowship, in the breaking of bread and the prayers" (Acts 2:42). This practice was the response to the desire of Jesus Christ himself during the Last Supper: "Do this in remembrance of me" (Lk 22:19; 1 Cor 11:24-25). With these words Jesus asks his disciples to accept the gift of his sacramental presence and to repeat it "until I come again" (cf. 1 Cor 11:26). The Sacrament of the Eucharist is not a simple reminder of an event that happened in history. It is the "fulfillment" of the "memorial of Christ, of his life, of his death, of his Resurrection, and of his intercession in the presence of the Father" (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1341) through the liturgical celebration.
Therefore, through the power of the Holy Spirit and the words of Christ, in the consecration "Christ is thus really and mysteriously made present" (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1357) among people so that they may be in communion with Him. We are blessed to receive Our Lord - even the angels cannot do this.
You don't seriously think that very many folks will read your whole diatribe, do you?
@@williamgreenfield9991 only the intelligent or intellectually honest ones. The lazy, stupid or people who are locked into a narrate will not.
@@Sole-tx9cx So you are a narcissist then. I could have guessed. So, a person can only be intelligent or intellectually honest if they agree with everything you say. Got it. And calling people lazy and stupid proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that you have nothing to say.
@@williamgreenfield9991 No, but clearly you are in the stupid crowd. You clearly do not comprehend my point, If someone has an attention span more than a gnat, they may read my comment. I did not say they had to agree, but they should be intellectually curious, honest and have the attention span to read.
@@Sole-tx9cx Calling me stupid again. Classy. And you have no idea how long the attention span of a gnat is, do you? Ad hominem attacks prove that, like most Christian apologists, you have nothing to say, no matter how long you drone on.
Love both these guys. Both rational straight shooters. They both call a spade a spade. Both are at the top of their game and therefore people of influence. We need more influential people like this in this messed up world. Its messed up because people are separated from God. Woke is believing that you are the god of thier own lives, and not acknowledging a higher power. Woke is a joke. Joke on those who are woke. Time to wake up. Pray for each of these guys to walk closer with Christ.
This is exactly how Paul came up with the first Christian lies, he kept squeezing his eye sphincters until the lies start pouring out of his brainstem.
Tell me more
congrats you get the blue ribbon for the more ignorant comment in this thread
Funny how Paul came up with the first Christian lies when he was a Jew that gave the thumbs up to kill the first Christians like Stephan. Ya 🤡
Paul wrote to and worked with the first Christian churches and apostles. He was not the first and their differences were very minor.
It’s the Pharisees, Saducees, gnostics and Arians who lied. And those who pretend there isn’t a patristic lineage of Jews who accepted Christ as Messiah out of a two powers monaltry understanding and incorporated the gentiles as prophesied.
Tell me then, what is the truth? Where is it found? What lies are you referring to specifically?
I need and want to this many times. Thanks for the video. Saved it for the future.
God bless my friend.
One piece of context that must be reckoned with: Christ actually existed. No one denies that.
He's either Lord, liar, or lunatic.
Yes I agree. It means all of this AND he actually existed in history.
its objectively highly unlikely that a human can trick everyone into believing he's the son of god while also spreading this insane amount of wisdom.
If we are being completely honest, he (Jesus) can have all the miracles that he was said to perform and it still doesn't prove that what he said was true and it doesn't prove that he was of divine pedigree.
He was born of a virgin? Are we sure we are using the most accurate of translations? I don't think so, but let's say we are. Let's say that it can somehow be proven that he was born without any l male intervention/assistance, somehow. As Christopher Hitchens points out, parthenogenesis is not entirely unthinkable. I would also add that Genghis Khan was said to be born of a virgin and yet, no one venerates him as of divine origin, or at least not anymore.
Also from Christopher Hitchens.
Jesus died and rose again. Ok.
Lazarus was raised from the dead.
The daughter of Jairus was raised from the dead. Did she say anything about what she had been through?
At the time of the crucifixion upon Jesus' death, all the graves opened up and their inhabitants greeted their loved ones. How many of them claimed to be divine?
If presented as historical events, it really shouldn't be surprising for those of the faithful to at least understand why it's difficult for the nonfaithful to digest this. If we are being honest with each other, and ourselves.
As metaphors tho, I will admit, there are some really good ones, but who other than Jordan Peterson presents them in such a way. No pastor I have ever met.
The story of Cain and Abel being on of my favorites. A metaphor about how claiming everyone and everything, even God, for your shortcomings probably isn't the best FIRST option you should take. Especially if you honestly ask yourself if you are making the appropriate sacrifices.
I'm going with lunatic. In the times that this Jesus fellow lived, people claiming to be the "messiah" were a dime a dozen. Paul, who never met the guy, thought he could turn it into a great way to con people, and it worked. Paul started Christianity, not Jesus.
Yet none of them have had any sort of impact on the world while Christianity has the played the biggest, Jesus the most prominent figure in history, and yeah, Paul who was well on his way to becoming a Pharisse to receive glamor, money and respect decided to give it all up as a con artist to be hated by his own, poor, beated and incarcerated constantly and finally beheaded by the Romans. Great logical argument bud. @@williamgreenfield9991
I really enjoyed this and I think I needed to hear this. It definitely gives me courage.
Jesus died for us and saved us is a “shallow” perspective?! Come on, man!
Amen
Being freed from my sin is only shallow if I have a shallow view of just how awful my sin is. Seems to me that's what Rogan is missing.
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What he's missing is the temperature of the fire 🔥
He died for you, so you must now die for Him. He lived entirely for you, now you must live entirely for Him. He suffered voluntarily for you, now you suffer voluntarily for Him. Symmetry. Beauty. Truth.
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Wow i really appreciate Mr. Jordan Peterson idea of the life and sacrifices of jesus Christ I've been thinking about this but not as deep as mr Peterson idea and often forget what is it all about but glory to God my lord and savior Jesus Christ that I've seen this.
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Well done, Peterson. Praise God for His great mercy and for the gift of the Holy Spirit to help us through it all.
The idea that Christ died for our sins is one of the biggest deceptions of Christianity. Jesus was a man who's purpose was to demonstrate what all humans are capable of because we all have God within us. Jesus allowed himself to be killed in the way he did because he knew it would serve the goal of establishing a legend and a guide (the bible) that would endure for centuries afterwards to preserve his messages and his example. Sin is a flawed concept (one that doesn't sync with the idea of an all-loving God) and I'm tired of hardcore Christians repeating the phrase "Jesus died for our sins".
The guide to preserve His message for centuries says He died for our sins. That's what we have that goes back by far the closest to Him in time. Saying He died for our sins doesn't exhaust His purposes in coming, but to deny that is to stray from the writings of those who knew Him and to create something else. You may say He didn't die for sin, but the earliest writers about Him disagree.
Jesus did die for our sins! I rebuke you and the devil and his minions 🙏Amen
It's both/and. He died for our sins AND he provided a model for us all. He said as much.
Thank you for this video and MOST IMPORTANTLY thank you for not talking in between it every other second! Great video! Thanks!
Mythology surrounding the crucifixion story? 4:30 mark. It's not mythology. Why is he calling it mythology?
Mythology it's not necessarily fiction. It's the body of stories around which we build our lives. We consider ancient mythology to be untrue but still illustrative. But the mythology of Christ, as with the mythology of the American founding fathers, is foundational referential and true.
@mikejohnson7210 well to the average lay person like myself, it makes it sound as if it's a myth. Just a story made up, like a fantasy.
@@katdunn7934 I understand, but the meaning of that word has nuance, and that is how Peterson is using it.
@mikejohnson7210 gotcha. Too over my head, I suppose. Thanks for clearing that up. I'm not as highly educated and don't use terms as he does. It's hard to comprehend a lot of things he says. I need the layman's guide to understand what he says many times.
@@katdunn7934 no shame there. Unfortunately a lot of times people do use the words myth and symbol to mean MERELY myth or symbol and often times in the a disparaging way. But Jordan isn't doing that here.
As he explained the need for tragedy to fall upon someone who is good and persecuted for being good…
Did anyone else think of Trump?
Am I the only one who always think of News Radio when it comes to Joe Rogan?
I am so grateful for Jordan Peterson is the right is the crazy time we living today!
I am longer born again Christians! And did 5years theology and lot of things today Jordan said resonate so much with me with the deep of Christianity
This is the foundation of why I am a Christian. The prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane metaphorically explains this & understanding the Trinity is needed. Christs faith in the Father as the Father allowed him to relate and forebear the worse death known to mankind to branch and allow all of mankind access to the Father. Christs casts down His Spirit the same as God cast himself down on Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane, so we can overcome the struggles and ways of the world to our ultimate fate, death, to a place of no more sorrow & no more pain. Christs death and resurrection is a representation of being born again & crushing the tortures of sin and the fall of man. Life is an adventure of redemption to righteousness, becoming Christ like, and representing Christ knowing we will fail everyday. This walk with Christ builds and when death approaches at your door, there will be no fear. Ask Christs disciples. With the Holy Spirit, through Christ, to the Father.
JP is genius, just today I overcame some big struggles and fears in my life and I see what he means about coming through it stronger and with a sense that it seemed like the spirit of God is with you to help you through it, at least my spirits were elevated so much that I felt like a spirit was present in me, it could be a combination of phsychological and biological sensations, but attributing it to the spirit of god gives it a brighter and lasting light, and something that helps give us pure ethics and units people, all good things.
Jordan Peterson. Unknowingly saving souls daily. I meet the Devil at the cross road, Alcohol sex.....................
I Studied Phycology = More Questions
I Studied Philosophie = Some Explanations of the human condition.
I Studied Religion = Found Christ, Saved
6:03 JP saying "as your courage grows, a spirit begins to develop within that gives you a strength that's commensurate with your daring," I notice that this works especially if your daring is opposite to voluntarily taking on the worst that life has to offer. For example, the Book of Romans we see 1:26 "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts." If one chooses to disobey God's laws and reject God out of sinful desire, that spirit doesn't leave, but commensurates with that lack of faith also. This is why JP says that this explanation makes sense psychologically, because it works both ways. This was profound to hear as a new 23 year old Christian for 3 months. Edit*: Thank you for the upload!
This concept is commonly taught in Catholic and likely Orthodox churches, so it's understandable why Jordan, though not a Christian, would have this perspective since he approaches it from a Catholic viewpoint.
Consider now the cross we face,
A symbol of the deepest grace.
It’s not just Christ who died for sin,
But what that act demands within.
Sacrifice is at the core,
Of all that keeps our spirits more.
In marriage, vows that bind so tight,
Are built on giving up the night.
For every whim we set aside,
The future's path is clarified.
The cross, it stands to show the way,
That sacrifice builds every day.
Imagine now, the worst of strife,
A tale that mirrors human life.
The best of men, unjustly killed,
By those whose hearts were cruelly filled.
Yet in that pain, a truth we see,
To bear the worst is to be free.
Christ harrowed hell, faced death, and fear,
To show us all what’s truly clear.
The call to us, so deeply placed,
Is to confront what must be faced.
To bear the weight that life bestows,
And in that burden, courage grows.
The message here, so stark and true,
Is that in suffering, strength is due.
For as you take on life’s cruel hand,
You build a soul that dares to stand.
So do not hide, nor turn away,
But face the dark, confront the day.
In every cross, a lesson learned,
In every trial, a spirit earned.
For in that walk, with head held high,
You find the strength that will not die.
The path of Christ is yours to tread,
Through sacrifice, you're truly led.
This is like saying that you have to know bad in order to know good.
Don't forget the other aspect of taking up the Cross of Christ.
How His GRACE will enable you to carry it. AND furthermore, without His Grace we are not capable.
You can always see how Jordan’s own brilliance stresses him out. Every time he talks.
This exact thought hit me like a lightning bolt to the forehead Feb 2021. Changed my entire life.
All the righteous works of human history put together could not save a single man from a single sin.
Jesus Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection offer forgiveness & justification to all men by grace through faith alone.
*John 12:32* _"And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself"_ Lifted up on the cross
Your forgetting a very important part. The word "Gospel" means "good news". What is the good news? The shortest answer. Is he has risen. He proved his eternal existence. The full context is that he was a virgin birth lived a sinless life, died because of our sin, and rose again. Christianity wouldn't exist if it wasn't true. we also see the truth of what Peterson is trying to explain. Is which the point of perfect love was lived on earth and is still here today. So the ability to not love showed prevalent since man existed. So it would always be necessary that God intercede to teach us perfect love of heavens standard. So not only does Jesus teach a philosophy of life, but he is real and interact with us, and that's personally my favorite part.
It didn't hurt that he continually repeated the beatitudes! 🤣💯
Through Faith in Jesus' sacrifice, death & resurrection - you can truly engage in this process without the fear of eternal damnation.
You can truly live in a personal relationship with Almighty God!
That is everlasting life!
“Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I complete what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church.”
A lot of people just goto church and live out there lives as is.
They do not want to dive into the depths of scripture and see the beuty hidden beneath the surface level story.
I read the NT a couple of times now and everytime i get something new from it it is amazing.
I believe for us christians it is of most importance to intimately get to now our creator. God bless
Let me correct peterson as reformed Christian: we believe when were saved Jesus Christ transforms us once weve accepted Him as Lord, God, and Savior of this fallen world! We gove glory to God for our being saved! Much love and peace with you all here.
Everything in this video is just fucking mind blowing!
What he said about the sacrifices is just I don’t even know how to describe it
So I’ll just say I’m glad Dr Peterson is around and helps me understand why having faith is so massively important for the betterment of society!
i knew all this all along and never read a book or listen a documentary about this.i dont understand how anyone dose t know and understand this😢
Wow! That was intense.
Zach, thanks for your post.
Nice lead in and then you got out of the way
"If a tragedy befalls a vaillan its just justice." - No. The tragedy is the good person becoming a villain, because there was no justice.
Jordan was nailing the meaning of Philippians 2:12 , "Continue to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."
We can all see Joe slowly coming to Christ, and if he finds his way to accepting Jesus into his life, then it will be a great celebration for all of us
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Jesus was always teaching. Working towards saving the souls and spirits of those that believe. When making sense of his teachings and the Gospel,.. I find it refreshing to hear this analogy of his works, actions and life as a man. Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ,.. Our Lord God.
Such a powerful description of life with God, and unfortunately, a life that so few are bent on pursuing.
Never forget an author I heard years ago. During WWII he and wife and children were put in NAZI death camp. He lost his wife and children. After war he remarried and had second family with kids. They were all killed in forest fire. All this but he still had caoacity of love. Amazing strength that can only come from God !
Interview by interview the seeds are being sown. Joe will accept Jesus IMO
I disagree with you on some traditions (since you mentioned "mass"as a reformed christian) but we agree on who Christ is and what He did for us! Bless you for fighting the good fight