The Strange Mega Man Game That Was Disowned | Super Adventure Rockman
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- Super Adventure Rockman is an FMV-style Mega Man game released exclusively in Japan for the Playstation 1 and Sega Saturn in 1998. Former Mega Man series head Keiji Inafune hated this game so much, that he has since disowned it and apologized for its existence. Thus, today on Stuff We Play, we're looking at Super Adventure Rockman: The Strange Mega Man Game That Was Disowned!
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Quickman: *dies*
Megaman 2 players: perhaps I treated you too harshly.
I definitely felt that way tbh
Mayhaps.......
*he’s still a douche though*
Honestly this game being probably the first bit of Mega Man media to give Quick Man his character that would also later be shown in things like Gigamix and the Archie comics is one of the things that redeems it for me. Even after dying and being brought back, he openly argues with Dr. Wily about what Ra Moon is up to.
I like how the MM1 Robot Masters were on the same side as Mega Man, since they were originally created by Dr. Light before being reprogrammed by Dr. Wily, which does make perfect sense. :)
actually, in Megaman Gigamix, the Stardroids summon something called “The Black Sun”, which bears a STRIKING resemblance to Ra Moon, so that’s the only other official reference
Keiji Inafune: I don't like this game, it's too dark and depressing for a Mega Man game.
Also Keiji Inafune: *Proceeds to create Mega Man Zero, which is even DARKER than Super Adventure Rockman ever was*
I'd say it's fine when a game that has a different tone defines itself as a new sub-series. My expectations for a story in the classic series is way different than my expectations for the X series, for example. Sure, they take place in the same universe, but the lens you view the world from differs. Similarly, I'm fine with darker takes on the classic series like Ariga's Megamix series since they're their own thing separated from the main games.
I think he was speaking specifically about the classic series. He was always vehemently against those games being dark or serious.
The x and zero series are meant for older mature players it's meant to be dark but the original blue bomber is meant for kids
Remember when Mega Man wanted to kill Wily in Mega Man 7? That was epic
@@UmbreonAnimate Yeah, I remember.
I also remember that being a translation error.
Black Sheep of the classic Mega Man series is an understatement. I think this game would've ended up better received if the gameplay was handled a lot better, because at the same time I like how they went for more bold storytelling.
Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who appreciates the Archie Mega Man comics.
Oh yeah, that game the Archie comics adapted for some reason
The Archie comics adaption was amazing!
Because it's kind-of interesting and was a good set-up for the Stardroids plot that they unfortunately were never able to really get to.
Archie even adapted Megaman and Bass 2
@@fatherpucci1675 Unfortunately we would never see it’s storylines as for they couldn’t get that far either
“It wasn’t my fault I tried to take over the world, the giant eyeball made me do it!”
~Archie Dr. Wily in court
Wow,i never had seen someone talking about this game, only gameplay
I honestly like this game
I hope you enjoyed the video!
This was my first ever Mega Man game for the PlayStation! Mom bought me the 3 disc set along with my (Japanese) PSX knowing I'm a Mega Man fan. I was so amped to play upon seeing the opening cutscenes. I kept waiting eagerly for an "intro stage" to play only to realize the cutscenes aren't ending. I eventually grew to love the game for what it was. Thanks for covering this game!
Oh that's such a cool memory! Thank YOU for sharing!
Funny detail about New yellow devil if you look closely on the backgrounds outside of the temple of the moon you actually can see him as part of the walls as a decoratio
That's actually a really neat detail!
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It's too bad this game didn't work out. This was one of the only times we got to see a bunch of the Robot Masters together as characters with dialogue and everything. Would have been cool to see more of that.
Can't disown something that you didn't start in the first place. While Inafune is the co-creator of Megaman, he wasn't on the team when Super Adventure Rockman started development.
Well I mean, his name was still on the final version though, wasn’t it?
Why was that story more darker than any X game?
It's not darker than the X series, it's just out of place for the classic series.
Okay, seeing how ridiculously powerfull Ra-Thor is I wonder if it could beat Zero in a fight.
Finished Zero full power? I doubt it.
Speaking of, I saw a neat fanart that theorized that Gate from X6 reverse-engineered Ra Thor to make Hi-Max
There's a fine difference between hard and rewarding vs. hard and unbearable.
I actually would watch this instead of the Man of Action cartoon.
I honestly think this could've been the basis for a great anime series!
“Especially since this arc was followed up by a adaptation of the Gameboy Megaman V” Nope, that wasn’t a thing.
Mistake on my part. In my script it was "planned to be followed". Of course, the comics got canned way too early
31:27
For a second there, I thought I heard "The Great Gig in the Sky" (Pink Floyd) coming from Megaman's scream. 🤣
Great video. I actually like the MegaMan 8 designs better, but then again I also like "modern" Sonic better than the older design, even if I grew up with Sonic and Sonic 2 on the Genesis...
Oh I actually legit like the MM8 designs! I just like the SAR designs better! And I actually have a lot of love for the Modern Sonic designs, too, thanks in part to my love of the Adventure games
The reason it only has robots from 1-3 is because the ones in 4 belong to Cossack and the ones in 5 are all stolen.
or was that 6?
@@CassiusStelar
5 was made by Wily, 6 was stolen.
@@mohdadeeb1829 ty
Keiji Inafune: I don't like Super Adventure Rockman
Also Inafune: creates Mega Man Zero
There’s also Iris’s fate.
@@austinreed7343 Oh true...
@@cobalt7248
If anything, Inafune has a penchant for “women in refrigerators” in his games.
@@austinreed7343 Oh god
1) the Classic Series has a much lighter tone and Inafune didn't want the Classic games to be too dark
2) Mega Man Zero is a sequel to a series that already had a dark tone and took itself seriously.
trash joke
This was great, James! It's so very bizarre but I fully understand why Inafune and Capcom kinda push it to the side of all the Mega Man lore. To the far, far, far side... and I agree, the Archie comic was fantastic! Such a shame that they canceled it.
Thanks man! And yeah, even if the game is such an oddity, I'm glad we at least got the comic adaptation!
Kōyōsha had also helped Capcom make a previous game called Shichisei Tōshin Guyferd, which was based on a tokusatsu show by Capcom and Toho back in 1996. It's not a very good game, just being a first person maze type game with strange card battle mechanics.
Also, the first print of the Saturn version of SAR had a game breaking bug that wouldn't allow you to play the entirety of one of the episodes. Capcom recalled most of the copies that didn't sell and then reprinted the game, this time with the error fixed. The PS1 version didn't have this problem afaik
11:39 Being a big fan of Sailor Moon (and magical girl animes in general) I laughed a lot at this XD
Yo, this sounds absolutely amazing. This should be remake as a standard MM game and be fleshed out so it's all like the disk 1-content. Beating a megaman stage and not having to do the fight because of talk no jutsu or because you took an alternate path that sneaks around the boss or you did a clever order of events sounds like it's truly next level for the series(With, ya know, the obvious downside to avoiding bosses being that you power up less).
So it was thrown away just like Mega Man & Bass for being too awesome.
I'm glad to see someone do a deep dive on this game, it's been a topic of interest for me for a very long time. I never knew too much about the development or gameplay of this game and your video went over it really well. I'm also a big fan of your editing and presentation. Good work on this one!
I'd be willing to bet that most of Inafune's problems with this game could be boiled down to "I didn't make it so it sucks."
Quick Man has always been my favourite character in the series (could you guess from the username) so I kinda have a soft spot for both this game and also other Mega Man media like Gigamix and the Archie series. It's almost like ever since Mega Man 2 he's been THE iconic Robot Master, be it as his usual evil self or like in this game sort of an anti-hero, taking a bullet for Mega Man and arguing with Dr. Wily.
Inafune: I don't like this game it's too dark for a MegaMan game.
Also Inafune: Makes the entire Rockman series extremely dark and let's other people not only adapt his older stories to be extremely dark (Ariga Hitoshi) but also had people help him make newer games dark.
Love me some Mega Man especially 4, 7, 9 and 10.
Those are all awesome games! 9 is one of my personal favourites!
To be honest i like the art style of megamam 8 but this art style
(super rockman adventure ) is better
Fits the aesthetic of the original NES series. I like both of them a lot.
I really enjoyed this vid. Super Adventure Rockman is an overlooked game that I do like, despite the seriousness of the tone. Although, I would say that SAR would take place after Megaman 5.
I would want you to check R&F Challenger from the Future for Wonderswan. That game hasn’t aged well.
Fair theory. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
I've been a huge Mega Man fan since 1989 and I have known about this game since its release but I had never seen a half-hour long dedicated video about it. Loved what you did here but I'm buying the game anyway
Imagine lagging on a ps1 game
The main reason I found out about this game was due to its adaptation in the Megaman Archie comics
I wish the version of MegaMan 8 on the legacy collection could have been the Saturn version with the additional bosses
I love this game when i was kid, i have to agree with the battle it's so frustrating and i wish players could move around. I hope they make a remastered version of SAR release it in English and update the battle.
I actually found out about the game before reading about Inafune's opinion on it.
Even imported the discs because I played it before through emulation and like it.
The work rate is INSANE!!!
Thank you tons dude!
Oh also, check MegaMan's announcement trailer for Super Smash Bros 4 again.
He uses the Double Mega Buster near the end.
Despite it turning into Flameman's weapon, this is clearly a SAR reference 👀
Thanks to piracy I was able to buy this game in south America, and loved it! Thank you pirates!
Bruh relatable, I had a ton of pirated japanese ps1 games when I was a kid 💀💀
I actually love the idea of Ra Moon returning in Mega Man lore. He has an amazing backstory and his powers are unique and threatening for a Mega Man game
Gotta say when I heard about this game I was expecting it to be majoras mask levels of dark. I'm a little disappointed it's not as dark as I thought. But I have to remember I looking at this at my current age, If I was seeing this some 23 years ago it would have scared the crap outta me with its darker tones. That said I can see why (and I agree with why) it wasn't released to the west.
If this game got a US release, then I believe it would be Working Designs who would have brought this game to the US.
When I first saw this I thought it was a TV show
Sameee 💀
I own this game. Btw, you know how Roll get sick with roboenza in Mega Man 10? I have a hunch they reused that little bit from this title.
I had fun with this game. Ra Thor was ridiculously hard for younger me but after multiple tries, I managed to beat him and Ra Moon.
I can absolutely see that! That's my new headcannon haha
I always wondered what the deal was with ra moon in the comics
I love the hand drawn anime artstyle in the megaman 8 fmv cutscenes, but the animation in this game just looks awkward. The characters just look off and the animation just feels less dynamic. I feel like we are not looking at the same games here with your comment on it.
I have never EVER heard of this game before despite years and years of being a MegaMan fan. Thank you for doing a breakdown of it!
I think the idea of a classic Megaman game with a focus on story is certainly a good idea in theory. That's part of why this game sticks out in my mind. But it's a shame that the game probably went too dark for the classic series - I feel like killing off Roll is practically a sin and some parts of this game just downright depressed me when I played through it. I love Quick Man so seeing what happened to him made me so sad. That, and I honestly prefer the Megaman 8 anime-style cutscenes to these as they seem more detailed and fluid than what we got here. Glad I wasn't the only one who had to pause in the Ra Devil fight because of thumb pain. Those fights really sucked and one thing not mentioned in this video is that the sound design in those fights also suck, the frog fight especially where it screeches at you every other second. To top it all off, because I can't afford a game this expensive that I may or may not like, when I played it I did so with downloaded Roms, and it must just be my Roms but the battle music just didn't play at all in discs 2-3.
I liked your points about discs 2-3 being more boring compared to 1, as when I played, I'd feel interested in disc 1, but then soon after I started disc 2 I just got bored and quit the game several times before I decided to try finishing the game fully. Wasn't really worth it though considering that you can just watch the cutscenes on youtube and spare yourself actual hand pain.
Also, for a story based game, some parts of the story are rather...flawed. I believe I once read that Roll falls ill just because she is a girl robot, and I gotta call BS on that. I also read one explanation saying she falls ill because she was outside when the EMP hit, but I'm calling BS on that too since in the beginning we see Rush and Beat outside. But that's just me nitpicking.
Oh, and the cheery theme Brand New Way from Megaman 8 plays in the credits...which show clips from the bad endings. Tone mismatch much?
Comic adaptation was very well done though.
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Wait RA MOON? Is this thing the basis for Ra Mu in MegaMan Starforce 2?
Ra Mu gave humanity the gift of EM Wave Technology, but then war broke out between the tribes of Mu. Its very similar.
the original creator of megaman (Akira Kitamura) said "I think that the perfect Rockman is not how I conceive him (a sad and lonely megaman, who has to make decisions like turning himself off or not), if not like the ideas of more colleagues altogether ".
So, rot Inafune, you are not the only one who decides the tone of the megaman story
...What if they made a remake/a remastered version that they doubled checked and make sure that their is no errors in it. I like the idea of a super computer that is supposed to represent the dark side of the moon, later on became a super computer that can make adjustments/enhancements to its own creations or make robot's program and designs come to life out of thin air. Without Ra Moon I couldn't make up what should happen in my episode 5 (Its in development right now but I made a opposite version of Ra Moon. He's name is Ra Sun). No I am not trying to self promote and I bet this guy's content is WAY better than mine.
P.S. Ra Moon I think created the Stardroids
Thanks for making this video! I didn't even know this existed!
You're welcome dude! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
This game also has the only incredible music i ever seen, Brand New way, as you can see megaman games doesn't have music like this, but you have to listen now on TH-cam, it's beautiful!
I'm legitimately curious to see what's the difference (if any) between the ps1 version and the Saturn version.
If I ever find a Saturn copy that's affordable, I'll definitely do a side by side comparison!
@@StuffWePlay I can have my brother in Japan look for it if he can get it for the cheap!
Oh sweet! It's hard to find though. It apparently didn't sell great
Oh, I remember seeing a compilation of all the cutscenes in the game on TH-cam with Spanish subtitles. I'm honestly impressed someone got to translate it to my language.
I didn't even know this game existed! D: Thank you for making this video, 'cause I bet I wasn't the only one!
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'm surprised there hasn't been much other coverage of this on TH-cam. I may go back sometime and do a similar look at the trilogy of Mega Man DOS games and the Wonderswan game!
@@StuffWePlay The trilogy of WHAT NOW????? Oh man. Is it bad I'm already excited for your video?
@@LeilaRWilson Not bad at all! It's definitely something I'm looking forward to making in 2020!
For me the worst Rockman game is Rockman 6. I never liked it that I cant jump after performing a slide. I played Super Adventure Rockman during the early 2000's and this is very underrated and unappreciated game. I like almost everything about it: the FMV, the decisions you can do in the game that affects the story, and also the battle system where it becomes like a light gun shooter although I think having a light gun support would had made the game easier to navigate during fights.
Somewhere, the full res version of that animation must still exist! And the painted Cels
I actually agree the game was enjoyable to just watch. I know back in the day before TH-cam annihilated annotations - there was a pretty solid 'subbed' version.
Also gogdamn do I miss the Archie comic's. I was excited for the Stardroid saga- I wasn't aware until like 2-ish years back on what actually happened. I just thought it was still in hiatus and went to wait for news of the Manga adaptation- that also fell off before the Stardroids...
-Curse you Penders not only did you kill Sonic but you took Megaman down with him.-
Actually, I use an extension that restores annotations! I've used it to play around with some old interactive content haha
@@StuffWePlay Wait, that exists?
Wait there was a dubbed version??
I need a English dub for super adventure of rock man and where is mega man 4 5 6 7 8 robot masters dr Cossack and rest
Sounds like it could have been pretty awesome
It certainly had a lot of potential!
I have a very high quality bootleg of this game. Owned it for well over 21yrs now, and thankfully it still works :')
It was one of those things you just couldn't understand why they existed or why they weren't in English but it filled that wish little tween me wanted: A rockman anime :p
I completely forgot this game existed. Thanks for the review.
I think only the wily bots from 2 and 3 are present because the masters in Megaman 4 weren't built by wily, they were built by doctor Cossack. So, because of that, Wily wouldn't have the data for Ra Moon to copy. I'd say it probably takes place between 4 and 5, sometime after beat is made but before the megaman 5 robots were constructed by wily.
I'm realizing that I know all the strange and elusive mega man games because I've read all the mega man comics.
Great video, this is super interesting and I love dark stuff in mega man !
I kinda wanted to skip the sponsor message, but then I realised what the website he was being sponsored by actually is. Screw Ebay, this is my go-to website, now. Thank you for introducing us to it.
I'm a girl lol. But thank you tons!
16:45 he actually still tries to kill you
Great video this game has always been interesting to me the Archie comics story adapting it was actually pretty good
22:59 it's no wonder why keiji inafune publicly and famously disowned this game the endings are disturbing and dark as hell
So, the question at 24:34 can be explained.
Mega Man 4's robot masters were built by Dr.Cossack, not Dr.Wily, and Ra Moon re-created Wily's robots based off of his computer data. Beat the Bird does first appear in MM5 but was created and gifted to Mega Man by Dr.Cossack. So if this game were to fit into the canonical timeline it would be after the events of Mega Man 4 but before Mega Man 5 thus why the only Wily robots that we see are MM2 and MM3. The MM1 Robot Masters were created by Thomas Light and sent to help Mega Man, also why they were not recreated by Ra Moon.
At least that's the theory I am going with.
ppl only remember this cus of the archie comics
i wish this game came out in america
That could be very interesting if it had!
It would've been incredibly expensive, probably rarer than Tron Bonne.
I have the PS1 version. I'd didn't mind it.
I own that and quite expensive during the time I purchased it, never finished it the game is just way too hard.
They should at least dub the anime scenes. If not translate it and re-release
Or remake it with a better fps system
You know what's even weirder? The fact that this game's story was adapted in Archie's Megaman comic run.
Stuff like this is what i dont like about the franchises and why it has no future. Sure they could still just make the same formula over and over again until its just boring. But this was a change of pase. Sure the "tellstory" gameplay may not be appealing to everyone, but disown a game because its "Too dark"? I simply don't get it, i know megaman classic is not supposed to be "Serious" like megaman X does, but i think thats what they're wrong, sure the people dying in the helicopters was a bit too much, but that was pretty much it, the action is felt here, there is no cheesy stuff. It almost feels like im watching Astro Boy, that series featured a lot of robot violence and it was fine. Why not here? Its a shame, this was definetely a fun watch, and even tho the "Gameplay" sucks a lot, i think it could have been the start of an *Actual* Megaman animated series loyal to the original designs with an interesting story about Robotic Morals. Is that too much to ask?
I’ve actually watched some of the American cartoon on TH-cam lol. It’s campy but fun
It is! It's also rather nostalgic for me. I still have nightmares about buff Protoman sometimes
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This game is a cool thing to see a playthrough on TH-cam and not that much more
At least the events of this game was adapted in the Archie comics so I guess SAR was completely not forgotten
I've been wondering what anime studio did the actual animation for this game 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔. Like I know that Xebec did the cutscenes for Megaman 8 X3 and X4 and Maverick Hunter X including the OVA included with it. They also did Megaman NT Warrior/Rockman EXE Anime. I'm wondering if Xebec also did this uncredited thinking that people would assume that since Capcom had them to produce the cutscenes in Megaman 8 X3 X4. I personally can't tell if Xebec did this and I'm pretty good at being able to tell by the animation style who did the animation.
my guess is they only included masters from 1-3 because the only wanted to make the game a certain length and including more robot masters would make it longer.
Megaman 8 voice acting:
*(Megaman screaming for a minute... like, who wanted to know he could win a screaming competition, anyway?)*
Deltarune Spamton Eyes at 7:56
Wow this is dark holy shit.
You could get his shield in mega Man 7
0:46 I dunno, Inafune. You may feel regret, but I'd say it's. Hmm, how'd it go? Ah yes; *better than nothing.*
Maybe one day get an Anime basic on Super Adventure Rockman, but only time will tell
Yeah, this one, I have a chance to play it when I was young around the time of MM8 and B&C. The story while pretty fine it's a tad too dark for Classic Megaman, and the First person combat sucks hard. I do like the idea and the Art tho, and seemingly this is a rushed project so if given time it could be good.
Megaman is in Dragalia lost!
I saw! I might finally try it out now haha
Gameplay starts at 07:00 ...
Thanks
I think you oversold the obscurity of this one in the intro tbh my man, it has a lot more exposure thanks to Archie
25:20, ah yes, I agree.
26:58, was gonna bring that up.
28:51, pffft. Oh pls. Megaman 10 had a virus story and that was pretty intense. >_>
30:20, shout-outs!
31:10, aw yeah.
Virus on Robots? What about humans, which presented on some cutscenes?
I learned of this game from the Mega Man comics
My issue with the Megaman games is that they always take place in 20XX, Why can't they use an actual year, like 2075 for instance?
I bet it's to make them age better than if they just used real years instead.