Bragging About Using Kurt's Card Care Is Not Smart! | Amazing Vintage Cards Auctioned | & More News! Nice title. I might have have shortened it, though. For example: "....Using Kurt's Card Care Is Not Smart..." Also...and this will only make sense to those who watched the video where the guy was bragging...It''s gooone, the suminabich is gooone, that cert number is gooooone.
I wish collectors who alter a card and sell it without telling the potential buyer would understand that this is fraud. Ask Bill Mastro and Doug Allen about it.
If "altering " the card makes it a better card, why is that an issue? If condition is the issue and now the card is actually in better condition why is that an issue???
@@genelawrence4939This is a very legitimate question. Think about it. Many pieces of art are cleaned and the proper things needed to reproduce the paints and colors used are obtained and meticulously configured to fix small things for preservation of the work. Now, I do understand many of these vintage cards aren't singular works...but they're definitely scarce in any condition above mid grade. I can completely understand why one would want to get a card of significant merit closer to its original state than it was if possible. But...I ALSO understand why having this work done affects the remainder of known cards in the market and gives someone a leg up over peers holding the same item In ANY case ....it is indeed stupid to brag about it being done or doing it.
@@genelawrence4939 Excellent question and comes down to ethics and the law. Altering a card for your own personal use is fine until the collector decides to sell it without disclosing the alteration. It is considered fraud under the law and people have gone to prison for it. You might have good intentions and say the card has been conserved, but eventually all cards end up on the market one way or another without that knowledge of an alteration. This is also true for the antique car and art market.
The bragging about getting cards past psa reminds me of a reddit post this past week. Someone posted that they got a gold parallel of aaron judge’s rookie that was mis-listed on ebay for insanely cheap. They waited till the card was shipped before they posted their luck. A day or two later they posted an update where the people who sent the account messaged saying they made a mistake and re-routed the card back to them and said they would send out the correct card if the purchaser was still interested. If they would’ve not posted they probably would’ve gotten the card.
Ive said it many times, a LPT of small to large companies have employees and even departments that handle all social media related issues and watch their brands closely. Soaking cards, images, art, cardboard for cleaning, restoration is older than any grading company. People will do anything to make a dollar. This is one case where social media and the internet is in our favor! I hope he did not sell the card and stick some buyer with that card.
Given how much product breakers open combined with the fact that many of them throw away the base cards, wouldn’t it be ironic if decades from now base cards become what is most collectible? People digging through boxes full of sparkly refractor cards hoping to find one ultra rare base card that wasn’t sent to the landfill, preserved over the years by some oblivious person who used it as a bookmark for decades 😂
I’m a set builder. And it is very common to have multiple parallels of a base card I need. And of course these base cards are getting harder and harder to find. Meanwhile there are 46 versions of it. I get what they’re saying about the future values. The only problem is they’ve ramped up production to a point where this current junk wax era have more cards than the 80s and 90s cards.
Hey Mike, I have that complete set of 1993 McDonald’s glass ware, there’s 10 glasses in the full set. I know you aren’t a collector of anything but actual baseball cards, but this set is pretty cool. It has the exact Topps card on one side of the glass, with the back of the baseball card on the other side, with all the players stats. Pretty sure that there are some complete sets, or individual glasses on eBay at a reasonable price. Thanks for the Sunday morning video, my favorite in your series.
Getting an update on the genamint tech might be something to consider for a future story. The founder just recently left psa for Fanatics, and if being used, the technology clearly wasn't as advertised.
@JunkWaxHero Nat and Ryan have both referenced parts (couterfeit detection, card identification,..) are being used. Fingerprinting, alteration detection,...I haven't seen much evidence of that being used.
The initials for signatures is a bad deal for collectors. Please, card manufacturers, demand better from the players and the collectors will get better products.
Cleaning cards with juice and stuff to make it look better is definitely altering a card and should one sell that altered card, it should be disclosed otherwise it should be considered fraud. Why would anyone share that on the internet? Definitely love all the Topps Now chase cards, but I am not going for them, but increases the interest in the hobby. Would love to get in on Caitlin Clark cards, but not buying a box. Would be buying on the secondary market. She is literally making the WBNA relevant. Love the Acuña Jr. baseball card Halloween costume.
Great video. The Panini Select WNBA for $875 is insane. I bought two cases of the Caitlin Clark collection for less per case than that one box. Pulled some great cards including an autograph. I dabbled in wax as I got back into cards, but it has become less and less based on the crazy high costs. I am a Hawkeyes fan so I took a shot and bought one case and liked the value so much I bought another. 6 packs, 4 cards per pack. $37. For the Panini Select, $875 is $14.58 per card. I know opening wax is for entertainment, not investment, but that is a big ask.
I hit a Shane Bieber auto baseball out of a Fanatics box last year. Got it right away, so it seems they have the items in stock which is nice. Occam's Razor - Basically, The simplest answer is most often the correct answer.
If you brag about it online, that's just not smart. They made it clear about how they felt about card cleaning so bragging pretty much put a target on your back. No different then going online and bragging about how much money you stole from the IRS through fraud. Don't act surprised when you get audited and you're sitting in jail.
So what your saying is graded card pops may not be accurate. If ppl crack slabs and resubmit them it would drive up pops unless they inform grading company to deactivate previous cert number.
If I was the autographs czar for a card company, I would tell the player to send me a facsimile of their autograph. If it was some lame “YS” or something, then I would reject it and say “try again, Sport”.
Thanks for the video! So glad I don’t collect modern anymore. Too much risk. With that being said, I always liked to just open stuff. It’s fun. These days though, I’ve learned to just buy what you want. There’s no such thing as $5 or less packs anymore. There was a whole lot interesting in this one, as always. Happy Sunday.
Deactivating the cert don't mean nothing if the person who buys the card don't go on PSA and look it up so that card can be handed down a lot of times or just cracked the case and resubmit it
It does help, if the current owner tries to sell the card, but you're correct, does little to prevent the card from being resubmitted. Ideally, psa flagged the submitters account, so it's a little easier to catch.
Are you really worried about the Celtics after the 3rd game of the regular season, on the heels of winning a championship? Yup, you're definitely a Boston sports fan. 😆
PSA certs. The hidden crease is what gets everyone's attention. That is a way different situation than some dirt and grime removed. So the hidden crease makes this different than a normal cleaning. You know it would be rally sneaky to just post a PSA slab one day and claim it has been cleaned but has a hidden crease. Most of these slabs are just floating around between owners for months or years. Someone screws you over on an ebay deal? Just report to PSA it's a cleaned card inside the slab with a hidden crease. Put it on social media. Demand justice. I think the hidden crease in the card irks PSA more than anything. That is taboo in the world of the hobby. Questions remain - how many slabbed PSA cards have hidden creases? How can they miss something like this? And the biggie: how would the PSA guarantee worked in this situation if someone had purchased the slab and then found out about the hidden crease that PSA missed? PSA technology that can detect previously graded cards? It is working perfectly. Keep resubmitting those PSA 9 slabs bc it makes them a ton of money. The first time PSA's technology kicks some card back will be the end of re-submissions. Word like that gets out quickly, especially on social media, especially when money is lost. And a financial windfall of regrading cards will be gone. I don't expect PSA to complain about regrading cards. Their tech is working fine. The problem with people posting on social media is the population of people we are talking about. Many of these people have compulsion habits (which works well with busting packs). Their compulsive attributes essentially forces them to post things on social media which other people would not do. And the rest is history. For some people their compulsion is their biggest perceived strength. The old saying is don't let your biggest strength become your biggest weakness. The Lew Alcindor RC auto for $44k. I wonder what the price would have been had the card not been a tall boy? What would a standard size of that card brought in the final price? Maybe 2x, maybe 4x? Makes me ask what is the best Topps NBA RC? They dropped the ball on Jordan and Wemby (Wemby prices on unlicensed cards will continue to drop like turkeys from a plane on WKRP). Magic and Bird were those gawd forsaken mini's. KAJ as a tall boy? At what point down the totem pole of the all time best basketball players does Topps - in the history of their company - finally get an NBA RC right ? I like the lineup card relics. I wonder what the back of the card says in the disclaimer. Do they still use the generic language about the relic not being from any specific game or event? I'm guessing Beckett has limited their searches because they pay Google and Google charges more for more searches on a website. IMO this is fine for Beckett. I think they position themselves as a takeover candidate when they have these issues that can be fixed with a little investment from a 3rd party takeover. Just like the 9.5 as gem mint. Nobody wants a 9.5, they want a 10 on their card. So another little adjustment a takeover company could do is fix the grading scale. Make the company more marketable. Make some more announcements and suddenly they look like a possibly viable company again, for a few months. I doubt any little issue at Beckett gets fixed. It keeps them looking like a viable takeover. What gets my attention some this week is how many hobby stores were selling Topps Update hangers and blasters. None had made it to Walmart yet that I'm aware. Nearly all the hangers being sold by hobby shops are already marked up - some at $30 per hanger. How did the hobby shops end up getting retail products before retail outlets got them? Is this some new agreement with dealers and Fanatics? You can see a clear financial reason why the product is being routed through hobby shops - they are making a killing. The Mantle auto's - maybe they get seeded 1 in 100,000 packs in $5 per pack product. So each $2500 auto creates $500,000 in sales. And they have 99?
@@joeschmoe2011 great comment! Really thought-provoking. I hadn’t heard about the Topps Update going to hobby shops first. I’ll see what I can find out.
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Bragging About Using Kurt's Card Care Is Not Smart! | Amazing Vintage Cards Auctioned | & More News!
Nice title. I might have have shortened it, though. For example: "....Using Kurt's Card Care Is Not Smart..."
Also...and this will only make sense to those who watched the video where the guy was bragging...It''s gooone, the suminabich is gooone, that cert number is gooooone.
I wish collectors who alter a card and sell it without telling the potential buyer would understand that this is fraud. Ask Bill Mastro and Doug Allen about it.
@@ryanmcclanahan8739 yes
If "altering " the card makes it a better card, why is that an issue? If condition is the issue and now the card is actually in better condition why is that an issue???
@@genelawrence4939This is a very legitimate question. Think about it.
Many pieces of art are cleaned and the proper things needed to reproduce the paints and colors used are obtained and meticulously configured to fix small things for preservation of the work.
Now, I do understand many of these vintage cards aren't singular works...but they're definitely scarce in any condition above mid grade.
I can completely understand why one would want to get a card of significant merit closer to its original state than it was if possible.
But...I ALSO understand why having this work done affects the remainder of known cards in the market and gives someone a leg up over peers holding the same item
In ANY case ....it is indeed stupid to brag about it being done or doing it.
@@genelawrence4939 Excellent question and comes down to ethics and the law. Altering a card for your own personal use is fine until the collector decides to sell it without disclosing the alteration. It is considered fraud under the law and people have gone to prison for it. You might have good intentions and say the card has been conserved, but eventually all cards end up on the market one way or another without that knowledge of an alteration. This is also true for the antique car and art market.
The bragging about getting cards past psa reminds me of a reddit post this past week. Someone posted that they got a gold parallel of aaron judge’s rookie that was mis-listed on ebay for insanely cheap. They waited till the card was shipped before they posted their luck. A day or two later they posted an update where the people who sent the account messaged saying they made a mistake and re-routed the card back to them and said they would send out the correct card if the purchaser was still interested. If they would’ve not posted they probably would’ve gotten the card.
Crazy! If you can find it, would you please email that Reddit post to me?
Ive said it many times, a LPT of small to large companies have employees and even departments that handle all social media related issues and watch their brands closely.
Soaking cards, images, art, cardboard for cleaning, restoration is older than any grading company.
People will do anything to make a dollar. This is one case where social media and the internet is in our favor! I hope he did not sell the card and stick some buyer with that card.
I hope so too
Panini has to hold the big cards back. This card being found so early lowers the value of the rest of the boxes.
Except holding cards back would show that they know where each card is and where it’s going
Given how much product breakers open combined with the fact that many of them throw away the base cards, wouldn’t it be ironic if decades from now base cards become what is most collectible? People digging through boxes full of sparkly refractor cards hoping to find one ultra rare base card that wasn’t sent to the landfill, preserved over the years by some oblivious person who used it as a bookmark for decades 😂
@@aw.8. lol
Exactly. I buy cards and get base cards included as protection. They are definitely seen as waste product so what you say is definitely possible.
I’m a set builder. And it is very common to have multiple parallels of a base card I need. And of course these base cards are getting harder and harder to find. Meanwhile there are 46 versions of it. I get what they’re saying about the future values. The only problem is they’ve ramped up production to a point where this current junk wax era have more cards than the 80s and 90s cards.
I have a complete set of those McDonald's Topps baseball card glasses, including the more scarce regional issue featuring Carl Yastrzemski.
@@pauloadams6330 nice! I definitely want to get that set
@@JunkWaxHero I'll email you pictures and we'll talk. They're in my warehouse.
@@pauloadams6330 😊
“Are these reprints” made me spit my hot tea, thanks.
My pleasure!
Hey Mike, I have that complete set of 1993 McDonald’s glass ware, there’s 10 glasses in the full set. I know you aren’t a collector of anything but actual baseball cards, but this set is pretty cool. It has the exact Topps card on one side of the glass, with the back of the baseball card on the other side, with all the players stats.
Pretty sure that there are some complete sets, or individual glasses on eBay at a reasonable price. Thanks for the Sunday morning video, my favorite in your series.
@@jwwj30 that’s actually something I would buy and display in my eventual office
Getting an update on the genamint tech might be something to consider for a future story.
The founder just recently left psa for Fanatics, and if being used, the technology clearly wasn't as advertised.
@@35auburn I suspect it’s just not being used because it’s far more profitable to not use it.
@JunkWaxHero Nat and Ryan have both referenced parts (couterfeit detection, card identification,..) are being used.
Fingerprinting, alteration detection,...I haven't seen much evidence of that being used.
The initials for signatures is a bad deal for collectors. Please, card manufacturers, demand better from the players and the collectors will get better products.
@@jpacrylicstudio145 agreed
I would bet money that genamint only works on easily identifiable cards. Like a patch card that has a unique patch, or a numbered card.
@@gabriels1163 yeah or not at all?
Thank you for another great video. That Joe Jackson just has me speechless!!
It’s a stunner
Hi Mike, I have a couple of those McDonald glasses. They are pretty cool looking. That Babe Ruth autographed card is awesome.
@@jimfalkler9361 yeah I’m considering getting that set of glasses!
Cleaning cards with juice and stuff to make it look better is definitely altering a card and should one sell that altered card, it should be disclosed otherwise it should be considered fraud. Why would anyone share that on the internet?
Definitely love all the Topps Now chase cards, but I am not going for them, but increases the interest in the hobby.
Would love to get in on Caitlin Clark cards, but not buying a box. Would be buying on the secondary market. She is literally making the WBNA relevant.
Love the Acuña Jr. baseball card Halloween costume.
@@kenscardboard I always appreciate your comments, Ken. I agree about cleaning cards.
Great video. The Panini Select WNBA for $875 is insane. I bought two cases of the Caitlin Clark collection for less per case than that one box. Pulled some great cards including an autograph. I dabbled in wax as I got back into cards, but it has become less and less based on the crazy high costs. I am a Hawkeyes fan so I took a shot and bought one case and liked the value so much I bought another. 6 packs, 4 cards per pack. $37. For the Panini Select, $875 is $14.58 per card. I know opening wax is for entertainment, not investment, but that is a big ask.
Right, at some point the entertainment is too expensive
I agree with Keating in the Beckett thing! I no longer subscribe. Why do they even bother at this point
@@warrendinCLE it’s sad and also bad for hobbyists
Be well Mike, enjoy Sunday with family
Same to you!
I hit a Shane Bieber auto baseball out of a Fanatics box last year. Got it right away, so it seems they have the items in stock which is nice.
Occam's Razor - Basically, The simplest answer is most often the correct answer.
@@mnplumberman yes, thank you! I went with the wrong razor. 🤦🏻♂️
That babe ruth auto looks like it was done with a fountain pen.
@@gabriels1163 it does!
If you brag about it online, that's just not smart. They made it clear about how they felt about card cleaning so bragging pretty much put a target on your back. No different then going online and bragging about how much money you stole from the IRS through fraud. Don't act surprised when you get audited and you're sitting in jail.
Thanks for sharing. Autographs need to be better.
@@ACollectorsDream agreed
Great NBA teams sometimes get voted. That’s why I don’t ever gamble on the NBA! Good show👍❤️
I appreciate that. I don’t gamble on anything but know a lot of people who do
@@JunkWaxHero I meant to say bored- stupid spell check!
So what your saying is graded card pops may not be accurate. If ppl crack slabs and resubmit them it would drive up pops unless they inform grading company to deactivate previous cert number.
@@Jumbo_Jimbo_in_Limbo correct
I recently asked someone, " Is Beckett the sportscard version of MySpace and AOL?" Whatcha think?
Oh wow! This is going in an upcoming newsletter.
If I was the autographs czar for a card company, I would tell the player to send me a facsimile of their autograph. If it was some lame “YS” or something, then I would reject it and say “try again, Sport”.
And keep it on file for next time too
Thanks for the video! So glad I don’t collect modern anymore. Too much risk. With that being said, I always liked to just open stuff. It’s fun. These days though, I’ve learned to just buy what you want. There’s no such thing as $5 or less packs anymore.
There was a whole lot interesting in this one, as always. Happy Sunday.
@@JayAverageVintageCollector thanks Jay! Yeah I love opening cards too but for the price and odds it’s hard to justify
Appreciate the every Sunday morning video JWH
Thanks!
Deactivating the cert don't mean nothing if the person who buys the card don't go on PSA and look it up so that card can be handed down a lot of times or just cracked the case and resubmit it
It does help, if the current owner tries to sell the card, but you're correct, does little to prevent the card from being resubmitted.
Ideally, psa flagged the submitters account, so it's a little easier to catch.
When is the next ACE card video coming out?
Soon
I like the line up card idea!
@@warrendinCLE it’s fun!
Congrats on 10k 🎉
@@jimmy_iKoN thank you!
Are you really worried about the Celtics after the 3rd game of the regular season, on the heels of winning a championship? Yup, you're definitely a Boston sports fan. 😆
@@KipArmadillo lol so true
What!? No mention of the CT Scan news!?
@@alessandrorossi1294 I haven’t caught up on that yet.
@@JunkWaxHero OK, I await in anticipation!
PSA certs. The hidden crease is what gets everyone's attention. That is a way different situation than some dirt and grime removed. So the hidden crease makes this different than a normal cleaning.
You know it would be rally sneaky to just post a PSA slab one day and claim it has been cleaned but has a hidden crease. Most of these slabs are just floating around between owners for months or years. Someone screws you over on an ebay deal? Just report to PSA it's a cleaned card inside the slab with a hidden crease. Put it on social media. Demand justice. I think the hidden crease in the card irks PSA more than anything. That is taboo in the world of the hobby. Questions remain - how many slabbed PSA cards have hidden creases? How can they miss something like this? And the biggie: how would the PSA guarantee worked in this situation if someone had purchased the slab and then found out about the hidden crease that PSA missed?
PSA technology that can detect previously graded cards? It is working perfectly. Keep resubmitting those PSA 9 slabs bc it makes them a ton of money. The first time PSA's technology kicks some card back will be the end of re-submissions. Word like that gets out quickly, especially on social media, especially when money is lost. And a financial windfall of regrading cards will be gone. I don't expect PSA to complain about regrading cards. Their tech is working fine.
The problem with people posting on social media is the population of people we are talking about. Many of these people have compulsion habits (which works well with busting packs). Their compulsive attributes essentially forces them to post things on social media which other people would not do. And the rest is history. For some people their compulsion is their biggest perceived strength. The old saying is don't let your biggest strength become your biggest weakness.
The Lew Alcindor RC auto for $44k. I wonder what the price would have been had the card not been a tall boy? What would a standard size of that card brought in the final price? Maybe 2x, maybe 4x? Makes me ask what is the best Topps NBA RC? They dropped the ball on Jordan and Wemby (Wemby prices on unlicensed cards will continue to drop like turkeys from a plane on WKRP). Magic and Bird were those gawd forsaken mini's. KAJ as a tall boy? At what point down the totem pole of the all time best basketball players does Topps - in the history of their company - finally get an NBA RC right ?
I like the lineup card relics. I wonder what the back of the card says in the disclaimer. Do they still use the generic language about the relic not being from any specific game or event?
I'm guessing Beckett has limited their searches because they pay Google and Google charges more for more searches on a website. IMO this is fine for Beckett. I think they position themselves as a takeover candidate when they have these issues that can be fixed with a little investment from a 3rd party takeover. Just like the 9.5 as gem mint. Nobody wants a 9.5, they want a 10 on their card. So another little adjustment a takeover company could do is fix the grading scale. Make the company more marketable. Make some more announcements and suddenly they look like a possibly viable company again, for a few months. I doubt any little issue at Beckett gets fixed. It keeps them looking like a viable takeover.
What gets my attention some this week is how many hobby stores were selling Topps Update hangers and blasters. None had made it to Walmart yet that I'm aware. Nearly all the hangers being sold by hobby shops are already marked up - some at $30 per hanger. How did the hobby shops end up getting retail products before retail outlets got them? Is this some new agreement with dealers and Fanatics? You can see a clear financial reason why the product is being routed through hobby shops - they are making a killing.
The Mantle auto's - maybe they get seeded 1 in 100,000 packs in $5 per pack product. So each $2500 auto creates $500,000 in sales. And they have 99?
@@joeschmoe2011 great comment! Really thought-provoking.
I hadn’t heard about the Topps Update going to hobby shops first. I’ll see what I can find out.
@@joeschmoe2011 and the Mantle autos buyer went public. I’ll share more in my newsletter tomorrow.
This guy who cleaned the Jackie is actually a horrible human cleaning cards aside.
@@Toppstraded13 who is it? Never heard of him
@ it’s a father and son team on Whatnot. Daddy owns a few grocery stores and has money. They have a discord blacklist whatnot streamers and users don’t kiss the pinky ring.
Keep it to yourself, nothing wrong with cleaning your cards but not altering
Little late this morning…
@@chrisstarr4523 so sorry. Your refund is in the mail 😂