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The only Skyblock I've ever played is Gregblock, which is a modpack that uses Gregtech and Ex Nihilo and a lot of other mods to enhance Skyblock. You don't get water or lava, just a tree and an island. You need to collect rain or heat spare saplings to make the water, and compost spare saplings into dirt to sift for pebbles to make cobblestone, and use wooden crooks to get extra saplings and silkworm eggs, and use those silkworm eggs to infect a few trees for string, and slowly but surely work your way up to a full set of iron crafting tools (hammer, saw, file, bending cylinder), a bucket, slime boots, water columns, full-scale mob farms, followed by getting bronze and diving into steam-powered machinery. Oh, and that machinery is where the real Gregblock starts.
Mojang & Microsoft: "Don't sell mods or maps, it's unfair to the community...... BTW, come spend money in our marketplace with stolen mods, and creator ideas 😃."
💀 And the worst part is that it's true. Like seriously they forced the physics mod pro to become free yet they are doing this like this... JUST MAKES ME MAD and more than i normally get at stuff like this but this... oh this... is freaking insane like this should be illegal on a MASSIVE level like if that judge rules in the favor of the companies then that judge was definitely paid off if they did know the history and context.
i feel bad for bedrock players, java players get mods and datapacks for free, and its easy to create them. meanwhile bedrock players have to use a stupid marketplace and have to pay money for everything
They wont even go against blatantly stolen mods/ideas either even when sending legit DMCA claims and similar so yeah - not really suprising honestly :7
It's crazy how instead of having a long lasting legacy for his contribution of one of the greatest minecraft maps of all time, noobcrew's work is instead just being exploited, with the "creators" of the game actively encouraging it because money. The minecraft community has a rich history that's unfortunately overshadowed by the exploitation of it's popularity, really sad
It's really sad to see just how exploitative that marketplace has become. As soon as I realised "minecoins" were a thing I was appalled, considering Mojang themselves had an April Fools update that jokingly introduced the same concept as a point of satire- seeing them go from making fun of microtransactions to being forced to put microtransactions into their game because of Microsoft's greed is disgusting, and it's been like this for years. I haven't enjoyed Minecraft in a while because it feels like all the passion for the project died behind Mojang's closed doors years ago... and Microsoft is puppeteering the body to squeeze as much money out of this dead horse as they can. And it works. Because Minecraft is the most popular videogame of all time. I'm honestly just gonna sit by and wait for Hytale if that EVER comes out. In the meantime I always got Terraria! The difference in attitude towards development that Terraria's dev team has over Minecraft's is night-and-day. Terraria still stands as a prime example of what passion and good consumer practices can look like in the big Indie game success scene. Because remember, Minecraft was an indie game at one time. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
@@KaiwalaPersonally I've been playing Vintage Story as of late, I think the only time I have fired up Minecraft in the past couple years is to try out a new mod or modpack, like Create. I just wish combat in vanilla VS was a bit less basic than it is right now.
Skyblock, a free map you can just download from internet or download with a mod launcher is sold for 3-10 in closed minecraft environment? Yo wtf?? Kids these days know nothing.
Yup, I pirate most of my addons. All you need is an .mcaddon or .mcpack file to install it on pc or android. If you want to get the addon on an xbox or playstation, you can upload those addons to a Realm and download the mods on the other device that way
@@shocktnc This is about a trademark issue not a copyright issue. The audacity in telling others to go read a book when you can't even read the comment you're replying to properly even though it only contains a single sentence.
0:41 $7.45 for Skyblock is insane!! Every random map costing about a quarter of the price of Minecraft is stupid. At least on Java, we can download mods that change the entire game for free.
The marketplace is basically selling what was popular free content for java, slowly getting close to producing a watered down version of the classic mods available on java like tinkerers forcing those original modders to create the "port" for themselves first to secure ownership and provide quality to the best od their ability with limited tools. The big incentive for getting addons is the ability to play with console players due to the majority of Minecraft players playing on consoles instead of ever jumping over to PC.
And they had the audacity to say that people can make their own addon on there by joining the creator program (which is a gaslit fueled lie. Because it is a business. Not a place for individual modders to sell their own addons.)
Yep, that's the thing that makes Java players hate Bedrock with such a burning passion. It's the fact that the Marketplace is used to take things that used to be free and put them behind a paywall.
It is entirely possible to just create and install resource and behavior packs for free and the same would presumably go for mods, if one were to actually mod the game(Which is not really a thing at the moment). Bedrock is more restrictive than Java in a technical sense, but there is nothing physically stopping players from engaging with it the way they want to. On PC and to a lesser degree phones at least. Consoles are sadly screwed, but that's not particularly diffrent from how it was in Console Edition.
@@clothieredward5248 I mean, more because Bedrock itself is generally an inferior half-baked knockoff that can hardly do half the things Java can mod-wise :V
this shit is why i stopped being a modder. years ago I saw this happening, people making work for free, then companies taking that work and profiting from it, then the original creator not only gets nothing, but accused of being the selfish ones because they dont want people stealing their work and making money from it.
Could always try to put some sort of hard-to-remove function in the mod that was integral to the functions of said mod that said who the copyright belongs to and if it was stolen or not.
@@Silver_Semtexagonthat doesn't stop people from taking every aspect of your mod and making their own bootleg of it. The marketplace isn't a direct port of mods, its a cheap copy of them made to sell to bedrock users, its not made to be a 1:1 replica but instead a close enough copy to gain the favor of people interested in the original mod/map
If you don't pirate games, you're actively harming everyone by buying into taking away everyone's rights but if you pirate it and distribute large collections of data at a copy party, you're a hero.
Not surprised by microsoft doing this but its still rather disrespectful and distasteful good way to show your consumers hey we will do anythjng to get money from you even if its going to backfire piss you off and screw you over
The community has banded together and protested against something we disliked before, the mob vote. We can try once more to support someone, or at least get bad press on the company.
@@LuckyMonker Yeah but that didn't affect their profits at all, it was just a silly little publicity stunt that they had no issue doing away with. Remember, at the same time the community banded together against chat reporting, account migration, removing C418, etc. and nothing has happened. Trying to get them to ease up on microtransactions? Forget it.
Companies with a WAY more generic trademark than skyblock: Windows (hypocrites smh) Target X Apple Purple Doom Dune Etc. Skyblock is absolutely not generic
The way TheMisterEpic narrated was misleading. In the image that was shown on screen, it clearly says that the term is understood by the *relevant considering party* as a type of Minecraft world which has islands of blocks in the sky. What this is pointing at is that the name sky block has become generalized to encompass offshoots of the original map such that it’s become a genre of Minecraft map and therefore, is generic and not trademarkable
@@thatrandomguy8124 Its arguably better for the community that skyblock isnt trademarked. This isnt overreach by microsoft and its legal team, rather, its them upholding the ability of people to use the name skyblock
I'm on Noobcrew's team here, the sheer amount of fraud going on the marketplace is intense, and yet, Microsoft's incentivized to just screw over the original creator, because Skyblock is an intense money printer
I find it absolutely insane that people spend money on the Minecraft Marketplace. Buying cosmetics is one thing, but spending money on what’s already free? Are they stupid or something?
marketplace is set up to target children and less tech savvy bedrock players who might not know how to import their own maps, mods or skins to bedrock. it specifically lets trends, stolen work and stolen concepts run the front pages cause it becomes a money printer when children who don't know better buy it. this has been a long running issue and debate ever since the microsoft store launched in Minecraft and it just continues to get worse with Microsoft turning a blind eye unless they're forced to act, pushing smaller creators aside and even going so far as to make it a legal battle like in this case.
If you think that's how that works you really understand very little. If you ask the average Minecraft player what company is associated with Minecraft most will know it's Mojang or Microsoft. The term hasn't been watered down by dozens of games calling themselves "Minecraft" and the companies can easily show a history of defending the Minecraft name from misuse. Meanwhile if you ask the average person playing ANY version of Skyblock where the original idea came from most will not know, and the original creator never did anything to even imply he didn't want others using the name. Now Skyblock in fact IS a term used for more maps than just his... I mean FFS dude one of the companies disputing his trademark is a ROBLOX GAME CREATING COMPANY. And by the way this was about Trademarks, not copyright. Quite a difference. And this creator that is supposedly an angel by everyone else's descriptions... by his own admission started filing DMCA's and such BEFORE his Trademark was ever accepted AND also tried to trademark the term "SkyWars" despite literally not having anything to do with the creation of Skyblock Warriors (created by Swipeshot) because and I quote "I did coin the term "SkyWars""... so the same guy we are supposed to be all up in arms defending because Microsoft supposedly is stealing something he never truly owned... also basically tried swiping something else right out from under another old mod creator... with the reasoning that he made up a better name for it.. Mind you Microsoft was fighting that trademark too before Noobcrew gave that one up.
I feel so bad for Noobcrew, it must be so demotivating having a billion dollar company (Microsoft) against you. We need more people like Noobcrew, he is standing up for his morals even if it will end badly.
I don't feel that bad for him and I feel many people are being FAR too charitable to him. Dude made a map that he didn't defend the name of for almost a decade and then when he realized other people were making money off it SUDDENLY it's important that his is recognized as the original and others cant.... aka he just wants some of that money too by having the only one labelled as "Original Skyblock" on the marketplace. Mind you, no he doesn't own Skyblock and it doesn't take much legal knowledge to figure this out. I mean first off to have a copyright or trademark on anything you have to have a history of defending it from other's misuse... which again there was almost a decade where he never tried to do ANYTHING about skyblock ripoffs and clones.. so he's already lost that. Secondly you can't OWN a game mod/map/etc that you've made... I mean even outside of the ToS that usually says so, the law says so. Your rights cannot supersede the rights of the original game creators IF your mod/map requires THEIR game (Code/assets/music/etc) to function. Considering Skyblock is quite literally just arranging Minecraft assets in a specific layout... yeah good luck on arguing that's enough to qualify as not copyright infringement. Now you can say it's a dick move on Microsoft's part to oppose his trademark but uh guess what... that's part of the law. They aren't going to let him trademark something that is mostly THEIR assets and if they did they would start losing their trademarks.... remember that part where I mentioned HAVING to have defended your property for it to be trademarkable? Aka dude 100% opened himself up to this by going after a trademark because he wanted in on that marketplace money others made without understanding at all what he was doing. Being angry at Microsoft is pointless, as they are literally just doing what they have to. That entire part where this creator points oh "Oh look they are using him doing nothing about these copies as evidence against him, how mean" Like yeah dude... that's how you prove someone hasn't defended their work. It's EXTREMELY basic trademark/patent law. If there was even the SLIGHTEST bit of history showing that this dude cared before money was involved, I'd feel more for him... Instead right now it seems he's less worried about how his creation impacted the community and more about how it COULD have impacted his wallet if he squeezed it himself instead of letting others do it.
how is this even a debate, from what i've searched for like 30 seconds i found that the Original Skyblock map was made in 2011 while microsoft bought Mojang in 2014. This should make no legal sense for Microsoft to be able to lie about creating and owning that map.
At it's root? The relevant law doesn't care. Trademark is a consumer protection law, and as such it's logic is quite different from, say, copyright. First off, trademark only starts applying when you actually register the trademarked word/logo/likeness/whatever. Second, it only protects the term in markets that you actually operate in, both in terms of product catagory (Monster energy drink suing other companies that have the word 'monster' in the name of their products when said products are not even tangentally adjacent to 'energy drinks' and trying to force settlements from parties who don't have the time and budget to deal wtih the court cases is straight up engaging in extortion, when the case actually goes to court they lose hard anywhere that has trademark laws that haven't been warped into uselessness) and geographic location (that's a bit more complex regarding what does and doesn't get affected). Thirdly, if your brand name becomes the common term used by the general public for All products of that catagory, it becomes generecised, and the trademark is lost by way of being meaningless as your brand has simply become another word. That's why Google fought superhard against the use of the term 'to google' to mean 'to use a (any!) search engine to find something on the internet'... for all the advantages it gives them, it also greatly weakens the utility of the trademark itself. As a combination of these elements, if the word you're trying to trademark as the name of your product in particular has become the common, generic term for that catagory of items (or a sufficiently adjacent/overlapping one) Before you register it, you won't be able to, it will be invalid. Now, Copyright, on the other hand, That cares. He'd have a case for copyright. The problem is that, seperately, Microsoft would also have a case against him for making the thing in the first place (doesn't matter who owned the copyright at the time, Microsoft owns it Now, and copyright works very differently from trademark). And microsoft persuing such a case, and Winning, would functionally make moding in general illegal unless one first attained an explicit license from the rightsholder. Which would be, frankly, a disaster for the wider video game industry and community. (its' actutually a lot more complicated than that. In some ways it wouldn't be as bad as that sounds, in others it would be quite a bit worse. And no one who actually knows how the industry actually works wants that to happen. The problem is that the exeutives and shareholders of the big corporations operating within the video game industry Don't actually understand how it works. They sure do understand (or have lawyers who understand and can explain it to them in small enough words) IP law and how to use it to engage in legalized extortion though!
Microsoft's argument seems to be not that they created and own the map, but rather that "Skyblock" has become such a generic term disconnected from its original author that he should no longer have the right to trademark it. Like how "photoshopping an image" or "googling something" have become generic verbs to say editing an image or searching something online, but I guess this doesn't apply to billion-dollar tech companies
That's why it's important to publish everything with a license. Even simple disclaimer, that skyblock is shared under a GPL would let noobcrew avoid all this mess.
He was prob just a random kid trying to make interesting stuff for the community. He didn't even know that his map would gain so much attention that he has to fight a long ass legal battle with 12 different powerful studios/companies
Sadly even that is not enough Because companies even take stuff from the Public domain and in the worst case even sue the orginal Creator it's basically going Linux open source license (because it also forces everything created from it to have the same license) or go home
Minecraft Java map creators and modders: Make cool new concepts and release them for free Minecraft Bedrock map creators and modders: Steals stuff that Java guys made and re sells for real money them without crediting the original creator.
for the experience, I dropped 50-60 bucks at the MP this week. The stuff is second rate copies. What I see is a lot of BR players saying how great it is. How the hell do they know? playing on phones and old consoles... It's like 2 separate games.
@@strange-universe genuinely, at the price point people pay for consoles these days, you can get a pc that is far better for a similar price, ESPECIALLY if you are willing to actually learn a few things, it isn't even all that difficult, and if you find it kinda difficult, there are plenty of guides online to help you with it. Just buy or build a pc and get minecraft there, it's ten times better.
@@DakumunDahBatit amazes me that console gaming is still as big as it is, given everything you just said (which I completely agree with). Honestly the console wars still going on to the extent that it is, at least to me, just seems harmful to the gaming world as a whole.
They're trying to keep increasing profits despite having basically maxxed out the number of users due to their vast reach. Unlimited upwards growth is just plain unsustainable, but that doesn't stop people from trying...
We're stealing skyblock now? Why is everything being stolen these days {Like I mean why can't you credit the person you're using it from at least or ask their permission}
Buying skyblock in general is crazy just step 1 flatworld in creative fly upwards and throw like twenty dirt blocks and a tree down alongside the preset chest this is crazy
@@barerninja970it isnt that simple, flat world type is usually based 3 blocks from the minimum block level while skyblock is ALOT higher up. Which you can't adjust on bedrock
Flatworld only has 1 biome. You will not be able to get all items using a flatworld. You will never be able to get snow, bamboo, mushrooms, bees, etc etc.
@@seanaesWhat? I love how you are just straight up uneducated on ownership laws, so you just say some dumb shit. Minecraft isn't gonna fuck you bro, get help
i have no idea how people manage to mess it up just dig a hole 4 blocks wide dig 1 in one of the center blocks then place water at the side with 1 block and lava for the last step its not that hard bruh its 4 steps💀💀💀
It's definitely already become a generic term though. He should have applied for a trademark back before everyone made skyblock content and maps, and then required licensing to use the skyblock name
@@lomiification if something is almost always used as a generic term then you CAN lose the trademark (its called genericide or genericization) However despite that,there is still some things that people use as a generic term yet its still trademarked(velcro) escalator was also trademarked however is no longer so And also the term tower defense is still somehow trademarked despite it being a random noname mobile game company(com2us) who claimed it despite the fact that its a name of a FUCKING GENRE and nobody i know associates it with them(and its also the reason bloons tower defense was renamed to bloons td,you think it'd just be a shorter name but no,its the full name because of the trademark) So sometimes,it gets genericized,other times not even if people use it as a generic term
@@SkyButNo Omg thats not the point you bozo, when talking about phone brands you have APPLE, thats the trademark, Windows is an OS, thats the trademark, SKYBLOCK now has no identity of its own, its literally been made a gamemode genre for all games, it became so popular that now you have roblox skyblock, fortnite skyblock and even more, skyblock has no identitiy by its own, its like trying to trademark escalator, which was trademarked, but it lost its trademark SO, that freaking argument makes no sense when talking about TRADEMARK LAWS
Calling "Skyblock" a generic name is absolute insanity. The fact that claim could even begin to hold up legally is proof that the law does not care about who is right or wrong, it only cares about who has more money to pile up lawyers against people.
What's so insane about it? There are even "skyblock" maps for Terraria. People absolutely use that term to generically refer to that type of game mode.
@@zqlk256 Yeah, but people use the term in reference to the original Skyblock map. That's like saying that there are Pokemon mods in Minecraft, therefore Pokemon must be a generic term. This logic is so stupid
@@Jane-qh2yd If Nintendo doesn't come after people for selling pokemon stuff the term will become generic and they will lose the trademark, just like what happened with skyblock
Defending the name of your copyright is a part of copyright law, if you don't defend it, it becomes generic. You not understanding the law doesn't make it evil.
I knew Microsoft buying Mojang was gonna be bad. Smaller companies selling themselves out to big corporations is NEVER a good idea. Yet they never seem to learn.
I still remember back when Microsoft first bought Minecraft, and they were responding to a letter asking them not to change the game too much, they said they wouldn't. a bit later, they added the marketplace and I knew it was downhill from there
I think this is the best and clearest example of the importance of regulations, and that a "free market" system is simply antithetical to innovation and creativity.
What we have nowadays barely counts as "free market", the governments of the world already picks winners and losers, and you can bet a shiny nickle that it's not the small guys that they pick to win.
Quite literally everything I've seen about the Microsoft/Minecraft Marketplace just cements it as the most scummy, exploitative excuse for a in game marketplace I've seen Such as there being no confirmation prompt before purchasing anything and all sales, no matter what, are FINAL and no refunds
You know what's funny? There's a resource pack called Ty'el UI that available for free on curseforge, it overhauled the bedrock UI from menu, inventory, containers, with TONS of small useful UI and features too.* IT also has confirmation prompt before you purchasing any paid content on marketplace, it is like middle finger to microsoft because they cannot implement that very simple prompt but community can.*
6:52 It specifically refers to itself as "this version of the original skyblock" - implying that it isn't THE original, despite it being virtually identical. Technically false advertising since it basically IS the original map ported to Bedrock (potentially with a few very minute changes), but at the very least they aren't claiming to be the original creator like Razzleberries. Edit:It is technically written in a misleading way however, effectively tricking users into thinking it IS the original.
Legally speaking you can call a recreation original in any way, shape, or form, you have to use classic, even if a company holds copyright of a brand and remakes something without the original creator involvement they open themselves to charges of impersonation and or false advertisement That word has a lot of power when it comes to intellectual property
That doesn't really matter very much when that version is titled "Original Skyblock". That description is just there so that when someone is, inevitably, mislead into thinking it was the original, the people who uploaded it can point there and say "but we say right here that it isn't :) it's just a version of it :)". They're banking on marketplace users only looking at the title.
It's things like this that make my blood boil. All this is is pure greed and corruption from big companies taking advantage of loopholes to punish anyone they don't agree with. Noobcrew is 100% in the right here as he used a tool (Minecraft) to create his own original work (Skyblock). That's like if someone created a game using a Game Engine and then find out that the game engine company has been saying they created the game with zero credit to the original creator.
What is Noobcrew's original work? What assets in Skyblock is original? It's just Minecraft. Anyone can reproduce it. Why is Noobcrew trying to trademark it? I am sorry that people are trying to copy his map but forcing a trademark on vanilla Minecraft is stupid and he deserves this.
@@newtextdocument Noobcrew didn't simply "reproduce" Minecraft. Instead, he used the game as a platform to create original content-a unique game mode called Skyblock. This is analogous to how many developers use game engines to create entirely new games, even though the engines themselves are not theirs. Noobcrew created something transformative within Minecraft, adding original content and gameplay mechanics. This differs from merely recreating Minecraft, which would be a copyright violation. His work, therefore, falls under what could be seen as a derivative work that provides additional value. This is not "reproducing" Minecraft but using a tool to create something new. The key here is that while Minecraft is the underlying platform, Skyblock is an original creation by Noobcrew that has become iconic in its own right. It would be akin to creating a mod or level using a game engine. The original game engine creators still own their technology, but the new work (the mod or game mode) belongs to the person who created it unless otherwise stated by the terms of service or license agreement. It was more transformative than straight up stealing.
There are problems on both sides; People defending the bad decisions Microsoft makes as company, such as removing bedrock developer mappings, are being taken advantage of to advocate for decisions that weren't made to benefit players. People slamming Minecraft development for not being good enough are only attacking the developers who put a lot of hard work and effort into designing the new updates. It's crucial to separate Microsoft the "company" from the individual developers who put a lot of passion into their work. In this video even, you can see the night and day difference between *Microsoft's* response and KingBDog's response.
its microsoft, not mojang, or minecraft. Microsoft is a for profit company, with the goal of making as much profit as they can. Mojang is a game studio, owned by microsoft, trying to please microsoft. And minecraft is just a game.
Honestly im hoping he wins mainly because nowadays i just love seeing certain businesses plummet in sales, especially if they're corrupted like those on the minecraft marketplace
Mojang should add their own copyright system to the marketplace so if you made an original game, others shouldn’t be able to copy it. Although the only ones who can copy it is Mojang because they are the owners of the game of course they can make anything if they choose to. This will incentive more creative content. Another thing that they should add is remixes, so if you want to make SkyBlock and mix it up to be different, it will go under the original SkyBlock section if you scroll down. It will say “remixes” and under it is a whole lot of versions of SkyBlock. This will solve the whole naming problem with SkyBlock which was honestly not a big deal anyways, most people who will watch this video will forget about the naming problem anyways. The only one who cares about it is the original owner of SkyBlock which why would he really even care about it in the first place? Does he want more fame or does he want people to not get scammed out of a free map he made? If he made a free SkyBlock map why does he not put it on the marketplace himself to prevent people from getting scammed out of their money? Why go through all the troubles into getting into a lawsuit which he will probably lose?
Instead of promoting the creators and protecting them, they steal from them. In the end talented people will just find another game to mod. But it's Microsoft so I'm not surprised...
and forgot to mention that the pvp packs on the market place are actually so bad, idk how their even accepted, any average pack maker can probably make better ones
Is this why I had so much trouble making the official launcher work and eventually just gave up and used PolyMC and GDLauncher (which I now realize is way superior to the official)
@@Itz_CH1P No. At least I don't think so. I got my copy of Java years ago when Bedrock was still called Bedrock and not just purely called Minecraft. I got Bedrock for free after Microsoft bought Minecraft, and people got Java for free if they owned Bedrock at the time. But now I'm seeing when I go to buy Minecraft it says you get both for 30$ (USD). A lot of people might just own both copies of the game. If on PC you can easily check if you own both by using the launcher and clicking the play/download button.
@@Itz_CH1P Java edition isn't free. Not normally/legally anyway. Though Java and Bedrock do get sold as a single unit these days to my understanding (well, on PC, but that's the only platform that can actually Run both anyway). Mods for Java edition, on the otherhand, Are.
@@twiglegg508 in all seriousness I get your point and I wholeheartedly agree that companies shouldn't be allowed to own the creative works of their communities
I feel like this cases should be fought without lawyers. Representatives just should get on the court, judge should hear them out, examine the evidence, and then say what the sentence will be. It's not fair that company with infinite money can do things like that
You are missing some information here, as the creator of the video doesn't seem to understand trademark law. You can only have a trademark if it doesn't already mean something else within context. If you say "I am going to install windows on my computer" no one will think you are going to install Linux, as these are known to be 2 different things. For this reason Windows can be trademarked for operating systems. You could likely still open a window cleaning store called "Windows", as long as you don't copy any of the other branding (the logo, the color scheme etc). If you say "I am going to play Skyblock", it is not implied that you will play Noobcrews Skyblock. Skyblock has become a general term for the gamemode of being on an island in the sky. This would be similar to trademarking the terms "Gaming", "Video game" or "Playing games". These terms are all no longer related to one seller or company, they are generic. If a term is generic it cannot be trademarked anymore. Microsoft is the good guy in this case, saying everyone should be able to use the term "Skyblock", not just Noobcrew.
@@mutsgarfield6887 This has precedence in the mind of millenials. I remember being a teenager when suddenly we weren't allowed to call band-aids, bandaids anymore, we had to call them medical adhesives.
The thing that irks me most about this is the fact that the MAJORITY of these sales all came from _children_ buying it, or asking their parents to buy it... Children that likely have no clue that they aren't the original Skyblock maps. This kind of thing should be ILLEGAL, but typical for corrupt capitalism... Its not.
techincally what those companies are doing is illegal, i can't recall the term but it's something to do with misleading product or just straight up theft
@@My_Old_YT_Accounthonestly there’s enough evidence and people to side with the original creator there’s a good chance we could win a lawsuit against them
I think what he is asking for is reasonable. He will probably win the legal battle if it ever gets to court but it sounds like the larger companies know they aren't going to win and since his request is reasonable they are starting to change. He is not attacking them like nintendo does for even the slightest affiliation he simply just wants people to know that they are not playing the origonal version which is not that big a deal.
The problem is that it seems like the corporations involved are seeking to make sure the process of him getting justice will move so slowly that either… 1:He gives up due to lack of funds to keep paying lawyers 2:The thiefs get the case given to a judge thats extremely pro business and its thrown out 3:Appeal until it reaches scotus,which will make a batshit ruling that says copryright/trademark is a one way street and that only large corporations can have it. 4:He settles for an undisclosed sum to drop the trademark and cease demanding credit for his own work. Said sum is not nearly as much as they made, so they still come out ahead.
@@redenginnerin the event that the first is happening, i dont rhink he'll quit due to lack of money any lawyers he can find would ve stupid to not stick with him, because if he wins he could receive millions of dollars (i dont think he wants to go that route but theft is still theft and the companies that have been falsely earning money under the skyblock name should have to pay)
No he wont, because he is doing it under the claim of Trademark, and Trademarks can be completely and utterly lost if it becomes a generic term for something.... It's sometimes called "Genericide". Xerox, Google, Kleenex, Hoover, and many more companies have fought hard to avoid their brands becoming a generic term, or they'd lose the capability of stopping others from using the name. Like a wet wipe could literally have had the name kleenex on it, despite it not being the brand Kleenex, like "Uber Bango Wipes, the best Kleenex for your bum!", because that term would simply be "A wet wipe", because it is so commonly used like that. This is like the fifth comment I've seen in a short amount of time completely misunderstanding trademarks.
tbh, i don’t think that the creator has much of a case here. Here’s a comparison, imagine you make an plugin for Adobe After Effects. If Adobe 1:1 copies your feature and puts it in their next version of After Effects, should you be able to sue? I don’t think so, your work was built on their platform, after all. I think that the same thing applies here, even if what Microsoft is doing is scummy.
@@shocktnc That was years ago. People play Minecraft, Minecraft becomes boring, Minecraft gets updated, People play Minecraft, Minecraft becomes boring, Minecraft gets updated, People play Minecraft, Minecraft becomes boring, and again and again and again and again. Modding is what's making Minecraft more successful nowadays, if gone then the game would slowly die with a small amount of players playing it.
Yes and no, for the most part yes, but you don't automatically lose a copyright because someone is infringing on it that you did not know about. Its not straightforward (for a reason), otherwise someone could secretly infringe on a copyright for a few years and then claim no takesies backsies (that is the legal term 😉)
Not ENTIRELY true. Trademarks are enforced on a case by case basis. If you want to keep hold of a trademark, you need to enforce it sometimes, but trying to enforce it everytime is...literally impossible. Lots of times, you see corporations not enforce it for years and then throw the book at some rando, essentially saying, "This is ours, you fuck with us, you get the horns."
Companies learned their lesson with mods when the original Dota got famous on Blizzard's warcraft 3 and spawned countless games like League of Legends. If you check the user agreement for any game you can pretty much guarantee to see "We own the right to any community modifications blablabla"
I was a moderator on the official Skyblock server for about half a year, and actively in the community for twice that, it was a friendly place with nothing but wholesome vibes. I hope Noobcrew comes out on top.
On one hand it’s nice to have a unified Minecraft version with crossplay so people can play on a lot of different platforms (especially on mobile), but on the other hand greed becomes even more prevalent…
The market place is poorly(ok yes HORRIBLY moderated) is very bad but most ppl play bedrock edition so it lets so many people play Minecraft because bedrock exists so no Microsoft make bedrock bad.
marketplace & heavy monetization* if those didn't exist, bedrock would be a perfect edition just like java and bedrock players could enjoy the app without being slammed in the face twenty times by 'minecoins' or whatever.
@@shocktnc great part of players are from console, who don’t have easy access to mods, or even downloading maps and importing them into the files (unless things changed recently which i’m not aware of), which is why they’re trying to make skyblock a buyable map. Console players will buy it.
@@scrapzarchive It's not about sales, it's about intellectual property. I don't know the legality in its totality, but I have heard many times that there is the possibility to lose your intellectual property, if its distribution via homebrew or other unauthorized third party media becomes too ubiqutous, and the property holder is not seen as sufficiently acting in service of maintaining the exclusive rights over that property.
@@lordlierhook3368 Maybe, but I appreciate Nintendo's persistence on making good games. It seems that the higher ups there really care about the products they release.
I vaguely recall Stampy saying that he doesn't mind if others copy his world as long as they don't try to pass it off as the original. He's even visited copies made by others in the past. I think it's a reasonable and unspoken rule in the community that you can directly take the maps of others and showcase as long as you don't try to take credit for the work. You don't necessarily have to credit the creator, Ie "hey everyone welcome to the video. I found this map but I forget the name of the creator. it sure wasn't me tho". I believe shortly after lovely world ended, Stampy released his map on the marketplace and probably elsewhere for all to enjoy. Toycat has done the same thing and released his world. I believe the Hermits tried to do the same but idk the status of if they got on the marketplace or not. I think Truly Bedrock got in on the action as well.
@@wfr878 most of Stampys audience is either people who watched as kids or people who have kids and are rewatching. I'd bet it's mainly adults at this point that would want his world since they would be the only ones who have be able to binge SLW's 840 or so episodes. I personally did a recreation of Flower Power on bedrock back in 2015 for me and my siblings to play. I showed them the video and they wanted to play. I conveniently had a world to play immediately. It's gonna be the older crowd buying SLW and other youtubers maps. I'd buy a stampy plush if he had one (I missed out on the past opportunities due to lack of money to burn)
I remember playing minecraft back in 2012. It was so magical to me. I would waste countless days rotting away playing minecraft and watching DanTDM. These day's, I can bearly recognize the game. It's become so corporate, overcomplicated and cold. It doesn't have the same charm and magic it use to
7:15 You're telling me that they were the ones responsible for altering the course of the game I staffed for? The people raiding our discord server thinking it's because of Hypixel must've felt bad now
I wish there was something we could do to help him. I guess the only thing we can do is support in him his efforts to acquire the trademark and encourage him to continue pushing forward and to not give in to these greedy companies only caring for the money.
I don't think you understand what Capitalism actually is. This is a very anti-capitalist move by Microshaft. Capitalism is the word to describe the free market. There is absolutely nothing even remotely resembling a free market about this move.
@@unboxingabayonet4154 Yeah, but that's not true capitalism. Just like how dictatorship isn't "democracy" even though it can lead to it. Just because something can lead to something doesn't make that which it came from one and the same as that which it eventually became. What is happening here isn't Capitalism, it's Corporatism, also sometimes known as Croney Capitalism.
@@timothyvanhoeck233 No, the current situation (ie: no active trademark) is definitely capitalism. IP laws are *restrictions* on capitalism. Microsoft opposing the existence of a trademark is a capitalist move. If Microsoft were the ones trying to snag a trademark on "Skyblock" then they'd be anti-capitalist.
What a load of bs, I hope the ACTUAL original Skyblock creator wins and if they ever make a Skyblock game after all of this I'll support it without a doubt.
This is honestly one of the reasons I dont buy stuff from the marketplace. A lot of the stuff on it is stolen content that the original creator can't do anything about except watch as their creation get milked for thousands to millions of money. Unless it's an official version or someone list/link the original, I won't get anything on the marketplace. Not that I buy anything on it anyways because nothing there is actually worth my money. I really hope the creator of One block follows NoobCrew step and either file for a trademark or talk to Mojang because it's also a very milked content on the Marketplace and other content creators.
All good effect aside, Microsoft also removing "Holiday creator feature" without make any official announcements before removal, making 90% of add-on in internet became no longer functional, like bedrock port of Create mod.
my mentor once said “if you’re creating things for people to enjoy without profiting off of it, someone else will.” ethically this is wrong. but legally, nothing is breaking any laws
You could argue that it is false advertising / fraud to claim that your version of Skyblock is the original when it really is not. And if that was the case, then it would be breaking the law.
@@CidVeldoril It's also almost certainly copyright infringement...but that opens up a whoooooole other can of worms regarding the legal status of modding as a whole that no one wants to touch.
@@laurencefraser I imagine any such legal action based on mods ends, as soon as the judge asks "is your game using assets, textures or mechanics from the original game". Not how I wish it was, but that's the reality of modding, the only way(as far as I know) a modder can benefit financially from their work, is if the owner allows that and that may as well be its own can of worms.
Mojang/Microsoft loves to say they love the Minecraft community and that the game would not be what it is without them. Then they turn around and stomp on the very same community. Microsoft siding with the people ripping off Noobcrew’s work and claiming it as theirs is bullshit
That's actually sad... Rich companies going against an individual who made an innovative invention and tried to make it free for everyone, only for money... And there's nothing we can do.
Rich company against individual? God I hate these clickbait videos. The dude said it was okay FOR EVERYONE TO USE IT now he's mad becuase his little gamemode because so popular that other people are actually making lots of money out of it. Noobcrew should take the L and move on.
@@marciaquispe4472 dude just wants credit for being the "original", something a lot of these marketplace clones claim. How is this a bad thing for them to get the credit they deserve?
@@marciaquispe4472I don't think you watched the video. He doesn't want people to stop making money off of it. He just wants people to stop marketing their knock offs as the original
@@gabrielsofta944 >he just wants to do the good thing okay? jesus f... christ DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET If I say "hey lend me 100 USD, i will give you back 10000 USD okay?" Ofc it's a lie.
Honestly the whole marketplace is a scam. A lot of the stuff that is on the marketplace was literally free on java. Also most of them are stupidly overpriced.
You know why a lot of it was free on Java? It was illegal to monetize. You really think that programmers, artists, and other people, would not attempt to monetize something they've worked on for sometimes 100s if not 1000s of hours, if they could? And what is overprized? If someone knows what they make is niche, and they spent (collectively) a 100 hours on it. Then 7250$ would be "the minimum wage"... So saying Microsoft takes a substantial cut, let's just say 50% (It's their IP, they paid for it, and Mojang did most of the work in the first place), that means they would if they sold it at 10$ have to sell at least 7250 copies to just break even. And on something like Marketplace, only the most popular stuff sells well, the rest is relegated to a few interested... And if people are willing to pay? Well, technically it isn't overpriced, is it? Overpriced means people wont buy. There is so much wrong with your comment, and not understanding a lot of stuff. If people could be paid for the modding, they will. Quite a few modders of Java went to Bedrock specifically because they can... but selling mods in general is a copyright issue at its base, but not when sanctioned.
One of my favourite TH-cam series was a skyblock series from near its inception over a decade ago, it was so relaxing and wholesome seeing their world grow.
I'd be pissed too if greedy companies including Microsoft would stealing my creation, claim they made it and printing millions from it. This is why Minecraft bedrock is a joke.
I hate to say it but this likely to fail on the merits. You can't trademark a term in common parlance even if you are the one that came up with it. Noobcrew created the term and the mode in 2011 and made no attempt to control the IP for 8 years allowing it to enter common parlance. If he didn't want people to have free usage but not be able to profit off of it, he needed to immediately trademark the term and attach an open license with a non-profit clause to it when he released the map back in 2011. Even then, it would still likely fail on the merits given that it would constitute tortious interference on IP he doesn't own. He can't force Mojang or Microsoft how they monetize their own products. So the only thing that would give him 100% success would have been making his own game from scratch, Trademarking the name, and attaching an open license with a non-profit clause.
this is quite sad for me to say, but it seems like Bethesda treats their fans whom make mods for games like Skyrim or Fallout 4 with more respect than Microsoft does: in fact Microsoft is LUCKY that they still have players willing to make new stuff for their game to keep it going and all they're doing is shooting their players in the foot
Sadly it seems Microsoft's influence is leaking into the mods for Bethesda's games, Creations is looking more like Minecraft Bedrock's Marketplace, and there's like no moderation of what goes on there, so you got stolen stuff being put as paid content, just like the Marketplace.
@@wfr878 Fallout 4 Next Gen update was a whole different beast, it wasn't really to "destroy modders", it was definitely bad management, and Bethesda trying to fix the game but in old Bethesda fashion, they broke it.
If there’s any lesson to be learned here, it’s that if you invent something special, CONTACT A LAWYER. Protect yourself and your creation, it will be worth it in the long run.
What’s crazy is that he asked a ROBLOX developer “Hey can you change the name?” AND THEY LISTENED. The only one here who actually went “alright I can do that” without a fuss
honestly, it makes sense for the roblox devs to change the name. they aren't making anything off it(the game doesnt have microtransactions iirc), and the name "Islands" actually fits better to the game.
@@1337_bean what do you mean? Noobcrew is trying to prevent people from profiting off his own work. he could have just taken the game down(roblox will very frequently take down games to avoid any legal trouble), but he just wanted to protect his name. Microsoft is attempting to profit off his hard work, and ruin his livelihood
@@CreeperMind89 but instead you are wrong, since noobcrew has no right over the trademark or about the gamemode he cant just take down the game, if he didnt wanted nobody to profit from its idea he should of have trademarked it before it became a popular genre of gamemode
@@uremi. first of all, use proper grammar. I had a stroke reading this. second of all, he left it free to let everyone use it without the worry of paying or not being allowed to use it. when others started making people pay absurd prices for what he made for free, he took issue. he didn't want it to be trademarked so people could use it freely.
making things free is no longer possible anymore. anyone who builds something and makes it free out of the kindness in their heart will be taken advantage of by a corporation. this world is fucking rotten. fuck humanity.
How can you say fuck humanity and that the world is rotten when this video is living proof that there are still people fighting for the right thing out of the goodness of their hearts, even in the face of insurmountable odds like these? I feel like that alone is enough to warrant appreciation for humanity and its indomitable spirit. I know there are plenty of bad people out there and that humanity can be pretty fucked up, but there are plenty more good people doing amazing things even if it’s hard to see them amidst all of the clusterfuckery of modern media. At least remember this: Big Corpa wants you to lose hope and give into suffering so they can exploit you at your lowest. Cherish your hope and never let them win. As long as we’re still human there is still hope for this world❗️
@papawoolliest423 Y'know what, that's fair. The internet has opened us up to a wide array of people, but the algorithms want to show us what will make us angry since that's the most effective emotion for engagement. I agree that there still is room for hope and that humanity still always has opportunities to shine in a positive light. Thanks for your reply
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The only Skyblock I've ever played is Gregblock, which is a modpack that uses Gregtech and Ex Nihilo and a lot of other mods to enhance Skyblock.
You don't get water or lava, just a tree and an island. You need to collect rain or heat spare saplings to make the water, and compost spare saplings into dirt to sift for pebbles to make cobblestone, and use wooden crooks to get extra saplings and silkworm eggs, and use those silkworm eggs to infect a few trees for string, and slowly but surely work your way up to a full set of iron crafting tools (hammer, saw, file, bending cylinder), a bucket, slime boots, water columns, full-scale mob farms, followed by getting bronze and diving into steam-powered machinery.
Oh, and that machinery is where the real Gregblock starts.
Mojang & Microsoft: "Don't sell mods or maps, it's unfair to the community...... BTW, come spend money in our marketplace with stolen mods, and creator ideas 😃."
💀 And the worst part is that it's true. Like seriously they forced the physics mod pro to become free yet they are doing this like this... JUST MAKES ME MAD and more than i normally get at stuff like this but this... oh this... is freaking insane like this should be illegal on a MASSIVE level like if that judge rules in the favor of the companies then that judge was definitely paid off if they did know the history and context.
i feel bad for bedrock players, java players get mods and datapacks for free, and its easy to create them. meanwhile bedrock players have to use a stupid marketplace and have to pay money for everything
They wont even go against blatantly stolen mods/ideas either even when sending legit DMCA claims and similar so yeah - not really suprising honestly :7
@@bapyvillager349 thats only on console tbf
In other words, "Don't sell anything you didn't make unless we benefit from it too. If so, sign us up ASAP!"
7:54 “Minecraft” is a generic term used to describe any virtual game featuring both mining and crafting.
It was also originally the term for ships that deploy or defuse naval mines.
@@SupersuMC Dang now that would be a gutter punch to Microsoft.
"Microsoft" is a generic term used to describe the size and state of male genitalia of company's executives.
Yeah? What about Apple?
@@trento6842💀
It's crazy how instead of having a long lasting legacy for his contribution of one of the greatest minecraft maps of all time, noobcrew's work is instead just being exploited, with the "creators" of the game actively encouraging it because money. The minecraft community has a rich history that's unfortunately overshadowed by the exploitation of it's popularity, really sad
It's really sad to see just how exploitative that marketplace has become. As soon as I realised "minecoins" were a thing I was appalled, considering Mojang themselves had an April Fools update that jokingly introduced the same concept as a point of satire- seeing them go from making fun of microtransactions to being forced to put microtransactions into their game because of Microsoft's greed is disgusting, and it's been like this for years.
I haven't enjoyed Minecraft in a while because it feels like all the passion for the project died behind Mojang's closed doors years ago... and Microsoft is puppeteering the body to squeeze as much money out of this dead horse as they can. And it works. Because Minecraft is the most popular videogame of all time.
I'm honestly just gonna sit by and wait for Hytale if that EVER comes out. In the meantime I always got Terraria! The difference in attitude towards development that Terraria's dev team has over Minecraft's is night-and-day. Terraria still stands as a prime example of what passion and good consumer practices can look like in the big Indie game success scene.
Because remember, Minecraft was an indie game at one time. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
@@KaiwalaPersonally I've been playing Vintage Story as of late, I think the only time I have fired up Minecraft in the past couple years is to try out a new mod or modpack, like Create. I just wish combat in vanilla VS was a bit less basic than it is right now.
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My goat :)
Aint no way the situation was so serious that a GD player showed up
This is one of the biggest reasons why Java players hate bedrock. The marketplace is so terrible and you never know what you are even buying
imagine "buying" minecraft maps 🤓I guess in the future we will also have to buy air/oxygen?
Skyblock, a free map you can just download from internet or download with a mod launcher is sold for 3-10 in closed minecraft environment? Yo wtf?? Kids these days know nothing.
Yup, I pirate most of my addons. All you need is an .mcaddon or .mcpack file to install it on pc or android. If you want to get the addon on an xbox or playstation, you can upload those addons to a Realm and download the mods on the other device that way
Yurp
The Java edition is way better, sadly they’ve pretty much killed it
"Skyblock is too generic a term to trademark," says the company that trademarked "Windows."
And they are correct, go read copyright law please.
@@shocktnc This is about a trademark issue not a copyright issue. The audacity in telling others to go read a book when you can't even read the comment you're replying to properly even though it only contains a single sentence.
@@shocktnc Bro I studied copyright law. What you are suggesting is false.
@@shocktnc That is about trademark law, not copyright. The internet truly gets more and more stupid.
idk how even know how when x11 was released before windows 1 i thought
0:41 $7.45 for Skyblock is insane!! Every random map costing about a quarter of the price of Minecraft is stupid. At least on Java, we can download mods that change the entire game for free.
I love your PFP. I listen to the Osmos soundtrack every once in a while to just chill. Surprised anyone even remembers it.
You can still download them for free on bedrock pc and mobile too
you can do it for free on bedrock too
@@jherkin8516 And for free on Java....O right it is free on ALL versions.
It's also no wonder that M$ 💩 has been trying to abolish the Java version for years.
The marketplace is basically selling what was popular free content for java, slowly getting close to producing a watered down version of the classic mods available on java like tinkerers forcing those original modders to create the "port" for themselves first to secure ownership and provide quality to the best od their ability with limited tools. The big incentive for getting addons is the ability to play with console players due to the majority of Minecraft players playing on consoles instead of ever jumping over to PC.
And they had the audacity to say that people can make their own addon on there by joining the creator program (which is a gaslit fueled lie. Because it is a business. Not a place for individual modders to sell their own addons.)
Yep, that's the thing that makes Java players hate Bedrock with such a burning passion.
It's the fact that the Marketplace is used to take things that used to be free and put them behind a paywall.
@@strange-universe "rules for thee but not for me"
It is entirely possible to just create and install resource and behavior packs for free and the same would presumably go for mods, if one were to actually mod the game(Which is not really a thing at the moment). Bedrock is more restrictive than Java in a technical sense, but there is nothing physically stopping players from engaging with it the way they want to. On PC and to a lesser degree phones at least. Consoles are sadly screwed, but that's not particularly diffrent from how it was in Console Edition.
@@clothieredward5248 I mean, more because Bedrock itself is generally an inferior half-baked knockoff that can hardly do half the things Java can mod-wise :V
These are the same companies to say downloading is always piracy
If you dont own it, its not stealing.
I genuinely hate the marketplace.
(edit: Holy crap that's a lot of people)
Me too, I play bedrock/pocket edition for 8 years and since I noticed marketplace existence I started to hate it
And nowadays I hate it more, I just think of it as a trashy thing
FRRRRRR
also if you have enoufgh money to waste on the marketplace just get java or get a pc and get java why waste it on the
marketplace
As someone who grew up on Minecraft on java, the idea of the marketplace makes me feel completely and utterly sick to the core
@@arandomsunfishmain the thing is, in bedrock you can just download community creations for free in any place 💀
this shit is why i stopped being a modder.
years ago I saw this happening, people making work for free, then companies taking that work and profiting from it, then the original creator not only gets nothing, but accused of being the selfish ones because they dont want people stealing their work and making money from it.
Thankfully I always made my mods incredibly hard too download and only added them to tlauncher
Could always try to put some sort of hard-to-remove function in the mod that was integral to the functions of said mod that said who the copyright belongs to and if it was stolen or not.
@@Silver_Semtexagonthat doesn't stop people from taking every aspect of your mod and making their own bootleg of it. The marketplace isn't a direct port of mods, its a cheap copy of them made to sell to bedrock users, its not made to be a 1:1 replica but instead a close enough copy to gain the favor of people interested in the original mod/map
@@hydrakiller121what are some of your mods on tlauncher?
You are aware that they are made aware of the terms and conditions before they put something in the market place 😊
everyone is talking about what Microsoft is doing, but not how TheMisterEpic faild the cobblestone generator at the beginning
Bahahahahaha I was wondering if anybody would notice
@@TheMisterEpic lol
@@TheMisterEpicthere have been another company steal stuff from other people that they really shouldn’t
@@TheMisterEpic How do you fail at Cobblestone?
@@TheMisterEpic I'm not sad, disappointed.
If you don't pirate games, you're actively harming everyone by buying into taking away everyone's rights but if you pirate it and distribute large collections of data at a copy party, you're a hero.
Not surprised by microsoft doing this but its still rather disrespectful and distasteful good way to show your consumers hey we will do anythjng to get money from you even if its going to backfire piss you off and screw you over
The community has banded together and protested against something we disliked before, the mob vote. We can try once more to support someone, or at least get bad press on the company.
@@LuckyMonker Heat and pressure makes diamonds.
It's time to make diamonds again.
@@rustyshackleford5166 DIAMONDS!!!!!
@@LuckyMonker Yeah but that didn't affect their profits at all, it was just a silly little publicity stunt that they had no issue doing away with. Remember, at the same time the community banded together against chat reporting, account migration, removing C418, etc. and nothing has happened. Trying to get them to ease up on microtransactions? Forget it.
@@rustyshackleford5166 microsoft does not care about pressure, they readded copilot to windows despite extreme negative feedback
Companies with a WAY more generic trademark than skyblock:
Windows (hypocrites smh)
Target
X
Apple
Purple
Doom
Dune
Etc.
Skyblock is absolutely not generic
The way TheMisterEpic narrated was misleading. In the image that was shown on screen, it clearly says that the term is understood by the *relevant considering party* as a type of Minecraft world which has islands of blocks in the sky. What this is pointing at is that the name sky block has become generalized to encompass offshoots of the original map such that it’s become a genre of Minecraft map and therefore, is generic and not trademarkable
@@Generic_Noob so the companies and their lawyers are still a waste of oxygen, just for a different reason
Hey hey hey dont be dissing doom now
@@thatrandomguy8124 Its arguably better for the community that skyblock isnt trademarked. This isnt overreach by microsoft and its legal team, rather, its them upholding the ability of people to use the name skyblock
You forgot a pretty obvious one: Minecraft
I'm on Noobcrew's team here, the sheer amount of fraud going on the marketplace is intense, and yet, Microsoft's incentivized to just screw over the original creator, because Skyblock is an intense money printer
You only get 5% of any payment while Mojang/Microsoft gets 95%
Do something about it then...
Any way we can donate to noobcrew?
Source?@@KevinEllis-EllisKevin
@@KevinEllis-EllisKevinit's the opposite bruh Microsoft gets 5%
I find it absolutely insane that people spend money on the Minecraft Marketplace. Buying cosmetics is one thing, but spending money on what’s already free? Are they stupid or something?
Not free if you don’t have a computer
It's probably children who doesn't know the history of the map
its kids using mommy's credit card. they dont know the value of money so they dont care nor do they care about the history or actual creators
@@captainmycaptain8334stupid children as always shouldnt have access to nice things because they ruin it
marketplace is set up to target children and less tech savvy bedrock players who might not know how to import their own maps, mods or skins to bedrock. it specifically lets trends, stolen work and stolen concepts run the front pages cause it becomes a money printer when children who don't know better buy it.
this has been a long running issue and debate ever since the microsoft store launched in Minecraft and it just continues to get worse with Microsoft turning a blind eye unless they're forced to act, pushing smaller creators aside and even going so far as to make it a legal battle like in this case.
7:48 by Microsoft's own logic, the name "Minecraft" isn't -copyright-able- trademark-able either
Windows, Apple... Burger King...
Literally any copyright name that consists of actual words
Please consult a lawyer and not a youtube video for copyright advice.
@@shocktnc Lawyer called C. Sense:
The laws don't make sense.
If you think that's how that works you really understand very little.
If you ask the average Minecraft player what company is associated with Minecraft most will know it's Mojang or Microsoft. The term hasn't been watered down by dozens of games calling themselves "Minecraft" and the companies can easily show a history of defending the Minecraft name from misuse.
Meanwhile if you ask the average person playing ANY version of Skyblock where the original idea came from most will not know, and the original creator never did anything to even imply he didn't want others using the name. Now Skyblock in fact IS a term used for more maps than just his... I mean FFS dude one of the companies disputing his trademark is a ROBLOX GAME CREATING COMPANY.
And by the way this was about Trademarks, not copyright. Quite a difference.
And this creator that is supposedly an angel by everyone else's descriptions... by his own admission started filing DMCA's and such BEFORE his Trademark was ever accepted AND also tried to trademark the term "SkyWars" despite literally not having anything to do with the creation of Skyblock Warriors (created by Swipeshot) because and I quote "I did coin the term "SkyWars""...
so the same guy we are supposed to be all up in arms defending because Microsoft supposedly is stealing something he never truly owned... also basically tried swiping something else right out from under another old mod creator... with the reasoning that he made up a better name for it.. Mind you Microsoft was fighting that trademark too before Noobcrew gave that one up.
I feel so bad for Noobcrew, it must be so demotivating having a billion dollar company (Microsoft) against you. We need more people like Noobcrew, he is standing up for his morals even if it will end badly.
I don't feel that bad for him and I feel many people are being FAR too charitable to him.
Dude made a map that he didn't defend the name of for almost a decade and then when he realized other people were making money off it SUDDENLY it's important that his is recognized as the original and others cant.... aka he just wants some of that money too by having the only one labelled as "Original Skyblock" on the marketplace.
Mind you, no he doesn't own Skyblock and it doesn't take much legal knowledge to figure this out. I mean first off to have a copyright or trademark on anything you have to have a history of defending it from other's misuse... which again there was almost a decade where he never tried to do ANYTHING about skyblock ripoffs and clones.. so he's already lost that. Secondly you can't OWN a game mod/map/etc that you've made... I mean even outside of the ToS that usually says so, the law says so. Your rights cannot supersede the rights of the original game creators IF your mod/map requires THEIR game (Code/assets/music/etc) to function. Considering Skyblock is quite literally just arranging Minecraft assets in a specific layout... yeah good luck on arguing that's enough to qualify as not copyright infringement.
Now you can say it's a dick move on Microsoft's part to oppose his trademark but uh guess what... that's part of the law. They aren't going to let him trademark something that is mostly THEIR assets and if they did they would start losing their trademarks.... remember that part where I mentioned HAVING to have defended your property for it to be trademarkable? Aka dude 100% opened himself up to this by going after a trademark because he wanted in on that marketplace money others made without understanding at all what he was doing. Being angry at Microsoft is pointless, as they are literally just doing what they have to. That entire part where this creator points oh "Oh look they are using him doing nothing about these copies as evidence against him, how mean" Like yeah dude... that's how you prove someone hasn't defended their work. It's EXTREMELY basic trademark/patent law.
If there was even the SLIGHTEST bit of history showing that this dude cared before money was involved, I'd feel more for him... Instead right now it seems he's less worried about how his creation impacted the community and more about how it COULD have impacted his wallet if he squeezed it himself instead of letting others do it.
@@matt3570 nice bait
@@matt3570 So uh.. You're telling me his not allowed to pay his taxes or buy food or something?
@@matt3570Ragebait used to be believable
@@peachypet808 God should just end the world at this point. We got greedy companies, MrBeast scamming, Child Diddiers, and much more.
how is this even a debate, from what i've searched for like 30 seconds i found that the Original Skyblock map was made in 2011 while microsoft bought Mojang in 2014. This should make no legal sense for Microsoft to be able to lie about creating and owning that map.
It's not a lie. Minecraft community is just full of idiots.
At it's root? The relevant law doesn't care. Trademark is a consumer protection law, and as such it's logic is quite different from, say, copyright.
First off, trademark only starts applying when you actually register the trademarked word/logo/likeness/whatever.
Second, it only protects the term in markets that you actually operate in, both in terms of product catagory (Monster energy drink suing other companies that have the word 'monster' in the name of their products when said products are not even tangentally adjacent to 'energy drinks' and trying to force settlements from parties who don't have the time and budget to deal wtih the court cases is straight up engaging in extortion, when the case actually goes to court they lose hard anywhere that has trademark laws that haven't been warped into uselessness) and geographic location (that's a bit more complex regarding what does and doesn't get affected).
Thirdly, if your brand name becomes the common term used by the general public for All products of that catagory, it becomes generecised, and the trademark is lost by way of being meaningless as your brand has simply become another word. That's why Google fought superhard against the use of the term 'to google' to mean 'to use a (any!) search engine to find something on the internet'... for all the advantages it gives them, it also greatly weakens the utility of the trademark itself.
As a combination of these elements, if the word you're trying to trademark as the name of your product in particular has become the common, generic term for that catagory of items (or a sufficiently adjacent/overlapping one) Before you register it, you won't be able to, it will be invalid.
Now, Copyright, on the other hand, That cares. He'd have a case for copyright.
The problem is that, seperately, Microsoft would also have a case against him for making the thing in the first place (doesn't matter who owned the copyright at the time, Microsoft owns it Now, and copyright works very differently from trademark). And microsoft persuing such a case, and Winning, would functionally make moding in general illegal unless one first attained an explicit license from the rightsholder. Which would be, frankly, a disaster for the wider video game industry and community. (its' actutually a lot more complicated than that. In some ways it wouldn't be as bad as that sounds, in others it would be quite a bit worse.
And no one who actually knows how the industry actually works wants that to happen. The problem is that the exeutives and shareholders of the big corporations operating within the video game industry Don't actually understand how it works. They sure do understand (or have lawyers who understand and can explain it to them in small enough words) IP law and how to use it to engage in legalized extortion though!
@@laurencefraser microsoft does not own the copyright to skyblock, NoobCrew owns the copyright of skyblock and its specific code
@@laurencefraser ty for the well informed take
Microsoft's argument seems to be not that they created and own the map, but rather that "Skyblock" has become such a generic term disconnected from its original author that he should no longer have the right to trademark it. Like how "photoshopping an image" or "googling something" have become generic verbs to say editing an image or searching something online, but I guess this doesn't apply to billion-dollar tech companies
That's why it's important to publish everything with a license. Even simple disclaimer, that skyblock is shared under a GPL would let noobcrew avoid all this mess.
He was prob just a random kid trying to make interesting stuff for the community. He didn't even know that his map would gain so much attention that he has to fight a long ass legal battle with 12 different powerful studios/companies
@YourStinkerEditz3039 It doesn't matter. It's not nice when someone steals your idea and monetizes it.
@@ShinIkari ikr but i dont think any of us knew about this stuff properly when we were kids
Sadly even that is not enough
Because companies even take stuff from the Public domain and in the worst case even sue the orginal Creator it's basically going Linux open source license (because it also forces everything created from it to have the same license) or go home
just to clarify, Hypixel's Skyblock is completely different than original skyblock. Think of Hypixel Skyblock more like Wynncraft
Don't know why anyone seeing hypixel skylock with all the automatron farming robot, 34000 damage weapon and think it the same as normal skyblock.
wynncraft is actually good though
@@vvortexz fr. it has an actual story and you dont need to grind for hours to progress.
@@imamoocow4 imo the grind is so much more rewarding when you actually complete what you were setting out to do, thats why im hooked to hps
@@vvortexzTo be fair, Hypixel's skyblock is only in V0.6 i think well Wynncraft is on like V3 at this point
Genie: *gives me three wishes*
Me: I wish to delete the market place
Genie: You still have three wishes
Genie: you now have infinite wishes
I wish to take the Minecraft away from Mojang
@@joaovitormanhaesfeitozaAnd Microsoft too
@@joaovitormanhaesfeitozajust from Microsoft, Mojang are not bad, just limited by Microsoft
Nah, thats about it. You can keep the other wishes
Minecraft Java map creators and modders: Make cool new concepts and release them for free
Minecraft Bedrock map creators and modders: Steals stuff that Java guys made and re sells for real money them without crediting the original creator.
dont forget that the bedrock ones are also watered down
now i'm waiting for people to try and steal Hypixels Herobrine's Mansion and claim it as the original without Hypixel's permission
for the experience, I dropped 50-60 bucks at the MP this week. The stuff is second rate copies. What I see is a lot of BR players saying how great it is. How the hell do they know? playing on phones and old consoles... It's like 2 separate games.
@@strange-universe genuinely, at the price point people pay for consoles these days, you can get a pc that is far better for a similar price, ESPECIALLY if you are willing to actually learn a few things, it isn't even all that difficult, and if you find it kinda difficult, there are plenty of guides online to help you with it. Just buy or build a pc and get minecraft there, it's ten times better.
@@DakumunDahBatit amazes me that console gaming is still as big as it is, given everything you just said (which I completely agree with). Honestly the console wars still going on to the extent that it is, at least to me, just seems harmful to the gaming world as a whole.
It’s not like we pay the developers anything, we just take some code and sell it for absurd prices
-Microsoft
im unreasonably angry at all theses companies trying to squeeze out every bit of money out of everything without caring abt their playerbase
*reasonably
that's why modern updates suck
typical marketplace creator
They're trying to keep increasing profits despite having basically maxxed out the number of users due to their vast reach. Unlimited upwards growth is just plain unsustainable, but that doesn't stop people from trying...
You can never be angry enough
We're stealing skyblock now? Why is everything being stolen these days
{Like I mean why can't you credit the person you're using it from at least or ask their permission}
greed
Because people aren’t creative
@@Supernova3695 that too
the rich realized they're above the law and can do whatever they want
Because this is Romania rpg
Microsoft going for the small guys is crazy💀
Nintendo: 😅😅 about that.
@@FrankyGuyMan gamejolt had it coming
This can't be legal, can it?
its a corporate shakedown lmao the guys just pissed off he didnt caplize when he could and got salty when he saw other people could
Are you actually surprised?? Lol
Skyblock: any block in the sky
Minecraft: any game where you mine and craft
Buying skyblock in general is crazy just step 1 flatworld in creative fly upwards and throw like twenty dirt blocks and a tree down alongside the preset chest this is crazy
people are too lazy to do this apparently
@@barerninja970it isnt that simple, flat world type is usually based 3 blocks from the minimum block level while skyblock is ALOT higher up. Which you can't adjust on bedrock
@@spike-the-red-king well yeah that's why the comment said to fly up??
Flatworld only has 1 biome. You will not be able to get all items using a flatworld. You will never be able to get snow, bamboo, mushrooms, bees, etc etc.
@@suspicioussand missed that part. But still would be missing biomes as this other guy mentioned.
"You can't sell mods, that's unfair!"
*"But we can"*
Yes, that is how owning a product works. You set the terms of use.
@@shocktnc yeah legally its fine but ethically its not
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@@shocktnc dam you love Microsoft bro. You should get a job
@@seanaesWhat? I love how you are just straight up uneducated on ownership laws, so you just say some dumb shit. Minecraft isn't gonna fuck you bro, get help
@@seanaesyou talk like a black dude, so education isn't expected.
0:23 not the cobble gen being screwed up💀
i have no idea how people manage to mess it up just dig a hole 4 blocks wide dig 1 in one of the center blocks then place water at the side with 1 block and lava for the last step its not that hard bruh its 4 steps💀💀💀
@@joshua-dz6lh
U dont wanna see me rage, im an alpha with infinity aura, u cant stop me
@@DeployedN what
@@DeployedN are you being sarcastic or do you genuinely think that
@@joshua-dz6lh incredibly sarcastic
This having 4 years to get resolved just proves how trash the "legal" system is
Skyblock is a made up word, therefore Noobcrew can trademark it. Not a general term.
It's definitely already become a generic term though. He should have applied for a trademark back before everyone made skyblock content and maps, and then required licensing to use the skyblock name
@@lomiification if something is almost always used as a generic term then you CAN lose the trademark (its called genericide or genericization)
However despite that,there is still some things that people use as a generic term yet its still trademarked(velcro)
escalator was also trademarked however is no longer so
And also the term tower defense is still somehow trademarked despite it being a random noname mobile game company(com2us) who claimed it despite the fact that its a name of a FUCKING GENRE and nobody i know associates it with them(and its also the reason bloons tower defense was renamed to bloons td,you think it'd just be a shorter name but no,its the full name because of the trademark)
So sometimes,it gets genericized,other times not even if people use it as a generic term
Literally.
I've never called a island in the sky a "skyblock". That's just dumb because its not a block.
Its a "sky island" or "floating island".
Not to mention that companies like apple, android, windows, x, etc
SKYBLOCK IS NOT GENERIC it is MUCH more original then MOTHERF-KING X AHHHHHHH
@@SkyButNo Omg thats not the point you bozo, when talking about phone brands you have APPLE, thats the trademark, Windows is an OS, thats the trademark, SKYBLOCK now has no identity of its own, its literally been made a gamemode genre for all games, it became so popular that now you have roblox skyblock, fortnite skyblock and even more, skyblock has no identitiy by its own, its like trying to trademark escalator, which was trademarked, but it lost its trademark SO, that freaking argument makes no sense when talking about TRADEMARK LAWS
Calling "Skyblock" a generic name is absolute insanity. The fact that claim could even begin to hold up legally is proof that the law does not care about who is right or wrong, it only cares about who has more money to pile up lawyers against people.
What's so insane about it? There are even "skyblock" maps for Terraria. People absolutely use that term to generically refer to that type of game mode.
@@zqlk256 Yeah, but people use the term in reference to the original Skyblock map. That's like saying that there are Pokemon mods in Minecraft, therefore Pokemon must be a generic term. This logic is so stupid
@@Jane-qh2yd If Nintendo doesn't come after people for selling pokemon stuff the term will become generic and they will lose the trademark, just like what happened with skyblock
Oh you figured out how this world works. Whoever has money has power and everything.
Defending the name of your copyright is a part of copyright law, if you don't defend it, it becomes generic. You not understanding the law doesn't make it evil.
I knew Microsoft buying Mojang was gonna be bad.
Smaller companies selling themselves out to big corporations is NEVER a good idea. Yet they never seem to learn.
I don’t think Notch really cared about what would happen with Minecraft in the future when he was told he would get $2.5 billion for selling
it's a good thing for the owner, not the players
@@papawoolliest423i mean i cant blame him
Money
I still remember back when Microsoft first bought Minecraft, and they were responding to a letter asking them not to change the game too much, they said they wouldn't. a bit later, they added the marketplace and I knew it was downhill from there
I think this is the best and clearest example of the importance of regulations, and that a "free market" system is simply antithetical to innovation and creativity.
What we have nowadays barely counts as "free market", the governments of the world already picks winners and losers, and you can bet a shiny nickle that it's not the small guys that they pick to win.
Quite literally everything I've seen about the Microsoft/Minecraft Marketplace just cements it as the most scummy, exploitative excuse for a in game marketplace I've seen
Such as there being no confirmation prompt before purchasing anything and all sales, no matter what, are FINAL and no refunds
I bought a map once and couldn't even play it. I hate Eckosoldier for shilling that garbage!
You know what's funny? There's a resource pack called Ty'el UI that available for free on curseforge, it overhauled the bedrock UI from menu, inventory, containers, with TONS of small useful UI and features too.* IT also has confirmation prompt before you purchasing any paid content on marketplace, it is like middle finger to microsoft because they cannot implement that very simple prompt but community can.*
There's some good stuff like Tera Swoop Force. There's just a lot of bad stuff that's really hard to wade through.
@@VexCuomo Tell people about what he did in his videos comments!
6:52 It specifically refers to itself as "this version of the original skyblock" - implying that it isn't THE original, despite it being virtually identical. Technically false advertising since it basically IS the original map ported to Bedrock (potentially with a few very minute changes), but at the very least they aren't claiming to be the original creator like Razzleberries.
Edit:It is technically written in a misleading way however, effectively tricking users into thinking it IS the original.
Well, it is the original.
Legally speaking you can call a recreation original in any way, shape, or form, you have to use classic, even if a company holds copyright of a brand and remakes something without the original creator involvement they open themselves to charges of impersonation and or false advertisement
That word has a lot of power when it comes to intellectual property
@@Gabriel-lh7gy *can't
It could be saying it's "Skyblock without gimmicks". Not Hypixel Skyblock or Infinity Skyblock. Just good old original skyblock.
That doesn't really matter very much when that version is titled "Original Skyblock". That description is just there so that when someone is, inevitably, mislead into thinking it was the original, the people who uploaded it can point there and say "but we say right here that it isn't :) it's just a version of it :)". They're banking on marketplace users only looking at the title.
It's things like this that make my blood boil. All this is is pure greed and corruption from big companies taking advantage of loopholes to punish anyone they don't agree with. Noobcrew is 100% in the right here as he used a tool (Minecraft) to create his own original work (Skyblock). That's like if someone created a game using a Game Engine and then find out that the game engine company has been saying they created the game with zero credit to the original creator.
What is Noobcrew's original work? What assets in Skyblock is original? It's just Minecraft. Anyone can reproduce it. Why is Noobcrew trying to trademark it? I am sorry that people are trying to copy his map but forcing a trademark on vanilla Minecraft is stupid and he deserves this.
Isn't that Roblox's whole business model
@@jermseventy8341 you clearly did not watched this video, company glazer.
So if I reproduce anythingin existence like recoding minecraft, I can now sell it legally? Worst argument in existence lmao
@@newtextdocument
Noobcrew didn't simply "reproduce" Minecraft. Instead, he used the game as a platform to create original content-a unique game mode called Skyblock. This is analogous to how many developers use game engines to create entirely new games, even though the engines themselves are not theirs.
Noobcrew created something transformative within Minecraft, adding original content and gameplay mechanics. This differs from merely recreating Minecraft, which would be a copyright violation. His work, therefore, falls under what could be seen as a derivative work that provides additional value. This is not "reproducing" Minecraft but using a tool to create something new.
The key here is that while Minecraft is the underlying platform, Skyblock is an original creation by Noobcrew that has become iconic in its own right. It would be akin to creating a mod or level using a game engine. The original game engine creators still own their technology, but the new work (the mod or game mode) belongs to the person who created it unless otherwise stated by the terms of service or license agreement.
It was more transformative than straight up stealing.
I fucking hate large corporations, hope this guy wins his fight. Any win against these disgusting companies is a win for everyone
i can't believe people still cope and defend minecraft/microsoft/mojang
Corporate syncophants are everywhere, some are fake or puppet accounts while others are just following the herd
There are problems on both sides;
People defending the bad decisions Microsoft makes as company, such as removing bedrock developer mappings, are being taken advantage of to advocate for decisions that weren't made to benefit players.
People slamming Minecraft development for not being good enough are only attacking the developers who put a lot of hard work and effort into designing the new updates.
It's crucial to separate Microsoft the "company" from the individual developers who put a lot of passion into their work.
In this video even, you can see the night and day difference between *Microsoft's* response and KingBDog's response.
its litterely a corporate shakedown lmao its 100% the rights of microsoft to sell that map
its microsoft, not mojang, or minecraft.
Microsoft is a for profit company, with the goal of making as much profit as they can. Mojang is a game studio, owned by microsoft, trying to please microsoft. And minecraft is just a game.
I don't even play the newer versions or bedrock edition because of how shit they are
Honestly im hoping he wins mainly because nowadays i just love seeing certain businesses plummet in sales, especially if they're corrupted like those on the minecraft marketplace
Mojang should add their own copyright system to the marketplace so if you made an original game, others shouldn’t be able to copy it. Although the only ones who can copy it is Mojang because they are the owners of the game of course they can make anything if they choose to. This will incentive more creative content. Another thing that they should add is remixes, so if you want to make SkyBlock and mix it up to be different, it will go under the original SkyBlock section if you scroll down. It will say “remixes” and under it is a whole lot of versions of SkyBlock. This will solve the whole naming problem with SkyBlock which was honestly not a big deal anyways, most people who will watch this video will forget about the naming problem anyways. The only one who cares about it is the original owner of SkyBlock which why would he really even care about it in the first place? Does he want more fame or does he want people to not get scammed out of a free map he made? If he made a free SkyBlock map why does he not put it on the marketplace himself to prevent people from getting scammed out of their money? Why go through all the troubles into getting into a lawsuit which he will probably lose?
this is the reason the marketplace as a concept is one of the worst additions to the game ever.
Java:nooo you can't have people pay for mods bedrock:want mods give me 5.99
@@Well_thats_a_good_meme You can have people pay for the cost of hosting and sending the data, but make the mod itself free under GPL.
Instead of promoting the creators and protecting them, they steal from them. In the end talented people will just find another game to mod. But it's Microsoft so I'm not surprised...
It's crazy how much money microsoft is making from minecraft scam edition.
Bugrock
true, alot of stolen maps and stuff are selling for IRL money
and forgot to mention that the pvp packs on the market place are actually so bad, idk how their even accepted, any average pack maker can probably make better ones
not gonna say names tho
@@random.studios "bugrock" many features in lagva are literally bugs
microsoft monopolising as much as they can
@@BoxBlair yes
anti trust lawsuit incoming
Is this why I had so much trouble making the official launcher work and eventually just gave up and used PolyMC and GDLauncher (which I now realize is way superior to the official)
And why are all the comments about 6 minutes after video release?
@@anakinskyogre1037EU incoming
I'm glad I only play Java and that will never change. There is only two things I'm scared of. The open sea with nothing and the Bedrock shop
I play both.
Is Java Free?
@@Itz_CH1P No. At least I don't think so. I got my copy of Java years ago when Bedrock was still called Bedrock and not just purely called Minecraft. I got Bedrock for free after Microsoft bought Minecraft, and people got Java for free if they owned Bedrock at the time.
But now I'm seeing when I go to buy Minecraft it says you get both for 30$ (USD).
A lot of people might just own both copies of the game.
If on PC you can easily check if you own both by using the launcher and clicking the play/download button.
Buy a key for like an eur these days, no? Or heck, a cracked account, they barely cost anything AND give Microsoft less money, win win!
@@Itz_CH1P Java edition isn't free. Not normally/legally anyway. Though Java and Bedrock do get sold as a single unit these days to my understanding (well, on PC, but that's the only platform that can actually Run both anyway).
Mods for Java edition, on the otherhand, Are.
As Minecraft players we should all help noobcrew
If you make a drawing with a drawing app the drawing app company doesn't own your drawing.
Tell that to Adobe :\
@@Alezard4 If you draw something with a pencil and piece of paper neither the pencil company or the paper company should own your drawing.
@@twiglegg508 in all seriousness I get your point and I wholeheartedly agree that companies shouldn't be allowed to own the creative works of their communities
@@twiglegg508 GenAI companies be like: *uhh*
But if you upload it to Facebook, then Meta now owns it.
13:25 It's not a TheMisterEpic video without that one clip of Microsoft bathing in gold blocks
Minecraft Community: Keeps Minecraft alive through Mods, Texturepacks, Ideas.
Microsoft: I'm going to pretend I did that.
that sounds oddly familiar.. i think a certain political party always does the same thing 😂
we should just make minecraft die for like 3 years just to troll microsoft and then come back to it
@@Justin-oq3ngThis literally applies to both, shut the fuck up about politics for no reason, and get a damn personality.
Minecraft community is literally doing nothing to keep it alive. They are literally crying over squares. Minecraft community killed Minecraft.
@@nucleardamage1how about you get a life instead of coming into a comment section and trying to agitate people?
I feel like this cases should be fought without lawyers. Representatives just should get on the court, judge should hear them out, examine the evidence, and then say what the sentence will be. It's not fair that company with infinite money can do things like that
You are missing some information here, as the creator of the video doesn't seem to understand trademark law. You can only have a trademark if it doesn't already mean something else within context.
If you say "I am going to install windows on my computer" no one will think you are going to install Linux, as these are known to be 2 different things. For this reason Windows can be trademarked for operating systems. You could likely still open a window cleaning store called "Windows", as long as you don't copy any of the other branding (the logo, the color scheme etc).
If you say "I am going to play Skyblock", it is not implied that you will play Noobcrews Skyblock. Skyblock has become a general term for the gamemode of being on an island in the sky. This would be similar to trademarking the terms "Gaming", "Video game" or "Playing games". These terms are all no longer related to one seller or company, they are generic. If a term is generic it cannot be trademarked anymore.
Microsoft is the good guy in this case, saying everyone should be able to use the term "Skyblock", not just Noobcrew.
@@mutsgarfield6887 This has precedence in the mind of millenials. I remember being a teenager when suddenly we weren't allowed to call band-aids, bandaids anymore, we had to call them medical adhesives.
The thing that irks me most about this is the fact that the MAJORITY of these sales all came from _children_ buying it, or asking their parents to buy it... Children that likely have no clue that they aren't the original Skyblock maps.
This kind of thing should be ILLEGAL, but typical for corrupt capitalism... Its not.
techincally what those companies are doing is illegal, i can't recall the term but it's something to do with misleading product or just straight up theft
or how second rate the add ons are compared to the Java "parent" mod.
It is, actually, but good luck fighting Microsoft's lawyers in court
@@My_Old_YT_Accounthonestly there’s enough evidence and people to side with the original creator there’s a good chance we could win a lawsuit against them
@@My_Old_YT_Account Exactly, that's what I mean. ANYTHING is legal if you have enough money, and its depressing.
It's always people and companies like this that further reinforce the phrase "this is why we can't have nice things."
Honestly, God should just end or reset the world.
@@Itz_CH1Pthere is no god
@@SmokeFactory Then who do you think created the universe, still air?
God, big bang, whatever just make it quick and make sure to get microtransactionsoft
@@Itz_CH1P what created god?
Having people pay for maps is all in all the stupidest stuff ive heard of yet.
just pushed the petition past 200 keep going
I think what he is asking for is reasonable. He will probably win the legal battle if it ever gets to court but it sounds like the larger companies know they aren't going to win and since his request is reasonable they are starting to change. He is not attacking them like nintendo does for even the slightest affiliation he simply just wants people to know that they are not playing the origonal version which is not that big a deal.
The problem is that it seems like the corporations involved are seeking to make sure the process of him getting justice will move so slowly that either…
1:He gives up due to lack of funds to keep paying lawyers
2:The thiefs get the case given to a judge thats extremely pro business and its thrown out
3:Appeal until it reaches scotus,which will make a batshit ruling that says copryright/trademark is a one way street and that only large corporations can have it.
4:He settles for an undisclosed sum to drop the trademark and cease demanding credit for his own work. Said sum is not nearly as much as they made, so they still come out ahead.
@@redenginnerin the event that the first is happening, i dont rhink he'll quit due to lack of money
any lawyers he can find would ve stupid to not stick with him, because if he wins he could receive millions of dollars (i dont think he wants to go that route but theft is still theft and the companies that have been falsely earning money under the skyblock name should have to pay)
No he wont, because he is doing it under the claim of Trademark, and Trademarks can be completely and utterly lost if it becomes a generic term for something.... It's sometimes called "Genericide".
Xerox, Google, Kleenex, Hoover, and many more companies have fought hard to avoid their brands becoming a generic term, or they'd lose the capability of stopping others from using the name.
Like a wet wipe could literally have had the name kleenex on it, despite it not being the brand Kleenex, like "Uber Bango Wipes, the best Kleenex for your bum!", because that term would simply be "A wet wipe", because it is so commonly used like that.
This is like the fifth comment I've seen in a short amount of time completely misunderstanding trademarks.
tbh, i don’t think that the creator has much of a case here. Here’s a comparison, imagine you make an plugin for Adobe After Effects. If Adobe 1:1 copies your feature and puts it in their next version of After Effects, should you be able to sue? I don’t think so, your work was built on their platform, after all. I think that the same thing applies here, even if what Microsoft is doing is scummy.
The whole time the legal battle is happening, they're still getting tons of money. It's legal costs VS profits.
The only reason why Minecraft has been so successful is the free modding scene. If that goes away because of greedy companies then Minecraft will die.
No, minecraft was wildly successful before modding it was popular.
@@shocktnc That was years ago.
People play Minecraft, Minecraft becomes boring, Minecraft gets updated, People play Minecraft, Minecraft becomes boring, Minecraft gets updated, People play Minecraft, Minecraft becomes boring, and again and again and again and again.
Modding is what's making Minecraft more successful nowadays, if gone then the game would slowly die with a small amount of players playing it.
@@shocktncModding was popular during the alpha days, what are you on about?
@@shocktnc ur an idiot
@@shocktnc you love being wrong lmao
11:13 Trademarks aren't something you can selectively enforce. You either fight every infringement or you can't fight any infringement.
Yes and no, for the most part yes, but you don't automatically lose a copyright because someone is infringing on it that you did not know about. Its not straightforward (for a reason), otherwise someone could secretly infringe on a copyright for a few years and then claim no takesies backsies (that is the legal term 😉)
@@shocktnc I'm not talking about copyright and the video isn't either, I'm talking about trademarks.
Not ENTIRELY true. Trademarks are enforced on a case by case basis. If you want to keep hold of a trademark, you need to enforce it sometimes, but trying to enforce it everytime is...literally impossible. Lots of times, you see corporations not enforce it for years and then throw the book at some rando, essentially saying, "This is ours, you fuck with us, you get the horns."
Crazy how a literal Roblox game was more compliant than actual minecraft marketplace and mojang
It's crazy how bedrock players are paying for a "map" that they can make themselves in about 5 minutes
We did and called it Noobcrew island!
90% of bedrock players are under 10 years of age and play on their mom's iPad, don't expect much thinking from them
i’m suprised anyone is buying from the marketplace since u can download addons and skins
@@suspicioussandIs this an actual statistic or are you assuming? I am curious.
@@shocktnc I personally believe that console players are higher but I do trust the under 10 thing
I feel so bad for people having to BUY a map, while we Java players can just play an entire new game for free 😥😥
Only console players need to, MCPEDL and other websites exists for all the other devices supported by bedrock edition
and this is why microsoft wants to kill java. they want us to pay.
@@Generic_Noob even so, there are ways to get packs on console.
they just are very convoluted because microsoft keeps patching them
Companies learned their lesson with mods when the original Dota got famous on Blizzard's warcraft 3 and spawned countless games like League of Legends. If you check the user agreement for any game you can pretty much guarantee to see "We own the right to any community modifications blablabla"
Well, that's not how it reads for Java mods.
Sky Block isn't a modification to the game. It's a name
@@strange-universe Oracle's Java doesn't have any rights to Minecraft, that would belong solely to Microsoft.
User agreements aren't legally binding because no one reads them
@@suspicioussandyes they are and that is a you problem
I was a moderator on the official Skyblock server for about half a year, and actively in the community for twice that, it was a friendly place with nothing but wholesome vibes. I hope Noobcrew comes out on top.
bedrock edition was the worst thing to ever happen to minecraft
On one hand it’s nice to have a unified Minecraft version with crossplay so people can play on a lot of different platforms (especially on mobile), but on the other hand greed becomes even more prevalent…
The market place is poorly(ok yes HORRIBLY moderated) is very bad but most ppl play bedrock edition so it lets so many people play Minecraft because bedrock exists so no Microsoft make bedrock bad.
No shit, ik Marketplace is terrible but if it wasn't that the Crossplay between plataforms wouldn't exist.
The marketplace is the worst thing to happen to minecraft, bedrock allows people without access to a pc play minecraft
marketplace & heavy monetization* if those didn't exist, bedrock would be a perfect edition just like java and bedrock players could enjoy the app without being slammed in the face twenty times by 'minecoins' or whatever.
You wouldn’t download a Minecraft map.
The mere fact that skyblock could cost money is crazy
You could literally make skyblock from scratch in five minutes
@@CalebDavey on pc
@@giangio45510your point?
@@giangio45510 you can make it in a little more time in bedrock too
@@shocktnc great part of players are from console, who don’t have easy access to mods, or even downloading maps and importing them into the files (unless things changed recently which i’m not aware of), which is why they’re trying to make skyblock a buyable map. Console players will buy it.
4:25 What a stupid server. Vastly overpriced ranks and expensive microtransactions, which are just paid cheats. Just play it in singleplayer.
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Kids in 2024 don't understand that concept. Good thing I wasn't born in that shtty age of gaming, but during its golden days.
Imagine having to pay for free maps. That's wild to me. Stick to java
WW1: Assassination
WW2: Austrian Painter
WW3: Minecraft Marketplace
TOO FAR (WAIT NVM)
let me fix that. replace skyblock by marketplace.
BTW, this may be the reason why Nintendo is so protective about their IP. If the theft gets this far, then it's very hard to reverse.
Nintendo still goes way too far in my opinion. Nintendo switch emulation does not threaten their sales in the slightest.
@@scrapzarchive It's not about sales, it's about intellectual property. I don't know the legality in its totality, but I have heard many times that there is the possibility to lose your intellectual property, if its distribution via homebrew or other unauthorized third party media becomes too ubiqutous, and the property holder is not seen as sufficiently acting in service of maintaining the exclusive rights over that property.
@@inkarnator7717yes your right but they take it to far
@@lordlierhook3368 Maybe, but I appreciate Nintendo's persistence on making good games. It seems that the higher ups there really care about the products they release.
@@inkarnator7717 it's honestly hard to tell what the reason is when it comes to nintendo
now who is gonna copyright the stampy map?
I vaguely recall Stampy saying that he doesn't mind if others copy his world as long as they don't try to pass it off as the original. He's even visited copies made by others in the past.
I think it's a reasonable and unspoken rule in the community that you can directly take the maps of others and showcase as long as you don't try to take credit for the work.
You don't necessarily have to credit the creator, Ie "hey everyone welcome to the video. I found this map but I forget the name of the creator. it sure wasn't me tho".
I believe shortly after lovely world ended, Stampy released his map on the marketplace and probably elsewhere for all to enjoy. Toycat has done the same thing and released his world. I believe the Hermits tried to do the same but idk the status of if they got on the marketplace or not. I think Truly Bedrock got in on the action as well.
i doubt bedrockiggers are gonna be flooding to buy the stampy map for 7 dollars on the marketplace
@@wfr878 most of Stampys audience is either people who watched as kids or people who have kids and are rewatching. I'd bet it's mainly adults at this point that would want his world since they would be the only ones who have be able to binge SLW's 840 or so episodes.
I personally did a recreation of Flower Power on bedrock back in 2015 for me and my siblings to play. I showed them the video and they wanted to play. I conveniently had a world to play immediately.
It's gonna be the older crowd buying SLW and other youtubers maps. I'd buy a stampy plush if he had one (I missed out on the past opportunities due to lack of money to burn)
its already on the marketplace for free but it's been distributed by stampy
@@retiutheproto good to know. Thank you for clearing it up. I'll have to go get it now 👍
It’s his own fault tbh should have trademarked it years ago
I remember playing minecraft back in 2012. It was so magical to me. I would waste countless days rotting away playing minecraft and watching DanTDM. These day's, I can bearly recognize the game. It's become so corporate, overcomplicated and cold. It doesn't have the same charm and magic it use to
Charging people for some dirt blocks and a tree in the void is crazy work
7 fucking dollars nonetheless
It's Microsoft's game, they can do whatever they want
@@trento6842 bro its Supposed to be free microsoft is Money hungrey Greedy Mr krabs Ahh.
@@trento6842 sir we found another microsoft glazer.
yeah when your Microsoft account gets hacked they will not help at all@@trento6842
7:15 You're telling me that they were the ones responsible for altering the course of the game I staffed for? The people raiding our discord server thinking it's because of Hypixel must've felt bad now
0:52 You can't ALL be original lmao
I wish there was something we could do to help him. I guess the only thing we can do is support in him his efforts to acquire the trademark and encourage him to continue pushing forward and to not give in to these greedy companies only caring for the money.
Hypixel Skyblock (0:11) is an MMORPG in minecraft and is almost nothing like regular skyblock.
Another sad example of early-internet meets modern day greed
I don't think you understand what Capitalism actually is. This is a very anti-capitalist move by Microshaft. Capitalism is the word to describe the free market. There is absolutely nothing even remotely resembling a free market about this move.
@@timothyvanhoeck233Capitalism inevitably leads to monopoly or oligopoly. There is no true "free market capitalism".
It's the peak of capitalism.
@@unboxingabayonet4154 Yeah, but that's not true capitalism. Just like how dictatorship isn't "democracy" even though it can lead to it. Just because something can lead to something doesn't make that which it came from one and the same as that which it eventually became. What is happening here isn't Capitalism, it's Corporatism, also sometimes known as Croney Capitalism.
@@timothyvanhoeck233 No, the current situation (ie: no active trademark) is definitely capitalism. IP laws are *restrictions* on capitalism. Microsoft opposing the existence of a trademark is a capitalist move. If Microsoft were the ones trying to snag a trademark on "Skyblock" then they'd be anti-capitalist.
This is "corporationalism". Not capitalism.
What a load of bs, I hope the ACTUAL original Skyblock creator wins and if they ever make a Skyblock game after all of this I'll support it without a doubt.
This is honestly one of the reasons I dont buy stuff from the marketplace. A lot of the stuff on it is stolen content that the original creator can't do anything about except watch as their creation get milked for thousands to millions of money. Unless it's an official version or someone list/link the original, I won't get anything on the marketplace. Not that I buy anything on it anyways because nothing there is actually worth my money.
I really hope the creator of One block follows NoobCrew step and either file for a trademark or talk to Mojang because it's also a very milked content on the Marketplace and other content creators.
They removed modding in bedrock. Microsoft Villain Arc confirmed
All good effect aside, Microsoft also removing "Holiday creator feature" without make any official announcements before removal, making 90% of add-on in internet became no longer functional, like bedrock port of Create mod.
@@freddykun897 they will only let you use marketplace mods
my mentor once said “if you’re creating things for people to enjoy without profiting off of it, someone else will.”
ethically this is wrong. but legally, nothing is breaking any laws
You could argue that it is false advertising / fraud to claim that your version of Skyblock is the original when it really is not. And if that was the case, then it would be breaking the law.
Yeah, part of growing up is learning that, sadly, laws don't always follow ethics.
@@CidVeldoril It's also almost certainly copyright infringement...but that opens up a whoooooole other can of worms regarding the legal status of modding as a whole that no one wants to touch.
@@laurencefraser I imagine any such legal action based on mods ends, as soon as the judge asks "is your game using assets, textures or mechanics from the original game".
Not how I wish it was, but that's the reality of modding, the only way(as far as I know) a modder can benefit financially from their work, is if the owner allows that and that may as well be its own can of worms.
The most chocking thing for me about this, is that those marketplaces have such a big userbase tbh.
Mojang/Microsoft loves to say they love the Minecraft community and that the game would not be what it is without them. Then they turn around and stomp on the very same community. Microsoft siding with the people ripping off Noobcrew’s work and claiming it as theirs is bullshit
It's not. Noobtard but blocks together, in a game that they own. Y'all need to do something other than worship inferior Legos.
That's actually sad... Rich companies going against an individual who made an innovative invention and tried to make it free for everyone, only for money... And there's nothing we can do.
we can rebel, but how effective this could really be?
Rich company against individual?
God I hate these clickbait videos.
The dude said it was okay FOR EVERYONE TO USE IT now he's mad becuase his little gamemode because so popular that other people are actually making lots of money out of it.
Noobcrew should take the L and move on.
@@marciaquispe4472 dude just wants credit for being the "original", something a lot of these marketplace clones claim.
How is this a bad thing for them to get the credit they deserve?
@@marciaquispe4472I don't think you watched the video. He doesn't want people to stop making money off of it. He just wants people to stop marketing their knock offs as the original
@@gabrielsofta944 >he just wants to do the good thing okay?
jesus f... christ
DONT BELIEVE ANYTHING ON THE INTERNET
If I say "hey lend me 100 USD, i will give you back 10000 USD okay?"
Ofc it's a lie.
Microsoft is high fr 💀
I take a flat world, I make an high tower, in creative I create the island and I can’t go down. That’s makes my skyblock
If skyblock is a generic name, Minecraft is too.
Legally false
Wait till they find out how generic the term "Windows" is.
@@shocktnc You're legally false.
@@shocktncthis guy is an equivalent of a fed, likely a microsoft worker
@@i_wateraaaaaif you assume he's right, then Microsoft doesn't have legal grounds to dispute the original claim
Corporations are being greedy? Who could've seen that coming?
Honestly the whole marketplace is a scam. A lot of the stuff that is on the marketplace was literally free on java. Also most of them are stupidly overpriced.
and perform poorly. But no worries, an update should happen... someday.
You know why a lot of it was free on Java? It was illegal to monetize.
You really think that programmers, artists, and other people, would not attempt to monetize something they've worked on for sometimes 100s if not 1000s of hours, if they could?
And what is overprized? If someone knows what they make is niche, and they spent (collectively) a 100 hours on it. Then 7250$ would be "the minimum wage"... So saying Microsoft takes a substantial cut, let's just say 50% (It's their IP, they paid for it, and Mojang did most of the work in the first place), that means they would if they sold it at 10$ have to sell at least 7250 copies to just break even.
And on something like Marketplace, only the most popular stuff sells well, the rest is relegated to a few interested...
And if people are willing to pay? Well, technically it isn't overpriced, is it? Overpriced means people wont buy.
There is so much wrong with your comment, and not understanding a lot of stuff.
If people could be paid for the modding, they will. Quite a few modders of Java went to Bedrock specifically because they can... but selling mods in general is a copyright issue at its base, but not when sanctioned.
@@SioxerNikitaBro typed an entire essay. Also $7 for a skin pack is straight up insane so yeah, some of the marketplace is overpriced.
@@spike-the-red-king tell me you didn't understand the essay without telling me you didn't understand the essay
Ye and the games are so buggy and trash
One of my favourite TH-cam series was a skyblock series from near its inception over a decade ago, it was so relaxing and wholesome seeing their world grow.
I'd be pissed too if greedy companies including Microsoft would stealing my creation, claim they made it and printing millions from it. This is why Minecraft bedrock is a joke.
I hate to say it but this likely to fail on the merits. You can't trademark a term in common parlance even if you are the one that came up with it. Noobcrew created the term and the mode in 2011 and made no attempt to control the IP for 8 years allowing it to enter common parlance.
If he didn't want people to have free usage but not be able to profit off of it, he needed to immediately trademark the term and attach an open license with a non-profit clause to it when he released the map back in 2011. Even then, it would still likely fail on the merits given that it would constitute tortious interference on IP he doesn't own. He can't force Mojang or Microsoft how they monetize their own products.
So the only thing that would give him 100% success would have been making his own game from scratch, Trademarking the name, and attaching an open license with a non-profit clause.
this is quite sad for me to say, but it seems like Bethesda treats their fans whom make mods for games like Skyrim or Fallout 4 with more respect than Microsoft does: in fact Microsoft is LUCKY that they still have players willing to make new stuff for their game to keep it going and all they're doing is shooting their players in the foot
Sadly it seems Microsoft's influence is leaking into the mods for Bethesda's games, Creations is looking more like Minecraft Bedrock's Marketplace, and there's like no moderation of what goes on there, so you got stolen stuff being put as paid content, just like the Marketplace.
seeing what they did with the fo4 next gen i dont think they really care about modders anymore
@@wfr878 Fallout 4 Next Gen update was a whole different beast, it wasn't really to "destroy modders", it was definitely bad management, and Bethesda trying to fix the game but in old Bethesda fashion, they broke it.
@@it2spooky4me79 Yeah tmk, the next gen update was never really intended to break mods, it was just an unfortunate consequence of bethesda code lol
I hope Minecraft modders move to Minetest. It's open-source and capitalism isn't behind it.
If there’s any lesson to be learned here, it’s that if you invent something special, CONTACT A LAWYER. Protect yourself and your creation, it will be worth it in the long run.
What’s crazy is that he asked a ROBLOX developer “Hey can you change the name?” AND THEY LISTENED. The only one here who actually went “alright I can do that” without a fuss
tbh if i was the roblox creator i wouldnt have changed the name. Noobcrew acting no better than microsoft in this specific instance
honestly, it makes sense for the roblox devs to change the name. they aren't making anything off it(the game doesnt have microtransactions iirc), and the name "Islands" actually fits better to the game.
@@1337_bean what do you mean? Noobcrew is trying to prevent people from profiting off his own work. he could have just taken the game down(roblox will very frequently take down games to avoid any legal trouble), but he just wanted to protect his name. Microsoft is attempting to profit off his hard work, and ruin his livelihood
@@CreeperMind89 but instead you are wrong, since noobcrew has no right over the trademark or about the gamemode he cant just take down the game, if he didnt wanted nobody to profit from its idea he should of have trademarked it before it became a popular genre of gamemode
@@uremi. first of all, use proper grammar. I had a stroke reading this. second of all, he left it free to let everyone use it without the worry of paying or not being allowed to use it. when others started making people pay absurd prices for what he made for free, he took issue. he didn't want it to be trademarked so people could use it freely.
god i hate the marketplace so much
making things free is no longer possible anymore. anyone who builds something and makes it free out of the kindness in their heart will be taken advantage of by a corporation. this world is fucking rotten. fuck humanity.
Yeah like those Typhlosion leaks.
@@sasukeuchiha998 my boy typhlosion aint done anything wrong it was his doppelganger tykaboom
How can you say fuck humanity and that the world is rotten when this video is living proof that there are still people fighting for the right thing out of the goodness of their hearts, even in the face of insurmountable odds like these? I feel like that alone is enough to warrant appreciation for humanity and its indomitable spirit.
I know there are plenty of bad people out there and that humanity can be pretty fucked up, but there are plenty more good people doing amazing things even if it’s hard to see them amidst all of the clusterfuckery of modern media.
At least remember this: Big Corpa wants you to lose hope and give into suffering so they can exploit you at your lowest. Cherish your hope and never let them win. As long as we’re still human there is still hope for this world❗️
@papawoolliest423 Y'know what, that's fair. The internet has opened us up to a wide array of people, but the algorithms want to show us what will make us angry since that's the most effective emotion for engagement.
I agree that there still is room for hope and that humanity still always has opportunities to shine in a positive light. Thanks for your reply
@@spoomksbut i do agree that there are “evil” people out there. Villains created by greed, lust and ego. Chill people like us exist luckily