RevoTechnik Stage 1 VW Golf Mk7 1.8T - (Track) One Take
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- The base-model Volkswagen Golf now comes with a 1.8L Turbocharged engine, which means potential for tuning! This car has been tuned by Revotechnik for 245 HP, more than the factory GTI, thanks to an intake, intercooler, exhaust, and a tune. It also features Revo's lowering springs and 19" cast wheels
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Sometimes being an insomniac pays off, thanks for the upload at 4 AM. :) (Southern California)
i just bought a 2016 golf S with the 6 speed auto and i cant wait to play with thank you for opening my mind
170 to 245! Can't get my head around that, crazy
VW really under-rates their engines. Going to buy an APR stage 1 tune when my factory warranty expires.
170hp on 87 octane. APR dyno’d a 1.8t with 93 octane, completely stock software, and it made 191hp. 21hp just by adding premium, and 19 more tq as well, up to 203lb/ft.
APR Stage 1 93 Octane makes 245 hp and 301 tq off the shelf without even touching intake, exhaust, and intercooler. Do intake, intercooler, and exhaust and you would be in the 280hp 330 tq range.
For the most part turbo engines in the 2010s are designed so robustly that you'd be flabbergasted at how far you can push boost+fuelling past factory settings before having to worry about the immediate integrity of the system. And now that all that is controlled electronically we see legitimately crazy gains on consumer tunes for plenty of stock turbo cars.
Right now I have the same car with apr stage 1 tune, spulen turbo inlet pipe, and im at 270 hp - 325 tq
Currently have my 1.8 with apr tune, intake, exhaust delete and love it! The main reason was when I purchased mine I really couldn’t beat it for the price point gti was almost 8-10k more USED definitely would’ve loved the R but just upkeep for that and price wasn’t in my budget for the time being!
All in all I love my 1.8 👍🏼
The appeal of this (for someone like me) is that I can buy a base Golf for 19k out the door, whereas the cheapest GTI comes to 25k out the door.
A $650 APR tune takes you beyond GTI power levels.
Add some 2nd hand wheels from Craigslist, maybe upgrade the brakes, and you have a budget GTI and you are still $3.5k below a GTI.
You can do these upgrades over time as you have money...and yeah I am a student lol
stock gti that is :)
i would have taken the golf but it looks so damn basic. the springs and rims help but still doesnt have the flaring and all the lighting packages, not to mention tech packages. i dont like the keyless shiz but i am a fan of a back up camera in a new car, so i went with jetta sport. i like the new styling, like a cheap a4.
hopefully after the tune i will be able to turn off ESC
Furkan Turfanda thats exactly what I'm going to do, in HS Rn. plus insurance is way cheaper
Smatchimo golf 1.8 has lighting package, you just add extra
tsi SEL
Since buying one, I've been waiting to see if anyone would mod a launch edition mk7 golf. Good to see it turns into something decent.
Here in Canada you can get into a 1.8 3 door Golf for a base price of $18,995. To get the GTI with the limited slip you need to spend $37,195. Quite a price gap. Pretty crazy, considering the Golf R starts at $39,995.
Even as an American, albeit a young one, it's wiser to buy the TSI over the GTI fo ther lower insurance rates and less of a temptation to do anything super stupid. Also as someone who values comfort heavily for the commute, for the money I'd rather have a fully-loaded TSI SEL than a base GTI.
A used manual 2015 1.8 TSI is approx 9000$ here in Quebec. All things considered that's very good. Even thinking of buying one as an upgrade from my wonderful Kia Rondo.
@@starwagon Do it ! and spare some for the APR Stage 1 tune... it's a blast (am also from quebec... probably better know me on forums with the Capitaine Haddock name :P)
"Why will you not just buy a gti?"
Because it's almost $9k more. Why is that even a question?
racc oon if you're in us lol
In Europe we don't get the 1.8T at all in the MK7. For us it is 1.2 TSI, 1.4 TSI or 2.0 TSI. So you either get the GTI or you are stuck with a 1.4 or a 1.2 .
But on the other hand we get a 6 speed manual with all those engines options and not a 5 speed.
+TheCocaColaManiac Man that's a bummer
+TheCocaColaManiac You can chiptune the 1.4 to 210 hp though
+Tim It is true that you can chip them to 210hp, however they tend to last less than 100k miles even in stock form. As for the 6 speeds I think only 1.4 and up come with them.
+TheCocaColaManiac But you can get it in the AUDI A3 SEAT LEON or the Skoda Octavia.
I was on the brink of getting one of these cars a year ago. Great to see this review!
Put GTI crank and rods in the 1.8 and boom you have a GTI engine at 2.0L of displacement. Oh and also the rated 170hp and 200 ft/lbs of torque is way underrated. People are taking BONE STOCK 1.8 MK7's and dynoing 185hp and 230ft/lbs AT THE WHEELS. The upgrades make this car 245hp at the wheels not at the crank. You also have to remember that the TSI runs an IS12 turbo and the GTI runs an IS20 turbo which is bigger than the IS12. The Golf R runs an IS38 turbo which is bigger than both. You can put an IS38 on a 1.8, it is a direct bolt on. You just need a tune. Full bolt on 1.8's with a tune and IS38 turbo swap make 350+ whp.
You can do IS38 onto a 1.8t? are you sure?
lorence b yes sir. I have an IS20 in my Sportwagen 4motion (1.8t). Apr intake and stock downpipe, and I am still making 300hp and 320 lbs/ft. So basically a budget golf R wagon. If I go IS38 and full bolt ons + a JB4 eventually, 380hp is not out of the question.
Premium fuel in my B7 Passat TSI and I am making 191hp and 203tq. Just picked the car up last week and I am completely in love with it. Smooth, incredibly comfortable and refined, and it pulls like a train.
hey dude i was just reading about putting a gti crank shaft into a 1.8 to make the 2.0l. have you see anyone actually do this? what's a crank shaft replacement like? im a new modder but the bolt on upgrades all look very easy. if i can upgrade the dp, ic, tubing, and do a turbo swap is a crank shaft replacement that difficult?
@@madincraft5809 damn. Didnt know the 1.8 was that strong
Just bought one of these! Going to keep it stock for a while as I commute about 100 miles a day.
Once the warranty is gone is then I'll start thinking about upgrades :) Looking at APR at the moment but Revo is very competitive!
U mod it yet?
They have such a great tune that when I went to my dealer to get a stage 1 on my 16 Golf 1.8 TSi (closest dealer was 2.5 hours away) I was told that Revo didn't have a tune for my 1.8 TSi. And this is after I had sent the dealer my built date, and vin number. Dealer told me they had forwarded that information to Revo USA and everything was good until they attempted to tune my car. Revo has not once apologized for their mistake (Lost a whole day and countless hours of driving for nothing)
Any modified golf's make me dribble in excitement.
Another good reason to get one is insurance.
DJ MotoVlogs definitely. Insurance and significant fuel cost savings over the GTI
1.8t is38 is great
Here's the reason to buy the 1.8t over the GTI: You buy the Sportwagen S with 4motion and DSG for about 19-20k and add the tune, better suspension and lighter, larger wheels. Down the road you can add the IS38 turbo and you're outperforming a stock Golf R and it's cooler because it's a wagon :) That's what I'm doing anyways. Got the car in January, first up suspension upgrade this summer.
Tax in the UK is based off CO2 emissions ratings. Only cars from pre 2001 are based off engine displacement and then it was either under or over 1549cc
+Russ Nicholls How are they measuring CO2 emissions in the UK?
+Russ Nicholls true true, but insurance might come into question when somebody is under 25 and is buying GTI or 1.8T.. + mods.
Time for a 245HP Golf Sportwagan :D
4 motion :D
I'm looking at a 2016 SportWagen to buy...
I wanna get the APR tune right away... that will get it close
cant wait to tune my 1.8t mk7
really liking the extra camera angle
In my country 1.8 is about 10-13K less then the GTI (second hand)
Matt. Seriously. I love watching your videos as much as the next guy. But PLEASE for the love of all that is on four wheels, would you lower the volumes of the drive by or pause the talking while inserting the drive-by clip. It is annoyingly inconvenient. I know you're constantly on the move, but this really is just a matter of clicking a few slides... I hope it doesn't come off as a rant as this is the only complaint I actually have :P
Keep up the good work!
+bardock11 the levels were managed and not peaking in the edit....
+TheSmokingTire 3:20
+bardock11 It's not that big of a deal, you're being a bitch, gtfo!
Bashing a constructive criticism with "you're being a bitch" and "gtfo" a week after it was posted. Damn your life must be easy.
No, it's not that big of a deal. But unlike you, apparently, I like to actually listen to what they're talking about while they're driving.
+bardock11 See previous comment
If you like to build your car, get the TSI. Difference between the base TSI and GTI is $10,000. You can bolt proper suspension, tune to GTI power, light weight wheels, better brakes than GTI and still have a couple thousand left in your account. The TSI is an excellent value if you can wrench.
I'm also thinking of the TSI because the only stock parts I'll be keeping is the engine and the catback. I'll be upgrading intake, ECU, suspension, sway bars, etc. so it makes some sense for me to go for a cheaper base model. At the same time, Volkswagen cut more corners on the Golf than they did previously. The mk6 Golf still had the bolstered seats (minus the plaid) but the seats on the mk7 Golf are no better than that on a base Jetta. Sides have a bit more bolster but not as good as the GTI or the base Golf from the mk5/6 years. Better seats would have sealed the deal on the TSI. Maybe I'll miss having 6 gears but I'd rather have a modded TSI than a stock GTI...probably.
This makes me really want to get a Stage 1 for my B7 Passat with the 1.8t.
+Greg DeLuca DO IT!
+Imad S I'm going to sooner or later. That's been on my wish list since I got the car!
+Greg DeLuca Video success!
You won't regret it. Stage 1 on my Mk6 GTI is quite similar in terms of power - it's the perfect amount. On the other hand stage 1 on the Mk7 2.0T almost has too much power for the typical driver.
Joel deSanto
I know exactly what you're talking about. I had a Mk6 GTI with Stage 1 and intake, and it was a blast. So, I want that same sort of enjoyment with my Passat now.
This is especially a good option for someone trying to rebuild their credit and is moving houses and commutes 1.5 hours round trip to work and back
Love when I come to a video and see no thumbs down yet :)
+Horsedick.MPEG Also just curious Matt but do you set these up to process and then have them upload at a certain time?
+Horsedick.MPEG videos are uploaded and processed weeks in advance and set to go live at the same time every day.
Well damn, you've really got a good system going then.
+Horsedick.MPEG no point in being your own boss unless you can schedule yourself to make it worthwhile!
Most definitely man, well can't wait to see more great content and thanks for the replies.
I find it amazing how low-spec your cars are in the US. When I saw the plastic steering wheel I nearly fell of my chair. And the halogen headlights. In Norway, finding a car without at least leather steering wheel and LED lights is nearly impossible..
Hey TST guys, I like the new camera angle, makes the screen look more balanced :)
I'm just waiting until unitronic will finally release their software for 1.8t golf
What part of the tune makes this car so tail happy? I took my golf to a car control clinic and on a wet skid pad I could only get it to oversteer under heavy braking. Beyond that it was happily running down whomever was in front of me, or understeering. I don't think it's power, it's got to be the suspension setup.
You're my boy blue.
Smh lol
Sweet! Home track, FTW.
Great review. Currently have a stage 1 Mk7 GTI - 300HP! The GTI is gets a lot for the money over the Golf: larger engine, 6-speed manual or dual-clutch (vs. the torque converter in the 1.8T), etc. That said: DSG, Performance Pack, and Lighting Package all add up to some considerable coin.
+Joel deSanto have you done a k04 swap in your golf?
+Juaanchi just stage 1 and some small stuff. The mk7 gets great gains from just the tune. You?
Joel deSanto I probably will buy a scirocco 2.0t or a 2014 jetta 2.0t. I was considering the k04 swap. Seen some jettas with around 360 bhp which blew my mind.
i have a 2015 volkswagen golf 1.8 tsi, im wondering what to buy for my first upgrades for more HP
Was Todd Reid there? He holds some of the records.
is this the engine thats in the polo 1.8?
GREAT REVIEW! 👍
I had this engine with around 200hp in a old mk4 polo it was crazy fast.
+lupo10 This engine is new I believe
+Imad S it is new.
in my country (Indonesia) an average VW volf 1.4 tsi would cost $40-50k and the GTI for $60-70k. because of the 200% mport tax lol. but I often see guys with regular golfs/sciroccos tune them up until stage 3
I have witnessed, firsthand, a MK7 Golf Sportwagen 4motion with only a Unitronic Stage 1 flash and 034 Motorsport Intake pull on a stock MK7 GTI. The GTI keep falling further behind well beyond 100mph
The big draw for me in Canadian winters would definitely be a tuned golf Alltrack/golf wagon since VW only sells golfs with a turbo/4motion combo in either 1.8t models or the golf R.
Also have to add this car had 19in wheels on it and it's spinning them like nothing!
would be nice to see a comparison against apr's tune.
You'd find them to be nearly identical.
and this is why, VW will not put a close ratio 6spd and lsd in the TSI. no body would buy the GTI, if all it had on the TSI was 40hp, which can be easily achieved on the 1.8t.
For me if I was to buy a new GTI, due to finances it would likely remain stock for the first year or 2. On the other hand if I bought a 1.8t or better yet the new 1.4l (not a big performance difference from the 1.8) I would have money to play around with, make it my own (big thing for me) and increase the power more than the GTI. Now if your wanting to build a 400+hp monster then no, the 1.8 or 1.4 doesn't really make sense. Great video guys👍👍
+Vern B
Still buying a GTI and keeping everything factory stock will give you fun without the worry of effecting reliability or longevity.
Friends don't let friends drive stock, lol
Buy a Burger Tuning JB1 - nearly all the benefits of a stage 1 tune for half the $ and none of the warranty issues. If it had been an option in Feb would have skipped a tune.
The reason to take a base Golf over a Gti is price. Even though there is only about a $4000 difference in price because you will get more in the base. A nice base model will have leather, a bigger infotainment screen, and a sunroof for the price.
I have an MK7.5 (2018) APR Stage 1 on 91 Octane (240HP 285lb-ft of torque)... the speed this thing ca go in its stock form in 3rd gear is 200kph I wonder what it is now...gotta wit until summer and drag strips to re open so I can test this thing out !
In Canada used mk7 gti are 10k+ more then the 1.8t
£130 tax on a GTI in uk(same as a 185bhp Audi A1 1.4T)
£180 on a R in the uk
Hardly high tax, if you can afford a GTI you can afford tax.
What Revo have done with the 1.8t is great, can see R&D on the engine becoming useful when the new Polo GTI 1.8t/seat Ibiza cupra 1.8t start getting mapped.
The Audi A3 1.8t 180bhp will also see advantages from it.
Wonder how well the trans will hold up
777PharmD777 The TSI's are non DSG however they say there pretty durable, how durable is just it.
Is the oversteer a result of the swaybars? Swaybars and springs? or something else?
Have you ever tried a Sportwagon with 6 speed manual, 4 wheel drive and APR Plus tune?
I lost my Golf R in a Flood and ended up with the sportwagon. Hoping to tune it.
digging a 3rd gopro.
In Ireland tax per year for a 2 litre is 768 dollars, going up to 1000 dollars for a 2.2 and for anything 3.2 and over it's 1958 dollars.. every year , 5.06 dollars per gallon too...
So in America, 1.8T or GTI? Really debating this if the tune gives the 1.8T decent power over the 170hp.
+Ronnyg13 Like he said, if you're in the US, no question get the GTI
I would go 1.8t! Massive sleeper
+Carbon_Cars_2015 then I'd have to factor in the cost of the tune. I'd just go with gti at that point.
If you have the money for a gti buy it, you'll have about the same performance as the tsi tuned and still room to improve a lot more if you want, but both are good cars, even the 1.4 tsi that is sold all over the world is a decent car it's all about what you need and what you like.
definitely get the gti if it's possible. Yeah this makes 245hp with a tune but the gti makes 320hp and 380ft lbs with a stage 1 tune. it's an absolute animal and will beat bolt on 5.0 mustangs
Recently I have been eyeing the Golf Sportwagen but I find it odd they stuck the 1.8t in it. Since I cant get a new TDI for who knows how long I was worried the 1.8 would be kind of a dog stock. I guess if you didnt want to drop coin on a tdi wagon adding a few bolt ons would at least liven up the car. I cant imagine how bad the 1.8 must be when fully loading the car. I found it a bit odd there was no detuned 2.0t for the wagons to help with grunt. Most likely too much money to certify another engine rather than sticking with what you got. Also no 6spd is kind of a bummer too. It is like they are trying to kill the manual in anything but the performance cars. I imagine 5spd golf take rate is rather low in the US.
Perfect HS kids car.
Good 'ol Slummit Point. Nice. Did you have to drive with an instructor before they let you out solo?
+Josh Taylor no, but this was not my first time around the track there.
Great video Matt! Can you please try and do a one take on either an Infiniti g35 (I don't care what generation) or an Infiniti G37 coupe. Send me a link if you have already done one on the channel
There is a G35 on the schedule. And for the record, since you post something like this on every single video, cars are chosen by submission, not by proactive selection, so asking me to do various cars gets you literally nowhere. If you want to see a certain car on the show, the only way to guarantee it appearing is to bring it to me yourself.
+TheSmokingTire wow thanks for the positivity. But I will take ur advice into consideration. Thanks on the g35
Though I could have paid for a GTI or Golf R with cash, I chose the 1.8T as a frugal, fun and practical car and subsequently got it APR tuned. I did a little comparo a while back on Reddit: reddit.com/33yxwg/
Thanks for the Reddit post. My GF & I have a Mk7 & Mk6 GTI - they are both great for different reasons yet with their own relative downsides - enjoyed your thoughts on the generational differences.
As far as I know, VW havent released any car with the 1.8T for over 10 years in Europe. Its all 2.0T now. Better engine as well. Is the 1.8T still 5 valve per cylinder? I got an old 2001 A3 1.8T myself at 220hp.
+Anders Kristensen The current Polo GTi is the only VW, to my knowledge, that gets the new 1.8T engine for those living outside of NA.
Revo is based in the UK? I always thought they was based in Germany.
Obvious reasons to add intake and exhaust, but why only go stage 1 with those mods? Also, is there really a need for an aftermarket intercooler on a stage 1?
One more thing, there isn't much info if any on the revo website to tune the 1.8T MK7.
So I know I’m 4 years late but what exhaust is this😂? This is the exact upgrade package I want to do on my mkvll but I don’t want a super loud pipe on there
Can you do a pov angle on the normal one takes and blur the HUD
Is the Revo 1.8 TSI OEM+ intake kit used on this car? On the revo website it doesn't list this car for that part but it does say it is for this engine.
I have a 2016 golf 1
8 tsi automatic..can someone help me with tuning...I'd like to upgrade to stage 1 or 1+...I'm in nova scotia canada
Base golf? There's multiple lower end engines in that (1.2 TSI, 1.4 TSI etc.)
+WAFFLETIME Ok, so it's the base model for 5-6% of the World's population.
Hey Matt, Thanks for the video. How did the fit feel on this car to you? It seemed like you had more room in that S2000 than this. I did not think this car was that small.
+mhn3773 Its fine in there for bigger guys
Did you have to get a performance clutch when you got the tune?
next time youre at summit point let me know, i live literally right next door to it
Hey, you still live right by it? Im going soon.
Are you going to test any more MINI Coopers? Maybe the new JCW or something?
+Malik Barnett I have a heavily modified R56 on the schedule. The newest ones are so ugly and bloated looking, I've completely lost interest.
Can you heel toe in these? A lot of modern VW (and other cars) cut the throttle when you apply the brake.
Yes you can. I don't think that applies to manual transmission cars
+TheSmokingTire I know the APR tune disables the throttle kill, so you can heel toe. From the factory you can not heel toe in the MK6
+TheSmokingTire in my manual 02 TDI it cuts the throttle when you hit the brake and gas. Wouldn't be surprised if it does in the new ones as well.
+Andrew Foster That is the stupidest shit I've ever heard. Maybe that's why the VW press cars all have DSG's.
+TheSmokingTire they didn't even let you take traction control off in one of the previous golfs... VW is run by a bunch of suits
yo boss i see you switched over to the Blancpain. how do you like it? substantially bigger then your Roley.
+carbonshwartzmetalic It's a Shinola Black Blizzard. Nice everyday'er.
TheSmokingTire damn.. had me fooled
I wonder if you can do an is38 swap on this
Or for the Canadians out there who can't justify 370Z money on a Golf GTi (seriously, it's $1000 less for the GTi. Why wouldn't I get the Z?), but want something tunable, the base golf is a decent option.
Changing a motor, like adding stuff is really hard in Europe.
Legalizing the car will cost you money.
Are you posting a video of a GTI or Golf R from Revo soon then!?
Big turbo GTI next monday
+TheSmokingTire Awesome! I loved my REVO GTI 337 and would love to see a review of a GTI 337/20th Anniversary GTI with the 1.8T 6spd. I just got a '16 Golf R. Hoping to see you review a tuned version of that as well. Thanks for the reply!
+TheSmokingTire Bring on the Powah!!!
In Russia taxes are based on horsepower figures, so even something really old and cheap, but with a high power output, can cost you a lot of money to run because of tax rates alone... Ridiculous
So the tax authorities dyno your car and tax you accordingly? Are you taxed on crank hp or wheel hp? Haha. That's exactly the point of this car! Markets such as you're own!
Stigs722
It's based on the manufacturer's claimed power-figure - it's written down in your PTS (that's what we call a pink-slip here) when you're car goes through customs, or when a Passport is issued to a car produced in Russia (most VW's, BMW's, Toyota's, Peugeot's, Nissan's, Renault's etc. for the Russian market are actually assembled here, I was never really bothered to look into which companies exactly have assembly lines here, since there are so many - I do know that GM pulled out because of all this sanctions bullshit).
Stigs722
Anyway, that's why tuning is an option - you only pay for the horsepower which the car used to make from the factory.
Steven buy the stage 1+
$ BEAUTIFUL! ACIDIC PICKLE
No leather clad steering wheel?
is this the first 60 fps video?
245hp, big question, the TQ???
270 ish estimated. with an is20 the torque figure bumps well on these 1.8t.
How is it compared to the fiesta st?
Tax isn't that bad in the UK, I don't mind paying a 15 Pounds a month, which is about how much you would pay for a mk7 GTi. My car which is much slower.. an e36 318ti is 20 a month..
1.8T neva loses
hahahaha,, you must be a man of culture like my self!!
Do you complete practice runs before you record or just go for it.
+Leon Camacho I did 5 practice laps in the Sportwagen before I started recording to remember where the track went, since it had been 2 years since I'd driven it. Then I just press record and go.
The problem for the 1.8T is that you can get up to 400hp from the GTI with tuning plus a factory LSD..
+Whoracle8531 Source?
+Whoracle8531 To get 400hp out of any modern GTI (MkV onwards) you need to do a serious amount of work, including replacing turbos. You can't get more than 300 or so without different turbos, and you certainly can't with just ECU tuning. Maybe on the Golf R, but not the GTI.
+Whoracle8531 With the IS38 yes you can reach 400hp, plus better Diff or PP GTI
+BBDSmint www.jp-performance.de/golf-7-gti/
It says: tune, downpipe, intercooler, turbo and intake costing 6k€
But the LSD alone would be ~4k for the 1.8T
Whoracle8531 Ok so an aftermarket turbo lol, you said tuning
in US is not optional XDS diff?
For your videos on track it would be nice to have gps data on screen. Car seems slow
It would be nice but we don't have the hardware.
+TheSmokingTire arent there some iphone apps for that? But then the video has be edited..
+Whoracle8531 We haven't found one that exports and overlays properly using Apple-based software. Since we don't own any PC's, any solutions must be Apple based. If there are suggestions out there I haven't seen, I'm all ears.
Problably it would be better with 18" wheels
...isn't a car usually considered stage 2 once you've changed the intake/intercooler?
Downpipe + Stage 2 ECU maketh a Stage 2 car.
Hmmm, on my car if i ran a intake or intercooler i need to run cobb's stage 2 map (tho i don't use OTS tunes)
"Stage" numbers vary from tuner to tuner. This whole package is sold as "stage 1" by Revo, so that's how it is labeled
+michael some call adding an intake and intercooler "stage 1.5" but APR & Revo require a downpipe to run stage 2 software.
hahaha i always found the whole "stage" thing a little silly... i mean WTF does a stage 5 clutch mean? thanks for the info guys
base golf? upgrades? uhh
What exhaust is on this car?
how does this compare to the 2005 1.8T GTI
Quinton Markett probably just as quick
Qchewb5s4forlife 12303 the 1.8TSI is far more faster than the 20V 1.8T. i have compared both cause I own both types of engines :P
"make due with an open diff"
GTI fans have been making due with that until the current gen anyways lol
I just hate the long gearing. 5 speed is what kills this golf and the Jetta. The tune really wakes the car up a lot. Coming forum owner of mk6 1.8t Jetta. Totally sleeper in my opinion for cheap pricing nowadays.
I am not so much into VW group. Please tell me is it the same 1.8T that has been in around for over a decade?
+darek4488 No it isn't
it has recieved massive Updates since the 2000s 1.8Ts
So what's new in the second generation?
Jason See Can you speak English as well?
+darek4488 That's just what the new engine is.
get a GTI Matt!