@@DKChyna but the danish pair started shouting if they get point (not like france pair they shouting all the time not only if they get point but when the danish pair get point they started shouting too)
that French pair was a joke, both Labar and the woman. Terrible behaviour as they started the whole screaming. They should look at French squash players like Camille Serme how to behave.
1st match seemed fine till the umpire stepped in the way he did. And while I don't have any dog in the fight it seemed labar's problem stemmed from the wishy washiness of the umpire more than the actual screaming.
I watched the Popov vs Axelsen game irl, and I was very surprised that Popov played until the last point, and even went on to play a men’s double just a bit later. Respect to him.
props to Caroline and her replacement for doing their job. A lot of service judges are way to lenient. I would not be totally shocked to see some statistic about how in reality 60% of all serves are faulty.
It even sucks more in minor tournaments where there is no service judge. I tried complaining to the umpire but he replied thats not part of his job as we do not have any service judge... Dude was serving almost at the level of the net. his short serves were already going down or he even does a body shot with his serve
So glad that the French pair lost that mixed match. They started a contest they couldn't finish. There's nothing that rubs me up the wrong way more than ridiculous excessive shouting after every point. Some of the Japanese doubles pairs are so bad for it.
Both team deserve a yellow card for this match . And the umpire too he were so passive on this . It's not "who started it " but more about one warning was given the next shout would be a pennalty
Most all the players in doubles always shout out after made a point. Sometimes allowed sometimes got warned by umpire. But, this french pair is ridiculous and stupid. Because the woman who made a point but the man shout out so fucking loud. And he did it all the time, on and on in 1 st set. If i was the umpire obviously i'll give him red card.
i think the most dramatic and controversial game was the Danish Championships. i am quite confused what's wrong with the serves and at 10:00 on this video i finally saw the mistake. Yes, the serves was definetly too high. But, a big credit given to the coach who showed sportsmanlike, commanded his player to continue the game until the end
Shi Yuqi had shouted to his coach at the interval, "what's the difference between retiring and getting only two scores?" I think Shi knew that he had no chance to win when he lost the first game, but his coach asked him to continue. It is said that Shi had returned to provincal team because of that, and he will not play for Chinese national team for a short time.
Ofc there's a difference. Fighting till the end shows ur spirit and sportmanship. But no, he chose to retire one point away from losing and thats a coward move
@@badmintongod72 his answer to the question though... I wasn't expecting that at all. Having said that, I am sure people will definitely say Ken crushed his ego.
@@tinajsiha yea i know, he didnt even try to lie and make up an excuse, he straightly admitting his unsportmanship. What a shame. Btw i remember ginting vs him on asian games where ginting is injured badly too and still fighting till he cant do it no more, why didnt shi take example from ginting lol
@@badmintongod72 bro actually the person above is not covering shiyuqi unsportsmanlike attitude, he is just translate what shiyuqi tell his coach (which in mandrin some people don't understand) during the interval.
I find it funny that the coach for the girls in match 2 is telling them that they would be losers if they forfeit the game, which directly contrasts to the 3rd game where Shi Yu Qi retires from the game right before his opponent beats him so that technically he didn’t lose
that wasnt even like a noble thing to do.. it just seemed forced. The serve is not working, just forfeit and go back to the dressing room to address the problem. Its not an injury or unsportsmanlike, its exactly for these type of reasons that the Forfeit option was made. You're just compounding the misery of your players and I bet they have severe trauma from this game now. Just being noble for the sake of it
I can understand the faults. It was not too long ago that they changed the rules on serving. The rules used to be more vague with the shuttle needing to be hit below the waist. So they changed it to contact below a certain height. The issue with this rule is that it gives taller players a bit of a disadvantage to what they are used to. My only real solution to this is just squat lower when you serve.
Surely it needs addressing two professional players not being able to serve isn't through a lack of skill. I can excuse their behaviour when the device faults what are legitimate serves.
@@justinwebber9968 It actually is the lack of skill. The ruling is that you cannot serve above a certain height and they repeatedly served above it. Inability to adapt to your mistakes is also an issue. Inability to control your emotions is also an issue. It can be due to lack of training, serves are normally overlooked in the grand scheme of things.
@@kaihocompany Yes ignore all my other points. Lack of skill is basically dependent on ones viewpoint. My previous list is what i saw lacking. Keeping a cool head and adapting to problems is a skill to me... and she was lacking it.
@@Holyshiszle Not really, that's subjective shit mate. What counts are the rules and if they work in one tournament and not in another of the same organisation that organisation should question what went wrong and how to improve that. Whether the players themselves are able to adapt or not is irrelevant at that point.
In the Danish championship episode: an intelligent person with skill would contrive an adjustment to avoid repeating the same “fault”. The victim here is the service judge who got replaced , even after measurements confirmed her calls.
In defense of the danish players, making ajustements on the fly in a competitive setting would put you at a disadvantage if you're using muscle memory. The fact that the referee got changed and her colleague did the same calls confirmed that she was right if anything. My take is that the rule of 115cm is badly designed because you can't know if you're doing a bad serve without someone oberving you, you should be able to know that what you're doing during practice is correct.
@@nicolastaisne7910That's no defence. If you can't adjust your game are you really an athlete and are you really good at your sport? Even after so many errors, she couldn't adjust her serve. She should have served underhand if that was the only way to get it right. And then deal with the opponents return. That's sportsmanship. Not crying about how you can't catch break. Sports is so much about overcoming adversity and difficult challenges. The coach was right - you don't get to walk away because you don't like it. Respect your teammate, the opponents, the spectators, and the game - and play even if you are going to lose. Give it your best under the circumstance. Imagine the coverage this would have received had she adjusted her sub to something completely different. It would make the video off how somebody overcame a particularly difficult challenge at such a high level in the sport, whether she won or lost.
The first match was about Ego, the second match was about Ego, the last match was also about Ego. Fun fact: Lee Chong Wei said his coach Misbun Sidek shaped his character in badminton. I think that is to tame his ego. That's why he is a cool and classy player.
An incredible coach i must say, not only teaching technical stuff, but shaping the mentality and emotion. Its the same as coach herry, indonesian md coach. He actually teach marcus gideon to be calmer on court
Fragility of geniuses I guess, people who expect to win and just can't take the mental pressure of failure. And while I'm no genius I do get that breaking point all too well.
After watching Axelsen vs Popov match..... And comparing it with how Shi Yu Qi did quit his match... Respect for Popov raises 10x!!! Man he was on 18-8 and (1-1 games)!! He was barely walking and that shows he must be in that situation well before it's 18-8, yet he didn't quit and fought like a true champion..... Deserves all the respect from The Olympic Champ!!!
If this was a street match i would have agreed but my G that's literally the highest level, it's too much to ask for a guy to loose so badly at that level of competition.
In my perspective, losing each point on purpose is more disrespectful to the opponent. As a competitor, if my opponent has given up, I would wish for them to retire from the match. IN THE TOURNAMENT, there is no point in playing a game you do not mean to win.
@@BobbyFischer0000 Standing there for an extra point instead of retiring is even worse sportsmanship in my opinion. It is a competitive tournament, so if you don't mean to win, don't play.
@@BobbyFischer0000 I don't think you get what I'm saying, because you misrepresented what I said. Shi Yuqi never should have started the second game, because he didn't care to win it. The unsportsmanlike behaviour was in waiting to retire until the last point, rather than retiring sooner. His coach encouraged him to play! It was better that he retired at the last point than to waste another second playing a tournament game he did not intent to win. Staying on court when you are injured is meant as a courtesy, but it is not courteous! This is similar to the sunken cost fallacy. People think that just because Shi Yuqi already had 20 points against him, and he is so close to the end of the game, he should finish it. That is fallacious. Just because he should've retired sooner doesn't mean he is too late to retire. In response to your point about sports betting ~ Sports bettors shouldn't get a say in how the game works. If you bet on a player to lose, but you don't get a pay out because they retired, that's on you: you were the one who placed the bet. I think it is a terrible argument to say that retiring from a match is bad sportsmanship because it affects the betting. Since when do we submit to gamblers? If you want to stake a bet, that's your own risk.
In the Danish Finals match, I dont how many actually saw that small byplay happening. Many people are commenting on how the new rules are bad or in disfavor of taller players. But I observed that the player Boje started at the correct position and just before making contact with racket she brought up the shuttle contact point. This being done in a way as if the contact point was below the rules but it was not. And then the stubbornness, despite losing service fault points and equipment getting checked, service referee being changed, when it continued she could have changed the service style. No way a player who is professional knows only one way to service?? At that point she didn't care whether her stubbornness was directly making her loose. So yes, for those thinking that the Authorities and judges and referees to be investigated on how it happened and did something happened behind the doors, I will question why Boje continued to do the same mistake and didn't try for a different service position. Did something immoral happened from her end.
However, they played like this at the Olympics and their service was ok ... I don't buy your loooong explanation! You sound like a slave willing to justify his master's mistakes.
And why is coach not doing anything either? Just sitting there and not trying to say anything? One would think they'd try to change something instead of stubbornly going down the same way. Also the game still went so close, even after that many mistakes, did they really have to push the edge too much with the serve?
Honestly, that Shi Yuqi one was kinda stupid that he wanted to save his ego so much that he retired to not give Momota that satisfaction of wining, I think I might understand that he though it was embarassing that he couldn't beat Momota after his steep downfall of skill. And I will say that was kinda bad of Shi Yuqi, he was too young and hotheaded at the time. But I hope he has learned his lesson and we can welcome him back on court once he does, every player deserves a second chance. Lin Dan has done this stuff before too and he matured into a one of the legends of badminton history, hope he can take after his senior as well as he is definitely one of the future Men Single's stars of China.
No, LD didn't mature like you said. He forfeited in a match vs Viktor exelsen at Singapore open after 2 line calls that he didn't like. LD might be the greatest player, but the guy has no manner.
You have to understand that in online betting when a match is stopped by a player who wishes to retire, it means that the whole original bet would be void. The syndicate who bet on the retiring player would have saved millions by such action. This has happened before in the World Championships. It's all about syndicate betting....
For the Denmark ladies, if they were too frustrated with the service call, I would have done a long serve instead and at least a chance of winning. I’ve seen that done before in this tier of badminton. I cant remember who did this but they did.
I couldn't agree more Caroline Worn is an outstanding referee having the guts to call the faults. I didn't like that she was replaced. The male referee replacement did great as well. Both should be given credit by th Danish badminton association. I don't get why they continued to fault though. That is a bad understanding of their sport even though they are olympic athletes. I watched image per image and the serve does seem really high.
The Danish girls were actually making service faults , for some time I thought the service judge was cheating , but I got to know about the service hight equipment . The umpire was absolutely correct . I also have played badminton during my college days , I was in my college team, only difference is the equipment for serve hight was not there !
@@TheRausing1 The whole of the shuttle shall be below 1.15 metres from the surface of the court. Basically the point of contact at the start of the Serve cannot be more than 1.15 metres from the court .The Danish girls were hitting the shuttle at chest level which was not acceptable according to the rule .The service height equipment have lines for the exact serve height so the service judge can easily see through it .
@@bindiyapawar2398 thank you for clarifying that; I see what’s happening now. Very strange situation, you would think they would change their technique after the first few faults.
@@TheRausing1 I don't know how can an international players make so many serve faults , even we were told if the serve was too high . It's really horrible .The Danish girls even said that in their previous tournament the serves were not faulted .
They do service too high, they actually just start at low point when preparing when actually hit for the serve they raise their racquet, some judge don't catch this but they two obviously serve way above the serve height.the judge did a great job.
@@matrixbug in doubles, high serve put you in defensive state, not reccomended especially if your opponent has good smash. But i get what u say, they didnt even try to change their serve AT ALL, means that they serve like that purposely
Yeah there shuttler like that,,, but I seen some other asian shuttler that classy enough; when their pair is leading by large margins, they collect the shuttles that fall around the net themselves, mybe to make their oppo less mirerable... when they can just simply leave it for their oppo to knock it to their side. shouting (excessive) too less common among asian shuttler... and i remember one retired malaysian shuttler once shared that pyschology is common against european shuttler (and he even share how to overcome it) 😅😅
Great video! Thx for uploading these unusual scene plus all that complete explanation and updates, the aftermath and all, also the music suits this all, thx! Keep making these!
Happen to kevin sanjaya & marcus gedion too, before the serve hight introduced into the game. he keep on his usual serve, even when the serve judge repeatedly call for serve fault. they lost sth like 21-6 or something... especially that time kevin & marcus is having incredible winning run (sth like only 5 6 loses the whole calender year, and going minimum semi in every tourney they join) I guess ego is necessary in athletic world isnt it? 💁💁
Make the rule also for correcting the service jugde's decision. Thats we call the fairness. Everyone can make mistake, Ikr how to feel it as a fellow athelete but service judge is human also.. 115 cm without correction system, its totally bullshut tbfh
@@zenilampard4639 they did change the service judge, and the results still the same : foul serve 😬😬 it seems the service judge were right, just the player too ego to lower their serve
@@hirumayoichi6533 sorry.. U dont get what I mean dear friend.. I'm waiting a new system or tool that can do correction also for service judge' decision. Like hawkeye for shuttle in or out. Like a chip which implanted to the ball in football, so the referee can know that goal or not. Players can challenge the service judge decision by this kind of mechanism. Thats what I mean buddy
I can understand a bit why the Danish girl is frustrated and confused - she must have practiced like that for years... what's truly amazing and a bit of a mystery is how it wasn't picked up previously. They must have played hundreds of games prior so what's going on?
Yelling for that long shouldn't be allowed. One exclamation is more than enough, any more is just a cheap way to distract opponents. the shi yu qui one was just cowardly and unsportsmanlike.
I'm confused, is it really that hard to correct your serve after being called out so many times? I'm a club player, taller than these 2 and it's not THAT hard to do a right serve.
They are just arrogant I suppose, it makes me remember once Chen Long was called for fault serving (he wasn't think it was a fault serve), what he do is just smile and put his shirt into the short lol, he was fun, the audience was fun, and he adjusted his serve in the very next point
From the video I could see, the girls were lifting the shuttle before making contact with the racquet resulting in a fault serve. This is either a coaching problem which should have been addressed in training or if the coach directed the players not to quit but to play on till the end, maybe the coach was trying to teach them a lesson? At the international level of badminton, they should have been able to adjust their serve after being called 'fault' so many times.
@@victorkhong7654 but the problem is that they have served like this in previous tournament. maybe there should be a system like eagle eye, but for service errors wdyt?
@@MideHanni Services judges are human so there is subjective judgment involved. The rule is not where the shuttle starts off being held in the player's hands. The rule is at what height the shuttle is struck with the racquet. Just like in Formula 1 racing, players will always try to cheat -- OK gain every possible advantage in game play . But the higher up the shuttle is struck with racquet, the steeper the angle which can be achieved by the serve, the less time for an opponent to act. That is why the rule is there.
Really interesting video. I did not know about any of these three incidents. I’ll definitely have to learn more about that Danish pair and whether they were targeted for some reason or if they genuinely just served way too high repeatedly.
To me it looks like they just don't know how to serve, Boje especially. She does some slow motion to bring the shuttle higher before the serve and maybe gets away with it because the service judge at the olympics was not experienced but it's obvious what the purpose is. I don't think either service umpire was wrong
In my opinion some services were indeed fault, but some of the services were correct, par example the service on 9:16. By the way, I don't like the new rule with that ridiculous device. Come on referees, get a life.
Thanks for posting these matches. Real competition can bring out the worst and best in behavior. Match one: Taunting is not acceptable and interferes with the normal flow of the game. It is bad for players, bad for fans, and makes a mess of the sport unless stopped. The official needs to take charge. Match two: the women were probably faulting. At 11 point break, the coach can explain that they are moving their shuttle hand up and they need to adjust. I particularly liked the coach's statement, "we just do not quit, we finish the match whether you like the calls or not". Match 3, Shi lost the match, no matter what he said in the press conference. Get medical assistance at the break. Did he play poorly because his foot hurt, or did his foot hurt because he was playing badly? This is a tough sport and you have to take care of yourself to win. The final clip was what real effort, real sportsmanship is about. This is what badminton can contribute. Yes, you may cramp and simply cannot move. Stand up and finish if there is no real health danger. Axelson and Popov are ambassadors for the sport.
Excellently edited, I would like the two texts not to overlap and the views through the eyes of the judge are interesting. For those of us who don't know the rules, it might be a good idea to explain a little bit about the interestingness of each case. Greetings.
@@janushomer9111 mybe her opponents classy enough not to return the screaming favor... i dont know about you, but the umpire often warn her about her shouting. so i guess its clearly heard & excessive enough as the umpire need to intervene
I just commented on that! I absolutely hate Marin's screams. Its irritating and unsporting. I realize that is just my opinion. In women's singles that are classy players we can see who do not need to scream like that to contend.
I do think it would have been bizzarre not to replace the serve umpire. They checked the equipment, they replaced the umpire who "caused the controversy". Had they not done that, she would've likely been the target of "ruining the final". Now don't get me wrong, no party involved wants it to go down like this. But not only was she not in best mindset to go forward (judging by her reaction afterward), the TO actuallymade sure that everyone saw the replaced judge did her job well. Transparency is a good thing.
You’d think that if you’re faulted for 90% of the game, you’d somehow change up your serves and how you’re serving, but no. Some players are just too temperamental and stubborn and most importantly NOT FLEXIBLE.
the new service judge is my father :) and he said that he would shout fault, when he saw a fault. and he has gotten nice feedback on this, and people also remember him for it. :)
With Hawkeye technology tracking the shuttlecock so precisely, why can't we have a way to challenge serving fouls like we do with line judges? It's so simple, just measure the moment the ball drastically changes it's speed and there we have the height of serving.
Thats what I mean, idk how the system work.. but service judge can also make mistake, n it is funny that we can do nothing like system correction or something in 2022. WTH
Yes, on 'challenge' courts in tournaments, they have HawkEye available which tracks the exact point the shuttle is hit. However, there is no way to know if the shuttle was hit when it was almost horizontal or vertical, only the point of contact. For that only the service judge, or the camera at that angle will have the proper angle of view.
The shuttle doesn't have a computer chip or anything in it. The Hawkeye system is a series of cameras above the court, that have been calibrated to dimensions of the court, and can as such create the 3D image that we see during the challenges, to determine the precise spot where the shuttle hits the floor. If you wanted Hawkeye technology for the serve, it would be much trickier, and I can think of several problems with this: 1) The shuttle may be hidden from the camera's view by the player's hand/players's body, player's racket/other player of the pair. 2) In order to determine the exact height at which the shuttle is struck, you'd need a reference point beyond the serving player of 1.15m, however, this may also be blocked by players. 3) I would expect that combining footage to analyze the height of the shuttle as it is struck, would take much longer time, than determining where it is hitting the floor. 4) Who should decide if the serve is too high? The Umpire? The Service Judge? The Players? Can an opponent decide to challenge the serve mid-rally if they believe it was too high? Will it only be able to be challenged when the service fault is called? Personally, I believe that in this day and age, the technology to quickly and accurately determine the height of a serve just isn't around yet, so it will continue to be a human decision by a Service Judge. - I am a licensed badminton umpire from Denmark.
@@gustavjandausch470 something impossible can be really Possible one day sir. N its so funny in these days BWF still dont have any clue to solve it. I just look at it in my optic as a fellow player, u can observe it by yours, but please this is not our area tbh, BWF need to solve it sooner. We cant ruin that match by this stupid rules n at the same time dont want the break the basic rules. Respect how players sacrifice their time in training, far away from their family, how hard they train, maintain their body weight, their diet, etc n suddenly get punished by this n it happened in the final match, give me a break. Im not Danish, My eng is not well, u can see that, but as a southeast asian man to see this kind of absurd show it is so ridiculous, I feel so sorry to that pair, especially female atheletes, their time is not same with men, I respect them, ukr what I mean. I do hope it wont happen much in my country cause we love it so much, crazy in love with this kind of sport, u easily can identify it by the enthusiasm of our fans in the stadium.
I don't know about Poulsen, I've never seen her play much before, but Boje's serves always been too high imo. She's one of those many players whose serving position is very low but then start lifting the shuttle up right before they hit it.
@@siddharthsiddharth7598 nooo,,,you can change your serve style if you want (you can check and see greysia polli match she's change the serve from backhand to forehand in midgame because her backhand serve way too high in that match)
The video should have shown another Chinese player Li Xuerui who suffered an near career ending injury when playing Marin in the SF in Rio Olympics. But she got up and tried to finish the match.
No need to be defensive of Chinese. It is what it is. However, I find Chen Long is one of the most gentlemanly player in badminton. Didn't say faultless.
Yea sure, I personally can find it annoying when opponents scream after every point. But I don't see how it's unsportsmanlike if opponents don't intend to annoy me (e.g. they just like vocally expressing their excitement over getting a point) If they're doing it mainly to annoy me however. Or keep doing it even after being kindly asked to not to because someone finds it annoying / affecting their game. Now we have an issue
Exactly, look at Ko Sung Hyun - celebrates (almost) every point, nobody ever gets mad. Wonder why. Maybe it's because he doesn't act like a douche on court...
BWF must surely take responsibility. Its a disgrace that this body fails every time to do the decent thing. Money, Power and votes matter. Shame on BWF.
It's really ridiculous why match referee change the service judge, finally the players banned for three months but Danish badminton gave disrespect to that service judge
The match referee didn't change the service judge, that's the thing, the service judge herself asked to be replaced because of all the complaints from Bøje/Poulsen. Even though she seemingly didn't do anything wrong, just following the rules, it was too much for her.
@@snotspat most wouldnt be able to withstand that guilt of calling out 7 service faults in the first set of a final and probably just let a few slides after 3 or 4 faults.. thats why it is the “same” serve but just no mercy there from the judge.. props to her and the second judge too
I dont understand whats the problem in first match. Games should be interesting to players and viewers, i find the first game very interesting because of their activeness in court.
I used to play badminton with my father, before he was a bit too injured to play well. I usually got the better of him, but in one particular match, he just started hooting and hollering after every point. It was intensely aggravating, and I lost badly. You wouldn't think it would get under your skin so much, but it really can, and it totally breaks your focus. Funny to see that here.
These players should take a leaf out of Ahsan and Setiawan"s play book about how to conduct gracefully on the court. Having said that, hats off to Cristo Popov. The lad is a class act.
the first match, the problem will be solved faster if the umpire warning the French XD at the first match, clearly they're the one who started it. It's a common problem in MD, and sometimes can go out of control that's why the umpire should take action right away. shouting in match can be a factor to win the psychological pressure but if it's too much, it's irritating to watch, and audience can see they way you mock your opponent by the shout and it doesn't look good on you. And therefore they speak a word clearly to provoke not just scream edit: geez they look so childish you're right, what a horror to watch T T And yes i agree, there should be a rule for that, there must be a measurement to take.
lol... the funny thing is if they did this VS any of thetop asian pairs they'd just shrug and destroy them via badminton. they'd stop shouting solely on the basis they've been outclassed. Do love the spicy tho
The Shi Yuqi one, correct me if I'm wrong, but national team was said to have punished him in some way. That's why we haven't seen him yet in recent tournaments
They say it was for that but it was probably for shaming his country by getting destroyed by the Japanese XD. They probably shipped him off to a re-education camp and that's why nobody has seen him playing.
What happend in the ladies double? Wasn't it clear that they raised the hand with the shuttle to high almost every time (sort of tics). Shouldn't the team lead mentioned this a bit more clear after first set?
In this match, Boje and her partner had convinced themselves that their serves are totally legal, because they weren't faulted during Olympics. But it's incredible that they believe that they could convince the officials as well, leading to their disbelieve and breakdown when two different service judges faulted their serve. Their serve has a motion that they're used to during training. Once they're accustomed to it, it's incredibly difficult for them to stop the motion mid competition. It's a surprised to me that professional players didn't have a coach/team who can point out their illegal serve before any competition.
@@jctai84 I am not a badminton expert im a table tennis player ,I don't know rules in badminton.Are the serves really illegal? it is such an extreme to ban these girls in further competitions. Im so sad for the ban the girls.
@@emc8564 whether their serve is legal or not is entirely depend on the judgement of the service judge with the apparatus designed by the body that govern this sport. They were not banned because of their serve, it's because of how they responded to the service faults against them. Two different judges found their serves to have violated the 115cm rule, the chances are really low that both judges made the same call if their serve is legal. The fact is, players often pushed the limit of how much they can get away with sneaky serves that raised their hand the last second of their serve. If faulted they must be able to make micro adjustment and all this comes from critical training.
A loss is a loss, no matter whether you decide to give up or to continue until the end. So the Chinese player has lost fair and square no matter what he thinks. As for the Danish players, their serves were definitely illegal. It's not difficult to change your technique a little bit to make sure your serve is legal. I don't know why they insisted on refusing to change their serve and give their opponents that many free points in a final. As for the French team, their screams whenever they'd win a point was definitely disrespectful to their opponents. However, I've noticed more and more badminton players scream like that for nothing after a rally. In tennis, players who grunt at least do so when they're actually hitting the ball. In badminton, players nowadays scream when they're not hitting anything. It's just ridiculous.
the french started shouting first and then get mad when the opponent did the same?? lmaoo
No, they got mad that the umpire was telling them to stop shouting, but didn't act on it when everyone continued shouting lol
@@DKChyna but the danish pair started shouting if they get point (not like france pair they shouting all the time not only if they get point but when the danish pair get point they started shouting too)
@@DKChyna shut up frenchman the french did it first, got salty and lost sucks to be you 🤣🤣😭😭
It's a bait they set for their opponent. But it's a double edge sword that can backfire.
It’s tolerated to (scream) when you win the point, Not when your opponent lose a point or make a mistake
In the 1st match, Labar started it first, when his opponent did the same to him, he can't take it.
Tit for tat😅
that French pair was a joke, both Labar and the woman. Terrible behaviour as they started the whole screaming. They should look at French squash players like Camille Serme how to behave.
@@peterhammer4644 yep, they shouldnt be allowed to play with this horrible attitude
1st match seemed fine till the umpire stepped in the way he did. And while I don't have any dog in the fight it seemed labar's problem stemmed from the wishy washiness of the umpire more than the actual screaming.
They started it..but they are the one who got triggered..lol
The shirt exchange of Axelsen and Popov brought tears to my eyes. Sportsmanship of the highest possible level.
I watched the Popov vs Axelsen game irl, and I was very surprised that Popov played until the last point, and even went on to play a men’s double just a bit later. Respect to him.
props to Caroline and her replacement for doing their job. A lot of service judges are way to lenient. I would not be totally shocked to see some statistic about how in reality 60% of all serves are faulty.
The rule is straight up bullshit
It even sucks more in minor tournaments where there is no service judge. I tried complaining to the umpire but he replied thats not part of his job as we do not have any service judge... Dude was serving almost at the level of the net. his short serves were already going down or he even does a body shot with his serve
I got that one friend that love to serve from around his chest area, even sometime when opponent is not ready to receive serve. smh.
The Denmark players don't know how to readjust? I mean if that doesn't work then find another way that will. They are like stones forever never learn
@@eugenel3550i know right. If you dont know how to do long serve, then stop.
So glad that the French pair lost that mixed match. They started a contest they couldn't finish.
There's nothing that rubs me up the wrong way more than ridiculous excessive shouting after every point. Some of the Japanese doubles pairs are so bad for it.
i couldn't be happier seeing the french team lose, labar was so annoying.
Labar different shouting voice make me laugh like few minutes 😂😂😂
Both team deserve a yellow card for this match . And the umpire too he were so passive on this . It's not "who started it " but more about one warning was given the next shout would be a pennalty
But Danish player always does that against Asian players. Most of the do that. The French just copied their tactics imo.
Most all the players in doubles always shout out after made a point. Sometimes allowed sometimes got warned by umpire. But, this french pair is ridiculous and stupid. Because the woman who made a point but the man shout out so fucking loud. And he did it all the time, on and on in 1 st set. If i was the umpire obviously i'll give him red card.
Nice content. Explaination of each event helps so much to understand what really happened.
I really liked the fact that Axelsen went ahead to congratulate the young Frenchman 😊
oh yeah ? 😁
@@user-gz2pc2jk3t fk you don't say that
He really earned my respect
Me too. He's always very respectful towards his opponents. He has good sportsmanship
Were
1st game was like watching sibling rivalry 😂
i think the most dramatic and controversial game was the Danish Championships. i am quite confused what's wrong with the serves and at 10:00 on this video i finally saw the mistake. Yes, the serves was definetly too high. But, a big credit given to the coach who showed sportsmanlike, commanded his player to continue the game until the end
I think that since the height is now fix, there can and should be an option for video challenge on the serves. Gets rid of the doubt.
Not a badminton player, how do you know it's too high? What was the reference at 10:00
see the poles on left ans right? that means the appropriate height of the serves
Why didn't the Danes just bend more so the serves will be lower? Just adapt
Shi Yuqi had shouted to his coach at the interval, "what's the difference between retiring and getting only two scores?" I think Shi knew that he had no chance to win when he lost the first game, but his coach asked him to continue. It is said that Shi had returned to provincal team because of that, and he will not play for Chinese national team for a short time.
Ofc there's a difference. Fighting till the end shows ur spirit and sportmanship. But no, he chose to retire one point away from losing and thats a coward move
@@badmintongod72 his answer to the question though... I wasn't expecting that at all. Having said that, I am sure people will definitely say Ken crushed his ego.
@@tinajsiha yea i know, he didnt even try to lie and make up an excuse, he straightly admitting his unsportmanship. What a shame. Btw i remember ginting vs him on asian games where ginting is injured badly too and still fighting till he cant do it no more, why didnt shi take example from ginting lol
@@badmintongod72 bro actually the person above is not covering shiyuqi unsportsmanlike attitude, he is just translate what shiyuqi tell his coach (which in mandrin some people don't understand) during the interval.
@@路人甲-j9v and im not even attackin the person's comment i replied 😑 im responding abt what shiyuqi's said
I find it funny that the coach for the girls in match 2 is telling them that they would be losers if they forfeit the game, which directly contrasts to the 3rd game where Shi Yu Qi retires from the game right before his opponent beats him so that technically he didn’t lose
lmaooooo
i think he meant losers not in a technical sense, but in a moral sense of the word
Retirement from game = loss. I don't know why anyone would think otherwise.
that wasnt even like a noble thing to do.. it just seemed forced. The serve is not working, just forfeit and go back to the dressing room to address the problem. Its not an injury or unsportsmanlike, its exactly for these type of reasons that the Forfeit option was made. You're just compounding the misery of your players and I bet they have severe trauma from this game now.
Just being noble for the sake of it
Do not understand why they cannot accept defeat. Learn from it, train harder, comeback stronger. Not retire on the game point!
I can understand the faults. It was not too long ago that they changed the rules on serving. The rules used to be more vague with the shuttle needing to be hit below the waist. So they changed it to contact below a certain height. The issue with this rule is that it gives taller players a bit of a disadvantage to what they are used to. My only real solution to this is just squat lower when you serve.
Surely it needs addressing two professional players not being able to serve isn't through a lack of skill. I can excuse their behaviour when the device faults what are legitimate serves.
@@justinwebber9968 It actually is the lack of skill. The ruling is that you cannot serve above a certain height and they repeatedly served above it. Inability to adapt to your mistakes is also an issue. Inability to control your emotions is also an issue. It can be due to lack of training, serves are normally overlooked in the grand scheme of things.
@@Holyshiszle Funny that it wasn't a problem then 3 weeks prior during the Tokyo Olympics. It wasn't because of their lack of skill.
@@kaihocompany Yes ignore all my other points. Lack of skill is basically dependent on ones viewpoint. My previous list is what i saw lacking. Keeping a cool head and adapting to problems is a skill to me... and she was lacking it.
@@Holyshiszle Not really, that's subjective shit mate.
What counts are the rules and if they work in one tournament and not in another of the same organisation that organisation should question what went wrong and how to improve that.
Whether the players themselves are able to adapt or not is irrelevant at that point.
I'm not a badminton enthusiast, but I was recommended this video in my feed and I'm sure glad I took the time - such drama!
In the Danish championship episode: an intelligent person with skill would contrive an adjustment to avoid repeating the same “fault”. The victim here is the service judge who got replaced , even after measurements confirmed her calls.
In defense of the danish players, making ajustements on the fly in a competitive setting would put you at a disadvantage if you're using muscle memory.
The fact that the referee got changed and her colleague did the same calls confirmed that she was right if anything.
My take is that the rule of 115cm is badly designed because you can't know if you're doing a bad serve without someone oberving you, you should be able to know that what you're doing during practice is correct.
@@nicolastaisne7910That's no defence. If you can't adjust your game are you really an athlete and are you really good at your sport? Even after so many errors, she couldn't adjust her serve. She should have served underhand if that was the only way to get it right. And then deal with the opponents return. That's sportsmanship. Not crying about how you can't catch break.
Sports is so much about overcoming adversity and difficult challenges. The coach was right - you don't get to walk away because you don't like it. Respect your teammate, the opponents, the spectators, and the game - and play even if you are going to lose. Give it your best under the circumstance.
Imagine the coverage this would have received had she adjusted her sub to something completely different. It would make the video off how somebody overcame a particularly difficult challenge at such a high level in the sport, whether she won or lost.
The first match was about Ego, the second match was about Ego, the last match was also about Ego.
Fun fact: Lee Chong Wei said his coach Misbun Sidek shaped his character in badminton. I think that is to tame his ego. That's why he is a cool and classy player.
Lcw❤️
An incredible coach i must say, not only teaching technical stuff, but shaping the mentality and emotion. Its the same as coach herry, indonesian md coach. He actually teach marcus gideon to be calmer on court
I never see LCW scream in any match ever..
@@fared___3409 because he lets his game scream for itself. Such a legend !
@@fared___3409 i have heard shout once in the all england open against kenichi tago and in the 2016 rio semifinals ~Amer Asim~
Thank you for addressing the Shi Yu Qi clip. It’s unbelievable that he would retire at 20-5, while the young Frenchman was limping out of respect
man, that is a huge difference
China players mentalities. Or the player themselves. Idk
@@syamilfuad17 lol. Stereotyping the entire nation based on one player show how shallow some people could be.
@@bossb5513 fun fact, chinese supporter are toxic, remember when chen long is runner up and the chinese bullied him in the internet?
Fragility of geniuses I guess, people who expect to win and just can't take the mental pressure of failure. And while I'm no genius I do get that breaking point all too well.
This is a great content. We need to have more perspective on this side of Badminton. Looking forward to another content!
i love this video because it explains what happened in a long duration so that the viewers can get why it is controversial
After watching Axelsen vs Popov match..... And comparing it with how Shi Yu Qi did quit his match... Respect for Popov raises 10x!!! Man he was on 18-8 and (1-1 games)!! He was barely walking and that shows he must be in that situation well before it's 18-8, yet he didn't quit and fought like a true champion..... Deserves all the respect from The Olympic Champ!!!
If this was a street match i would have agreed but my G that's literally the highest level, it's too much to ask for a guy to loose so badly at that level of competition.
As a Chinese, I don't approve of what Shi Yuqi did either, it's disrespectful to the opponents, the audience and the public. No sportsmanship at all.
In my perspective, losing each point on purpose is more disrespectful to the opponent. As a competitor, if my opponent has given up, I would wish for them to retire from the match. IN THE TOURNAMENT, there is no point in playing a game you do not mean to win.
@@ATRMvideos it the problem is the stupid ass excuse to retire in-game,he just want to save his ass from getting humiliated.
@@BobbyFischer0000 Standing there for an extra point instead of retiring is even worse sportsmanship in my opinion. It is a competitive tournament, so if you don't mean to win, don't play.
@@BobbyFischer0000 I don't think you get what I'm saying, because you misrepresented what I said.
Shi Yuqi never should have started the second game, because he didn't care to win it. The unsportsmanlike behaviour was in waiting to retire until the last point, rather than retiring sooner. His coach encouraged him to play! It was better that he retired at the last point than to waste another second playing a tournament game he did not intent to win.
Staying on court when you are injured is meant as a courtesy, but it is not courteous!
This is similar to the sunken cost fallacy. People think that just because Shi Yuqi already had 20 points against him, and he is so close to the end of the game, he should finish it. That is fallacious.
Just because he should've retired sooner doesn't mean he is too late to retire.
In response to your point about sports betting ~
Sports bettors shouldn't get a say in how the game works.
If you bet on a player to lose, but you don't get a pay out because they retired, that's on you: you were the one who placed the bet.
I think it is a terrible argument to say that retiring from a match is bad sportsmanship because it affects the betting.
Since when do we submit to gamblers? If you want to stake a bet, that's your own risk.
@@BobbyFischer0000 You are too sentimental about the last point.
so enjoyable to watch 👍🏻👍🏻
Respect to Popov. He even played Mens Doubles with his brother 3 hours later.
Is that even real? What was the result?
@@yohanesirwanenrico2912 nah nah it's a joke. Popovs are also the twins with the sa.e name who played later that day.
@@aishwaryaharish1951 ohh hahahah he got me
popov sucks and they know they will lose thats why😂
@@pabloescabor69 Can you take a set to Axelsen ? I don't think so 😉
In the Danish Finals match, I dont how many actually saw that small byplay happening. Many people are commenting on how the new rules are bad or in disfavor of taller players. But I observed that the player Boje started at the correct position and just before making contact with racket she brought up the shuttle contact point. This being done in a way as if the contact point was below the rules but it was not.
And then the stubbornness, despite losing service fault points and equipment getting checked, service referee being changed, when it continued she could have changed the service style. No way a player who is professional knows only one way to service?? At that point she didn't care whether her stubbornness was directly making her loose.
So yes, for those thinking that the Authorities and judges and referees to be investigated on how it happened and did something happened behind the doors, I will question why Boje continued to do the same mistake and didn't try for a different service position. Did something immoral happened from her end.
good players play through hardship, they find a way. Adaping the service would be one way to do that ...
However, they played like this at the Olympics and their service was ok ... I don't buy your loooong explanation! You sound like a slave willing to justify his master's mistakes.
@@feuervogel1984 at that point it was sheer stupidity to keep servicing the same style.
Exactly. How stupid do you have to be to lose that many points to service faults in a final?
And why is coach not doing anything either? Just sitting there and not trying to say anything? One would think they'd try to change something instead of stubbornly going down the same way. Also the game still went so close, even after that many mistakes, did they really have to push the edge too much with the serve?
This channel really is the NETFLIX of Badminton!
Once again you proved this is the best channel
Honestly, that Shi Yuqi one was kinda stupid that he wanted to save his ego so much that he retired to not give Momota that satisfaction of wining, I think I might understand that he though it was embarassing that he couldn't beat Momota after his steep downfall of skill. And I will say that was kinda bad of Shi Yuqi, he was too young and hotheaded at the time. But I hope he has learned his lesson and we can welcome him back on court once he does, every player deserves a second chance. Lin Dan has done this stuff before too and he matured into a one of the legends of badminton history, hope he can take after his senior as well as he is definitely one of the future Men Single's stars of China.
He was even more stupid to say that in public
he wanted to say i did not lose the match i walked out retired..😂
what? lin dan used to do that thing too?
a true coward.
No, LD didn't mature like you said. He forfeited in a match vs Viktor exelsen at Singapore open after 2 line calls that he didn't like. LD might be the greatest player, but the guy has no manner.
You have to understand that in online betting when a match is stopped by a player who wishes to retire, it means that the whole original bet would be void. The syndicate who bet on the retiring player would have saved millions by such action. This has happened before in the World Championships. It's all about syndicate betting....
dang, never would have thought about that
Wow that's a smart smart thought
Exactly. I thought that was the controversy. Some kind of match-fixing but it turns out sportsmanship is the problem
For the Denmark ladies, if they were too frustrated with the service call, I would have done a long serve instead and at least a chance of winning. I’ve seen that done before in this tier of badminton. I cant remember who did this but they did.
Kudos to the service judges for calling the faults.. it is hard and very controversial to call over and over.
I couldn't agree more Caroline Worn is an outstanding referee having the guts to call the faults. I didn't like that she was replaced. The male referee replacement did great as well. Both should be given credit by th Danish badminton association.
I don't get why they continued to fault though. That is a bad understanding of their sport even though they are olympic athletes. I watched image per image and the serve does seem really high.
Not controversial if the call is correct. The players are immature to continue serving like this and blame the ref
Respect to the danish coach for saying that to the girls when they wanted to retire
This was an excellent clip! I really appreciated the thorough commentary explaining the events!
The Danish girls were actually making service faults , for some time I thought the service judge was cheating , but I got to know about the service hight equipment . The umpire was absolutely correct . I also have played badminton during my college days , I was in my college team, only difference is the equipment for serve hight was not there !
Could you please explain why they were faults?
@@TheRausing1 The whole of the shuttle shall be below 1.15 metres from the surface of the court. Basically the point of contact at the start of the Serve cannot be more than 1.15 metres from the court .The Danish girls were hitting the shuttle at chest level which was not acceptable according to the rule .The service height equipment have lines for the exact serve height so the service judge can easily see through it .
@@bindiyapawar2398 thank you for clarifying that; I see what’s happening now. Very strange situation, you would think they would change their technique after the first few faults.
@@TheRausing1 I don't know how can an international players make so many serve faults , even we were told if the serve was too high . It's really horrible .The Danish girls even said that in their previous tournament the serves were not faulted .
Need more videos like this, absolutely loved it and subscribed to the channel as well
Just imagine, to lose Game by only 10 combined points with 13 faults.
Yes, But service umpire did a great job.
They do service too high, they actually just start at low point when preparing when actually hit for the serve they raise their racquet, some judge don't catch this but they two obviously serve way above the serve height.the judge did a great job.
6:10 that rlly is too high, the contact between the racket and the shuttle is as high as her chest
they can switch to the High Badminton Serve, if they want to.
@@matrixbug in doubles, high serve put you in defensive state, not reccomended especially if your opponent has good smash. But i get what u say, they didnt even try to change their serve AT ALL, means that they serve like that purposely
Thank you for making videos like these. I have played badminton through much of my life and I still learned something from the video today.
I know what Mathias feel, when someone start screaming at you, and you feel a little bit angry
Yeah there shuttler like that,,, but I seen some other asian shuttler that classy enough; when their pair is leading by large margins, they collect the shuttles that fall around the net themselves, mybe to make their oppo less mirerable... when they can just simply leave it for their oppo to knock it to their side. shouting (excessive) too less common among asian shuttler... and i remember one retired malaysian shuttler once shared that pyschology is common against european shuttler (and he even share how to overcome it) 😅😅
Carolina Marin anyone?
@@victorkhong7654 Haha... exactly that one person that flashed through mind! 😄
This is quality content! 💯🔥
Victor Axelson is a real ambassador of the game!!!! The guy has so much respect for his opponents regardless of who they are.
Great video! Thx for uploading these unusual scene plus all that complete explanation and updates, the aftermath and all, also the music suits this all, thx! Keep making these!
plot twist: the umpire on first match forgot to bring his yellow card
Exactly what I thought
at some tournaments the judges get told not to give cards....
Imagine making the same mistakes 13 times even after they changed the referee
girl, drop yo ego and lower ur serve smh
Happen to kevin sanjaya & marcus gedion too, before the serve hight introduced into the game. he keep on his usual serve, even when the serve judge repeatedly call for serve fault. they lost sth like 21-6 or something... especially that time kevin & marcus is having incredible winning run (sth like only 5 6 loses the whole calender year, and going minimum semi in every tourney they join)
I guess ego is necessary in athletic world isnt it? 💁💁
Maybe a high serve can be done if could not do the low serve
Make the rule also for correcting the service jugde's decision. Thats we call the fairness. Everyone can make mistake, Ikr how to feel it as a fellow athelete but service judge is human also.. 115 cm without correction system, its totally bullshut tbfh
@@zenilampard4639 they did change the service judge, and the results still the same : foul serve 😬😬 it seems the service judge were right, just the player too ego to lower their serve
@@hirumayoichi6533 sorry.. U dont get what I mean dear friend.. I'm waiting a new system or tool that can do correction also for service judge' decision. Like hawkeye for shuttle in or out. Like a chip which implanted to the ball in football, so the referee can know that goal or not. Players can challenge the service judge decision by this kind of mechanism. Thats what I mean buddy
I can understand a bit why the Danish girl is frustrated and confused - she must have practiced like that for years...
what's truly amazing and a bit of a mystery is how it wasn't picked up previously.
They must have played hundreds of games prior so what's going on?
The second match.. Uhuhuhu 😭.. Uhuk 😓👍🏿🖤🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥 (I know what you're feeling)
Yelling for that long shouldn't be allowed. One exclamation is more than enough, any more is just a cheap way to distract opponents.
the shi yu qui one was just cowardly and unsportsmanlike.
The referee had no control on the match anymore.
Yelling is disrespectful. indirectly provoking the opponent. i see this a LOT in table tennis.
@@emc8564 that's the main reason i refused to watch table tennis, can't handle the constant loud screaming
nice and entertaining video, I personaly think all those service faults were so funny, how bad can you be at such a high level in badminton
I'm confused, is it really that hard to correct your serve after being called out so many times? I'm a club player, taller than these 2 and it's not THAT hard to do a right serve.
They are just arrogant I suppose, it makes me remember once Chen Long was called for fault serving (he wasn't think it was a fault serve), what he do is just smile and put his shirt into the short lol, he was fun, the audience was fun, and he adjusted his serve in the very next point
@@ucanhhoang5662 Yeah! I rmb Haha
From the video I could see, the girls were lifting the shuttle before making contact with the racquet resulting in a fault serve. This is either a coaching problem which should have been addressed in training or if the coach directed the players not to quit but to play on till the end, maybe the coach was trying to teach them a lesson?
At the international level of badminton, they should have been able to adjust their serve after being called 'fault' so many times.
@@victorkhong7654 but the problem is that they have served like this in previous tournament. maybe there should be a system like eagle eye, but for service errors wdyt?
@@MideHanni Services judges are human so there is subjective judgment involved. The rule is not where the shuttle starts off being held in the player's hands. The rule is at what height the shuttle is struck with the racquet. Just like in Formula 1 racing, players will always try to cheat -- OK gain every possible advantage in game play . But the higher up the shuttle is struck with racquet, the steeper the angle which can be achieved by the serve, the less time for an opponent to act. That is why the rule is there.
Shi Yu Qi’s action showed the arrogant, can’t-lose attitude of many in the younger Chinese generation. What a shame.
Shi yu qi was a coward at that time ..
Popov was a real hero..
As a man we have to finish what we already started..
Excellent work! Thank you for the video)
Really interesting video. I did not know about any of these three incidents.
I’ll definitely have to learn more about that Danish pair and whether they were targeted for some reason or if they genuinely just served way too high repeatedly.
To me it looks like they just don't know how to serve, Boje especially. She does some slow motion to bring the shuttle higher before the serve and maybe gets away with it because the service judge at the olympics was not experienced but it's obvious what the purpose is. I don't think either service umpire was wrong
Most of their serve were damn high and rightly called fault.
They should watch the video of how they are serving
hahaha you just said pro players cant serve and fail that many times? that judge is suspicious to me.
In my opinion some services were indeed fault, but some of the services were correct, par example the service on 9:16. By the way, I don't like the new rule with that ridiculous device. Come on referees, get a life.
@@zhongjie
Where i am confused is how do the umpire know
Their pov are not adequate to judge for height
How the hell do they know if it's too high
Thanks for posting these matches. Real competition can bring out the worst and best in behavior. Match one: Taunting is not acceptable and interferes with the normal flow of the game. It is bad for players, bad for fans, and makes a mess of the sport unless stopped. The official needs to take charge. Match two: the women were probably faulting. At 11 point break, the coach can explain that they are moving their shuttle hand up and they need to adjust. I particularly liked the coach's statement, "we just do not quit, we finish the match whether you like the calls or not". Match 3, Shi lost the match, no matter what he said in the press conference. Get medical assistance at the break. Did he play poorly because his foot hurt, or did his foot hurt because he was playing badly? This is a tough sport and you have to take care of yourself to win. The final clip was what real effort, real sportsmanship is about. This is what badminton can contribute. Yes, you may cramp and simply cannot move. Stand up and finish if there is no real health danger. Axelson and Popov are ambassadors for the sport.
Excellent video. you are a very good story teller
Great vid!
Why no one reprimanded Carolina Marin? The irritating scream queen
Yes , she is Queen
I did 🙋🙋
True shouldnt be allowed
What about Chen Qing Chen :)?
Oh, geez…I like Carolina as a player but I wish she’d shut up with her screaming! 🤦♂️
Nice video btw
Shi Yu Qi's decision was utterly unsportsmanlike, I was stunned with his reason.. disgusting.
He personally will carry this history in all his career or life.
8:40 why does it matter about the gender? Seems odd to even mention it. They changed service judge obviously to see if they also make the same calls.
Nice video, you explained it well!
The serve at 9:59 was higher in my opinion, considering the net , and that Poulsen is 1.75
it was surely under the limit, there is no way that is above to make it a fault
@@gustavkjrlund3842 well the service judge has a better view than you do 😅
@@HokKan they sure have, but mistakes can be made
Excellently edited, I would like the two texts not to overlap and the views through the eyes of the judge are interesting. For those of us who don't know the rules, it might be a good idea to explain a little bit about the interestingness of each case. Greetings.
Im really amazed there is no carolina marin in this compilation, of course on the 'screaming' subject 😬😬
Sadly she was out due to injury for most of 2021 but she has reportedly recovered from her surgery and will be back next month.
@@DolceArdore Ouh i see, i miss that '2021' part 😬😬
somehow, when she does it, people don't seem to notice...she must be invisible or un-hearable or something...
@@janushomer9111 mybe her opponents classy enough not to return the screaming favor... i dont know about you, but the umpire often warn her about her shouting. so i guess its clearly heard & excessive enough as the umpire need to intervene
I just commented on that! I absolutely hate Marin's screams. Its irritating and unsporting. I realize that is just my opinion. In women's singles that are classy players we can see who do not need to scream like that to contend.
Nice video, thank you
The French 😂
I do think it would have been bizzarre not to replace the serve umpire. They checked the equipment, they replaced the umpire who "caused the controversy". Had they not done that, she would've likely been the target of "ruining the final".
Now don't get me wrong, no party involved wants it to go down like this. But not only was she not in best mindset to go forward (judging by her reaction afterward), the TO actuallymade sure that everyone saw the replaced judge did her job well. Transparency is a good thing.
You’d think that if you’re faulted for 90% of the game, you’d somehow change up your serves and how you’re serving, but no. Some players are just too temperamental and stubborn and most importantly NOT FLEXIBLE.
So it is not the service judge's fault then? at first i think it would be different when they changed the service judge..
the new service judge is my father :) and he said that he would shout fault, when he saw a fault. and he has gotten nice feedback on this, and people also remember him for it. :)
@@mikkelbgebjerg1987 gr8 to hear that
@@mikkelbgebjerg1987 Nice.. the judges did a great job then..
@@mikkelbgebjerg1987 is the first service judge okay? She's in tears as she walks out the court
@@remahbiskuit603 kasihan ya, padahal memang cuma berusaha adil dan sesuai peraturan. Tapi service judge nya jadi kena tekanan batin
3:43 It's comedy, the French start to scream first but when the Danes do it they go complain to the umpire. lol smh
Nice footage
With Hawkeye technology tracking the shuttlecock so precisely, why can't we have a way to challenge serving fouls like we do with line judges? It's so simple, just measure the moment the ball drastically changes it's speed and there we have the height of serving.
Thats what I mean, idk how the system work.. but service judge can also make mistake, n it is funny that we can do nothing like system correction or something in 2022. WTH
Yes, on 'challenge' courts in tournaments, they have HawkEye available which tracks the exact point the shuttle is hit. However, there is no way to know if the shuttle was hit when it was almost horizontal or vertical, only the point of contact. For that only the service judge, or the camera at that angle will have the proper angle of view.
The shuttle doesn't have a computer chip or anything in it. The Hawkeye system is a series of cameras above the court, that have been calibrated to dimensions of the court, and can as such create the 3D image that we see during the challenges, to determine the precise spot where the shuttle hits the floor. If you wanted Hawkeye technology for the serve, it would be much trickier, and I can think of several problems with this: 1) The shuttle may be hidden from the camera's view by the player's hand/players's body, player's racket/other player of the pair. 2) In order to determine the exact height at which the shuttle is struck, you'd need a reference point beyond the serving player of 1.15m, however, this may also be blocked by players. 3) I would expect that combining footage to analyze the height of the shuttle as it is struck, would take much longer time, than determining where it is hitting the floor. 4) Who should decide if the serve is too high? The Umpire? The Service Judge? The Players? Can an opponent decide to challenge the serve mid-rally if they believe it was too high? Will it only be able to be challenged when the service fault is called?
Personally, I believe that in this day and age, the technology to quickly and accurately determine the height of a serve just isn't around yet, so it will continue to be a human decision by a Service Judge.
- I am a licensed badminton umpire from Denmark.
@@gustavjandausch470 something impossible can be really Possible one day sir. N its so funny in these days BWF still dont have any clue to solve it. I just look at it in my optic as a fellow player, u can observe it by yours, but please this is not our area tbh, BWF need to solve it sooner. We cant ruin that match by this stupid rules n at the same time dont want the break the basic rules. Respect how players sacrifice their time in training, far away from their family, how hard they train, maintain their body weight, their diet, etc n suddenly get punished by this n it happened in the final match, give me a break. Im not Danish, My eng is not well, u can see that, but as a southeast asian man to see this kind of absurd show it is so ridiculous, I feel so sorry to that pair, especially female atheletes, their time is not same with men, I respect them, ukr what I mean.
I do hope it wont happen much in my country cause we love it so much, crazy in love with this kind of sport, u easily can identify it by the enthusiasm of our fans in the stadium.
@@FixItHere Maybe they have to change the rule so that the point of contact is leading.
I don't know about Poulsen, I've never seen her play much before, but Boje's serves always been too high imo. She's one of those many players whose serving position is very low but then start lifting the shuttle up right before they hit it.
No one :
Carolina Marin : Aaaaannooooo
Choosing to retire at 20 points. He obviously can't accept the defeat professionally 🤣
Feel very bad for the Removed Service Judge.
let's think again, if it keeps on foul, why not serve forehand??? I think both should be investigated
U can't change to forehand serve in mid game,but yes in second set they could have changed their serve to a forehand serve
@@siddharthsiddharth7598 nooo,,,you can change your serve style if you want (you can check and see greysia polli match she's change the serve from backhand to forehand in midgame because her backhand serve way too high in that match)
@@chingchenhanji thnx for the info bro
@@sapidermen22 thnx for the info bro
"He keep shouting" 😂 that's what we call losing mental game 😂😂😂😂
its baffling to me if anybody is defending Shi Yuqi actions, he himself reavealed in the post match interview the real reason why he forfeit the game.
@13:26 Axelsen crossed the net to wish Popov to wish him, gave me tears! What a sportsmanship act!
Did anyone notice that the Alexandra Bøje was in first controversy and second also.
The video should have shown another Chinese player Li Xuerui who suffered an near career ending injury when playing Marin in the SF in Rio Olympics. But she got up and tried to finish the match.
It says most controversial in 2021, not 2016
No need to be defensive of Chinese. It is what it is. However, I find Chen Long is one of the most gentlemanly player in badminton. Didn't say faultless.
Victor Axelsen is an amazing player, respect for Popov in this match.
Yea sure, I personally can find it annoying when opponents scream after every point. But I don't see how it's unsportsmanlike if opponents don't intend to annoy me (e.g. they just like vocally expressing their excitement over getting a point)
If they're doing it mainly to annoy me however. Or keep doing it even after being kindly asked to not to because someone finds it annoying / affecting their game. Now we have an issue
Exactly, look at Ko Sung Hyun - celebrates (almost) every point, nobody ever gets mad. Wonder why. Maybe it's because he doesn't act like a douche on court...
Umpire : If u don't listen to me, won't give u new shuttles 😂
Waiting for new Addition from October 2023 pv sindu v/s carolina.....
BWF must surely take responsibility. Its a disgrace that this body fails every time to do the decent thing. Money, Power and votes matter.
Shame on BWF.
I love that there’s barely comments about shi yuqi. It’s like we collectively agree that he is a cheap coward. No discussion needed.
I contemplate that he did that just because he does not want to dampen his f2f statistics with Kento😅
I see many
Also no need for harsh words, he's learned his lesson. Hopefully he does well in the future
@@raghuvenkatesan6792 he has great skill but his stamina's too low, i guess he doesnt train hard enough
Is it really that big of a deal tho?
It's really ridiculous why match referee change the service judge, finally the players banned for three months but Danish badminton gave disrespect to that service judge
It’s good that they changed the service judge, that way people won’t blame the female judge.
The match referee didn't change the service judge, that's the thing, the service judge herself asked to be replaced because of all the complaints from Bøje/Poulsen. Even though she seemingly didn't do anything wrong, just following the rules, it was too much for her.
They publicly apologized...great move by danish badminton
She wasn't replaced, she started crying, and couldn't continue.
@@snotspat most wouldnt be able to withstand that guilt of calling out 7 service faults in the first set of a final and probably just let a few slides after 3 or 4 faults.. thats why it is the “same” serve but just no mercy there from the judge.. props to her and the second judge too
I dont understand whats the problem in first match.
Games should be interesting to players and viewers, i find the first game very interesting because of their activeness in court.
What's problem was to start to serve in forehand position....?
At least to try is better than to stop the game...😉
I used to play badminton with my father, before he was a bit too injured to play well. I usually got the better of him, but in one particular match, he just started hooting and hollering after every point. It was intensely aggravating, and I lost badly. You wouldn't think it would get under your skin so much, but it really can, and it totally breaks your focus. Funny to see that here.
These players should take a leaf out of Ahsan and Setiawan"s play book about how to conduct gracefully on the court. Having said that, hats off to Cristo Popov. The lad is a class act.
the first match, the problem will be solved faster if the umpire warning the French XD at the first match, clearly they're the one who started it. It's a common problem in MD, and sometimes can go out of control that's why the umpire should take action right away. shouting in match can be a factor to win the psychological pressure but if it's too much, it's irritating to watch, and audience can see they way you mock your opponent by the shout and it doesn't look good on you. And therefore they speak a word clearly to provoke not just scream
edit: geez they look so childish
you're right, what a horror to watch T T
And yes i agree, there should be a rule for that, there must be a measurement to take.
Popov and Axelsen - pinnacle of sportsman spirits! Hats off to you both
lol... the funny thing is if they did this VS any of thetop asian pairs they'd just shrug and destroy them via badminton. they'd stop shouting solely on the basis they've been outclassed. Do love the spicy tho
The Shi Yuqi one, correct me if I'm wrong, but national team was said to have punished him in some way. That's why we haven't seen him yet in recent tournaments
They say it was for that but it was probably for shaming his country by getting destroyed by the Japanese XD. They probably shipped him off to a re-education camp and that's why nobody has seen him playing.
@lluna Wang Maybe it's because they didn't shame their country in that unsporting way.
@@JohnLee-gt3sr Or maybe it's just because the unsportsmanship? He only shamed himself. Why does the country need to be added in?
@@MxMoondoggie Stroking racial hatred much? Have you already forgotten about Unit 731?
@@MxMoondoggie this ages well. shi yuqi beat Japanese single player in sudirman cup AGAIN lol
What happend in the ladies double? Wasn't it clear that they raised the hand with the shuttle to high almost every time (sort of tics).
Shouldn't the team lead mentioned this a bit more clear after first set?
In this match, Boje and her partner had convinced themselves that their serves are totally legal, because they weren't faulted during Olympics. But it's incredible that they believe that they could convince the officials as well, leading to their disbelieve and breakdown when two different service judges faulted their serve.
Their serve has a motion that they're used to during training. Once they're accustomed to it, it's incredibly difficult for them to stop the motion mid competition. It's a surprised to me that professional players didn't have a coach/team who can point out their illegal serve before any competition.
@@jctai84 I am not a badminton expert im a table tennis player ,I don't know rules in badminton.Are the serves really illegal? it is such an extreme to ban these girls in further competitions. Im so sad for the ban the girls.
@@emc8564 whether their serve is legal or not is entirely depend on the judgement of the service judge with the apparatus designed by the body that govern this sport. They were not banned because of their serve, it's because of how they responded to the service faults against them. Two different judges found their serves to have violated the 115cm rule, the chances are really low that both judges made the same call if their serve is legal. The fact is, players often pushed the limit of how much they can get away with sneaky serves that raised their hand the last second of their serve. If faulted they must be able to make micro adjustment and all this comes from critical training.
A loss is a loss, no matter whether you decide to give up or to continue until the end. So the Chinese player has lost fair and square no matter what he thinks. As for the Danish players, their serves were definitely illegal. It's not difficult to change your technique a little bit to make sure your serve is legal. I don't know why they insisted on refusing to change their serve and give their opponents that many free points in a final. As for the French team, their screams whenever they'd win a point was definitely disrespectful to their opponents. However, I've noticed more and more badminton players scream like that for nothing after a rally. In tennis, players who grunt at least do so when they're actually hitting the ball. In badminton, players nowadays scream when they're not hitting anything. It's just ridiculous.
the 1st matcch was like monkeys first time playing badmintoon lmao
respect to the service judge, caroline. big respect.
Those serve techniques is really wierd! Never seen a pro player serve like that! If it's a fault then it's a fault!