I was going to also suggest that the Amex is an absolute pleasure to use. I don’t like having to fix stuff around the house but I still get excited every time I use the vessel.
The Mac is my favorite by far. I own three of the complete bit kits. The bits are S2 tool steel and have the anti cam grooves on the Phillips and Flat blades. The kit is a steal when you consider the price per bit elsewhere. The new Milwaukee is very disappointing on price and back drag, I even tried smoothing it out by running it with a drill for 10 minutes and ultimately completely disassembled it and removed the wave washer to decrease back drag.
I ended up liking it more than I expected to. Other than the noise of the ratchet, I can't really think of much I don't like about it and that isn't a deal breaker with how good everything else is.
They are nice incredibly well built screwdrivers but just were lacking a few key things for it to get my top spot. I haven’t tried the stubby but I imagine the quality is similar.
Agree. Many options, with a locking bit holder on some, and the handles are near optimally shaped. To test this, put some silly putty around a shaft and form it with your hand.
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I was going to say the same thing. As someone who primarily uses his screwdriver for computer stuff, it was an expensive driver (for me) that has ended up as one of my favorite purchases.
I think it’s overlooked because it’s assumed it’s not high quality given the origin and then the other factor being the price. During the pre order phase the price was my hesitation but I am happy enough to have purchased it twice. Good quality tools can come from all over.
I believe that they licensed the patents but if I am not mistaken, the LTT has been revised internally. I don't believe Megapro has adopted those changes.
Got the megapro after seeing reviews on the LTT driver. I manage a restaurant so having a good ratcheting driver always on my bag can be a life saver. But I don't use it often. I'm perfectly happy with it.
I have the Snap On Ratcheting screwdrivers that I purchased almost 25 years ago. One is black and one is orange. They have not let me down and have never been rebuilt. I have the Matco bright green ratcheting screwdriver. It has been rebuilt a few times and it is a POS. I have the Vessel Megadora set for JIS and they are exceptional and will work on regular Phillips screws.
They make a lot of solid options so depending on personal preference they have something that will work for most. At that price point, I would be hard pressed not to pick them against the others. If Vessel made a bit holding screwdriver that I felt about like I feel about their ball grips that might sway me but the fwd/rev selector on the one I featured here just isn't great.
Awesome review! One thing that is a non-starter for me is proprietary bits. Many of these use proprietary bits and that to me disqualifies them. The Snap-On existed long before any of the others so I guess I’m trained to really love using it by now. Going to have to get the LTT though.
The LTT is made in chynna with plastic parts in the ratcheting mechanism. Why anyone would pay $75 for a shoddily made chyneze screwdriver is beyond me.
Megaprop makes screw drivers for a number of different manufacturers and that's pretty common place with other's on this list too. The Gedore silent ratcheting screwdriver is made for them by another company and sold under a number of other brands too.
I currently own a Williams, Megapro Automotive and a Vessel Ball Grip. My favorite is the Vessel. Initially disappointed with its backdrag , I took it apart (yes, it's doable) and lubed it up with Superlube). Its backdrag now is incredibly low (Koken levels). I also "worked in" the yellow switch to make it easier to turn. I can do it easily with two fingers while working the ratchet. A pleasure to use. I ordered and returned the Anex version as I did not like the backdrag (and couldn't open it) and overall liked the feel and operation of the vessel (at least for my hands and fingers). Great reviews on here!
I love the Wera and Snap On. The snap on is old school but the ratchet mechanism is fantastic. Like butter. The weras are great too and I love the handle ergonomics and bit locks.
Hey, very nice work! This overview starts with a compact format and then your editing helped to keep things moving along with no major sacrifice of useful content. Also, are you becoming more comfortable on-camera or are you so much a ratcheting screwdriver geek that you really enjoyed shooting this segment? LOL Either way, looks like you had fun. Quick question: while testing the Kleins, did you try swapping their bits in other drivers? I ask b/c recently, some of their tools come with (apparently) proprietary bits. i.e.: non-standard hex dimensions. .
It was a passion project for sure. Thank you. As for the Klein, I haven't had any issues with the drivers that have 1" bits. Some of there double ended bits won't work in standard hex bit stuff.
Great to see so many ratcheting screwdrivers side by side! I have a PB Swiss ratchet screwdriver 6510.R-30 with ten bits stored in its handle, so scores points there, although I do like their red grip. I have the Rolgear "silent" ratchet which I believe they licence to other brands. Sometimes I use it. Wera offer their 814 RA pistol grip ratcheting handle so have multiple styles covered. I really like the Wera stubby ratchet - use it a lot
I like my Rolgear a lot except how the bit storage bites into your hand. Also I notice mine slips sometimes, like the ratchet just disengages… notice anything similar on the Gedore?
The Gedore that I have doesn't have any bit storage. So there might be different versions, but the rachet mechanism and the fact they're both silent seems like it can't just be purely coincidental.
@@TinkerWithTools Not sure what you mean. Do you mean slipping out of ratcheting mode? If so no not at all. It's just about perfect. I think the Wera is way too sloppy.That now sits in my garage. I have 2 PB swiss. Like you stated built well but no bit storage is a no for me. I bought the one also with bit storage and just wasn't thrilled with it. It's in my car kit now. The Hazet for me checks all the boxes and turns into a medium stubby. It's actually weird at first using it without the ratcheting noise. I wasn't sure it was actually working but it works great for me. I also like the way they did the bit storage. I took out the pozi's and added Vessel JIS bits.
When trying to ratchet, mine will sometimes slip or skip the back ratchet and turn the tool in both directions. It's not all the time, but it's enough that when I hand it to someone to try out, they often will say something like "what did it do there?" when it works I like it but on the Gedore I have that has made me hesitant to try the other models of it.
@@TinkerWithTools Mine hasn't done that at all. It's kind of odd the first few times using it as you don't get any feedback which way it's ratcheting. I was changing out a belt on a stationary bike. I was laying on the floor lining up the belt guard. A couple screws were on the bottom and the screwdriver was too long. I was going to get a stubby when I remembered the long bit holder is removable. I took it off and put the bit in the handle and it worked perfectly. It's really 2 screwdrivers in one similar to the Vessels. I also have Vessel ball grips but not ratcheting. I have a Japanese domestic cordless Vessel that takes Japanese style bits. That is nice as well. I forgot what they are called but the shank is different than we use here.
Love mine! Can't fault it. Got Gedore but i kinda also wanted a locking bit option. So i jumped on Hazet as soon as i found out it has it. No slippage on mines whatsoever fortunately. Perhaps it is a QC issue at Oplast. Slovenian company that produces them.
I have the dewalt, ball grip vessel and anex, and also the OEM that rebranded by TONE. And my go to ratcheting screwdriver is the anex. Main reason is the ergonomic, the anex ball grip is so comfortable in my hand. It also easy to turn the shaft with just your thumb and forefinger. So helpful when starting or ending the tightening/loosening. Second reason, is the shaft thickness. It is as slim as the bit itself. Since I have a long(150mm) and slim Japanese bits(+2 bit, only 4mm in diameter), it's very useful when I try to get into tight spaces/small holes that needs precision and a good view. But well, the 2nd reason also the turn off for many people. since you have to buy additional longer bits to fully utilize it. Since it has a deep bit holder, the standard 1 inch bit will sink into it. haha
Yeah, the ball grips are great for a lot of things and there is a lot to like about them, but if I could only pick one, I would have hard time making that the section. It doesn't come in handy for situations like you mentioned though.
The Klein 11-1 with bit drivers is most versatile one I’ve found and rugged, I use it in impact wrench as well flip shaft allows you to somewhat customize to your use, it my most used even though I have the pb Swiss and love feel and smooth action of it
Yeah I overlooked that on the graph. The backdrag was measurably higher than the other low back drag screwdrivers. Something like 350g or something like that.
I’ve got a husky ratcheting screwdriver I’ve had for probably 10 years now. The only complaint I’ve had with it is the quality of the factory bits, but those were easily replaced. . It’s got a comfortable handle, a nice ratcheting mechanism, solid bit storage and a good, strong magnet. I don’t think it’s ever left a bit in a screw. And that thing has been absolutely abused. 😂 It’s one of the tools I grab when I have to pack up some tools and go.
My goto at work is "Stanley Tools 68010 3 inch Multi-Bit Ratcheting Screwdriver, 10 Bits, Black/Yellow". When my coworkers ask to borrow a screwdriver I have it in my go bag and hand it to them. Never had any complaints. I recently grabbed the Craftsman dual drive CMHT68129. There is also a Stanley version and Kobalt version of the same driver. Its also pretty nice. The dual drive takes some getting used to but I am liking it.
I was able to get my hands on the PB Swiss ratcheting driver WITH a bit holder. It's great but they are expensive and almost impossible to find. Took 6 months on back-order but its the best screwdriver I've ever owned. Zero movement with ratchet collar in middle position. Super impressive.
I’ve been considering buying that one lately. I do love the driver that I have but regardless of the quality at that price point it just felt there were more complete options.
But that zero movement in the middle position means tons of backdrag. The more movement there is, the less backdrag there is and vice versa. You can't have both little backdrag and little movement, that's just how ratcheting mechanisms work. And well, in my opinion you buy a ratcheting driver for the ratcheting, so make this as good as possible and don't half-ass it just to use it as a fixed driver. Use a fixed driver then instead if that is what you want.
I think it's a great budget option and there is a lot of it that I like, I just see other screwdrivers doing it a little bit (although at a higher cost).
You've got all but one I have - plus lots I don't - and I have too many. My favorite is the Vessel ball grip, but I can't say why really, as it's sort of annoying how you can turn the forward/reverse ring by accident, but I still use it more than any other. Husky makes a ratcheting driver that stores longer bits in the handle, and it's very heavy, but I like that when I need to bear down on things, and it's smoother than the felo (which is my real favorite for breaking things loose, or stripping screws). I also have the Gedore, and I haven't noticed any slippage in that; maybe you got a bad one. I got it specifically for putting in small screws in things like hard drives, and it's always worked for me. I've used other roller drive screwdrivers, and I've had those slip when you really torque them, so I wouldn't use the Gedore for big wood screws, for instance.
Milwaukee wasn’t done justice, I just picked up a 14in1 ratcheting screw driver with impact ready magnetic tip bits, in handle storage with bit holders,a smooth ratching system with a a nice padded grip and it came with a extension bar all for under 20$
I’ll admit that I don’t personally own the newest ratcheting screwdriver but I do own the newer non ratcheting version. In my example and in others that tried in store I found a few issues that for me were reasons not to buy it. The bit holder on mine and one other at the store that I checked out had the lid come off on the bit compartment multiple times. The extension piece that acts as the shaft has little to no retention with the handle. For $20 bucks there is decent bit selection but at that price but I would rather get one of the Klein at the price point.
@@TinkerWithTools I personally haven’t had any issues with the end cap coming loose, but yeah the extension rods not the greatest as far as how well it holds in place but for 19$ and some change I’m happy with it, I also like it cause there all impact ready so I can and have used em with my Milwaukee drill.i also just went to Home Depot and picked it up out of convenience rather than visiting a more industrial veered company like Klein or wera.
@@kielerrivera6567 the cap thing was maddening. And just to be clear the idea of all that they included in the screwdriver is great. I just felt those few things could have been better. And honesty using it for as an extension for the impact wouldn’t be terrible because the rest of it works fine.
PB Swiss make the best ratcheting mechanism hands down IMO. One thing you don't mention in the video is how solid the screwdrivers are when in locked mode, the PB Swiss literally feels like a standard fixed screwdriver, there's zero play, it's very impressive. Also they of course do versions with 10 bits in the handle. Snap On bit storage isn't pretty but it is functional, and they're proven to last forever with a great warranty. I'd say those two were underrated in the comparison, there's a reason they charge the big money! LTT on the other hand is a tad overrated in my opinion, no doubt it's a good option but I'd be interested to see how they're holding up in 5-10 years.
The durability question is a fair point. I have had mine now for 18+ months and other than some color wearing off on the bits, it's still working like day one. If I learned anything from this comparison it's that this is a highly personal choice. My goal in the video was to present a wide range of comparison points and then let you viewers decide what works for them. All the points you made about PB Swiss and Snap-on are fair and accurate, but for some (like myself) the bit storage on the snap on will bother others. For me it comes down to the price point they are at, and that feature feeling like an afterthought at a price point that was the most premium in this group.
@@TinkerWithTools Yea I can see what you mean, personally I'd like the Snap On to have nicer bit storage. However I also think it's part of the brand ethos to make tools that last a lifetime, and I can see from that perspective why a simple container style is much less likely to have issues than something that folds out of the handle. As you say, a personal choice, but I personally doubt it was an afterthought by Snap On.
I've had my Snap On since the early 90's and it's still good to go lol, I have others (Wera, Wiha, Craftsman) but always end up back with old faithful...
You are right. This model and the non pistol grip is sold by at least 5-10 companies that I have seen. The one that had been recommended to me was the Bahco but the price and availability made this model a better option.
Megapro does 90% of the LTL and MAC, for half the price. For me, I like that ratio. Plus, I find it well built, solid. I also like the double end bits.
A person who needs a racheting screwdriver with impact-ready bits has hand strength and agility far beyond mine. 😊 That said, I understand the convenience of being able to use impactor bits in your impact wrench and screw driver.
@@TinkerWithTools I have a Klein 13-1 arriving today.I prefer impact bits, and have one of virtually every type and size. .The litlle short bits annoy me.
Tip: Use a 1/4" ratchet with screwdriver handle and 1/4" bit on top. Less wear on the wrist. If you really have to get one of these, search for one which has long bits on the tip to avoid future clearance issues.
I love my LTT. I've had it for about a year. It's the best I've ever tried. Does everything I need from it. Anything heavier duty I'll usually just grab my impact driver anyway. Just wish I could find a way to fit 12 makita bits inside. You can only fit 6 standard size bits.
Yeah it’s one of the compromises they made in design but I will say that at least they allow for the use of standard bits. I much prefer that over proprietary bits that make it so you can’t.
Didn't know that Vessel had a bit holder ratcheting version of their 2200 series. I've been using the ratcheting phillips one, patiently waiting for Vessel to release other attachments like robertson, torx, or nut drivers. But it doesn't look like they'll ever do that. I used your link to buy the Vessel bit holder driver and subscribed.
The Doyle ratcheting Screwdriver is basically a Klein (old school) clone. It is $15 (when not on sale) and works really well. Had mine for about a year and love it. If people like the OG Klein, they’ll like this one.
That was my main reason for not including the Doyle was simply that it was a clone. I don't prefer that style at this point but my Klein served me well for several years and can take a real beating.
Your Gedore must be faulty. I have 2 and they have zero drag and have never slipped. Doc also says they have "almost" no drag, but actually they have no drag whatsoever, the clutch rollers disengage completely from the shaft, and if they are not touching they can't drag on anything. What's the value you measured? From the graph it looks like about 20g. Also worth mentioning, it is very easy to open and clean the mechanism on the Gedore (and others like it). Yours might simply have some dirt in there. I'm not sure if you mentioned this, but some models turn the ratcheting selector in the direction of screwing and some turn in the reverse direction. I prefer turning the selector in the same direction that I'll be using.
I'll have to look into cleaning it. As for the graph, it's a spring scale that measures in grams of force applied while turning. And yes, as for the selectors it's about half and half. I think that will mostly come down to personal preference. I find that if I am using one enough, it starts to become more natural regardless of thew way it operates.
@@TinkerWithTools Yeah, I know how the spring scale works, but I was curious how much the Gedore actually measured in grams. Never heard anyone say they preferred the inverted selector type, but I guess it's possible...
Yes, this one measures grams. and when it comes to these ratcheting screwdrivers...there is someone who prefers just about every odd or unique option that is out there.
Sorry, I misread the question. The gedore was basically nothing. It causes the needle to vibrate when it's not slipping but it's virtually zero. With the slipping it jumps up occasionally over some of the other ultra low back drag models but without that it would be the champ.
If you're looking at Vessel l, I strongly suggest trying their fixed-blade screwdrivers. They seem overpriced compared to their ratcheting options, they're excellent to use. Well-balanced, strong knurling like the LTT driver, and just the right amout of weight for the diameter of the knurling, so they spin very nicely for running fasteners in or out when loose.
I considered getting the Williams instead of the snap-on but I prefer the knurling on the shaft to the smooth shaft, so I went for the snap-on. I meant to mention that you could get the Williams at a cheaper price but it didn't make the final edit. I think some of the things that I don't like about the snap-on (bit storage for example) are more forgivable at a Williams price than a snap-on price.
I love the LTT screwdriver, the only flaw is the grip handle is for low torque functions and also the tip bit holder is on a weak side, I already broke mine but had to purchase another one because I like it.
The driver is the one that broke, I have used snap on and other tools in the past and never broken of a screwdriver before, the actual screwdriver shaft is the weak point on this LTT screwdriver.
The Amazon basics one I used needs both hands to operate else it works as normal Screwdriver. You need to hold the shaft with one hand then turn the handle with the other
Great video. Ratcheting screwdrivers are among my favorite tools. My current favorites are the wera 816 ra, williams wrs-1 and wrst4. The williams drivers are worth looking into; snap-on quality (same manufacturer), budget prices. The megapro automotive is really nice too. The pb swiss is on my list to try, along with the felo. I'd try out the ltt driver too if it stored standard bits.I don't really care about bit storage since all my drivers are kept with the icon mini ratchet set, nor does backdrag have any influence on how good a driver is. Honestly I never even heard of the term before lTT made a fuss about it. In real world use, it's just not a factor. Same goes for wobble. In real world use, it's just not an issue. The most important factors are comfort, reliability, shaft length and magnet strength (though I do prefer the drivers with locking holders). How many teeth in the ratchet and loudness isn't a huge factor as long as they're reliable. I have an old rubbermaid ratcheting driver I bought from walmart some years ago and it has like 10 teeth, but the grip is comfortable and it's been a workhorse before I invested in more expensive drivers.
I talked about the Williams in the unedited version but it got cut from being talked about. Ultimately I ended up going for the Snap-on because of the knurling on the shaft. I loved that on the LTT so I ended up going for the snap-on to try that since they are essentially the same otherwise. Backdrag and wobble may not matter to everyone but depending on the work that you do, it can make a difference. LTT comes from the world of screwdrivers and small electronics and on that type of fastener, I do think it matters more. At the end of all of this, each person will value different qualities of each of the drivers. While I stand by my recommendations, I also wanted to offer enough perspective or information to allow others to make decision on what matters to them as well.
@@TinkerWithTools I respect that, I was giving my own experience as well. In regards to working on small electronics and things of that nature, I've always found the best drivers for that are simple, fixed blade drivers. I've built a ton of PCs (another expensive hobby of mine) using a simple #2 phillips driver. IMHO, a ratcheting driver isn't any more useful for that kind of work. A ratcheting driver is more of a keep in the "frequently used" tool kits. I keep one in the drawer at my desk, one in my around the house tool bag and one somewhere near the kitchen. For fixed drivers, I like wera's handles, but want to try wiha, felo and pb siss too.
@@riba2233 I've just never found it to be a factor in everyday use. With all the ratcheting drivers I've used, including some cheap and wnat many consider to be "junky" drivers, they all handled the jobs fine. This includes everyday, around the house tasks like changing wall/switch plates, woodworking (cabinet hardware), small electronics work, PC building, etc. Like I said, I never even heard of the term before the LTT driver, then suddenly everyone is testing for it. I just don't see it as something important in a ratcheting driver.
Zebra by Würth and surprised you didn’t include anything from Stanley Tools. Zebra is unique as it can convert to pistol grip, has in built LED and the shaft is interchangeable from short to long and 1/4" drive sockets.
I'll have to check out the Zebra. As for Stanley, the main reason for not including is just that it's not that commonly sold in stores around me any more. I think Stanley black and decker has relegated the brands as an afterthought more and more unless you are talking about their tape measures... at least where I live.
Williams...although you have the snap on...the williams which is nearly the same for 30 bucks...In my opinion is very close to the best for the money...
I have since purchased the Williams and I agree with you. I still don't love the bit storage compared to some other options out there but at $38 (what I paid) it's a whole lot less egregious to me. I miss the knurling on the shaft but overall it's 98% what the snap-on is for me.
@@jettschenker I’ll have to check out the titan. I have since purchased the Williams and while I like the snap on more when you factor in price it’s seems like a no brainer to go with the Williams.
First, thanks for subscribing. Second, it’s a skin pigment condition called vitiligo. Parts of my skin have lost the pigment while the rest of hand still will tan in the sun.
I love my MegaPro Automotive. Low back drag, and it has as good grip for heavier applications than the LTT which is really an expensive copy, IMO. The automotive also uses standard 1/4" drive bits, whereas all other MegaPro models use double ended bits with detent pin retention . Standard 1/4 in drive provide for a wider variety of tip styles and lengths as well as nut drivers. They're also easier to replace. The Mac looks nice, but it's too pricey for me. Same goes for the PB Swiss, but that one was missing the Back Drag data. I would have thought it would score well enough to be in the top tier, no??? The Felo looks interesting for getting at odd angles. It's on my consideration list. The DeWalt looks like a great tool for under $20. Of the models shown I think it would be the budget pick. Grats on 10K subs.
The LTT is essentially a refined copy in my book from the mega pro. They took other things that they liked from other screwdrivers (like the shaft from the Snap-on) and made a better screwdriver. The mega pro for me, is 90% of what the LTT is but at half the cost. The PB Swiss omission is a mistake on my part, but it is not low on the back drag. The top performers all hovered about 60-70g where the PB Swiss averaged about 330g. So it's noticeably heavier. Doesn't make a bad screwdriver just won't excel at tasks where that is important. And thank you!
@@TinkerWithTools You're welcome. Well deserved with more to come, I'm sure. Interesting back drag info on the PB Swiss. I would have thought an $80 screwdriver would be a bit more refined.
It’s hard to describe. It feels superior in terms of build quality to every other screwdriver. Backdrag just wasn’t there focus. Doesn’t make it a bad screwdriver just suited better for certain types of work than others.
Calling the LTT a better screwdriver? The LTT has plastic parts in the ratchet mechanism, it won't last and will Linus be around to warranty it when it breaks years down the road? The LTT is made in chynna, should sell for around $20 not the $75 it does sell for. It has a fragile bit holder known to break right out of the box, won't last and isn't covered under their warranty. Meanwhile, you can find hundreds if not thousands of posts from people who have owned and used the Snap On for 20-30 years or more without issue. The Snap On is a tool you can use for a lifetime and hand down to your kids and Snap On will be around to continue to offer warranty rebuild kits in the decades to come, something that LTT doesn't offer at all.@@TinkerWithTools
It's a nice tool that can be rebuilt and serviced... so I think there is value to what they offer, but I think that there are a few items that just knock it down a little, especially considering the price.
@@roninbushito You say this with no idea of how much money I make. I don't need a warranty if I can buy 5 of the same tool of a comparable quality. I just think they are over priced. I don't need Snap-on to feel like a man.
I have 6 of the snap=on hard-handle drivers. I do not care at all about the rattling bits. I can fit 8 in the handle. It has the best handle in the industry. It has some of the lowest back drag, is completely rebuildable, is sooth as butter. It may be expensive but it is the best.
I know this will sound odd coming from a guy who has 25+ ratcheting screwdrivers but have you just acquired 6 over the years or do they each have their place that you use them.
@@TinkerWithTools I have 2 standard-length ones. I have 2 because one failed, and Snap-on sent me a new one instead of a rebuild kit (it is 20 years old). I found a NOS rebuild kit on eBay and rebuilt it myself. I have 2 stubby drivers; I had lost one, so I got another and eventually found the 1st one a year later. I have an extended length (15-inch shaft I think) and a high torque angled handle. I do love them. I also have the LTT driver but find it to be light-duty. The focus on low back drag compromised the strength of the ratchet. It's suitable for computers and home projects but not as a mechanic driver. It is really only $35 less than a snap-on. When you're spending $50, another $35 for a (IMO) much better driver is worth it.
I appreciate you sharing the specifics. And I can see your point about the LTT being ill-suited for your application. in fairness, I am certainly not a mechanic and can see that different drivers will rise to the top given more specific application like that. I think the nice thing is that that there are a lot of nice options out there. And don't get me wrong, I do like the snap-on. Still using it to this day and I have since purchased the Williams to try as well.
@@TinkerWithTools Williams is my jam actually. They are exactly the same as snap-on at half the cost. As a matter of fact I have two sets of Williams hard handle screwdrivers because they are less than one snap-on screwdriver and are exactly the same. I am lucky enough to have a Williams dealer 7 mi away that does warranty exchanges right there in their store. The ratchets leave a little to be desired as they're not really for automotive use however.
I have been trying to get my hands on the Xiaomi Wiha Ratcheting, but I heard negative reviews about it. I opted for the Xiaomi version. Should be getting it soon to see how good it is, especially home from a company that makes phones and other electronics.
The lack of a ratcheting wiha screwdriver to me has always been strange. I love their traditional screwdrivers and have always wanted one. I held off buying the Xiaomi when it was more readily available and now it’s less readily available. It didn’t even coming up in the searches I didn’t in the months leading up to this video.
@@TinkerWithTools Just got it. I am going to be honest with you why I got this over the Wiha because I am not a fan of the design where you pop the bit storage system. If you own one long enough and I don't care how good you take care of the tools, the tabs that release the bit storage are going to wear out over time. Hopefully you know what I am talking about. It's cool and all, but it also feels cheap at the same time. The Xiaomi's bit storage is not any better as it's a push and pop mechanism to release itself; it's held by little prongs that pinches/clamps the bit storage at a point that's engaged by pushing against it. It has low back track as you can freely spin the ratchet. All in all, this feels like a tool that is meant to be used on electronics. I suppose the bits that came with it are Wiha?
I do know what you are talking about. I dropped my Wiha on the sidewalk one time and while it still works most of the time, it caused issues. It's shame because other than that weak point, I think it's an awesome screwdriver.
PB Swiss replaced the Wera which started skipping within a year. Have an older Milwaukee ratching driver which is now the loaner. Although the Snap On keeps the bits loose, it's actually fast to switch bits. The Annex ball handle with a 6 inch Dewalt extension (DWA6HLDFT) sounds like a great combo. Think I'll give that a go...
@@TinkerWithTools I didn't mind it but it's been over a decade. The PB Swiss Insider Pro with the 10 bit magazine could be the ultimate ratcheting screwdriver...
I have the megapro. Its very well made, smooth action, and great feel when you pull it out to get a bit out. The klein is similiar but feels rougher and not as smooth when you pull out to get the bits. The megapro is made in canada. The klein im not sure.
The megapro definitely is the value + pick for me. What I mean by that is with it you are getting 90% of the feel of the more pricey screwdrivers but it's still a nice premium over basic more entry level screwdrivers. It's a great pick!
Here is something you didn't talk about. Klein doesn't offer a spare bit set for the 15 in 1 that I know of . Megapro does & the megapro automotive uses the same bits as the 15 in 1 for 14 $ .
I strongly prefer screwdrivers that use standard bits simply because it makes them so easily replaceable. But you are right that if they don't use that, then offering low cost replacements is a good alternative.
It's not that there is anything inheritantly wrong with them, but I prefer the standard bits for 2 reasons. 1) having the standard bits makes them easily replaceable. 2) having it accept standard bits means that I could use another bit in there should I come across an odd fastener that I need to use. So out of the box, there is nothing wrong with them but at the same price point, having the additional versatility and future replacement potential takes the win for me. The same could be said for some of the Klein drivers.
I didn’t measure or test magnet strength more just mentioned but retention in general. I could have mentioned PB Swiss, but when you have 25 in front of you not every single one will be mentioned just because of the time it would take. I plan on doing follow up shorts for each of the more popular screwdrivers in the coming weeks. You will end up with more specific info in those.
I learned years ago, I only purchase tools I can return (30 days). I use Hazet and Doyle ratchets but also like some of the Klien's. I have a Wera Tool Check but do not like how those ratchets or 816 feels n my hand. Lastly i really dislike stubbys.
Stubby screwdrivers have their place for me but I prefer a more standard size for most things. Having a return window is nice. That’s one reason why I sometimes pay a few dollars for for an easy return process.
I plan on trying the Williams but didn’t have the budget at the time. From what I have hear the main difference between that and the snap on is cost and the lack of nurling on the handle so I imagine most of my same comments would remain but when the tool price decreases the perceived value increases.
I think Wiha also has some nice drivers but I would want to see how you would rank Xiaomi screwdriver. Xiaomi is a chinese brand that did a collaboration with wiha that sold like hot cakes. Now xiaomi made alone, a 16 in 1 I think and it's like $20. The Ratcheting mechanism is very smooth. The only downside for me are the double sided bits.
I have considered getting the Xiaomi but I didn't grab it when it was readily available and now it's just not as easy to buy from big reputable retailers. I wish Wiha would make a ratching version of their 26-in-1 bit driver. I love that thing.
Dude i love your channel man, you cover a variety of tools. I watched an electrician and his so called friend, those guys are God awful negative haters, the non talented one thinks he is God.
I don't care for all of their stuff, but this one is pretty nice. I have some smaller dedicated Phillips and slotted drivers and I don't care for how small the handle is on those versions.
Any ratcheting screwdrivers that you can set the amount of turn before it stops? Like if you set it to 1/4 or 1/8 of a turn it won't go past in either direction.
@@TinkerWithTools For me, it would be for repairing musical instruments. I've seen it used on a video, reached out to the creator of the video but he never got back to me
Not liking the Gedore…feels like you need to get the right gear for the ratchet to work exactly how you want…lock position got a big play or slop and sometimes doesn’t engage properly to lock position too….nice that doesn’t make a noise though.
I'm a huge fan of ratcheting screwdrivers but the snap on annoys me so much more than it should. Such a premium price for a premium brand and they did it the most lazy way possible. "Just dump all the bits in the handle and pour them out when you need to swap bits." Definitely expect a lot better from them
I agree with you. I think for me it’s mostly that storage at that price point. On something like the Williams that I have since purchased it makes more sense at a 38 dollar price point.
@@TinkerWithTools the tri lobe designing of the soft grip handle is just so much more comfortable for my hand. Also, I do wish the snap ons had a better bit organization, but I tend to grab bits from a master bit set anyway.
I have owned one like the craftsman before but it’s been gifted to someone else at this point. I was never going to be able to buy them all but if you own that one, please share your experience.
@@TinkerWithTools Unfortunately, I just ordered it and am waiting for it to arrive. Thought about Klein but couldn’t get past the proprietary bits. Also looked at the MegaPro Automotive but the craftsman went on sale so I snagged it.
Which craftsman model did you order? Next time I am at Lowe’s I’ll take a look at it and provide my thoughts. As for the Klein, the 13 in one impact ready comes with proprietary but in the handle but I found it could also accept other companies bits. Storing them would cut down on storage if you went away from double sided but at least it wasn’t completely propreitary.
Just looking at it online I think you got a decent tool. The bit selection is pretty good. I would opt for one that has on tool bit storage over this style but it will likely function a lot like the other ratcheting screwdrivers from the Stanley Black and Decker corporate umbrella. The DEWALT one I test was a decent value and okay performer. I just wondered how it would hold up to heavy use and abuse.
Snap-on basic hard handle without gimmicks is the best overall and hence the most common in aviation industry. It can take decades of heavy use as long as you just keep replacing the ratched parts as they wear out.
It has been mentioned a time or two and I have been thinking of buying it. The shipping where I have found it has been the main deterrent so far. Where did you buy yours?
The Anex 72 tooth ball grip and the Vessel ball grip are my favorites.
Both are very nice to use.
I was going to also suggest that the Amex is an absolute pleasure to use. I don’t like having to fix stuff around the house but I still get excited every time I use the vessel.
I clicked on the video because you really do good videos .I was surprised just how much i enjoyed your presentation .
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The Mac is my favorite by far. I own three of the complete bit kits. The bits are S2 tool steel and have the anti cam grooves on the Phillips and Flat blades. The kit is a steal when you consider the price per bit elsewhere. The new Milwaukee is very disappointing on price and back drag, I even tried smoothing it out by running it with a drill for 10 minutes and ultimately completely disassembled it and removed the wave washer to decrease back drag.
I ended up liking it more than I expected to. Other than the noise of the ratchet, I can't really think of much I don't like about it and that isn't a deal breaker with how good everything else is.
I love your show. It is nice to see someone looking at the basic home tools that can work professionally.
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I love the LTT as well. I will always recommend that to people. About to try a Vessel and a stubby PB Swiss. Excited to see how those go.
They are nice incredibly well built screwdrivers but just were lacking a few key things for it to get my top spot. I haven’t tried the stubby but I imagine the quality is similar.
Wera every day of the week for me.
Rock solid, well built and well thought out in design.
Can't argue with it. The best thing about having so many to choose from is that everyone can pick the one for them.
Agree. Many options, with a locking bit holder on some, and the handles are near optimally shaped. To test this, put some silly putty around a shaft and form it with your hand.
Love my PB Swiss with the bit storage in the handle, the bits are excellent just wished they had it in a rubberized handle.
I’ve wanted to try that one. Can’t say it would have changed my ranking but just curious how well it works.
Excellent overview of a ton of tools! Some definite food for thought in this video.
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Great Review! Congratulations 🤝 I know how hard is to make a good and trust content. You really brought almost all big players on the game and this kind of content is very rare. Again contrats and keep going 🤝
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LOVE vessel ball grips!
They are great! Super comfortable to use.
Absolutely fabulous in hand. Back drag is kinda high, but I love my Vessel
@@DenyTheZeitgeist See my solution to that above. Game changer
I glad you included the LTT model. I find it is often still overlooked on a lot of tool channels.
I was going to say the same thing. As someone who primarily uses his screwdriver for computer stuff, it was an expensive driver (for me) that has ended up as one of my favorite purchases.
I think it’s overlooked because it’s assumed it’s not high quality given the origin and then the other factor being the price. During the pre order phase the price was my hesitation but I am happy enough to have purchased it twice. Good quality tools can come from all over.
Megapro is the OEM for the LTT. I wonder if that R&D is part of the improved ratcheting design you noticed in the newer Megapro.
Project Farm also tests the screwdriver as well. Worth mentioning, as it does go through certain more contextual applications. Knowledge is power
I believe that they licensed the patents but if I am not mistaken, the LTT has been revised internally. I don't believe Megapro has adopted those changes.
Once again, great tool review. Amazing how you can keep them straight and get tongue tied.
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great video, really enjoyed it :) love my LTT screwdriver, it is too good!
Thanks. I really love it too. There is a reason I now have two of them.
Got the megapro after seeing reviews on the LTT driver. I manage a restaurant so having a good ratcheting driver always on my bag can be a life saver. But I don't use it often. I'm perfectly happy with it.
It’s a pretty nice screwdriver. Love most things about it and the main things I like about the LTT are refined from that megapro
I have the Snap On Ratcheting screwdrivers that I purchased almost 25 years ago. One is black and one is orange. They have not let me down and have never been rebuilt. I have the Matco bright green ratcheting screwdriver. It has been rebuilt a few times and it is a POS. I have the Vessel Megadora set for JIS and they are exceptional and will work on regular Phillips screws.
Klein for the win for me. I do love Wera as well but for the price, nothing can beat Klein and that’s why they make up the majority of my collection.
They make a lot of solid options so depending on personal preference they have something that will work for most. At that price point, I would be hard pressed not to pick them against the others. If Vessel made a bit holding screwdriver that I felt about like I feel about their ball grips that might sway me but the fwd/rev selector on the one I featured here just isn't great.
@@TinkerWithTools yes, I love vessel as well. I just don’t ever reach for one when I need a ratcheting driver.
Awesome review! One thing that is a non-starter for me is proprietary bits. Many of these use proprietary bits and that to me disqualifies them. The Snap-On existed long before any of the others so I guess I’m trained to really love using it by now. Going to have to get the LTT though.
The snap on is one of the main screwdrivers that LTT went after when they were making theirs. There is a lot to like about the Snap On though.
The LTT is made in chynna with plastic parts in the ratcheting mechanism. Why anyone would pay $75 for a shoddily made chyneze screwdriver is beyond me.
I have a channel lock, ratcheting screwdriver, and I love it. That One should've been on the list as well
The channel lock is made by megapro. So in a way it was on the list.
@@TinkerWithTools OK did not realize that.
Megaprop makes screw drivers for a number of different manufacturers and that's pretty common place with other's on this list too. The Gedore silent ratcheting screwdriver is made for them by another company and sold under a number of other brands too.
I currently own a Williams, Megapro Automotive and a Vessel Ball Grip. My favorite is the Vessel. Initially disappointed with its backdrag
, I took it apart (yes, it's doable) and lubed it up with Superlube). Its backdrag now is incredibly low (Koken levels). I also "worked in" the yellow switch to make it easier to turn. I can do it easily with two fingers while working the ratchet. A pleasure to use. I ordered and returned the Anex version as I did not like the backdrag (and couldn't open it) and overall liked the feel and operation of the vessel (at least for my hands and fingers). Great reviews on here!
I appreciate you sharing your personal experience with them. Hadn't considered opening any of them up to improve them!
This was an excellent and well-organized video!
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I love the Wera and Snap On. The snap on is old school but the ratchet mechanism is fantastic. Like butter. The weras are great too and I love the handle ergonomics and bit locks.
Love the Klein 13 in 1
Just ordered one, as I prefer working with impact bits.
I got the Milwaukee Full-size & Stubby. I got the Klein 7-piece socket set which perfectly fits into both Milwaukee ratchets. Perfect combination.
Glad you have found something you like!
That Klein 11 in 1 is awesome, only wish it had the 7/16
Hey, very nice work! This overview starts with a compact format and then your editing helped to keep things moving along with no major sacrifice of useful content.
Also, are you becoming more comfortable on-camera or are you so much a ratcheting screwdriver geek that you really enjoyed shooting this segment? LOL
Either way, looks like you had fun.
Quick question: while testing the Kleins, did you try swapping their bits in other drivers? I ask b/c recently, some of their tools come with (apparently) proprietary bits.
i.e.: non-standard hex dimensions.
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It was a passion project for sure. Thank you.
As for the Klein, I haven't had any issues with the drivers that have 1" bits. Some of there double ended bits won't work in standard hex bit stuff.
Great to see so many ratcheting screwdrivers side by side!
I have a PB Swiss ratchet screwdriver 6510.R-30 with ten bits stored in its handle, so scores points there, although I do like their red grip.
I have the Rolgear "silent" ratchet which I believe they licence to other brands. Sometimes I use it.
Wera offer their 814 RA pistol grip ratcheting handle so have multiple styles covered.
I really like the Wera stubby ratchet - use it a lot
That Rolgear seems to be very similar if not identical to the gedore.
I like my Rolgear a lot except how the bit storage bites into your hand. Also I notice mine slips sometimes, like the ratchet just disengages… notice anything similar on the Gedore?
The Gedore that I have doesn't have any bit storage. So there might be different versions, but the rachet mechanism and the fact they're both silent seems like it can't just be purely coincidental.
I found my holy grail. It's a Hazet. Same as the Gedore but the bit holder is removable. It also has zero back drag with great bit storage.
Bit holding would've certainly helped my opinion of the Gedore but did you experience the mechanism slipping at all?
@@TinkerWithTools Not sure what you mean. Do you mean slipping out of ratcheting mode? If so no not at all. It's just about perfect. I think the Wera is way too sloppy.That now sits in my garage. I have 2 PB swiss. Like you stated built well but no bit storage is a no for me. I bought the one also with bit storage and just wasn't thrilled with it. It's in my car kit now. The Hazet for me checks all the boxes and turns into a medium stubby. It's actually weird at first using it without the ratcheting noise. I wasn't sure it was actually working but it works great for me. I also like the way they did the bit storage. I took out the pozi's and added Vessel JIS bits.
When trying to ratchet, mine will sometimes slip or skip the back ratchet and turn the tool in both directions. It's not all the time, but it's enough that when I hand it to someone to try out, they often will say something like "what did it do there?" when it works I like it but on the Gedore I have that has made me hesitant to try the other models of it.
@@TinkerWithTools Mine hasn't done that at all. It's kind of odd the first few times using it as you don't get any feedback which way it's ratcheting. I was changing out a belt on a stationary bike. I was laying on the floor lining up the belt guard. A couple screws were on the bottom and the screwdriver was too long. I was going to get a stubby when I remembered the long bit holder is removable. I took it off and put the bit in the handle and it worked perfectly. It's really 2 screwdrivers in one similar to the Vessels. I also have Vessel ball grips but not ratcheting. I have a Japanese domestic cordless Vessel that takes Japanese style bits. That is nice as well. I forgot what they are called but the shank is different than we use here.
Love mine! Can't fault it. Got Gedore but i kinda also wanted a locking bit option. So i jumped on Hazet as soon as i found out it has it. No slippage on mines whatsoever fortunately. Perhaps it is a QC issue at Oplast. Slovenian company that produces them.
I have the dewalt, ball grip vessel and anex, and also the OEM that rebranded by TONE. And my go to ratcheting screwdriver is the anex.
Main reason is the ergonomic, the anex ball grip is so comfortable in my hand. It also easy to turn the shaft with just your thumb and forefinger. So helpful when starting or ending the tightening/loosening.
Second reason, is the shaft thickness. It is as slim as the bit itself. Since I have a long(150mm) and slim Japanese bits(+2 bit, only 4mm in diameter), it's very useful when I try to get into tight spaces/small holes that needs precision and a good view.
But well, the 2nd reason also the turn off for many people. since you have to buy additional longer bits to fully utilize it. Since it has a deep bit holder, the standard 1 inch bit will sink into it. haha
Yeah, the ball grips are great for a lot of things and there is a lot to like about them, but if I could only pick one, I would have hard time making that the section. It doesn't come in handy for situations like you mentioned though.
The Klein 11-1 with bit drivers is most versatile one I’ve found and rugged, I use it in impact wrench as well flip shaft allows you to somewhat customize to your use, it my most used even though I have the pb Swiss and love feel and smooth action of it
Me too, I just found this and think its awesome, at least for my needs.
The only one I would add is the Rolgear. Similar to the other silent driver you had. I think the PB Swiss was left off of the backdrag graph.
Yeah I overlooked that on the graph. The backdrag was measurably higher than the other low back drag screwdrivers. Something like 350g or something like that.
Great vid. I have a Teng ratchet MDRQ908 and I have been wanting to replace it for a few years but it just keeps on going strong.
Have you like the Teng screwdriver?
I’ve got a husky ratcheting screwdriver I’ve had for probably 10 years now. The only complaint I’ve had with it is the quality of the factory bits, but those were easily replaced. . It’s got a comfortable handle, a nice ratcheting mechanism, solid bit storage and a good, strong magnet. I don’t think it’s ever left a bit in a screw. And that thing has been absolutely abused. 😂 It’s one of the tools I grab when I have to pack up some tools and go.
I had a husky one as well, don’t think that I got rid of it but I couldn’t find it for the video so who knows.
My goto at work is "Stanley Tools 68010 3 inch Multi-Bit Ratcheting Screwdriver, 10 Bits, Black/Yellow". When my coworkers ask to borrow a screwdriver I have it in my go bag and hand it to them. Never had any complaints. I recently grabbed the Craftsman dual drive CMHT68129. There is also a Stanley version and Kobalt version of the same driver. Its also pretty nice. The dual drive takes some getting used to but I am liking it.
I have tried the Kobalt double drive as you call it. Didn't mind it but at the end of the day, I didn't end up using it as much as I thought I would.
I was able to get my hands on the PB Swiss ratcheting driver WITH a bit holder. It's great but they are expensive and almost impossible to find. Took 6 months on back-order but its the best screwdriver I've ever owned. Zero movement with ratchet collar in middle position. Super impressive.
I’ve been considering buying that one lately. I do love the driver that I have but regardless of the quality at that price point it just felt there were more complete options.
But that zero movement in the middle position means tons of backdrag. The more movement there is, the less backdrag there is and vice versa. You can't have both little backdrag and little movement, that's just how ratcheting mechanisms work.
And well, in my opinion you buy a ratcheting driver for the ratcheting, so make this as good as possible and don't half-ass it just to use it as a fixed driver. Use a fixed driver then instead if that is what you want.
Using the dewalt for the last 5 years and it’s been great and the bits are all high quality.
I think it's a great budget option and there is a lot of it that I like, I just see other screwdrivers doing it a little bit (although at a higher cost).
You've got all but one I have - plus lots I don't - and I have too many. My favorite is the Vessel ball grip, but I can't say why really, as it's sort of annoying how you can turn the forward/reverse ring by accident, but I still use it more than any other. Husky makes a ratcheting driver that stores longer bits in the handle, and it's very heavy, but I like that when I need to bear down on things, and it's smoother than the felo (which is my real favorite for breaking things loose, or stripping screws).
I also have the Gedore, and I haven't noticed any slippage in that; maybe you got a bad one. I got it specifically for putting in small screws in things like hard drives, and it's always worked for me. I've used other roller drive screwdrivers, and I've had those slip when you really torque them, so I wouldn't use the Gedore for big wood screws, for instance.
I have owned a couple of husky’s in the past but couldn’t seem to find them for the video. Good budget option for sure.
Nice video. This is one of the tools I don't have in my tool bag.
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I would like to see the Hazet 810R-3, I have it for maintenance work and it's very useful.
It appears that the hazet is quite similar to the Gedore (and by extension the Rolgear). Is it a silent ratchet?
@@TinkerWithTools Yes, the Hazet is silent as well. I have the 810R-4. It's the same as the other one mentioned above, just some different bits.
Have the work pro ratcheting screwdriver works great love that thing.
I considered that one. I have the work pro knives and they are decent too.
Milwaukee wasn’t done justice, I just picked up a 14in1 ratcheting screw driver with impact ready magnetic tip bits, in handle storage with bit holders,a smooth ratching system with a a nice padded grip and it came with a extension bar all for under 20$
I’ll admit that I don’t personally own the newest ratcheting screwdriver but I do own the newer non ratcheting version. In my example and in others that tried in store I found a few issues that for me were reasons not to buy it. The bit holder on mine and one other at the store that I checked out had the lid come off on the bit compartment multiple times. The extension piece that acts as the shaft has little to no retention with the handle. For $20 bucks there is decent bit selection but at that price but I would rather get one of the Klein at the price point.
@@TinkerWithTools I personally haven’t had any issues with the end cap coming loose, but yeah the extension rods not the greatest as far as how well it holds in place but for 19$ and some change I’m happy with it, I also like it cause there all impact ready so I can and have used em with my Milwaukee drill.i also just went to Home Depot and picked it up out of convenience rather than visiting a more industrial veered company like Klein or wera.
@@kielerrivera6567 the cap thing was maddening. And just to be clear the idea of all that they included in the screwdriver is great. I just felt those few things could have been better. And honesty using it for as an extension for the impact wouldn’t be terrible because the rest of it works fine.
On the bright side, that snap-on can double as a musical instrument. LOL
Seriously! I hadn’t considered the “doubles as a musical instrument” category. Snap on for the win!
Yeap. That's what you do when you walk around with it.
PB Swiss make the best ratcheting mechanism hands down IMO. One thing you don't mention in the video is how solid the screwdrivers are when in locked mode, the PB Swiss literally feels like a standard fixed screwdriver, there's zero play, it's very impressive. Also they of course do versions with 10 bits in the handle. Snap On bit storage isn't pretty but it is functional, and they're proven to last forever with a great warranty. I'd say those two were underrated in the comparison, there's a reason they charge the big money! LTT on the other hand is a tad overrated in my opinion, no doubt it's a good option but I'd be interested to see how they're holding up in 5-10 years.
The durability question is a fair point. I have had mine now for 18+ months and other than some color wearing off on the bits, it's still working like day one. If I learned anything from this comparison it's that this is a highly personal choice. My goal in the video was to present a wide range of comparison points and then let you viewers decide what works for them. All the points you made about PB Swiss and Snap-on are fair and accurate, but for some (like myself) the bit storage on the snap on will bother others. For me it comes down to the price point they are at, and that feature feeling like an afterthought at a price point that was the most premium in this group.
@@TinkerWithTools Yea I can see what you mean, personally I'd like the Snap On to have nicer bit storage. However I also think it's part of the brand ethos to make tools that last a lifetime, and I can see from that perspective why a simple container style is much less likely to have issues than something that folds out of the handle. As you say, a personal choice, but I personally doubt it was an afterthought by Snap On.
I brought husky and kobalt ratcheting screwdrivers but now love the power screw drivers more
I have some of those as well. There are times I prefer them and other times where I grab the ratcheting.
Enjoyable video. Nicely done.
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I've had my Snap On since the early 90's and it's still good to go lol, I have others (Wera, Wiha, Craftsman) but always end up back with old faithful...
The Snap has a lot of things that I like about it and the long term proven durability is one of the main reasons to choose them.
That OEM tools one is also in a non pistol grip too. So many brands sell one of these the world over … even Blue Point
You are right. This model and the non pistol grip is sold by at least 5-10 companies that I have seen. The one that had been recommended to me was the Bahco but the price and availability made this model a better option.
Megapro does 90% of the LTL and MAC, for half the price. For me, I like that ratio.
Plus, I find it well built, solid. I also like the double end bits.
It’s a great screwdriver. If you want to spend a little less I think that it’s the option to go with for sure.
Can never have too many ratcheting screwdrivers.
My wife has a different opinion.
A person who needs a racheting screwdriver with impact-ready bits has hand strength and agility far beyond mine. 😊 That said, I understand the convenience of being able to use impactor bits in your impact wrench and screw driver.
Yeah it’s more that convenience factor than anything.
@@TinkerWithTools I have a Klein 13-1 arriving today.I prefer impact bits, and have one of virtually every type and size. .The litlle short bits annoy me.
I have three of the hard grip snap on’s love them also have two of their carry cases with the bit storage
That’s a lot of Snap-On. I really do like most things about the screwdriver. It just has a few things that drive me nuts.
@@TinkerWithTools Wait.. it drives nuts too?! That's a bonus!
Tip: Use a 1/4" ratchet with screwdriver handle and 1/4" bit on top. Less wear on the wrist.
If you really have to get one of these, search for one which has long bits on the tip to avoid future clearance issues.
I love my LTT. I've had it for about a year. It's the best I've ever tried. Does everything I need from it. Anything heavier duty I'll usually just grab my impact driver anyway. Just wish I could find a way to fit 12 makita bits inside. You can only fit 6 standard size bits.
Yeah it’s one of the compromises they made in design but I will say that at least they allow for the use of standard bits. I much prefer that over proprietary bits that make it so you can’t.
Didn't know that Vessel had a bit holder ratcheting version of their 2200 series. I've been using the ratcheting phillips one, patiently waiting for Vessel to release other attachments like robertson, torx, or nut drivers. But it doesn't look like they'll ever do that. I used your link to buy the Vessel bit holder driver and subscribed.
Yeah I have liked that bit holder. I almost wish they made a medium length version too. And I appreciate the support.
The Doyle ratcheting Screwdriver is basically a Klein (old school) clone. It is $15 (when not on sale) and works really well. Had mine for about a year and love it.
If people like the OG Klein, they’ll like this one.
That was my main reason for not including the Doyle was simply that it was a clone. I don't prefer that style at this point but my Klein served me well for several years and can take a real beating.
Og ?
@@brendangriffin1791 the first version of it.
It really isn’t that hard to figure out what I meant.
Your Gedore must be faulty. I have 2 and they have zero drag and have never slipped. Doc also says they have "almost" no drag, but actually they have no drag whatsoever, the clutch rollers disengage completely from the shaft, and if they are not touching they can't drag on anything. What's the value you measured? From the graph it looks like about 20g.
Also worth mentioning, it is very easy to open and clean the mechanism on the Gedore (and others like it). Yours might simply have some dirt in there.
I'm not sure if you mentioned this, but some models turn the ratcheting selector in the direction of screwing and some turn in the reverse direction. I prefer turning the selector in the same direction that I'll be using.
I'll have to look into cleaning it. As for the graph, it's a spring scale that measures in grams of force applied while turning.
And yes, as for the selectors it's about half and half. I think that will mostly come down to personal preference. I find that if I am using one enough, it starts to become more natural regardless of thew way it operates.
@@TinkerWithTools Yeah, I know how the spring scale works, but I was curious how much the Gedore actually measured in grams.
Never heard anyone say they preferred the inverted selector type, but I guess it's possible...
Yes, this one measures grams. and when it comes to these ratcheting screwdrivers...there is someone who prefers just about every odd or unique option that is out there.
@@TinkerWithTools what? I'm just asking how much it measured. 15g? 20? 1g? 25g?
Sorry, I misread the question. The gedore was basically nothing. It causes the needle to vibrate when it's not slipping but it's virtually zero. With the slipping it jumps up occasionally over some of the other ultra low back drag models but without that it would be the champ.
If you're looking at Vessel l, I strongly suggest trying their fixed-blade screwdrivers. They seem overpriced compared to their ratcheting options, they're excellent to use. Well-balanced, strong knurling like the LTT driver, and just the right amout of weight for the diameter of the knurling, so they spin very nicely for running fasteners in or out when loose.
I have tried them and they are wonderful. I have both some ball grip, the megadora, some wood handled options. Really nice stuff!
Great job, so many but you should check out the Williams brand very similar to snap on and much cheaper
I considered getting the Williams instead of the snap-on but I prefer the knurling on the shaft to the smooth shaft, so I went for the snap-on. I meant to mention that you could get the Williams at a cheaper price but it didn't make the final edit. I think some of the things that I don't like about the snap-on (bit storage for example) are more forgivable at a Williams price than a snap-on price.
I love the LTT screwdriver, the only flaw is the grip handle is for low torque functions and also the tip bit holder is on a weak side, I already broke mine but had to purchase another one because I like it.
So just trying to understand. Did the bit break or the driver itself?
The driver is the one that broke, I have used snap on and other tools in the past and never broken of a screwdriver before, the actual screwdriver shaft is the weak point on this LTT screwdriver.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
The Amazon basics one I used needs both hands to operate else it works as normal Screwdriver. You need to hold the shaft with one hand then turn the handle with the other
I haven't been impressed with the one that got. Rattles an awful lot!
Great video. Ratcheting screwdrivers are among my favorite tools. My current favorites are the wera 816 ra, williams wrs-1 and wrst4. The williams drivers are worth looking into; snap-on quality (same manufacturer), budget prices. The megapro automotive is really nice too. The pb swiss is on my list to try, along with the felo. I'd try out the ltt driver too if it stored standard bits.I don't really care about bit storage since all my drivers are kept with the icon mini ratchet set, nor does backdrag have any influence on how good a driver is. Honestly I never even heard of the term before lTT made a fuss about it. In real world use, it's just not a factor. Same goes for wobble. In real world use, it's just not an issue. The most important factors are comfort, reliability, shaft length and magnet strength (though I do prefer the drivers with locking holders). How many teeth in the ratchet and loudness isn't a huge factor as long as they're reliable. I have an old rubbermaid ratcheting driver I bought from walmart some years ago and it has like 10 teeth, but the grip is comfortable and it's been a workhorse before I invested in more expensive drivers.
I talked about the Williams in the unedited version but it got cut from being talked about. Ultimately I ended up going for the Snap-on because of the knurling on the shaft. I loved that on the LTT so I ended up going for the snap-on to try that since they are essentially the same otherwise.
Backdrag and wobble may not matter to everyone but depending on the work that you do, it can make a difference. LTT comes from the world of screwdrivers and small electronics and on that type of fastener, I do think it matters more.
At the end of all of this, each person will value different qualities of each of the drivers. While I stand by my recommendations, I also wanted to offer enough perspective or information to allow others to make decision on what matters to them as well.
Backdrag is extremely important for this kind of a tool imho
@@TinkerWithTools I respect that, I was giving my own experience as well. In regards to working on small electronics and things of that nature, I've always found the best drivers for that are simple, fixed blade drivers. I've built a ton of PCs (another expensive hobby of mine) using a simple #2 phillips driver. IMHO, a ratcheting driver isn't any more useful for that kind of work. A ratcheting driver is more of a keep in the "frequently used" tool kits. I keep one in the drawer at my desk, one in my around the house tool bag and one somewhere near the kitchen. For fixed drivers, I like wera's handles, but want to try wiha, felo and pb siss too.
@@riba2233 I've just never found it to be a factor in everyday use. With all the ratcheting drivers I've used, including some cheap and wnat many consider to be "junky" drivers, they all handled the jobs fine. This includes everyday, around the house tasks like changing wall/switch plates, woodworking (cabinet hardware), small electronics work, PC building, etc. Like I said, I never even heard of the term before the LTT driver, then suddenly everyone is testing for it. I just don't see it as something important in a ratcheting driver.
@@NWGR it is crucial for small screws, it makes all the difference if you can start ratcheting right away imho
Zebra by Würth and surprised you didn’t include anything from Stanley Tools. Zebra is unique as it can convert to pistol grip, has in built LED and the shaft is interchangeable from short to long and 1/4" drive sockets.
I'll have to check out the Zebra. As for Stanley, the main reason for not including is just that it's not that commonly sold in stores around me any more. I think Stanley black and decker has relegated the brands as an afterthought more and more unless you are talking about their tape measures... at least where I live.
Williams...although you have the snap on...the williams which is nearly the same for 30 bucks...In my opinion is very close to the best for the money...
I have since purchased the Williams and I agree with you. I still don't love the bit storage compared to some other options out there but at $38 (what I paid) it's a whole lot less egregious to me. I miss the knurling on the shaft but overall it's 98% what the snap-on is for me.
The Williams (Snap-on) version is 1/3 the price. Made in USA, comes with snap-on bits.
You missed 2:
Titan 12217
Williams JHWWRS
@@jettschenker I’ll have to check out the titan. I have since purchased the Williams and while I like the snap on more when you factor in price it’s seems like a no brainer to go with the Williams.
Nice video, I'm a new subscriber, but I got a question: Why do your hands look bleached?
First, thanks for subscribing. Second, it’s a skin pigment condition called vitiligo. Parts of my skin have lost the pigment while the rest of hand still will tan in the sun.
I love my MegaPro Automotive. Low back drag, and it has as good grip for heavier applications than the LTT which is really an expensive copy, IMO. The automotive also uses standard 1/4" drive bits, whereas all other MegaPro models use double ended bits with detent pin retention . Standard 1/4 in drive provide for a wider variety of tip styles and lengths as well as nut drivers. They're also easier to replace.
The Mac looks nice, but it's too pricey for me. Same goes for the PB Swiss, but that one was missing the Back Drag data. I would have thought it would score well enough to be in the top tier, no???
The Felo looks interesting for getting at odd angles. It's on my consideration list.
The DeWalt looks like a great tool for under $20. Of the models shown I think it would be the budget pick.
Grats on 10K subs.
The LTT is essentially a refined copy in my book from the mega pro. They took other things that they liked from other screwdrivers (like the shaft from the Snap-on) and made a better screwdriver. The mega pro for me, is 90% of what the LTT is but at half the cost.
The PB Swiss omission is a mistake on my part, but it is not low on the back drag. The top performers all hovered about 60-70g where the PB Swiss averaged about 330g. So it's noticeably heavier. Doesn't make a bad screwdriver just won't excel at tasks where that is important.
And thank you!
@@TinkerWithTools You're welcome. Well deserved with more to come, I'm sure.
Interesting back drag info on the PB Swiss. I would have thought an $80 screwdriver would be a bit more refined.
It’s hard to describe. It feels superior in terms of build quality to every other screwdriver. Backdrag just wasn’t there focus. Doesn’t make it a bad screwdriver just suited better for certain types of work than others.
Calling the LTT a better screwdriver? The LTT has plastic parts in the ratchet mechanism, it won't last and will Linus be around to warranty it when it breaks years down the road? The LTT is made in chynna, should sell for around $20 not the $75 it does sell for. It has a fragile bit holder known to break right out of the box, won't last and isn't covered under their warranty. Meanwhile, you can find hundreds if not thousands of posts from people who have owned and used the Snap On for 20-30 years or more without issue. The Snap On is a tool you can use for a lifetime and hand down to your kids and Snap On will be around to continue to offer warranty rebuild kits in the decades to come, something that LTT doesn't offer at all.@@TinkerWithTools
I wasn't shocked by how many there are, But I am always shocked at how way over priced Snap On are and how many people get suckered into buying them.
It's a nice tool that can be rebuilt and serviced... so I think there is value to what they offer, but I think that there are a few items that just knock it down a little, especially considering the price.
U can’t afford it that’s why. The warranty is the best
@@roninbushito
You say this with no idea of how much money I make. I don't need a warranty if I can buy 5 of the same tool of a comparable quality. I just think they are over priced. I don't need Snap-on to feel like a man.
I think grip style is a personal preference that was not given enough attention
that's a fair point.
I have 6 of the snap=on hard-handle drivers. I do not care at all about the rattling bits. I can fit 8 in the handle. It has the best handle in the industry. It has some of the lowest back drag, is completely rebuildable, is sooth as butter. It may be expensive but it is the best.
I know this will sound odd coming from a guy who has 25+ ratcheting screwdrivers but have you just acquired 6 over the years or do they each have their place that you use them.
@@TinkerWithTools I have 2 standard-length ones. I have 2 because one failed, and Snap-on sent me a new one instead of a rebuild kit (it is 20 years old). I found a NOS rebuild kit on eBay and rebuilt it myself. I have 2 stubby drivers; I had lost one, so I got another and eventually found the 1st one a year later. I have an extended length (15-inch shaft I think) and a high torque angled handle. I do love them. I also have the LTT driver but find it to be light-duty. The focus on low back drag compromised the strength of the ratchet. It's suitable for computers and home projects but not as a mechanic driver. It is really only $35 less than a snap-on. When you're spending $50, another $35 for a (IMO) much better driver is worth it.
I appreciate you sharing the specifics. And I can see your point about the LTT being ill-suited for your application. in fairness, I am certainly not a mechanic and can see that different drivers will rise to the top given more specific application like that. I think the nice thing is that that there are a lot of nice options out there. And don't get me wrong, I do like the snap-on. Still using it to this day and I have since purchased the Williams to try as well.
@@TinkerWithTools Williams is my jam actually. They are exactly the same as snap-on at half the cost. As a matter of fact I have two sets of Williams hard handle screwdrivers because they are less than one snap-on screwdriver and are exactly the same. I am lucky enough to have a Williams dealer 7 mi away that does warranty exchanges right there in their store. The ratchets leave a little to be desired as they're not really for automotive use however.
Backdrag is the most important feature wirh this tool. If its too high the tool simply becomes not fit for purpose. Many fall into this category.
I agree that it's an important factor in what I consider but it's not the only thing for me.
I have been trying to get my hands on the Xiaomi Wiha Ratcheting, but I heard negative reviews about it. I opted for the Xiaomi version. Should be getting it soon to see how good it is, especially home from a company that makes phones and other electronics.
The lack of a ratcheting wiha screwdriver to me has always been strange. I love their traditional screwdrivers and have always wanted one. I held off buying the Xiaomi when it was more readily available and now it’s less readily available. It didn’t even coming up in the searches I didn’t in the months leading up to this video.
With all that said, you will have to let me know what you think about it.
@@TinkerWithTools Just got it. I am going to be honest with you why I got this over the Wiha because I am not a fan of the design where you pop the bit storage system. If you own one long enough and I don't care how good you take care of the tools, the tabs that release the bit storage are going to wear out over time. Hopefully you know what I am talking about. It's cool and all, but it also feels cheap at the same time. The Xiaomi's bit storage is not any better as it's a push and pop mechanism to release itself; it's held by little prongs that pinches/clamps the bit storage at a point that's engaged by pushing against it. It has low back track as you can freely spin the ratchet. All in all, this feels like a tool that is meant to be used on electronics. I suppose the bits that came with it are Wiha?
I do know what you are talking about. I dropped my Wiha on the sidewalk one time and while it still works most of the time, it caused issues. It's shame because other than that weak point, I think it's an awesome screwdriver.
PB Swiss replaced the Wera which started skipping within a year. Have an older Milwaukee ratching driver which is now the loaner. Although the Snap On keeps the bits loose, it's actually fast to switch bits. The Annex ball handle with a 6 inch Dewalt extension (DWA6HLDFT) sounds like a great combo. Think I'll give that a go...
I can't endorse the loose bit method of the snap-on but apparently enough people fine with it because it has been that way for a long time.
@@TinkerWithTools I didn't mind it but it's been over a decade. The PB Swiss Insider Pro with the 10 bit magazine could be the ultimate ratcheting screwdriver...
I almost bought that one instead.
@@TinkerWithTools Me too but it seemed always sold out at the time (year+ ?). Just a got Railer 20 hole recently. Nice.
Yeah it didn’t pop up in the months leading up to this video and then it’s there front and center now.
PB Swiss for the win !
It's a great screwdriver, just doesn't rise quite to the top for me. But that is the great thing about having a bunch or really good options.
Channellock has a screwdriver which is the same as the megapro one but in a different color
Correct. in my experience it's typically more money than the megapro.
I have the megapro. Its very well made, smooth action, and great feel when you pull it out to get a bit out.
The klein is similiar but feels rougher and not as smooth when you pull out to get the bits. The megapro is made in canada. The klein im not sure.
The megapro definitely is the value + pick for me. What I mean by that is with it you are getting 90% of the feel of the more pricey screwdrivers but it's still a nice premium over basic more entry level screwdrivers. It's a great pick!
Here is something you didn't talk about. Klein doesn't offer a spare bit set for the 15 in 1 that I know of . Megapro does & the megapro automotive uses the same bits as the 15 in 1 for 14 $
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I strongly prefer screwdrivers that use standard bits simply because it makes them so easily replaceable. But you are right that if they don't use that, then offering low cost replacements is a good alternative.
Why am I watching a twenty minute screwdriver video? I'm nuts.
You missed probably the best budget one.
Husky 12 in 1 ratcheting. Goes on sale for about 17 bucks CAD all the time. Cant really beat it.
Are you talking about the quick load version?
@@TinkerWithTools No. The ones that's the same style bit holding as the milwaukee. Except the ratchet on it is 100x better.
I had the husky continuous drive version at one point but I couldn’t find it for the video.
what about the ratchet ball screwdriver?
Are you referring to something other than the Vessel ball grip ratcheting screwdrivers that are included in the comparison?
why do you not recommend the ball detent bits on the mega pro
It's not that there is anything inheritantly wrong with them, but I prefer the standard bits for 2 reasons. 1) having the standard bits makes them easily replaceable. 2) having it accept standard bits means that I could use another bit in there should I come across an odd fastener that I need to use. So out of the box, there is nothing wrong with them but at the same price point, having the additional versatility and future replacement potential takes the win for me. The same could be said for some of the Klein drivers.
@@TinkerWithTools thanks for the reply, appreciate your insight
PB Swiss has the strongest magnet of all of them. Not sure how you missed that..
I didn’t measure or test magnet strength more just mentioned but retention in general. I could have mentioned PB Swiss, but when you have 25 in front of you not every single one will be mentioned just because of the time it would take.
I plan on doing follow up shorts for each of the more popular screwdrivers in the coming weeks. You will end up with more specific info in those.
I hear your intro song in my sleep
Hopefully that's not too bad of thing???
WORKPRO 12-in-1 Ratcheting Multi-Bit Screwdriver Set, Quick-load Mechanism Screwdriver with Double End Bits in Handle
I learned years ago, I only purchase tools I can return (30 days). I use Hazet and Doyle ratchets but also like some of the Klien's. I have a Wera Tool Check but do not like how those ratchets or 816 feels n my hand. Lastly i really dislike stubbys.
Stubby screwdrivers have their place for me but I prefer a more standard size for most things. Having a return window is nice. That’s one reason why I sometimes pay a few dollars for for an easy return process.
How about Williams JHWWRS-1
I plan on trying the Williams but didn’t have the budget at the time. From what I have hear the main difference between that and the snap on is cost and the lack of nurling on the handle so I imagine most of my same comments would remain but when the tool price decreases the perceived value increases.
I think Wiha also has some nice drivers but I would want to see how you would rank Xiaomi screwdriver. Xiaomi is a chinese brand that did a collaboration with wiha that sold like hot cakes. Now xiaomi made alone, a 16 in 1 I think and it's like $20. The Ratcheting mechanism is very smooth. The only downside for me are the double sided bits.
I have considered getting the Xiaomi but I didn't grab it when it was readily available and now it's just not as easy to buy from big reputable retailers. I wish Wiha would make a ratching version of their 26-in-1 bit driver. I love that thing.
Dude i love your channel man, you cover a variety of tools. I watched an electrician and his so called friend, those guys are God awful negative haters, the non talented one thinks he is God.
Thanks. I tend to prefer to have a positive take on most tools. I may not like every tool but that doesn’t make it bad.
Not a huge fan of the shape of the PB Swiss handles, the material is great but the shape leaves something to be desired.
I don't care for all of their stuff, but this one is pretty nice. I have some smaller dedicated Phillips and slotted drivers and I don't care for how small the handle is on those versions.
Any ratcheting screwdrivers that you can set the amount of turn before it stops? Like if you set it to 1/4 or 1/8 of a turn it won't go past in either direction.
Not that I am aware of. What would be the application for that?
@@TinkerWithTools For me, it would be for repairing musical instruments. I've seen it used on a video, reached out to the creator of the video but he never got back to me
Do you remember the video? I would be intrigued to see it.
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To me it just looks like a t handle screwdriver. I don’t think it is limiting his rotation at all.
Not liking the Gedore…feels like you need to get the right gear for the ratchet to work exactly how you want…lock position got a big play or slop and sometimes doesn’t engage properly to lock position too….nice that doesn’t make a noise though.
Yeah, I don't find myself using it much.
I'm a huge fan of ratcheting screwdrivers but the snap on annoys me so much more than it should. Such a premium price for a premium brand and they did it the most lazy way possible. "Just dump all the bits in the handle and pour them out when you need to swap bits." Definitely expect a lot better from them
I agree with you. I think for me it’s mostly that storage at that price point. On something like the Williams that I have since purchased it makes more sense at a 38 dollar price point.
Snap on soft grip ratcheting screwdriver is the best one. Not a fan of the hard handle.
I considers trying that one also. I actually have grown to like the hard handle more than I thought I would.
@@TinkerWithTools the tri lobe designing of the soft grip handle is just so much more comfortable for my hand.
Also, I do wish the snap ons had a better bit organization, but I tend to grab bits from a master bit set anyway.
What about Craftsman? Surprised not to see it on the list.
I have owned one like the craftsman before but it’s been gifted to someone else at this point. I was never going to be able to buy them all but if you own that one, please share your experience.
@@TinkerWithTools Unfortunately, I just ordered it and am waiting for it to arrive. Thought about Klein but couldn’t get past the proprietary bits. Also looked at the MegaPro Automotive but the craftsman went on sale so I snagged it.
Which craftsman model did you order? Next time I am at Lowe’s I’ll take a look at it and provide my thoughts.
As for the Klein, the 13 in one impact ready comes with proprietary but in the handle but I found it could also accept other companies bits. Storing them would cut down on storage if you went away from double sided but at least it wasn’t completely propreitary.
@@TinkerWithTools Thanks, that would be great. I got the 26 piece set. Model # CMHT68001.
Just looking at it online I think you got a decent tool. The bit selection is pretty good. I would opt for one that has on tool bit storage over this style but it will likely function a lot like the other ratcheting screwdrivers from the Stanley Black and Decker corporate umbrella. The DEWALT one I test was a decent value and okay performer. I just wondered how it would hold up to heavy use and abuse.
I would have liked to see a wooden handle screw driver.
Do you know of a ratcheting wood handled screwdriver?
@@TinkerWithTools I don’t think I ever seen one
Well that’s why it wasn’t included then. If I ever do a video on standard screwdrivers there are some that I would likely include.
Facom PROTWIST 3 in 1 Ratchet Screwdriver 1/4" (Model ATCL.1PB)
Facom PROTWIST 3 in 1 Dual Nut Ratchet Screwdriver 1/4" (Model ATCL.3)
i believe these are near identical to the USAG brand that another viewer has recommended.
O boy, that's a lot of ratchets >
It really is.
Snap-on basic hard handle without gimmicks is the best overall and hence the most common in aviation industry. It can take decades of heavy use as long as you just keep replacing the ratched parts as they wear out.
Usag 333K/S8 ratcheting screwdriver and t handle all in one bits storage.and built-in stompy screwdriver
It has been mentioned a time or two and I have been thinking of buying it. The shipping where I have found it has been the main deterrent so far. Where did you buy yours?
@@TinkerWithTools I brought it in apaseal in newry Northern Ireland
Yeah the shipping I was seeing today was almost as much as the tool itself.
Holy flying bat turds Batman that's a lot of screwdrivers
Yeah, you should see the look on people's face when you ask them to try out a "few" screwdrivers and then you open a bag with 25.