this question is a little late but, what about customs taxes ? Do the border guards just let you trough with a car-load of foreign goods without any fee ?
@@patrickmartin2236 It's a pretty long border so I can't say for sure. But I take a free bus ride (payd by Sweden I believe) for a few hours that travels to a specific grocery store. So many people do it that they still earn money from it. Basically as far as my situation goes, it's only food items and they're either tax free, or they're even cheaper than I thought that even with tax they half of what norwegian prices are.
@@patrickmartin2236 There's basicly no border guard, maybe close to Oslo, but further up you can just drive over the border like it's nothing, sometimes there's not even signs, so it can be hard to tell what country you are in.
@@patrickmartin2236 there are no border guards. while not being part of the eu norway is part of schengen. meaning open borders with other schengen members.
I just tested myself on my samurai armor with a katana. It's equal to what I've seen with mails or light plates, it scrapes and buckles it. But doesn't penetrate through the armor. So I'd say it's equal and it's all up to the fighters experience, skills and hearts.
@@EyelessEntity It's almost like the weapon and armour evolved concurrently in an arms race between attack and defense, with each trying to counter the other over time.
This is my opinion too ^_^ Now I'm not just saying this because I am one of them. The fact that we can disagree on occasion with such respect and friendliness has impressed me for a long time.
Did you look under the comments on MatPats vid? The "Medieval enthusiast" are rather, well, not "nice" in the comment section. And i don´t see any "respect" or "friendliness" but i saw alot of hate and spite.
Let them be in warhammer but make it half ling cavalry and the lore would be every time one of the sheep died in battle the halflings immediately went to prep it for cooking stew and lamb chops
its like Skallagrim, Metatron and Shadiversity had an agreement to correct the misinformation from this video, each covering the warriors they are most educated about. Metatron covers Samurais and Shadiversity cover the knights.
I know, it's freaky how unintentionally coordinated this was o.0 It has really impressed me with how the whole medieval weapons community have come together in defence of the truth.
Lol You guys should do more videos together! and if matpat wants to do a video on some weapon stuff , please help him out! His content will greatly improve with your guys' help Thanks for all the work you do
Such a great video. Man I was kicking myself for not addressing the food stuff, frozen wasteland and Viking weapons comments, my video would have been too long, but you’ve addressed those perfectly, better than I could have. I would add that the Kite Shield can also have a center-grip as we see on the bayeux tapestry and other sources, one of the reasons why I love that shield so much ^_^ but this isn’t to detract from the versatility of the great round shields popular among the vikings. I LOVED that you addressed the samurai bows and archery in general. Thanks again for the superb work mate!
+Skallagrim There's a lot of similarities but one difference is that because the grip can be significantly off-center on the vertical plane to the center-of-balance (due to the extended point) the kite shield naturally falls to a vertical position with a decent amount of insistence. I've found this to be beneficial for a number of reasons but I happily admit I'm total a kite shield fanboy ^_^
Shadiversity The kite shield shares similarities with the roman shield, wich was used in a similar way. But the kite shield was designed to be used on horseback wich is it's main advantage, but not so much as an offensive tool. :) And btw you, Skall and Metatron should do a colab video on this trying to pick a winner, each arguing for their own side. A good day to both of you from a big fan of you both :)
+Gašper Žuber I've actually had a really interesting conversation with Matt Easton regarding the kite shield being a specialised cavalry shield, something of which we both disagree with, instead we conclude that the Kite Shield is far more effective on foot though it most certainly is still very effective on horseback. (just search kite shield on both our channels and you'll find our videos, one of mine is a direct response video to matt).
Shadiversity I have watched both videos before no worries ;) I just disagree the the extended bottom part gets in the ways. My personal opinion is that it was designed this way so it coverd up your leg on the left flank of the horse, wich is always really vounurable. On the right side you make your ofensive moves with your lance, while the left is safe due to the long shield. It's up to the horseman to maneuer the horse so he is always protected. But again opinions do vary and I see your point :)
Haha you say that both you and MatPat have your channels for entertainment and not education, primarily. You then proceed to drop insane amounts of knowledge for 20 minutes. You're the best.
+Forest elfranger [Throngs of archers and arbalists literally scrunched up against each other with various limbs comically sticking out like messy piles of paper]
To those who are interested in Viking history - please throw aside Skallagrim's claim that he is not a historian. You would have to spend a month reading through volumes of scriptures (which I did) to get to the same precise conclusions that Skallagrim presents here in less than 19 minutes. It is very very accurate ... and I am quite impressed. +1 million subs well earned!
It is important to note he isn't a historian though. Dan Carlin is one of the most well versed teachers of history I've ever experience and he always reminds you he is not a historian. I think it has to do with A.) respect for those who do it as their life B.) the requirements of actually being a historian, including travel and peer review backing for most statements or discoveries, etc. and C.) It's just not their job so they aren't historians, but instead "fans of history" Dan Carlin has the best series on The Mongols and many other civilizations that I have ever listened to.
I'm just sitting here laughing my ass off at the concept of literally the entire population of Scandinavia sailing up to the British coast, thousands of longboats slowly closing in as a pair of englishmen look on from a high cliff. "Well William, looks like it's gonna be one of those days."
Wing hussar: This is getting good! Let's watch the carnage! Rough rider: I brought the beers, wings and other stuff. I'm gonna bet on the knight. Cossack: hi! I'm here for the show.
There is evidence that there were possibly some 'Viking settlements' in Finland, unfortunately a lot of the historical evidence was destroyed during the Northern Crusades and other invasions. And as numerous sources from the Roman period onward mention various kings of Finland, it is completely possible that Finland also had Vikings.
@Rafael Lopez Knights still used heater shields as they did not want to get hit anyhow and if they got charged by horse. But yes heater was for combat not ageinst archers
@@Jow2002 KITE SHIELD GANG samurai would be fucked in close and long range by knights, and Vikings were armoured enough to survive a blow from a katana when struck anywhere except the most vulnerable areas.
@Rafael Lopez Sorry for interfearing your discussion. True fact shields died out faster than plate armor. And there have been plate armor that could even stop rifle bullets at some point in history. Think Henry VIII did own such armor tho it was expensive as !(%¤ and a few selected did own such armor. Anyways plate armor is good no discussion BUT you aren't godlike cuz of it. in history a clothed wearing pesant could beat a full plate protected knight in a 1v1 situation if he had the right gear. Full armor makes you a bit slower depending on if it is heavier or light. in some cases the knight could barley feel he had armor on cuz they was well fitted to the individual ofc. but still a person with no armor should still be a bit faster and smoother in the movements. Then the wepon of choice. A longer 2H wepon is ofc good cuz of the reach no doubt. but all kind of wepons like armor have weakness of some sort. I myself do fight and i am training with round shield 1H axe and 1H spear. In the traing we have done with all sorts of wepons i have bested 2H wepons of most types cuz of the shield. and for the plate sure won't bleed to death if he get hit by let's say an axe but he still get "crush" injuries cuz im hitting the plate. the plate absorbs the impact but to a price. that is why warhammers came a while after plate came to basicly crush the man inside the historical "Bulldozer" armor then they added spikes to puch through pretty easy.
I love how there was a historical martial arts TH-camr to represent every single faction that MatPat offended. It's like the three factions sending their nerdiest representatives to seek intellectual vengeance.
@@oljo0527 Lol, totally. Save it for the Irish or whomever. Rule 1 of Vikings: Don't Raid At Home. (P.S. My Swedish is pretty bad, but correct if I'm wrong--you said something like 'Damn Norseman, stop setting fire to our ICA shops'. Personally, if that's the shop I'm thinking of, I wouldn't mind raiding them a bit because they're freaking expensive...but you know...I only visit Sweden to visit family and I might be thinking of the wrong grocery store.)
@@oljo0527 Thanks, man--I appreciate it. Not much chance to practice Swedish where I live, unfortunately, so it waxes and wanes according to the free time I have. In which part do you live, if I may ask? I mostly visit Skane, but my family is originally from waaaaay up north, and I've traveled somewhat extensively across the country over the years. (If you prefer not to say, no prob--privacy is important.)
@@MrBrachiatingApe I'm from Skövde, in Västergötland Pure hillbilly land tbh but the people are cool enough once you drop any big city acting haha Skåne is pretty nice, too close to denmark for me though, and Norrland is too far away from family, otherwise I'd easily move all the way up
My favorite thing about this debunking is that you're not afraid to admit that you don't know some things. It leaves room for further study and improvement and more people need to think that way.
Especially important when discussing Japanese anything. Virtually all research on Japan is done by Japan and only in Japanese. Like fuck, English historians on the Sengoku still use Imperialist Japanese propaganda as historical evidence, something Japan stopped doing 50 years ago. If the guy cant read Japanese, he will struggle to find any legit sources on Japanese weapons or historical events or tactics or anything really.
Hello. Samurai here. I have no beef with the Knights. I would say that the Knights are the most honorable (Fun fact I'm a Lawbringer main). But SCREW THOSE DAMN VIKINGS! Shaman is the most angering I really hate her. Valkrie plays herself (like Shaman). Highlander is cool and I cant hate him. Raider is a bit too busted and SHOULD NOT have all that super armor. Warlord is a dick but whatever. Jöurmunger (?(Like the snake?)) Is I would dare say less broken Centurion. Hot take. I hate the Monks the most. Thanks for reading.
Wrong. Vikings were steroid ridden, brutish psychopaths hardened by the cold North. Their axes (they didn't use other weapons) were rudimentary because everyone was too busy working out and punching trees down for boats so there was no time for smithing. No one had chainmail because all vikings were forced to eat the iron due to lack of fertile lands and the fact all animals were frozen, this is what made Vikings so tough. All of this doesn't matter though because Samurai are Japanese just like anime, so they're obviously superior.
The fact that vikings (who were essentially farmers that raided when they had no work to do) are being compared to professional soldiers (knights and samurai), demonstrates that vikings were no joke.
@@creaturetransylvania8943 iap and that's not completely true , neither it's that useful in coordinated battles , reason why their raids always worked was focus on smaller to average towns and standings , while later campaigns where more coordinated i would argue that would have big difference against Samurai army or Medieval Knights , 1 v 1 scenario is different thing though , but that not how battle goes , plus even in 1 v 1 many thing depends on technique and weapons , armor , quality wise even in best v best scenarios Vikings would be in disadvantage ( maybe not against Samurais , maybe against archers and heavy infantry but not against regular soldiers , quality of forging in Japan was higher at that point but steal quality was not , so Vikings would have higher chances against Samurai )
@@creaturetransylvania8943 i understand, though physical size have advantages same with weight , it also have disadvantages , especially in given environment , ofc you are right about that fact , but also , i can't actually remember any major interaction where physical size of individuals was decider of the outcome , fact of Vikings being weaker force than Samurais doesn't change , even in case of 1 v 1 i would say Samurai would stand decent chance of defeating Viking due to better equipment and their profession being soldiers , though similar in extend could apply on Viking , difference in armor and quality of weapon , as well as it's way of use could still favor Samurai , however if we will talk generally not best v best , chances are on Vikings side ... but not in 11th century ( gap in equipment was too high , as well as way of fighting , Samurais mainly use horses , Vikings didn't Samurais were mid rang fighters , Vikings weren't , in battle their main enemy would be heavy infantry , and that's were i can argue about Vikings having lower chance . but let's be honest , Knights would always have highest chance of winning
Huh, people (in general) do see any weapon with wood to be less developed & less dangerous than all steel. Just like people see a rifle with wood to be less dangerous than the same rifle with a black tactical look
Kekistan Shitlord He does not mean war rofles but hunting rifles. There are amny examples on the internet, but to name one, Timber Classic Marlin 336C is a such.
@@exmas3284 lol what's an assault weapon? Do you mean battle rifles? Which need a weapon licence grade of 2 or higher meaning they would have to obtain military clearance check aka back ground check
MickleShiv When I saw that video and seen that he didn't mention pommels for vikings and knights a part of me died and the other wanted 2 throw a pommel at my monitor. Now I need a new monitor :(
Even if they were just rudimentary axes they are still incredibly effective weapons, this idea MattPat has that complicated means good kind of shows his lack of real knowledge
"Ah shit Meif Arikson! You ate all the sheep guts? Welp, get in the longboat, we're going to the British Isles. I think there's a sale on British blood in the small village we murdered last Wednesday."
@@babress3119 But they really had almost nothing to do with vikings, I mean, there is a time gap of like 700 years separating vikings and gauls. If I did wrong in pointing this important aspect, please, show me how. But if I did right, then why are you complaining?
they fckd around(litteraly too), but there are far more legendary forces in history. what about the mongols? Or as a Croatian to say we stopped the turkish invasion of Europe xD , there is more to it than just vikings, and also becouse they are overhyped in a way...not hatin i love nordic mithology and their history
FilmingNow Pride. It's a curse of those that follow and are advanced to think that because they are better. Everyone before was completely stupid. Same how some people think the founders of America couldn't forsee future firearm tech. Even though there was a demonstration of a rapid multishot firearm done for them. They almost bought it for the army. Also as explained the mental picture tends to leap to the popular example.
It's quite frustrating to see people believe that the people in the past were stupider than those today. As for an example of viking intelligence look at the boats they were the fastest boats of their time and under the right wind conditions they are faster than modern sailboats.
In the Viking Age, Denmark was woods and hills, Sweden was mostly woods and hills (depends on where you go) , but Norway was mountains and fjords and stuff.
I feel like we need a video game with sheep-mounted peasants with war-pitchforks. Their opposition? Captain Janeway and her army of cobalt warrior tarantulas! (Yes, I did just invoke SF Debris. Wut.) I feel like we have an award-winning game on our hands that can't possibly ever be sued for copyright violation. ;)
Matt Pat's handling of criticism in a nutshell: >Makes a video with a lot of cherry picked information >Someone makes a video debunking his theories with better data that goes against said theory >Said someone gets labeled as a hater
@@Mecanotech He made a comment, but deleted it. If you want to know what it is, I believe the KnightSquire or someone else included it in their comment section. I'll try to find it.
@@Mecanotech I couldn't find it, I'm sorry. But I do remember he basically shut everyone down and stood by his claims. Basically treated Skall and all the other video creators like angry kids. Also, someone said something about it in his original stream, and the guy was asked to leave. Also also, I recommend KnightSquire's two videos on it. One on the GameLab episode, and the other on this one. If you haven't already, of course.
@@zanir2387 heavy metal plates say hello, there's a documentary in netflix and a flintlock gun (i think, or was it a musket) literally had it's shot disintigrate after it made contact, it was at extremely close range too
nuh uh japonise samrie r mastrs of combot and can kil anytheng bcuz thei r cool and made amine ur jus jelis bcuz ur dum and don aprecate gud thing im not weeb if u call me 1 ur dum
The response to this video made by Matpat is awesome. You have Shad, who knows the most on Knights and focused on them in his video, the Metatron knows the most on Samurai and focused on them, and Skall knows the most about Vikings and focused on them in his video. It's really amazing.
I would argue Thregn & Thrand would know more about Vikings than Skall, mainly because he seems to be something of a generalist whereas they've specialized into that culture.
Lloyd Nix While that would have been awesome, it would have also created the impression that they were deliberately ganging up on MatPatt. No need to start a fanbase war.
This, I feel, is the best argument in GT's 'defense'. While I am incredibly anal and pedantic about historical martial arts, it would be just flat-out wrong to say he is at least any more wrong on history than the game itself.
Cause he only says things for views without actually doing anything in the way of fact checking. He's done that for more videos than I even care to count. His link is dead video made me lose any interest and hope for his channel
@@clarienne7583 i know you posted this a year ago. But just because it’s not historically accurate doesn’t mean it’s bad. Like in ghost of Tsushima is also completely unnacurate. The mongol invasion happened yes. But in Tsushima it was a quest and they kept taking over the castles. While on the real deal they basically had no enemies at the beach cuz no one came to defend that island. And when they tried to get to the main island, they got their ass beat and immediately turned around. And khotun kan also didn’t even exist. But that didn’t make it a bad game. Point made. Bye
Nasty McJackass He was hard pressed for time and shoehorned in a video inbetween a two-parter 'cuz the fans don't like waiting two parters. He simply didn't have enough time for proper research
The matter of fact is simply this: You cannot even begin to have a rational discussion about Samurai (and to a lesser degree Vikings) without first cutting through a MOUNTAIN of romanticized bull crap with no basis in reality.
ARE you implying sir/madam that the people that the people who make our movies would do anything other than tell us the truth?... If so then I would have to say that you sir/madam are woefully mistaken, & at great risk of misinforming the today's youth...... That's all I got..... PEACE OUT!
For Honor 2: a totally historically accurate game! In this sequel instead of Knights vs. Vikings vs. Samurai, we have Sheep-Mounted Peasants wielding slightly pointy pitchforks vs. Nudist Drunkards that live in a “frozen wasteland” yet wear minimal clothing vs. Disturbed Rice Farmers that are armed with the all powerful god-swords fe punny mortals refer to as Katanas that can cut through space and time * *Maximum sarcasm limit reached* *
as a side note, I believe For Honor classifies it's self as a fantasy game. While it does seem more based in reality than something like lord of the rings or skyrim, it does still understand it isn't a history lesson.
And the game creators would certainly agree. Matpat treated it to his own _unique_ understanding of history, though. That was the whole point of his video.
It is, if I recall correctly, the game is placed 1000 years after these civilizations started fighting each other, so there's an explanation for historically inacurate stuff. Besides there's a god of destruction or something in a physical manifest that wants everybody to fight and die.
The game knows it's a game. The point of Matpat's video is to project historical accuracy onto the game content, in order to determine who the eventual victor would be. His lack of mastery of the historical content (*not that of the game*) is the travesty that is being responded to. No one gives a shit about the game being inaccurate. It's a game.
well, when your understanding of history becomes a little TOO unique, then fantasy may be a more apropriate term for it, nothing against him making a video based on what he thinks he knows, its mostly for entertainment rather then education anyway, but saying its historical in any way warrants at least someone to go and say "guys this isnt actual history, this guy is just talking about his preconceptions about vikings, he didnt even bother googling it"
@@luukthijssen4917 Well that isn’t saying much. The sets used some pop cultural misconceptions like horned helmets which they never wore in reality due it being only a way to lose your helmet from a grapple. It was mostly focused on rule of cool anyways with the set facing them off against mythical creatures like the Sea Serpent.
Hahaha, the little bit about Norwegians going over the border to buy cheap stuff in Sweden is so hilariously on-point and accurate. Too real man, too real. Signed, a Norwegian that frequently laments the price difference in question....
We norwegians actually often sail to denmark to get cheaper alcohol too tbh My parents a few times went grocery shopping to denmark when i was a kid, note that we lived in kristiansand.
As used to be the case here in Canada if you lived close to the border! Then we realized the additional taxes we had to pay coming back with the goods made it hardly worth it. Don't know if you guys can relate?
Dude. I love Wales and all that plus being Irish I have no right to laugh at negative military stereotypes because we haven't one a single war EVER but that image is too freaking funny.
Ty Adams If you talk about perfecting steel, might I remind you that the Japanese didn't even have forges hot enough to fully melt the ferrite sand they made weapons out of. That's why they needed to fiddle with the whole folding many times over to get rid of the excess carbon and get actual steel out of it. It still wasn't the same as the crucible monosteel Europeans used, but at least perfectly serviceable.
@@lukatosic09 i almost feel bad for the guy. As much as I hate how inaccurate his video was ive found like 5 videos going after him for that. Meanwhile no one does the same for the other game theory guy who has crap theories
I'm 4 months late ,but this is how it went. Shad explains that matpat is wrong calmly, Metatron pushes him against the wall, and Skallagrim doesn't say anything at all. He just stabs him.
Actually the majority of swords used did not have detatchable pommels. and specially if lookign at that time period From the 11th century we dont (as far as i know) have any evidence that they had threaded pommes so they could unscrew them so the knights in this case would almost certain not have detatchable pommels :) I did just make a serious reply on a comment about pommel throwing. I guess that is a bit stupid :)
well the interned is basically used for 2 things. 1: Looking at cute or funny cat pics or videos. 2: Arguing with complete strangers over silly things. I don't like looking at cap pics so...
It's not that simple, good sir! Knights have detachable pommels, but the Samurai's weapon can cut through the fabric of time and space! And don't forget the Viking is Scandinavian. His war cry will instantly kill both warriors. It shall be a match decided by who overkills first. I'm getting even more terrible at sarcasm. And that's saying something.
I mean, the knights have the most impenetrable armor out of the three. it might be heavy and slightly limiting, but honestly it makes it hard to hurt the wearer with a blade. that being said, I think it's also their biggest weakness too, since they'll be the slowest of the three, and if you knock them down the process to stand back up is a long enough window to push them down again and get at the weak points of the suit.
He's getting to be increasingly wrong on a large amount of things though. It is really not that difficult, I don't think, to gain a passable knowledge of a topic in a relatively short time. Accounts from Arab Travelers and Historians at the time (which are incredibly easy to find summaries of) would point out that they were very accomplished traders, and had distinct population centers, and tended to care more about cleaniness than most Europeans in the same time frame. He's just getting really sloppy.
What I really like is how you make it clear that the point of this video isn’t to refute who would win/who is better, but instead you point out the inaccuracies in his video. Good on you!
Something that has not been mentioned much in those debunking videos is the thing that both vikings and knights where used to fight different cultures. specially the vikings. as they did travel over almost the whole known world. So they where used to adapt depending on what they was facing and had experience of facing several types of warriors with different equiptment, tactics and so on. While Samurais did pretty much only fight warriors from same culture as themself. They did basically only fight other japanese wariors. besides the mongolian invasions they never really fought anyothign else than other japanese warriors. This fact would give both knights and vikings an advantage.
That's an odd thing about the setting in For Honor anyway... Supposedly there has been war for a long time, so you'd think the different factions maybe adapt their equipment to be more effective against their opponents? I'd expect the Vikings to scavenge some plate armor, maybe find out where the knights get their large quantities of quality iron ore from and raid their supply, and even try to capture armorers.
True. and that rases another question. if thse 3 factions has been fighting each other for a long time why havent the equiptment changed more. If knights and samurais had been fighting each other historically i am sure that both knight armor and weapon would have evolved in another way, same with Samurai armor and weapons. But i was more thinking from a historical point of view as he did claim to look at this from a historical and realistic point of view :) And By the way great Video as usual. keep the good work up
The basis of the game is that they were separate but there was a earth shift of some sort which brought them all together and for no reason they fight over resources (Which could be shared)
+Xeph yeah i know about the lore/history in the game. And personally i don't mind at all. It is a fantasy game. and its not a very lore heavy game where that is a huge part of the gameplay. so that it is not that logical is fine . But as i said before. MatPat did a vide where he claimed to look at it from a real historical perspective so in that case the lore of the game does not matter.
To whoever did the captions for this video: You did an *awesome* job on them! I was able to listen to this video with 0 volume on the train and get everything. Usually TH-cam captions, especially autogenerated ones, have some inaccuracies where I'm doing double duty to try figuring out what was actually said. (Being hard of hearing, I also use captions when having the sound on too.) And when the captions are good, that's nice. But you, whoever captioned this, went above and beyond to even add in notes about his tone of voice and other things that made it like I was reading a professional transcript. So good job. Your work is appreciated.
Ha ha ha, I see you're bringing out the big guns. Very well sir you leave me no choice, I'll take your katana and raise you a pasta fuelled spandau wielding pommel breathing dragon in return. (then the universe explodes due to overkill) ^_^ On a side note it's great to see you Gopher, love your work!
Sea cucumber It's a variation of an old technique that seems to have appeared after the fall of Rome where one unscrews the pommel of the weapon and uses it as a projectile in order to hit the killing blow. It seems to have been very effective in duels, but it became less prevalent on the battlefield as unscrewing the pommel severely reduces the effectiveness of any weapon. It was also a difficult skill to master, so in later periods the pommel would not have the ability to be thrown, because their commanders feared that less experienced men might throw their pommels prematurely, which would severely diminish their forces.
Deadlyaztec27 I know about the pommel meme this community has. I just thought that after unscrewing the head you would use the head as a projectile rather than the handle.
That's it, we have the holy Trinity of historical combat TH-camrs, Mettaton, Shad and now Skallagrim. I wonder what Matt's response video will be like.
Be careful about bows. Since you are from scotland, any Londoner has a right to shoot you if you will walk into London with a bow. It is limited to some location in london, and it is not every day. But if you will have a bad luck...
"Viking blood" isn't a thing, no more than "pirate blood" or "janitor blood" ... someone's occupation isn't genetic lol. What you mean is some Scandinavian ancestry, and that's pretty common amongst Europeans.
Knights would easily beat vikings because most vikings aren't trained in military art. Samurai maybe could take a knight depending on what the battle fight.
Most of the viking where regular folks, with skill in more blunt weapons, they used to be more like "pirates", invading weak places, stealing everything and burning it down, there was of course some skill being used, but they didnt have a special training like knights or samurais, so... vikings where more a instinctive thing than anything else. (Pardon my english)
Corvina SenPAIN somewhat.. they were a warrior culture. Now military strategist?? Eh that's arguable. When Southern European united they did decimate vikings. Even if you exclude horses. They were better strategists and utilized armor and tactics better. But the vikings weren't far behind and even the most untrained viking warriors portrayed an aura of ruthlessness and bravado that resonated with veteran town guards and even knights.
"Rudimentary axes"... My HEMA instructor once let me play with his replica Viking bearded axe and that thing handled like a cavalry saber. An AXE had a comparable balance to a SABER. Now assuming this replica is accurate (and no reason not to; my instructor always had a good nose for accurate replicas) that is FAR from "rudimentary".
Good axes were so well balanced you couldn't tell them apart from a good sword, and they were a pleasure to swing. Well... I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the Idea :)
What a nice experience. I've never held a high quality axe, so the weapon has always seemed strange to me. I imagine its partly because in modern culture the axe is exclusively utilitarian, however the knife is treated by an elite few as a tactical weapon even though its possessed of the same utility.
They would have bring such a huge improvement to his video, facts-side. I actually think it's a great idea to ask to a specialized dude a bit of a hand for his videos featuring historical themes. Keep up the thinking Dash, u smart.
DashXero He said "I did the research with Austin from The Science!" Austin? You mean a millenial with 0 experience in viking/samurai/knight history? K MatPat. Oook.
Matpat should really stick to lore theories and math/science based theories and stay away from history. Leave the history to Gaijin Goomba if anyone, and in the case of combat and martial arts, guys like Skallagrim.
7:12 he forgot to mention something super badass about Rollo. He was called “Rollo the walker” because he was reportedly so tall and bulky, he couldn’t ride a horse
Japanese technology has been "behind" other technologies. They had other values, priorities and resources. Some stuff was incredibly advanced for the context. Other stuff was stone age for the context. I know of no other society with such a mix of technology. Tradition would often trump new things unless there was a huge advantage without a huge cost also.
@@hanz2904 the katana and related technologies as well as armor and bow/arrow and military tactics. They rejected trade. They had the most advanced trash metal that could be made. They didn't adopt modern equipment until World War I. Yet they hung onto their swords even after World War II.
@@johnchestnut5340 That's not strictly true, it would more accurate to say that they kept on decent pace with everywhere else until the late 16th century, around which point they closed off entirely and did not advance at all for nearly 300 years, until they underwent rapid modernization after Perry's ships forced them to reopen
@@whensomethingcriesagain You can nitpick exceptions based on time period. But generally it's true. If you go back far enough, they were more advanced than other societies. But they are so stuck with tradition and culture that change doesn't come easily. That happened recently in human history but was still a long time ago. Anyway, they're here with the rest of us. One can't say that hurt them. Several societies have gone through technology setbacks. Advance, lose/retreat, advance again. Japan had fewer losses and slower advancement. Greeks had lots of losses. Romans had more advances through conquest. World War II changed everything for the entire world. Japan still has a mix of old and new. Many cultures can't remember more than two generations back. Jews are an exception. But that is more cultural than technological.
I love matpat's theories on things purely within the game (eg Link is dead in Majora's Mask) but anytime he gives "facts" on history or science you better double check them. As a physics student I can tell you that anytime he tries to calculate force, velocity, momentum etc. it's complete bullocks.
Even when it comes to lore, it pisses me off when someone is wrong, even when matpat got so much grossly wrong with his "link is dead" video (several debunking a number of his claims) I lost interest in his channel after that
Everyone knows salt water instantly instantly corrodes metal armor. That's why conquistadors didn't wear any. Nor did the Romans or the Greeks, or any other Mediterranean people. And why ships didn't have any metal parts. You know, self explanatory things
@@jonaskong8123 fair enough. You can add me to that list. English isn't my first language so yeah that probably makes me ignorant. How do you explain your dimwittedness though?
I love Japanese history and such. I study them more than any of the other subjects discussed in the video. Specifically the wars leading up to the start of the meji era/the fall of the samurai. One of the most drastic cultural shifts in history. I love the history of the Japanese and the samurai more than I do western history. I just find it more interesting. they're easily one of my favorite subjects, however. anybody that studies them should know damn well they would lose were it to come to full scale war between the three. inferior metals, very very very light armor. but game theory said samurai win because they have arrows. fucking. arrows. because plate armor and shields don't exist, and better equipped European knights didn't have arrows as well or anything right? As far as I know, he has yet to correct himself. so in my book he doesn't give a damn about misinforming thousands of people that don't take the time to educate themselves and eat up whatever he says like hot cakes. You would not believe how many of my friends that watch him have tried debating that the samurai were undoubtedly the best of the three and would easily win in a conflict. it makes me cringe so hard because I actually study the guys. But now a pool of ignorance seems to have just spilled everywhere, simply because of game theory's ONE video. Thanks for informing the masses and educating others, love your videos.
Neo Franklin2 ikr? I like the japanese, i really do, but when it comes to warfare, the japanese have never in history been able to really stay on par with the rest of the world, they are starting to get it nowadays, but even up into WWII, their equipment was vastly inferior, the thing that made them a recognizable threat, was the fact they fight like crazy berserkers, if you do look even at how one fights with a katana, it may look elegant, but its more agressive and brutalist, focusing and trying to end your opponent on the first strike
3 years and i still laugh when i hear "all the animals are frozen" Dont ask me why, but its just funny to thinl about Norways favorite animals living their lifes rolling around inside an ice ball
I would imagine visiting Norway and seeing statues everywhere. Then when I approach them, realize that all the 'statues' are actually frozen stiff animals.
You are right, such a fight would depend on more than just what was examined here. But since everyone is here, Metatron, Shadiversity, Skallagrim.... Roll initiative.
I think people should just stop fucking comparing ancient warriors from varying lands as most of them have and never will be able to fight eachother. The answer to any knight vs. viking vs. samurai vs. ninja vs. tibetan monk vs. indian archer vs. fucking m16 wielding infantry vs. phaser wielding romulan discussion is: It depends.
I think For Honor can best be described as a 300 style videogame but with Vikings, Knights and Samurai instead of Spartans. And should also not be seen as anything historical. Just fun fantasy violence somewhat based on history.
Willem Verheij this is the best way of looking at it. It is a Mortal Kombat, but with historic flavors foe the characters and no focus on the supernatural.
Definitely. It takes from historical techniques and elements, sure, but at the end of the day it's still a fantasy game that shouldn't be taken as historically accurate. That being said, I'm glad they kept some elements of historical martial arts instead of the typical flailing around of Holywood films and stuff since stuff like Halfswording does look really cool and unique.
One point that MatPat tried to make was that knights and samurai used horses, giving them tremendous advantage over the vikings... however, if we are assuming that the knights/samurai can use their horses, why not assume that the vikings can use their boats/ships? A common stereotypical viking tactic would be to raid towns near the coast, taking them by surprise. Horses can't do much to chase boats/ships... Anyway, great video.
Nym Alous the worst part is when he discusses knight vs samurai, he completely ditches the knight's horse and goes, "samurai win cause bows and horses"
XD Imagine a knight and a squire on an armoured horse and a samurai on a japanese battle horse just dueling in an arena and suddenly a fucking ship bust in lol
Historians disagree how reliable his account is, but it's worth noting that in his acccount of the Viking Siege of Paris, the monk Abbo Cernuus claims the Viking arrows were poisoned, which raises the stakes for even being scratched by one.
They are made after the fantasy of what we suppose them as. Like knights, they are sort of armored, but not tin canned, and their helmets have all sorts of very odd ornaments, and they swords are insanely huge. This is made after the concept of what a knight was, whilst pushing the idea of what a knight was over the top, to make it more apparent that you are in fact playing a knight. And Vikings did armor up yes. but were known to fight half naked, and or without torso armor-Clothing simply, to intimidate or show off scars, tattoo's and other things. Blood would also be more apparent on their skin, making them even more terrifying.
mrdrebin123 I'm sorry mate but this is absolutely not true... vikings were not known for fighting halt naked or showing scars. Celts did to a certain extent (if I'm not misstaken). Absolutely wrong, false and factually inaccurate.
Bored Guy yeah sure, besides the numerous texts written by monks and such after meeting them. Despite all the archeological finds etcetera... Not one text describes them as halt naked screaming lunatics despite the tendency to demonize them...
I'm pretty sure I read about some Vikings that would actually ritualistically get drunk or high on drugs and charge into battle naked. It could be a good way to scare the enemy, but I imagine the only ones who would do it were religious extremist.
Hey there I was really looking forward to this and you surely didn't disappont, very well made and well presented. I liked the point you drew about the Viking using bone knives and bone axes if iron was really that easy to rust, that was priceless :D ps: "sheep mounted peasants with pitch forks" ahahahahah I lost it there xD pps: I mostly focused my studied on Japanese armour and society so I don't know a lot about yumi but I can read Japanese so I will look for some info and get back to you on this on a dedicated video, I think it could be interesting.
Thanks! It would definitely be interesting to find out more about the yumi. I was also wondering about the technique that I've seen in modern kyudo. No idea how traditional it is, but I find it odd that they would start in a position where they hold the bow in front of their chest with outstretched arms and then draw from there. Mechanically that's a really ineffective position to start the draw, since it forces you to draw with just the arms first instead of engaging the stronger back muscles immediately. Again, I don't know if they did that in historical times, but it seems to be that this technique limits the maximum feasible draw weight a lot.
Greatest quote from Skallagrim: " you might aswell put sheep mounted pitchfork wealding peasants and put them in the knight category and put them up against the samurai" end quote. What a work of exceptional piece of art
To be fair, I'd totally buy a game where you get European pitchfork peasants on sheepback vs. Japanese peasants riding some variety of goat or something (?) and wielding period-appropriate farming tools of their own.
Weirdly when I heard that line, I instead started imagining some remote clan of shepherds, famous for their warhorse sized sheep. Wool so thick it cannot be penetrated by arrow nor sword, and curled horns that can crush an armoured knight during a ram. The peasant farmer shepherds being physically imposing giants for having to work with such gigantic livestock every day. Their weapons may still be pitch forks and dismantled sheep sheers split into halves, but they'd fearlessly take on a knight any day to defend their flock and the pastures of their homeland. And I've not even mentioned the sheep dogs yet...
Haha that sounds great! My idea of them was much less epic; a bunch of crazy toothless guys with straw hats hobbling along on sheepback while the attacking samurai (or maybe saturday-vikings) just look confusedly at each other.
As a norwegian who frequents the swedish border to do grocery shopping (it's like half price) I feel super called out right now
It's an absolute life hack
this question is a little late but, what about customs taxes ? Do the border guards just let you trough with a car-load of foreign goods without any fee ?
@@patrickmartin2236 It's a pretty long border so I can't say for sure. But I take a free bus ride (payd by Sweden I believe) for a few hours that travels to a specific grocery store. So many people do it that they still earn money from it.
Basically as far as my situation goes, it's only food items and they're either tax free, or they're even cheaper than I thought that even with tax they half of what norwegian prices are.
@@patrickmartin2236 There's basicly no border guard, maybe close to Oslo, but further up you can just drive over the border like it's nothing, sometimes there's not even signs, so it can be hard to tell what country you are in.
@@patrickmartin2236 there are no border guards. while not being part of the eu norway is part of schengen. meaning open borders with other schengen members.
"The Vikings had rudimentary axes..."
That's an awfully bold statement for someone within raiding range.
Bwhahaha, good one!
I just tested myself on my samurai armor with a katana.
It's equal to what I've seen with mails or light plates, it scrapes and buckles it. But doesn't penetrate through the armor.
So I'd say it's equal and it's all up to the fighters experience, skills and hearts.
Bjorn, get the longboat
We have some shopping to do
@@nr1NPC It's because the katana is designed to cut flesh, and the samurai armor is designed to protect against cuts.
@@EyelessEntity It's almost like the weapon and armour evolved concurrently in an arms race between attack and defense, with each trying to counter the other over time.
The medieval enthusiast youtubers are honestly the greatest communities you'll find on this platform.
This is my opinion too ^_^ Now I'm not just saying this because I am one of them. The fact that we can disagree on occasion with such respect and friendliness has impressed me for a long time.
exactly, its really nice to see :)
Did you look under the comments on MatPats vid? The "Medieval enthusiast" are rather, well, not "nice" in the comment section. And i don´t see any "respect" or "friendliness" but i saw alot of hate and spite.
Shadiversity Im proud to be here :)
Sebbl´s Allerlei The medieval enthusiasts are not going to be nice to people who are just sellouts
"Sheep mounted peasants with pitchforks"
Somebody write that down. We need to mod this into a total war game or something.
TABS anyone?
Oh yeah...
Or a half-life mod, they still would've been stronger and better organized than Combine...
for warband
Let them be in warhammer but make it half ling cavalry and the lore would be every time one of the sheep died in battle the halflings immediately went to prep it for cooking stew and lamb chops
its like Skallagrim, Metatron and Shadiversity had an agreement to correct the misinformation from this video, each covering the warriors they are most educated about. Metatron covers Samurais and Shadiversity cover the knights.
I know, it's freaky how unintentionally coordinated this was o.0
It has really impressed me with how the whole medieval weapons community have come together in defence of the truth.
Was it unintentional? They all seem at least somewhat friendly together.
Lol You guys should do more videos together! and if matpat wants to do a video on some weapon stuff , please help him out! His content will greatly improve with your guys' help
Thanks for all the work you do
Phyz Never forget SnapJelly!
That would be sick, Matpat having these guys in a video to discuss some of the historical accuracy of some aspect of a certain videogame.
As a Swede I can confirm that Norway is starting to get pretty annoying with all their raids
Skrrt Ronalds Ja, varför håller de på att sno våran mat hela tiden😩
Håller med
Poor Ullared is raided and empty.
Yeah I feel you man. I'm an American and this asshole Leif just came up on our shores and started taking all our trees and shit.
@@juniperrodley9843 i think Leif is high on mushrooms again.. we have plenty off trees here in scandinavia, sorry about that...
Such a great video. Man I was kicking myself for not addressing the food stuff, frozen wasteland and Viking weapons comments, my video would have been too long, but you’ve addressed those perfectly, better than I could have. I would add that the Kite Shield can also have a center-grip as we see on the bayeux tapestry and other sources, one of the reasons why I love that shield so much ^_^ but this isn’t to detract from the versatility of the great round shields popular among the vikings.
I LOVED that you addressed the samurai bows and archery in general. Thanks again for the superb work mate!
Right, I haven't handled a centergrip kite shield so far, although I'd imagine it's probably not unlike a Celtic shield.
+Skallagrim There's a lot of similarities but one difference is that because the grip can be significantly off-center on the vertical plane to the center-of-balance (due to the extended point) the kite shield naturally falls to a vertical position with a decent amount of insistence. I've found this to be beneficial for a number of reasons but I happily admit I'm total a kite shield fanboy ^_^
Shadiversity The kite shield shares similarities with the roman shield, wich was used in a similar way. But the kite shield was designed to be used on horseback wich is it's main advantage, but not so much as an offensive tool. :) And btw you, Skall and Metatron should do a colab video on this trying to pick a winner, each arguing for their own side. A good day to both of you from a big fan of you both :)
+Gašper Žuber I've actually had a really interesting conversation with Matt Easton regarding the kite shield being a specialised cavalry shield, something of which we both disagree with, instead we conclude that the Kite Shield is far more effective on foot though it most certainly is still very effective on horseback. (just search kite shield on both our channels and you'll find our videos, one of mine is a direct response video to matt).
Shadiversity I have watched both videos before no worries ;) I just disagree the the extended bottom part gets in the ways. My personal opinion is that it was designed this way so it coverd up your leg on the left flank of the horse, wich is always really vounurable. On the right side you make your ofensive moves with your lance, while the left is safe due to the long shield. It's up to the horseman to maneuer the horse so he is always protected. But again opinions do vary and I see your point :)
7:51
“What is rudimentary about Viking shields?”
*pulls one out of thin air*
I was laughing my ass off with that.
He just crafted it, didn’t you see?
Teleportation 100
BEHOLD, random shield out of nowhere.
@@Darksky1001able the magic of the vikings... Making shields appear out If thin air 😂
Haha you say that both you and MatPat have your channels for entertainment and not education, primarily. You then proceed to drop insane amounts of knowledge for 20 minutes. You're the best.
Well, I'd rather overdeliver than overpromise.
+Skallagrim sounds like a stronghold saying. Better to have too many archers and crossbow men on the walls than to few.
+Forest elfranger
[Throngs of archers and arbalists literally scrunched up against each other with various limbs comically sticking out like messy piles of paper]
Joshua Madoc And to top it all of several ballista that fires peasants wielding pitchforks
And the peasants are mounted on armored angry looking sheep.
To those who are interested in Viking history - please throw aside Skallagrim's claim that he is not a historian. You would have to spend a month reading through volumes of scriptures (which I did) to get to the same precise conclusions that Skallagrim presents here in less than 19 minutes. It is very very accurate ... and I am quite impressed. +1 million subs well earned!
I realized the same. He's far more knowledageable in history than he gives himself credit for.
what scriptures?
I'm came to the same conclusion, he's very humble about it.
By scripture do you mean the Anglo-Saxon chronicles written like a Brothers Grim fairy tale when It comes to vikings
It is important to note he isn't a historian though. Dan Carlin is one of the most well versed teachers of history I've ever experience and he always reminds you he is not a historian. I think it has to do with A.) respect for those who do it as their life B.) the requirements of actually being a historian, including travel and peer review backing for most statements or discoveries, etc. and C.) It's just not their job so they aren't historians, but instead "fans of history"
Dan Carlin has the best series on The Mongols and many other civilizations that I have ever listened to.
"You're supposed to attack the argument not the person" words of a wise man
True words but lot of peaple comment a good point with insults like dumass
Dumbass
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@@fulcrum2951 replying to an 11 old month comment lmao
@@TheLunarMan Only you gave a shit lmao
Shad with the knights
Metatron with the samurai
Skall with the vikings
The holy sword trio has united to debunk matpat 3 times over.
Metatron = The Samurai
Skallagrim = The Viking
Shadiversity =The Knight
Personally I'd say Shad's more like a castle architect considering his knowledge in medieval architecture is almost second to none among peers.
Matpat = annoying kid trying to be a pro at everything
Lindybeige = The Beserker!
Matt Easton = the context
PewDiePie = The gamer/Memer
I'm just sitting here laughing my ass off at the concept of literally the entire population of Scandinavia sailing up to the British coast, thousands of longboats slowly closing in as a pair of englishmen look on from a high cliff.
"Well William, looks like it's gonna be one of those days."
Criminalupper2200 Like the Germans on Omaha, looking out over the allied fleet "Well, shit, Hans, I guess it's gonna be one of those days".
Criminalupper2200 xD i live in scandinavia... i would love to do that
Sounds like something outta Monte Python XD
"John, the varmin- vikings are acting up again, get me my shotg- longbow."
The entire population of Scandinavia wouldn't even fit into Britain so they wouldn't have helped themselves much.
"Honey, we're low on cheese again. Do me a favor when you're raiding London, pick me up a wheel of cheddar, that's a dear heart."
[On the way out] "Oh, and can you also get me some of that stuff they drink over there? I think the Traveling Merchant called it 'Tea'. Thanks Karn."
Paul Solis
the neighbor: hey Bjorn going to London to raid again?
hoosieryank67 NEVER ILL PROTECT MY CHEESE WITH MY LIFE
"Sorry honey, I'm off to London and going off my diet. Not that often a man goes to England for the food, but...there you go."
drunk zombie slayer. I mean you can try but Idk if that'll be effective
Game Theory: samurai used horses, they would win.
Knights (the soldiers defined by being cavalry): Am I a joke to you?
Father Lawbringer Vikings riding their wooden horses (ships) across the water: I win because of a technicality!
Wing hussar: This is getting good! Let's watch the carnage!
Rough rider: I brought the beers, wings and other stuff. I'm gonna bet on the knight.
Cossack: hi! I'm here for the show.
@@articusramos808 Rommle’s tank division: I ride my metal horses. Fear me
And the winged husars arrived
You do realize it was a theory, a game theory
I like how a a Viking History channel, a Japanese history channel and a European history channel all responded to the vid.
But did they walk into a bar?
There is evidence that there were possibly some 'Viking settlements' in Finland, unfortunately a lot of the historical evidence was destroyed during the Northern Crusades and other invasions. And as numerous sources from the Roman period onward mention various kings of Finland, it is completely possible that Finland also had Vikings.
TheInsaneComputer Gamer They Overreacted.
Correcting someone's mistakes is overreacting?
Jack Rabbit Making Entire Video Trying To Correct Him Is Overreacting.
"Brøgornlïl have you done the grocery raid yet?" Nooo mom, I've been too busy showing off my muscles in the freezing cold!
OMG great comment
Oh shit your why are you nipples black!
Don't you mean frozen hellscape that people, for no apperant reason, decided to live in
"ikke endnu Mor"
Lïl' Brøgorn
Matpat: the samurai would win because of archery!
Shields: I’m about end this man’s whole career...
@Kenken Anthony Not really, depends on power and vikings never used leather.
@Rafael Lopez Knights still used heater shields as they did not want to get hit anyhow and if they got charged by horse. But yes heater was for combat not ageinst archers
@Rafael Lopez Sure but most knights still prefered to have a shield anyways even if you got plate its not fun to get hit in the fucking head...
@@Jow2002 KITE SHIELD GANG
samurai would be fucked in close and long range by knights, and Vikings were armoured enough to survive a blow from a katana when struck anywhere except the most vulnerable areas.
@Rafael Lopez Sorry for interfearing your discussion. True fact shields died out faster than plate armor. And there have been plate armor that could even stop rifle bullets at some point in history. Think Henry VIII did own such armor tho it was expensive as !(%¤ and a few selected did own such armor. Anyways plate armor is good no discussion BUT you aren't godlike cuz of it. in history a clothed wearing pesant could beat a full plate protected knight in a 1v1 situation if he had the right gear. Full armor makes you a bit slower depending on if it is heavier or light. in some cases the knight could barley feel he had armor on cuz they was well fitted to the individual ofc. but still a person with no armor should still be a bit faster and smoother in the movements. Then the wepon of choice. A longer 2H wepon is ofc good cuz of the reach no doubt. but all kind of wepons like armor have weakness of some sort. I myself do fight and i am training with round shield 1H axe and 1H spear. In the traing we have done with all sorts of wepons i have bested 2H wepons of most types cuz of the shield. and for the plate sure won't bleed to death if he get hit by let's say an axe but he still get "crush" injuries cuz im hitting the plate. the plate absorbs the impact but to a price. that is why warhammers came a while after plate came to basicly crush the man inside the historical "Bulldozer" armor then they added spikes to puch through pretty easy.
I love how there was a historical martial arts TH-camr to represent every single faction that MatPat offended. It's like the three factions sending their nerdiest representatives to seek intellectual vengeance.
Yes except this guy seems more like a badass than a nerd lol
@@ostrich3335 you have to be a badass to represent vikings. Even if you're a scholar.
LMAO! Underrated comment. Best comment by far in this video!
@@ostrich3335 nerd
@@DieEineMieze I do rowing of course I’m a nerd
Wait, we're supposed to PAY for the food we get in sweden?
Ah shit. I've been raiding since 1993. Such a bummer :(
Jävla norrmän, sluta sätta eld på våra ICA-butiker
@@oljo0527 Lol, totally. Save it for the Irish or whomever.
Rule 1 of Vikings: Don't Raid At Home.
(P.S. My Swedish is pretty bad, but correct if I'm wrong--you said something like 'Damn Norseman, stop setting fire to our ICA shops'. Personally, if that's the shop I'm thinking of, I wouldn't mind raiding them a bit because they're freaking expensive...but you know...I only visit Sweden to visit family and I might be thinking of the wrong grocery store.)
@@MrBrachiatingApe No ICA is expensive, I'm impressed at your swedish though. Don't be discouraged, keep on keeping on etc!
@@oljo0527 Thanks, man--I appreciate it. Not much chance to practice Swedish where I live, unfortunately, so it waxes and wanes according to the free time I have.
In which part do you live, if I may ask? I mostly visit Skane, but my family is originally from waaaaay up north, and I've traveled somewhat extensively across the country over the years. (If you prefer not to say, no prob--privacy is important.)
@@MrBrachiatingApe I'm from Skövde, in Västergötland
Pure hillbilly land tbh but the people are cool enough once you drop any big city acting haha
Skåne is pretty nice, too close to denmark for me though, and Norrland is too far away from family, otherwise I'd easily move all the way up
Knights have pommels.
Check mate, Samurai and Vikings (from For Honor).
Viking Swords also have pommels.
The God Emperor Well vikings also had swords with pommels. Just the same kind like in France or Italy.
Vikings have Thor reflecting the pommels with Mjolnir :p
MrYayayify+
Yea but they'd never expect someone to throw it at them
Isn't the Japanese "pommel" really more of a cap to keep the grip from unraveling? My cheapo katana just has a wooden knife-grip.
My favorite thing about this debunking is that you're not afraid to admit that you don't know some things. It leaves room for further study and improvement and more people need to think that way.
Especially important when discussing Japanese anything. Virtually all research on Japan is done by Japan and only in Japanese. Like fuck, English historians on the Sengoku still use Imperialist Japanese propaganda as historical evidence, something Japan stopped doing 50 years ago.
If the guy cant read Japanese, he will struggle to find any legit sources on Japanese weapons or historical events or tactics or anything really.
Anyone who plays the game knows he really wins.
The Vikings win, EVERY FREAKING SEASON.
So damn true
As a member of the Knight faction, I cry every season
Hello. Samurai here. I have no beef with the Knights. I would say that the Knights are the most honorable (Fun fact I'm a Lawbringer main). But SCREW THOSE DAMN VIKINGS! Shaman is the most angering I really hate her. Valkrie plays herself (like Shaman). Highlander is cool and I cant hate him. Raider is a bit too busted and SHOULD NOT have all that super armor. Warlord is a dick but whatever. Jöurmunger (?(Like the snake?)) Is I would dare say less broken Centurion. Hot take. I hate the Monks the most. Thanks for reading.
As a knight i think if our vultcano cultist started a crusade we would win
‘Tis true
Wrong. Vikings were steroid ridden, brutish psychopaths hardened by the cold North. Their axes (they didn't use other weapons) were rudimentary because everyone was too busy working out and punching trees down for boats so there was no time for smithing. No one had chainmail because all vikings were forced to eat the iron due to lack of fertile lands and the fact all animals were frozen, this is what made Vikings so tough. All of this doesn't matter though because Samurai are Japanese just like anime, so they're obviously superior.
Yeah, its all so obvious! Why don't people acknowledge that!
Maarten van Rossem Lezingen lol what
Devon Freeman he's making a meme XP
Looks like you are repeating GameTheories video word for word.
Maarten van Rossem Lezingen Dumbass
Vikings are basically Mad Max characters.
BUT WITH BOATS
Now that's a sequel i would watch.
Are you saying there was a Viking who when on a raid would pick up his kickass half axe, half guitar and just start a kickass tune
So....Waterworld?
AND AXES
Mad max characters are based off vikings in the newer movie they LITERALLY reference Valhalla you know viking heaven.
I'm Norwegian. I loled like hell when you said we still go on raids to Sweden. Well played sir. Well played!
Arne Mortensen Get out of our country damn it, or we'll tie you up against our midsummer poles and dance like frogs around you!
Peldms63 Fear our Satanic wreath-penis rituals!
Atleast you've got a sympathizer here, eating all that fish must be a punishment worse than any Norwegian invasion ever was to us.
The fact that vikings (who were essentially farmers that raided when they had no work to do) are being compared to professional soldiers (knights and samurai), demonstrates that vikings were no joke.
That's a bit too do because the Viking people have the biggest average height.
@@creaturetransylvania8943 iap and that's not completely true , neither it's that useful in coordinated battles , reason why their raids always worked was focus on smaller to average towns and standings , while later campaigns where more coordinated i would argue that would have big difference against Samurai army or Medieval Knights , 1 v 1 scenario is different thing though , but that not how battle goes , plus even in 1 v 1 many thing depends on technique and weapons , armor , quality wise even in best v best scenarios Vikings would be in disadvantage ( maybe not against Samurais , maybe against archers and heavy infantry but not against regular soldiers , quality of forging in Japan was higher at that point but steal quality was not , so Vikings would have higher chances against Samurai )
ts duali I’m talking about as individuals,people who are more physically imposing are less joked about.
@@creaturetransylvania8943 i understand, though physical size have advantages same with weight , it also have disadvantages , especially in given environment , ofc you are right about that fact , but also , i can't actually remember any major interaction where physical size of individuals was decider of the outcome , fact of Vikings being weaker force than Samurais doesn't change , even in case of 1 v 1 i would say Samurai would stand decent chance of defeating Viking due to better equipment and their profession being soldiers , though similar in extend could apply on Viking , difference in armor and quality of weapon , as well as it's way of use could still favor Samurai , however if we will talk generally not best v best , chances are on Vikings side ... but not in 11th century ( gap in equipment was too high , as well as way of fighting , Samurais mainly use horses , Vikings didn't Samurais were mid rang fighters , Vikings weren't , in battle their main enemy would be heavy infantry , and that's were i can argue about Vikings having lower chance . but let's be honest , Knights would always have highest chance of winning
ts duali Yes I know.
What I’m straight up meaning is a 1v1 hand to hand combat.
Huh, people (in general) do see any weapon with wood to be less developed & less dangerous than all steel. Just like people see a rifle with wood to be less dangerous than the same rifle with a black tactical look
Kekistan Shitlord He does not mean war rofles but hunting rifles. There are amny examples on the internet, but to name one, Timber Classic Marlin 336C is a such.
@Kekistan Shitlord many hunting rifles like the cz 550 have wood stocks. Look it up.
Kekistan Shitlord rifles can have wood stop calling be people idiots because you can’t look it up yourself. Literally ak-47 there ya go
Ban assault weapons (>:
@@exmas3284 lol what's an assault weapon? Do you mean battle rifles? Which need a weapon licence grade of 2 or higher meaning they would have to obtain military clearance check aka back ground check
I think matpat entirely underestimated and ignored the power of the almighty pommel.
MickleShiv
When I saw that video and seen that he didn't mention pommels for vikings and knights a part of me died and the other wanted 2 throw a pommel at my monitor. Now I need a new monitor :(
Hakerbaba LOLO good thing I have 20 backup monitors for such occasions. my pommel throwing gets mad out of control
Could you explain to me why a pommel would be such a gamebreaker? Or is it perhaps just a joke?
LiveErrors search "end him rightly" and you will understand the joke
LiveErrors f
"the vikings only had rudimentary axes"
Skal: *grabs Dane axe*
So you where saying?
thatperson 001 I make Norse axes as a blacksmith for a re-enacting group. Nothing simple about them lol
@@MrArmystrong85 that's what I'm saying. It's in quotes. Skall provides answers. As always.
thatperson 001 I know I'm agreeing with u
Dane axes are terrific! 🤩
Even if they were just rudimentary axes they are still incredibly effective weapons, this idea MattPat has that complicated means good kind of shows his lack of real knowledge
Apparently MatPat thinks Vikings were Orcs
So does ubisoft lmao
Cut the trees
Mr Cruel World atleast its entertaining to watch lol
Attack me
Bruh even the orcs had better gear and bows, apparently Vikings are lesser
"Well Geirvaldur, looks like the milk's gone bad. Time to decimate the British isles again."
Damned Khornate Vikings; always raiding my freezer.
@Commy01 - that’s what you get for keeping your skulls and blood in there.
"Ah shit Meif Arikson! You ate all the sheep guts? Welp, get in the longboat, we're going to the British Isles. I think there's a sale on British blood in the small village we murdered last Wednesday."
Finally i'm the like 420
Oh shit Vikings quick get the bows to scare them off
Once again it seems like matt patt did his research on Vikings by watching a few episodes of Asterix & Obelix
Underrated comment
Honestly no. Well maybe the live action ones, but the comics are far too accurate to be his main source.
asterix and obelix are gauls, not vikings.
@@jimqueiroz4459 Yes but there are Vikings (well Norse but still very Viking like) in few stories.
@@babress3119 But they really had almost nothing to do with vikings, I mean, there is a time gap of like 700 years separating vikings and gauls. If I did wrong in pointing this important aspect, please, show me how. But if I did right, then why are you complaining?
Why do people think Vikings were stupid? I mean they had to be smart to become as legendary as they became. Matpat is really losing it.
FilmingNow I think it's the whole berserker thing. And once humans decide on something, even if it's wrong, it doesn't change easily.
they fckd around(litteraly too), but there are far more legendary forces in history. what about the mongols? Or as a Croatian to say we stopped the turkish invasion of Europe xD , there is more to it than just vikings, and also becouse they are overhyped in a way...not hatin i love nordic mithology and their history
FilmingNow Pride. It's a curse of those that follow and are advanced to think that because they are better. Everyone before was completely stupid. Same how some people think the founders of America couldn't forsee future firearm tech. Even though there was a demonstration of a rapid multishot firearm done for them. They almost bought it for the army. Also as explained the mental picture tends to leap to the popular example.
It's quite frustrating to see people believe that the people in the past were stupider than those today. As for an example of viking intelligence look at the boats they were the fastest boats of their time and under the right wind conditions they are faster than modern sailboats.
FilmingNow become legendary *giggles*
YOU ARE A RAIDER, LEGENDARY!
Denmark is literally all flat grassland and green hills. The frozen, mountainess stereotype must be of Norway.
And sweden, believe me.
CNAAZ A lot of Sweden is dense forest
In the Viking Age, Denmark was woods and hills, Sweden was mostly woods and hills (depends on where you go) , but Norway was mountains and fjords and stuff.
@@Defferleffer and a lot of it is mountains/fjäll
@@Ohiorizzler1234lol sweden has alot of mountains, especiely in the northern half but even in the south too
I was going to address that numpty in a video but you've made all the points I wished to convey! Thanks you! Skål brother!
Tyrodin woah. Didn't expect to see you here. Skal
Judging from your channel I'll assume your favorite timeline in history is probably the history of Mexico, yes?
oh hey tyodin
We need a Skallagrim impression, Tyrodin!
i thought you were a overwatch guy
"Sheep mounted peasants with pitchforks"
If I ever make some kind of medieval fantasy videogame, this is going in.
I feel like we need a video game with sheep-mounted peasants with war-pitchforks.
Their opposition? Captain Janeway and her army of cobalt warrior tarantulas! (Yes, I did just invoke SF Debris. Wut.)
I feel like we have an award-winning game on our hands that can't possibly ever be sued for copyright violation. ;)
Sheep mounted peasants with pitchforks vs Disturbed rice farmers vs AssNaked Drunktards
GOAT OF WAR
I'm going with World of WarSheep, personally.
Trademark, me, 2017!
Sly Goat Try Mount & Blade. :P
Matt Pat's handling of criticism in a nutshell:
>Makes a video with a lot of cherry picked information
>Someone makes a video debunking his theories with better data that goes against said theory
>Said someone gets labeled as a hater
MatPat responded to this?! Pls i want to know
@@Mecanotech He made a comment, but deleted it. If you want to know what it is, I believe the KnightSquire or someone else included it in their comment section. I'll try to find it.
@@V__31371 XD i used to respect mat a lot.
Fame changes people I guess
Pls let me know If you find something, I like drama XD
@@Mecanotech I couldn't find it, I'm sorry. But I do remember he basically shut everyone down and stood by his claims. Basically treated Skall and all the other video creators like angry kids. Also, someone said something about it in his original stream, and the guy was asked to leave. Also also, I recommend KnightSquire's two videos on it. One on the GameLab episode, and the other on this one. If you haven't already, of course.
@@V__31371 I remember a time when I thought Mat was this smart cool guy. Now I know about his theory thefts and crybaby attitude. I'm actually sad.
Matpat: samurai would win because of archery
Chainmail, gambesons, and shields: wut
Seph 1986 ok
Ok boomer
Tanegashima flintlocks says hello
@@zanir2387 A flintlock introduce to Japan by the Portuguese in the 1500's? What does that have to do with the discussion above?
@@zanir2387 heavy metal plates say hello, there's a documentary in netflix and a flintlock gun (i think, or was it a musket) literally had it's shot disintigrate after it made contact, it was at extremely close range too
For Honor: Swedes, Weebs, and Armored Dweebs.
Richard Barbaros Nords, weebs, and Deus vults
Weebs, Neckbeards, and Tin Cans
Richard Barabaros & Chris Walburn
Real Men, Anime Characters, and King Arthur's posse.
nuh uh japonise samrie r mastrs of combot and can kil anytheng bcuz thei r cool and made amine ur jus jelis bcuz ur dum and don aprecate gud thing im not weeb if u call me 1 ur dum
Kropolis ur eh Web met
The response to this video made by Matpat is awesome. You have Shad, who knows the most on Knights and focused on them in his video, the Metatron knows the most on Samurai and focused on them, and Skall knows the most about Vikings and focused on them in his video. It's really amazing.
They're like a historical martial arts Transformer!
With our powers combined, we are captain factual accuracy!
They should of done a massive collab. That would of made a very enjoyable and I think factually accurate video.
I would argue Thregn & Thrand would know more about Vikings than Skall, mainly because he seems to be something of a generalist whereas they've specialized into that culture.
Lloyd Nix
While that would have been awesome, it would have also created the impression that they were deliberately ganging up on MatPatt.
No need to start a fanbase war.
"What about viking shields?" *pulls out viking shield out of his pocket*
Gathoblaster lmao he’s a true viking i guess
That had me dying
Capsule Corp is always innovating.
😂😂😂
I'm dead
Why was GT’s historical analysis somehow _less_ accurate than the game itself?
This, I feel, is the best argument in GT's 'defense'. While I am incredibly anal and pedantic about historical martial arts, it would be just flat-out wrong to say he is at least any more wrong on history than the game itself.
Uh oh Bright is here, he now is somehow going around the foundation as a viking
Cause he only says things for views without actually doing anything in the way of fact checking. He's done that for more videos than I even care to count. His link is dead video made me lose any interest and hope for his channel
@@clarienne7583 i know you posted this a year ago. But just because it’s not historically accurate doesn’t mean it’s bad. Like in ghost of Tsushima is also completely unnacurate. The mongol invasion happened yes. But in Tsushima it was a quest and they kept taking over the castles. While on the real deal they basically had no enemies at the beach cuz no one came to defend that island. And when they tried to get to the main island, they got their ass beat and immediately turned around. And khotun kan also didn’t even exist. But that didn’t make it a bad game.
Point made. Bye
@@thedonkey6704 I never said it was a bad game. Just that it's ahistorical. One does not equal the other.
Now i want a Peasant Armed With Pitchforks to be added to For Honor
Gladiator
Give me them toes thanks for the clout.
I don't thinks it's supposed to be a horror game
"TOO ARMS!!!!"
-Peons of Azeroth
Their battlecry could be
*Its almost harvesting season*
Keep in mind that a peasent with a pitchfork killed GERALT OF RIVIA. The Butcher of Blaviken himself, killed by a fucking pitchfork!
The amount of negligence Matt showed was mind boggling.
Nasty McJackass He was hard pressed for time and shoehorned in a video inbetween a two-parter 'cuz the fans don't like waiting two parters. He simply didn't have enough time for proper research
Jedy Zichterman he never seems to have time for research , at least in his videos lately . at least from my point of view
Crimson Steel Moon (The Wolf)
Yeah, he doesn't really research much anymore.
Cuttle Fish yuppers
'Cause he's youtube red now. That's what taking his time. But again, that's a badly researched theory....
The matter of fact is simply this: You cannot even begin to have a rational discussion about Samurai (and to a lesser degree Vikings) without first cutting through a MOUNTAIN of romanticized bull crap with no basis in reality.
There are also a huge bullcrap about occidental knights. And hoplites. And...
ARE you implying sir/madam that the people that the people who make our movies would do anything other than tell us the truth?... If so then I would have to say that you sir/madam are woefully mistaken, & at great risk of misinforming the today's youth...... That's all I got..... PEACE OUT!
Which you could do with a katana.
@@Person01234 and or a Glock. Glocks are perfect FYI....
@@spokilt if only the truth was as entertaining as romance
Random Scandinavian farmer: *existed
Matpat: you're a viking
everyone: and you, Matpat are an uneducated idiot
*wats* a farmer
@@BlueVenom9 synonym for viking
@@fliegenpilztim4914 was joke
@@BlueVenom9 wait did you just not get my joke
For Honor 2: a totally historically accurate game! In this sequel instead of Knights vs. Vikings vs. Samurai, we have Sheep-Mounted Peasants wielding slightly pointy pitchforks vs. Nudist Drunkards that live in a “frozen wasteland” yet wear minimal clothing vs. Disturbed Rice Farmers that are armed with the all powerful god-swords fe punny mortals refer to as Katanas that can cut through space and time
* *Maximum sarcasm limit reached* *
Oh no! Not slightly pointy pitchforks! Anything but that!
Gladiator vs Shaman vs Aramusha ? xD
lol
4
And all the knights are fatter than Henry the 8th
Conclusion: This should be settled in a dance-off.
not sure if techno viking is OP in this situation. to represent Japan I would propose world order to the helm.
hey i put spiders in my profile picture because im cool
fuk u man
I am a disciple of uncoolness. I just happen to like spiders, especially peacock spiders and jumping spiders. :)
Or a freestyle rap battle.
suntiger745 How about Skallagrim vs Matpat, fencing match? More like HEMA, but something sword related.
as a side note, I believe For Honor classifies it's self as a fantasy game. While it does seem more based in reality than something like lord of the rings or skyrim, it does still understand it isn't a history lesson.
And the game creators would certainly agree. Matpat treated it to his own _unique_ understanding of history, though. That was the whole point of his video.
It is, if I recall correctly, the game is placed 1000 years after these civilizations started fighting each other, so there's an explanation for historically inacurate stuff. Besides there's a god of destruction or something in a physical manifest that wants everybody to fight and die.
We're talking about MatPat pretending to be historically acurate and scientifically correct. Not judging the game itself.
The game knows it's a game. The point of Matpat's video is to project historical accuracy onto the game content, in order to determine who the eventual victor would be. His lack of mastery of the historical content (*not that of the game*) is the travesty that is being responded to. No one gives a shit about the game being inaccurate. It's a game.
well, when your understanding of history becomes a little TOO unique, then fantasy may be a more apropriate term for it, nothing against him making a video based on what he thinks he knows, its mostly for entertainment rather then education anyway, but saying its historical in any way warrants at least someone to go and say "guys this isnt actual history, this guy is just talking about his preconceptions about vikings, he didnt even bother googling it"
Lego Vikings sets are probably the most accurate representation of vikings I've seen in pop culture
Lego was made by Vikings so this makes sense
@@luukthijssen4917 Well that isn’t saying much. The sets used some pop cultural misconceptions like horned helmets which they never wore in reality due it being only a way to lose your helmet from a grapple. It was mostly focused on rule of cool anyways with the set facing them off against mythical creatures like the Sea Serpent.
Warband?
Hahaha, the little bit about Norwegians going over the border to buy cheap stuff in Sweden is so hilariously on-point and accurate. Too real man, too real. Signed, a Norwegian that frequently laments the price difference in question....
Mythricia danes come across the german border on holiday to buy cheap beer too
Mythricia Era priser är helt sjuka era rika jävlar
We norwegians actually often sail to denmark to get cheaper alcohol too tbh
My parents a few times went grocery shopping to denmark when i was a kid, note that we lived in kristiansand.
As used to be the case here in Canada if you lived close to the border! Then we realized the additional taxes we had to pay coming back with the goods made it hardly worth it. Don't know if you guys can relate?
+Raiden4019 For the amount of groceries a person can typically carry, there have been no border taxes on those two borders for a very long time.
"Sheep mounted with pitchforks"
Ah, the Welsh.
*NZ xD
In ancient times, when men were men and sheep were afraid
Ah I remember my first sheep. She was a nice lady... never disappointed either! They just don't make them like that anymore...
Dude. I love Wales and all that plus being Irish I have no right to laugh at negative military stereotypes because we haven't one a single war EVER but that image is too freaking funny.
I bought a welshman a drink and this fine gentleman gave me some sound ancient advice:
If you do it facing a cliff edge the sheep pushes back
Sheep mounted peasants with pitch forks, new dnd character, thanks Skalls.
Dùbhghlas MacDùbhghlas it'll be in TABS
@Arg Ast That could make for an intersting book
This need to be a NPC in every fantasy game.
Main character
So long as it's "mounted" and not "mounting"...
"Rudimentary weapons and shields" Spoken by a man that didn't know that vikings were one of the first cultures to invent steel
Gardfieri iF inventing steel is different from perfecting steel
@@boblukas532 That's literally not the point I was getting at, bud
Ty Adams If you talk about perfecting steel, might I remind you that the Japanese didn't even have forges hot enough to fully melt the ferrite sand they made weapons out of. That's why they needed to fiddle with the whole folding many times over to get rid of the excess carbon and get actual steel out of it. It still wasn't the same as the crucible monosteel Europeans used, but at least perfectly serviceable.
@@boblukas532 The literally made swords so good people thought they were magical weapons
Didnt they do this by mixing iron with bone?
Skallagrim ends Mattpat rightly.
Mattpat got riposted.
@@lukatosic09 i almost feel bad for the guy. As much as I hate how inaccurate his video was ive found like 5 videos going after him for that.
Meanwhile no one does the same for the other game theory guy who has crap theories
I'm 4 months late ,but this is how it went.
Shad explains that matpat is wrong calmly,
Metatron pushes him against the wall,
and Skallagrim doesn't say anything at all. He just stabs him.
I like how in the game the little enemy (normal enemy's) are like 4'1 while your 6'4
No
The Knights would win because their weapons have detachable pommels
Actually the majority of swords used did not have detatchable pommels. and specially if lookign at that time period
From the 11th century we dont (as far as i know) have any evidence that they had threaded pommes so they could unscrew them so the knights in this case would almost certain not have detatchable pommels :)
I did just make a serious reply on a comment about pommel throwing. I guess that is a bit stupid :)
Reddokk Fheg lol
well the interned is basically used for 2 things.
1: Looking at cute or funny cat pics or videos.
2: Arguing with complete strangers over silly things.
I don't like looking at cap pics so...
It's not that simple, good sir! Knights have detachable pommels, but the Samurai's weapon can cut through the fabric of time and space! And don't forget the Viking is Scandinavian. His war cry will instantly kill both warriors. It shall be a match decided by who overkills first.
I'm getting even more terrible at sarcasm. And that's saying something.
I mean, the knights have the most impenetrable armor out of the three. it might be heavy and slightly limiting, but honestly it makes it hard to hurt the wearer with a blade. that being said, I think it's also their biggest weakness too, since they'll be the slowest of the three, and if you knock them down the process to stand back up is a long enough window to push them down again and get at the weak points of the suit.
If you're wondering what's up with the random, unrelated text at 11:01, that's a slight editing mistake. It was supposed to be at 11:43.
Skallagrim yyeyysysysssssss, you are the best mate. (Also team Vikings)
Love your content
k
Skallagrim You had to bring up that traitor, Rollo
Skallagrim how accurate would you say the Vikings from the TV show the last kingdom are?
Ι love the fact that he literally pulls out viking equipment just to prove his point. Fucking amazing
I can’t wait for Skall, Shad, and Metatron to be playable in For Honor
So what did we learn class?
"Don't make a video claiming you know something if you don't know a damned thing about it?"
Very good Timmy!
CrysResan if MatPat did that he wouldn't have a job
Sums up a lot of TH-cam channels now days. So glad videos like this one exist :)
E.G all of matpat's "physics" videos
How did we learn that? His videos get millions of views for spewing nonsense. If anything it teaches us the opposite.
He's getting to be increasingly wrong on a large amount of things though. It is really not that difficult, I don't think, to gain a passable knowledge of a topic in a relatively short time. Accounts from Arab Travelers and Historians at the time (which are incredibly easy to find summaries of) would point out that they were very accomplished traders, and had distinct population centers, and tended to care more about cleaniness than most Europeans in the same time frame. He's just getting really sloppy.
I'm pretty sure that MatPat just forgot shields existed entirely
Big Boss *the fuck is a shield. A real man stops blades with his forehead*
A real man uses the basics of CQC and a cardboard box.
Big Boss pretty sure matpat made the video because ebolasoft slid him a few bucks to promote the game
Dylan Mueller thats true. In the decription it saysits a sponsored video
h4m5hank or a belt fed spandau pommel thrower ;)
What I really like is how you make it clear that the point of this video isn’t to refute who would win/who is better, but instead you point out the inaccuracies in his video. Good on you!
Something that has not been mentioned much in those debunking videos is the thing that both vikings and knights where used to fight different cultures. specially the vikings. as they did travel over almost the whole known world.
So they where used to adapt depending on what they was facing and had experience of facing several types of warriors with different equiptment, tactics and so on.
While Samurais did pretty much only fight warriors from same culture as themself. They did basically only fight other japanese wariors. besides the mongolian invasions they never really fought anyothign else than other japanese warriors.
This fact would give both knights and vikings an advantage.
That's an odd thing about the setting in For Honor anyway... Supposedly there has been war for a long time, so you'd think the different factions maybe adapt their equipment to be more effective against their opponents? I'd expect the Vikings to scavenge some plate armor, maybe find out where the knights get their large quantities of quality iron ore from and raid their supply, and even try to capture armorers.
True. and that rases another question. if thse 3 factions has been fighting each other for a long time why havent the equiptment changed more. If knights and samurais had been fighting each other historically i am sure that both knight armor and weapon would have evolved in another way, same with Samurai armor and weapons.
But i was more thinking from a historical point of view as he did claim to look at this from a historical and realistic point of view :)
And By the way great Video as usual. keep the good work up
+Skallagrim This much logic depth in a Ubisoft game?Preposterous
The basis of the game is that they were separate but there was a earth shift of some sort which brought them all together and for no reason they fight over resources (Which could be shared)
+Xeph yeah i know about the lore/history in the game. And personally i don't mind at all. It is a fantasy game. and its not a very lore heavy game where that is a huge part of the gameplay. so that it is not that logical is fine .
But as i said before. MatPat did a vide where he claimed to look at it from a real historical perspective so in that case the lore of the game does not matter.
To whoever did the captions for this video: You did an *awesome* job on them! I was able to listen to this video with 0 volume on the train and get everything. Usually TH-cam captions, especially autogenerated ones, have some inaccuracies where I'm doing double duty to try figuring out what was actually said. (Being hard of hearing, I also use captions when having the sound on too.) And when the captions are good, that's nice. But you, whoever captioned this, went above and beyond to even add in notes about his tone of voice and other things that made it like I was reading a professional transcript. So good job. Your work is appreciated.
Bravo
“Some” inaccuracies doesn’t even begin to describe how screwed up the auto-generated captions are. Not all youtubers speak with text-to-speech.
I see your historical facts and well reasoned arguments and I raise them a katana! HA!
Ha ha ha, I see you're bringing out the big guns. Very well sir you leave me no choice, I'll take your katana and raise you a pasta fuelled spandau wielding pommel breathing dragon in return. (then the universe explodes due to overkill) ^_^
On a side note it's great to see you Gopher, love your work!
I thought I'd already vanquished you using Sharks with lasers on their heads! Dammit, I've been flanked.
Gopher This is a pleasant surprise. Hello Gopher. I think this is the third time I've come across you on a random video.
Damn is there any one of these types channel you don't follow?
Well both these guys are very relevant to the sorts of games I play and mod so it should not be too big a surprise that I watch them :)
Shadiversity
Metatron
Skallagrim
Boy, Matpat can't catch a break. He getting jumped the Three Kings.
And getting beat be both, especialy the Viking
Don't forget that the Vikings could unscrew their axe handles and throw them to end their enemies rightly
Rukasu I figured you'd actually throw the axe head rather than the handle but what do I know
Sea cucumber
It's a variation of an old technique that seems to have appeared after the fall of Rome where one unscrews the pommel of the weapon and uses it as a projectile in order to hit the killing blow. It seems to have been very effective in duels, but it became less prevalent on the battlefield as unscrewing the pommel severely reduces the effectiveness of any weapon. It was also a difficult skill to master, so in later periods the pommel would not have the ability to be thrown, because their commanders feared that less experienced men might throw their pommels prematurely, which would severely diminish their forces.
He made a vid on this not too long ago, he called the concept ludicrous, and I concur.
Am i the only one that really understands your comment hahahaha.
Deadlyaztec27 I know about the pommel meme this community has. I just thought that after unscrewing the head you would use the head as a projectile rather than the handle.
That's it, we have the holy Trinity of historical combat TH-camrs, Mettaton, Shad and now Skallagrim. I wonder what Matt's response video will be like.
Thomas H if there's going to be one.
Thomas H he will probably just cry about being "bullied by the community" again. He's far and away my least favorite TH-camr.
+GreedyRadish I got my Matts mixed up, and tried to figure out why you hate Matt *Easton.* Something tells me I didn't get enough sleep last night.
GreedyRadish To be fair, people were absolute assholes to him genuinely.
Then don't make such mistakes LMAO.
Also didn't the norse have the dovahkiin?
FakePale ssshhhshhshsh how did u know?
I find it funny that Ronald McDonald is saying this
He was nothing but a shadow >:0
FakePale Your profile picture in conjunction with this comment is perfection.
FakePale dragon born
As a Scot with Viking blood, I can assure you when my local Tesco is closed, I charge to England with my hatchet and raid the nearest shop.
Be careful about bows. Since you are from scotland, any Londoner has a right to shoot you if you will walk into London with a bow. It is limited to some location in london, and it is not every day. But if you will have a bad luck...
@@user-yo4bo5ww2y well lad London is reserved for the Scandinavians, York is our spot
We all go across the border for booze, nothing else. They sell alcohol past 10pm but the food is cheaper in most of Scotland than England anyway.
"Viking blood" isn't a thing, no more than "pirate blood" or "janitor blood" ... someone's occupation isn't genetic lol. What you mean is some Scandinavian ancestry, and that's pretty common amongst Europeans.
@@GameDevNerd I’m referring to the ancestry of Norwegian folk that were indeed Vikings, thank you Redditor.
Shad = Knights, Metatron = Samurai, Skallagrim = Vikings
Karl Edward Casareo ikr
Knights would easily beat vikings because most vikings aren't trained in military art. Samurai maybe could take a knight depending on what the battle fight.
ETB_EmperorWolfYT What have you been smoking dude... Viking aren't trained in military art?! Oki then xD
Most of the viking where regular folks, with skill in more blunt weapons, they used to be more like "pirates", invading weak places, stealing everything and burning it down, there was of course some skill being used, but they didnt have a special training like knights or samurais, so... vikings where more a instinctive thing than anything else.
(Pardon my english)
Corvina SenPAIN somewhat.. they were a warrior culture. Now military strategist?? Eh that's arguable. When Southern European united they did decimate vikings. Even if you exclude horses. They were better strategists and utilized armor and tactics better. But the vikings weren't far behind and even the most untrained viking warriors portrayed an aura of ruthlessness and bravado that resonated with veteran town guards and even knights.
With that arrow vs shield thing it just reminds me of the 300
"Our arrows will blot out the sun."
"The we shall fight in the shade."
Someone You Don't Know you fucked it up
I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I took 1,000 arrows to the knee.
@@legokangaroo5010 looks like I did, dang.
**Cue Sparta by Sabaton**
that was actually a documented quote from the battle
To be honest i wish Ubisoft added a Pommel throw execution to the Warden.
It could be like the "POW!" taunt in Team Fortress.
They just did it
Samurai: Omae wa mou shindeiru *Shoots bow*
Viking: *raises shield*
Samurai: Nani??!
"Rudimentary axes"... My HEMA instructor once let me play with his replica Viking bearded axe and that thing handled like a cavalry saber. An AXE had a comparable balance to a SABER. Now assuming this replica is accurate (and no reason not to; my instructor always had a good nose for accurate replicas) that is FAR from "rudimentary".
Good axes were so well balanced you couldn't tell them apart from a good sword, and they were a pleasure to swing.
Well... I'm exaggerating a bit, but you get the Idea :)
What a nice experience. I've never held a high quality axe, so the weapon has always seemed strange to me. I imagine its partly because in modern culture the axe is exclusively utilitarian, however the knife is treated by an elite few as a tactical weapon even though its possessed of the same utility.
no they weren't
Axes not cavarly saber are supposed to be balanced, they are unbalanced because they are supposed to be...
What do you mean? I'm disagreeing or anything, I just can't understand what you're trying to say
I can't help but think that MatPat should have consulted Skallagrim and a few other You Tubers for that video.
They would have bring such a huge improvement to his video, facts-side. I actually think it's a great idea to ask to a specialized dude a bit of a hand for his videos featuring historical themes. Keep up the thinking Dash, u smart.
DashXero He said "I did the research with Austin from The Science!" Austin? You mean a millenial with 0 experience in viking/samurai/knight history? K MatPat. Oook.
Matpat should really stick to lore theories and math/science based theories and stay away from history. Leave the history to Gaijin Goomba if anyone, and in the case of combat and martial arts, guys like Skallagrim.
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7:12 he forgot to mention something super badass about Rollo. He was called “Rollo the walker” because he was reportedly so tall and bulky, he couldn’t ride a horse
Japanese technology has been "behind" other technologies. They had other values, priorities and resources. Some stuff was incredibly advanced for the context. Other stuff was stone age for the context. I know of no other society with such a mix of technology. Tradition would often trump new things unless there was a huge advantage without a huge cost also.
Can you provide an example? Just curious.
@@hanz2904 the katana and related technologies as well as armor and bow/arrow and military tactics. They rejected trade. They had the most advanced trash metal that could be made. They didn't adopt modern equipment until World War I. Yet they hung onto their swords even after World War II.
@@johnchestnut5340 lmao, yeah I can see why then.
@@johnchestnut5340 That's not strictly true, it would more accurate to say that they kept on decent pace with everywhere else until the late 16th century, around which point they closed off entirely and did not advance at all for nearly 300 years, until they underwent rapid modernization after Perry's ships forced them to reopen
@@whensomethingcriesagain You can nitpick exceptions based on time period. But generally it's true. If you go back far enough, they were more advanced than other societies. But they are so stuck with tradition and culture that change doesn't come easily. That happened recently in human history but was still a long time ago. Anyway, they're here with the rest of us. One can't say that hurt them. Several societies have gone through technology setbacks. Advance, lose/retreat, advance again. Japan had fewer losses and slower advancement. Greeks had lots of losses. Romans had more advances through conquest. World War II changed everything for the entire world. Japan still has a mix of old and new. Many cultures can't remember more than two generations back. Jews are an exception. But that is more cultural than technological.
I love matpat's theories on things purely within the game (eg Link is dead in Majora's Mask) but anytime he gives "facts" on history or science you better double check them. As a physics student I can tell you that anytime he tries to calculate force, velocity, momentum etc. it's complete bullocks.
Dinoenthusiastguy yeah I agree, the reason I watch matpat is more for entertainment than anything
To laugh at him
Even when it comes to lore, it pisses me off when someone is wrong, even when matpat got so much grossly wrong with his "link is dead" video (several debunking a number of his claims) I lost interest in his channel after that
@@mitchellbarton7915 Yeah even within lore he certainly cherry-picks his info
The only thing I hate about him is how his fanbase take his word as gospel despite being theories.
Scottish, Norwegian and Danish people when the wheat doesn't grow fast enough:
*England*
Lmao!
England: **CONFUSED SCREAMS**
Lol even though the staple grains of Scotland were oats and barley that's still pretty funny
wait, Scotland was a favourite of the vikings to invade
England from 1700s kinda put z boot on the other foot tho with that whole world wide empire thing lol
Everyone knows salt water instantly instantly corrodes metal armor. That's why conquistadors didn't wear any. Nor did the Romans or the Greeks, or any other Mediterranean people. And why ships didn't have any metal parts. You know, self explanatory things
Either this is sarcasm or you really don't know that the conquistadors wore armor.
Hey there are some pretty freaking ignorant people out there
You can add your name to the list. You have as much wit as Drax the destroyer
umm you can add yours, since apparently your vocabulary doesn't extend to the difference between intelligence and ignorance.
@@jonaskong8123 fair enough. You can add me to that list. English isn't my first language so yeah that probably makes me ignorant. How do you explain your dimwittedness though?
I like how you added that luck is involved as well. People trip, equipment malfunctions, mistakes get made etc. Great video!
It's ironic game theory said Vikings wouldn't stand a chance.
If you play for honor today the Vikings are winning.
check again, neckbeard.
DEUS VULT!
Not anymore
BANZAI! We should collaborate to fight with vikings my knight friend.
Stay deus, peace.
The Scotsman they in the game win due to their numbers
hell yeah we have the characters that aren't overpoweredandare fun for example papa raider
Just need to throw Pirates and Ninjas in the mix to make it totally confusing.
Well there are Shinobis in the game currently, and Vikings were some of the first pirates so...
Real shinobis
They already added gladiators and Roman soldiers,so pirates & ninjas shouldnt be imposible
It gets even more confusing when you realize ninjas weren’t fighters.
Why not throw in spartans
I love Japanese history and such. I study them more than any of the other subjects discussed in the video. Specifically the wars leading up to the start of the meji era/the fall of the samurai. One of the most drastic cultural shifts in history. I love the history of the Japanese and the samurai more than I do western history. I just find it more interesting.
they're easily one of my favorite subjects, however. anybody that studies them should know damn well they would lose were it to come to full scale war between the three. inferior metals, very very very light armor.
but game theory said samurai win because they have arrows.
fucking.
arrows.
because plate armor and shields don't exist, and better equipped European knights didn't have arrows as well or anything right?
As far as I know, he has yet to correct himself. so in my book he doesn't give a damn about misinforming thousands of people that don't take the time to educate themselves and eat up whatever he says like hot cakes. You would not believe how many of my friends that watch him have tried debating that the samurai were undoubtedly the best of the three and would easily win in a conflict.
it makes me cringe so hard because I actually study the guys. But now a pool of ignorance seems to have just spilled everywhere, simply because of game theory's ONE video.
Thanks for informing the masses and educating others, love your videos.
Neo Franklin2 same
If you haven't all ready, you should watch Metatron's video on this, since he focuses on the Samurai side of the three. Shadiversity does the knights.
Fame is a double edged sword
Neo Franklin2 ikr? I like the japanese, i really do, but when it comes to warfare, the japanese have never in history been able to really stay on par with the rest of the world, they are starting to get it nowadays, but even up into WWII, their equipment was vastly inferior, the thing that made them a recognizable threat, was the fact they fight like crazy berserkers, if you do look even at how one fights with a katana, it may look elegant, but its more agressive and brutalist, focusing and trying to end your opponent on the first strike
Shygalsadie During WW2, their navy and air force were better than most other industrial nations.
3 years and i still laugh when i hear "all the animals are frozen"
Dont ask me why, but its just funny to thinl about Norways favorite animals living their lifes rolling around inside an ice ball
It’s frozen ice dessert time!
I would imagine visiting Norway and seeing statues everywhere. Then when I approach them, realize that all the 'statues' are actually frozen stiff animals.
You are right, such a fight would depend on more than just what was examined here. But since everyone is here, Metatron, Shadiversity, Skallagrim.... Roll initiative.
Why i am proud for being Danish-
20% cake named after us.
50% We made Lego.
10% H.C Andersen.
Other 20% Great vikings.
And butter cookies. Man those shit are excellent.
WolfKami i know right :)
@@kuro_kishi oh you mean sewing tools?
@@ammagon4519 Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I never knew you guys made LEGO. Congratulations.
Knights still win because the others can’t *end their opponents “rightly”*
Unimp Ortant ah yes lemme tie my pommel as my opponent kills me, improving on something like the pommel is impossible
@@universe_cat3149 ill use pommels as weapons.
I just wish there was an execution withc they would screw the pommel and throw it
Just imagine a sword forged from unscrewed pommels. It would make Excalibur, Durandal, Gram and others a goddamn toy in comparison.
Knights have the greatest meme
Shield: “Has your arrow ever been blocked”
Bow: “No”
Shield: “Would you like it to”
I think people should just stop fucking comparing ancient warriors from varying lands as most of them have and never will be able to fight eachother.
The answer to any knight vs. viking vs. samurai vs. ninja vs. tibetan monk vs. indian archer vs. fucking m16 wielding infantry vs. phaser wielding romulan discussion is:
It depends.
Most reasonable comment ever found in the apple vs Orange comment section. Thank you
M Luminoth But what about the Pommel-shooting spandau made of melted katanas?
@The_JoJo_Reference wouldn't fare well against a nokia 3310 shield.
But what about DRAGO-wait...wrong video.
lmao
I think For Honor can best be described as a 300 style videogame but with Vikings, Knights and Samurai instead of Spartans. And should also not be seen as anything historical. Just fun fantasy violence somewhat based on history.
Willem Verheij this is the best way of looking at it. It is a Mortal Kombat, but with historic flavors foe the characters and no focus on the supernatural.
Definitely. It takes from historical techniques and elements, sure, but at the end of the day it's still a fantasy game that shouldn't be taken as historically accurate. That being said, I'm glad they kept some elements of historical martial arts instead of the typical flailing around of Holywood films and stuff since stuff like Halfswording does look really cool and unique.
One point that MatPat tried to make was that knights and samurai used horses, giving them tremendous advantage over the vikings... however, if we are assuming that the knights/samurai can use their horses, why not assume that the vikings can use their boats/ships? A common stereotypical viking tactic would be to raid towns near the coast, taking them by surprise. Horses can't do much to chase boats/ships... Anyway, great video.
Nym Alous That's true, and based on the game the knights and samurai would be dismounted anyway.
Nym Alous the worst part is when he discusses knight vs samurai, he completely ditches the knight's horse and goes, "samurai win cause bows and horses"
XD Imagine a knight and a squire on an armoured horse and a samurai on a japanese battle horse just dueling in an arena and suddenly a fucking ship bust in lol
Universe_Cat3 Because the bow would be capable of shooting the knight’s horse before they even got close to each other
@@jedits2256 you realize knights also had bows right? And that it takes a skilled archer to shoot a moving horse on horseback themselves
Historians disagree how reliable his account is, but it's worth noting that in his acccount of the Viking Siege of Paris, the monk Abbo Cernuus claims the Viking arrows were poisoned, which raises the stakes for even being scratched by one.
Viking historically have tons of interesting and awesome looking armor pieces.
>Vikings in the game are naked bar the strange bondage gear
oh, ok
They are made after the fantasy of what we suppose them as. Like knights, they are sort of armored, but not tin canned, and their helmets have all sorts of very odd ornaments, and they swords are insanely huge. This is made after the concept of what a knight was, whilst pushing the idea of what a knight was over the top, to make it more apparent that you are in fact playing a knight. And Vikings did armor up yes. but were known to fight half naked, and or without torso armor-Clothing simply, to intimidate or show off scars, tattoo's and other things. Blood would also be more apparent on their skin, making them even more terrifying.
mrdrebin123 I'm sorry mate but this is absolutely not true... vikings were not known for fighting halt naked or showing scars.
Celts did to a certain extent (if I'm not misstaken).
Absolutely wrong, false and factually inaccurate.
Gore cloud If you had a time machine you would know
Bored Guy yeah sure, besides the numerous texts written by monks and such after meeting them.
Despite all the archeological finds etcetera...
Not one text describes them as halt naked screaming lunatics despite the tendency to demonize them...
I'm pretty sure I read about some Vikings that would actually ritualistically get drunk or high on drugs and charge into battle naked. It could be a good way to scare the enemy, but I imagine the only ones who would do it were religious extremist.
Hey there I was really looking forward to this and you surely didn't disappont, very well made and well presented. I liked the point you drew about the Viking using bone knives and bone axes if iron was really that easy to rust, that was priceless :D
ps: "sheep mounted peasants with pitch forks" ahahahahah I lost it there xD
pps: I mostly focused my studied on Japanese armour and society so I don't know a lot about yumi but I can read Japanese so I will look for some info and get back to you on this on a dedicated video, I think it could be interesting.
Thanks! It would definitely be interesting to find out more about the yumi. I was also wondering about the technique that I've seen in modern kyudo. No idea how traditional it is, but I find it odd that they would start in a position where they hold the bow in front of their chest with outstretched arms and then draw from there. Mechanically that's a really ineffective position to start the draw, since it forces you to draw with just the arms first instead of engaging the stronger back muscles immediately. Again, I don't know if they did that in historical times, but it seems to be that this technique limits the maximum feasible draw weight a lot.
Yeah, the "sheep mounted peasants" line was great imagery...could you imagine sheep mounted calvary DOMINATING the field?
Very good points, I'll surely get back to you soon ;)
That would be amazing to see :)
Metatron Hey Metatron!
Greatest quote from Skallagrim: " you might aswell put sheep mounted pitchfork wealding peasants and put them in the knight category and put them up against the samurai" end quote.
What a work of exceptional piece of art
To be fair, I'd totally buy a game where you get European pitchfork peasants on sheepback vs. Japanese peasants riding some variety of goat or something (?) and wielding period-appropriate farming tools of their own.
Weirdly when I heard that line, I instead started imagining some remote clan of shepherds, famous for their warhorse sized sheep. Wool so thick it cannot be penetrated by arrow nor sword, and curled horns that can crush an armoured knight during a ram. The peasant farmer shepherds being physically imposing giants for having to work with such gigantic livestock every day. Their weapons may still be pitch forks and dismantled sheep sheers split into halves, but they'd fearlessly take on a knight any day to defend their flock and the pastures of their homeland.
And I've not even mentioned the sheep dogs yet...
What a creative mind. I'll use that in my Wattpad story someday.. I'll credit you for that.
Haha that sounds great! My idea of them was much less epic; a bunch of crazy toothless guys with straw hats hobbling along on sheepback while the attacking samurai (or maybe saturday-vikings) just look confusedly at each other.
UnknownSquid: Ok, I think I'm going to steal this for my current RpG game with my friends.
As an Englishman, I can confirm the Norweigans love burning our towns down when they need more bread.