The Rufus Shinra Reunion THEORY | Final Fantasy 7 Remake

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  • At the end of Final Fantasy 7 Remake we are left with quite a chunk of mind blow to dissect that hold huge implications for part 2. One of those being, why the hell can Rufus Shinra see the whispers!? This theory is going to break down some crazy Final Fantasy 7 story lore across the compilation from the advent children movie, FF7 OG, Before Crisis, Crisis Core and the end of the Remake. Exploring questions like could he be a Cetra or Jenova experiment? A magical north pole baby? Something new? Stick around to the end of this theory and see how convinced you become that Rufus Shinra plays a mysterious role that the Final Fantasy 7 Remake could potentially twist on us. So far theory vids for characters on the Final Fantasy Peasant channel include Aerith, Cloud & Sephiroth and honestly... I see Rufus almost on par with these FF7 character giants in terms of his involvement in the story. All hail theory tinfoil hat madness & the insanity Square Enix have brought to the table! :P
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  • @peppercat1887
    @peppercat1887 4 ปีที่แล้ว +243

    I believe the Whispers are essentially showing themselves to people who would greatly influence the fate of the world.
    Avalanche who are a key factor in this journey and chain of events.
    Cloud for being a main player in this world.
    Aerith, I mean, needs no explanation.
    And Rufus who we all know, plays a pivotal role in combating the WEAPONs.

    • @rolandconstancio9634
      @rolandconstancio9634 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I agree. Hojo also notices them

    • @Shalakor
      @Shalakor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@rolandconstancio9634 I may have missed something, but is it ever confirmed Hojo actually saw them, or did he just experience being dragged off by an invisible force? Surely the whispers touching people doesn't automatically always make them visible to them, cause they've manipulated "unimportant" persons before. Obviously, he's a big player in the main events, but his role and goals directly align with having the story go exactly as it did originally, exactly as destined, because by his warped standards he wins by operating exactly as he always has.

    • @mmoarchives2542
      @mmoarchives2542 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      the ramifications of him surviving has a greater impact of the ending though, had he lived, he could've tried to destroy the crater, it's why the diamond weapon was triggered and killed rufus to begin with

    • @rolandconstancio9634
      @rolandconstancio9634 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Shalakor it's never confirmed but he did react to them when they appeared before they touched him

    • @jamescorey3516
      @jamescorey3516 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The people who sees these ghost are those who have strong contact with Mako energy.
      That's why Cloud and Aerith sees them more than the others.
      Rufus in Advent Children was infected by the stigma.

  • @slixxvaj
    @slixxvaj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    PRESIDENT SHINRA: Cloud, I am your father.
    CLOUD: No. No. That's imposible!!!
    PRESIDENT SHINRA: Search your feelings, you know it to be true!!
    CLOUD: No. No. No!!!

    • @ripperhigh8001
      @ripperhigh8001 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      no

    • @LaviniaDeMortalium
      @LaviniaDeMortalium 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've read that fanfic :)

    • @n0ctiz456
      @n0ctiz456 4 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Sephiroth: is jenova safe
      Hojo: it seems in your anger you killed her
      Sephiroth: Nooooooooo

    • @anv5509
      @anv5509 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes! Cloud and Rufus are siblings.

    • @joshwest9373
      @joshwest9373 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sephiroth: And I you and you are I

  • @AlleluiaElizabeth
    @AlleluiaElizabeth 4 ปีที่แล้ว +98

    All I know is I want Rufus in my party. Or playable in a DLC. With Darkstar.

    • @Mscape7
      @Mscape7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      No. FF7 already has too many male characters. We need more females.

    • @mettatonneoex
      @mettatonneoex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      A DLC Backstory would be interesting

  • @Ginko1396
    @Ginko1396 4 ปีที่แล้ว +327

    Rufus being enhanced with Jenova cell makes sense tbh seeing how hard he whooped my ass

    • @jamescorey3516
      @jamescorey3516 4 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      The people who sees these ghost are those who have strong contact with Mako energy.
      That's why Cloud and Aerith sees them more than the others.
      Rufus in Advent Children was infected by the stigma.
      Aerith can speak directly to the planet and knows more of what's going on.

    • @brickflair8926
      @brickflair8926 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      This is confirmed in advent children because he has the stigma!

    • @MemoriesInMonochrome
      @MemoriesInMonochrome 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      IKR!! 💯😆🤣😂👏🏼 I ASK RUFUS MAY YOU PLEASE USE SOME LUBE BEFORE YOU GIVE ME THE ASS POUNDING.
      RUFUS SAID: "ABSOLUTELY NOT" "RAWRRRR!"

    • @jboogie380
      @jboogie380 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@brickflair8926 no he has ligma

    • @the_best_saiyan8448
      @the_best_saiyan8448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@brickflair8926 so do the kids and other people who DONT have mako

  • @MrArthurHC
    @MrArthurHC 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    It actually makes sense that Cloud and Rufus are siblings, and that square enix decided to reveal this in the remakes. Think about it, that would explain why they decided to include an interaction between Cloud and Biggs/Wedge where they ask him if his father is alive and he answers no. That could have been just a first step for the revelation to occur later. Only time will tell I guess.

  • @chapachuu
    @chapachuu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Wow, I think you covered all the bases here. I definitely think Cloud and Rufus are connected in some way and that it's possible Rufus is part Cetra. Just a couple things: Rufus is looking down out the Shinra building in that scene where he sees the Whispers. Then it cuts to Cloud looking up (it makes it look like they're looking at each other from a distance, like they're connected or can sense each other). One thing I noticed about the remake is that there is HEAVY symbolism and spoilers through music and imagery being done. I really believe that they are connected in some way, whether it's a brothers or S-Cell carriers. Also, to support your theory of there being more Cetra, I'm pretty sure Marlene's mother was one. It's heavily hinted at that Marlene can hear the planet in the remake. It would kind of make sense if Rufus could too and maybe hes just keeping it hush hush because he doesn't want to get the Aerith treatment.

  • @PadawanKestis
    @PadawanKestis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Whispers also known as the arbiters of fate (keepers of fate), are beings born of the planet said to enforce the course of destiny. They appear in large gatherings whenever events stray too far from fate's intended path. I believe Rufus can see them as he has changed the path of his own destiny or as you aid he has a linked path with Cloud ad the others., I like the part where he could be a Cetra or given S-cells as a baby maybe we'll learn more later in the 2nd half of the game when it's out

  • @NsEndandFriends
    @NsEndandFriends 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I've said it before and I'll say it again, Rufus Shinra IS the WEAPON slayer. He's 2 for 2 on weapon kills, which in the original Japanese game means he's taken out more WEAPONS than Cloud's crew.

  • @StuicideDesigns
    @StuicideDesigns 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I have yet to hear anyone's take on the meaning behind Kadaj kneeling to Rufus. Kneeling is traditionally a sign of fealty. Now, Kadaj was indeed revealing his true fealty, but it was very "accomodating" to this man to make sure he could see him, rather than demanding to be looked directly at.
    Just.. weird. Is it not? or is that just me?

    • @Peannlui
      @Peannlui 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Could be that it's symbolic as Shinra is the source of Sephiroth and his powers - and hoping Rufus would allow for more of him to be made - or as a sarcastic move. It's been years since I watched the movie though. :(

  • @Aphelionx208
    @Aphelionx208 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I also find it curious that they gave Rufus a more silver-blond hair colour, when he had a similar colour as Cloud in the OG. Granted, he already was silver blond in Advent Children but maybe they were toying with the idea of a connection with Sephiroth back then.
    Great video, keep it up! c:

  • @Sif3r
    @Sif3r 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    It's because of the role he has in Advent Children. The game is a sequel with Advent Children Sephiroth travelling back to 'Remake' the future so he succeeds. Anyone who has a major role in that movie can see them.

  • @remains7209
    @remains7209 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    About Dirge of Cerberus...isn't Rufus the one funding the resistance or the allies to fight against villains or the Hojo's puppets?
    Reeve did say that they have help of someone who is indebted to the planet and Rufus is indebted after Advent Children.
    Also aren't Neo-Reunion people from quite the time back but hidden because they speak of brothers and sisters like Genesis at the end of Dirge of Cerberus.

    • @AspieMediaBobby
      @AspieMediaBobby 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      They`re referring to DEEPGROUND and similar SOLDIER/JENOVA descendants like The Remnants and Cloud.

  • @kuroganematisson9800
    @kuroganematisson9800 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Rufus' 2-year leave is due to his house arrest after the failed attempt to assassinate President Shinra. So it wasn't he decided to take a protracted vacation but was effectively forced by his father. The dates and events are entirely coincidental and have no firm connection nor causation. Some other "significant changes" could have been a product of mere editorial decisions or aesthetic changes to better fit the narrative thread. Rufus seeing the Whispers might just be an instrument to highlight the character's importance in the plot ahead or a signal of its development and relevance shifting somehow... Anywho, this is just my speculation.

  • @TuberoseKisser
    @TuberoseKisser 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I think he's part cetra, considering how his father sleeps around.

  • @catarena8031
    @catarena8031 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In regards to Evan Townshend and his mother
    SPOILERS FOR THE BOOK The Kids Are Alright: A Turks Side Story.
    His mum didn't predict he'd need surgery because of Kadaj stabbing him in the future. Evan was born with a weak heart and had a procedure to fix it as a kid. After the surgery the doctor lied to his mother and told her that Evan had a growth in his brain that would need more surgery at some point, to scam her out of more money. That's why she spent years saving up.
    It's also worth noting that Evan has shoulder surgery before Kadaj stabs him because Elena shoots him and pretty much damn near obliterates his shoulder 😂
    Love this video. Not trying to undermine the theory and it doesn't take anything away. Just something I had to clear up.

  • @iamjoehill
    @iamjoehill 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Remember when he has Jenovas head in AC? I feel like that will have something to do with it

  • @radrose4864
    @radrose4864 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I SO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS VIDEO!!!! I’m happy it’s as long as it is, and I would watch the whole thing even if it was 3 hours long. I’m so fascinated by Rufus’ character. I want an epic fanfiction about his life 🤩 please make more ff7 videos!!!

  • @GhostofCorel
    @GhostofCorel 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The whispers and Harbinger of Fate are the manifestation of destiny within the planet. Rufus is integral to the fate of the planet in 2 ways: He uses Shinra to to move the Mako Cannon from Junon to Midgar. he then uses it to fire the Mako Cannon to break the barrier over the Northern crater, which allows our heroes to defeat Sephiroth the 1st time. then his role in Advent Children also.

  • @patricknicoletti620
    @patricknicoletti620 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Your "half brothers" theory could make sense because we only ever meet Cloud's mother and never know who his father is, so President Shinra could have knocked her up when visiting Nibelheim and set to g up the reactor.

  • @jakeossello8798
    @jakeossello8798 4 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I'm going to swing for the fences and say it will be revealed that Cloud and Rufus are half brothers. Probably not oh, but you never know.

    • @ripperhigh8001
      @ripperhigh8001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      not a chance, there is literally zero indication of this

    • @StuicideDesigns
      @StuicideDesigns 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@ripperhigh8001 There is plenty of circumstantial pieces of evidence to support.
      President Rufus is well known for being a womanizer.
      Has several KNOWN bastard children.
      Cloud not ever talking about his dad in the main game.
      Rufus is becoming more important to the story, or always was more important than we knew.
      Not very many "blonde" characters in the game. Cloud, President Shinra, Rufus, and Cid.
      So, there is "literally several indications" that are not unreasonable to assume.

    • @justinbond9377
      @justinbond9377 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@StuicideDesigns I have red hair, and don't know who my dad is. You think Carrot Top is my father?

    • @Alleroc
      @Alleroc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@justinbond9377 Yes, he indeed is your father. Get rich, son!

    • @creativebodyflying
      @creativebodyflying 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nah, Rufus already has 2 half brothers. 1st one is Lazard from Crisis Core and second one is Evan Townsend from Kids Are Alright novel (pretty cool one!). Kinda doubt Cloud is 3rd. They would reveal it somewhere already.

  • @SigmaElement
    @SigmaElement 4 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    He is also way too strong... so Jenova cells seems a real possibility

    • @renooftheturks984
      @renooftheturks984 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Or even mako.. I mean he can hanging on a flying helicopter and can shoot with a shotgun with only one arm

    • @JKMlive
      @JKMlive 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@renooftheturks984 what about reno and rude though. Reno moved as fast as lightning but he isn't mako enhanced.

    • @RelativelyBest
      @RelativelyBest 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@JKMlive Or Tifa, for that matter. Girl punches giant robots to pieces, and she's a normal human who just took a lot of kung fu lessons. There's a scene at the end of the remake showing Midgar townspeople cleaning up after all the destruction and stuff, and there are dudes there - like, nameless background characters - who can be seen picking up huge steel I-beams by themselves and heft them on their shoulders like it's nothing. Some people in that setting are just damn strong. They're basically anime characters who can get super powers simply by working out.

    • @Shalakor
      @Shalakor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Rufus is essentially a member of the Turks training and resources wise, if not better, and is even their Director, and the Turks are super soldiers via equipment instead of by being mako-infused, and you never see Turks being afraid to fight SOLDIERs. Especially now that it's been canonized that weapons are constructed around a core materia that can directly enhance its wielder, superhuman feats from non-inherently superhuman individuals are not outlandish in-universe.
      ...Kinda makes me wonder, how overwhelmingly deadly is Shinra's Golden Gun you think?

  • @limitbreakplusultra7551
    @limitbreakplusultra7551 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I always figured Rufus shot the Avalanche helicopter down to keep up appearances. He may not have even given the direct order. The Turks may have simply assumed he wanted it and acted.

  • @mushroomlyyyy
    @mushroomlyyyy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was doing a bit of digging...and came up with this: the flowers on Rufus' coin are mandragora/mandrake flowers, which have been involved in stories about magical powers...It was said in some tales that they could only be harvested in moonlight by a black dog attached to a cord (Darkstar/Dark Nation, anyone? She does appear on that side of the coin, hmm....) after proper rituals had been conducted, and that they were tied to dark powers, that, get this, drove men mad if they heard the shriek of a mandrake. The roots are also highly poisonous. To continue with this the color of the mandrake ranges from....purple to yellow. May be looking a little too hard into it, but I find the symbolism fascinating.

  • @jasonoconnor9377
    @jasonoconnor9377 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wild theory for you Pez, Zack is not in an alternate timeline. He`s alive while the events of the game are taking place. And he`s connected with Rufus somehow, in some way. I think Zack is the planet`s ace in the hole that Sephiroth would not expect and Rufus knows it. The whispers were there in the flashback to help Zack because they realized that they were screwed I think, and I think only Aerith got the vision of it so she knows too.

  • @commanderkitsune8524
    @commanderkitsune8524 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Loved this theory video. Can completely believe it. Interested to see how it works out. While I was already very intrigued in the new direction the Remake can potentially go in, this theory has me curious for Rufus's side as well. Love it!

  • @DivineDissident
    @DivineDissident 4 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Cloud and Rufus brothers?! thats an idea that seems very plausible.

    • @ripperhigh8001
      @ripperhigh8001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      not its not a good theory and would make the story so much worse

    • @elizabethchint6485
      @elizabethchint6485 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oh shut up, let people have their headcanons and theories. You don't like it, don't watch.

    • @DivineDissident
      @DivineDissident 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Elizabeth Chint excuse me?

    • @DivineDissident
      @DivineDissident 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ripper High Why would it make the story worse? Cloud’s mother did live by the Shinra mansion. It doesn’t seem that far fetched.

    • @Wykesidefruitmachine
      @Wykesidefruitmachine 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DivineDissident I think she was berating ripper, not you.

  • @ZeldaLover6
    @ZeldaLover6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I recently read both FF7 novels, On the way to a Smile & The Kids are Alright, and it is explained when and how Rufus got infected with geostigma.
    Long story short after meteor fall he got kidnapped by a scientist who also had geostigma patients, the area he was in got flooded and the dark liquid floated over to him and infected him.
    (The books explain it far better than I can.)
    -
    Didn’t Rufus follow Cloud around so he could find the so called “mako filled promised land” his father never could? Tracking Sephiroth was just a bonus.

  • @jsullivan649
    @jsullivan649 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I wonder if they'll introduce the Cetra species properly in part 2. Maybe they believed Ifalna to be the last (but being a pure bred as you said, is impossible), for there to need to be over 4,000 unique people for the race to survive... how happened to the rest? One mass extinction event / mass suicide?

  • @cecilyannelimbaga9542
    @cecilyannelimbaga9542 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It makes more sense is rufus and cloud are half siblings. Given that for some reason the presidents ofsprings seem to have urges... But Rufus is just plain awesome

  • @zachgibson8876
    @zachgibson8876 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pez! So glad to see you doing content like this again. I love these types of lore and theory videos. Have you ever considered doing a podcast? There aren’t a lot in the final fantasy realm.

  • @TuberoseKisser
    @TuberoseKisser 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Came back to this video, regarding MVP, it should be noted that when repopulating or attempting to create enough individuals to create a valuable population, inbreeding for 1-2 generations is considered safe before side effects start to manifest, of course it varies from pair to pair but generally speaking, when a species is desperate to survive, there's a chance for inbreeding, especially if it's controlled by a greater power.

  • @ellerj641
    @ellerj641 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    21:10 Medic: "Try not to drop anybody this time." While holding the president.

  • @JugbandGates
    @JugbandGates 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cloud and rufus being half brothers would be fucking depressing, but in a good way. Im not against it, in fact im all in for it, kinda makes sense with the shinra mansion, cloud's father identity and all.

  • @GoldenMushroom64
    @GoldenMushroom64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Bruh... this.... this is the BEST story ever written for a game I swear

  • @michaelmiller7465
    @michaelmiller7465 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    'oh no, I lost cloud, what will I do? Maybe I can follow one of these fifty clones walking towards the goal...' Rufus might not care, but HOJO does seem smart enough that this is a perfectly valid strategy. Scarlet would probably leash a few up and use them to take her there in a chariot...

  • @HelennaPierce
    @HelennaPierce 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Cloud and Rufus do look alike (Blond hair, blue eyes) Maybe they do share some cells.

  • @jacobturner5213
    @jacobturner5213 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What are the chances that Kadaj and his crew will show up at some point? Like the fates Kadaj and his crew the fates fight with sword, fist, and gun.

  • @Masenken
    @Masenken 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Plot twist: Rufus is 128 over 17 percent cetra

  • @TheHrebo
    @TheHrebo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    tseng came in contact with aerith yet he doesnt see them

  • @tona4x7
    @tona4x7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It always seemed to me that the ability to see whispers was passed from person to person through contact and/or altering their destiny. He didnt see them until after fighting cloud, who didnt see them until after meeting aerith. Pretty sure reno can see them now as well after they saved him from cloud in the church

  • @aMemberOfSTARS
    @aMemberOfSTARS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I enjoyed this. Well done. This Rufus was DOPE

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      @lippylyrics8183 3 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @homer_thompson5090
    @homer_thompson5090 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Anyone whose actions defy what is "meant" to happen seem to be able to see them.

  • @mistaken5289
    @mistaken5289 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i didn't notice that the whisperers the reason why rufus was so different in that one scene talking to tseng! it was always taken out of context by the shippers that he just naturally opens up to him for no reason, which i didn't really understand lol.

  • @mariana.rafael.alegria
    @mariana.rafael.alegria 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wouldn't find wierd if Minerva which is a Cetra would be Rufus mother

  • @gustavo.sanford
    @gustavo.sanford 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep up the juicy content, Pez!

  • @pyronicdesign
    @pyronicdesign 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    okay i never thought about this but hear me out. We know that Sephiroth seems to be able to subvert the whispers, at least a little bit. For example : instead of stabbing President Shinra at his desk he somehow for some reason hangs him off the tower. Now, Maybe i tried to do something else we did not see and the Whispers stopped it and THEY hung Shinra off the tower, thereby putting things back on track. BUT! maybe, just maybe Sephiroth did hang Shinra off the building. This actually changes the timeline a little bit. the whispers could not interfere with what Sepheroth did, so they instead interfere with Rufus...They reveal themselves to Rufus for some reason , presumably to get the timeline back on track. Rufus IS very important.

  • @ObviousHUN
    @ObviousHUN 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Voices of the Lifestream Shinra remix? You got my like

  • @mettatonneoex
    @mettatonneoex 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think having him as a Cetra/Jenova he has this neutrality and Ying Yang thing going on. Hojo is a sicko but Rufus has that same curiosity. Sephiroth is himself and not himself. The future and the past

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  • @ontos8914
    @ontos8914 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think its just people who are integral to the timeline that can see them

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    @Amber_xo_133 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @yunniekal
    @yunniekal 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rufus looks amazing in the remake

  • @chief_mourner
    @chief_mourner 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just hope he still lives this time

  • @Batman1084CK
    @Batman1084CK 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As big of a character as Cloud? Sometimes I think fans take their feelings way too far... but I digress.

  • @xizilionyizzexeliqer3897
    @xizilionyizzexeliqer3897 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm thinking anyone that comes into contact with Aerith has that ability actually it seems anyone that has met Aerith in the 4th dimension (one point in their life) seems to have increased fighting abilities and capacities the irony isn't it? The mako and type S cells make some difference too. The Cetra power has links in the 4th dimension with humans it has bonds with?

  • @wadew.9986
    @wadew.9986 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i'm pretty sure it is because he touches Cloud during their fight

  • @michaeljames6737
    @michaeljames6737 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    rufus is dope he looks like a character from tokyo ghoul

  • @sennahisagi
    @sennahisagi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I actually thought the whispers maybe the ancients like their spirits they do remind of the souls from Final Fantasy X-2

  • @velocityraptor7188
    @velocityraptor7188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rufus looks like a ps5. Lmao. Hahaha.
    When I'm not Cloud, I'm Rufus. Xd

  • @Joshua.670
    @Joshua.670 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Perhaps people who see a death or suffered a loss can see these phantasms

  • @brandinoiii4293
    @brandinoiii4293 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Name of song at begging of video @Final Fantasy Peasant?

  • @aMemberOfSTARS
    @aMemberOfSTARS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rufus is an ANCIENT SOLDIER 🤣🤣🤣

  • @michaeljmeyer3
    @michaeljmeyer3 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    At the 13:50 mark, what addon or whatever is being used to replace the character models? Looks sweet.

  • @inichan8786
    @inichan8786 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When it is just about possible theorys...let me give ya ONE more option: What if, in the actual timeline him surviving and LIVING during Advent Children WASN'T fate?
    WHAT if Rufus Shinra surviving and holding out, ensuring not a second Hojo wannabe takes his steps forward was against FATE and the planet rather would have had humanity even more reduced to get a breather for a few millenias? Everyone who sees them either sees them after being in contact with Aerith or at a critical point that could change their fate. So what if, that is the main contributer here? Just a thought.
    because the planet definitly was a ok with how shit went down the first time. It survived! Hurt, but survived.

  • @Itsjentai
    @Itsjentai 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Was watching while messaging a coworker( whose name starts with an R) and called them Rufus on accident and they were like, “Who’s Rufus?” 😆

  • @26willkill
    @26willkill 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Rufus joins the party

  • @kaioriuzamaki
    @kaioriuzamaki 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Replay crisis core Pez I’m recently doing it and it more than confirms a lot of theories about FF7R especially your Rufas and Ifalna theory

  • @Eric-md3mp
    @Eric-md3mp 4 ปีที่แล้ว +276

    Rufus just wants to be a party planner, that's why he puts together all these reunions, it's really his calling

    • @amyk4503
      @amyk4503 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @93BossRoss
      @93BossRoss 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Dude, but he is NO match for Angela Martin.

    • @jessicag.3694
      @jessicag.3694 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Seriously. "I'll rule the world with fear!" So, does he crack down harshly with the military? No, he puts on an ocean parade lmao

    • @jamescorey3516
      @jamescorey3516 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The people who sees these ghost are those who have strong contact with Mako energy. That's why Cloud and Aerith sees them more than the others.

  • @xMarrilliamsx
    @xMarrilliamsx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    The fact the original and remake can have so many separate story elements and theories crafted proves how creative and unique this entire story is.

    • @rcslyman8929
      @rcslyman8929 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      FF7 is definitely one of the most complex stories in gaming history. All because the planet pulled a whole "I CAN SEE THE FUTURE" about its death at the hands of Meteor and set everything in motion to save itself.

    • @Kaboomboo
      @Kaboomboo ปีที่แล้ว

      Not really. It makes it convoluted and confusing to follow. The separate story elements just make it a mess.

    • @badreedinedjellali1328
      @badreedinedjellali1328 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      There is theory that Rufus is related to cloud imean the look kinda the same

  • @Pokephira
    @Pokephira 4 ปีที่แล้ว +206

    It really isn't surprising why Rufus can see the whispers. Rufus is the single most influential person on the planet, supernatural powers or not. Thus his ability to affect destiny is much more grounded and drawn out.

    • @jamescorey3516
      @jamescorey3516 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      The people who sees these ghost are those who have strong contact with Mako energy.
      That's why Cloud and Aerith sees them more than the others.
      Rufus in Advent Children was infected by the stigma.

    • @Pikachu-qr4yb
      @Pikachu-qr4yb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "Supernatural powers or not"
      I mean that does make a huge difference though if he can see supernatural things just cause he has big influence in the physical world lol. There definitely has to be something else

  • @tiffyw92
    @tiffyw92 4 ปีที่แล้ว +246

    Plot twist: Rufus just smoked a lot of Mako-infused Loco Weed when he was younger and that's why he sees strange things sometimes.

    • @panghxiong9074
      @panghxiong9074 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Lol

    • @MemoriesInMonochrome
      @MemoriesInMonochrome 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      lmao

    • @mrplayfulshade1038
      @mrplayfulshade1038 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha funny weed joke, Im literally crying dude. Your a fucking genuis in comedy!

    • @ryxan6968
      @ryxan6968 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nice

    • @cheef825
      @cheef825 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      bro was smoking that cosmo canyon pack

  • @MemoriesInMonochrome
    @MemoriesInMonochrome 3 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    Rufus come out of the helicopter gunz blazing
    Rufus: "So anyway I started blastin'."

  • @user-battlescar1313
    @user-battlescar1313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    Rufus is just plain out awesome. He took on Sapphire and Diamond WEAPON in OG.

    • @user-battlescar1313
      @user-battlescar1313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Oh and it's kind of a theory he was taking on Ultima as well when Tifa was asleep.

    • @FinalFantasyPeasant
      @FinalFantasyPeasant  4 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      @@user-battlescar1313 Not to mention comes up with a legit decent plan to deal with Meteor. By Advent Children I think it just gets prove that Clouds stubbornness & mistrust becomes almost as damaging as anything Rufus did early on

    • @user-battlescar1313
      @user-battlescar1313 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@FinalFantasyPeasant yes the plan that fans argued about on the web "Was AVALANCHE in the right by collecting those Huge Materias?" Left people thinking for years... well until someone purposely failed each quest to say "nope the plan doesn't stop meteor either way".

    • @kallyhhana1
      @kallyhhana1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @DevilKaz read/listen to case of shinra, it explains it and shows how badass he really is

    • @13chabs776
      @13chabs776 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      he also had the balls to take on Cloud 1 on 1

  • @Zanderuu
    @Zanderuu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +77

    The way Rufus was treated by the president I feel like he could be a clone of him mixed in with Jenova cells in an attempt to make a cetra version of himself to leave his company too. That way Rufus either had a surrogate mother or maybe even was grown in a test tube. That was the feeling i got when i saw Rufus and the president next to eachother. Rufus looks very much like a young version of his old man

    • @jet44444
      @jet44444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      He looks exactly like his dad, there’s a pic of the young prez in the museum. It’s practically Rufus. Your theory looks more likely to me than anything.

    • @MrReubenTishkoff
      @MrReubenTishkoff 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      It's hinted in Advent Children he's suffering from geostigma, so he definitely has jenova cells.

    • @lorenzopiscosi9566
      @lorenzopiscosi9566 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrReubenTishkoff advent children is not canon lol

    • @ZKY2
      @ZKY2 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@lorenzopiscosi9566 Yes it is? This Sephiroth is literally post-AC.

    • @pieniaurinko
      @pieniaurinko 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      While Rufus could theoretically be a clone (and the video kinda convinced me that there must be *something* special about Rufus), the looks he shares with his father don't really necessitate that. I found a picture of my brother some years ago and asked why I couldn't remember him having such short hair when he was around 18 years old. Turns out it was a picture of our dad...

  • @leopeo2514
    @leopeo2514 4 ปีที่แล้ว +68

    Playing the OG ff7 I always felt that there was something funky going on at the City of Ancients... Was it abandoned like 2000 years ago? The beds are still made in the bedrooms... After watching this I can only theorise that Ifalna is the last surviving ancients becasue she is the only one that Shinra spared. I Wouldnt be surprised if we find out in the next part of the remake that shinra actually commited some sort of genocide on those people, Stole their materia and/or made experiments trying to create ancient hybrids or monsters.

    • @chaosstorm8307
      @chaosstorm8307 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Well going by lore, the reason why is because Gaia asked them to leave the northern continent because it needed to heal and it wasn't able to stay abundant in life, that and it knew Jenova was on the planet and it needed to gather up the lifestream to create WEAPON. Jenova proceeds to infect and kill of a majority of the Cetra, so they put it to sleep and no one had returned until Aeris, followed by Cloud and co.
      But, seeing as the remake has no regard for lore, at this point anything's possible.

    • @alau5505
      @alau5505 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      maybe maybe.... i always thought Sample H0512 might have been an ancient or maybe a monster mixed with an ancient (Ifalna DNA) because in the remake you can steal a timeworn talisman from it and in the item description it says they were worn by anicents or summat like that and if you look at H0512 its got like a mutated humanish skull on its head area

    • @Pikachu-qr4yb
      @Pikachu-qr4yb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@alau5505 that's strange. I feel like the item description is too unique to not make your theory true, unless you can get it from other enemies

  • @jintym2951
    @jintym2951 4 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Rufus! A man so badass even Barrett has to admit to it. Also the character I was most terrified to see in Remake because of how dear he is to me but in his few introductory scenes I was very happy with how Square has portrayed him so far. Nuanced & subtle but with some seriously suave swag. Definitely enjoyed the gambler's thrill applied to him too. But more than anything the shrewd intelligence behind his baby blue's. Very much looking forward to this 😁 xx

  • @camarofan2008
    @camarofan2008 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Always wanted Rufus as a party member to be honest.

  • @KishinZephrite
    @KishinZephrite 4 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    I find it interesting that Hojo is unaware of Ifalna's fate in OG FF7 (Hojo at Costa Del Sol reveals this), while in FF7R, not only is he aware, but he taunts Aerith with this information. He could be playing dumb in OG FF7, but I'm doubtful. Just thought I'd add this because I haven't heard any speculation regarding this change.

  • @ultima7865
    @ultima7865 4 ปีที่แล้ว +83

    You keep saying that a future Sephiroth was the one who picks up another clone in Shinra’s office. That’s not what is happening. Both sephiroths are clones. The body they pick up is Jenova.

    • @FinalFantasyPeasant
      @FinalFantasyPeasant  4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I mean that doesn't really correlate. Something inhabiting a clone doesn't equal Jenova. Kadaj even inhabits a clone at some point. That very much could have been future Seph doing a timeline manipulation

    • @ultima7865
      @ultima7865 4 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      I mean you even see the Sephiroths transform from the clones. You even see him transform back into the clone when atop the tower. Secondly, look at the skin of the body they are carrying. It’s the same nasty skin shown Jenova having when you see her in that container where cloud freaks out on that bridge. This really isn’t open to interpretation.... it’s clear as day even if it’s subtle.

    • @CetraMystic
      @CetraMystic 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes i forget if its marco or the clone we meet with areith that became jenova dreamweaver but we kill that one and the other takes sephi appearance and escapes with jenovas body i mean when he jumps off the building he changes back to his normal form still holding jenova in his arms.......

    • @ripperhigh8001
      @ripperhigh8001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@FinalFantasyPeasant no dude read the ultimania for god sake before making hour long videos

    • @chrispybaconrules
      @chrispybaconrules 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@FinalFantasyPeasant There's 2 clones present in the building at the end because it shows both their tattoos - Marco (2) and the one from Sector 5 (49). 49 disappears and "dies" after being used by the Jenova specimen to fight you - it seems he is effectively Jenova Dreamweaver. Marco then escapes from the shinra building with Jenova's body. Sephiroth in the first instance we see him is 49, the second he is 2. I think in both instances this is "present" Sephiroth rather than future Sephiroth. The only doubt is that he seems to be able to see Whispers and slashes at them. This COULD be him cleaning his sword off though. There's no shot of him actually looking at the whispers. Present Sephiroth could also have been made aware of whispers. I think the only 2 questions we need to ask ourselves - do we fight Marco at the end or Future Sephiroth. I think the latter as Marco is the one moving Jenova in the world, the fated Sephiroth is AC Sephy. That suggests to me that Marco Sephy is NOT aware of the Whispers and the one shot is a fake out or he is unaware of the relevance of the fates at that point.

  • @sorsocksfake
    @sorsocksfake 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Rufus' age is the bigger issue here. If he's 30, by the standing timeline, he's too old to reasonably be a Jenova experiment. Other than that, it's entirely in line With Shinra Sr's mentality to do such an experiment to make a worthy heir.
    S+I=R would be narratively plausible, but lacks foreshadowing.
    Another way to look at it is narratively. Rufus is very much the fourth main character in FF7 (with Cloud, Sephiroth and Aerith). Between them, Seph and Aerith are the godlike beings (representing Cetra and Jenova) while Cloud and Rufus are the mortal proto-heroes.
    This would suggest that Rufus and Cloud have a similar relation as Aerith and Sephiroth. In some ways similar, in some ways polar opposites.
    This creates a plausible narrative that, like Cloud, Rufus was enhanced only later in life. It would be expected that the reason was the polar opposite: where Cloud was just a plaything for Hojo, Rufus was meant to be enhanced.
    It should be noted here that this gets severely messed up by Cloud "taking over" Zack's destiny. It's plausible that Rufus more resembles Zack, and Cloud's aspects are the contamination that unbalances the two of them.
    Anyway. If the mirroring does hold up and the writers considered these factors, the expectation then is that Rufus was injected with Ifalna or Aerith's cells, mirroring Zack/Cloud's treatment with Sephiroth's cells. Seeing as Shin-ra wanted to recreate an ancient, and they did this with Jenova, you would assume they'd try the same with an actual confirmed Ancient who they had plenty of access to.

  • @jirehresurreccion288
    @jirehresurreccion288 4 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I have a theory. Ever since Sephiroth touched Aerith at the beginning of the game before Cloud met her, Aerith might've inherited seeing the future or being aware of the events. Just like how Aerith transmitted that ability to Marlene.
    If this is true then Sephiroth is a genius. And it's terrifying. We might be playing right into his hands.

    • @peppercat1887
      @peppercat1887 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      I am surprised nobody talks about the massive elephant in the room
      Whispers are basically defending the outcome for the future, right?
      Has anyone thought of it like this?
      Instead of thinking fate is protected, it may be in severe harm all this time. If the Whispers relate to the planet, which essentially is a organism in itself, is Jenova the threat to fate?
      IMPLYING, does this alien lifeform as we know it have to abide by the laws of the planet and thus is bound to fate too, OR, is Jenova unchained and the Dreamweaver is giving Cloud those premonitions of the future?
      So instead of simply protecting the future, the whispers were trying to combat Jenova by doing all they can to keep the future as is, as Jenova is trying to fuck it over.

    • @ripperhigh8001
      @ripperhigh8001 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      this is actually possible because the developers say that you can see the Whispers when you come in contact with special people, we dont know if sephiroth touched aerith before we see her

    • @connorgray7688
      @connorgray7688 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I believe it was revealed explicitly in Advent Children or OG that Marlene’s bloodline is about as close to the Ancients as Aerith’s bloodline is. I do agree with Aerith having the ability to transmit special abilities in general tho

    • @justinbond9377
      @justinbond9377 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@connorgray7688 explicitly you say....where, when and how?

    • @bradkohl99
      @bradkohl99 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Your theory is completely off base. In the original, Sephiroth doesn’t appear in reality until about where the remake ends. Anything with his before that point are visions. In the remake, it is very much Sephiroth (the feathers are one big hint of him being real) and a more powerful version of Sephiroth that you don’t see until muuuuuuch later in the original.

  • @damonrojas83
    @damonrojas83 4 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    It's been 23 years, several installments and media... But damn does this game keep on giving.
    Even if this is all theory, whatever story is behind all and the world of FF7, there's enough lore and potential for a lifetime of events.
    This is just personal, but this kind of world building is what's perfect for things like an mmo or several expansions...
    I'll say, if they are expanding the story of FF7 this way, by exploring all corners and possibilities in the lore, i'm more than ok with the remake taking several parts; even if the next installments use the exact same engine and assets i would pay full price for just the development of the story and characters.
    To me looks like Square did a Capcom with this game and is back to being the narrative juggernaut it once was with it's storytelling and world-building.
    Final Fantasy VII remake, taking into accounts all events and theories and setups, really feels like an intro installment, or a pilot episode of sorts.

    • @yves_santa7
      @yves_santa7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I couldn't agree more though I feel like the remake is a continuation of the original story, I think this game takes place after the events of avident children and Sephiroth is the same one but went back and time to change the course as to why the wisps are here

  • @amberyonkman1085
    @amberyonkman1085 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    These are interesting ideas, but I feel like you skimmed 'The Kids are Alright' (and probably 'On the Way to a Smile') or just read the wiki because you've inferred some things from it that just are just not present in the story. Annette is not a failed clone. She one of President Shinra's many mistresses. The reason she was in the Crater was because she was FOLLOWING the robed figures, not because she WAS one. Kadaj 'using her body' was just Kadaj using Evan's memory to appear as her--the story makes it clear that at least Kadaj can see other people's memories by touching them and appear as anyone he sees in them.
    It's interesting to note that the Remnant's (Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz) are names taken from three people who perished in a fire that deeply traumatized Kyrie. When Kadaj appears to her, he takes on the guise of the person she remembers but he looks completely different to Evan. He doesn't realize the difference until later, but by then it's far too late.
    I think Rufus' bit in 'On the Way to a Smile' is the backbone of the book, along with Denzel's story. You pretty much nailed that. For what it's worth, I think Rufus can see the 'Whispers' simply because he's now deeply tied to the fate of the planet. The timing of him taking on the mantle of President adds more credence to this. An interesting study, in any case. (I really hope Evan makes it into the remake somehow).

  • @treelo11
    @treelo11 4 ปีที่แล้ว +76

    Sephiroth was aged up too. He's physically 25 but mentally 30 years old in the Ultimania which means he is the same age as Rufus.

    • @6Kubik
      @6Kubik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, he is still 25. 30 only implies he is more mature.

    • @Matcha_Lily
      @Matcha_Lily 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Being mentally 30 doesn't effect someone's actual age it normally means they've just experienced alot at an early age or had to take on responsibilities someone at a younger age shouldn't have. Which in Sephiroth's case we know he was a part of soldier at a young age which explains having a more mature mentality.

    • @treelo11
      @treelo11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@Matcha_Lily no it means his actual age is 30 but his body is 25 because he spent 5 years in the lifestream

  • @madrazz8888
    @madrazz8888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I'm not jumping too soon on the whole genetics thing, but one thing is true: Rufus now plays an important part in the rest of the story. The Whispers flock around the Shinra building like crazy right after he becomes president, the same moment he starts seeing them and deep down becomes aware of the change in fate. 2 things you said convinced me: 1) the fact the whispers were there the whole time but he only sees them AFTER he takes control of Shinra and 2) Tseng doesn't see them and he's had countless contact with Aerith. I can't wait to see what new actions and scenarios we'll get for Rufus. I mean, the rest of the game is almost a blank page and Sephiroth is the writer.

  • @Athlynne
    @Athlynne 4 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    The VII story is like a vine that keep growing in a million directions. I don't know how the VII team keeps it all straight.

    • @yves_santa7
      @yves_santa7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Must be why the games take so long to make, they put so much detail and story into literally every little thing and character

  • @DVRKSTXR
    @DVRKSTXR 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Kind of unrelated, but not really, I just gotta say...THE LEVEL OF DRIP THAT SQUARE ENIX HAS GIVEN RUFUS SHINRA IN THE REMAKE IS PURE JUSTICE!!! 💯

  • @telliusbian
    @telliusbian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I watched this the other day and got to the Underground Lab on my replay directly after. And I noticed the Failed Experiment Boss had a move similar to Rufus's. In the second phase, it has a move called Voltanic Action where it has Unknown Entities (smaller ones) cast Thundaga on it so it can either absorb it or redirect it at your party. Rufus has this exact same move in his boss fight where Darkstar will cast Thundaga on Rufus and he'll redirect it with Thunderclap. As far as I know off the top of my head, these are the ONLY types of enemies to attack like this. And its Thundaga both times. Coincidence..? Or maybe not....?

  • @Pikachu-qr4yb
    @Pikachu-qr4yb 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    There as a theory that Rufus is Aerith's brother. It kinda fits in time wise. Ifalna was at Shinra HQ by the time Rufus was born. Who's to say Pres Shinra didn't want to get a slice of an exotic beauty like Ifalna while she was captured and experimented on by Hojo and secured himself a heir that's of Cetra blood (similar to how Vincent could be Sephiroth biological dad)

  • @crookedspoon2582
    @crookedspoon2582 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Kudos for this video. One thing that struck me as odd, and that made me wonder if Rufus had some sort experimentation with Jenova cells and mako infusions happening, is his strength. He takes on Cloud mano a mano and he just breaks a sweat. In Crisis Core, Zack mentions how normal people are no match for him, a SOLDIER, iirc. And ven if Cloud was never officially a SOLDIER, he's strong enough that no one questions that fact. So, why then would Rufus be a match for Cloud if we assume he's just a regular human?

  • @Edge1588
    @Edge1588 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The battle with Rufus shows a literal mind connection with him and Darkstar. I think that this is a way of linking the connection that Aeris made with RedXIII.
    (A cetra connecting with an animal)
    So I would be surprised if they didn't make him a cetra.
    But I'd settle for the brother theory.
    Because correct me if I'm wrong, but we don't know who Clouds father is do we?

  • @jintym2951
    @jintym2951 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I love the cut between Rufus Rufus looking out at the cyclone of Whispers and Cloud on the highway looking up. Really cemented these 2 as mirrors for each other.
    What year was Jenova installed in the Nibelheim reactor? Might not President Shinra have personally stopped by to observe? Possibly observed a pretty blonde girl named Claudia? We still don't know Cloud's father after all...
    What a great video Pez 🤟 xx

  • @silver_valentine
    @silver_valentine 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    31:48 this is an interesting change. In the original game he asks Aerith how was Ifalna when sunbathing in Costa del Sol and is surprised to know she died.
    H:"Your mother? Oh, you mean Ifalna. How is she?"
    A:"You didn't know? She died."
    H:"......I see."
    I guess the Remake version makes more sense for Hojo's twisted character. I'm just curious how far Square will push this.

  • @chrispybaconrules
    @chrispybaconrules 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The more I think on it, the more I'm convinced the fact Rufus had geostigma means he must have some form of Jenova Cells in him in some way. There's no other explanation of why he had geostigma when literally NOBODY else bar Cloud from the OG game gets it. If he does have some form of cells in him, that goes a long way to explain many of the discrepancies. He may not have been showered with Jenova Cells or injected with them at birth, but it seems almost certain he has them in some way inside him.

    • @potatoking4227
      @potatoking4227 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      shera actually got geostigma.

    • @TuberoseKisser
      @TuberoseKisser 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Rufus got geostigma after infected water got into his body, no one else got into anything that was infected which is why they didn't get it, now if you said "No one who was in the infected waters got it besides Rufus" that would have made sense but iirc a couple of the others who were with him did get it.

    • @Thirteen13551355
      @Thirteen13551355 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The entire plot of Advent Children was that Geostigma was a huge deal many people were dealing with lol.

  • @NeoXristian
    @NeoXristian 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Pretty sure that when Rufus becomes VP and goes on a “disclosed business trip” was actually him being put under house arrest at the Turk HQ.

  • @Keehful
    @Keehful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The Whispers sight seems to work with touch. Aerith touched Cloud when they first met and the camera focused precisely on this action. Later Barret pushed Cloud at the bar, Jessie hugged Cloud, Biggs touched Cloud's shoulder at Sector 7 upper city and Wedge was carried by Cloud and Biggs after the mission on the warehouse. One could argue that Rufus came in contact with Cloud in their Battle (since Rufus has an unavoidable counter), but we can only consider canon the cutscenes. Something really weird is going on with Rufus.

    • @justinbond9377
      @justinbond9377 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Why do people not understand that cloud has had contact with a lot more people than that. It's not as simple as 'cloud touched him, now he can see it too"

    • @Keehful
      @Keehful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@justinbond9377 Sometimes devil's on the details. When it comes to silent storytelling (show, don't tell) everything has to have a purpose, otherwise it should just be removed. The importance of the touch is something the game gave to us, so we have to work with that, at least for now.

  • @darrenwest9091
    @darrenwest9091 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That scene in the honey bee inn with President Shinra in cosplay marking out for Sephiroth is a smoking gun that never got a follow up in the original game. It wouldn't shock me if Rufus was experimented on as a child.

  • @TheMrLvost
    @TheMrLvost 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Uh, i'm sure Rufus has the stigma (Jenova Cells). This is obvious in FF7 Advent children.

    • @ZeldaLover6
      @ZeldaLover6 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Isn’t giostigma, what Rufus had in AC, caused by people coming in contact with the tainted lifestream during Metorfall? That’s what I remember being said anyways.

    • @6Kubik
      @6Kubik 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZeldaLover6 When AC came out, it was said, that kids get the stigma but also sickly adult (or was it mentally weak adults?). So the stigma is just an illness anyone can get but people with a weak immune system actually suffer from it.

    • @adamglen283
      @adamglen283 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Geo stigma was a by-product from the bodys immune system fighting sephiroths conscious/Jenovah cells, it wasn't the s cells that gave them Geo stigma but the body rejecting those cells/ will of sephiroth, it's explained better in the directors cut. you could compare it to aids. the patient sweats sticky mucus rather than salt water which is where I think they gotten the concept from

  • @drauncj
    @drauncj 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I worry that I might be the only person that's read The Kids Are Alright. This is the third theory video on TH-cam from a prominent FFVII coverage channel that I have to correct. Evan works WITH Kyrie and Leslie. He's completely subordinate, holds no sway over the rest of his cohorts, and is viewed as an outcast even in their small numbers.

  • @ericswanson411
    @ericswanson411 4 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Here is another one Rufus could have played with Aerith when they were kids and ended up being able to see the whispers since then? If not just a childhood friend of Aerith, could he be a child of the whispers/human hybrid?

    • @justinbond9377
      @justinbond9377 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That would be interesting if this video didn't already point out that Rufus didn't notice the Whispers until after his fight with Cloud

    • @blacksheep9834
      @blacksheep9834 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I actually think these would be the most resonable explanation just like how aerith had given the same abilities to marlene but knowing tetsuya he probably will over complicate this.

    • @solivagantastra8886
      @solivagantastra8886 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Im gonna take that headcanon in my fanfic universe 🤩... Sephiroth, Aerith and Rufus as chilhood friends and all they want to do is protect Aerith because they want to save Gaia in their own ways .

  • @Phantomyre
    @Phantomyre 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I think Rufus is part Cetra. We know little of his mother and with all of the small detailed official information, I'd say this is the most believable theory. I don't think Cloud and Rufus are related, however; we'd have to look up the birthdate of Cloud's mom.