So fascinating to know that so many of the goofy failed aircraft designs i've seen over the years from the dawn of aviation where actually real technologies so radically ahead of their time, they simply didn't have computers to control them or materials to make them fully operational. Theory is important, but computational ability and materials are forever the gateway to application when dealing with complex technologies.
Wow I was having similar thoughts at a point in this video too, That there are many concepts that can be actualized but having the control and material properties to do so depends on access to resources and organizational properties of society functioning sufficiently.
it's not just aircraft, Elon Musk has made his living from using other ideas that were ahead of their time, Electric cars were first invented in 1890, the first self driving car in the 1980's and the hyperloop concept is from 1799 with the Vactrain, i wouldn't be surprised if they were reimaginings of prior attempts too
Lol its not ahead of its time. Its taken Decades of technological advancements to make materials that can barely sustain these things from exploding. N even then are so inefficient. Trust me when i say these will never amount to anything more than hover tech n personal use like an electric scooter... which is fun sure. But if youre expecting to revolutionize flight? Think again. These are basically propellers. Think how fast a turbine spins. Just to stream air. To prevent boundary layer congesting with back flow pressures. These generate a turbulent vortex in the middle. Thats translating straight to center of mass. That turbulent vortex is the same thing as back pressure flow. Which is preventing smooth flow. While That allows for stability. that stability is the opposite of smooth flowing thrust. If they can get one to lift a person. Itll wear parts out so fast that its just a money pit for a novelty flight theory.
You forgot to say simple, because it appears to be far, faar from mechanically simple, even compared to a helicopter it seems way too complex for what you get out of it. Also those vane net guards are the stupidest thing ever, there goes an easy 30%++ of all the thrust with all that air trying to push through the turbulence created.. Just take the grill off yor pedestal fan and feel the extraordinary increase in the fan force, this thing's moronic just on that metric alone, also note not one drone has a 'vane guard' installed -- cos they probably wouldn't get off the ground!
Good descriptive video on the Cyclorotor technology. It's really interesting to see the long history of this technology also! Really well done - Thanks for this!!
@@suprememasteroftheuniverse A couple CGI illustrations but mostly real video. These things can fly. But they're horribly inefficient and not very practical for much of anything.
with so much frontal area on all those rotors and big spinning mass cant be all that efficient. but there always an be niche use for it such as urban rescue vehicle i suppose... oh or wait... that rotor can extent and is actually wheel most of them time... what a great concept for sci-fi movie.
One of the bigger difficulties with making a flying car is making something that will run on land and air. And I think this thing could fix that. Or at the very least give us a direction to go.
There are so many inventions and ideas that need to be revisited. We have so much more ability to accomplish things with the knowledge and materials we have to work with.
Thank you very much for this video. You have combined worldspanning history and modern technological advancement into a short, understandable and captivating lesson. very well done.
As a former helicopter mechanic, I got a chuckle out of the "It's not used because it fails to generate lift if it fails to spin". I seem to recall a similar issue with rotary wing aricraft. On a more serious note, I'm wondering if something could be designed in to allow "auto rotation" similar to a helicopter?
IS GREAT IN THESE YEARS THAT WE LOOK AT OLDER TECHNOLOGY'S WITH THE COMPUTERS AND CUTTING EDGE LIGHTER BUILDING MATERIALS THESE TECHNOLOGIES THAT HAVE BEEN SHELVED DESERVE ANOTHER LOOK AND COULD BE A DRIVING FORCE IN THE FUTURE. GOOD SHOW HATS OFF
Outstanding report & concepts. My only hope is, when this technology is developed for consumer use- a method of communication safety will be foolproof, as some of the same people who have not mastered the simple task of using blinkers while driving cars will be navigating above our homes & our heads.
@@direstrait5418 Definitely but that's not an issue. I'll get a pilots license one day despite the costs. I think its good as we don't want idiots flying around so having money be an additional barrier of entry, on top of serious examinations and training, is a good thing.
Yes it has higher lift coefficient. I wasnt able to get through the full literature and therefore I will cover the higher lift advantage in another video
@@stevenbalderstone709 parasitic at high speed most likely. But as a VTOL you would be more concerned with lift dependent induced drag. And spinner tips are enclosed. Would love to see more about this in lot more technical detail.
Safety and manoeuvrability seem to be the other ones. Landing helicopters in anything but flat open spaces is very complicated. But these blades are compact and enclosed. It looks like it could take a few low speed impacts without the blades breaking and flying all over the place.
@@johnroutledge9220 4 rotating drums with a connection on one end can't take an impact, it would skew off center very easily and the loss of alignment would do the rest, by that I mean blow itself apart 10x worse then a runaway wind turbine. It's as fragile as F.. Like this -----> th-cam.com/video/vrT1t7uK1fs/w-d-xo.html
Looks like a good idea. I dont particularly like the way it looks however , if it's lifting capacity , durability in weather conditions , power consumption , computer controlled navigation and safety features in case of failure are sufficient enough to safely transport a family of 4 to a destination of at least 100 miles at an altitude of of at least 200-300 ft above any given tree top and doesnt cost $250,000 then Let's get this thing going.
@@rip8641 What about auto-rotation? Isn't that sufficient redundancy for an unpowered emergency landing? I could imagine, once the various dynamic blade profile configurations have been explored, that such a feature wouldn't be outside the realms of possibility for this type of lift mechanism - although, perhaps, far less effective than a standard helo.
@@rip8641 a helicoptor can land perfectly fine with 0 engine power. It's done by tilting the rotor collective to dig into the air to get it spinning fast, then you put collective up right before touching the ground to shed off the velocity. th-cam.com/video/BTqu9iMiPIU/w-d-xo.html
I was thinking the same at first, but there's too much damage that could happen. It would be better to have a clutch like system to engage roadwheels instead of the blade axles.
This may be off topic, but someone might find it interesting.Over unity electric generator. By AMA. Segment 1: 1 motor with bar connected to it standing vertically. Circular disc connected to bar that has magnets embedded in it surrounded in high permeability material to focus magnets outward pushing force in an upwards direction from top of disc. Segment 2: Hollowed out cylindrical Bar of material horizontally positioned. Flat hollowed out ring shaped material with openings around its outer top flat edge. Magnets surrounded in high permeability material embedded in these openings. Magnets positioned in openings around ring are in at least 1 of 2 configurations either all N magnetic field pushing out or N,S,N,S all around it. Just depends on whether your going for Piston structure or spinning structure explained below & whether you want it to be DC or AC current. Place these all along the cylindrical bar connected to it solidly, except at far ends of bar. At both ends of bar place ring of material that can be magnetically repelled in specific locations. (magnetically repelled in specific location is in reference to outside of ring area that faces away from center of bar)(Other side of same ring facing in towards center of bar is capable of being magnetically repelled all around) Ring must be connected solidly to bar. points of repulsion on these rings is off set from each other on each end of bar. 3 Hollow ring structures with small square bars protruding from each. Ring structure has all magnetic repulsion on inside of ring shape & can rap around the main bar so that the bar wont be causing friction on things as it moves back and forth or spins. 1st positioned around far left of bar, 2nd position at center of bar (be sure to leave enough room for magnetic structures to be able to move back and forth without hitting it) & 3rd positioned on far right of bar. Tube structure is constructed in two parts that fit together on top of each other length wise over main structure. Tube structure has 3 square openings for the bars that the Ring structures that are connected around the main bar keeping it from causing friction on structure, to slide into. This tube structure is designed with material that does not block magnetic fields. Perhaps some type of transparent material glass or other. At both ends of the tube structure there is a built in circular groove that will house a round disc. The ceiling/floor/left side/& right side of groove has openings for small magnets to be embedded in it, so that the pushing force from magnets is pushing in towards the edge of disc that goes in this spot. There is also 4 openings located on the top, bottom, left & right positions of the open groove. Small magnets are placed in these spots so when round disc is in position these magnetic fields will hit sideways keeping it from generating friction against structure. Far Ends of bar has Cap structure that screws over tube halves holding them together. Cap structure also has 4 points on inside top, bottom, left & right that have openings. These openings have small embedded magnets in them that exert there pushing force outwards (sideways) so it will keep disc in position, generating no friction against structure. Cap is made of material like tube so it does not block magnetic fields. (Note: These magnets in groove and cap structure are only needed for piston design. If Disc is directly connected to main bar so as it spins the bar spins, magnets are not needed here). The disc has ring around it (ring of material goes around outer edge and folds over front side & backside a small distance) that is repelled by magnetic fields so the 12 small magnets will keep it lined up but it will be able to spin without causing friction on structure. The disc has openings on it's flat side that face inside of tube and magnets surrounded in high permeability material are embedded in this disc. The disc has small bar that is connected to it's center that goes all the way to the other end of bar structure through the center of the hollowed out bar and connects to disc on other end. Disc on other end is set up the same but magnets embedded in it are off set in comparison. As first disc spins the magnetic fields will push against specific spot on disc connected directly to bar, pushing bar in other direction, once bar is fully pushed over, further spinning of disc will then align the other sides magnet to push it back. Tube structure also has half moon shaped protrusion on inside and on both halves so when tube is connected they line up to make a full ring shape on inside of tube, these half moon shaped protrusions have at least 1 small round opening on it's side in middle of curve that faces away from center of bar. The opening has a small magnet embedded in it so magnetic force is repelling out sideways away from center of bar. The protruding ring is positioned to line up slightly further in towards center of bar then the ring of magnetically repelled material connected directly to bar. This way when bar moves right or left it is magnetically stopped after a short distance. Copper coil setup: Copper coils are wound in at least 1 of 2 ways. Either coiled in circles next to each other (Like if you wound coils around a cylindrical bar) or laid out in a row as if wire was on flat table going up then bent to go down & back up until it formed a flat rectangle of wire bending up and down and then the entire structure folded around tube. Copper windings are then lined up perpendicular to magnetic fields on outside of tube. Ends of copper coils are connected into separate construct that will allow electrical current to flow somewhere else. Circular construct is built like a stand that goes around the outside of motor segment. Circular construct has flat ring of high permeability (magnetic field shielding) material that has small openings that will allow magnetic fields through specific locations. Top of circular construct has groove to allow the horizontal bar to balance on. Circular construct can also be placed on other end of bar so it is balanced. The motor segment is positioned so the disc connected to the bar that is connected to the motor is lined up so the disc passes under the horizontal bars disc that is at end of horizontal bar. The high permeability material keeps the magnetic fields in disc from hitting into the disc that spins or pushes the horizontal bar until just the right moment when the impact will cause the disc in horizontal bar to spin which will perpetuate the piston motion in the horizontal bar. More horizontal bars of the same design are built and positioned around the motor segment in a circular horizontal fashion all the way around. The bar connected to the motor can be increased in length to desired height (As much as motor can handle) and more of the exact same setup is repeated higher and higher up, maximizing the over unity potential of the construct to ridiculous proportions. :D Current from the horizontal bars is diverted to power the motor as needed and all other current is diverted to power my game console or the world. :) Interesting variation to this design would be to connect the spinning discs on far ends of horizontal bar to main bar that magnets are connected to so the magnets spin instead of getting pistoned back and forth. So long as moving magnetic fields are perpendicular to copper wires it should work. By AMA
Interesting technology! I wonder how it reacts in the mountains, where downdrafts happen as cold air falls from the Rockies. It may not be as susceptible to the downdraft pressure? Capable of gaining altitude to travel through the mountains.
There must be very hi angular accelerations when the blade is rotated which would create enormous stresses in the blade. What rotational speeds have been achieved?
hmm base on wiki, the lift force of magus effect scale with the cylinder radius square while scale with cylinder length linearly. assuming the mass of the rotating surface is 2*pi*radius*cylinder_length*surface_thickness*density_of_surface_material. For the same equivalent mass, a low aspect ratio thin rotating disk will have much higher lift than a thin rotating cylinder. IE: twice the radius will give you 4 times the lift, while twice the cylinder length will only give you twice the lift. And since mass scale linearly with either radius and cylinder length, it's better to have a thin rotating disk. Of course induce drag will be higher due to the low aspect ratio, but it's a trade off between drag and lift. But it's kind of weird all these magus effect lift device all design as thin cylinder instead of thin disk, greatly reduce the magus lift effect.
i agree the future leap will be not using mechanical engines to create an air flow force, instead is using counterforce to the gravity using magnetic fields.
Interesting, but i do focus more on bladeless engine(s), because you can simply tilt them for VTOL and when the engine dies (or loses power), the aircraft does have still a number of "wing"areas for gliding down more safely.
How I see this: A square wheel was invented long time ago. There were many attempts to build a square-wheeled bicycle and all of them failed. But modern technology finally allowed to build one! Using carbon fibre composite frame and unconventional suspension, the engineers created a model with 5 kg payload capacity. Yes, it still barely moves but it has such a high potential and has some advantages on difficult terrain.
Perhaps it would not be as efficient, but niche use (such as it being extra-quiet compared to helicopters) is likely to see it used in specialized circumstances. That, plus it's just looks fun and novel. :)
so what about magnetically charged gyros or magnetic railing like a maglev but using magnetic thrust on the gyros.? could be combo magnetic rail and gaussing recharge. so why can't the vibrational energy be used to create offset torq through a drive shaft or something?
I like the flight time and range number of this vehicle.. starting to get up to useful figures. Looking at the final renderings, would it not be better to have the Cyclos further apart in the airframe? It would, in my understanding, provide more stability, as well as a better and more responsive moment arm for maneuvering the craft, right?
It will be a trade-off between stability and weight. The further apart the cyclorotors, the larger the frame will be, the heavier the aircraft ends up. That will require larger rotors, then later engines, and that also adds weight.
Thank you for another great video! I would love to see a video about alternative energy carriers to batteries. Power-to-gas will be a big thing in energy storage, but what has a chance to make it into aviation? Airbus seems to be into hydrogen, but the low volumetric energy density seems like a big impediment. Metanisation would be a great alternative if there was an effective way to grab CO2 out of the atmosphere. Amonia seems like a good alternative since you just need (renewable) energy, nitrogen (from air) and hydrogen (from water) to make it and the energy density is decent. Also you can run it through a fuel cell to get electricity. What is your opinion about amonia for electric aviation?
I cannot say. You seem to know more about ammonia. I will be however doing a video where I will compare battery with fuel cell and also a range extender (ICE generator), and look at the flight times of various electric aircrafts
I think you would be the better judge. Here is a link to a seemingly credible lecture on ammonia for aviation purposes: th-cam.com/video/F8nbGWAjScA/w-d-xo.html
not to be mean but why can't I get tech support that speaks such good english????? honestly this was a well explained and very understandable video, thank you
The reason is for tech support you have people who arent on the highest skill band. They are just students or fresh graduates, who are hired in the developing world on not so high wages. So its the brand who want to cut corners, that are responsible
@@ElectricAviation Will it be available to the Public to purchase??? Or will it only be available for Millionaires and or Billionaires???? In other words “ONLY for RICH PEOPLE”???
Cycloidal propellers have been used in shipping for almost a century now. Same thing as these cyclorotors but oriented vertically on the bottom of the ship. They are especially common on tugboats because they allow near instant 360 degree thrust direction control the more distributed flow makes the boat resistant to capsizing compared to a to a tug equipped with azimuth propellers. Promotional video for the Voith water tractor system: th-cam.com/video/0muPdHICrKU/w-d-xo.html
Water is of course a vastly different medium for propulsion. I design personal powered water craft. For example a jet engine in air is not very efficient. Air is simply not an ideal medium for compression and thrust. A wing or propellor is on the other hand, very efficient. Yet in water a jet engine is 100% efficient and propellors far from it in terms of propulsion. I'm working on a personal powered jet engine for small craft and even a hydro foiling tricycle. The result promises to be extraordinary with record breaking possibilities.
it was mentioned earlier in the video.. but what if even ONE of the gyros fail? sure they have wings but if the motor controlling the wing angle breaks, you are screwed. Love the concept but I'd imagine safety would be a big concern
Actually it is just a Voith Schneider propeller, like the one you can find on some highly maneuvering boats, but with a much higher rotating speed because the air density is 830 times less that of water. And... the Voith Schneider propeller is a *very* complex piece of mechanics. I strongly doubt its air applications could be as efficient as helicopters, even with advanced computer-driven technology.
Helicopters are actually already quite complex. There are linkages and washplates already on the main rotor to vary the blade's angles. Plus some complex behaviours when traveling forward fast enough resulting in the blades stalling during backsweep, causing loss of lift on one side. I'd say both helicopters and cyclocopters have the same order of magnitude complexity; but helicopters had had decades of headstart in research, while cyclocopters had to wait until carbon fiber & 3D printing technology became widespread.
at the end it all boils down to efficiency vs compexity. Too many factors in this type of propulsion, an overcomplicated rotor and control, coriolis effect forces, etc. it's good to see people thinking out side the box though.
It has a different mechanisms to generate lift, though. Rather than a horizontal propeller, it's actually moving wings. There are some benefits to the cyclorotors compared to a propeller. Further research is of course will be necessary to optimize cyclorotors, but it's quite promising.
So fascinating to know that so many of the goofy failed aircraft designs i've seen over the years from the dawn of aviation where actually real technologies so radically ahead of their time, they simply didn't have computers to control them or materials to make them fully operational. Theory is important, but computational ability and materials are forever the gateway to application when dealing with complex technologies.
Wow I was having similar thoughts at a point in this video too, That there are many concepts that can be actualized but having the control and material properties to do so depends on access to resources and organizational properties of society functioning sufficiently.
Wow, yeah. That is mind boggling. People thought of this 100 years ago, but couldn't make it work until now.
it's not just aircraft, Elon Musk has made his living from using other ideas that were ahead of their time, Electric cars were first invented in 1890, the first self driving car in the 1980's and the hyperloop concept is from 1799 with the Vactrain, i wouldn't be surprised if they were reimaginings of prior attempts too
@@MrTrilbe he does say ideas are a dime a dozen, but it's all about execution
Lol its not ahead of its time. Its taken Decades of technological advancements to make materials that can barely sustain these things from exploding. N even then are so inefficient. Trust me when i say these will never amount to anything more than hover tech n personal use like an electric scooter... which is fun sure. But if youre expecting to revolutionize flight? Think again. These are basically propellers. Think how fast a turbine spins. Just to stream air. To prevent boundary layer congesting with back flow pressures. These generate a turbulent vortex in the middle. Thats translating straight to center of mass. That turbulent vortex is the same thing as back pressure flow. Which is preventing smooth flow. While That allows for stability. that stability is the opposite of smooth flowing thrust. If they can get one to lift a person. Itll wear parts out so fast that its just a money pit for a novelty flight theory.
Absolutely brilliant concept, can't wait to see how this developes.👍🇬🇧
dead end, like all russian ideas, if it was in USSR they might get it to the end, but russia is all about budget cuts and corruption schemes
Let’s hope it takes off.
Fascinating, as always. Thanks!
Excellent vid again, thumbs up without thinking.
Thanks again!
Quiet, compact, and capable of heavy lifting- all while presumably being able to survive a power-off landing? Yeah. That does sound good.
It does sound good. Maybe a bit too good.
You forgot to say simple, because it appears to be far, faar from mechanically simple, even compared to a helicopter it seems way too complex for what you get out of it. Also those vane net guards are the stupidest thing ever, there goes an easy 30%++ of all the thrust with all that air trying to push through the turbulence created.. Just take the grill off yor pedestal fan and feel the extraordinary increase in the fan force, this thing's moronic just on that metric alone, also note not one drone has a 'vane guard' installed -- cos they probably wouldn't get off the ground!
@@Veldtian1 Also it is not quiet, compact nor capable of heavy lifting, so I wonder where idea that it is comes from.
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@@Veldtian1 I'm pretty sure cyclo rotors are as complicated as normal helicopter rotors
Good descriptive video on the Cyclorotor technology. It's really interesting to see the long history of this technology also!
Really well done - Thanks for this!!
Would be interesting to see theoretical efficiency calculations compared to helicopters, tilt-rotors, e-vtols of other configurations...
Right... Cant say im buying this one...
You won't. That's why it's CGI.
Make it nuclear powered lmao
@@suprememasteroftheuniverse A couple CGI illustrations but mostly real video. These things can fly. But they're horribly inefficient and not very practical for much of anything.
with so much frontal area on all those rotors and big spinning mass cant be all that efficient. but there always an be niche use for it such as urban rescue vehicle i suppose... oh or wait... that rotor can extent and is actually wheel most of them time... what a great concept for sci-fi movie.
One of the bigger difficulties with making a flying car is making something that will run on land and air. And I think this thing could fix that. Or at the very least give us a direction to go.
superb video,clearly and well spoken,great teaching.I have to make one of those! brilliant.
Many thanks!
"My Apologies to the Fan for using the Rangers for an Example".
Me: 😂🤣 Love this Guy!
Nice technology, we can surely improve that!
I was cursing myself when I was getting mechanical engineering but now I started to love it
There are so many inventions and ideas that need to be revisited. We have so much more ability to accomplish things with the knowledge and materials we have to work with.
How I have waited for this one!
Good things come to those who wait
@@ElectricAviation 😊
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Thank you very much for this video.
You have combined worldspanning history and modern technological advancement into a short, understandable and captivating lesson.
very well done.
So nice of you
I love your channel man! Keep it up 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Good vid. Very informative. And it explains all the old footage of early planes and their mad designs.
I had never heard about any of this. Thank you. Liked and subscribed.
As a former helicopter mechanic, I got a chuckle out of the "It's not used because it fails to generate lift if it fails to spin". I seem to recall a similar issue with rotary wing aricraft.
On a more serious note, I'm wondering if something could be designed in to allow "auto rotation" similar to a helicopter?
I'm writing a book including Magnus-effect vehicles. This was very helpful.
IS GREAT IN THESE YEARS THAT WE LOOK AT OLDER TECHNOLOGY'S WITH THE COMPUTERS AND CUTTING EDGE LIGHTER BUILDING MATERIALS THESE TECHNOLOGIES THAT HAVE BEEN SHELVED DESERVE ANOTHER LOOK AND COULD BE A DRIVING FORCE IN THE FUTURE. GOOD SHOW HATS OFF
Let me tell everyone on this platform and how happy I am finally someone had a chance of thinking outside the box and created something new
If you watched the video...it's not new. It's been done, they're just hoping technology has made it more feasible.
Outstanding report & concepts. My only hope is, when this technology is developed for consumer use- a method
of communication safety will be foolproof, as some of the same people who have not mastered the simple task of using blinkers while driving cars will be navigating above our homes & our heads.
you earned a new sub,good explaining is apreciated
Thanks for the sub!
I would love a private one. Honestly this would make "flying cars" a reality.
@@direstrait5418 Definitely but that's not an issue. I'll get a pilots license one day despite the costs. I think its good as we don't want idiots flying around so having money be an additional barrier of entry, on top of serious examinations and training, is a good thing.
Wasn’t entirely clear what the advantages of this system are. Is quietness the only advantage or is there an efficiency advantage as well?
Yes it has higher lift coefficient. I wasnt able to get through the full literature and therefore I will cover the higher lift advantage in another video
@@ElectricAviation Aero drag is also higher???
@@stevenbalderstone709 parasitic at high speed most likely. But as a VTOL you would be more concerned with lift dependent induced drag. And spinner tips are enclosed. Would love to see more about this in lot more technical detail.
Safety and manoeuvrability seem to be the other ones. Landing helicopters in anything but flat open spaces is very complicated. But these blades are compact and enclosed. It looks like it could take a few low speed impacts without the blades breaking and flying all over the place.
@@johnroutledge9220 4 rotating drums with a connection on one end can't take an impact, it would skew off center very easily and the loss of alignment would do the rest, by that I mean blow itself apart 10x worse then a runaway wind turbine. It's as fragile as F..
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Thanks . this video reminded me it's time to change my furnace filter
Go for it!
Thank you for this summary!
Excellent! This kind of aircraft is truly new if they can be commercialized 😊👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏😊👍👍
I see a platform that could finally make the dream of a flying car a reality....
Never thought about this until now :)
Looks interesting for limited future use.
Quality stuff as ever, thanks, ^oo^
Your videos are awesome, thank you.
Looks like a good idea. I dont particularly like the way it looks however , if it's lifting capacity , durability in weather conditions , power consumption , computer controlled navigation and safety features in case of failure are sufficient enough to safely transport a family of 4 to a destination of at least 100 miles at an altitude of of at least 200-300 ft above any given tree top and doesnt cost $250,000 then Let's get this thing going.
it seems like the solution to safety in the case of engine failure would be to add wings, which kind of defeats the purpose of the system as a whole.
@@redpug5042 VTOL with wing capacity would have better redundancy than every helicopter currently flying.
@@rip8641 What about auto-rotation?
Isn't that sufficient redundancy for an unpowered emergency landing?
I could imagine, once the various dynamic blade profile configurations have been explored, that such a feature wouldn't be outside the realms of possibility for this type of lift mechanism - although, perhaps, far less effective than a standard helo.
@@rip8641 a helicoptor can land perfectly fine with 0 engine power. It's done by tilting the rotor collective to dig into the air to get it spinning fast, then you put collective up right before touching the ground to shed off the velocity.
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Thank you for the content!
My pleasure!
Wrap some rubber around the edges, and you've got yourself a flying car. This is the future, right here. Also, I love the way you say "perpendicular".
I was thinking the same at first, but there's too much damage that could happen. It would be better to have a clutch like system to engage roadwheels instead of the blade axles.
Great showcase, thanks
Thanks, what was the name of the one at 1:52 the R/C model one???? I have seen it before..... Laurie
Can it glide if there is a machine failure?
This may be off topic, but someone might find it interesting.Over unity electric generator. By AMA.
Segment 1: 1 motor with bar connected to it standing vertically. Circular disc connected to bar that has magnets embedded in it surrounded in high permeability material to focus magnets outward pushing force in an upwards direction from top of disc.
Segment 2: Hollowed out cylindrical Bar of material horizontally positioned.
Flat hollowed out ring shaped material with openings around its outer top flat edge.
Magnets surrounded in high permeability material embedded in these openings.
Magnets positioned in openings around ring are in at least 1 of 2 configurations either all N magnetic field pushing out or N,S,N,S all around it. Just depends on whether your going for Piston structure or spinning structure explained below & whether you want it to be DC or AC current.
Place these all along the cylindrical bar connected to it solidly, except at far ends of bar.
At both ends of bar place ring of material that can be magnetically repelled in specific locations. (magnetically repelled in specific location is in reference to outside of ring area that faces away from center of bar)(Other side of same ring facing in towards center of bar is capable of being magnetically repelled all around) Ring must be connected solidly to bar. points of repulsion on these rings is off set from each other on each end of bar.
3 Hollow ring structures with small square bars protruding from each. Ring structure has all magnetic repulsion on inside of ring shape & can rap around the main bar so that the bar wont be causing friction on things as it moves back and forth or spins. 1st positioned around far left of bar, 2nd position at center of bar (be sure to leave enough room for magnetic structures to be able to move back and forth without hitting it) & 3rd positioned on far right of bar.
Tube structure is constructed in two parts that fit together on top of each other length wise over main structure.
Tube structure has 3 square openings for the bars that the Ring structures that are connected around the main bar keeping it from causing friction on structure, to slide into.
This tube structure is designed with material that does not block magnetic fields. Perhaps some type of transparent material glass or other.
At both ends of the tube structure there is a built in circular groove that will house a round disc. The ceiling/floor/left side/& right side of groove has openings for small magnets to be embedded in it, so that the pushing force from magnets is pushing in towards the edge of disc that goes in this spot. There is also 4 openings located on the top, bottom, left & right positions of the open groove. Small magnets are placed in these spots so when round disc is in position these magnetic fields will hit sideways keeping it from generating friction against structure.
Far Ends of bar has Cap structure that screws over tube halves holding them together. Cap structure also has 4 points on inside top, bottom, left & right that have openings. These openings have small embedded magnets in them that exert there pushing force outwards (sideways) so it will keep disc in position, generating no friction against structure. Cap is made of material like tube so it does not block magnetic fields. (Note: These magnets in groove and cap structure are only needed for piston design. If Disc is directly connected to main bar so as it spins the bar spins, magnets are not needed here).
The disc has ring around it (ring of material goes around outer edge and folds over front side & backside a small distance) that is repelled by magnetic fields so the 12 small magnets will keep it lined up but it will be able to spin without causing friction on structure. The disc has openings on it's flat side that face inside of tube and magnets surrounded in high permeability material are embedded in this disc.
The disc has small bar that is connected to it's center that goes all the way to the other end of bar structure through the center of the hollowed out bar and connects to disc on other end. Disc on other end is set up the same but magnets embedded in it are off set in comparison. As first disc spins the magnetic fields will push against specific spot on disc connected directly to bar, pushing bar in other direction, once bar is fully pushed over, further spinning of disc will then align the other sides magnet to push it back.
Tube structure also has half moon shaped protrusion on inside and on both halves so when tube is connected they line up to make a full ring shape on inside of tube, these half moon shaped protrusions have at least 1 small round opening on it's side in middle of curve that faces away from center of bar. The opening has a small magnet embedded in it so magnetic force is repelling out sideways away from center of bar. The protruding ring is positioned to line up slightly further in towards center of bar then the ring of magnetically repelled material connected directly to bar. This way when bar moves right or left it is magnetically stopped after a short distance.
Copper coil setup: Copper coils are wound in at least 1 of 2 ways. Either coiled in circles next to each other (Like if you wound coils around a cylindrical bar) or laid out in a row as if wire was on flat table going up then bent to go down & back up until it formed a flat rectangle of wire bending up and down and then the entire structure folded around tube. Copper windings are then lined up perpendicular to magnetic fields on outside of tube. Ends of copper coils are connected into separate construct that will allow electrical current to flow somewhere else.
Circular construct is built like a stand that goes around the outside of motor segment. Circular construct has flat ring of high permeability (magnetic field shielding) material that has small openings that will allow magnetic fields through specific locations. Top of circular construct has groove to allow the horizontal bar to balance on. Circular construct can also be placed on other end of bar so it is balanced. The motor segment is positioned so the disc connected to the bar that is connected to the motor is lined up so the disc passes under the horizontal bars disc that is at end of horizontal bar. The high permeability material keeps the magnetic fields in disc from hitting into the disc that spins or pushes the horizontal bar until just the right moment when the impact will cause the disc in horizontal bar to spin which will perpetuate the piston motion in the horizontal bar. More horizontal bars of the same design are built and positioned around the motor segment in a circular horizontal fashion all the way around. The bar connected to the motor can be increased in length to desired height (As much as motor can handle) and more of the exact same setup is repeated higher and higher up, maximizing the over unity potential of the construct to ridiculous proportions. :D Current from the horizontal bars is diverted to power the motor as needed and all other current is diverted to power my game console or the world. :) Interesting variation to this design would be to connect the spinning discs on far ends of horizontal bar to main bar that magnets are connected to so the magnets spin instead of getting pistoned back and forth. So long as moving magnetic fields are perpendicular to copper wires it should work. By AMA
great video!
Thanks!
Interesting technology! I wonder how it reacts in the mountains, where downdrafts happen as cold air falls from the Rockies. It may not be as susceptible to the downdraft pressure? Capable of gaining altitude to travel through the mountains.
I doubt it would have the flight time to do any of that.
There must be very hi angular accelerations when the blade is rotated which would create enormous stresses in the blade. What rotational speeds have been achieved?
Lots of moving parts. How well does it glide? Best of luck!
This is really cool 😎
I’m gonna go ahead and say that it was never produced in 2022
produced maybe ... yet never successful 😂
Hi this is great, would like to descuss the technology gap in years on the LUGWA Vtol
hmm base on wiki, the lift force of magus effect scale with the cylinder radius square while scale with cylinder length linearly. assuming the mass of the rotating surface is 2*pi*radius*cylinder_length*surface_thickness*density_of_surface_material. For the same equivalent mass, a low aspect ratio thin rotating disk will have much higher lift than a thin rotating cylinder. IE: twice the radius will give you 4 times the lift, while twice the cylinder length will only give you twice the lift. And since mass scale linearly with either radius and cylinder length, it's better to have a thin rotating disk. Of course induce drag will be higher due to the low aspect ratio, but it's a trade off between drag and lift. But it's kind of weird all these magus effect lift device all design as thin cylinder instead of thin disk, greatly reduce the magus lift effect.
aliens watching our evolution be like "dammit just give them the antigravity so they'll stop making ships that looks like toilet paper rolls."
haha...good one
i agree the future leap will be not using mechanical engines to create an air flow force, instead is using counterforce to the gravity using magnetic fields.
@@AlexanderNovikov david wilcock is working on this
Check out the Ezekiel Airship which flew in 1902. A full-scale model is in a Pittsburgh, Texas, museum.
Interesting, but i do focus more on bladeless engine(s), because you can simply tilt them for VTOL and when the engine dies (or loses power), the aircraft does have still a number of "wing"areas for gliding down more safely.
How I see this:
A square wheel was invented long time ago. There were many attempts to build a square-wheeled bicycle and all of them failed. But modern technology finally allowed to build one! Using carbon fibre composite frame and unconventional suspension, the engineers created a model with 5 kg payload capacity. Yes, it still barely moves but it has such a high potential and has some advantages on difficult terrain.
Perhaps a ballistic parachute could be fitted, as with Cirrus aircraft, for safety.
Yeah most modern electric aircraft are considering that
Voith-Schneider drive
this is the Voith-Schneider system for ships, mostly used with port tugs
the wheel in the sky keeps on turnin'
Does this concept work under water?
Maybe I should, ask does it work in different atmospheric densities.
Thats the fucking Future! No longer driving to work!
See the "entothopter" too - very similar, but it DOES give lift if the engine fails.
More videos on this please is it more efficient?
With so many surfaces, could it ever be nearly as efficient as a helicopters disk?
Perhaps it would not be as efficient, but niche use (such as it being extra-quiet compared to helicopters) is likely to see it used in specialized circumstances. That, plus it's just looks fun and novel. :)
disk? like a flywheel rotor
@@maintoc okay, yeah I get it now. Perhaps a little safer too. Always a "niche" for that sort of thing, isn't there?
Great video, btw
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Yes, there's a concept called disk loading, check it out at Wikipedia under
"Disk_loading" or "Disk loading"
This is the only propeller sysem that makes sense.
Cool. Flying cars are coming.
It's like a van you could back up to any window I wonder if it has any military applictions?
Would this make a quieter drone camera?
so what about magnetically charged gyros or magnetic railing like a maglev but using magnetic thrust on the gyros.? could be combo magnetic rail and gaussing recharge. so why can't the vibrational energy be used to create offset torq through a drive shaft or something?
Noise would be an interesting issue also and would affect future faa approval
Keep innovating to perfection to avoid monopoly like the old times.
It seems the quietness is attributed to no sound on any of the videos.
Are you going to make the next video on the engineering and mechanics required of the Cyclocar as you say at the end of this video? :)
is it possible to make the gyro big enough to cover the whole ship?
Getting close to making ufo for the masses
can this also navigate deep underwater?
yes theoretically it can
How will it avoid going into an unrecoverable spin if a motor fails?
They should design it with the blades on each side pointing outward, it would give it more stability, control, and thrust.
I recommend to have a look at the company CycloTech.
I like the flight time and range number of this vehicle.. starting to get up to useful figures.
Looking at the final renderings, would it not be better to have the Cyclos further apart in the airframe?
It would, in my understanding, provide more stability, as well as a better and more responsive moment arm for maneuvering the craft, right?
It will be a trade-off between stability and weight. The further apart the cyclorotors, the larger the frame will be, the heavier the aircraft ends up. That will require larger rotors, then later engines, and that also adds weight.
Thank you for another great video! I would love to see a video about alternative energy carriers to batteries. Power-to-gas will be a big thing in energy storage, but what has a chance to make it into aviation? Airbus seems to be into hydrogen, but the low volumetric energy density seems like a big impediment. Metanisation would be a great alternative if there was an effective way to grab CO2 out of the atmosphere. Amonia seems like a good alternative since you just need (renewable) energy, nitrogen (from air) and hydrogen (from water) to make it and the energy density is decent. Also you can run it through a fuel cell to get electricity. What is your opinion about amonia for electric aviation?
I cannot say. You seem to know more about ammonia. I will be however doing a video where I will compare battery with fuel cell and also a range extender (ICE generator), and look at the flight times of various electric aircrafts
I think you would be the better judge. Here is a link to a seemingly credible lecture on ammonia for aviation purposes: th-cam.com/video/F8nbGWAjScA/w-d-xo.html
But it won't fly in a vacuum or in space right ?
congratulations to everyone responsible for this new technology
Good job...
Beautiful
What if you incorporate turbo units on the ends to direct all that unwanted air into an exhaust jet pointed backwards increasing thrust
turn it on it's side, stick it under a boat and call it a voith schneider propeller. i love those things.
not to be mean but why can't I get tech support that speaks such good english????? honestly this was a well explained and very understandable video, thank you
The reason is for tech support you have people who arent on the highest skill band. They are just students or fresh graduates, who are hired in the developing world on not so high wages. So its the brand who want to cut corners, that are responsible
Anyone else want to buy this guy a nine volt battery to shut his smoke alarm up? Good video, but shame about the chirping in the background.
Oh god you noticed. I thought it might sneak through. I have changed the battery this week. Its much better
Very interesting
Nice video
How many pounds will the 6 seater be able to carry?????
It will be at least 600 kg. So over 1200 pounds
@@ElectricAviation Will it be available to the Public to purchase??? Or will it only be available for Millionaires and or Billionaires???? In other words “ONLY for RICH PEOPLE”???
dang guess humans will have to wait till crystal engineering takes hold
Cycloidal propellers have been used in shipping for almost a century now. Same thing as these cyclorotors but oriented vertically on the bottom of the ship. They are especially common on tugboats because they allow near instant 360 degree thrust direction control the more distributed flow makes the boat resistant to capsizing compared to a to a tug equipped with azimuth propellers.
Promotional video for the Voith water tractor system: th-cam.com/video/0muPdHICrKU/w-d-xo.html
Water is of course a vastly different medium for propulsion. I design personal powered water craft. For example a jet engine in air is not very efficient. Air is simply not an ideal medium for compression and thrust. A wing or propellor is on the other hand, very efficient. Yet in water a jet engine is 100% efficient and propellors far from it in terms of propulsion. I'm working on a personal powered jet engine for small craft and even a hydro foiling tricycle. The result promises to be extraordinary with record breaking possibilities.
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Super!
Would it be possible to build a cyclorotor using UPenn Modlab's swashplate-less cyclic control ?
Very interesting, but that adds even more points of failure, i fear. What about freezing rain on rotor wheel surfaces?
Its not an all weather aircraft
We used to throw are wood rulers in the air at school they flip around in circles float thru air
it was mentioned earlier in the video.. but what if even ONE of the gyros fail? sure they have wings but if the motor controlling the wing angle breaks, you are screwed. Love the concept but I'd imagine safety would be a big concern
Actually it is just a Voith Schneider propeller, like the one you can find on some highly maneuvering boats, but with a much higher rotating speed because the air density is 830 times less that of water. And... the Voith Schneider propeller is a *very* complex piece of mechanics. I strongly doubt its air applications could be as efficient as helicopters, even with advanced computer-driven technology.
Helicopters are actually already quite complex. There are linkages and washplates already on the main rotor to vary the blade's angles. Plus some complex behaviours when traveling forward fast enough resulting in the blades stalling during backsweep, causing loss of lift on one side.
I'd say both helicopters and cyclocopters have the same order of magnitude complexity; but helicopters had had decades of headstart in research, while cyclocopters had to wait until carbon fiber & 3D printing technology became widespread.
Rotating fans and blades make an aircraft inherently dangerous. Jetoptera has solved this problem in a far more elegant solution.
at the end it all boils down to efficiency vs compexity. Too many factors in this type of propulsion, an overcomplicated rotor and control, coriolis effect forces, etc. it's good to see people thinking out side the box though.
True
I really love how they get drones and they try to create a new platform for transporting people but it's still basically propeller helicopter
It has a different mechanisms to generate lift, though. Rather than a horizontal propeller, it's actually moving wings. There are some benefits to the cyclorotors compared to a propeller.
Further research is of course will be necessary to optimize cyclorotors, but it's quite promising.