Savage response! BTW Skallagrim you should play in the Medieval combat games (or what so ever the name is called). The participants there really lack the knowledge of using weapon, don't even mention armored weaponry tactics & skills.
except for the rayman franchise. that was allways fun. but yeah, best example is assassinscreed 5. the gameplay trailers had me so hyped, but the things that i was hyped for, like the "players freedom to choose" and the better parcour, haven't really turned out to be a thing. the parkour feels just like before except that it is even more broken than the climbing in ac 4, the buttons for upwards and downwards are really not all that usefull, and the "assassination opportunities" are just the same thing like the side missions before except for the fact that they trigger some events. wow that was rambly...
It's nice to see someone distinguish fantasy from reality for a game like this. always something about medieval techniques to learn from a game's unrealisms
atleast he did research (i believe) instead of those comments on irl medieval fight video's were everyone is suddenly a master at sword and shield techniques and other medieval fighting
About the katana cutting through armor, it seems all swords do that in the the gameplay. The biggest thing I personally noticed was how _slow_ all the fighting was...although until we get Matrix-level VR, that's a necessary weasel.
Ganondorf Dragmire Of course they do it in gameplay, as it would be difficult to implement specific anti-armor techniques. But in the trailer they only show katanas slicing through plate. Those pre-rendered scenes usually portray what is supposed to happen (story-wise, if you will), independent of game mechanics.
***** I suppose, but I honestly don't think this game is suppose to be realistic. It just looks like they tried to have cool game mechanics while throwing in some real sword techniques here and there.
Samurai armor was designed to absorb a blow not deflect it which was decently effective against the lighter Katana but you''ll have a bad time if you think that it would absorb a blow from a heavier weapon
But on the other hand a samurai Armour is not very heavy at all, which gives him a much better mobility and with enough skill the needed advantage to overcome the heavier and stronger armour of an knight for example. Atleast i dont think that a person within a heavy armour like the knight one, could keep up with the speed and mobility of a person within a light armour like the samurai does.
Dang there are quite a bit of weebs in the comments getting upset. Guys a katana is a terrible weapon compared to the other weapons in the game. During the times that the katana was used it was made out of terrible metals.
Folding the steel only serves to reduce the carbon content and spread it evenly. It still leaves a brittle blade that can't withstand the kind of stresses a european blade could.
WhiteBones Kara as were heavy for their size and weighed about the same as a long sword with the longsword being more durable and faster due to it being longer as well as being cheaper and well balanced
They didn't actually use Katanas for war except as a side-arm. They used primarily spears and bows. And they lived on an island with very little quality iron, so they did amazing things with what little resources they had, but those limitations still held them back.
indeed :) but a better thing to say might be that complete realism would probably not work for a multiplayer game at least. hard ware limitations, bandwidth, latency all that kind of shit would make the insane requirements for perfect realism practically impossible to play with and would probably have no balance at all :P some of the videos i've seen have some "the fuck?" moments i did take a look at the kingdom come game.. and that looks interesting :) not multiplayer.. but not all games need to have one, honestly some games should not have multiplayer/single player even though they do.... I just hope the AI does not have glaring holes in them.. most AI so far is fun enough in the start until you see the patterns/holes and then the rest of the game gets more like a boring step 1.. step 2.. step 3.. dead nice video in any case :) there will always be some strange bullshit when it comes to different technologies that clash together. but for the sake of argument. the gameplay basicly have the katana wielding samurai as a quick/nimble bastard but with low damage and it seems like there's also ressurect options, though i'm not sure you can do them on people that get executed. Could it be explained that the low damage is due to not going through armor but instead hurting the target in a similar (but less effective) way as a mace? and the bigger damage spikes comes from good hits on open areas and such? The samurai also get some other "classes" one have a effective weapon against armor (tetsubo).. but like some of the vikings.. next to no armor and luckily the naginata and odachi aswell all in all cant wait to test the game myself.. and i'm hoping for the best :)
Wehrmacht Lyle It will keep getting nerfed till throwing the sword does more damage, however i dunno how they will balance the "end him rightly" passive on the pommel throw being too OP!
***** Psh, please... Maximum Pommel Power would put Beerus to about 1/4ths his health in one hit... And I'm talking Beerus being SERIOUS, as in, not holding a single thing back.
They weren't used often, due to limited material, but shields did exist in Japan and would be used by Samurais- not a basic of combat, but more a tactic to get by arrows if a barrage is to be expected.
FORMINCRAFTIA From the birth of samurai til it's extinction. Samurai never use handheld shields Some pre-samurai Ancient Japanese warriors use handheld square shields. Limited supply my ass. They've built fleet of boats and even ocean-traversing ships do you think they don't have wood for just some shields??
Don't forget a Classic of Medieval fights, Mount and Blade, i think it would be awesome if you talk about it check it you may be interested and i'm sure a lot of your fans are waiting for it
IIRC M&B has the most realistic variety of medieval weaponry, also realistic models. For instance bastard swords, one handed swords, one handed axes, spears, etc don't really look all thick and fantasy-ish, they look like everyday medieval weaponry. The fighting system is more realistic than a lot of games, for instance Skyrim, in some ways, though games which are coming or are out like Mordhau, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, and For Honor do appear to have wards which is much more realistic than M&B and I believe Mordhau is the most dynamic since you have a full 360 degree attack and defense radius (meaning the instead of just an overhead swing, left and right swing, and thrust, you can cut, thrust, and parry diagonally too, and from any other angle). It also has half swording I believe. Chivalry has an M&B style directional attack system but defense is simplified. Personally I like how the spear in it has 2 thrusts instead of M&B's 1 thrust and otherwise smacking them with the shaft.
+Andrew Penman Viking Conquest DLC allows you to thrust with a spear overhead as well as underhand, which really helps I think. Spears kind of got the short end of the stick in earlier M&B.
Unfortunally real life sword fighting would be impossible in the computer world as it stands now. However im looking forward to what they can do with vr and room tracking. If they also can figure out some gloves to work with that the we may not be far off.
Yes and no. It's easy to add realistic animations/techniques...what's difficult is to simulate the awkwardness/human error without a very dynamic system.
I saw a VR dungeon crawler style game that someone was working on. The channel was called 'Node' but I forget the name of the game. It looks fairly promising. Game itself is not perfect, but the Vive looks like it's really good at tracking hand motion.
Wyatt Carleton I tried in the combat in the alpha. It's really one of the best, if not the best combat I've ever seen in a game. AI obviously still needs work, but besides that it's amazing.
Wyatt Carleton I'm hoping he makes a video on it, because it looks and feels great. I've been replaying the missions of the Alpha version over and over... it's addictive and I can't freaking wait to experience full-blown battles.
Historically accurate and historic event is not the same thing lol. Meaning that if you take a known battle and use the same kind of fighting but in modern times and/or at another location the event isnt historic but the fighting is historically accurate.
+Skallagrim im actually gonna have to agree with Scream. theres no denying that video is cool, but sometimes games just need to look cooler. if that means throwing out realism, im ok with it. a good example is Arkham Knight. can the average man kick a dude 20 feet into a wall? no, but batman can, and it does look cool.
+Scream Like You Mean It Agreed. As impressive as the 1sr person video is, fighting systems in games need to be engaging over hours upon hours of gameplay/time. As such there is an expectation of some dramatics as we see in film. Videos games are getting better at offering variety of styles, but true to life combat is better left for enthusiasts and for the skeletal framework on which to build on. Bushido Blade II way back in the day tried to keep things "real" and did it pretty well for the era, even offering a 1st person view. A shame the series has never been properly revisited, it'd be fun to see how it would work on modern hardware.
You could see a 'mordhau stroke' in the first Witcher-game already I believe! (They also consulted medieval martial arts masters for making the fighting more realistic.)
Englebert Magentaschweiger You don't need to use "Whirl" - the game even has a strong strike counterpart. Just use this alongside the Bear School-Armor and you're just as badass again ;-)
+Jermaine Prince Was just about to say exactly the same since I've just been playing the first Witcher game. Thanks to skallagrims points on halfswording I recognized that finisher which Geralt uses. On the other hand I was a bit disappointed of Geralts skills because he was not able to learn the method of how to end the opponents "rightly"..
wow what an awesome video to stumble upon!!! thx so much for making this and putting an interesting spin on videogames. subed and can't wait for more man
Brace yourself the katana cultists are coming. In all honesty I get a bit peeved when I see katanas being used in impossible ways such as slicing plate armor yeh katanas can do a lot of things but slicing through plate armor isn't one of them
Dominik Doherty What katana cultists? All I see on Skall's videos is people moaning/joking about katanas. I love his videos, but his comments section is depressing as fuck.
Ganondorf Dragmire Exactly. I don't see why people are bashing on katanas, katanas are pretty good for what they are supposed to be used (e.g. killing no- to lightly armored opponents from the quickdraw). I mean, sure, Katanas can not cut through armor - but neither can anything else and it is stil being done in many video games simply because the technology is/was not advanced enough to show proper sword fighting or because it would be too difficult to implement it in a fun and intuitive combat system. So, instead of bashing katanas to the ground why not take a look at them and ask yourself how they would actually perform when used by a skilled western swordsman against a guy in full plate. Would they break on the first strike? I don't think so - katanas are not that brittle. If you don't block but instead deflect you would be able to defend yourself without breaking your weapon. Also what about halfswording? Since Katanas are a lot sharper than western weapons - which isn't necessarily a good thing - you might actually cut yourself, but since only one side is sharp you could only touch the dull part of the blade. I think you would be at a disadvantage when using them but it would still be more practically than say, a stick.
Dominik Doherty I like Katanas, but I was one of the guys who called BS when I saw it cut through plate armour. As cool as they look, I agree that they are over hyped and exaggerated by most people on the internet. They're swords just like any other sword. They aren't meant to cut through metal armor, they are meant to cut through unarmored targets. I honestly get tired of all the Katana worshipping.
While they are exposing themselves by spinning, I see that the one spinning disorients and stunns the opponent before spinning and they use it to further disoreint and stun the enemy by builidng momentum.
Which is nonsense in real life. The only one getting disoriented from spinning is the one who does it. No trained fighter gets "stunned" from seeing someone twirl around like a fool.
+Soviet Toaster in like a fist two fist brawl I've taken a lot of elbows to the face and my nose is actually really f***** up from it but because I fight a lot I have a really high tolerance to pain so most of the time people have elbow me in the face and it really didn't do anything but make my nose bleed so if you did it to a night or day of Viking I'm sure it wouldn't do that much unless he was a very new person at hand-to-hand combat then you might hurt the dude by breaking his nose I can understand where you're coming from but if the person is well-versed in hand-to-hand combat then I don't think you would do that much specially if the dude had a helmet even the Vikings helmet has a nose protector so really you just elbowed him in the mouth which would hurt but Viking probably would have a high pain tolerance so you just spit the blood out and keep fighting
Keep in mind folks, still a video game. Much like Forza 6 and GT can only accurately portray so much realism before coming unplayable, your character is still controlled by a joysticks and buttons, and none of us (or at least in the upper 99 percentage) are actually trained medieval knights. Awkward spins and telegraphed swings are vital to making a game fun and playable. It gives us time to counter/block/move as the opposing player.
lol, he made a video about the pommel being unscrewed or something like that, in the past and how it was effective, or something to that matter... I don't remember.
+Andrei Gabriel LoL.. unless fighters routinely bent their backs in such a way to break the spine and spam reverse overhead / spinny moves.. I'd say no.
nudl3Zz What do you mean by "best stuff"? They just have different stuff, which is acutally the point of the game. Factions with different approaches to combat compete. So maybe the knight is better protected by his armour, but also is hindered by it in his movement and situational awareness, a problem a light armoured viking doesn't have. And the viking is probably used to fight straight up, with the simple goal to defeat his foe just by himself, while a Samurai may also be schooled in tactics and practical psychology. There are several factors by which you win a fight, not just your equipment. :D
jewoo han he has a few videos on chivalry from years back th-cam.com/video/9gHQby3VF40/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/up64TS62QT8/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/uQB2rsdvN7k/w-d-xo.html
***** And is still the best first person slasher on the market, mostly due to lack of any notable competition. I'm not saying it's realistic. It's just better than anything else there is to put against it.
Yeah but it's still a popular game with several servers holding 46+ players and full on weekends. I would be interested to hear his opinion on its combat.
***** It's also the most bullshit spinning rainbow slashing face hugging nonsense and as far away from realism in terms of combat as possible. The high level techniques used in that game and the most effective ones are as far from real as possible.
For all the people who say its to unrealistic, Would it be fun if you are a viking with like no amor vs a knight with heavy amor.... you would take like 1-3 hits and the knight would take like 50 before breaking armor.......
Vikings literally destroyed what is known currently as the UK to the point where the original peoples of Britannia no longer exist. Vikings and the Norse Gods of men were average or 6'7 in height and extremely strong. Armored knights didn't really stand a chance.
Amperzand I am aware of that. Vikings were still killing enemies that wore thick studded leather on top of chain mail. That's more than can be said for a lot of the Vikings or Norse. Not to mention plate isn't that affective. Plenty of Viking weapons can pierce plate armor. No one is going to last 10 hits.
But vikings got messes up more but they took a form of what you would call lsd/happy pill and this gave them a bost of adrenaline, you may ask how I know this, I am a descendent of the norse vikings and its been past down.
"The bs infallible portrayal of samurai needs to stop" Can we address that naked vikings and armour knights take the same amount of hits to kill? Or that Every weapon in the game can go through armour? It's a game, and it doesn't actually portray historical Samurai.
+SendarSlayer Or that multiple heavy hit on your head won't kill you but after you just have to follow it up with a small hit on the flank to kill that person xD
On the topic of spinning and flourishes, I recently re-watched Shanghai Knights (I know, I know) and was wondering what your thoughts on the final fight scene were, with the duel between Jackie Chan and Littlefinger (fucking Littlefinger is in it, I completely forgot!) Apparently, since Jackie's stunt team were used, the sword fighting was primarily more Eastern than Western, but since I'm an expert in neither, I can't say. I can say that it looked great from an entertainment perspective, though. I also wonder if flourishes and twirls and spins could be used psychologically in a duel. I mean, realistically and practically, it would most likely be far too risky to even attempt it, and when the goal is survival you would want to minimize all risks, but could it be used as a psychological weapon in the right hands, against the right enemy, in the right situation?
***** Oh, yeah, absolutely. I didn't mean to imply that Chinese techniques weren't about efficiency of the kill, or anything like that, it was merely a comment about the people fighting and the style, more than the realism of it. And I completely understand the need to make things flashier to entertain (and I'm so glad they do) and realize that it virtually no one would ever fight like that in real life, however, I still can't help but wonder if anyone's ever used those overly flashy flourishes in actual combat. It wouldn't work against an extremely skilled opponent, or someone who could keep their cool in the heat of battle, but surely there were people who were cocky enough to try.
Smexi Jebus Technically, you most certainly could do that, but why waste the time to begin with? The longer you are in the fight, the higher your chances are that your opponent gets a strike in that you didn't anticipate, getting you hurt or even killed.
MadnerKami I realize this, and realize that no normal person would ever want to extend the time of the battle, but that's why I added the 'cocky' caveat. Let's face it, there's been some absolutely insane warriors in history, and the ones we know about are usually just the ones who were insane _and_ accomplished great feats. I just can't help but wonder if anyone's successfully and consistently implemented the use of fancy and unnecessary flourishes in combat. That's all.
***** I do the same c: And yeah, I'm just curious as well. I have absolutely no illusion that utilizing it in actual combat is far more likely to get you killed than anything else, and that there are far more efficient and safer methods to psychologically intimidate or distract your enemy, but I find the idea quite interesting.
Hahaha no. The only thing worse than Japanese weeabos are Europhiles like you. Samurai were highly trained, well-equipped soldiers just like knights. It would be much closer to 50/50, maybe a slight edge to the knight due to better armor but that's it.
One of your complaints about the game is spinning, but that can be answered easily, in the game most of spins were heavy attacks, they were designed to be slow and sometimes predictable, that's why in the Alpha or Beta test you could see people punishing heavy attacks (usually spins) with a fast weak attack, so yeah, spinning is an option in the game that is taken at it's own risk. About the armor, yeah it's unrealistic, but how would a Samurai even be competent in battle against a knight? Because Im sure Knights win in the weapon and armor aspect, so If it was realistic, then picking Samurai would straight up be a debuff For the player. Finally, I also recognize Vikings in the game aren't like in real life, but Ubisoft isn't aiming For the Skallagrim community because they probably don't even you're a community, they're aiming to the public in general, so they put some fantasy inside to catch the attention of the general public.
SharkByte game theory's video describes why in detail at the time the samurai would win due to their practice of horse back archery, go watch it very interesting
I've already seen that terrible video. It's full of historical inaccuracies. I have nothing against the guy but he needs to do more research before he pumps out a video. It's such a waste of time and so many people like yourself have fallen to believe his information as truth.
in a war, vikings would probably lose due to their lack of cavalry. in a duel, samurai lack of shield eould probably costs his life. but the most defining factor is not their equipments, but their skills
i think the ranking would be 1.knights 2.vikings 3.samurais. a lot of samurai worship just comes from shit weebs have invented. the era of samurais which most weebs praise (with the most iconic armor and katana) very little fighting actually happened from what ive read, and the sword became mainly a ceremonial item. so much for the 'legendary folded steel' lol
+Sir Drand nope. it's just a non-consumable item, you can pick it back up and you always get it back after each match. All other pommels are consumable 1-time-use items.
I like how in this game the samurai and Vikings to an extent can take way less damage than the Knights because the Knights have steel armor against fur and leather or wood
Backon Lazer yea orochi the basic samurai doesn't really have a guard so he has to parry or dodge everything then counter attack because he just can't win straight on against someone like the raider
You guys should play around with some boiled leather, it can stop a glancing sword blow. Some of these samurai I am sure are using that version of the O-Yoroi
This channel showed up out of nowhere. I don't know why it showed up but, damn, I'm digging these old weapon lessons. Keep up the good work, you Celtic Viking Punk. You make old things sound cool!
Surely if you're wearing plate armour (or indeed any kind of armour that offers resistance to cuts/thrusts) the risk of spinning is pretty negligible? I don't imagine it's easy to identify a gap in somebody's armour in the time it takes them to complete a spin. In that case, why not spin? Imagine the force you could impart with a spinning murder stroke.
Quite the opposite actually... Many suits of plate armor are open on the back of the legs, and sometimes arms. s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/a7/97/15/a7971581505c1ea02e8f7595a331e51b.jpg There are plenty of reasons not to spin (losing sight of the opponent, over-commitment to an attack, poor footwork, etc).
Spinning is mostly pointless, although the one possible way I could see it being practical is in a 1v1, and in a situation where absolutely positively HAVE to hit this person with all possible force...
I bet round house kicks are 100% useless too... People dont expect it. The first MMA match I went to I watch a kid knock this guy out with a spinning backhanded strike. It created so much force that you could hear the crack though he audience. He dropped like a sack of potatoes. The time it takes to react to a move you are not trained to react to is far greater than the standard moves. The thing we always say is, the news guys always pull off some of the crazy shit, purely because they dont know how you fight yet, as Ironic as that statement is.
+Skallagrim would you recommend any realistic or historically accurate games of the genre. or do i have to stick to just watching videos and never getting to play with a sword because of my counties stigma towards them.
+Skallagrim Would you agree; when it comes to video games, Realism is a bogueois? A word said more for its own sake?Because video games are determined by a computer, which means the game, like the computer only takes account of what it has available to it and therefore only applies what the designers allow it to.
+Kylo Ren Some people do. I for one wondered the same things, how realistic and accurate it was out of curiosity but I think most people realize that you have to fudge things in order to make it cool and fun and balanced for the game's sake. Anyway I'm super stoked to learn more, hope I get into the public tests and eventually play the final version. :D
+James Gitonga Check out Mount & Blade: Warband. It's not the prettiest thing but it's a pretty cool medieval battlefield game where you can hire warriors and go conquer a Europe-like land for great honor! Also there's that Chivalry game, first person multiplayer thing, not sure about the accuracy/realism there.
+fuge74 It could be dealt with in the same way as European armor. Using half-swording to thrust the point into the gaps, striking the helmet and other parts with the pommel or crossguard.
On the contrary; by the early 15th century Western European armor covered most of the body and the gaps got smaller for a century or so. Look up "Italian white armor", "German Gothic armor", or "Maximilian armor".
that was if your family had the money to buy it though, also some preferred not to always use that armor due to the amount of difficulty it required to take them off alone having armor protecting vital parts of your body could at times be far more practical
That depends on the century you'd be talking about. i'm not so good when it comes to remembering numbers, but i think what you're talking about happen around their earlier periods when plate armor started to become available to most. in later centuries, right before guns become widespread enough for heavy armor to be pointless, plate armors're fairly common.
I know this comment is very old, but nope; weight was absolutely not a problem. There are tons of videos on youtube showing that it was very easy to move around with feudal plate and it wasn't that heavy. Especially because most knights would have trained in armor since a very young age, so they would have the strenght to do it. Plus, if you talking about expense you could say the same about vikings and samurais. Most families wouldn't have money to buy chainmail or a good helmet for their warriors and the same goes with Samurais.
***** I actually tried it myself while i was active in reenactment. You would wear gloves to anhance your grip. It won´t slide. I even gripped the blade of my opponents sword. As long as you keep a firm grip, it´s perfectly fine.
What's the best sword for 150 dollars or cheaper, I want it to be able to do something super easy like cut a watermelon, just the common stuff that you don't need a super sharp sword for.
Most likely you're going to hurt yourself with a cheap sword. Get a training one and bash random shit with that. Trust me cheap shit can break and easily cut you and if you don't have training you are 90% likely to hit yourself at least once when you get over excited. Swing a training/sparring sword or a stick around and bash shit while you save up for a real sword. Blunt swords can still cut flesh with a swing so be careful.
Played it a bit now and noticed, they even half sword. The guardian class (longsword) has an execution where he halfswords to get the blade between chestplate and helmet. He doesn't stab but cut the throat of his opponent, but he halfswords while at it.
Mordhau lol :D Im german and that would sound soooo wierd ^^ "hau" is just the kind word for hitting someone, like punching. While "Mord" means "Murder", sooo wierd
The combat demo is for backers only so Skal would have to back a minimum of I think $45 to play the alpha. However the current alpha version is a lot more than just the combat, although that was the most anticipated part.
What was the point of the video because it seems like it was to strut your ego when you were wrong about a few things. Pretty much every point you made. Do you have ANY swordsmenship training that isn't just theory? I mean actually fought another armored fighter in a til defeat or point system?
"How realistic". Not "is it realistic". He's not shitting on the game in anyway but just teaching so to speak. I found this video enjoyable. But maybe it's because I'm not closed minded. These kinds of videos are the reason why games we play can become better. This is good feedback. Pray this video gets out to future games like for honor so we could have a proper realistic combat system.
Mr115Whoopee 6God i had fun to whaching the vid but i think the combat system is good in for hounor plus to make it better and more realistic would be hard
pre-rendered cinematic trailers. these tell you nothing and anyone thinking of buying the game based on this should be wary- certainly don't pre-order.
Caramel Johnson I know, and I follow that principle- but pre-rendered trailers are the most heinous of things.... unless there's actually some artistic merit to it- and even then, you have to see gameplay first. You might guess that I'm thinking about fallout 4 as I write this. It has been the only game that I've even considered pre-ordering in.... fuck..... 6 years.
the game has flat top helms which were later changed to the pointed tip known as the sugarloaf helm. readon because flattop became an easy target. opponent can hit the top of the helm easily so it was a vulnerable spot
Yeah I noticed that... They actually aren't Slicing through the armor but going for the crack and weak points(Such as the stomach armor and the Space between the shoulder and the neck...)
+Skallagrim Check the choreography in Withcer 1. Geralt uses a murder-stroke in one or two heavy-style combos. It also shows a fairly reasonable way of drawing a sword from a scabbard on the back i.e half throwing the sword out, grabbing by the blade and turning it right way around quickly.
It was really disgusting how crazy the chat was during that livestream. I loved what you guys were saying but the chat ruined it making it impossible to ask questions.
***** If you do see this then I would like to ask a question if you don't mind and have enough time. Has the bear and the helm on the logo has anything to do with berzerkers?
Realism (not just historical accuracy in particular) often has to be sacrificed for the sake of game balance. Vikings usually only had a helmet and some padding. Maybe a mail coat. Samurai wore a coat of plates, which is better. Renaissance knights wore the iconic plate armor, which provides the most complete protection of the three. Additionally, Renaissance European swords were designed with tips that made them effective at getting around armor. Early European swords and Japanese swords of any time period really weren't. If one of the three classes has both the best armor and the weapons most effective at penetrating armor, then no one would play the other two. For game balance, if one class has the best armor, they would also need the lowest offense. (If I were designing it, I'd make Vikings damage-dealers, knights tanks, and samurai a hybrid between the two, but that's just my opinion.)
Noah Weisbrod that just because yo uare a pig,it's very possible for big studio to make realistic combat,but,they will never do it because of peoples like you.
This game starts with a premise that limits it. If combat in the game were more realistic, the game would be completely broken, because a knight's kit is just objectively better for this kind of fight than a samurai's or Viking's. Now, if a game were all just one kind of fighter, then you wouldn't need to sacrifice realism for game balance. HOWEVER, your reflexes in real life are much better than your reflexes while watching a character and moving via controller. If all game animations were as sudden and quick as real attacks, then almost no players would ever be able to react to anything. In Dark Souls attacks are unrealistically telegraphed so players don't feel cheated when they get one-shot. In real life, there sometimes are scenarios where you have no options, but those scenarios make games too frustrating to be worth playing. With the limitations of technology today, I still doubt that a fully realistic fighting game would actually be fun. (Now, if we ever get SAO-like virtual reality...)
***** You're not like most people though. people like myself have to have the mindless bad ass totally unrealistic battle engines. Like Assassin's Creed or Shadow of Mordor. Where you can fall into a pit of 50 Orc and slaughter them all. I do find realism to be refreshing every now and again. Until 3 to 5 minutes pass and I throw the controller. ;)
+SquareOne For Honor isn't out yet either. In fact this video was based purely on cinematic footage, so an analysis of Deliverance based on the available gameplay footage/beta would be doable. That said Skall said in the video he wanted to wait till it was released so yeah, just wait.
+SquareOne I didn't say OP said that, I was suggesting that could have been done instead of waiting for the game to be released, exactly as what was done in this video.
+SquareOne Okay, let's explain this to you in detail, so you understand: flukshun first part of his first comment was aimed at you. Oh, wait, not much more detail needed. You simply misunderstood his comment and acted like a douche afterwards :D
Delano Santiago spartans? would be interesting to balance spears, and persian? ...some cheaply equipped rag covered soldier? why? (the immortals from the movie were complete bullcrap)
Manic Oasis I know the ones in the movie are BS but if figured curved weapons or something like that. Idk why but Persians came up in my head. Spartans I think would be better
Killaflavour I thought that at first but I think the Spartans fit better with the "Honor" part of the game. The Romans didn't exactly fit that as well as the Greeks did and they're fighting style isn't too different either.
I think they should do a classic soldier pack.. roman legionnaire as the sword class, Hoplite as the spear class, Khopesh swordsman as an assasin class and maybe a Celtic/Gallic Cheiftain as the heavy class.
Finally someone who's actually willing to stand against the weeaboos who think samurai were the deadliest motherfuckers around. Martial talent aside, more iron meant more Armour. Katanas are cool but it doesn't take too long a look to see how ineffective they would be against plate.
Samurai's knew the weak point in an armor. i did kendo for years and we trained to attack those weaker points like the wrists, inner elbow, sides from the body, inside from the knee, throat...
Flemish Templar but what would you do against a full suit of armour? And the in the gaps was mail and under the plate and mail was a gambeson... A katana wasn't a weapon to fight in a war. For a war you do have polearms.
Just a guess here, but in one of the trailers it says that the three races have been at war for a thousand years. A lot can happen in a thousand years, maybe and I'm only saying maybe when the Samurai first fought the Knights, they probably came a crossed this problem, the fact that they're swords can't cut through plated steel. The Samurai could have made they're swords far more durable and sharper. That or they strike weaker parts of the armor. Did I mention this is a guess and a HUGE maybe, I'm going of of game logic here.
neckbeard basement dwellers have turned the katana from a basic sword to some god like weapon with razor sharpness and that never breaks. in reality a british longsword would fucking destroy a katana in terms of lightness, durability and craftsmanship.
I've been playing a valkyrie in For Honor for the past week (spear and shield) and I love your discussion about the silly spinning. I win the majority of my battles for that exact reason: I get in several quick jabs with the spear while some swordman is twirling around like they're in a ballet.
Whats up with people getting up this "is this game realistic" trend? People were crying about Bf1 being inaccurate WW1, now people getting into "For Honour" gameplay. Whats next? God of War? Legends of Zelda? Assassin's Creed? Game are for fun, not for realism.
Not necessarily. You are correct that a game does not need to be realistic, but some do strive to achieve it e.g. Metro 2033/Last Light, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Red Orchestra, Chivalry, ARMA, etc. I believe that many people expected For Honor to try the same.
Hawkpath1337 Excellent! Time for a celebration! CHEESE, FOR EVERYONE! Oh, wait, never mind. Cheese for no-one. It can't be much a party if you don't like cheese.
They clearly ARE trying to make it as realistic as posible. seeing how they are using historical armors and weapons and not something like Dragonscale armor wich would be very hard to make since there is no dragons to get scales out of. Sure you could arque that there is vikings with horns but mehh.. thats not as big of a deal as FEMALE SAMURAI, there has been some(pls correct me if i am wrong) called Onna bushi or something but they did not wear batle armor and used naginatas.
They aren't trying to make this game as realistic as possible, see katanas cutting through plate armor. And again, the rights of females aren't even a question of realism. Sure, if this were Japan, France and Norway, even though Norway was a christian country that didn't actually raid at the time there was plate armor, yes it would be unrealistic. This isn't Japan, France and Norway however, so it doesn't matter.
Impaleification Joan of Arc was hardly a knight. She never fought, and her only injury was an arrow to the shoulder. She literally just kept in the back and inspired the men to charge forward. Feudal Japan was incredibly patriarchal. Female samurai were not a thing. Japan takes a lot after china, which similarly restrict their women to the house. Women in some rare instances did hold the distinction of either "Dame" or "onge-buisha" is what I think it is called in Japan, but this was for the most part for court purposes, such as the wife of a knight etc.
Katana not being able to cut through plate armour? Like what the hell are you even talking about? A single good hit of a katana can slice a rock (which a friend of mine has seen live), let alone stab or slice through plate armour...
I can assure you that no man-made sword can "slice" through rock, because that would imply that some cutting was involved. More likely (and only possible) scenario was that rock was hit with enough force to shatter it from the middle, which isn't impressive at all, you could accomplish that with blunt steel bar. Steel plate, however, isn't nearly as hard as rock, which means it will not shatter no matter how hard it's hit. And since swordblade is more fragile than plate armor, it will break before you get in even a good dent. And tell your friend to stop hitting rocks with swords, that's just all kinds of dumb.
Oh christ, you cant slice a rock, even if you took the most superior steel we have to day such as CPM S110V, or CPM S90V or ELMAX...its not possible mate. And for the record, Japanese steel back in the days where shitty, and thats why the Japanese had to go to such extent to purify it. The end result was still not impressive compared to steels in other places at the same time, not to mention compared to today. But im sure ninjas can fly and all that shit...!
your mixing swords up with angle grinders mate. you can cut rock with tc diamond cutting disks but not with swords, even a tungsten alloy sword wouldn't cut rock.
First video I've seen from this guy, he's knowledgable not cocky/arrogant, and pretty good at being realistic about something like a video game and where it is realistic but not as historically accurate. Doesn't hurt that he looks like a badass Viking.
you could say that the telegraphing from last week bit was when he was trying to smash him down and break him before he died, thinking he had already won, in battle it would make sense for someone to be angry enough at an opponent that he forgets technique.
an interesting thing I notice with armour is it's about to go full circle. before guns the best armour was a non rigid layer (chain) reinforced with a rigid layer (plate). modern armour is currently a soft layer (Kevlar) backed by a rigid layer (steel or ceramic) and it may soon go to full body similar to knights had.
As for spins in martial arts, this is mostly useful when fighting several enemies (as you would have to turn your back some of the enemies) or when are trying to deceive the opponent. There is a staff technique in Joachim Meyers Art of Combat, where you turn your back to your opponent, waiting for them to rush in with a thrust, then you spin around, parry their thrust and strike them through the head (as is tradition). Meyer actually comments that it will only work once for an opponent, and that it is risky.
About that shield technique. They have made it in game exactly like you described it. One of the classes makes the shield a part of his one handed weapon, which is nice to see.
You were born centuries too late Skallagrim
No thanks, I like our current standards of living, technology, medicine, etc.
You played the alfa? In that case, you have anything more to add to the video or?...
Azkan An
No, I haven't gotten alpha access.
I believe it was a playful joke.
Savage response!
BTW Skallagrim you should play in the Medieval combat games (or what so ever the name is called). The participants there really lack the knowledge of using weapon, don't even mention armored weaponry tactics & skills.
"I have an itch on my back, could you please scratch it with your axe?" Lmao! Love this dude.
I hope they add the ability to throw your pommel. As a means to troll in game. Instead of teabagging. You throw your pommel
Joshua Brown So... yes. Yes yes yes.
Joshua Brown Has to happen.
Joshua Brown Gotta "end him rightly" somehow.
Joshua Brown Hear, hear. And there better be an animation where your character fervently unscrewing the pommel in the middle of a fight. x)
Joshua Brown End him rightly!
How realistic is Ubisoft releasing a game same as the demo?
I guarantee you the demo was the final game just with blocks to prevent you doing anything.
If Ubi were a car salesman they'd sale you on a Ferrari but what ships to your house is a Pinto, so yea I'm cautious.
except for the rayman franchise. that was allways fun. but yeah, best example is assassinscreed 5. the gameplay trailers had me so hyped, but the things that i was hyped for, like the "players freedom to choose" and the better parcour, haven't really turned out to be a thing. the parkour feels just like before except that it is even more broken than the climbing in ac 4, the buttons for upwards and downwards are really not all that usefull, and the "assassination opportunities" are just the same thing like the side missions before except for the fact that they trigger some events.
wow that was rambly...
@bladewolf VII no!!! AC4 is the best!!! I bought a brand new GTX 970 for that!! And I get 24 fps. /scarasm
Little more realistic than me winning next Polish Kendo Championship. And no, actually I'm not trained in kendo. At all.
The katana blade was coated in jet fuel. Of course it could cut through steel armor.
+HCSR2 #Jetfuelcantmeltsteelbeambutkatanascan
#samuraidid911
+HCSR2 U cant cut chain mail u can stab it tho
WayneTwitch
A 757 can.
+HCSR2 bravo sir! you reached deeeep into your ass for that one XD
Best comment thus far!
It's nice to see someone distinguish fantasy from reality for a game like this. always something about medieval techniques to learn from a game's unrealisms
atleast he did research (i believe) instead of those comments on irl medieval fight video's were everyone is suddenly a master at sword and shield techniques and other medieval fighting
About the katana cutting through armor, it seems all swords do that in the the gameplay.
The biggest thing I personally noticed was how _slow_ all the fighting was...although until we get Matrix-level VR, that's a necessary weasel.
Timothy McLean Yup, all swords probably do that in gameplay, but people find it fun to bash katanas as usual.
Ganondorf Dragmire
Of course they do it in gameplay, as it would be difficult to implement specific anti-armor techniques. But in the trailer they only show katanas slicing through plate. Those pre-rendered scenes usually portray what is supposed to happen (story-wise, if you will), independent of game mechanics.
***** It happens in all games with swords, people just seem to notice it more with katanas. Elder scrolls, assassins creed cinematics, everything.
Ganondorf Dragmire
In general, yes. It just seemed odd in this game, since it's overall pretty realistic.
***** I suppose, but I honestly don't think this game is suppose to be realistic. It just looks like they tried to have cool game mechanics while throwing in some real sword techniques here and there.
Not to mention the fact that samurai armor would be nearly useless against an battleax or broadsword
well not exactly
+austin waggoner No... It would be almost 100% useless. It was like made of cloth, some leather and iron and shit. Not even steel.
Samurai armor was designed to absorb a blow not deflect it which was decently effective against the lighter Katana but you''ll have a bad time if you think that it would absorb a blow from a heavier weapon
Of course in the game samurai are much weaker than the knights and Vikings.
But on the other hand a samurai Armour is not very heavy at all, which gives him a much better mobility and with enough skill the needed advantage to overcome the heavier and stronger armour of an knight for example. Atleast i dont think that a person within a heavy armour like the knight one, could keep up with the speed and mobility of a person within a light armour like the samurai does.
the game needs more pommel throwing
End them rightly! I demand a crossbow that launches pommels!
carlos conde at least the pommels increase throwing range
Terminater maker oh shit boi
Terminater maker
That has to be a reference.
Mordhau has got you covered
Actually in Witcher 1 Geralt would sometimes finish off monsters by striking them with the guard, so that video game is not the first.
Jon Doe Geralt is also a mutant who's faster and stronger than a regular human being.
***** So?
Hjerrick
Hi
Jon Doe But he also does spin attacks, soooo. And not even practical ones at all.
Gareth Brooks-Martin That's immaterial to what I brought up.
Dang there are quite a bit of weebs in the comments getting upset. Guys a katana is a terrible weapon compared to the other weapons in the game. During the times that the katana was used it was made out of terrible metals.
The metal was terrible but the Japanese folded the metal so it would bend instead of snapping
Folding the steel only serves to reduce the carbon content and spread it evenly. It still leaves a brittle blade that can't withstand the kind of stresses a european blade could.
That's not true.
Katanas are probably superior to viking weapons, by virtue of being made of better steel.
WhiteBones Kara as were heavy for their size and weighed about the same as a long sword with the longsword being more durable and faster due to it being longer as well as being cheaper and well balanced
They didn't actually use Katanas for war except as a side-arm. They used primarily spears and bows. And they lived on an island with very little quality iron, so they did amazing things with what little resources they had, but those limitations still held them back.
Before you comment "it's a video game you idiot, it's not meant to be realistic,"
please, for the love of god, read the description.
People who post "insightful" comments like that usually don't have the attention span required to read the video description.
Nice one Skal, couldn't agree with you more.
indeed :) but a better thing to say might be that complete realism would probably not work for a multiplayer game at least.
hard ware limitations, bandwidth, latency all that kind of shit would make the insane requirements for perfect realism practically impossible to play with and would probably have no balance at all :P
some of the videos i've seen have some "the fuck?" moments
i did take a look at the kingdom come game.. and that looks interesting :) not multiplayer.. but not all games need to have one, honestly some games should not have multiplayer/single player even though they do....
I just hope the AI does not have glaring holes in them.. most AI so far is fun enough in the start until you see the patterns/holes and then the rest of the game gets more like a boring step 1.. step 2.. step 3.. dead
nice video in any case :) there will always be some strange bullshit when it comes to different technologies that clash together.
but for the sake of argument. the gameplay basicly have the katana wielding samurai as a quick/nimble bastard but with low damage and it seems like there's also ressurect options, though i'm not sure you can do them on people that get executed. Could it be explained that the low damage is due to not going through armor but instead hurting the target in a similar (but less effective) way as a mace? and the bigger damage spikes comes from good hits on open areas and such?
The samurai also get some other "classes" one have a effective weapon against armor (tetsubo).. but like some of the vikings.. next to no armor
and luckily the naginata and odachi aswell
all in all cant wait to test the game myself.. and i'm hoping for the best :)
true that
The sad part is you SERIOUSLY don't even need to read the description at all to know this isn't to bash on the game *sigh*
Will there be a pommel weapon however? And how long will it take to get removed due to being OP?
Wehrmacht Lyle It will keep getting nerfed till throwing the sword does more damage, however i dunno how they will balance the "end him rightly" passive on the pommel throw being too OP!
Jester Muffin they will incorporate a ''Pommel-Meter'' that you have to build up with combos before you can throw your Pommel and end him rightly.
***** Psh, please... Maximum Pommel Power would put Beerus to about 1/4ths his health in one hit... And I'm talking Beerus being SERIOUS, as in, not holding a single thing back.
Wehrmacht Lyle They scrapped the pommel throwing when they realized it was outdamaging siege engines.
Wehrmacht Lyle It is censored and accessed as a cheat code. When used, it's a bit like if the Death Star made a shot.
Samurais with shields? SHAMEFUL DISPLAY
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+TheCanMan 09 シェーイムフール・ヂスプレー
Amir Butcher シェーイムフール・デイスプレー*
They weren't used often, due to limited material, but shields did exist in Japan and would be used by Samurais- not a basic of combat, but more a tactic to get by arrows if a barrage is to be expected.
FORMINCRAFTIA From the birth of samurai til it's extinction. Samurai never use handheld shields Some pre-samurai Ancient Japanese warriors use handheld square shields.
Limited supply my ass. They've built fleet of boats and even ocean-traversing ships do you think they don't have wood for just some shields??
Don't forget a Classic of Medieval fights, Mount and Blade, i think it would be awesome if you talk about it check it you may be interested and i'm sure a lot of your fans are waiting for it
In his "Most realistic fighting in video games" video he mentions it :D
A I relented that game
Was always fun to fight to the wedding music the musical soldier would play
You're talking about the DLC. The main game is medieval.
IIRC M&B has the most realistic variety of medieval weaponry, also realistic models. For instance bastard swords, one handed swords, one handed axes, spears, etc don't really look all thick and fantasy-ish, they look like everyday medieval weaponry. The fighting system is more realistic than a lot of games, for instance Skyrim, in some ways, though games which are coming or are out like Mordhau, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, and For Honor do appear to have wards which is much more realistic than M&B and I believe Mordhau is the most dynamic since you have a full 360 degree attack and defense radius (meaning the instead of just an overhead swing, left and right swing, and thrust, you can cut, thrust, and parry diagonally too, and from any other angle). It also has half swording I believe. Chivalry has an M&B style directional attack system but defense is simplified. Personally I like how the spear in it has 2 thrusts instead of M&B's 1 thrust and otherwise smacking them with the shaft.
+Andrew Penman Viking Conquest DLC allows you to thrust with a spear overhead as well as underhand, which really helps I think. Spears kind of got the short end of the stick in earlier M&B.
will make some gameplay of For Honor?
Maybe he not know yet maybe because he like game
Yeah when the game comes out I'm sure he'll do more.
or instead of bashing with a crossguard you can end him rightly by throwing a pommel
the meme is over just let it die with dignity
+Corey Birth sounds like someone who was rightly ended with a pommel.
+Corey Birth You can't end it if you don't throw your pommel at it...
DLC execution confirmed
End him rightly!
Unfortunally real life sword fighting would be impossible in the computer world as it stands now. However im looking forward to what they can do with vr and room tracking. If they also can figure out some gloves to work with that the we may not be far off.
Yes and no. It's easy to add realistic animations/techniques...what's difficult is to simulate the awkwardness/human error without a very dynamic system.
the year 2040 will be a great one.
I saw a VR dungeon crawler style game that someone was working on. The channel was called 'Node' but I forget the name of the game. It looks fairly promising. Game itself is not perfect, but the Vive looks like it's really good at tracking hand motion.
***** yeah that was the one!
Also if the joystick was still popular I think maybe they could use it for something.
Kingdom Come revealed their combat system. What do you think of theirs?
Wyatt Carleton dude i saw that, holy crap it was awesome
Wyatt Carleton I tried in the combat in the alpha. It's really one of the best, if not the best combat I've ever seen in a game. AI obviously still needs work, but besides that it's amazing.
It really is the best combat I've ever played even in its obvious early state.
Wyatt Carleton I'm hoping he makes a video on it, because it looks and feels great. I've been replaying the missions of the Alpha version over and over... it's addictive and I can't freaking wait to experience full-blown battles.
+Alduin101 I'm not sold on that combat system. Honestly, I would prefer a third person camera.
I'd been looking for this video! I thought it was WAY more recent. July 15 2015? Wow.
Yeah, it was just based on a trailer, not the actual gameplay.
+Skallagrim you gonna make a updated version? Since the beta has been going on?
"is it historically accurate?"
No.
It never happened.
really? wow its almost as if everyone knew that.
Dude maybe it is part of history so could be really happened
Why does everyone keep saying that? The POINT is that the Earthquake Destroyed them and that they rebuilt and are in a Great war!
Historically accurate and historic event is not the same thing lol.
Meaning that if you take a known battle and use the same kind of fighting but in modern times and/or at another location the event isnt historic but the fighting is historically accurate.
it's for this amazing thing known as ENTERTAINMENT and IMMERSION
Unfortunately real fighting doesn't look as cool :(
+Scream Like You Mean It
Are you sure? th-cam.com/video/n5w2Mh6CyXo/w-d-xo.html
+Skallagrim that's one of my favorite 1st person pov video you have
+Skallagrim im actually gonna have to agree with Scream. theres no denying that video is cool, but sometimes games just need to look cooler. if that means throwing out realism, im ok with it. a good example is Arkham Knight. can the average man kick a dude 20 feet into a wall? no, but batman can, and it does look cool.
Exactly what I was thinking.
+Scream Like You Mean It Agreed. As impressive as the 1sr person video is, fighting systems in games need to be engaging over hours upon hours of gameplay/time. As such there is an expectation of some dramatics as we see in film. Videos games are getting better at offering variety of styles, but true to life combat is better left for enthusiasts and for the skeletal framework on which to build on. Bushido Blade II way back in the day tried to keep things "real" and did it pretty well for the era, even offering a 1st person view. A shame the series has never been properly revisited, it'd be fun to see how it would work on modern hardware.
You could see a 'mordhau stroke' in the first Witcher-game already I believe!
(They also consulted medieval martial arts masters for making the fighting more realistic.)
+Jermaine Prince this
+Jermaine Prince And yet in the third installment Geralt spins like crazy while fighting.
Englebert Magentaschweiger You don't need to use "Whirl" - the game even has a strong strike counterpart. Just use this alongside the Bear School-Armor and you're just as badass again ;-)
Jermaine Prince Yup. And if you're tired of the combat, just play some Gwent.
+Jermaine Prince
Was just about to say exactly the same since I've just been playing the first Witcher game. Thanks to skallagrims points on halfswording I recognized that finisher which Geralt uses. On the other hand I was a bit disappointed of Geralts skills because he was not able to learn the method of how to end the opponents "rightly"..
wow what an awesome video to stumble upon!!! thx so much for making this and putting an interesting spin on videogames. subed and can't wait for more man
Hopefully you have the ability to throw your pommel.
Lol
ThePonticMercenary End the bastard rightly!
That would give the knight an unfair advantage, just try to see a Viking or Samurai end him rightly.
*****
It was to good to pass up ;)
Chase Browne sorry they hadn't the manpower for it since it was all spend on making guns for shooting at the swords
Brace yourself the katana cultists are coming. In all honesty I get a bit peeved when I see katanas being used in impossible ways such as slicing plate armor yeh katanas can do a lot of things but slicing through plate armor isn't one of them
Dominik Doherty What katana cultists? All I see on Skall's videos is people moaning/joking about katanas. I love his videos, but his comments section is depressing as fuck.
Ganondorf Dragmire There are a few people that make legit comments, but more joking.
Ganondorf Dragmire Exactly. I don't see why people are bashing on katanas, katanas are pretty good for what they are supposed to be used (e.g. killing no- to lightly armored opponents from the quickdraw). I mean, sure, Katanas can not cut through armor - but neither can anything else and it is stil being done in many video games simply because the technology is/was not advanced enough to show proper sword fighting or because it would be too difficult to implement it in a fun and intuitive combat system.
So, instead of bashing katanas to the ground why not take a look at them and ask yourself how they would actually perform when used by a skilled western swordsman against a guy in full plate. Would they break on the first strike? I don't think so - katanas are not that brittle. If you don't block but instead deflect you would be able to defend yourself without breaking your weapon. Also what about halfswording? Since Katanas are a lot sharper than western weapons - which isn't necessarily a good thing - you might actually cut yourself, but since only one side is sharp you could only touch the dull part of the blade. I think you would be at a disadvantage when using them but it would still be more practically than say, a stick.
Marchiali I hope you were joking with the katanas are sharper part
Dominik Doherty I like Katanas, but I was one of the guys who called BS when I saw it cut through plate armour.
As cool as they look, I agree that they are over hyped and exaggerated by most people on the internet. They're swords just like any other sword. They aren't meant to cut through metal armor, they are meant to cut through unarmored targets. I honestly get tired of all the Katana worshipping.
While they are exposing themselves by spinning, I see that the one spinning disorients and stunns the opponent before spinning and they use it to further disoreint and stun the enemy by builidng momentum.
Which is nonsense in real life. The only one getting disoriented from spinning is the one who does it. No trained fighter gets "stunned" from seeing someone twirl around like a fool.
It only works if your job class is bard/dancer, not knight. #themoreyouknow
Howabout a badass elbow to the face (No faceguard) and then the attack? (This is a joke I'm bored)
+Soviet Toaster in like a fist two fist brawl I've taken a lot of elbows to the face and my nose is actually really f***** up from it but because I fight a lot I have a really high tolerance to pain so most of the time people have elbow me in the face and it really didn't do anything but make my nose bleed so if you did it to a night or day of Viking I'm sure it wouldn't do that much unless he was a very new person at hand-to-hand combat then you might hurt the dude by breaking his nose I can understand where you're coming from but if the person is well-versed in hand-to-hand combat then I don't think you would do that much specially if the dude had a helmet even the Vikings helmet has a nose protector so really you just elbowed him in the mouth which would hurt but Viking probably would have a high pain tolerance so you just spit the blood out and keep fighting
+Angrygerman1930 Woah you're cool
This was just on my recommended but you sir have a new subscriber. That was not only interesting to watch but I learned a lot as well.
Keep in mind folks, still a video game. Much like Forza 6 and GT can only accurately portray so much realism before coming unplayable, your character is still controlled by a joysticks and buttons, and none of us (or at least in the upper 99 percentage) are actually trained medieval knights.
Awkward spins and telegraphed swings are vital to making a game fun and playable. It gives us time to counter/block/move as the opposing player.
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Anthony Rooney i actually am taking courses to be one
I'll be happy the day we get a game in which we can unscrew the pommel and end them rightly.
yeah, me too... Someday
You can in "For honor."
They even made a joke about it I think.
I don't get it
Alex Smith You must be new to this channel
lol, he made a video about the pommel being unscrewed or something like that, in the past and how it was effective, or something to that matter... I don't remember.
What about Chivalry: Medieval Warfare gameplay?Is it historicaly accurate?
+Andrei Gabriel
Not particularly, no. Very slow but exaggerated swings.
+Andrei Gabriel LOL I enjoy the hell out of Chivalry, but it's about as realistic as 300's portrayal of Spartans and the battle of Thermopylae
+John Doe and the LAAAAAAAG, it is unplayable
BenjiiTCG i got both strong, and have 0-20 ping in most matches, but the game was really badly optimized
+Andrei Gabriel LoL.. unless fighters routinely bent their backs in such a way to break the spine and spam reverse overhead / spinny moves.. I'd say no.
Curious to see how you feel about the fighting in the final release of the game now that it's out.
MogwaiInjustice Here's how it would go: *takes a swing* Disconnected from match
wouldn't the knights win anywa just because they have the best stuff?
nudl3Zz What do you mean by "Best Stuff"?
nudl3Zz Wouldn't the knights win just because european folks were much bigger and stronger thus had a reach advantage + a longer weapon?
nudl3Zz What do you mean by "best stuff"? They just have different stuff, which is acutally the point of the game. Factions with different approaches to combat compete. So maybe the knight is better protected by his armour, but also is hindered by it in his movement and situational awareness, a problem a light armoured viking doesn't have. And the viking is probably used to fight straight up, with the simple goal to defeat his foe just by himself, while a Samurai may also be schooled in tactics and practical psychology. There are several factors by which you win a fight, not just your equipment. :D
I mean that they have at least the longest and maybe the highest quality swords and the best armor
***** not bigger than the vikings I think but a bit bigger than the japanese for sure
And also any thoughts on chivalry medival warfare?
jewoo han he has a few videos on chivalry from years back
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***** And is still the best first person slasher on the market, mostly due to lack of any notable competition. I'm not saying it's realistic. It's just better than anything else there is to put against it.
Yeah but it's still a popular game with several servers holding 46+ players and full on weekends. I would be interested to hear his opinion on its combat.
jewoo han Like hitting the enemy with a backswing?
***** It's also the most bullshit spinning rainbow slashing face hugging nonsense and as far away from realism in terms of combat as possible. The high level techniques used in that game and the most effective ones are as far from real as possible.
For all the people who say its to unrealistic, Would it be fun if you are a viking with like no amor vs a knight with heavy amor.... you would take like 1-3 hits and the knight would take like 50 before breaking armor.......
Vikings literally destroyed what is known currently as the UK to the point where the original peoples of Britannia no longer exist. Vikings and the Norse Gods of men were average or 6'7 in height and extremely strong. Armored knights didn't really stand a chance.
+PyroBlonde7777 The Vikings never fought with plate-mailed knights. Full plate mail arose significantly later on.
Amperzand I am aware of that. Vikings were still killing enemies that wore thick studded leather on top of chain mail. That's more than can be said for a lot of the Vikings or Norse. Not to mention plate isn't that affective. Plenty of Viking weapons can pierce plate armor. No one is going to last 10 hits.
PyroBlonde7777
Studded leather. Yes. Hmmm.
But vikings got messes up more but they took a form of what you would call lsd/happy pill and this gave them a bost of adrenaline, you may ask how I know this, I am a descendent of the norse vikings and its been past down.
The bs infallible portrayal of samurai needs to stop.
I think this game is making them all look like desperate people just trying to survive.
Bosta gets it
"The bs infallible portrayal of samurai needs to stop"
Can we address that naked vikings and armour knights take the same amount of hits to kill?
Or that Every weapon in the game can go through armour?
It's a game, and it doesn't actually portray historical Samurai.
What bostaffninja88 said is exactly what they're trying to do in the story. It aint realistic in the slightest bit.
+SendarSlayer
Or that multiple heavy hit on your head won't kill you but after you just have to follow it up with a small hit on the flank to kill that person xD
On the topic of spinning and flourishes, I recently re-watched Shanghai Knights (I know, I know) and was wondering what your thoughts on the final fight scene were, with the duel between Jackie Chan and Littlefinger (fucking Littlefinger is in it, I completely forgot!) Apparently, since Jackie's stunt team were used, the sword fighting was primarily more Eastern than Western, but since I'm an expert in neither, I can't say. I can say that it looked great from an entertainment perspective, though.
I also wonder if flourishes and twirls and spins could be used psychologically in a duel. I mean, realistically and practically, it would most likely be far too risky to even attempt it, and when the goal is survival you would want to minimize all risks, but could it be used as a psychological weapon in the right hands, against the right enemy, in the right situation?
***** Oh, yeah, absolutely. I didn't mean to imply that Chinese techniques weren't about efficiency of the kill, or anything like that, it was merely a comment about the people fighting and the style, more than the realism of it.
And I completely understand the need to make things flashier to entertain (and I'm so glad they do) and realize that it virtually no one would ever fight like that in real life, however, I still can't help but wonder if anyone's ever used those overly flashy flourishes in actual combat. It wouldn't work against an extremely skilled opponent, or someone who could keep their cool in the heat of battle, but surely there were people who were cocky enough to try.
Smexi Jebus Technically, you most certainly could do that, but why waste the time to begin with? The longer you are in the fight, the higher your chances are that your opponent gets a strike in that you didn't anticipate, getting you hurt or even killed.
MadnerKami I realize this, and realize that no normal person would ever want to extend the time of the battle, but that's why I added the 'cocky' caveat. Let's face it, there's been some absolutely insane warriors in history, and the ones we know about are usually just the ones who were insane _and_ accomplished great feats. I just can't help but wonder if anyone's successfully and consistently implemented the use of fancy and unnecessary flourishes in combat. That's all.
***** I do the same c:
And yeah, I'm just curious as well. I have absolutely no illusion that utilizing it in actual combat is far more likely to get you killed than anything else, and that there are far more efficient and safer methods to psychologically intimidate or distract your enemy, but I find the idea quite interesting.
Smexi Jebus Still love this profile pic (yours)
Confirmed: Samurai would get owned by Knights.
You clearly don't know about grorious nippon steeru which was folded over a birrion times which can cut through space and time.
lmnop No
Hahaha no. The only thing worse than Japanese weeabos are Europhiles like you. Samurai were highly trained, well-equipped soldiers just like knights. It would be much closer to 50/50, maybe a slight edge to the knight due to better armor but that's it.
Garrett Henze plate armour > pretty much everything
Garret do you know what a warhammer and a mayal is?, they dont use only swords, one hit in the head whit a warhammer and you are at least unconscious.
One of your complaints about the game is spinning, but that can be answered easily, in the game most of spins were heavy attacks, they were designed to be slow and sometimes predictable, that's why in the Alpha or Beta test you could see people punishing heavy attacks (usually spins) with a fast weak attack, so yeah, spinning is an option in the game that is taken at it's own risk. About the armor, yeah it's unrealistic, but how would a Samurai even be competent in battle against a knight? Because Im sure Knights win in the weapon and armor aspect, so If it was realistic, then picking Samurai would straight up be a debuff For the player. Finally, I also recognize Vikings in the game aren't like in real life, but Ubisoft isn't aiming For the Skallagrim community because they probably don't even you're a community, they're aiming to the public in general, so they put some fantasy inside to catch the attention of the general public.
Man, these are dome of the most well thought out and nteresting videos on youtube.
It's obvious that realistically most knights would win... but who would come in second place? Vikings or Samurai (ancient gods of the Weebs)
SharkByte game theory's video describes why in detail at the time the samurai would win due to their practice of horse back archery, go watch it very interesting
I've already seen that terrible video. It's full of historical inaccuracies. I have nothing against the guy but he needs to do more research before he pumps out a video. It's such a waste of time and so many people like yourself have fallen to believe his information as truth.
in a war, vikings would probably lose due to their lack of cavalry. in a duel, samurai lack of shield eould probably costs his life. but the most defining factor is not their equipments, but their skills
i think the ranking would be 1.knights 2.vikings 3.samurais. a lot of samurai worship just comes from shit weebs have invented. the era of samurais which most weebs praise (with the most iconic armor and katana) very little fighting actually happened from what ive read, and the sword became mainly a ceremonial item. so much for the 'legendary folded steel' lol
Uh. No one mentions that Samurai had access to guns called Teppo most of their history?? Lol.
But can you unscrew the pommel and end him rightly, in the game?
Hahahahaha.... They better. It's only way I know how to end rightly.
+Creepy Cooter Nah, they saved that for the "End Him Rightly" DLC, and even then its only a special attack.
+lonejedi100 Its only in supply drops
upcoming dlc.
1-20pommels in each box
15us$ each pommel box
0.0001% drop of legendary non-consumable pommel.
+Sir Drand nope.
it's just a non-consumable item, you can pick it back up and you always get it back after each match. All other pommels are consumable 1-time-use items.
I like how in this game the samurai and Vikings to an extent can take way less damage than the Knights because the Knights have steel armor against fur and leather or wood
´From what I've seen the samurai is a glass cannon. Lots of damage but not very durable. I like the balance.
Backon Lazer yea orochi the basic samurai doesn't really have a guard so he has to parry or dodge everything then counter attack because he just can't win straight on against someone like the raider
Ben Shifflet Yea, I can't wait until For Honor gets released. Definitely buying it right away.
You guys should play around with some boiled leather, it can stop a glancing sword blow. Some of these samurai I am sure are using that version of the O-Yoroi
Well never mind old bucket head sure did not appreciate getting thwacked with a Dane axe
This channel showed up out of nowhere. I don't know why it showed up but, damn, I'm digging these old weapon lessons.
Keep up the good work, you Celtic Viking Punk.
You make old things sound cool!
the katana is beter than a longsword?
better*
No.
+Skallagrim seriously?? my life is a lie
Nico Arbó - Khembri
Of course it is.
+Skallagrim why people says that katanna is way better? and why is fucking longsword better
Surely if you're wearing plate armour (or indeed any kind of armour that offers resistance to cuts/thrusts) the risk of spinning is pretty negligible? I don't imagine it's easy to identify a gap in somebody's armour in the time it takes them to complete a spin. In that case, why not spin? Imagine the force you could impart with a spinning murder stroke.
Quite the opposite actually... Many suits of plate armor are open on the back of the legs, and sometimes arms.
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There are plenty of reasons not to spin (losing sight of the opponent, over-commitment to an attack, poor footwork, etc).
Ahh I see. And at the speed they're moving in the trailer it's pretty obvious that yeah, it wouldn't work!
Spinning is mostly pointless, although the one possible way I could see it being practical is in a 1v1, and in a situation where absolutely positively HAVE to hit this person with all possible force...
I bet round house kicks are 100% useless too... People dont expect it. The first MMA match I went to I watch a kid knock this guy out with a spinning backhanded strike. It created so much force that you could hear the crack though he audience. He dropped like a sack of potatoes. The time it takes to react to a move you are not trained to react to is far greater than the standard moves. The thing we always say is, the news guys always pull off some of the crazy shit, purely because they dont know how you fight yet, as Ironic as that statement is.
FerrisAirsoft lol please stop talking
People take things way to seriously :/
+Kylo Ren
Things like entertainment videos for instance.
+Skallagrim would you recommend any realistic or historically accurate games of the genre. or do i have to stick to just watching videos and never getting to play with a sword because of my counties stigma towards them.
+Skallagrim Would you agree; when it comes to video games, Realism is a bogueois? A word said more for its own sake?Because video games are determined by a computer, which means the game, like the computer only takes account of what it has available to it and therefore only applies what the designers allow it to.
+Kylo Ren Some people do. I for one wondered the same things, how realistic and accurate it was out of curiosity but I think most people realize that you have to fudge things in order to make it cool and fun and balanced for the game's sake.
Anyway I'm super stoked to learn more, hope I get into the public tests and eventually play the final version. :D
+James Gitonga Check out Mount & Blade: Warband. It's not the prettiest thing but it's a pretty cool medieval battlefield game where you can hire warriors and go conquer a Europe-like land for great honor! Also there's that Chivalry game, first person multiplayer thing, not sure about the accuracy/realism there.
Thanks for the shout out Skall! Hope you are doing well and great video!
A Katana can even cut trough old nokias
Sirius LeDark Bitch please, i forge katanas by using old nokias as hammers...
Sirius LeDark you have that backwards. old nokias can even cut through a katana.
Sirius LeDark Can it survive an AK round?
Michel Dai You could throw the cut Nokias instead of a pommel.
Lord Baldur Can the AK round survive a Nokia?
so how would a generic western steel sword compare against the later samurai armor?
+fuge74
It could be dealt with in the same way as European armor. Using half-swording to thrust the point into the gaps, striking the helmet and other parts with the pommel or crossguard.
+Skallagrim What about a good 'ol pommel throw? That's a valid technique right?
+LtWhiteWolf a true warrior go to fight with a bag of pommels
+iluminati reptilian The good ol' days in which a talented slinger with a bag of pommels could bring down a kingdom * Nostalgic sigh *
+iluminati reptilian A true warrior uses a pommel thrower. ;P The future.
If we're going by realism didn't most knight only have plate at our covering parts of their body due to both the weight and expense of the material
On the contrary; by the early 15th century Western European armor covered most of the body and the gaps got smaller for a century or so. Look up "Italian white armor", "German Gothic armor", or "Maximilian armor".
that was if your family had the money to buy it though, also some preferred not to always use that armor due to the amount of difficulty it required to take them off alone having armor protecting vital parts of your body could at times be far more practical
That depends on the century you'd be talking about. i'm not so good when it comes to remembering numbers, but i think what you're talking about happen around their earlier periods when plate armor started to become available to most. in later centuries, right before guns become widespread enough for heavy armor to be pointless, plate armors're fairly common.
I know this comment is very old, but nope; weight was absolutely not a problem. There are tons of videos on youtube showing that it was very easy to move around with feudal plate and it wasn't that heavy. Especially because most knights would have trained in armor since a very young age, so they would have the strenght to do it. Plus, if you talking about expense you could say the same about vikings and samurais. Most families wouldn't have money to buy chainmail or a good helmet for their warriors and the same goes with Samurais.
This is a very cool video! I just came here for a yes or no but learned much much more, keep up the good work man! Subscribed!
Are you a Viking ? :D
he is no one
AlecPlease Valar Dohaeris
He is Ragnar
Valar Dohaeris
Ioannis Panagiotidis NO YOU IDIOT he is Shaemus from WWE
Hitting with crossguard is the actual technique? Holy fluff, I'm so glad I watched this
nikola graovac
Here is more information about it: th-cam.com/video/vwuQPfvSSlo/w-d-xo.html
***** Excuse me for a second while I squee in a most un-manly fashion... Thanks a lot for replying, by the way
*****
I did elaborate, in that video.
***** I actually tried it myself while i was active in reenactment. You would wear gloves to anhance your grip. It won´t slide. I even gripped the blade of my opponents sword. As long as you keep a firm grip, it´s perfectly fine.
***** Bruh! If you go and watch the video it will tell you, besides he is not the only one to state it, or to have tried it!
What's the best sword for 150 dollars or cheaper, I want it to be able to do something super easy like cut a watermelon, just the common stuff that you don't need a super sharp sword for.
Lord Lima Bean try a £10 knife from tesco m8
Most likely you're going to hurt yourself with a cheap sword. Get a training one and bash random shit with that. Trust me cheap shit can break and easily cut you and if you don't have training you are 90% likely to hit yourself at least once when you get over excited. Swing a training/sparring sword or a stick around and bash shit while you save up for a real sword. Blunt swords can still cut flesh with a swing so be careful.
Played it a bit now and noticed, they even half sword.
The guardian class (longsword) has an execution where he halfswords to get the blade between chestplate and helmet. He doesn't stab but cut the throat of his opponent, but he halfswords while at it.
is it called murder stroke, or marauder stroke?
Murder stroke. Mordhau in medieval German.
Mordhau lol :D
Im german and that would sound soooo wierd ^^
"hau" is just the kind word for hitting someone, like punching. While "Mord" means "Murder", sooo wierd
have you seen mordhau the game? it looks like chivalry with a higher skill threshhold.
Milka Kuh
The language has changed quite a bit from Medieval / Renaissance times.
With the new gamplay out and the full game getting out in 2 weeks, will you reupload a vidéo for it?
Glad you are talking about this game
You should really take a look at Kingdom Come: Deliverance. The combat in that game is the most realistic I've seen.
AgeofGuns Did you watch the whole video?
AgeofGuns Good way of proving that you didn't watch the entire video. Good work!
IIIMuerteIII No i think that skallagrim dosent know about that there is a playable combat demo.
The combat demo is for backers only so Skal would have to back a minimum of I think $45 to play the alpha. However the current alpha version is a lot more than just the combat, although that was the most anticipated part.
Every time i watch theses videos, the inner geek comes out, you so rock dude! :D
MORE!
its a game it dosent have to be completely realistic
That's not the point of the video.
What was the point of the video because it seems like it was to strut your ego when you were wrong about a few things. Pretty much every point you made. Do you have ANY swordsmenship training that isn't just theory? I mean actually fought another armored fighter in a til defeat or point system?
FerrisAirsoft lol... you should of looked at his other videos before commenting
"How realistic". Not "is it realistic". He's not shitting on the game in anyway but just teaching so to speak. I found this video enjoyable. But maybe it's because I'm not closed minded. These kinds of videos are the reason why games we play can become better. This is good feedback. Pray this video gets out to future games like for honor so we could have a proper realistic combat system.
Mr115Whoopee 6God i had fun to whaching the vid but i think the combat system is good in for hounor plus to make it better and more realistic would be hard
When the game officially releases will you give us your opinion on how accurate it is?
pre-rendered cinematic trailers. these tell you nothing and anyone thinking of buying the game based on this should be wary- certainly don't pre-order.
Caramel Johnson I know, and I follow that principle- but pre-rendered trailers are the most heinous of things.... unless there's actually some artistic merit to it- and even then, you have to see gameplay first.
You might guess that I'm thinking about fallout 4 as I write this. It has been the only game that I've even considered pre-ordering in.... fuck..... 6 years.
Caramel Johnson are you gonna pre-order?
Caramel Johnson good. I haven't, and won't.
Devil's Advocate I hope you know this game actually does have gameplay footage. That said, still don't preorder anything ever.
Adam Bender for honour?
the game has flat top helms which were later changed to the pointed tip known as the sugarloaf helm. readon because flattop became an easy target. opponent can hit the top of the helm easily so it was a vulnerable spot
Does this game allow you to end your opponent rightly though?
GLORIOUS NIPPON STEEL CUT THROUGH EVERYTHING.
As you Can See at 0:33 The guy with the plate armor didnt get hit on the plate armor he got hit under his arm.
Actually it more or so looks like the cut went under his arm then ran across his stomach
Yeah I noticed that... They actually aren't Slicing through the armor but going for the crack and weak points(Such as the stomach armor and the Space between the shoulder and the neck...)
+Jhon williams he must have a lot of skill he can do that while on the move, he is obviously not slowing down
+Skallagrim Check the choreography in Withcer 1. Geralt uses a murder-stroke in one or two heavy-style combos.
It also shows a fairly reasonable way of drawing a sword from a scabbard on the back i.e half throwing the sword out, grabbing by the blade and turning it right way around quickly.
It was really disgusting how crazy the chat was during that livestream. I loved what you guys were saying but the chat ruined it making it impossible to ask questions.
Rollo Red
Yeah, I know. It was utterly ridiculous.
***** What if we were to use a twitter hashtag?
***** If you do see this then I would like to ask a question if you don't mind and have enough time. Has the bear and the helm on the logo has anything to do with berzerkers?
***** Is there anyway to set up mods and such like twitch?
Realism (not just historical accuracy in particular) often has to be sacrificed for the sake of game balance. Vikings usually only had a helmet and some padding. Maybe a mail coat. Samurai wore a coat of plates, which is better. Renaissance knights wore the iconic plate armor, which provides the most complete protection of the three. Additionally, Renaissance European swords were designed with tips that made them effective at getting around armor. Early European swords and Japanese swords of any time period really weren't.
If one of the three classes has both the best armor and the weapons most effective at penetrating armor, then no one would play the other two. For game balance, if one class has the best armor, they would also need the lowest offense. (If I were designing it, I'd make Vikings damage-dealers, knights tanks, and samurai a hybrid between the two, but that's just my opinion.)
Noah Weisbrod Not only balanced but also for the gameplay to be fun and fluid.
Noah Weisbrod Well said. *claps*
Noah Weisbrod that just because yo uare a pig,it's very possible for big studio to make realistic combat,but,they will never do it because of peoples like you.
This game starts with a premise that limits it. If combat in the game were more realistic, the game would be completely broken, because a knight's kit is just objectively better for this kind of fight than a samurai's or Viking's.
Now, if a game were all just one kind of fighter, then you wouldn't need to sacrifice realism for game balance.
HOWEVER, your reflexes in real life are much better than your reflexes while watching a character and moving via controller. If all game animations were as sudden and quick as real attacks, then almost no players would ever be able to react to anything. In Dark Souls attacks are unrealistically telegraphed so players don't feel cheated when they get one-shot. In real life, there sometimes are scenarios where you have no options, but those scenarios make games too frustrating to be worth playing.
With the limitations of technology today, I still doubt that a fully realistic fighting game would actually be fun. (Now, if we ever get SAO-like virtual reality...)
+Noah Weisbrod Well they COULD give all vikings +ULFBERH+T swords. Those sweet, sweet crucible steel swords.
can you end them rightly tho?
The Witcher 1 had that technique where you attack with the guard/pommel. I have no idea why they scratched it in later games.
If games were all aimed to be as realistic as possible, they would be pretty boring to most people to be honest.
+zigzack54
It depends. Project Zomboid is perhaps the most realistic game I've played so far (except the zombies, obviously), and it's a lot of fun.
+zigzack54 to each their own. some people like Train Simulator...
***** You're not like most people though. people like myself have to have the mindless bad ass totally unrealistic battle engines. Like Assassin's Creed or Shadow of Mordor. Where you can fall into a pit of 50 Orc and slaughter them all. I do find realism to be refreshing every now and again. Until 3 to 5 minutes pass and I throw the controller. ;)
+zigzack54 "realism" and "controller" in one sentence... o.O?
You want realistic? Go to Kingdom Come: Deliverance.
+SquareOne For Honor isn't out yet either. In fact this video was based purely on cinematic footage, so an analysis of Deliverance based on the available gameplay footage/beta would be doable.
That said Skall said in the video he wanted to wait till it was released so yeah, just wait.
SquareOne last 15 seconds of the video...
+SquareOne I didn't say OP said that, I was suggesting that could have been done instead of waiting for the game to be released, exactly as what was done in this video.
+SquareOne Okay, let's explain this to you in detail, so you understand:
flukshun first part of his first comment was aimed at you.
Oh, wait, not much more detail needed. You simply misunderstood his comment and acted like a douche afterwards :D
+Captain Hindsight Please do this game
There should be a spartan or Persian warrior dlc I think that would be cool
Delano Santiago spartans? would be interesting to balance spears, and persian? ...some cheaply equipped rag covered soldier? why? (the immortals from the movie were complete bullcrap)
Manic Oasis I know the ones in the movie are BS but if figured curved weapons or something like that. Idk why but Persians came up in my head. Spartans I think would be better
I thought Romans would've been the better option
Killaflavour I thought that at first but I think the Spartans fit better with the "Honor" part of the game. The Romans didn't exactly fit that as well as the Greeks did and they're fighting style isn't too different either.
I think they should do a classic soldier pack.. roman legionnaire as the sword class, Hoplite as the spear class, Khopesh swordsman as an assasin class and maybe a Celtic/Gallic Cheiftain as the heavy class.
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Finally someone who's actually willing to stand against the weeaboos who think samurai were the deadliest motherfuckers around. Martial talent aside, more iron meant more Armour. Katanas are cool but it doesn't take too long a look to see how ineffective they would be against plate.
Samurai's knew the weak point in an armor. i did kendo for years and we trained to attack those weaker points like the wrists, inner elbow, sides from the body, inside from the knee, throat...
Flemish Templar but what would you do against a full suit of armour?
And the in the gaps was mail and under the plate and mail was a gambeson...
A katana wasn't a weapon to fight in a war. For a war you do have polearms.
Didn't the Vikings and Knights meet in 1066?
Yeah, Normans power!!!
even before that. It's the samurai who mess up everything. The only foreign army they met were mongolian, and mongolian were winning.
L'alien And China?
Toby Nayland
they had relationship with china but never had a full scale conflict with'em.
+L'alien they had a war over korea
no pommel throwing 0/10- IGN
Just a guess here, but in one of the trailers it says that the three races have been at war for a thousand years. A lot can happen in a thousand years, maybe and I'm only saying maybe when the Samurai first fought the Knights, they probably came a crossed this problem, the fact that they're swords can't cut through plated steel. The Samurai could have made they're swords far more durable and sharper. That or they strike weaker parts of the armor. Did I mention this is a guess and a HUGE maybe, I'm going of of game logic here.
Better than the one made by game theory.
game theory is shit
If swords could cut through armor then why would people wear armour? All this katana stuff is such bollocks. They're just swords.
neckbeard basement dwellers have turned the katana from a basic sword to some god like weapon with razor sharpness and that never breaks. in reality a british longsword would fucking destroy a katana in terms of lightness, durability and craftsmanship.
do you think swords could cut through a bullet vest? i know way more about guns then blades.. i have bin shooting since i was 6
Historical inaccurate
Nobody threw their pommel.
I've been playing a valkyrie in For Honor for the past week (spear and shield) and I love your discussion about the silly spinning. I win the majority of my battles for that exact reason: I get in several quick jabs with the spear while some swordman is twirling around like they're in a ballet.
Whats up with people getting up this "is this game realistic" trend? People were crying about Bf1 being inaccurate WW1, now people getting into "For Honour" gameplay. Whats next? God of War? Legends of Zelda? Assassin's Creed? Game are for fun, not for realism.
Vadim Kavecsky dude calm down
no one cares about your shit opinion.
Vadim Kavecsky read description pls
Even Dice say it's not realistic. It's their interpretation of a "battlefield"-esk WW1 scenario.
Not necessarily. You are correct that a game does not need to be realistic, but some do strive to achieve it e.g. Metro 2033/Last Light, S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Red Orchestra, Chivalry, ARMA, etc. I believe that many people expected For Honor to try the same.
knights and vikings did meet right when the vikings invaded great britain no?
Guild Of Crafters england won too
ADMIRAL. BACON The Vikings nearly took Sussex though
VlRGlL "nearly" don't win wars
Sir Darivious Only because they forgot you don't back your enemy into a corner unless you have a significantly larger force
When exactly did vikings fight knights in England?
Go ahead, tell me how Anglo-Saxons used knights. Come at me bros.
When slicing doesn't work.....BASH IT WITH A HAMMER!
Nickolie-psn Newell OR YOUR SWORD'S GUARD, IF A HAMMER IS NOT AVAILABLE!
AND IF WEAPONS ARE NOT AVAILABLE USE OTHER STUFF LIKE A HEAVY TOOL OF SOME SORT OR MAYBE JUST RUN LIKE A BITCH!
Nickolie-psn Newell Or if you can just throw your pommel to end him rightly!
Lord Sheogorath My goodness, YES, Sheogorath, Prince of Madness!
Hawkpath1337 Excellent! Time for a celebration! CHEESE, FOR EVERYONE! Oh, wait, never mind. Cheese for no-one. It can't be much a party if you don't like cheese.
What's your opinion on the combat in Mordhau (a game currently in development)
Knights never fought vikings ?
10th century knights in mail armor did, not 15h century knights in full plate.
it's not exactly a tin can ''me '' BITCH SAY DA TO THE CONQUEOR
memelord 11001100 I'll have you know Conquerors preferred pronoun is ConquRAH by the way.
well the game has fucking female samurai and knights so there is that.......
That's just so that Hilary supporters don't start whining.
It doesn't really bother me since it is a fantasy world. Realism isn't a point since thats a question of culture.
They clearly ARE trying to make it as realistic as posible. seeing how they are using historical armors and weapons and not something like Dragonscale armor wich would be very hard to make since there is no dragons to get scales out of. Sure you could arque that there is vikings with horns but mehh.. thats not as big of a deal as FEMALE SAMURAI, there has been some(pls correct me if i am wrong) called Onna bushi or something but they did not wear batle armor and used naginatas.
They aren't trying to make this game as realistic as possible, see katanas cutting through plate armor. And again, the rights of females aren't even a question of realism. Sure, if this were Japan, France and Norway, even though Norway was a christian country that didn't actually raid at the time there was plate armor, yes it would be unrealistic. This isn't Japan, France and Norway however, so it doesn't matter.
Impaleification Joan of Arc was hardly a knight. She never fought, and her only injury was an arrow to the shoulder. She literally just kept in the back and inspired the men to charge forward. Feudal Japan was incredibly patriarchal. Female samurai were not a thing. Japan takes a lot after china, which similarly restrict their women to the house. Women in some rare instances did hold the distinction of either "Dame" or "onge-buisha" is what I think it is called in Japan, but this was for the most part for court purposes, such as the wife of a knight etc.
Fantastic video. Keep up the amazing work. I will definitely be back to see more videos.
Katana not being able to cut through plate armour? Like what the hell are you even talking about? A single good hit of a katana can slice a rock (which a friend of mine has seen live), let alone stab or slice through plate armour...
I can assure you that no man-made sword can "slice" through rock, because that would imply that some cutting was involved. More likely (and only possible) scenario was that rock was hit with enough force to shatter it from the middle, which isn't impressive at all, you could accomplish that with blunt steel bar.
Steel plate, however, isn't nearly as hard as rock, which means it will not shatter no matter how hard it's hit. And since swordblade is more fragile than plate armor, it will break before you get in even a good dent.
And tell your friend to stop hitting rocks with swords, that's just all kinds of dumb.
He has never hit a rock with a sword, he has just seen it live.
Oh christ, you cant slice a rock, even if you took the most superior steel we have to day such as CPM S110V, or CPM S90V or ELMAX...its not possible mate. And for the record, Japanese steel back in the days where shitty, and thats why the Japanese had to go to such extent to purify it. The end result was still not impressive compared to steels in other places at the same time, not to mention compared to today. But im sure ninjas can fly and all that shit...!
your mixing swords up with angle grinders mate. you can cut rock with tc diamond cutting disks but not with swords, even a tungsten alloy sword wouldn't cut rock.
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I don't know if it was mentioned before but in Witcher 1 hit with guard of sword is used as a finishing blow
First video I've seen from this guy, he's knowledgable not cocky/arrogant, and pretty good at being realistic about something like a video game and where it is realistic but not as historically accurate. Doesn't hurt that he looks like a badass Viking.
you could say that the telegraphing from last week bit was when he was trying to smash him down and break him before he died, thinking he had already won, in battle it would make sense for someone to be angry enough at an opponent that he forgets technique.
an interesting thing I notice with armour is it's about to go full circle. before guns the best armour was a non rigid layer (chain) reinforced with a rigid layer (plate). modern armour is currently a soft layer (Kevlar) backed by a rigid layer (steel or ceramic) and it may soon go to full body similar to knights had.
As for spins in martial arts, this is mostly useful when fighting several enemies (as you would have to turn your back some of the enemies) or when are trying to deceive the opponent. There is a staff technique in Joachim Meyers Art of Combat, where you turn your back to your opponent, waiting for them to rush in with a thrust, then you spin around, parry their thrust and strike them through the head (as is tradition). Meyer actually comments that it will only work once for an opponent, and that it is risky.
About that shield technique. They have made it in game exactly like you described it. One of the classes makes the shield a part of his one handed weapon, which is nice to see.
Well, there are also a few bits of game balance and hype-training, which then perfectly explain why the Katana cut through the Plate Armour.