What Reviewers Aren’t Telling You About Apple Vision Pro
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- I’ve been a VR-enthusiast for a decade-here’s everything others missed about Apple Vision Pro.
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Join us as we answer your Apple Vision Pro questions: from the Micro OLED panels, to pancake flaring, passthrough quality, batteries, their voltages, etc., EyeSight, AirPods Pro 2 lossless support, and a whole lot more we didn’t feel viewers fully touched on.
0:00 Not Your Average Vision Pro Video!
0:15 DISPLAYS
1:07 AVP’s PPD is not quite “retina”
4:02 3D content is INCREDIBLE
5:12 Pancake glare is a real problem
6:03 FOV is bad, but kinda okay?
7:09 Passthrough is SUPER overrated
7:43 Technically amazing, yes
8:33 But just not good enough
9:47 I took an eye exam
11:04 Vision Pro is better at VR than AR
12:16 BATTERY
12:45 Let’s learn about batteries, ok?
14:19 AVP’s battery is real weird
16:01 Why not USB-C? Voltage and compromise!
17:22 Hot take: AVP’s battery is a good design
18:20 No data is stupid, though
19:09 RIP
19:13 STRAPS
20:12 Counterbalancing is ill-informed. DISTRIBUTE instead!
20:55 Every single VR headset offers rigid straps
21:53 AUDIO
21:56 AirPods Max?
22:03 AVP’s speakers are just… fine
22:40 Lossless w/ AirPods Pro 2 USB-C
23:43 Latency w/ AirPods Pro 2 USB-C
24:21 EYESIGHT
25:05 It was made for… erm, me
25:37 They seem afraid to show it
25:57 First thing to go? I dunno…
26:52 Hardware? Done. Software? Oh boyyyy. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Most tech channels are a waste of time, you can usually guess at everything they'll bring up. But I always appreciate that you dive deeper Quinn. You're a much more thorough journalist in this area than most.
I agree, nowadays I don’t watch almost all “tech channels” which are just marketers seemingly unaware that all they are is essentially free advertisement & not a said, “reviewer.”
Don’t choose wrong!! 🫣 🤪@@mopnem
true, the release of vision pro showed who are actually just a marketer disguised as so called reviewers.
this
"I know you've seen a million Vision Pro videos already but this one is different" YES, every product video from you is different and amazing compared to the others, I love to wait for your videos of any device, you really make a difference in the million videos here, thank you!
Agree, I was waiting for this truly critical analysis. Thank you
Someone who will actually give an honest review, refreshing.
Literally what I was thinking, snazzy labs videos are on a different level
It's my first video of his, but it annoyed me in the beginning that he says it's not pixel density on the screen but pixel per degree, and then says compares it to screens or phones, without telling us whether it actually has more or less pixels per degree than other headsets. Literally the only piece of information that would have been useful there
5:03 Why have they rounded the corners off the media display? Is that an option you can turn off?
Counterpoint to the weird battery voltage justification, from an electronics engineer: the 15V USB-C step could've achieved everything Apple wanted in terms of power delivery, with very little VRM modification. When you have hardware development control like they do, accepting 45W instead of 40W is essentially turning a dial.
I was wondering the same thing when he showed the USB-C standard voltages. 13 vs 15 is nothing. I don't get why that wasn't mentioned. Then they could have just made it thunderbolt compatible through the same port and now it has vastly more capability.
USB-C still doesn't lock, so it isn't an option for this use case anyway.
I wonder if the microOLED displays or some other hardware component on the headset use 13V natively so it would allow them to reduce the total number of power rails and vrms they need on the headset itself. maybe not but thats the only reason I can think of that they would use a really uncommon voltage like that. if they used 15V then they would have to also generate the 13V onboard which would be additional components and power drain.
@@mypdf I frequently knock my phone off my desk and catch it by the USB-C wire; I think it could have had the same locking connector on the headset side, but had USB-C on the battery side, to allow the headset to be powered by other sources.
@@jacksontintYou're completely correct.
I just don't personally believe there's sufficient amperage or efficiency to run a 13V output directly to 13V native input; it's more likely that they're already stepping it down into a bunch of smaller voltages and just using 13V because it matched their efficiency targets.
I suspect they were planning to develop this proprietary connector from day 1.
I like Apple products just like Quinn does, but there is no one on TH-cam who I can count on to deliver an objective technical review like Quinn. This review is a perfect example of his fair and thorough reviews. I’ve watched a dozen Vision Pro reviews, and I learned more about the product from this video. Awesome job.
sorry to dissapoint you, but this review, through as it is, is pretty opinionated and biased, and based on a lot of assumptions, some of which is objectively wrong
Agreed. First review I've seen where it feels honest, and he's tried to use it genuinely in his workflow and leisure activities to give a proper overview. Even other reviewers I like such as MKBHD have just heaped praise on something that in a year about they probably will barely use unless a new app that looks interesting comes along for it, which I doubt because it's such a niche product.
@@samsonsliteye 😂 Reviews by their very nature are opinionated and biased, regardless of how objective the reviewer is attempting to be.
@@samsonsliteye it is still the best review I've seen of this product.
This is exactly why I subscribe to you, Quinn. You brought up SO MANY points that I haven't heard from any other reviewer, and I've watched A LOT of Vision Pro reviews lol. Videos like this are why you are not "just another tech reviewer". You bring something unique and more insightful to us. Thank you for that!
1:30 seconds in and you already gave much more useful information than 90% of reviewers do
whats with dissing other reviewers?
you like this kind of review, good for you!
i dont find anything wrong with the other reviews out there...
@@samsonsliteyeNo, it’s worth shitting on other reviewers because this channel routinely exposes how bad they are. Ofc the extremely small top good ones aren’t who we’re referring to
You are only reviewer I've seen who understands that the mAh rating alone of a battery DOES NOT EQUAL ITS ENERGY CAPACITY! Thank you for vindicating me in this small way Quinn.
Finally! I have been eagerly awaiting for this video since the penultimate Saturday for 2 weeks!
Woahhh thanks!
@@snazzy I've been anticipating your thoughts as well! I love that you always have so much to add that other reviewers don't mention. The eye test and simulated FOV in this video were both genius.
The eye test also perfectly debunks and breaks down all the viral driving myths and theories, and how even if the UI were made to not be at all distracting, it would still be highly illegal and dangerous because of way insufficient far eyesight and overexposed bright highlights and underexposed dark highlights. @@Lunyaaaa
That is so funny because when I used the Vision Pro for the first time, I began to question my eye sight. But I’m glad it’s just the effect of the pass through cameras.
The eye examine is actually very practical impression! Great job
Thank you for an honest, no-shill take on the avp. They are very rare on TH-cam.
Also, while you were talking about eyes and vision quality: A squint-to-zoom feature would be super awesome in this headset.
GREAT idea!
Squinting is an excellent way to encourage wrinkles, so that might be less popular with anyone who cares about stuff like that 😂
@@garydiamondguitarist Also when you squint too much during your lifetime it will stop working, it happened to me.
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True, but come to think of it, just wearing the AVP itself really tends to press down on the upper cheeks and create (and/or accentuate) nasolabial folds. I’ve noticed them on almost every person wearing the AVP on TH-cam, regardless of age. Maybe no biggie if you’re only a casual user. But for people using it daily, hours at a time…that’s like money in the bank for your favorite plastic surgeon.
You were the first reviewer to explain the battery capacity thing. It hurt so much watching other reviewers only mentioning the mAh and comparing it to smart phone batteries. I wondered if they all had skipped physics class or something.
Lol these click baiters didn't even who's what physics is... It's sad really. I always research on my own . Apple hates Nbecause he tells the truth
When Quinn pulled out the whiteboard I couldn't help but feeling like I was back in a high school classroom, giggling every time he said WATT LOAD 🤣
You know it's serious when people start writing with pens in a video about a very expensive electronic device.
First real review so far, he took the time to study the details of the device, every other reviewer just posted “first impressions” and called it a review
Yep most reviews including Marques were fixated on the initial wow factor, which is a) easier to get when you haven't paid for the product and b) quickly fades, either way.
@@garydiamondguitaristYeah but Marques is one of the first to review things & it’s always quality just not as detailed but then again, when you’re one of the firsts it’s understandable.
Finally! First one explaining difference between mAh on different voltages. 🎉
*I appreciate a non 'puff-piece' review!* *Thank you.*
I have a feeling you are one of the media people that really do understand the vision (haha) of Apple, while also having the skills to review the products correctly
@Snazzy Labs haven’t said it enough, but I really appreciate you sir. The thorough nature with which you research and review, showing the full chess board and perspective of every subject, the deep dive into the underlying details of technology, and the balanced nature with which you communicate your opinion.
Even when I disagree with you, I respect your opinion. Thanks for the hard work, the effort, and the energy from all these years, it’s really appreciated.
Thanks so much for the kind words!
I love the more in-depth reviews and technical analysis by Quinn. Whenever I watch other peoples' reviews, I always get the sense that there are a lot of missing details since most of those people just go over surface level experiences and marketing bullet points. Keep doing what you do, Quinn! This was an excellent video.
Technical, not rushed, creative and entertaining. When talking about niche tech, you’re the king of this type of content. Brilliant piece.
Jeezy creezy! This was a fantastic breakdown. I am always amazed at how hard you go on your research. I am envious and thankful. I also want that Fusion Dock.
Best Vision Pro video by far. Super honest and legitimately not what anyone else is saying from a real VR enthusiast.
Love it!
To make an “echo chamber” review takes a couple of days. Quinn takes his time, but when he delivers no information is unverified, no new tech is left without an explanation. Great stuff!!
This is the review I've been waiting for. Thank you for being one of the only reviewers who tackled this headset with this much know-how, scrutiny and balance between excitement and clarity
Finally a review that actually answers my questions!
While I haven't tried the Vision Pro myself, keep in mind that the effective brightness on VR Headsets is afaik basically always way lower than what the displays are quoted for, not just because of the optics but through heavy black frame insertion too, to minimize motion blur. I would expect the Pro to be well below 1000 nits because without any incoming light from the outside, that would be way too bright for comfort anyways.
Interesting... what's your basis for thinking BFI is used in the Vision Pro?
Pancake lenses absorb so much light (Nearly 90%) that they might be skipping BFI...
@@peterscott2662 Your point about pancakes is true and I have read some reports by now that persistence on the Vision Pro might be too high (similar to the PSVR2) leading to motion blur. I'm fairly certain that they do not avoid BFI completely though, as that would most likely lead to motion sickness inducing levels of blur (or generally a bad experience when moving your head) and that doesn't seem to be the case either.
That's correct. The optics alone transmit only about 10%-15% of the light.
BFI is always used in every VR headset because without it massive motion blur would be experienced. For really good motion performance, the screen should be on about 10% of the time. People have been saying that there's much more blur with movement in vision pro than in other headsets, sot the screen is probably on much more than 10% of the time.
see KGOnTech or GladlyItsBradley for references
This is why I’m subbed. Content and details that no one else makes. Everyone else’s videos feel more or less the same. You always find a unique angle to go at. Great work!
I appreciate that!
Truly one of the best tech channels period. Its always great to hear not only someone taking about the intricacies of the AVP, but also actually learning something instead of the general "this looks so real" from every other teach reviewer about this headset. Incredibly informative
Exactly the review I was looking for, thanks!
Excellent review. Thanks for the battery breakdown. Interesting.
Finally someone mentions the noise, first thing I noticed when I demoed it at the Apple Store.
Dude. I always love your videos. You never BS around and are always on point. This video is no exception. Keep the great videos coming brother!
As always Quinn makes it worth the wait. Thank you for you research and hard work Sir!
I havent seen any yet. Ive been waiting for yours
Finally a review that goes beyond the hype that most people get trying VR and a reviewer that has actually used it enough and knows what he is talking about to actually provide useful information.
This is one of the best reviews I've ever seen. I've watched almost all the reviews for AVP this is the one that actually made sense and answered a lot of questions I had . Thank you.
The developer strap actually supports Thunderbolt data transfer speeds.
Really? Is that specified somewhere?
@@Gogo8mkdif you google it, you’ll find a bunch of articles talking about it.
Theoretically. Right now, it’s limited to USB 2.
You hit the nail on the head with the eyesight feature. All the techtubers that were saying it would be gone have no idea what Apple were trying to achieve with it. They want to make this device inclusive and this is pretty much the only feature they have that does that at the moment. It’s not going anywhere lol.
THANK YOU for explaining the battery!
Amazing! I was waiting for this video since day one. I really appreciate the thoroughness, and you always have most of my let's say "niche" questions answered. Like for an example pixels per degree, speakers frequency response and quality, and the pass-through refresh rate. Well done!
20:25 i kinda disagree. I have a ballistic helmet, its very heavy on its own, now add night vision, thats another 600 grams. You need a lead counter weight on the back else its not balanced. In total the helmet alone is 2.6 lbs, now add earpro, bungees, nvg mount, ir patch, nvg, counterweight well its going to be twice that for sure yet its still comfy
Man we are lucky to have someone like this on TH-cam. Let's be honest, someone this talented was going to succeed in whatever the hell field he chose. Getting this for free - a refreshing, in-depth, informed take on a product weeks after all the initial reviews -- all of which basically say the same stuff - is an absolute steal.
I'm literally blown away by your research and knowledge on this tech, especially the battery info. Super job!
great review, love all the technical details that I find are lacking in a lot of the other popular reviews.
These other youtube reviewers are so obviously biased it’s annoying
Probably getting paid off
That or they aren’t taking enough time to actually form an opinion.
Everyone is biased in some way towards things they are buying, especially when they have spent 3.5k on it. They had to make the decision to want to get it when it's that expensive so of course they will biased towards it. The people who are biased against it flat out won't buy it so they can't actually talk about how it is to use day to day.
18:57 Pretty sure I read somewhere that this thing supports Thunderbolt 3 speeds, not just USB 2.0
Where did you read that?
@@Briggleton Pretty sure it was 9to5mac or macrumors
Yeah it does have the capability for a thunderbolt link, but it is split into multiple lanes. The only lane exposed is USB 2 at the moment. Source: 9to5Mac
@@hypernova7 that source article is hilarious thanks for pointing me to it! "Since it’s Thunderbolt, it means potentially connecting to external displays via DisplayPort, connecting any sort of USB-enabled device, etc. This could bring forth much faster hard-wired Ethernet, high-quality video feeds, external monitors, external drives for direct media access, and more."
Great and original take. I always enjoy your late-to-the-party reviews and your original insights. Keep at it, you'll always have greatful watcher in me.
As always it's the depth of these that always bring me back.
The battery and charging part was really well done.
i agree with the last take, you do indeed feel less isolated, good video
Yeah but Sunglasses do the same. Try speaking with a person that has them on. Same!
Not surprised the speakers and passthrough aren't as great as many reviewers have said considering some of these reviewers will shamelessly say that Raycons sound amazing in a ad read.
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Brilliant video, best one I've seen yet on the device. The technical explanations are fantastic and generally what I look for in a review, not just reading off a spec sheet or benchmarks but actually deep diving into the things the average reviewer barely knows.
Thank you for this in-depth video looking at the Apple Vision Pro as some of the stuff mentioned I have not heard from other TH-cam videos.
I noticed that tech reviewers has been either blatantly misleading us, regurgitating Apple’s slides and marketing, or straight up doesn’t tell us about the product they are reviewing, which isn’t a review. More like informercials.
Welcome to the internet, take a look around... The algorithm punishes any care or thought. Anyone who doesn't get carefully constrained early access or isn't just reading the manufacturer's information will get left behind in views. It is to Quin's credit he is willing to take his time, but even this video is only an early impression compared to his intended review
Yep. The reality is, this is a meh $700 headset Apple is selling for $3500 all because Tim wanted to leave a leagacy "now" and didn't listen to his top engineers when they told hm over and over and over that "THIS THING IS NOT READY FOR RELEASE".
@@JamesR624 I didn’t say anything about the headset. I’m talking about the tech reviewers. Read the comment again before replying. Thank you, James.
@@JamesR624 I don't know how you can come up with that number unless you think that all Apple products are similarly overpriced. It's got the same number of high quality components as basically two top of the line iphones.
@@Crusader1089 Yeah, I’ve accumulated more respect for Quinn than most over the past few years of watching his videos.
Its the same video as the last 100
Wrong
I feel like Snazzy Labs and FPT singlehandedly keep the Apple community alive and interesting on youtube 🙌🏼
Fantastic video. I love how you have taken the time to present a detailed review of the hardware about the features that really matter
I always love your videos and perspective, its always unique from all other reviewers out here on youtube
This was such a great review of the product. I'm happy to hear some of your new opinions on features
The thing I love about you is that you really *do* talk about the unspoken, fascinating, important aspects of tech products that no one else does. Usually a title like that is clickbait, and it never is with you. No one comes close to the level of thoughtfulness and detail you dig into. The thing I don’t like as much is that you are *so* intelligent and know so many details that I lose you along the way all the time, even as someone who is above-average tech literate. Like how you tried to quickly explain how batteries work with all the different units & how they work together - I’m still completely lost.
Very thought out and informative video. Love your pace
thank you for mentioning the the battery mAh. watching all those reviews and seeing how big the battery physically is, I thought I was losing my mind.
As somebody who does not watch this creator normally, this dude is the biggest, proudest, most precise nerd of all time.. Respect
I really appreciate how you’ve laid this out and it mirrors lots of my ultimate conclusions as well. Great job Q.
Great review, as always, Quinn. This one earned my subscription. I also appreciated that subtle pile of headsets on the table behind you.
Been waiting for your review of this to drop. So detailed compared to others and well worth the wait!
the review i was waiting for, awesome as always!
There is a reason I keep coming back to these videos! Information in a way that no one else I watch on tech for years and years does!
This is by far the most detailed review of the vision pro I've seen so far! Great job man!
You do such great work! No one‘s talked about half of this in the reviews I’ve seen
Such a great review, thank you!
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i cannot think of a single video you've made that i dont like. well done on another INCREDIBLY informative, entertaining, engaging, and useful video. i get so excited when i get to be snazzy for a bit when you post!
First time I’ve seen one of your reviews. Excellent content! Perfect mix of technical explanation in a highly entertaining format. You have earned a very enthusiastic subscription from me! 😊
Thanks, and welcome! Where’d you find this video?
Apple need to hire Quinn on their quality control department! You’re so amazing at being objective and actually explaining things on a deeper more technical level, which makes us value your opinion way more because you actually understand why things are the way they are and why certain decisions may have been made and pros and cons they bring! Looking forward to the next video ❤
absolutely awesome video! loved the easy to follow calculations part
USB PD Supports PPS now.
There really isnt an excuse for not using USB Type-C is what I typed before he addressed. The thing is, I actually struggle to find USB PD chargers _without_ PPS nowadays.
I think proprietary is gunna proprietare.
WOW!! I love your review. Very educational and I learnt a lot, a heck of a lot! Thanks.
Wow, this is far and away the best vision pro review I've seen. The detail and realistic pov is really refreshing
This was an amazing review. Thanks I felt like I could try on the words and illustration to feel what the vision pro feels like. I recently got tested 20:18 if my memory and terrible at labelling music even my favorites. Thanks very helpful.
I think this is the first honest vision pro review that i have seen, great content like always
Hands down this is the best and most real Vision Pro review I’ve watched. Thank you.
"I know you've seen millions of Vision Pro videos"...exactly but we were all waiting for yours. Great video, worth the wait!
Always love your reviews. Thank you always
Love this review and all the research and effort you put into it!!! very informative
Damn good review. I’ve been watching reviews for a long time and the quality on this one is easily the best.
Truly appreciate your review, been waiting ages to really hear another side of the story. Great job.
Hugely informative and well-researched review. More useful to someone looking to purchase than MKBHD and Cleo Abram hardware reviews IMO
I love the extensive battery segment. Well done!
The passthrough is truly 6/10.
Great video. Have only been able to watch the first couple minutes, but excited to finish tomorrow
Yours is the one i've been waiting for
Thank you for taking the time to do this Quinn, I love how in depth you always go on things!
omg finally someone filmed through the lens, really wondered why no one did this yet. Also the battery and resolution got covered well ... thank you very much for this tech nerdy review !
This is one of the FEW Apple Vision Pro reviews I can rely on. Great job !
I've watched a few videos about the Vision Pro... and yours seemed different, in a good way. Like you looked at this from a real world perspective instead of "ooo, bright shiny new tech". And I really appreciate that. Thank you. :)
As a VR lover for years. This is an absolutely stellar video for introduction to VR. Kinda crazy. Fantastic Job
Best review of the Apple Vision Pro on TH-cam, hands down !
Amazing info thank you for this review!❤
Always love your reviews
26:49 - always enjoyed putting googly eyes on the outside of VR headsets. Really helps with connecting with others outside of VR, y’know.
Was waiting for this!