I put this together from your inspiration. I found that you don't need all that auto setup. Daisy chain the tanks, put a valve on the output, set the valve to about half the input (may take some tinkering) then put a germ sensor between the tanks linked to a cut off right after the valve. With the reduced output there is enough time to clean the germs in the tanks. So fill the tanks with your liquid/gas. Setup your chlorine input (automated or one time). Pump the chlorine in and give it time to clean the tanks. Then connect the output and let it go. The only maintenance is to adjust the output valve if you add a new or increase the source.
so for the lavatory system: since you can control when the dupes go to the toilet, just make sure that they don't go during one half of the day (if you work with shifts), then use a clock sensor to flush the lavatory tank that is immersed in chlorine right before the first bathroom breaks. If the food poisoning takes less than half a day to die off this should be enough to do it, although you can get some more time to kill it if the dupes have their bathroom break at the same time. That means more lavatories though...
Total time to remove all the germs isn't half time x2. If you had 1024, after 11s you would have 516, after another 11s you still have 256 and so on until it reaches 1 and deletes. That is why it slows down A LOT when it's in low numbers. if you want to know how long it takes, do log2(germs) and multiply by time (10 times in cae of 1024 so its 110s). Also, difference between 10k and 50k germs is only 22s
Nice editing, I greatly appreciate being able to actually SEE the intellectual process happen with the quick cuts from "lets do this" to "hmm ::stares:: what am I going to do" to a deletion of the current previous thought pipes xD. It allows people to see that those who come up with the great blueprints don't just "know" what to do, it's a process of figuring it out; and it also helps to learn how the different automations are working with each other.
I spent hours perfecting a morb oxygen farm where I pump oxygen in 2 different rooms depending on time of day and using wheezeworts to cool the oxygen down so the slimelung dies, and now you can do it in less than a minute with this? Damn ;(
@@mikkelnpetersen False, he showed right at the beginning, and mentioned again a couple times, this method works exactly the same for liquids (like water) as it does for gases. Same exact setup using liquid reservoirs instead of gas. I came for the same thing.
I mentioned in that same video the use of cold temperatures to kill the germs. It's easier on the research as you only need wheezeworts, and some gas plumbing.
Feels like a bug, why should air impact contents? These tanks are not air tight? Also I'm assuming you have to be careful of air germs to not contaminate your storage. Seems counter intuitive.
No. It's intended. The reservoirs are categorized as storages as I noted when the first systems of this kind came out on the Klei forum a few weeks ago. All storages are exposed to the surrounding gas, so reservoirs should not be different.
It definitely doesn't make real life sense. But this would hardly be the only example of non-RL sense in ONI. It doesn't abide by the golden law of thermodynamics either so... meh. Imagination.
It's because tank allow water and chlorine be in the same tile AND interact with it. Haven't you stored your germy slime in compactors in chlorine environment?
Well, it does make sense that a small amount of chlorine (as or combined with chlorine dioxide) can be used to disinfect a large reservoir of fluid. You can look to most swimming pools and industrial air filtration for that. It's entirely possible that the tank could regulate the proper dose (0.5-2 ppm) of whatever's ambient to mix with its contents. No wonder they're so high up on the tech tree! The liquid storage tank would need to be more high tech than that though. It would need to do a test dosage and adjust it based on the the results (again like swimming pools). And if it's just using gaseous chlorine, it will need to bubble the gas through the water. Otherwise it would only kill surface germs. Still, that's well within ONI's high-tech realm of believable pseudo-physics.
Hey man. Awesome video. I was just thinking on making something like this. I thought "hmmm memory toggle, two reservoirs... and some stuff". But as I went to develop the idea I was getting a headache, then found your video, and you saved me a lot of time. I am sure behind the scenes there was a lot of thinking not filmed :) You earned as subscriber! A quick note though. Germs grow on polluted oxygen, and die on oxygen. Wouldn't it be faster to deodorize the polluted oxygen, then pump the oxygen, maybe with a mechanized filter to make sure, then into the gas reservoir system?
Diffrent types of germs exist... it's like saying a 5g of poison won't kill You, unless You're a baby, or it's some specific type/mix... dupes are clones, pretty dumm... suprisingly vunerable to germs...
you could probably make steam turbines more effective by using the containers to build up the charge and then release it once it is full and the steam that is wasted will be recycled into the system by gas pumps or water pump (if it turns to water during the processes).
Travis Pluid that kills entire point of B Walk's suggestion. I do cook steam on a go for turbine - as soon as it's made in Pwater evaporation chamber, move it through freshly cooked petroleum and dump under the turbine. when enough pressure is built in the chamber doors open and allow steam through turbine. No need for container here.
problem here is that it will release only at 1kg per tick. But if chamber under the turbine is small and above it it's almost vaccum... I need my drawboard!
Since it can't withstand the heat of the steam but metal tile on top of the magma then to give the charge the water container with a inside full of dup waste then the steam that is not used is recycled turned into water and put back into the charge.
I've been playing around with this design, and I came up with a notable simplification. You can do it with just a single tank, without the possibility of getting the decontamination loop stuck, if you continue the pipe past the input of the tank and merge it (with priority) back into the input to the whole system. Then you just set up a pipe element sensor on that overspill path which resets the s/r latch which controls the input-side shutoff when there's something in it, which can then be set again when the element sensor in the main loop says the pipe is empty, as in your version. It is important to make sure the overspill pipe is long enough (after the sensor) to contain all the overspill that makes it through before the input shutoff kicks in, but if you make sure of that, it's perfectly robust. You can still, of course, use a second tank (in the chlorine or not) to let the input keep moving while the decontamination is happening, but it doesn't need any automation involvement, and you only need 2 shutoffs so it's slightly more energy efficient, and definitely more space efficient. It's also worth noting that the germ sensor needs to be set to "below 0" not "below 1" since "below" actually means "less than or equal to". If the next thing you're doing with the output is cleaning it into a substance that will slowly kill germs anyway, that 1 germ doesn't matter, but if you're storing the polluted stuff long term, that 1 germ will multiply and infest the output tank, so it's important to get it right. Yes, I know this video is old, but the relevant aspects of the game haven't really changed, so I figured I'd post in case anyone was interested.
For the water automation, I use a two stage polluted water tank and heater. Heat the first tank up to ~70C, then once it gets close to full, shut the input down, use a germ sensor to monitor the amount in the water and then use doors under the tank to dump the hot cleaned polluted water into the secondary tank. This has a pump and goes into the sieve. Sieve cancels a good chunk of the heat out and then I use any number of options to cool that a further 10-20 degrees (Often using the thermal cooler thingy immersed in the first polluted water tank so the heater does not have to work as hard.
It also dies slowly in oxygen, unless there's been a recent patch change. If you purify the polluted oxygen and then just let it sit for a while eventually it becomes clean.
this video has given me probably the single biggest advance in my play, being able to clear a swamp biome, pump the excess oxygen into a little chlorine tank, and fill my base with that sweet, sweet oxygen. LOVE IT
Not sure if you still get to that method but you could also just run the cleaning while inactive. It would pump the reservoir for like 300sec then gas element sensor output from the geyser so when it stops you have a output from the gas tank with a pipe germ sensor into a "never contaminated storage“
Good job on the automation design for infections polluted oxygen vent. Awesome. I do feel that next update should have a storage full automation signal out of the liquid and gas storage tanks
Assuming that you can wire something to be active once the tank reaches a certain fill % you could probably wire it to close the input for a duration while it sanitizes/empties and then open it back up once the gas is transferred out.
Brutakalaka but making a loop with a shutoff only cost 10 w while allowing much more storage while these gas / liquid storage contain much less , it might be nerfed like 20% dead cycle but i dont think it will be patched out
for me it's overcomplicated. all you need is for the oxygen to stay in the tank for a bit before being released. so just use timers. one timer open a shut off valve to fill in the tank, then when it's off and the oxygen is clean, the other shut off valve opens and the oxygen is released. that's it. and you can have two tanks if you want so while one is collecting the other is venting and vice versa this way instead of having a ton of not gates, memory gates, sensors and so on, you just have a timer (maybe two if all need to be off for a time to get cleaned) and two shut off valves per tank.
@cotasam Nguyễn a bit of playing around to make it work i guess. i haven't really played the game that much since then to test it myself. and to be honest i don't really remember much of the video. but yeah, pump it for some time with the dirty air, then stop it and let it clean itself. if i'm not mistaken the germs were dying at specific rate. meaning X amount of germs will always die for Y amount of time. which means you only need to find an upper threshold of how many germs are pumped for the time you fill it, calculate the time needed to kill them, set the timer for a bit more, maybe double it to make sure. it may sound like a lot of work, and it probably is, but if i remember correctly the system showed here was also hit and miss at the start, until some balance was hit.
cleaning the polluted oxygen with deodorizers would split the slimelung: in the 'clean' oxygen and the clay. Further complicating the decontamination process
the system may get jammed randomly in cleaning loop (depending on how you build it). When gas is comming from charge tank while cleaning loop still cycling, the game then may decide to give the flow priority to gas flowing in cleaning loop over the gas from charge tank. And if that happens on the first cycle there will be not enough gas in cleaning loop to get some in a tank - therefore, gas will not get cleaned and will cycle endlesly. It can be fixed with a small adjustment, but it will cost some efficiency
It's like a better slime distiller! Conveyors could suck slime out of a puft farm (if you have enough water) or slime deposit area and deposit it in the polluted oxygen geyser chamber to increase the polluted oxygen input for this system :)
You can have 3 or 4 buffer storage tanks in series and control the output of each tank using the value and controlling the amount that goes out. The slower it goes the faster air or water gets cleaned. This won't need any power and we don't over use the resources.
this got way complicated, way fast. At 14:00 why not just put in a Bridge from the pump into the loop so if the container is full of germy air it just doesnt allow more to come in with the bridge then the loop can still run until some of it is clean and able to leave, which it should do till its about empty then itll fill back up with germy air again. Edit: I see the flaw in my thought process for it being full/empty as a container, but it will still keep the container side from backing up as it'd prioritize the existing loop. I will run this test tomorrow night and add in my findings
Orccam's razor. That would indeed just work. sadly the best thing would be some way to detect if a tank is completely full, which there isn't at the moment, however you could replicate the effect with a somewhat simple memory toggle.
That's true but you'll want the container to completely empty before adding new gas or you'll germify it (slightly, the germs will be shared) and you'll end up having very slightly germy gas pretty much all the time. That's making the system functional but very slow. If you replace that bridge by a shutoff controlled by a memory which is "set when the loop is empty" and "unset when some germ-free gas is detected", you'll have a cycle system that fills up as much as it can (input open but doesnt have priority), constantly loops until the container's contents are germ-free (closes input) and empties completely (opens input), and cycles again...
Like Guilherme said, there isn't a way to detect of the reservoir is full in the current build, so he can only detect when it's empty (by creating the loop and checking for when the loop has no gas in it). So to make sure he fills it all the way, he sets up a buffer that fills up to slightly less than the original system's max capacity, so that when he detects that the lower system is empty, he just dumps the entire buffer into the system, which means he knows for sure that it's "full". Another problem is he's wanting to check the status of the polluted oxygen inside the tank (that is, how many germs there are). The only way to detect that (currently) is to pull some gas out of the reservoir and check it in the pipe.
You could detect that a reservoir is full by having a bridge send priority to the reservoir and have a sensor detect the overflow. I was thinking of expanding on that idea to have the overflow go to a secondary and using the automation flip flop between them.
I was thinking of a basic timer, you know the amount the vent can put out, maybe have it set at just over the amount received per release, to have a continuous operation, as you see he already cleared the full amount stored in a few cycles, unless you are adding more into the system from other means you do not need the full automation as in the video.
All you have to do is hook a buffer gate up to your original sorter loop before you built the injector. This way the pipes will fill and then it will wait x seconds to turn off your intake shutoff allowing the tank to fill. This easily replaced all of your injector automation. I hope this helps anyone with only a small amount of space and materials with this build.
even though boiling and cooling water uses alot more power and is complicated, it does make polluted contaminated water into clean drinking water in one go
Could you make a set of still blueprints (ie screenshots in the various modes) of the automation, ventilation, power, etc structures at the end? That would be really helpful for understanding and reproducing it. :)
I challengend myself into trying to make my own version of this before watching the video. I used a single tank and a ghetto overflow sensor before the tank made with a bridge and a branching pipe with a liquid element sensor. Came out a monstrousity using two memory cells and a messed up logic, but it worked decently. Than I watched your video and damn you made it so elegant. Great design, I tested it also with liquids and works as expectedd.
You could simplify this with 3 clocks, 2 tanks and a gas pump and shutoffs. Load one while it’s loading the other is purifying, then unload the first, purify the second while you reload the first. Sure it’s not absolutely efficient but it’s smaller, just as automated and in both cases and your limit on the system is the volume of gas you can pump in a cycle no matter the method you use.
Really? That complicated? I just put 4 purifiers around the geyser and set the gas pump to work to a very high pressure setting (around 5k grams), so that the purifiers had time to work. Yes, a bit of slimelung gets into my base, but the system has been working for around 300 cycles already and no slimelung infection in any duplicant for the moment.
I hear a lot of people say "absorbing coldness". Heat is energy, so you're radiating this energy into a less energetic environment. You're losing heat not absorbing coldness :/
You could easily make an automatic disinfection system with a staged setup. The first stage is initial storage, you throw all your polluted material into a "dirty" reservoir during the day. The second stage is a "Clean" reservoir in the Chlorine room (You could also put the dirty one in the Chlorine room as well, to start the work early and make it more likely that the clean reservoir ends up pumping out clean materials.) Also have a timer that records when "Evening" starts. Evening starts precisely a number of second before night starts equivalent to the duration of night. Here is the cycle. All Germy sources flow into your dirty Reservoir at all times. When Evening starts, the "Clean" Reservoir pumps the entirety of it's contents out to an accessible location (If your system is using such quantities of material that it is not clean by this point, then create a logic circuit that staggers this every other day and use more reservoirs). When night starts, the Clean reservoir stops pumping out, and the Dirty reservoir begins flowing into the clean one, stopping again in the morning. The net result of this cycle is that every evening, a "batch" of freshly cleaned material flows out, and a new "batch" is loaded into the cleaner. The two reservoirs are kept separate because otherwise you'd end up constantly adding more germs, and never end up with a 100% clean material to pump out. One is a sort of capacitor for the other.
@Brothgar Then it comes to gas/liquid flow the green exit takes second turn. Imagen a pipe like you had in the video. When gas runs by the green exit, the green exit can only pass the gas if its free. This means you have a T crosroades where the incoming streat need wait and the main road have the priority. I hope you understand what i ment
sadly that would not work cause we need the germfree fluid(gas/liquid are both considered fluid) to flow and the input of the polluted fluid would jam it up
A comment on valve-sensor setup. When used as filter, you may want to put sensor right before the valve as it's activating during next tick. I.e. when your sensor sees no gas right now (and zero germs), it opens the shut-off immediately, letting through whatever packet is sitting right before or in shut-off's output.
Hello brothgar just passing out to say OH MY GOD THIS IS AEWSOME, now no more heating the water to killing germs and then colding it again. And by the way just did another coment saying another possible test that you could do that i did and found out amazing
have been trying to clean germ water for a few days now, and have tried to follow other people's instructions, and still get germs in my output. so hoping that your system will work. your instructions were a little more clear ... so wish me luck!
Probably be cheaper with some of the more exotic components to just use a time of day sensor to dump a holding tank into the purification area after emptying the purification area into another holding tank.
I'm so getting this game. I do feel the devs should patch chlorine outside a container cleaning the contents of a container, but it should be possible to pump the chlorine into the tank along with the polluted air, then vent the cleaned contents into a large room, allow them to separate due to density, pump the air out for further cleaning, and the chlorine goes back into the tank to clean the next load. The same should be possible with polluted water, but the current game mechanics may struggle with pumping chlorine gas into a liquid storage container. On the other hand, a room is a liquid AND gas storage container.
... You could basically compress it down to one reservoir in this case. Just copy the upper "charge" tank to the lower one, and you have a cleaning system that requires a little less in resources. If you're going to build a charge at the source, then yeah, all you need is one reservoir tank to clean. Why would you need an element sensor, though? No other element would interfere with cleaning polluted oxygen, especially from an infectious vent. The germ sensor would be enough to flick that switch. I think there needs to be an inline pressure sensor for gas/liquid pipes so you can actually build a charge via automation.
The tank at the source doesn't provide a measured charge it just means that once a full measured charge has been collected and the pipe is backing up it doesn't back up all the way to the pump and stop the pump working The charge is then measured so that the cleaning loop can measure the current germs and not have a clogged loop Finally, the cleaning loop happens to so that the automation can measure the germs. If there was no loop polluted stuff would be output before it can be cleaned and it'd stay in the pipe and not get cleaned there, in fact, it'd grow more germs while in the pipe Even if you had a pressure sensor it only would measure how much was in the pipe at that point between 0 and 1 kg, the reservoir can hold 150kgs
nice. I found one of those vents myself recently. good timing! I was wondering, do these tanks make it easier to cool gasses or liquids as well? since the tank itself has alot of mass you could make a similiar setup to cool the tank when empty and then fill it. Or is that just too much?
Amazing! Been watching most of your vids, you are the best of all the ONI video makers. But...Because this particular video was so AWESOME... I subscribed !
I know it's Brothgar's memnotic for remembering how an S-R Latch works, but wouldn't a light-switch be an XOR gate? (if you switch either switch in a room, it will toggle the lights). An S-R Latch would be having an "on" button and an "off" button for your light: you don't have to hold the 'on' button down to turn the lights on, nor do you have to hold the 'off' button down to turn the light off. you just hit the "on" button and if it wasn't on it turns on, and when you hit the off button if it wasn't off it turns off.
I think he means a single switch; if you think about it like a rocker switch then you can press either the top or bottom half of the switch, with predictable results.
This will work as long as the superflow tank( above) has enough charge to fill loop below OVER capacity of pipes. If it does not, gas/liquid will cycle through pipes, not hitting tank - no cleanup. At the least you need either buffer gate on output valve from top tank, or manual switch to allow dupes to make system work/restart.
Because it's not quite so simple to know how much time. To kill 8 slime lung it takes 44 seconds, to clean 16 it takes 55 seconds, there is probably some theoretical maximum amount of germs and a number of seconds that covers it (1billion germs takes nearly 6 minutes) but then some of the time you might input 1000 germs and have completely clean gas not able to do anything cause it's waiting on a timer for 4 minutes.
I have had moderate success using a Clock Sensor, what I was doing is filling one tank during the first half of a cycle, then filling another tank during the second half of a cycle. I found that 3/4ths into the cycle, the first tank would be completely free of all germs. I then spent the last 1/4 of a cycle emptying the tank, I was only able to empty the tank about 80% in this amount of time though, but this setup only needs three clock sensors, three valves, and no logic elements.
Something to consider; you may want to clean the polluted oxygen FIRST, then disinfect it. Pure Oxygen is inhospitable to slimelung so it should kill the germs faster with the chlorine doing extra cleanup. In time the oxygen could naturally kill off the slimelung but man that takes time.
I feel like since the change rate for being in chlorine is -100%/cycle, it'd be easy to just have a time delay to activate a pump, and then a cycle later empty the tank. Add more tanks till you have enough volume/cycle.
This method doesn't work when the input slows down - e.g. water from toilets. Eventually you have a small amount of dirty water/gas looping endlessly in the bottom chamber and it doesn't get clean because there is no enough to sit in the container. I had more success with two chambers that open their shut-offs once a day to move sitting water along. There is also the problem that a tiny amount of dirty water/gas can get through - but i think that is rather a bug with the germ-detector than this method. I think Klee need to use a mechanism where a small amount of Chlorine can be consumed to make water/gas clean.
heres an idea:you get to use sandbox mode. and you have to build a self sufficent colony with the world provived. which means all duplicants will survive in (basically) an infinite amount of time. the amount of duplicants supported is your score.
Wow thanks! This is really useful for me because now I can remove all the germs that remain from the water distiller thing or whatever it was called so now I can use same water for food AND toilets etc.
YO! KISS is your answer. Create a main loop around the air resivour , with your germ-sorting-gas-shut-off and a gas valve to throttle the output of the gas tank by half. the use a gas bridge to tie the infecttion vent gas pump to the main line just after the germ-sorting-gas-shut-off. It gives priority to the main line as they merge, but it shouldn't be a problem sense the 2 halves would combine to 1000g at most and fit in the pipe.
Does it work in pipes too. Just a long snake of pipes. Though they did say the stuff in the containers should be completely isolated. So I suspect the chlorine effect might get patched. Regarding bridges and whatnot. You can use a bridge to add a source into a loop without making the loop stop. That means once the loop is completely filled the source will stop and the loop keeps going.
this is nice but if the devs decide to remove this solution. how efficient would it be to kill the germs by heat while using the same or similar set up?
For dirty water you can heat it up making steam and dirt. Then automatically pick up the dirt. Use a steam turbine to cool the steam to water. Then send the water to your cold side room to bring it to a good temp. Then you will have dirt and cool water from dirty water.
Might want to add a buffer to set signal; otherwise you run the risk of getting backed up since once the tank is clean, it doesn't seem to dump all the gas in one cycle; so perhaps if no gas is detected for 2 sec? Also if possible all tanks should be in the CL.
Interesting idea for using the room I build to contain the chlorine gas "volcano". I generally use it to farm plants that require chlorine: balm liliy and dasha saltvines. But for the infected polluted oxygen vent "volcano", I simply build a room full of 20 or more deodorizers to clean up the polluted oxygen and find that most slimelung coming out of that kind of "volcano".
couldn't you use a setup where you have 2 tanks where each tank will only take input while the other is outputting and it will only output after being disinfected. I think that might be less complicated.
hey brothgar if you take a gas bridge into the bottom loop before the germ sensor then you have the one kg packets and restrict the flow (and just now I just thought that is dumb nevermind but if you can make this work then you are a god of duplicents)
This video is awesome. Just yesterday I tried to do this in my current playthrough but I'm still really new to the game so I was unsure of how to do it.
hey brothgar, me again. do you think it would be possable to transfer liquid gold thats around 2626*C from a gold volcano to a watter source to make steam and finaly have the steam turbine work?
Could you make a solid rocket system where the scaffolding doesn't overheat every time you launch? And where you won't have to worry about bunker doors getting destroyed when the rocket returns.
the liquid storage is great for the metal refinery it balances the temps o he liquid and plus its just efficient when it comes o filling the refinery and emptying it, the same setup for the oxygen system filtration can be used but with liquid shutoff valves and liquid pipe temp sensor. Brothgar i would love to see the system for the latrine edit: missed a t for metal LOL
The exact same blueprint can be applied to water, but note that the research three for this automated build is pretty large as the germ sensors require plastic, which require oil refinment, which require you to go down to magma. A good compromise for early game, since you have to treat waste water early on, is to use a single reservoir, with an intake and and output shutoff valve, put the same loop as he has so you dont get germ water stuck on the output pipe. Then have both valves signal to a manual switch, this way you will be able to control the water In and Out manually. Since you dont have the germ scanner yet, YOU are the germ scanner =-) so when your tank is germ free, open the output signal =),
Nice video but this one looks like Klei nerf fodder ;-( You used the phrase "primary outlet" (or something similar) to describe some property of flow through a valve. Wrt to bridges my understanding is that a fluid packet will always cross the bridge and only enter a pipe connected to the bridge's inlet node if the other end of the bridge is full - is this what is happening with valves too ? Have you tutorialed this behavior anywhere ? Cos that looks like something Klei are not nerfing so would be more use in the longer term - unless I have things confused ;-)
you know you can do this without automation if you know your consumption rates of your systems. i tend to use one tank for my kitchen one tank for each farm end even one for my washrooms(no looping although you still could. but its mostly for the manufacture and usage of the pwater). if the system only uses the water periodically they self maintain the fluid levels in the chlorine rooms. these are fed by a main storage/decontamination room that have about 6 storage tanks giving plenty of time for these to clean before consumption. if the 6 are running at full capacity they will kill any incoming germs within the first 4 tanks. the germs only transfer a % of their germs when transferring between full containers, the first incoming tank will get a full amount of the germs and each tank will take about 10% of the germs of the previous tank. once the germ count is less then 1k it wont even transfer to then next tank .
Ever thought of making a quick little diagram for your logics? This video is not the first one where I had to pause to catch up :D Would be way easier to follow, especially, when you cut out stuff inbetween :) Like these informatics diagrams for describing classes, I'm not sure how they are called in english, maybe state diagram? Anyway, there are a ton of free tools for that and if you don't want to get into an nwe program for that, paint would suffice, too, I think. For this circuit it would be something like this in diagram form: if switch on -> close upper (system) else open upper if upper not full -> enable switch if lower not full -> switch on if lower germfree -> open lower else close lower And there we go doing some light coding... Honestly, I don't get why they didn't call this Memory Toggle a Flipflop and I always trip over it in my brain :D
Oh, I hope, you still show your finding process in another video then, I'm actually quite enjoying it, that wasn't meant as critic, more of a suggestion so we can follow your thoughts easier. So for example, sometimes you take notes for yourself, or little sketches, right? Just include that. And when the first version doesn't work, show your first idea of the second, too. I would really like to see the thought process :) We are all capable of just copying your ideas, but I want to actually understand why you did things the way you do, so these videos are essentially the reason I prefer your channel over some others :D
Wanted to mention using a timer but I'm seeing other people doing so already... but I'm going to mention it anyways! One timer set to be active half of the day, two tanks in chlorine. During first half of the day, new germy oxy is sent to tank 1, tank 2 is allowed to empty. During second half of day, germy oxy is sent to tank 2, and tank 1 can empty. This way all polluted oxygen has 1/2 a day to disinfect, and you have a one tank worth of constant input/output.
19:21 Gas element sensor before your bridge on the left up stream. If detects gas shut off valve up stream. Boom fixed. Wont need over flow. Or all that extra pipe.
I put this together from your inspiration. I found that you don't need all that auto setup. Daisy chain the tanks, put a valve on the output, set the valve to about half the input (may take some tinkering) then put a germ sensor between the tanks linked to a cut off right after the valve. With the reduced output there is enough time to clean the germs in the tanks. So fill the tanks with your liquid/gas. Setup your chlorine input (automated or one time). Pump the chlorine in and give it time to clean the tanks. Then connect the output and let it go. The only maintenance is to adjust the output valve if you add a new or increase the source.
so for the lavatory system: since you can control when the dupes go to the toilet, just make sure that they don't go during one half of the day (if you work with shifts), then use a clock sensor to flush the lavatory tank that is immersed in chlorine right before the first bathroom breaks. If the food poisoning takes less than half a day to die off this should be enough to do it, although you can get some more time to kill it if the dupes have their bathroom break at the same time. That means more lavatories though...
Yo this thing essentially works like a heart with 2 chambers.
Total time to remove all the germs isn't half time x2. If you had 1024, after 11s you would have 516, after another 11s you still have 256 and so on until it reaches 1 and deletes. That is why it slows down A LOT when it's in low numbers. if you want to know how long it takes, do log2(germs) and multiply by time (10 times in cae of 1024 so its 110s). Also, difference between 10k and 50k germs is only 22s
the wonders of logarithmic growth
Exponential /Decay/
So you could say that oxygen is now indeed included
Nice editing, I greatly appreciate being able to actually SEE the intellectual process happen with the quick cuts from "lets do this" to "hmm ::stares:: what am I going to do" to a deletion of the current previous thought pipes xD. It allows people to see that those who come up with the great blueprints don't just "know" what to do, it's a process of figuring it out; and it also helps to learn how the different automations are working with each other.
I spent hours perfecting a morb oxygen farm where I pump oxygen in 2 different rooms depending on time of day and using wheezeworts to cool the oxygen down so the slimelung dies, and now you can do it in less than a minute with this? Damn ;(
don't be sad about it :P
Liquid cleaner after seeing this vid:
"I guess ill die"
Came for "how to disinfect water", there were none, dislike.
@@mikkelnpetersen False, he showed right at the beginning, and mentioned again a couple times, this method works exactly the same for liquids (like water) as it does for gases. Same exact setup using liquid reservoirs instead of gas. I came for the same thing.
nope u still need to make polluted water to water so no
Kingofgerman letsplays seive it once there’s no germs or seive it first and then remove germs
I mentioned in that same video the use of cold temperatures to kill the germs. It's easier on the research as you only need wheezeworts, and some gas plumbing.
Not really. Chlorine is accessible much sooner than wheezeworts.
Feels like a bug, why should air impact contents? These tanks are not air tight? Also I'm assuming you have to be careful of air germs to not contaminate your storage. Seems counter intuitive.
No. It's intended. The reservoirs are categorized as storages as I noted when the first systems of this kind came out on the Klei forum a few weeks ago. All storages are exposed to the surrounding gas, so reservoirs should not be different.
It definitely doesn't make real life sense. But this would hardly be the only example of non-RL sense in ONI. It doesn't abide by the golden law of thermodynamics either so... meh. Imagination.
It makes sense from that standpoint, but it's not very intuitive. They probably shouldn't be classified the same way as standard solid object storage.
It's because tank allow water and chlorine be in the same tile AND interact with it. Haven't you stored your germy slime in compactors in chlorine environment?
Well, it does make sense that a small amount of chlorine (as or combined with chlorine dioxide) can be used to disinfect a large reservoir of fluid. You can look to most swimming pools and industrial air filtration for that. It's entirely possible that the tank could regulate the proper dose (0.5-2 ppm) of whatever's ambient to mix with its contents. No wonder they're so high up on the tech tree!
The liquid storage tank would need to be more high tech than that though. It would need to do a test dosage and adjust it based on the the results (again like swimming pools). And if it's just using gaseous chlorine, it will need to bubble the gas through the water. Otherwise it would only kill surface germs. Still, that's well within ONI's high-tech realm of believable pseudo-physics.
Awesome design, and yes, the same system works perfectly for Polluted Water vents as well!
Hey man. Awesome video. I was just thinking on making something like this. I thought "hmmm memory toggle, two reservoirs... and some stuff".
But as I went to develop the idea I was getting a headache, then found your video, and you saved me a lot of time. I am sure behind the scenes there was a lot of thinking not filmed :)
You earned as subscriber!
A quick note though. Germs grow on polluted oxygen, and die on oxygen. Wouldn't it be faster to deodorize the polluted oxygen, then pump the oxygen, maybe with a mechanized filter to make sure, then into the gas reservoir system?
In our “real life”
The cap of Gems is 1.000.000.000 per gram/ml
Mostly
Diffrent types of germs exist... it's like saying a 5g of poison won't kill You, unless You're a baby, or it's some specific type/mix... dupes are clones, pretty dumm... suprisingly vunerable to germs...
This really makes me appreciate that storage tanks now have automation.
you could probably make steam turbines more effective by using the containers to build up the charge and then release it once it is full and the steam that is wasted will be recycled into the system by gas pumps or water pump (if it turns to water during the processes).
The problem is the heat limit of the container, (max 125c, steam need to be 300c for the steam turbine). Unless I missed it.
Might be able to tune the temperature with radiant pipes after the reservoir.
Travis Pluid that kills entire point of B Walk's suggestion. I do cook steam on a go for turbine - as soon as it's made in Pwater evaporation chamber, move it through freshly cooked petroleum and dump under the turbine. when enough pressure is built in the chamber doors open and allow steam through turbine. No need for container here.
problem here is that it will release only at 1kg per tick. But if chamber under the turbine is small and above it it's almost vaccum... I need my drawboard!
Since it can't withstand the heat of the steam but metal tile on top of the magma then to give the charge the water container with a inside full of dup waste then the steam that is not used is recycled turned into water and put back into the charge.
I've been playing around with this design, and I came up with a notable simplification. You can do it with just a single tank, without the possibility of getting the decontamination loop stuck, if you continue the pipe past the input of the tank and merge it (with priority) back into the input to the whole system. Then you just set up a pipe element sensor on that overspill path which resets the s/r latch which controls the input-side shutoff when there's something in it, which can then be set again when the element sensor in the main loop says the pipe is empty, as in your version. It is important to make sure the overspill pipe is long enough (after the sensor) to contain all the overspill that makes it through before the input shutoff kicks in, but if you make sure of that, it's perfectly robust. You can still, of course, use a second tank (in the chlorine or not) to let the input keep moving while the decontamination is happening, but it doesn't need any automation involvement, and you only need 2 shutoffs so it's slightly more energy efficient, and definitely more space efficient.
It's also worth noting that the germ sensor needs to be set to "below 0" not "below 1" since "below" actually means "less than or equal to". If the next thing you're doing with the output is cleaning it into a substance that will slowly kill germs anyway, that 1 germ doesn't matter, but if you're storing the polluted stuff long term, that 1 germ will multiply and infest the output tank, so it's important to get it right.
Yes, I know this video is old, but the relevant aspects of the game haven't really changed, so I figured I'd post in case anyone was interested.
element sensor+germ sensor+and gate+shutoff
the loop also, basically two tanks
actually you can get away with just one tank
I imagine this is how Harvard students whatsapp arguments look like.
For the water automation, I use a two stage polluted water tank and heater. Heat the first tank up to ~70C, then once it gets close to full, shut the input down, use a germ sensor to monitor the amount in the water and then use doors under the tank to dump the hot cleaned polluted water into the secondary tank. This has a pump and goes into the sieve. Sieve cancels a good chunk of the heat out and then I use any number of options to cool that a further 10-20 degrees (Often using the thermal cooler thingy immersed in the first polluted water tank so the heater does not have to work as hard.
It also dies slowly in oxygen, unless there's been a recent patch change. If you purify the polluted oxygen and then just let it sit for a while eventually it becomes clean.
"Look how happy they are!" [! hypothermia (3)]
10 minutes later all 3 are asleep on the floor.
this video has given me probably the single biggest advance in my play, being able to clear a swamp biome, pump the excess oxygen into a little chlorine tank, and fill my base with that sweet, sweet oxygen. LOVE IT
Not sure if you still get to that method but you could also just run the cleaning while inactive. It would pump the reservoir for like 300sec then gas element sensor output from the geyser so when it stops you have a output from the gas tank with a pipe germ sensor into a "never contaminated storage“
Good job on the automation design for infections polluted oxygen vent. Awesome.
I do feel that next update should have a storage full automation signal out of the liquid and gas storage tanks
Assuming that you can wire something to be active once the tank reaches a certain fill % you could probably wire it to close the input for a duration while it sanitizes/empties and then open it back up once the gas is transferred out.
Now watch Chlorine disinfecting gas/liquid storage contents be unintended by the devs and patched out.
Muahahaha.
Brutakalaka but making a loop with a shutoff only cost 10 w while allowing much more storage while these gas / liquid storage contain much less , it might be nerfed like 20% dead cycle but i dont think it will be patched out
Yeah, can't have a good use for chlorine.
lucky us 4 months later still works.
i came from the future, it was patched somehow...works different now 😂
This is a nice system. Very clean ; )
Nice icon :)
Tuxfanturnip Thanks! Drew it myself : )
for me it's overcomplicated.
all you need is for the oxygen to stay in the tank for a bit before being released. so just use timers. one timer open a shut off valve to fill in the tank, then when it's off and the oxygen is clean, the other shut off valve opens and the oxygen is released.
that's it.
and you can have two tanks if you want so while one is collecting the other is venting and vice versa
this way instead of having a ton of not gates, memory gates, sensors and so on, you just have a timer (maybe two if all need to be off for a time to get cleaned) and two shut off valves per tank.
@cotasam Nguyễn
a bit of playing around to make it work i guess.
i haven't really played the game that much since then to test it myself. and to be honest i don't really remember much of the video.
but yeah, pump it for some time with the dirty air, then stop it and let it clean itself.
if i'm not mistaken the germs were dying at specific rate. meaning X amount of germs will always die for Y amount of time. which means you only need to find an upper threshold of how many germs are pumped for the time you fill it, calculate the time needed to kill them, set the timer for a bit more, maybe double it to make sure.
it may sound like a lot of work, and it probably is, but if i remember correctly the system showed here was also hit and miss at the start, until some balance was hit.
Doesn't slime lung die in clean O2?
cleaning the polluted oxygen with deodorizers would split the slimelung: in the 'clean' oxygen and the clay. Further complicating the decontamination process
If you have five years, sure.
the system may get jammed randomly in cleaning loop (depending on how you build it). When gas is comming from charge tank while cleaning loop still cycling, the game then may decide to give the flow priority to gas flowing in cleaning loop over the gas from charge tank. And if that happens on the first cycle there will be not enough gas in cleaning loop to get some in a tank - therefore, gas will not get cleaned and will cycle endlesly. It can be fixed with a small adjustment, but it will cost some efficiency
It's like a better slime distiller! Conveyors could suck slime out of a puft farm (if you have enough water) or slime deposit area and deposit it in the polluted oxygen geyser chamber to increase the polluted oxygen input for this system :)
Brothgar: "see look how happy they are"
Deups: **gets hypothermia
You can have 3 or 4 buffer storage tanks in series and control the output of each tank using the value and controlling the amount that goes out. The slower it goes the faster air or water gets cleaned. This won't need any power and we don't over use the resources.
And, all the system for 80g/s of oxygen (this geyser produce this average). Yeah, not very useful, but for clean sewage it is so much useful.
Only this ? damn...
this got way complicated, way fast. At 14:00 why not just put in a Bridge from the pump into the loop so if the container is full of germy air it just doesnt allow more to come in with the bridge then the loop can still run until some of it is clean and able to leave, which it should do till its about empty then itll fill back up with germy air again.
Edit: I see the flaw in my thought process for it being full/empty as a container, but it will still keep the container side from backing up as it'd prioritize the existing loop. I will run this test tomorrow night and add in my findings
Orccam's razor. That would indeed just work. sadly the best thing would be some way to detect if a tank is completely full, which there isn't at the moment, however you could replicate the effect with a somewhat simple memory toggle.
That's true but you'll want the container to completely empty before adding new gas or you'll germify it (slightly, the germs will be shared) and you'll end up having very slightly germy gas pretty much all the time. That's making the system functional but very slow.
If you replace that bridge by a shutoff controlled by a memory which is "set when the loop is empty" and "unset when some germ-free gas is detected", you'll have a cycle system that fills up as much as it can (input open but doesnt have priority), constantly loops until the container's contents are germ-free (closes input) and empties completely (opens input), and cycles again...
Like Guilherme said, there isn't a way to detect of the reservoir is full in the current build, so he can only detect when it's empty (by creating the loop and checking for when the loop has no gas in it). So to make sure he fills it all the way, he sets up a buffer that fills up to slightly less than the original system's max capacity, so that when he detects that the lower system is empty, he just dumps the entire buffer into the system, which means he knows for sure that it's "full".
Another problem is he's wanting to check the status of the polluted oxygen inside the tank (that is, how many germs there are). The only way to detect that (currently) is to pull some gas out of the reservoir and check it in the pipe.
You could detect that a reservoir is full by having a bridge send priority to the reservoir and have a sensor detect the overflow. I was thinking of expanding on that idea to have the overflow go to a secondary and using the automation flip flop between them.
I was thinking of a basic timer, you know the amount the vent can put out, maybe have it set at just over the amount received per release, to have a continuous operation, as you see he already cleared the full amount stored in a few cycles, unless you are adding more into the system from other means you do not need the full automation as in the video.
All you have to do is hook a buffer gate up to your original sorter loop before you built the injector. This way the pipes will fill and then it will wait x seconds to turn off your intake shutoff allowing the tank to fill. This easily replaced all of your injector automation. I hope this helps anyone with only a small amount of space and materials with this build.
The realization that you no longer have to boil and cool water.
even though boiling and cooling water uses alot more power and is complicated, it does make polluted contaminated water into clean drinking water in one go
Watching you logic this out was fantastic.
Now our water treatment wont involve massive amounts of heat.
Pretty sweet.
Could you make a set of still blueprints (ie screenshots in the various modes) of the automation, ventilation, power, etc structures at the end? That would be really helpful for understanding and reproducing it. :)
I challengend myself into trying to make my own version of this before watching the video. I used a single tank and a ghetto overflow sensor before the tank made with a bridge and a branching pipe with a liquid element sensor. Came out a monstrousity using two memory cells and a messed up logic, but it worked decently. Than I watched your video and damn you made it so elegant. Great design, I tested it also with liquids and works as expectedd.
You could simplify this with 3 clocks, 2 tanks and a gas pump and shutoffs. Load one while it’s loading the other is purifying, then unload the first, purify the second while you reload the first. Sure it’s not absolutely efficient but it’s smaller, just as automated and in both cases and your limit on the system is the volume of gas you can pump in a cycle no matter the method you use.
Can’t wait to see this in the automated base!!!
Really? That complicated? I just put 4 purifiers around the geyser and set the gas pump to work to a very high pressure setting (around 5k grams), so that the purifiers had time to work. Yes, a bit of slimelung gets into my base, but the system has been working for around 300 cycles already and no slimelung infection in any duplicant for the moment.
I hear a lot of people say "absorbing coldness". Heat is energy, so you're radiating this energy into a less energetic environment. You're losing heat not absorbing coldness :/
I'll point ypu to this very game. It says Wheezeworts "absorb vacuum" which is an impossible thing, but we understand what it means
As high up as they are on the tree - don't those have signals the way smart storage does? Then you could turn off input when it's half full.
You could easily make an automatic disinfection system with a staged setup. The first stage is initial storage, you throw all your polluted material into a "dirty" reservoir during the day. The second stage is a "Clean" reservoir in the Chlorine room (You could also put the dirty one in the Chlorine room as well, to start the work early and make it more likely that the clean reservoir ends up pumping out clean materials.) Also have a timer that records when "Evening" starts. Evening starts precisely a number of second before night starts equivalent to the duration of night. Here is the cycle.
All Germy sources flow into your dirty Reservoir at all times. When Evening starts, the "Clean" Reservoir pumps the entirety of it's contents out to an accessible location (If your system is using such quantities of material that it is not clean by this point, then create a logic circuit that staggers this every other day and use more reservoirs). When night starts, the Clean reservoir stops pumping out, and the Dirty reservoir begins flowing into the clean one, stopping again in the morning.
The net result of this cycle is that every evening, a "batch" of freshly cleaned material flows out, and a new "batch" is loaded into the cleaner. The two reservoirs are kept separate because otherwise you'd end up constantly adding more germs, and never end up with a 100% clean material to pump out. One is a sort of capacitor for the other.
@Brothgar
Then it comes to gas/liquid flow the green exit takes second turn.
Imagen a pipe like you had in the video. When gas runs by the green exit, the green exit can only pass the gas if its free. This means you have a T crosroades where the incoming streat need wait and the main road have the priority.
I hope you understand what i ment
sadly that would not work cause we need the germfree fluid(gas/liquid are both considered fluid) to flow and the input of the polluted fluid would jam it up
i am just talking about the flow not some sorting system becouse brothgar can use this to sort it or have a better and direct overflow system.
This is why I love this game.
It is as simple or complicated as you want it to be.
A comment on valve-sensor setup. When used as filter, you may want to put sensor right before the valve as it's activating during next tick. I.e. when your sensor sees no gas right now (and zero germs), it opens the shut-off immediately, letting through whatever packet is sitting right before or in shut-off's output.
Hello brothgar just passing out to say OH MY GOD THIS IS AEWSOME, now no more heating the water to killing germs and then colding it again.
And by the way just did another coment saying another possible test that you could do that i did and found out amazing
have been trying to clean germ water for a few days now, and have tried to follow other people's instructions, and still get germs in my output. so hoping that your system will work. your instructions were a little more clear ... so wish me luck!
Probably be cheaper with some of the more exotic components to just use a time of day sensor to dump a holding tank into the purification area after emptying the purification area into another holding tank.
I'm so getting this game. I do feel the devs should patch chlorine outside a container cleaning the contents of a container, but it should be possible to pump the chlorine into the tank along with the polluted air, then vent the cleaned contents into a large room, allow them to separate due to density, pump the air out for further cleaning, and the chlorine goes back into the tank to clean the next load. The same should be possible with polluted water, but the current game mechanics may struggle with pumping chlorine gas into a liquid storage container. On the other hand, a room is a liquid AND gas storage container.
@brothgar you should only need 2 shut off valves 1 germ sensor and 1 gas sensor to create a system that will clean all the gas you store in the system
One thing you forgot about the tech tree is the germ sensors require plastics and those requisite techs.
... You could basically compress it down to one reservoir in this case. Just copy the upper "charge" tank to the lower one, and you have a cleaning system that requires a little less in resources.
If you're going to build a charge at the source, then yeah, all you need is one reservoir tank to clean.
Why would you need an element sensor, though? No other element would interfere with cleaning polluted oxygen, especially from an infectious vent. The germ sensor would be enough to flick that switch.
I think there needs to be an inline pressure sensor for gas/liquid pipes so you can actually build a charge via automation.
The tank at the source doesn't provide a measured charge it just means that once a full measured charge has been collected and the pipe is backing up it doesn't back up all the way to the pump and stop the pump working
The charge is then measured so that the cleaning loop can measure the current germs and not have a clogged loop
Finally, the cleaning loop happens to so that the automation can measure the germs. If there was no loop polluted stuff would be output before it can be cleaned and it'd stay in the pipe and not get cleaned there, in fact, it'd grow more germs while in the pipe
Even if you had a pressure sensor it only would measure how much was in the pipe at that point between 0 and 1 kg, the reservoir can hold 150kgs
nice. I found one of those vents myself recently. good timing!
I was wondering, do these tanks make it easier to cool gasses or liquids as well? since the tank itself has alot of mass you could make a similiar setup to cool the tank when empty and then fill it. Or is that just too much?
Amazing! Been watching most of your vids, you are the best of all the ONI video makers. But...Because this particular video was so AWESOME... I subscribed !
We needed something like this by now
I know it's Brothgar's memnotic for remembering how an S-R Latch works, but wouldn't a light-switch be an XOR gate? (if you switch either switch in a room, it will toggle the lights).
An S-R Latch would be having an "on" button and an "off" button for your light: you don't have to hold the 'on' button down to turn the lights on, nor do you have to hold the 'off' button down to turn the light off. you just hit the "on" button and if it wasn't on it turns on, and when you hit the off button if it wasn't off it turns off.
I think he means a single switch; if you think about it like a rocker switch then you can press either the top or bottom half of the switch, with predictable results.
This will work as long as the superflow tank( above) has enough charge to fill loop below OVER capacity of pipes. If it does not, gas/liquid will cycle through pipes, not hitting tank - no cleanup. At the least you need either buffer gate on output valve from top tank, or manual switch to allow dupes to make system work/restart.
if you know how long it takes to kill the slime lung in a full tank why not put it on a timer instead of a loop?
Because it's not quite so simple to know how much time. To kill 8 slime lung it takes 44 seconds, to clean 16 it takes 55 seconds, there is probably some theoretical maximum amount of germs and a number of seconds that covers it (1billion germs takes nearly 6 minutes) but then some of the time you might input 1000 germs and have completely clean gas not able to do anything cause it's waiting on a timer for 4 minutes.
I have had moderate success using a Clock Sensor, what I was doing is filling one tank during the first half of a cycle, then filling another tank during the second half of a cycle. I found that 3/4ths into the cycle, the first tank would be completely free of all germs. I then spent the last 1/4 of a cycle emptying the tank, I was only able to empty the tank about 80% in this amount of time though, but this setup only needs three clock sensors, three valves, and no logic elements.
Something to consider; you may want to clean the polluted oxygen FIRST, then disinfect it. Pure Oxygen is inhospitable to slimelung so it should kill the germs faster with the chlorine doing extra cleanup. In time the oxygen could naturally kill off the slimelung but man that takes time.
I feel like since the change rate for being in chlorine is -100%/cycle, it'd be easy to just have a time delay to activate a pump, and then a cycle later empty the tank. Add more tanks till you have enough volume/cycle.
This method doesn't work when the input slows down - e.g. water from toilets. Eventually you have a small amount of dirty water/gas looping endlessly in the bottom chamber and it doesn't get clean because there is no enough to sit in the container.
I had more success with two chambers that open their shut-offs once a day to move sitting water along.
There is also the problem that a tiny amount of dirty water/gas can get through - but i think that is rather a bug with the germ-detector than this method.
I think Klee need to use a mechanism where a small amount of Chlorine can be consumed to make water/gas clean.
You are very efficient. Thank you for getting to the point quickly.
heres an idea:you get to use sandbox mode. and you have to build a self sufficent colony with the world provived. which means all duplicants will survive in (basically) an infinite amount of time. the amount of duplicants supported is your score.
with shutoff valves and timer device you would have all u need for a reliable disinfection,it takes 30W and is very easy to set up
good use to logic gates
i see you are a man of culture as well
now you need to get those oxalite producing pufts, scoop it up, transport the solid oxilite to storage.
Wow thanks! This is really useful for me because now I can remove all the germs that remain from the water distiller thing or whatever it was called so now I can use same water for food AND toilets etc.
YO! KISS is your answer. Create a main loop around the air resivour , with your germ-sorting-gas-shut-off and a gas valve to throttle the output of the gas tank by half. the use a gas bridge to tie the infecttion vent gas pump to the main line just after the germ-sorting-gas-shut-off. It gives priority to the main line as they merge, but it shouldn't be a problem sense the 2 halves would combine to 1000g at most and fit in the pipe.
Does it work in pipes too. Just a long snake of pipes. Though they did say the stuff in the containers should be completely isolated. So I suspect the chlorine effect might get patched.
Regarding bridges and whatnot. You can use a bridge to add a source into a loop without making the loop stop. That means once the loop is completely filled the source will stop and the loop keeps going.
I’ve found out this applies to the water tank too so I’m planning on making a treatment plant to sterilize water. Once I get some plastics
At 21:12 instead of measuring charges, would be easier if you just put a buffer/filter gate on the line of the element sensor that is already built.
Old but gold.
this is nice but if the devs decide to remove this solution. how efficient would it be to kill the germs by heat while using the same or similar set up?
For dirty water you can heat it up making steam and dirt. Then automatically pick up the dirt. Use a steam turbine to cool the steam to water. Then send the water to your cold side room to bring it to a good temp. Then you will have dirt and cool water from dirty water.
Might want to add a buffer to set signal; otherwise you run the risk of getting backed up since once the tank is clean, it doesn't seem to dump all the gas in one cycle; so perhaps if no gas is detected for 2 sec? Also if possible all tanks should be in the CL.
Smooth model, loved it. Can't wait for more !
This is EXACTLY what I need
Thought about using reservoir as cooling loop? You can use temperature sensor there too
You can also store multiple gases inside the tanks theoretically that will also clean gases inside them
Interesting idea for using the room I build to contain the chlorine gas "volcano". I generally use it to farm plants that require chlorine: balm liliy and dasha saltvines. But for the infected polluted oxygen vent "volcano", I simply build a room full of 20 or more deodorizers to clean up the polluted oxygen and find that most slimelung coming out of that kind of "volcano".
couldn't you use a setup where you have 2 tanks where each tank will only take input while the other is outputting and it will only output after being disinfected. I think that might be less complicated.
hey brothgar if you take a gas bridge into the bottom loop before the germ sensor then you have the one kg packets and restrict the flow (and just now I just thought that is dumb nevermind but if you can make this work then you are a god of duplicents)
This video is awesome. Just yesterday I tried to do this in my current playthrough but I'm still really new to the game so I was unsure of how to do it.
hey brothgar, me again. do you think it would be possable to transfer liquid gold thats around 2626*C from a gold volcano to a watter source to make steam and finaly have the steam turbine work?
Could you make a solid rocket system where the scaffolding doesn't overheat every time you launch? And where you won't have to worry about bunker doors getting destroyed when the rocket returns.
the liquid storage is great for the metal refinery it balances the temps o he liquid and plus its just efficient when it comes o filling the refinery and emptying it, the same setup for the oxygen system filtration can be used but with liquid shutoff valves and liquid pipe temp sensor.
Brothgar i would love to see the system for the latrine
edit: missed a t for metal LOL
The exact same blueprint can be applied to water, but note that the research three for this automated build is pretty large as the germ sensors require plastic, which require oil refinment, which require you to go down to magma. A good compromise for early game, since you have to treat waste water early on, is to use a single reservoir, with an intake and and output shutoff valve, put the same loop as he has so you dont get germ water stuck on the output pipe. Then have both valves signal to a manual switch, this way you will be able to control the water In and Out manually. Since you dont have the germ scanner yet, YOU are the germ scanner =-) so when your tank is germ free, open the output signal =),
Absoloutly amazing
Nice video but this one looks like Klei nerf fodder ;-(
You used the phrase "primary outlet" (or something similar) to describe some property of flow through a valve. Wrt to bridges my understanding is that a fluid packet will always cross the bridge and only enter a pipe connected to the bridge's inlet node if the other end of the bridge is full - is this what is happening with valves too ? Have you tutorialed this behavior anywhere ?
Cos that looks like something Klei are not nerfing so would be more use in the longer term - unless I have things confused ;-)
What actualy happens when you break down a gas reservoir full of gas? Does it disapear or gets spreaded all over the place?
you know you can do this without automation if you know your consumption rates of your systems. i tend to use one tank for my kitchen one tank for each farm end even one for my washrooms(no looping although you still could. but its mostly for the manufacture and usage of the pwater). if the system only uses the water periodically they self maintain the fluid levels in the chlorine rooms. these are fed by a main storage/decontamination room that have about 6 storage tanks giving plenty of time for these to clean before consumption.
if the 6 are running at full capacity they will kill any incoming germs within the first 4 tanks. the germs only transfer a % of their germs when transferring between full containers, the first incoming tank will get a full amount of the germs and each tank will take about 10% of the germs of the previous tank. once the germ count is less then 1k it wont even transfer to then next tank .
Ever thought of making a quick little diagram for your logics? This video is not the first one where I had to pause to catch up :D Would be way easier to follow, especially, when you cut out stuff inbetween :) Like these informatics diagrams for describing classes, I'm not sure how they are called in english, maybe state diagram? Anyway, there are a ton of free tools for that and if you don't want to get into an nwe program for that, paint would suffice, too, I think.
For this circuit it would be something like this in diagram form:
if switch on -> close upper (system) else open upper
if upper not full -> enable switch
if lower not full -> switch on
if lower germfree -> open lower else close lower
And there we go doing some light coding... Honestly, I don't get why they didn't call this Memory Toggle a Flipflop and I always trip over it in my brain :D
Oh, I hope, you still show your finding process in another video then, I'm actually quite enjoying it, that wasn't meant as critic, more of a suggestion so we can follow your thoughts easier. So for example, sometimes you take notes for yourself, or little sketches, right? Just include that. And when the first version doesn't work, show your first idea of the second, too. I would really like to see the thought process :) We are all capable of just copying your ideas, but I want to actually understand why you did things the way you do, so these videos are essentially the reason I prefer your channel over some others :D
do you need a closed room for chlorine to work? or can i have an open pit of polluted water and have the gas sitting on top of it?
Wanted to mention using a timer but I'm seeing other people doing so already... but I'm going to mention it anyways!
One timer set to be active half of the day, two tanks in chlorine. During first half of the day, new germy oxy is sent to tank 1, tank 2 is allowed to empty. During second half of day, germy oxy is sent to tank 2, and tank 1 can empty. This way all polluted oxygen has 1/2 a day to disinfect, and you have a one tank worth of constant input/output.
19:21 Gas element sensor before your bridge on the left up stream. If detects gas shut off valve up stream. Boom fixed. Wont need over flow. Or all that extra pipe.
Nice, even if its a bit more complicated than the one i use, a clock, shut off valves and 2 tanks that alternate every half cycle.
Nice nice nice find!I wonder though. Do you think Klei may nerf (aka fix) this, as with drip cooling?