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Nice to see Toyota take care of a media outlet so well, but make no mistake, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that they would do the same for a consumer. No auto company would. It's like pulling teeth just to get recalls or warranty work done with these crooks 🙄
I had a 2016 Tacoma for a very short time... In that time there was a TSB for something to do with the rear axle and drum brakes causing it to shudder when braking, and a TSB about transmission tuning because it was awful. Two different dealers basically denied the existence of the TSBs. Turned me off from the truck immediately. Everything has problems, its how the manufacture handles them that's important.
That might have been true a couple of years ago, but that hasn't been my experience recently. I had two outstanding recalls. I called the service department and they scheduled both for the same day. The dealership picked up my truck in the morning and returned it after lunch. No hassle and the valet service was complimentary. It would be better if we didn't have all these recalls, but that's the result of a world that lost its ever-loving mind a few years ago and the push to put more tech in vehicles.
Don’t take it so easy on this Tacoma. We need to know if this is going to be a widespread major problem. If we are spending $45k+ on a new truck we need to know the 4WD system isn’t going to fail first time out.
Why anyone would buy a 1st year new gen vehicle is insane but, these are the same people that HAVE to buy a new thing to say they have it first. Phones, cars, etc
New trucks just ain't it. Get yourself something with a solid front axle and full time 4WD if you want something that doesn't break in extreme conditions. ;)
It's meant to break before the transfer case, diff, transmission. It's a good design. What is not good is that it breaks so easily. Either there was a manufacturing defect with the part or the rest of the truck is so weak that the part has to be that easy to break. I have a 2016 4Runner and live off grid. I have put that truck through hell many times. Hopefully it's a defect.
@@rundownaxe it might be cheaper to replace than the diff, transfer case or the transmission but the results are the same when you're out on a trail. This is why you don't purchase the newest of the new until the major kinks have been ironed out.
@@rundownaxemy understanding is it's a hold over part. Other utubers have put their Tacoma's on the same trail that the blue crush failed on, and had no issues. I've been watching the Tacoma forums and reddit groups and so far I don't see anyone else reporting a failure of the 4wd system. Now there are other issues like a connector in the front not being fully water tight causing moisture to get into the connector which throws errors in the dash, but that's it so far in terms of trending issues.
IT would be great to do a follow up video with chief engineer Sheldon as to whether this was a design, materials, or quality control issue, to put a lot of concerns to rest. I.e., what was the root cause and the corrective action going forward.
That's hard to believe at least from the video. I had a 2013 Taco and it was certainly exposed to more driveline shock in the woods then what's visible in the video. If you can't have a little bit of wheel slippage while trying to traverse a rocky grade, something more is likely going on. SEems more likely that there may have been an assembly issue, a subspec material in the part, or under sized for the failure mode.@@DaleWilly
Good luck to anyone without a youtube channel getting that repair covered let alone get it fixed in 8 days. No thanks ill wait a few years to consider a new Tacoma
Theres a youtuber who thinks its because of poor workmanship in the mexico plant. The part that broke is a time tested 30 yr old part that shouldnt have broke apparently.
@DeepDishPizza Toyota dealer near me tried to deny faulty shocks/springs on my 2022 TRD OR under warranty w/16k. Was 100% driveable just squeaking and grinding. Took them over 3 weeks to accept responsibility. Never off road just regular street driving. Are parts readily available yet for the 2024? Or did Toyota prioritize this repair? My guess is they did no questions asked.
It saddens me to know that if this was just a regular person that had this truck they definitely either 1. Not gotten the truck back in at least a month 2. Toyota would have said nope, not fixing it because you were hard core offroading. What saved TFL was their connection to Toyota corporate and the fact that they were filming everything.
Not true at all and stop spreading misinformation like it’s fact. No vehicle is meant to be “off-road”. Most vehicles are built to be capable of doing it at a certain extent (ie: you happen to cross a wet dirt road/snow/dirt/etc, that’s where the. 4x4 or lockers comes in)… if you end up rock crawling and happen to damage the truck then it’s your fault. Be smart and use the truck how it was intended. Pushing it “hard-core” is NOT one of them.
Regarding the “case by case” warranty coverage for off road problems, I guess we will all need to constantly film ourselves so that Toyota can’t deny claims.
The only reason they know it was off road is because they filmed it and it was clearly a low effort situation for the truck. That kind of break could happen anywhere. The only way I would see denied warrenty for off road use is if it's caked in mud or has damaged skid plates. The trail they were on would not leave that kind of easily noticeable signs of hard use.
@@DaleWillylol, I'm reading the replies... the defender status you have adopted is cute. People have their views for a reason and you trying to tell them their experiences are invalid is hilarious. Dealer in disguise. Take deep breaths.
I've never had a warranty denied from a vehicle manufacturer as long as you don't go in there with something completely beat up showing the reason why it broke.
@@DaleWilly LOL Toyota dealers have definitely worked that way. One guy with a 3rd gen was denied coverage for a busted rear diff because the dealer claimed it was 'abuse'. Asked how they concluded that and they said there was mud all over the underside of the truck.
Okay, PLEASE start doing more videos towing up this hill or a similar hill! These slow torture climbs actually represent a large part of my towing as I tow up a steep and winding mountain road up here in the Rocky Mountains.
Andre absolutely should make this tow in 4WD LOW. That way he'd suddenly have much greater wheel torque applied to all 4 & we'd see if it failed again. Also the torque converter might stay locked & not produce so much transmission heat. I've driven up highway 158 outside Eden UT up to Powder Mountain Resort, that road is paved & consistent 14% grade. The times I've driven my underpowered 2007 4.6 F150 4X4 std. cab work truck up in low range it feels like your flying up vs. in high range
This road is *no joke*. After a group wheeling day a few years ago, coming down this road we hit ice and two built monster FJs slid into the ditch and had to be recovered. Great road to take in the summer when we're trying to get back from Switzerland Trail quickly, but in the winter no thanks lol
If anyone had any questions you proved it--an underpowered 4 cylinder turbo CAN haul a minor load and the transmission will barely overheat and the 4 wd may not break! Quite an accomplishment!
To be fair... if you're paying 50-75k for a truck, it's should have a damn brake controller. It cost a couple hundred aftermarket... a dealer could and SHOULD offer it STANDARD. It's a truck!
@@craigquann I think they don't because a large portion of truck buyers are looking for luxury, not a workhorse. The truck market is not what it was even 10yrs ago.
@palebeachbum sure, but they still offer "tow packages" that don't always include a brake booster. It's stupid. Literally bought a 2017 sierra that had the provisions for a brake controller. It cost me $100 for an aftermarket one (from the dealer) that was pretty much plug n play. There's zero reason not to considering all the useless shit they do add.
You guys know how steep that hill is, and being unsure of the road conditions with that weight, you really should have just used low range from the get go. Glad you are taking the Tacoma right back out and testing it tho!! Looking forward to the rest of this series!
Nobody that know anything would drive that way , any trans would get heated the way they are driving up a slow no airflow hill ! Youd be in 4 low and take your time.
For sure. It's only 50F and the transmission temp is peaking that much? Big question now is, just what exactly does this truck excel at other than a good mall run? A lot of money to spend for debatable returns.....
@@cwqrpportable It’s a dummy gage, it was actually nowhere near overheating. It uses a transmission warmer and cooler that uses engine coolant which stays around 200 degrees. It wouldn’t have made any difference. If it was pulling more it would have gone into a lower gear.
LMAO! It's like watching an old couple out for a drive! Andre, what's it like with a nanny in the passenger seat? LOL! All in fun guys and good to see what it's like, in real life, with the new Taco.
Can you do this same test with the Chevy Colorado? Considering it has a better tow capacity, I’m curious how it does with temp. Is that video anywhere?
Not sure why it matters that it is an early production truck unless Toyota has replaced the part that broke with a more robust part on subsequent production.
Toyota engineers flew out to the oilfield to investigate a rattle on my tundras seat. They replace the whole thing and that’s the only time Iv used a Toyota warranty in 20 years.
This is the problem with all these new modern electronic activated system, it's not meant to resist much of anything. Like he stated, there's a fuse meant to blow.... They could have made it a resettable circuit and over engerniered the parts not to break and the first little amount of throttle/wheel slip...
That tacoma seems pretty bad, 4wd blew up in a little ice and now the transmission overheats towing a tiny truck... imagine what would've happened towing that load in the summer when it's 90 degrees.
You don’t know how modern transmission coolers work. They cool off of engine coolant. It keeps the transmission warmer in the winter so it shifts properly. The engine coolant stays at 200 degrees whether it’s Summer or Winter. Even at max load and 120 degrees outside the transmission temperature would only be a few degrees warmer.
You are pretty dumb. Towing conditions weren't even ideal. It's basically steep service road. Muddy at that. No 2wd would have made it up there. That should tell you everything.
@user-tb7rn1il3q On 4WD 24-7, their 2021 4WD Ute Comparison explained how modern transmission oil coolers work. Modern trucks that have a transmission cooler also have a thermal bypass that doesn't allow the transmission oil to be cooled until it reaches a minimum temperature. However you want to keep the transmission temperature as low as possible so you either have to replace the thermal bypass with an aftermarket part or install a larger transmission cooler that allows transmission oil to always run through the cooler.
Yes you can get a trailer brake controller installed after purchase of the vehicle I had 2 years ago when I bought a chevy silverado I had to add a trailer brake controller to it so I had to leave it at the dealership overnight for them to do that it was 800 bucks.
I towed about 5500lbs a few days ago with my 22 Frontier Pro-4X and was totally impressed. Most of the 60 mile I-95 drive it hovered around 2K rpms, the transmission stayed cool, and I got almost 16mph while towing. I was truly impressed. The new Taco with the recent front drive ADD break and the four banger struggling with a trailer reassures me I picked the right new midsize truck!
I live at 5,300ft and go over a 9,200ft pass to work each week, I for one LOVE the idea of not losing power at altitude like I do in my RAV4 (N/A V6). I also go back to CO and will like it better at altitudes even higher. I'll be picking up my Colorado ZR2 this weekend, and I'm sure I'll be plenty happy with it.
Feel free not to be gentle with the Tacoma, if it has any more issues with normal to light use (which most of us consider the previous video/issue), we need to know about it. Who was flying the drone? I hope it survived it's little trip into the trees. Oh and any Part 1/ Part 2 video series needs to be on the same channel, who idea was it to split them up on different channels? You were offroad alot on this video.
Getting the Toyota repaired would have been such a nightmare for anyone who doesn't have a TH-cam channel. Thanks guys for the transparency with this whole process. Hard to believe that transmission almost overheated. You definitely need to redo this video in the summer. I don't think I'd buy one of these this year. They need to reinforce some parts and put a transmission cooler on them.
Toyota engineers were holding their breath throughout the course of this video. If anything else were to break they might as well resign the next day 😆
Toyota’s Sense of Urgency is clear in this Context - Crystal Clear Toyota - And Toyota shares the Heck with USAF Veteran’s Immaculate Tundra and His Safety - Kilmer’s: Tundra Falling Apart Video & Reading Early 1st Gen 2000-2003 Tundra Frame Replacement FAQ & Other Tundra Forums- Wow - Grew up with Toyotas and Lexus and Have Owned them for many years… Not the same company it used to be….
I never thought tacomas were anything more than a car with a bed on it. with an NA V6 and rear leafs that sag when you put the surfboard and the golf bag in the bed. If you’re buying a Tacoma to tow you are not we’ll informed on vehicles. They’re great for going to the beach and the mountains cabin but anything else forget about it.
I would Much prefer having a 4WD system where I had to get out of the truck and lock in the hubs manually. Those systems were more reliable and cost less to repair. It seems like after 100K miles or so the electronically controlled 4WD systems with automatic locking hubs just aren’t as durable and cost a small fortune to repair / replace. I’m all about things that lasted longer and were cheaper to repair / replace.
I had one of the first third gen Tacoma, a 2016, and Toyota fixed a lot of things, including a new rear end, for me without hassle. They will do the same for you, it's the law.
I fell in Love with the tiny JDM trucks and wanted one so bad, in West Virginia you can license them for the road. A friend had a Daihatsu/Toyota, I found out I’m not skinny enough to drive one, get behind the wheel comfortably and the lil 3 cylinder sounded tortured the whole time I was in it, spent the money I would have spent on it on a 23 F150, designed for well fed Americans like me!🤣😂🤣😂
For me it was a face palm moment when they were talking about how steep the hill was, and then said they don't need four low. This is a perfect situation for four low especially as it's a dirt road. 100% would have done a better job in four low.
Great video guys. You really tested limits of this Tacoma towing, and it wasn't even at full towing capacity. Good to know things like this. Also, to the people saying that Toyota wouldn't have covered this repair under warranty... I think they would've covered it. Unless it's obvious negligent behavior.
I used to use Takonsha controllers; my current truck is the first one I’ve had with factory controller. One of them quit working when I was pulling through Atlanta on a Friday night, thank the Lord the truck brakes barely held their own.
Love TFL channels, but splitting one story over multiple channels is irritating for your viewers. I spent way too much time hinting down the different parts to this story when it could have been on one channel.
I got in a argument with one of the TFL fan boys on there video (Will it break) in the video BEFORE this one!! I would LOVE for those TFL fan boys to see this video!!. This is what i said on that videos comment section................Is the A.D.D really what broke OR was it something else since they are in good with Toyota? Notice how they do not go in depth about the problem.........hmmmmmmmmmm. My value of my 2023 Tacoma Sport is still going up even though they fixed it. My V6 will always have more value than that 4 banger. I JUST LOVE how the transmission almost over heating on something that should NOT make it over heat. That load was not that bad BUT the whole thing is laughable. The 2023 Tacoma is better than $ in the bank compared to the clown show of the 2024 Tacoma!! Every week is more bad news coming out on this channel and others!! i just bought a BIG popcorn machine and i will be making popcorn and REALLY enjoying the show of this crappy 2024 Tacoma that they built! I also JUST LOVE how Toyota said they will replace the front diff if it breaks on a "case by case basis", lol. That is backing quality right there for you...........HA HA HA! They replaced the old front diff WITH THE EXACT CRAPPY FRONT FRONT DIFF THAT BROKE THE FIRST TIME!! You cannot make this stuff up at this point!! You do not have a big channel like them and do you thing yours will be covered...........give me a break. They will let the problem exist for a longgggggggggggg time and THEN MAYBE do a re-call on it. Mean while you are stuck with the piece of junk and a BIG bill for it too, lol. I have a 2013 Ford F150 with 140,000 as my every day drive and work truck AND i have a 2023 Tacoma Sport that sits in the garage most of the time and i drive it around when i want to show it off. It cannot do 1/3 of what my Ford can do so it just sits and looks pretty.
You can bet Toyota is sweeping the real problem under the rug, back when they weren’t out yet the chief engineer had lack of transparency and wouldn’t let us know how much they truly tested these trucks, also that engine was quick to overheat up that small trail, the new Tacoma also has active grill mechanism that’s malfunctioning causing CEL and overheating problems
That little truck needs a better trans cooler. Wow, that would be brutal in warm weather. I feel better and better about my Ram 1500 V6 purchase as i looked really heavily at the new Tacoms. It's my new everyday truck and weekend hauler. It's been doing fantastic. Just need to keep the rusties away with undercoating. The sheet metal isn't as good as my old Dodge. A N/A v6 with 10 spd transmission would be ideal... guess that's why the Nissan Frontier still exsists.
The new tacomas also has a active grill that functions to cool down that fast heating engine, these active grills are also malfunctioning on some new tacomas
You just get the vibe with these videos the new Tacoma is somewhat fragile and underpowered which is unfortunate. If enough of these get out in the market and underperform for consumers long term if we’ll see them put the Tundra V6 in future versions?
On the contrary, the problem is that it's not underpowered. When it broke if you watched the video, it was under heavy throttle with a lot of boost (you could hear the turbo noise). The part was presumably designed for older engines with much less torque than the turbo engine has, and that would be my prediction of the reason for the failure.
I agree, but actually have an engineer on here explaining things not just hearsay. Like how the transcoolers work on these trucks and what is normal operating temperatures for the transmissions. Not just uneducated opinions.
It always make me laugh when you spend thousands and thousands and thousands, etc. on a product, and the manufacturer acts like they are doing something wonderful in fixing an issue under warranty. They should apologize to you for putting you through the trouble you’ve had.
Sounded like the truck should have been in 4low if it was as steep as they claimed. Pedal to the floor and only getting 12-15 mph? What was the total trailer weight? (Sorry if I missed it)
man I was really looking forward to this truck, absolutely surprised they are having these kinds of issues. I really wanted to order a Trailhunter but I am having second thoughts on this years release.
I think the Jeep Cherokee has the best gauge setup. And it allows the most info on the screen at the same time. Every time I rent a vehicle (about every 2 months), I end up comparing the info back to my Jeep and not one has yet to give me all the same info on one screen as my Jeep does.
Andre case-by-case basis basically means if you have a TH-cam channel on trucks we'll take really good care of you but if you have another case where you're just a private buyer and you don't have anything recorded or video of what happened and you do not have a TH-cam channel then you broke it you're on your own we'll fix it but you have to pay. That's the definition of case-by-case Equals favoritism and discriminating.
Thanks for the update. So, if I understand the gear sleeve was the issue. I have always been curious to see this particular sleeve in both a "failed state" and with normal wear and tear. I do not think this particular part has had any changes in the ADD system from 3G to 4G (?).
Everyday people in normal circumstances would be dealing with a dealer not Toyota directly. If you're having issues with your dealer go somewhere else. Check the dealers reviews before you buy.
@@DaleWilly Maybe especially since I DO, as a general rule, think that the Tacoma has a well-deserved history of quality and dependability. But I think Toyota fumbled the ball a bit with the Tacoma this time around. I still think the video was excellent and provided the kind of information all perspective mid-size pickup truck buyers need to make an informed decision on how to spend their hard-earned money. I may be way off the mark on this one, but I can see a bunch of recalls on the horizon for the 2024 Tacoma. If I'm wrong about the Tacoma it will not be first time I've chosen caution over handing over a chunk of money. Also, if I'm wrong, I may well have to pay a Toyota dealer in our area a visit later this year.
Check if it has something similar to DPF filter in the exhaust. I saw a mechanic video of pro and cons and the tundra has a exhaust filter system. Why? There is no regulations in gas engine having a filter and do a passive regen with fuel.
You guys broke it on not bad terrain and now take it easy and we dont know if it works in real world. Then trans nearly overheats on a small hill in very cool air 😮
I mean it broke, that's normal for new vehicle gens but the way toyota took care of the issue and really investigated what was happening was pretty impressive
You guys should do a neutral drop right there in the parking lot lol. It sounded like somethings snapped I wonder if they’ll get back with you on exactly what they found. Or will there be a recall?
I'm guessing if you paid them enough,plus were buddies with them,they would do the same for you. If I had a buddy that owned a business and my buddy wanted to sponsor some video's of mine, I would be willing to plug their business if they paid me to. And for the Right amount of money they wouldn't even have to be buddies.
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we want to see it tested again on the trail it broke first time!
Nice to see Toyota take care of a media outlet so well, but make no mistake, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that they would do the same for a consumer. No auto company would. It's like pulling teeth just to get recalls or warranty work done with these crooks 🙄
No it’s not 😂
I had a 2016 Tacoma for a very short time... In that time there was a TSB for something to do with the rear axle and drum brakes causing it to shudder when braking, and a TSB about transmission tuning because it was awful. Two different dealers basically denied the existence of the TSBs. Turned me off from the truck immediately. Everything has problems, its how the manufacture handles them that's important.
@@ShadowBendit's also dealer dependent too.
That might have been true a couple of years ago, but that hasn't been my experience recently. I had two outstanding recalls. I called the service department and they scheduled both for the same day. The dealership picked up my truck in the morning and returned it after lunch. No hassle and the valet service was complimentary. It would be better if we didn't have all these recalls, but that's the result of a world that lost its ever-loving mind a few years ago and the push to put more tech in vehicles.
@@bryaninnc5511 ford recalled 4.3 millions cars in 1971. Recalls have been happening for decades
Don’t take it so easy on this Tacoma. We need to know if this is going to be a widespread major problem. If we are spending $45k+ on a new truck we need to know the 4WD system isn’t going to fail first time out.
i would be more concerned about the transmission overheating. another mile and it would be crispy toast.
Why anyone would buy a 1st year new gen vehicle is insane but, these are the same people that HAVE to buy a new thing to say they have it first. Phones, cars, etc
Image if they did this test in the summer@@billw8476
Supposed to break under extreme conditions? That's exactly when you need things to NOT break.
New trucks just ain't it. Get yourself something with a solid front axle and full time 4WD if you want something that doesn't break in extreme conditions. ;)
It's meant to break before the transfer case, diff, transmission. It's a good design. What is not good is that it breaks so easily. Either there was a manufacturing defect with the part or the rest of the truck is so weak that the part has to be that easy to break.
I have a 2016 4Runner and live off grid. I have put that truck through hell many times. Hopefully it's a defect.
@@rundownaxe it might be cheaper to replace than the diff, transfer case or the transmission but the results are the same when you're out on a trail. This is why you don't purchase the newest of the new until the major kinks have been ironed out.
What I don’t understand is why you are doing this? Who would?
@@rundownaxemy understanding is it's a hold over part. Other utubers have put their Tacoma's on the same trail that the blue crush failed on, and had no issues. I've been watching the Tacoma forums and reddit groups and so far I don't see anyone else reporting a failure of the 4wd system. Now there are other issues like a connector in the front not being fully water tight causing moisture to get into the connector which throws errors in the dash, but that's it so far in terms of trending issues.
IT would be great to do a follow up video with chief engineer Sheldon as to whether this was a design, materials, or quality control issue, to put a lot of concerns to rest. I.e., what was the root cause and the corrective action going forward.
Seems like they were using shear pins that were too fragile for the application
You wont.. ever. Its a turd. And no one that actually worked on it, will come out and say it. Bet on it.
@@96kylarYou are clueless
There was no control quality issue, but user issue
That's hard to believe at least from the video. I had a 2013 Taco and it was certainly exposed to more driveline shock in the woods then what's visible in the video. If you can't have a little bit of wheel slippage while trying to traverse a rocky grade, something more is likely going on. SEems more likely that there may have been an assembly issue, a subspec material in the part, or under sized for the failure mode.@@DaleWilly
Good luck to anyone without a youtube channel getting that repair covered let alone get it fixed in 8 days. No thanks ill wait a few years to consider a new Tacoma
Huh? My repair was done in 3 days and covered. Love my Taco.
Theres a youtuber who thinks its because of poor workmanship in the mexico plant. The part that broke is a time tested 30 yr old part that shouldnt have broke apparently.
Yeah, this failure really had nothing to do with the new platform. Stuff happens, that’s what a warranty is for.
toyo fanboys can’t comprehend decline of the tacoma
@DeepDishPizza Toyota dealer near me tried to deny faulty shocks/springs on my 2022 TRD OR under warranty w/16k. Was 100% driveable just squeaking and grinding. Took them over 3 weeks to accept responsibility. Never off road just regular street driving. Are parts readily available yet for the 2024? Or did Toyota prioritize this repair? My guess is they did no questions asked.
It saddens me to know that if this was just a regular person that had this truck they definitely either 1. Not gotten the truck back in at least a month 2. Toyota would have said nope, not fixing it because you were hard core offroading. What saved TFL was their connection to Toyota corporate and the fact that they were filming everything.
Not true at all and stop spreading misinformation like it’s fact. No vehicle is meant to be “off-road”. Most vehicles are built to be capable of doing it at a certain extent (ie: you happen to cross a wet dirt road/snow/dirt/etc, that’s where the. 4x4 or lockers comes in)… if you end up rock crawling and happen to damage the truck then it’s your fault. Be smart and use the truck how it was intended. Pushing it “hard-core” is NOT one of them.
@@C_H_U_ cope harder
Regarding the “case by case” warranty coverage for off road problems, I guess we will all need to constantly film ourselves so that Toyota can’t deny claims.
They won't deny claims; they don't work that way
The only reason they know it was off road is because they filmed it and it was clearly a low effort situation for the truck. That kind of break could happen anywhere.
The only way I would see denied warrenty for off road use is if it's caked in mud or has damaged skid plates. The trail they were on would not leave that kind of easily noticeable signs of hard use.
@@DaleWillylol, I'm reading the replies... the defender status you have adopted is cute. People have their views for a reason and you trying to tell them their experiences are invalid is hilarious. Dealer in disguise. Take deep breaths.
I've never had a warranty denied from a vehicle manufacturer as long as you don't go in there with something completely beat up showing the reason why it broke.
@@DaleWilly LOL Toyota dealers have definitely worked that way. One guy with a 3rd gen was denied coverage for a busted rear diff because the dealer claimed it was 'abuse'. Asked how they concluded that and they said there was mud all over the underside of the truck.
Okay, PLEASE start doing more videos towing up this hill or a similar hill! These slow torture climbs actually represent a large part of my towing as I tow up a steep and winding mountain road up here in the Rocky Mountains.
yeah take the land rovers and that gernader
Andre absolutely should make this tow in 4WD LOW. That way he'd suddenly have much greater wheel torque applied to all 4 & we'd see if it failed again. Also the torque converter might stay locked & not produce so much transmission heat. I've driven up highway 158 outside Eden UT up to Powder Mountain Resort, that road is paved & consistent 14% grade. The times I've driven my underpowered 2007 4.6 F150 4X4 std. cab work truck up in low range it feels like your flying up vs. in high range
2-miles and the transmission almost overheated...!?!?!? Foot to the floor...!?!? Not good, in my opinion, on both counts.
This road is *no joke*. After a group wheeling day a few years ago, coming down this road we hit ice and two built monster FJs slid into the ditch and had to be recovered.
Great road to take in the summer when we're trying to get back from Switzerland Trail quickly, but in the winter no thanks lol
If anyone had any questions you proved it--an underpowered 4 cylinder turbo CAN haul a minor load and the transmission will barely overheat and the 4 wd may not break! Quite an accomplishment!
Run the 3rd gen with the 3.5 V6, it would have been worse. Your point?
Roman logic:
300$ brake controller= expensive
55-75k truck= cheap
PS. Love ya Roman! Just poking some fun!
Roman says you’re not wrong
To be fair... if you're paying 50-75k for a truck, it's should have a damn brake controller. It cost a couple hundred aftermarket... a dealer could and SHOULD offer it STANDARD. It's a truck!
the aftermarket one seems expensive for what you get
@@craigquann I think they don't because a large portion of truck buyers are looking for luxury, not a workhorse. The truck market is not what it was even 10yrs ago.
@palebeachbum sure, but they still offer "tow packages" that don't always include a brake booster. It's stupid. Literally bought a 2017 sierra that had the provisions for a brake controller. It cost me $100 for an aftermarket one (from the dealer) that was pretty much plug n play. There's zero reason not to considering all the useless shit they do add.
You guys know how steep that hill is, and being unsure of the road conditions with that weight, you really should have just used low range from the get go. Glad you are taking the Tacoma right back out and testing it tho!! Looking forward to the rest of this series!
It would be really nice if Toyota would show what part broke. Maybe they would even let you guys go down and make a video of it.
The trans would have overheated in summer temp's. Not good to see.
I was thinking a re-test in the summer might be prudent.
Nobody that know anything would drive that way , any trans would get heated the way they are driving up a slow no airflow hill ! Youd be in 4 low and take your time.
The newer transmissions run much hotter. Nothing to worry about.
For sure. It's only 50F and the transmission temp is peaking that much? Big question now is, just what exactly does this truck excel at other than a good mall run? A lot of money to spend for debatable returns.....
@@cwqrpportable It’s a dummy gage, it was actually nowhere near overheating. It uses a transmission warmer and cooler that uses engine coolant which stays around 200 degrees. It wouldn’t have made any difference. If it was pulling more it would have gone into a lower gear.
LMAO! It's like watching an old couple out for a drive! Andre, what's it like with a nanny in the passenger seat? LOL! All in fun guys and good to see what it's like, in real life, with the new Taco.
Gaaawd damn. Just spit out my coffee laughing at "IT'S A REVERSE GUILLOTINE!" - really caught me off guard... well done!! AHHAHAHAA
Can you do this same test with the Chevy Colorado? Considering it has a better tow capacity, I’m curious how it does with temp. Is that video anywhere?
Not sure why it matters that it is an early production truck unless Toyota has replaced the part that broke with a more robust part on subsequent production.
Go ahead and spend 50k and be the test dummy for all of us then
Toyota engineers flew out to the oilfield to investigate a rattle on my tundras seat. They replace the whole thing and that’s the only time Iv used a Toyota warranty in 20 years.
Appreciate you all not doing a break out video about what actually broke so I couldnt find it
Shocked Mountain States got anything fixed that fast.
I doubt a regular guy would get the same warranty service that TFL got
Record everytime you go off roading. Lol
Isn't that insane? And they literally market it as "TRD Offroad"... but you can't use it offroad lol Toyota is falling behind
Would have like to see the broken part and inside the diff......
So now you have to call this one dirt gauntlet.
Now this has to be part of your towing tests !!! Do it !!! Lol
You guys are my "go to guys" for all vehicle information. Thank you!!!!
Nice to see a Taco Ma sporting a baby Honda truck!😊
This is the problem with all these new modern electronic activated system, it's not meant to resist much of anything. Like he stated, there's a fuse meant to blow.... They could have made it a resettable circuit and over engerniered the parts not to break and the first little amount of throttle/wheel slip...
Nothing is overengineered anymore. Its engineered just enough to last till warranty is out. Sometimes not even that.
Roman's fly being open in the beginning is hilarious.
I'm not going to question why you were paying so much attention to that area 🤔
@@christianfrome5437 What can I say. (Though Roman isn’t my type) 😂
The more New Tacoma vids yall make the higher the resell value of the 3rd gens 😂
Actually its worse. Cause the 3rd gen has the weakest engine in all generations of tacoma and wouldnt have mad that climb
The generation 3 Tacoma would have made it, just slower. Even a Prius can make it. @@beexiong2995
That tacoma seems pretty bad, 4wd blew up in a little ice and now the transmission overheats towing a tiny truck... imagine what would've happened towing that load in the summer when it's 90 degrees.
But trd jon says Toyota has tested it for a million miles so it's bulletproof
You don’t know how modern transmission coolers work. They cool off of engine coolant. It keeps the transmission warmer in the winter so it shifts properly. The engine coolant stays at 200 degrees whether it’s Summer or Winter. Even at max load and 120 degrees outside the transmission temperature would only be a few degrees warmer.
It is NOT bad, it is just user error so stop trolling
You are pretty dumb. Towing conditions weren't even ideal. It's basically steep service road. Muddy at that. No 2wd would have made it up there. That should tell you everything.
@user-tb7rn1il3q On 4WD 24-7, their 2021 4WD Ute Comparison explained how modern transmission oil coolers work. Modern trucks that have a transmission cooler also have a thermal bypass that doesn't allow the transmission oil to be cooled until it reaches a minimum temperature. However you want to keep the transmission temperature as low as possible so you either have to replace the thermal bypass with an aftermarket part or install a larger transmission cooler that allows transmission oil to always run through the cooler.
You guys have the coolest job
11:40 Man, I need that garage door too!
Glad they got it fixed so quick for y'all!
lol
Eight days is not quick.
@@DavidsAdventuresAndBuildsthat’s quick compared to to non-TH-camrs
@@benruthlessburger8905has NOTHING to do with it
@@DaleWillyyou tell them Señor commando
“Taco” and man-buns go together
I do enjoy a good taco!
Yes you can get a trailer brake controller installed after purchase of the vehicle I had 2 years ago when I bought a chevy silverado I had to add a trailer brake controller to it so I had to leave it at the dealership overnight for them to do that it was 800 bucks.
I towed about 5500lbs a few days ago with my 22 Frontier Pro-4X and was totally impressed. Most of the 60 mile I-95 drive it hovered around 2K rpms, the transmission stayed cool, and I got almost 16mph while towing. I was truly impressed. The new Taco with the recent front drive ADD break and the four banger struggling with a trailer reassures me I picked the right new midsize truck!
Be careful you don’t break that Tacoma; word is they’re all show and no go.
The v6 option would have been really nice. Not everybody likes turbos
I live at 5,300ft and go over a 9,200ft pass to work each week, I for one LOVE the idea of not losing power at altitude like I do in my RAV4 (N/A V6). I also go back to CO and will like it better at altitudes even higher. I'll be picking up my Colorado ZR2 this weekend, and I'm sure I'll be plenty happy with it.
The V6 would have the engine and trans overheat
They had 20 people work on fixing truck!! These are not real world outcomes for the normal consumer.
Feel free not to be gentle with the Tacoma, if it has any more issues with normal to light use (which most of us consider the previous video/issue), we need to know about it. Who was flying the drone? I hope it survived it's little trip into the trees. Oh and any Part 1/ Part 2 video series needs to be on the same channel, who idea was it to split them up on different channels? You were offroad alot on this video.
Getting the Toyota repaired would have been such a nightmare for anyone who doesn't have a TH-cam channel. Thanks guys for the transparency with this whole process. Hard to believe that transmission almost overheated. You definitely need to redo this video in the summer. I don't think I'd buy one of these this year. They need to reinforce some parts and put a transmission cooler on them.
They should have let the Japanese design / build it.
Nathan: "That's like a reverse guillotine" lol.
Toyota engineers were holding their breath throughout the course of this video. If anything else were to break they might as well resign the next day 😆
Toyota’s Sense of Urgency is clear in this Context - Crystal Clear Toyota - And Toyota shares the Heck with USAF Veteran’s Immaculate Tundra and His Safety - Kilmer’s: Tundra Falling Apart Video & Reading Early 1st Gen 2000-2003 Tundra Frame Replacement FAQ & Other Tundra Forums- Wow - Grew up with Toyotas and Lexus and Have Owned them for many years… Not the same company it used to be….
What in the actual hell did I just attempt to read?
I never thought tacomas were anything more than a car with a bed on it. with an NA V6 and rear leafs that sag when you put the surfboard and the golf bag in the bed. If you’re buying a Tacoma to tow you are not we’ll informed on vehicles. They’re great for going to the beach and the mountains cabin but anything else forget about it.
Yeah, I don’t understand why you’d look to a mid size for any serious towing
Want to tow heavy? Buy heavy!
Midsize don’t have any payload to spare.. at least here in America.
Yeah but it broke in a trail a Subaru forester could handle.
Low range is fine for this. It is one of the best uses for it. It would be like asking a Semi truck to never use the low/hi switch.
Surprised a shear pin didn't break😅 When are you going to take it 4 wheeling? Like really 4 wheeling?
I would Much prefer having a 4WD system where I had to get out of the truck and lock in the hubs manually. Those systems were more reliable and cost less to repair.
It seems like after 100K miles or so the electronically controlled 4WD systems with automatic locking hubs just aren’t as durable and cost a small fortune to repair / replace.
I’m all about things that lasted longer and were cheaper to repair / replace.
Also you have to repeat this extreme tow test with the cybertruck!
Quizás el video mas esperado por todo aquel que tiene planes de comprar una tacoma, gracias por compartir toda la historia
I'm sure it pulls, just wonder how much life it takes out of the turbo
Semi trucks pull millions of miles a day on turbos
@@Weatherby406 yeah diesel. Apples to oranges bro
He said he had it to the floor, and it didnt even move. But hey, the trans got hot as shit, so thats a bonus.
@@Weatherby406 You are lost in the sauce, arent ya boss.
@@Weatherby406your ignorance is showing. Google is your friend
Lived at the top of Lick Skillet for a few years in the early 90’s. It’s a feat to go up or down it with no trailer.
I had one of the first third gen Tacoma, a 2016, and Toyota fixed a lot of things, including a new rear end, for me without hassle. They will do the same for you, it's the law.
I fell in Love with the tiny JDM trucks and wanted one so bad, in West Virginia you can license them for the road. A friend had a Daihatsu/Toyota, I found out I’m not skinny enough to drive one, get behind the wheel comfortably and the lil 3 cylinder sounded tortured the whole time I was in it, spent the money I would have spent on it on a 23 F150, designed for well fed Americans like me!🤣😂🤣😂
Are you a bot?
@@96kylar I don’t think so, are you?
@@96kylar nope
Should you have been in 4lo? Transmission getting that hot makes me wonder does this truck not have an external transmission cooler?
Pretty sure halftons and down don’t have transmission coolers. All the manufacturers got rid of them.
For me it was a face palm moment when they were talking about how steep the hill was, and then said they don't need four low. This is a perfect situation for four low especially as it's a dirt road. 100% would have done a better job in four low.
@@agentcarderpretty much every car/truck without an external transmission cooler has one built into the radiator.
Great video guys. You really tested limits of this Tacoma towing, and it wasn't even at full towing capacity. Good to know things like this. Also, to the people saying that Toyota wouldn't have covered this repair under warranty... I think they would've covered it. Unless it's obvious negligent behavior.
That thing Almost over heated on that short trail with a light load 😂
@@Adriangee818 it was a very steep hill. And it was the transmission. That's why it's good to know!! LOL.
@@mitchstein288 they had the frontier pulling a fjcruiser on steep hill to
I used to use Takonsha controllers; my current truck is the first one I’ve had with factory controller. One of them quit working when I was pulling through Atlanta on a Friday night, thank the Lord the truck brakes barely held their own.
"We're gonna do 2 things today 'pop'.."
#1: 4wheel
#2: walk home
Let’s see this in again in the summer 😂
Now, maybe it can shell the rear differential, too! Matching repaired diffs in a brand new truck!
Love TFL channels, but splitting one story over multiple channels is irritating for your viewers. I spent way too much time hinting down the different parts to this story when it could have been on one channel.
I got in a argument with one of the TFL fan boys on there video (Will it break) in the video BEFORE this one!! I would LOVE for those TFL fan boys to see this video!!. This is what i said on that videos comment section................Is the A.D.D really what broke OR was it something else since they are in good with Toyota? Notice how they do not go in depth about the problem.........hmmmmmmmmmm. My value of my 2023 Tacoma Sport is still going up even though they fixed it. My V6 will always have more value than that 4 banger. I JUST LOVE how the transmission almost over heating on something that should NOT make it over heat. That load was not that bad BUT the whole thing is laughable. The 2023 Tacoma is better than $ in the bank compared to the clown show of the 2024 Tacoma!! Every week is more bad news coming out on this channel and others!! i just bought a BIG popcorn machine and i will be making popcorn and REALLY enjoying the show of this crappy 2024 Tacoma that they built! I also JUST LOVE how Toyota said they will replace the front diff if it breaks on a "case by case basis", lol. That is backing quality right there for you...........HA HA HA! They replaced the old front diff WITH THE EXACT CRAPPY FRONT FRONT DIFF THAT BROKE THE FIRST TIME!! You cannot make this stuff up at this point!! You do not have a big channel like them and do you thing yours will be covered...........give me a break. They will let the problem exist for a longgggggggggggg time and THEN MAYBE do a re-call on it. Mean while you are stuck with the piece of junk and a BIG bill for it too, lol. I have a 2013 Ford F150 with 140,000 as my every day drive and work truck AND i have a 2023 Tacoma Sport that sits in the garage most of the time and i drive it around when i want to show it off. It cannot do 1/3 of what my Ford can do so it just sits and looks pretty.
Your truck with a puny camry engine would not even make it up that tow. It struggles to pull itself empty 😂
You can bet Toyota is sweeping the real problem under the rug, back when they weren’t out yet the chief engineer had lack of transparency and wouldn’t let us know how much they truly tested these trucks, also that engine was quick to overheat up that small trail, the new Tacoma also has active grill mechanism that’s malfunctioning causing CEL and overheating problems
That little truck needs a better trans cooler. Wow, that would be brutal in warm weather. I feel better and better about my Ram 1500 V6 purchase as i looked really heavily at the new Tacoms. It's my new everyday truck and weekend hauler. It's been doing fantastic. Just need to keep the rusties away with undercoating. The sheet metal isn't as good as my old Dodge.
A N/A v6 with 10 spd transmission would be ideal... guess that's why the Nissan Frontier still exsists.
Yeah cause 10 gears is too many. You only use 1-4 for towing
Any reason you picked the Ram over the Frontier?
The new tacomas also has a active grill that functions to cool down that fast heating engine, these active grills are also malfunctioning on some new tacomas
Roman's face when it is broken 😂😂😂😂
You just get the vibe with these videos the new Tacoma is somewhat fragile and underpowered which is unfortunate. If enough of these get out in the market and underperform for consumers long term if we’ll see them put the Tundra V6 in future versions?
That engine won't fit very easily; the Tundra is a bit wider.
On the contrary, the problem is that it's not underpowered. When it broke if you watched the video, it was under heavy throttle with a lot of boost (you could hear the turbo noise). The part was presumably designed for older engines with much less torque than the turbo engine has, and that would be my prediction of the reason for the failure.
Underpowered and quick to overheat
@@rudolphna54It’s only 4 cylinders. It’s underpowered.
This is like watching a TFL soap opera- TBC 😂
I would like to see that test in the summer when it's in the mid to high 80's. I think the trans. would over heat. ..........JUST SAYING..........
I agree, but actually have an engineer on here explaining things not just hearsay. Like how the transcoolers work on these trucks and what is normal operating temperatures for the transmissions. Not just uneducated opinions.
Your flys down! 0:37
It always make me laugh when you spend thousands and thousands and thousands, etc. on a product, and the manufacturer acts like they are doing something wonderful in fixing an issue under warranty. They should apologize to you for putting you through the trouble you’ve had.
Exactly how did Toyota act since I missed the part where they appeared?
Sounded like the truck should have been in 4low if it was as steep as they claimed. Pedal to the floor and only getting 12-15 mph? What was the total trailer weight? (Sorry if I missed it)
they said 5,000 pounds
man I was really looking forward to this truck, absolutely surprised they are having these kinds of issues. I really wanted to order a Trailhunter but I am having second thoughts on this years release.
I wouldn’t even buy a base model with these issues. Too much penny pinching.
What would be a healthy speed up that hill in 4-low? And would it keep better temperatures?
Please do this with the 24or later GMC Canyon! would absolutely love to get a Direct/close up comparison of these 2 trucks!
I'm picking up my '24 Colorado ZR2 this weekend, in blue.
I think the Jeep Cherokee has the best gauge setup. And it allows the most info on the screen at the same time. Every time I rent a vehicle (about every 2 months), I end up comparing the info back to my Jeep and not one has yet to give me all the same info on one screen as my Jeep does.
Andre case-by-case basis basically means if you have a TH-cam channel on trucks we'll take really good care of you but if you have another case where you're just a private buyer and you don't have anything recorded or video of what happened and you do not have a TH-cam channel then you broke it you're on your own we'll fix it but you have to pay. That's the definition of case-by-case Equals favoritism and discriminating.
Thanks for the update. So, if I understand the gear sleeve was the issue. I have always been curious to see this particular sleeve in both a "failed state" and with normal wear and tear. I do not think this particular part has had any changes in the ADD system from 3G to 4G (?).
driven up that road a few times and it's a workout without towing!
NOT
@@DaleWillyso what's your experience then
"These gauges are Sh**!!" Lmao!
Great video guys! Glad y'all had the issue fixed and the Tacoma was able to handle uphill climbing while towing. Close call though 🤔
Professional skepticism!
Toyota does not give a single shit about everyday people. If this was my truck, I wouldn’t see it back from the dealership for at least a month.
Yea but they would give you a loaner.
umm yes they do so stop spreading false bs troll
@@DaleWillycaptain defendo to the rescue.
Everyday people in normal circumstances would be dealing with a dealer not Toyota directly. If you're having issues with your dealer go somewhere else. Check the dealers reviews before you buy.
one of my favorite episodes. andre finally has enough seniority to make Roman take the shit truck and Roman has started assimilating Andres "Yes..."
Thanks for this excellent video.....As a General Public Truck Buyer, you just convinced me NOT TO BUY a a 2024 Tacoma.
Your loss
@@DaleWilly Maybe especially since I DO, as a general rule, think that the Tacoma has a well-deserved history of quality and dependability. But I think Toyota fumbled the ball a bit with the Tacoma this time around. I still think the video was excellent and provided the kind of information all perspective mid-size pickup truck buyers need to make an informed decision on how to spend their hard-earned money. I may be way off the mark on this one, but I can see a bunch of recalls on the horizon for the 2024 Tacoma. If I'm wrong about the Tacoma it will not be first time I've chosen caution over handing over a chunk of money. Also, if I'm wrong, I may well have to pay a Toyota dealer in our area a visit later this year.
Great video!
Like nesting dolls, there's a video within a video within a video 😂
Best part of breaking video is you can see Chevy waiting in the front lol
Check if it has something similar to DPF filter in the exhaust. I saw a mechanic video of pro and cons and the tundra has a exhaust filter system. Why? There is no regulations in gas engine having a filter and do a passive regen with fuel.
You guys broke it on not bad terrain and now take it easy and we dont know if it works in real world. Then trans nearly overheats on a small hill in very cool air 😮
So taco 24 fixed or will it give out?
Not really impressed with the new Taco, or Colorado…Think I’ll go with the new Ranger xlt w/the 2.7
Where is David? We haven’t seen him in a while. He provides great content. I think that his name is been a while since I seen him on the channel.
I mean it broke, that's normal for new vehicle gens but the way toyota took care of the issue and really investigated what was happening was pretty impressive
My 1995 Ram Cummins pulls 11,000 pounds up a 5,000’ mountain at 55mph. These gassers are just toys 😂
Those are half-ton numbers by today's standards
So if you want a new truck, maybe get a Frontier right now?
Frontier had a recall straight out the door with their new model that was only minor.
You guys should do a neutral drop right there in the parking lot lol. It sounded like somethings snapped I wonder if they’ll get back with you on exactly what they found. Or will there be a recall?
poor Andre that looked stressful. i recommend some tension tamer tea use 2 bags .
Lmao at the law firm sticker and constant plugs.
I'm guessing if you paid them enough,plus were buddies with them,they would do the same for you. If I had a buddy that owned a business and my buddy wanted to sponsor some video's of mine, I would be willing to plug their business if they paid me to. And for the Right amount of money they wouldn't even have to be buddies.
They have to pay the bills. YT doesn't pay what it use to. They need sponsors.
@@AJourneyOfYourSoulI get that but a law firm?
It’s like watching a Guy Ritchie movie with flashbacks 😂