Testing Vallejo Metal Color - The Acrylic Alternative To Solvent Based Metalizer Paints Like Alclad
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- In todays video I revisit Vallejo's Metal Color acrylic paints. For many hobbyist out there, an acrylic is their only option. While there isn't as many color options to choose from, what I have here is pretty good. It's also durable which is a plus. Another bonus is it has zero smell.. Another bonus is they seem to go on really well without a primer.
While in my opinion these are no where near as good as the solvent based metal colors like Alclad and AK Extreme, they are a good choice for the hobbyist who only uses acrylics.
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hands down the BEST acrylic metallics. Period. I ditched the Scale75 line for these. The gold is a bit green but Vince Ventrulla mixes 3 drops Gold, 2 drops Copper and a bit of Green Stuff world Antique gold pigment powder and it is a game changer.
Is it really better than scale75 though. I recently did a brush on test with AK range, 4 of these paints and I had scale75 decayed metal.. I found these vellejo pretty watery but the scale 75 one came out smoother than anything else. Or are you just talking about airbrushing?
The time you posted this video is magical because I was JUST looking at your other Vajello videos and deciding which colors to get
Get AK Interactive 3rd gen and if you want a ice gold try the green stuff world pure metal pigments that can be mixed with master medium or metal varnish. Also AK makes lots of acrylic metals, and wax metal paints that are almost like oils that somebody can polish. just saying. Citadel makes good paints too.
Thank you for your videos, they're truly helpful both for beginners and experienced hobbyists alike :)
You're welcome buddy 👍
Love your reviews, always in depth and lots of chat to listen to.
you doing all these tests and comparisons is so helpful. im trying to get into the wargame mini and 3d printed statues painting, and your content consistently makes me feel informed on purchases before i have to invest in them.
Thank you my friend for the kind words, it's very much appreciated
These are definitely my favorite acrylic metallic so far.
I've had good success tinting them with acrylic inks, too.
They work great with Citadel contrast paints over the top too.
I love the Burnt Iron. I paint miniatures and it makes such a grounded armour colour than steels.
That orange mix really does make a better gold too. Which is good as many people don't like the normal gold (it's the weakest colour in the range)
You need to due 1 of your model for start to finish on a show I like to see you do the painting
Spoons are his hobby kits.
@@vladtheimpaler3625 I really don't get his technique he uses the airbrush as it way a spray can
I absolutely love the Vallejo Metal Finish line. I used the Dark Aluminium and Aluminium on my NX-01 build. You really do need a gloss black primer like Alclad for best results. Also you don’t need their varnish I just clear coat with Tamiya TS-13 Gloss and it retains the metallic shine. You can even use a matte clear like Duplicolor wheel matte for a nice matte finish.
What is your experience using Vallejo Gloss Black Primer? If you don't mind to share. Mine was a bit sticky, different feel compared to other primers. And did you tested the Matte finish over those metal colors? Did it keep the shine on? Thanks
Nice video, thank you for sharing!!! 👍👍👍
Barbatos man you are really onto something by adding color to white aluminum. I bought some Vallejo Metal Medium and was extremely disappointed with the results. It’s basically just mixing Pearl White with your base color 1:1 and BARELY gives it a pearlescent look that is not really noticeable from afar. The Metal Color is just what i needed to make real metallics in different flavors. The results mixing with the White Aluminum were night and day better than their Metal Medium which is pure crap imo. Once again you point me in the right direction and the reason you are my Go-To guy for paint tips. 👍
Another awesome video thanks my friend
Great thanx for this rewiev. I was looking for water based alternative to alclad...
Pretty impressed by the Vallejo thanks for testing. BTW... ya might want to blur out that address
I use these all the time, I found that even their shinier tones like Chrome and Aluminum all have a matte finish by themselves. But still come in clutch for when you don't have access to Lacquers.
They are designed that way from the start, so you can choose the final finish on them, be it, Matt, Semi Gloss, or full on gloss.
After doing a bit of testing myself, I'm beginning to think the trick with these metallics paints across the board isn't so much undercoating them with gloss black as much as it is having a glass smooth undercoat. If your undercoat is grainy or pebbly, it ruins the metallic look we crave. I've actually heard (not seen) guys undercoating simply with a clear gloss over primer with fantastic results. Same with gloss royal blue. It would be interesting to see the results of such a test. Unfortunately, I'm not currently in a position to try such a test.
I was really eager to see the primer because I have a bottle of that Vallejo gloss black primer and mine keeps looking more satin when I put it on. I can’t work out what I’m doing wrong, but I had not tried thinning it in the airbrush so I may try that to see if it makes a difference (and I definitely shook the bottle for ages and even used an electric paint stirer- no difference).
Great video. Absolutely enjoy watching your videos. So informative. Do you plan on doing a dedicated video for gaianotes paints? I know they're hard to come by now, so would love as much information on the proper ways to use them.
Great video and great review. Just FYI, I've been having good results with "FolkArt Metallics" and "DecoArt Metallics" brands of acrylics from the craft store. I basically thin them 50/50 with the blue windshield whipper fluid you can get at the big box store for like .99 cents a gallon. Have you done any testing with these? I'd be interested to see how you think they work. Thanks for all of the tips, have a great day.
Nice revisit Rex!
For coloring, try metal color (e.g. duraluminium) with inks (e.g. FW) for more intensity and use the transparency of the inks to keep more metal shine.
These metal colors go pretty easy with the brush as well.
Also, the gold can be improved my mixing in some of the copper (and Green Stuff World Gold Pigment)
@@ArynCrinn brown/red ink works too
@@joshfoss7407 I don’t have the gold pigments but I have the copper. Also I have a full set of inktensity inks so your comment caught my attention. Do you just add a few drops of both brown and red or one or the other with the copper and gold all together?
I NEW TO USING OR TRYING TO USE AN AIR BRUSH BUT LOOKS LIKE THE PAINT GOES A LONG WAY ON PROJECTS.... VERY COOL
They also do excellent with paint brush
I can't use lacquer paint for health reasons. The Vallejo Metal Colors are true water based acrylics and I and very happy with the results. Not sure how long they're going to last, but well worth it.
Great research Spoonman 👍
I'll keep these in mind. I have a set of Vallejo colors that I could mix in.
always learning new stuff
School is in session, the learning never stops 👍😀
32:38 "Better gold than the gold!" haha
I definately need to get myself an airbrush
I love these metallics.
Picked up a few of these and was initially not that impressed. After working with them a bit I've come to appeciate how smooth they are for a acrylic. Don't really plan to use them on RC's but for brush painting they are a strong contender.
You should try out Molotow Liquid chrome. I get it in the Refill size of 30ml. That is what I use to spray with. Works like a charm. Molotow One4All is also a amazing acrylic paint, I use it to prime with (Black, Grey, and White) it was designed to be weatherproof so it is super durable but it was also designed to flow through a felt pen nib so it sprays through a airbrush like a dream with no additives or thinners. Just a thought, thank you for the content.
I airbrushed Molotow chrome straight out of the marker. it's an older video from ealier this year. It airbrushed great
@@barbatosrex9473 hi i am using 0.5 needle with 2bar psi,you mention in this video that the black primer wont need to thin for 0.5 needle. so does it mean for all of vallejo paint/varnish and other primer i dont need to thin it as well then for model and mecha line maybe just add few drop of flow improver?
Thank You
@@leomr1504 only is it says "Air" on the jar. If it doesn't say Air then I would thin it
@@barbatosrex9473 i see. do you have the thinning ratio for varnish?
@@leomr1504 thin it the same as the paint. You want a consistency of milk
Another great series of tests mate. Thank you.
I don't know how familiar you are with Citadel paints, but have you come across something similar to Citadel's Grey Knight Steel? It's silver metallic with a bluish tint. Even their "Air" line's been a nightmare to airbrush with and I've been looking for an alternative without mixing (for consistency reasons).
Citadel metallics are pretty horrible on the whole, also the 'metallic' flaked tend to look like glitter they're so large.
Only the standard Vallejo Gunmetal blue is worse.
The Vallejo Metal colour is also great for brush painting (and tinting it with ink gives you a load of options)
Nice video on metal 😊
I am about to start airbrushing and have made a playlist of your videos to make notes when I attempt it myself. Sadly FedEx delayed my paints and GSI Creos Mr. Airbrush Procon Boy PS-289 0.3mm Platinum.... What I haven't seen (yet?) is what paints need primers and/or whether you can use a clear coat on certain or all paint types.
I know you have many different videos detailing what is needed. But would you every make an "All-In-One guide" video explaining to how to airbrush each of the paint types (e.g. metallics, fluorescent, enamels, acrylics, others)? Also what thinners, primers and bases are recommended with brands like Vallejo, Mr. Color, so on.
I ask this because I have a limited budget and I don't want buy a product which is not compatible with paints or primers I have bought. Regardless, I enjoy your videos.
I will make a note of this. I was planning a full how to vid involving all types of paints. Your suggestions will help my choices
Barbatos your gatteling gun looks amazing. Are you gonna do any wheatering, dry brushing or chipping on it? You could also do panel lines with washes.
I ran out of my Vallejo airbrush thinner so I'd thin it with the createx colors 4012 reducer and it works very well.
This was really usefull, thanks
I use these a lot and mostly brush on for small areas. I have used airbrush, but it can be a mixed bag.
Another great video and test, thanks. I am acrylics only and have been considering the Vallejo metallics. This convinced me.
I saw Folk Art Color Shift paints in the background; are you going to do a test on those?
Would loved to see a shootout on the odorless paints like acrylics (mission models,Vallejo,etc) what’s the best bang for the buck
I've been looking at getting these, and after this review I think I might. The finish on them is really good.
Also not sure what mic your using, but the directionality of the background noise it picks up makes me feel I'm there haha.
With acrylic I guess the paint is less forgiving if you go ticker compared to solvent based like Alclad. I found that thin coats work best for Alclad but you do need a top coat. I'm curious if you could make a video about different kinds of thinner for both Acrylic and solvent paints. What dries quicker and doesn't affect the finish. I generally use IPA. It works with my Alclad and acrylics and it dries really fast after spraying.
I have a few of these and really like the for brush painting. If there is no clear coat on top, when I tried using mr weathering color and the it's respective solvent, it will eat through the metallics. They really need to have some sort of clear coat on top. Unless you're careful, it looks like a metallic with gloss coat on top.
Given the size of the bottles mixing colours is a great tip.
I know the Metal Gold is more of a greenish gold. I heard that you can mix metal copper and gold to get a non green gold.
3:1 Gold:copper to start, you can go 3:2 even for warmer gold if you like.
Vince Venturella shows how to really improve the Metal Color Gold in the latter half of this video: th-cam.com/video/26_1W7zR-cA/w-d-xo.html
Vallejo metal colors are amazing. For acrylics. I don't like the silvers as much as say, Darkstar. But the gold is just gorgeous. If you can't use lacquers/enamels, they're the next best thing imo.
Completely agree. They're generally good, but not great compared to a proper metalised paint like the lacquers like Alclad.
Did you try the Vallejo metallic Chrome? I hated it and think it's one of the worst in the line, but the others can look good
That white aluminum with 2or 3 drops of blue looks kind of like heat checking. Now I want to build a model of a Beech King Air turboprop and make the exhaust pipes look like 1000 degree exhaust has passed through them.
Great job as always. Those caps are terrible I hate them too for the same reason. I have had good experiences spraying army painter paints (thinning them of course)
I've got a couple of these paints + the primer. It's fantastic to hand brush with but airbrushing is a nightmare. One of their offical videos says dilute with water if needed, do not dilute with water!!! And yes, the lids are a pain too.
do I need to get automotive paint to paint skulls on my motorcycle or will those types of paint work ? thanks in advance just starting out
Vallejo Liquid gold line now has a new label and I heard the formula is also new
Thanks for the video! I was wondering though how long after you spray the primer are the spoons safe to paint on? And do the mettalics need to be thinned?
you can start to paint over the primer in about 20 minutes. These metal paint don't need thinning at all. They're ready to use out of the bottle
@@barbatosrex9473 alright thank you so much! Also do you know if the primer holds up if you thin it and keep it in a bottle so I can use it anytime?
Did you ever end up doing that Scale75 test? Really curious what you found with those.
I'm planning on that test now.
Amazing to get that gold from adding a bit of orange to the silver aluminum.
@barbatosrex9473
Does the Vallejo Polyurethane Gloss varnish have any difference against the Vallejo metal color varnish?
Is it worth it to have the 2? Or one of them is enough?
When I used the gloss black primer and touch the surface after 12 hours when I finished the airbrushing, I always feel sticky! Am I done that too thick?
I really like the Metal Color line, although so far I've only been able to get my hands on the Silver (77.124) and the Dark Aluminum (77.703) because all of my local gaming and/or hobby stores that care Vallejo seem to have a really hard time getting them and then sell out quick when they do.
I've found they need no thinning at all in the airbrush, and actually brush on pretty well (at least on 25mm scale minis). But they do tend to look better over black or a darker color than they do grey or white.
For the Surface Primer I go 2:1 with the thinner, but my thinner is actually a blend of 90% Thinner, 10% Flow Aid.
Send me an email, I can help you get some different colors of these
@@barbatosrex9473 Thanks. I've found them on Amazon and MicroMark's webpage if necessary. I just like to support my local shops as much as possible. ;-)
Barbatos have you tried Humbrols new airbrush ready acrylic paints? They come in a 18 ml bottel and they are now being produced in the UK. I like them they are good but it feels like they are too thin sometimes, so you need some extra layers for it to look suficient.
Do you have a link where I can buy them from?
The gold and copper really need to be viewed as a pair to get a good looking gold.
Tinting them with ink is a more flexible way of tinting them either for other metals or metal effects.
They're loved in the figure painting sphere because they also brush in really nicely and can be brush blended to an extent.
Have you tried mixing with Games Workshop Contrasts at all?
I add green stuff antique gold pigment to the gold
hey just wondering if you will ever do a comparison test of Scale75 Artist 20ml tube paints versus the unheard of Abteilung 502 dense Acrylic 20ml tube paints. Abteilung is a subsidiary of AK Interactive and they have released zero info about the Abteilung Acrylics. They have released info about the oils just not the acrylics. I even emailed them and they said there's no info as far as advertisements or demoing their use goes. Somebody really 💩the bed on that product launch. How does a company release a product to compete with another product and give it no backing? I'm just curious how these Scale75 paints are because i purchased a few of the original dropper bottle paints and i was unimpressed; poor coverage, heavy brush marks when it came to painting via brush
Am I the only one who thinks Vallejo and Italeri paint smell so good?
Italeri is made by Vallejo.
When the metal line first came out, they used to smell like Avon Bubblebath, which the smell is ingrained on my mind, as it was my Grandmother's favorite!
So Vallejo surfaceprimer is not pre thinned? My versions spray right from the bottel with 0.3 needle.
It's interesting that these seem more durable than the liquid metals line. I can't put the liquid metal straight on plastic or gunpla because it smudges off so much as I handle it. And forget masking tape, even the specialized Tamiya stuff rips the paint clear off if there is no primer
True, I painted a car for my brother with Liquid Copper and you couldn't handle the kit at all, I had to put it in a car case and told him not to touch it. If you go to the community section of my channel and scroll down you can see it. This pai t is way more durable than their liquid line up for sure
@@barbatosrex9473 yeah that's a beautiful looking car... I echo the sentiments of many that we wish you posted even more of your actual painted kits. I feel like that lets us really see the paints in action
ONE MORE ??? IM PAINTING AWOODEN SLIEGH AND IT HAS ALOT OF CUTS FROM BEING CUT OUT AND IM USING AN AIRBRUSH TO PAINT OUT SIDE BUT WHATS THE BEST WAY TO GET INSIDE THE CUTOUTS????
Question: What is the best air brush chrome paint that gives the most realistic chrome look of the paints you’ve tested?
I tested the Chrome and Gunmetal over their Gloss Black Primer. Looks and feels great! But the Gloss Black Primer seems sticky even after dried (cured?) for 2 days, still a bit sticky. Dont know whether it is normal or what.
I've actually had some problems time to time with their Gloss black primer. Not sure why. You can try thinning it a bit more. That helped me. Also you don't need to use their primer, I use Alclad Gloss Black Base and Tamiya Gloss Black spray cans. Both work awesome with these. Keep me posted
@@barbatosrex9473 I have always thinned their products, Mecha primer, Surface primer, this Gloss Black primer, Mecha Color line, and thanks to you now, their Metal Colors line! My "Vallejo Ratio" is 2 Paint : 1 Thinner : 1 Flow Improver (I don't follow their instructions with 10:2 ratio). At least always works best for me, even with this ratio, tip drying still happened. But this specific Gloss Black Primer, I may need to try to thin it more than that :D thank you for your heads up.
Are Alclad and Tamiya Lacquer? CMIIW. My current condition forbids me from using other than Acrylic. Thanks again for your reply. You just got a new Sub. Have fun and keep posting!
Can take these metallics one step further and overcoat them with the Candy color from the Vallejo Premium line. Multitude of different colors based on the color of the metallic basecoat, as we as multitude of shades based on how many coats of candy you use.
Yes, these can be covered with their Premium line up as well as other acrylics
Awesome
Have you tried the Anchoret metallics yet?
Did you thinned the metal colors? Any tips for the varnish? Psi, needle, thinned or not?
These are pre thinned so straight out of the bottle into the airbrush. PSI is 15 for the metal color and 15 to 20 psi for the clear. The varnish is also pre thinned so it's good to go
Have you tried the brass colour of this or any other brands? For some reason or another we cannot get the Alclad polished brass colour (ALC 109) here in Canada so I'm looking for an alternative to do several pairs of brass doors on an Ho train station. Any recommendations in acrylic, enamel or alcohol?
Vallejo liquid gold - GREEN GOLD.
What’s the difference between metal varnish and regular varnish
Cool video
that burn iron would be good for thrusters on a jet or a gundam
FYI. The gold comes out with more of a green tint. You can add some copper and get a more reddish gold.
Vallejo Liquid gold- green gold.
Can i use a regular brush? not air brush
This metal color range are a very good sustitute to enamel and lacquer metals. A biigggg plus is the lack of that strong smell...
What size needle does the patriot have?
0.55 mm. You can get 3 sizes for it, a small, medium and large. Believe it or not the 0.5 mm is the middle
@@barbatosrex9473 Thanks! I have an Iwata Neo and it has a .50mm (stock) needle. I found what you said about having a larger needle interesting for not having to thin the Valejjo colors so I was curious if I should try getting a larger needle then.
20:02 why don’t you try to use the Vallejo Metal Medium instead, and use transparent colors to mix, instead of opaque ones.
Thanks
The range has recently been re jigged lately with a slightly different label and with a agitator ball in them so if you want to know which one give them a shake
Agitator ball has been in them for quite a few years, but yes, they have been reformulate recently due to a chemical they were using in them, that can no longer be used or obtained.
Also the new formula bottles uses a label which has a darker shade of silver than the older ones
@@viper29ca Also the new formula label is printed in a darker shade of silver then the old ones
@@lesgl haven't noticed that, (I own a hobby shop, and sell the line), but then I haven't looked either
Love this range except the gold, which is not really gold and more a warm silver.
I was gonna say you should be doing the tape test with Gorilla Duct Tape, but that stuff will strip anything. If you stuck it to a block of uranium and pulled it off it would probably split the atoms and cause a nuclear explosion 🤣
Have you tried mixing Vallejo metal colours with Games Workshop contrast paints? Anyone?
QUESTION???? CAN YOU MIX THE COLOUR SHIFT PAINTS TO GET A DIFFIRENT COLOUR???? AND WILL IT STILL COLOUR SHIFT????
yup
nice
In one of your past videos (th-cam.com/video/lbH7vcmnfes/w-d-xo.html) you had introduced Mr. Hobby Acrysion Paints, but I don't see any review on them. Could you please do a review on them? I don't see any english review on any channel.
I bought some of these after seeing this video and they look great. the nozzle design is total garbage though. It would be better in just the typical dropper bottles.
would you be able to hand brush?
You can use them as brush paints for smaller areas you want to cover. They are great for painting details on figures for example.
@@DansModelBench Thanks that was exactly what I wanted to know!
no copper?
acrilico studio it is good for airbrushing
Not having an extractor system limits me to acrylics.
I've found these Vallejo metallics to be pretty good but have had two pots of Aluminium go gunky weird
It sort of curdles after a while.
The gunmetal, steel, duraluminium have been fine
I find Vallejo SO confusing! They have far too many choices. Liquid Gold line. Metal Color line. Liquid Metal line. Now a Premium Metal line. Probably more, that I am unaware of. I get a headache watching endless brands, and various ranges. It would be nice to see you do a consolidation of all these countless brands....and just give us your wrap up as to the best. Perhaps by chemical makeup. Laquers, Alcohols, Enamels, Acrylics. And why. Ease of use, coverage, durability, forgivness, best shine. Etc.
the reason you came back is because you werent suposed to cut the primer to begin with. Needle had no baring on result.
What can I say but first
Steel is the best
Nice, but this could've been 5 minutes
Don't think I'm weird, but you should delete the end of this video because the box has your name and address on it. Just thinking of your security.
i have read/heard many reports that these metals are really prone to chip and rubbing off even. no sign with yours!
I've never had them chip