This is the closest we have so far: th-cam.com/video/yCOcSX0Vwug/w-d-xo.html The only problem with Aus is we don't have their ships so I have to do a lot of bodging.
Afternoon. 48082 Michigan here. I served on a Perry, USS Flatley FFG-21. The 76mm gun was tied into the radar and used effectively as an anti air weapon. Thanks for the entertaining videos.
In the 70s the us group could have included the Missouri actually even up to the 90s…. I wouldn’t mind seeing it and some modern destroyers vs some of the fleets where you are struggling with the Yamato…
Best of my knowledge it was kindof an “either or” type situation, they wouldn’t operate together in the same formation. A battleship might get air support from the carrier but typically it would be significantly closer to the shore where no carrier would want to sit.
@@lightbenderga2017 yeah but they have run several fleet scenarios modern surface ships versus historic fleets where the modern fleet does great right up until they hit gun range of the Yamato. I remember 4 modern frigates vs the midway fleet I think. Their lighter guns were ineffective against the battleship as was the missiles on the helicopters…just thinking that would be a cool mission with a modernized battleship thrown in the mix. For some reason it never occurred to me that we were still running battleships that late in the game despite the fact that I knew we actually were.
@@lightbenderga2017there were at least a few times where carriers operated in the same task force as the reactivated Iowas. There are some pictures from the late 80s of Missouri with Ranger and Iowa with Midway.
@@lightbenderga2017the scenario is a time travelling Navy, we’re kind of past what’s historically accurate. Safe to assume they’d tailor the force package for the job which, would bear zero resemblance to anything they normally organized for.
You say you can't reach new people, I'm a relative noob. I thought watching people playing a flight sim would be a bit naff, but I got hooked. Oddly compelling, now I'm excited for new ones, keep hope alive and keep it up.
I think there's a "The Final Countdown" (1980) movie nod here. There are some great interviews with the Tomcat pilots who were involved with the production in 1979 going around now (Mover, Ward Carroll etc.)
Love the movie setup of "The Final Countdown". Good first movie for the F-14. My favorite scene is the two angry Tomcats flying over the blown up pleasure boat. Iconic!
Absolutely brilliant!! This makes me think of the old famous military philosophy that all plans are only good until first contact. After that it's initiative and critical thinking, and guts under pressure. This was a perfect example of improvise, adapt, and overcome. Everything was going wrong from first contact, and you all rolled with the punches and found a way to get the initiative back!! Damn fine flying as always Grim Reapers!!
8:15 According to a self proclaimed flight officer on Quora, yes Cap, multiple launches can take place at the same time. It would be done basically JUST like shown by the AI. He says "doublehooking" (shooting the cat's right next to each other) became frowned upon, and even when it did happen, it was one right after the other, and not at the same time.
So you did it... again. You revisited the "Final Countdown" scenario again, but made it as much like the great "What if...?" scene of the movie as realistically possible. Bravo.😊
I think we should do this scenario again, but with a 1970’s Missouri taking the place of the carrier. Would be interesting to see how the “battle group” held out. Or just adding the 70’s Missouri to the 70’s carrier group(after all, historically, it could have easily been placed in the group).
Was in the U.S. Navy for six years and was aboard both the George Washington and George H. W. Bush. Carriers do launch 2 aircraft simultaneously if necessary. They break immediately off to the either side to minimize any chance of collision. I will say they prefer to stagger the launches though.
Cap yes the Nimitz class can simultaneously launch cat 1&3 then 2&4 but there is an interlock between 1&2, 3&4 so they can’t launch simultaneously. Most operations have delay between 1&3, 2&4
Entertaining video! On your comment about "not reaching new people", let's hope that Heatblurs F-14 Tomcat for MSFS will bring new blood to DCS. I can imagine after flying that in MSFS, I'd want to use it in combat... and a Google search will stumble upon the Grim Reapers videos pretty quickly.
I love watching this channel. So knowledgeable and entertaining. Plus, I get to see my hometown (Guam) become a battleground in the skies lol. It so crazy seeing this with the island in the backdrop lol. Good stuff boyz. Keep it up!
Amusing tidbit: back in the late 90s, I turned off the Internet to Guam... more than once. Admittedly it was mostly because they were switching ISPs and kept getting delayed but not telling us to hold off on the turn-down, so it came right back on as soon as they called, and of course it didn't impact the DOD network at all, but still a mildly amusing thing to be able to say.
Usually they will fire 2 Catapults but only as long as it is C 1&3 or 2&4 or 1&4. They won't use 2 Catapults directly next to each other. I would assume Simba would know the Best...
I wonder how much of a difference it would make if the technology differences weren't so great. Say a 1941 IJN carrier versus a 1951 US carrier of the Korean War. Does ten years of technological innovation result in greatly disparate results?
@@hphp31416 Understood, but I'm more interested in how much disparity will actually be reflected in the results showing ten years difference rather than thirty years.
I think the best way to get new viewers is to copy things that are happening in the news currently. That’s how you got me. I didn’t even know what DCS was.
@@grimreapers he is correct, this is how i found your channel, when i was watching the war in Ukraine. Although the videos like this are interesting as well, so i would say historical battles/current events and what if situations
As a sailor on the USS Theodore Roosevelt for 4 years I have never seen simultaneous catapult launches in peace time. They would launch, say, cat 1 then wait until the jet was clear and fully airborne then launch from 3, then repeat and launch 2 then 4. Something like that. However, it's more than capable of launching all four at the same time. Each catapult has it's own steam generator, charge tanks and machinery for redundancy. If cat 2 gets battle damage or just breaks, the other three can continue on like normal. But in war time, especially if an inbound raid was immanent, then the safety rules get bent or broken. We would do whatever we had to do to clear decks. Like if a jet got damaged and was clogging up the works, we would just shove it over board and get on with it. Same with ordinance. If there was a live bomb or missile, there's a chute next to the bomb farm between the island and the deck edge just for that purpose. If in doubt, get rid of it. A $30,000 Mk 84 is not worth much compared to what it could take out. Sorry, I will stop rambling. Once I get started on naval tactics, I am hard to shut up...
Did the Perry's bug out, or did they stop launching SAMs when friendlies merged with the zeros? They only fired 21 SM-2s when each one would have carried at least that many.
The question at 8:15 about launching multiple jets simultaneously? No. They wait a few seconds. But they can launch 4 within 10 seconds if everything goes smoothly
I can not understand why we are having so many issues with gun combat between jets and props when the ME-262 pilots used the dive and climb attacks against allied pilots with good effect over Europe.
I would be interested to know how the Sparrow's seeker is modeled in DCS. IRL, it was a semi-active homing model, or a beam rider. Meaning, you would lock your radar on to a target in single-target-track mode and the missle would home in on the radar reflections off of the target. This was one of the reasons the early Sparrows had such a bad reputation. If the target could jink hard enough and fast enough, it could get out of the FoV of the tracking radar, and the missle would go cold. However, if the target did not jink, the Sparrow could be devastating.
Well the Phoenix did surprsingly well against the warbirds, I guess it's because they are so slow, a big missile at 250 knot is still faster than zeros.
Why are the F-14’s keeping their wings retracted in high speed configuration? So far I’ve only seen a couple with their wings set in the wide slow speed configuration
Do you think it might be interesting to fight 4v4, 1each fixed wing, rotor, ground unit, surface ship. Each team can have a single unit per era/gen so you need to choose. Last team standing gets the win. Do you bring an F35 and Yamato, or F15 and the newest missile cruiser? Not real science, but it sounds fun.
With all of the various Pearl Harbor scenarios that you have done, I wonder what it would be like to only modernize the American defense with the addition of sea wiz guns for better defense of the harbor/ships. And, maybe have the Americans reevaluate the early reports to realize what is about to happen with just enough time to allow better ship defenses and get some planes into the air. But, nothing enough to have even numbers or mount an attack on the imperial fleet. So, keep the numbers in favor of the Japanese but give the Americans more time to defend plus the addition of very accurate modern sea wiz. No modern missiles or jets to defend or go on the offense. How big of a difference would that make? Then, if successful, set the ships out to hunt down the imperial fleet. If I understand it correctly, the Lexington and Enterprise were on their way back from (midway?) so they and whatever support ships may have been able to provide aerial surveillance/support as the Japanese try to retreat.
Modern naval doctrine is based on the long range missile attack. Everything built around it is just supportive. GR: Lets try WWII vs Modern navies but take away long range missiles to make it interesting.
my question should be the US destroyers and frigates should provide alot of anti air support shooting down japanese fighters and has a ton of anti air missles. Also those US support ships will have anti ship missles as well.
Yra this definitely seemed a bit too easy for the blue guys. Even with the Tomcats bugged it wasn't even close. 1 modern destroyer would have taken out half those zeros. I would suggest no escort ships for the same mission
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Hey Cap, I would be very interested to see a battle between the modern Australian Navy and Air Force vs maybe the Chinese Navy, hope you consider this
Pray the Chinese don't employ emus.
pretty sure he did that already.
This is the closest we have so far: th-cam.com/video/yCOcSX0Vwug/w-d-xo.html
The only problem with Aus is we don't have their ships so I have to do a lot of bodging.
Yeah, they've done it with a Chinese attack on Darwin from memory
And some damn RCAF ships
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Afternoon. 48082 Michigan here. I served on a Perry, USS Flatley FFG-21. The 76mm gun was tied into the radar and used effectively as an anti air weapon. Thanks for the entertaining videos.
Thanks. Wish I could get that work in the sim.
In the 70s the us group could have included the Missouri actually even up to the 90s…. I wouldn’t mind seeing it and some modern destroyers vs some of the fleets where you are struggling with the Yamato…
Or even the 80’s config of the USS New Jersey
Best of my knowledge it was kindof an “either or” type situation, they wouldn’t operate together in the same formation. A battleship might get air support from the carrier but typically it would be significantly closer to the shore where no carrier would want to sit.
@@lightbenderga2017 yeah but they have run several fleet scenarios modern surface ships versus historic fleets where the modern fleet does great right up until they hit gun range of the Yamato. I remember 4 modern frigates vs the midway fleet I think. Their lighter guns were ineffective against the battleship as was the missiles on the helicopters…just thinking that would be a cool mission with a modernized battleship thrown in the mix. For some reason it never occurred to me that we were still running battleships that late in the game despite the fact that I knew we actually were.
@@lightbenderga2017there were at least a few times where carriers operated in the same task force as the reactivated Iowas. There are some pictures from the late 80s of Missouri with Ranger and Iowa with Midway.
@@lightbenderga2017the scenario is a time travelling Navy, we’re kind of past what’s historically accurate. Safe to assume they’d tailor the force package for the job which, would bear zero resemblance to anything they normally organized for.
You say you can't reach new people, I'm a relative noob. I thought watching people playing a flight sim would be a bit naff, but I got hooked. Oddly compelling, now I'm excited for new ones, keep hope alive and keep it up.
You should check out the Reapers back catalogue. There are plenty awesome battles; some 'edge of seat' stuff !
Some of my favorites are the Star Wars episodes, especially the Christmas special from last year. Epic stuff!
I think there's a "The Final Countdown" (1980) movie nod here. There are some great interviews with the Tomcat pilots who were involved with the production in 1979 going around now (Mover, Ward Carroll etc.)
Just insane that 30 years separates a zero and an Tomcat.
And 50 separates a Tomcat and today😅
It's only 66 years from the Wright Brothers first flight and the Moon Landing.
Love the movie setup of "The Final Countdown". Good first movie for the F-14. My favorite scene is the two angry Tomcats flying over the blown up pleasure boat. Iconic!
I was watching this battle on my phone and turned on my radio and Kenny Loggins' Danger Zone was playing. I laughed like an idiot for a minute.
Absolutely brilliant!! This makes me think of the old famous military philosophy that all plans are only good until first contact. After that it's initiative and critical thinking, and guts under pressure. This was a perfect example of improvise, adapt, and overcome. Everything was going wrong from first contact, and you all rolled with the punches and found a way to get the initiative back!! Damn fine flying as always Grim Reapers!!
8:15
According to a self proclaimed flight officer on Quora, yes Cap, multiple launches can take place at the same time. It would be done basically JUST like shown by the AI. He says "doublehooking" (shooting the cat's right next to each other) became frowned upon, and even when it did happen, it was one right after the other, and not at the same time.
‘Why the 1970s? Because tomcats are cool’
Best intro ever
So you did it... again. You revisited the "Final Countdown" scenario again, but made it as much like the great "What if...?" scene of the movie as realistically possible.
Bravo.😊
I laughed waaaaayyyy to hard at Simba's first tomcat lagged out in the ocean with it's wings swept back.
Thank you for the video!
Would enjoy seeing this again once the F-14 crash has been sorted out. :)
Was fun.
I think we should do this scenario again, but with a 1970’s Missouri taking the place of the carrier. Would be interesting to see how the “battle group” held out.
Or just adding the 70’s Missouri to the 70’s carrier group(after all, historically, it could have easily been placed in the group).
This is just about the Final Countdown in every detail 👍🙂
The Tomcats should have VF-84 Skins on ☹
The Final Countdown!
Dramatic old style movie trailer voice:
"This time... There's NO turning back!"
The movie that is, not the wretched song.
Was in the U.S. Navy for six years and was aboard both the George Washington and George H. W. Bush. Carriers do launch 2 aircraft simultaneously if necessary. They break immediately off to the either side to minimize any chance of collision. I will say they prefer to stagger the launches though.
Recreation of the movie "The Final Countdown". Though, I do not recall if the Nimitz's escorts went through the time warp with her.
They didn't. Great movie.
@@ryanbarrows2592 yes it is. So, maybe GR can run that sim.
Classic Matrix, ‘I wouldn’t call 1500 feet low’. Nope, take the double zero off and Matrix would be in more familiar heights 😂
The 'modern' carrier is actually much closer in time to the 1940s than today. This doesn't make me feel old at alllll
Yeh that's scary...
1970-1940 is 30 years. So a difference like 1990 carrier group vs 2020 one 😮
Enjoy watching these very much Cap. It's been awhile since Ive heard Sock on, Ive noticed he does very well with the chopper's.
Well done all.
Cap yes the Nimitz class can simultaneously launch cat 1&3 then 2&4 but there is an interlock between 1&2, 3&4 so they can’t launch simultaneously. Most operations have delay between 1&3, 2&4
thx
Entertaining video! On your comment about "not reaching new people", let's hope that Heatblurs F-14 Tomcat for MSFS will bring new blood to DCS. I can imagine after flying that in MSFS, I'd want to use it in combat... and a Google search will stumble upon the Grim Reapers videos pretty quickly.
I love watching this channel. So knowledgeable and entertaining. Plus, I get to see my hometown (Guam) become a battleground in the skies lol. It so crazy seeing this with the island in the backdrop lol. Good stuff boyz. Keep it up!
Amusing tidbit: back in the late 90s, I turned off the Internet to Guam... more than once. Admittedly it was mostly because they were switching ISPs and kept getting delayed but not telling us to hold off on the turn-down, so it came right back on as soon as they called, and of course it didn't impact the DOD network at all, but still a mildly amusing thing to be able to say.
Usually they will fire 2 Catapults but only as long as it is C 1&3 or 2&4 or 1&4. They won't use 2 Catapults directly next to each other. I would assume Simba would know the Best...
I wonder how much of a difference it would make if the technology differences weren't so great. Say a 1941 IJN carrier versus a 1951 US carrier of the Korean War. Does ten years of technological innovation result in greatly disparate results?
1945 US carrier fleet was already much stronger than 1945 Japanese technology
@@hphp31416 Understood, but I'm more interested in how much disparity will actually be reflected in the results showing ten years difference rather than thirty years.
Wonder what would happen if you flew a tomcat supersonic PAST a WWII plane? Would the sonic boom take it down?
Nice to see Sock back in another video. He seems to have been mostly absent for a while.
I think the best way to get new viewers is to copy things that are happening in the news currently. That’s how you got me. I didn’t even know what DCS was.
Interesting...
@@grimreapers he is correct, this is how i found your channel, when i was watching the war in Ukraine. Although the videos like this are interesting as well, so i would say historical battles/current events and what if situations
You know, they should make a movie about this... ...should call it the Utimate Downcount. ...or something
The Last TickUp 🤔 😂
It'll never catch on...
2 seconds to midnight😅
You boys really missing them SM 6 and ESSMS.....i still love this mission...you dont see too much of the 1970s CSGs.....nice job.👉🏻👉🏻
As a sailor on the USS Theodore Roosevelt for 4 years I have never seen simultaneous catapult launches in peace time. They would launch, say, cat 1 then wait until the jet was clear and fully airborne then launch from 3, then repeat and launch 2 then 4. Something like that. However, it's more than capable of launching all four at the same time. Each catapult has it's own steam generator, charge tanks and machinery for redundancy. If cat 2 gets battle damage or just breaks, the other three can continue on like normal. But in war time, especially if an inbound raid was immanent, then the safety rules get bent or broken. We would do whatever we had to do to clear decks. Like if a jet got damaged and was clogging up the works, we would just shove it over board and get on with it. Same with ordinance. If there was a live bomb or missile, there's a chute next to the bomb farm between the island and the deck edge just for that purpose. If in doubt, get rid of it. A $30,000 Mk 84 is not worth much compared to what it could take out. Sorry, I will stop rambling. Once I get started on naval tactics, I am hard to shut up...
So this is the Final Countdown scenario pretty much.
20:45 and some 100m+$ worth of missiles on the ships :)
Also i love the Matrix attitude with "target rich environment".
I'm going to keep asking for it but a Royal Navy vs Royal Navy carrier group would be a great video. Either a 80s vs 2000s or 2000s vs 2020s.
Did the Perry's bug out, or did they stop launching SAMs when friendlies merged with the zeros? They only fired 21 SM-2s when each one would have carried at least that many.
The question at 8:15 about launching multiple jets simultaneously? No. They wait a few seconds. But they can launch 4 within 10 seconds if everything goes smoothly
Grim Reapers hardest working DCS crew period.
Nice, something to watch
Fr these r so entertainingg
the apache on the carrier is part of my old unit in Germany. 12th CAB
This reminds me of that one movie. With the time portal and the f-14’s and zeros and what not
Came for the Falklands, stayed for the imperial star destroyers.
I don't know if you can, but I would like to see a battle between the Me-262 and the F-86 Sabre.
They're currently isn't a me-262 in DCS as far as I know
The Sock has appeared! Yes! - Damp Sock fan club president.
There may have been glitches but that was a fun video to watch.
I can not understand why we are having so many issues with gun combat between jets and props when the ME-262 pilots used the dive and climb attacks against allied pilots with good effect over Europe.
Great camera work!
Nice to see Sock back!
I would be interested to know how the Sparrow's seeker is modeled in DCS. IRL, it was a semi-active homing model, or a beam rider. Meaning, you would lock your radar on to a target in single-target-track mode and the missle would home in on the radar reflections off of the target. This was one of the reasons the early Sparrows had such a bad reputation. If the target could jink hard enough and fast enough, it could get out of the FoV of the tracking radar, and the missle would go cold. However, if the target did not jink, the Sparrow could be devastating.
Cap any chance of a Christmas ARMA 3 mission with the boys?
I think it would be a great fight of a bunch of Cobras or Apaches vs Zeros & Kates.
It would be interesting if you used A-10 warthogs instead of tomcats and A-4s, they can dogfight and their guns can fire incendiary bullets
Yes. I enjoyed that a ton.
Sock! I got a fever, and the only prescription is more Damp Sock!
Im here becuase a bunch of people mentioned your channel in a youtube shorts chat
Each Phoenix missle needs its own oil cooler attached to the jet, very power hungry and they weigh a bit too.
MERICA!!!! LIKE SIMBA SAID!!!
It does appear so yes.
I'm new. found you on you tube. love it!
It’s the final countdown
Tomcats cap were beautiful
Where have I seen this before, hmm……
Something about a countdown...
Yeah, i'm going to have watch The Final Countdown again.
It was a good movie. I wish they would have let the battle happen. That's why I'm gonna watch this
Well the Phoenix did surprsingly well against the warbirds, I guess it's because they are so slow, a big missile at 250 knot is still faster than zeros.
I love how the missiles are more expensive than the planes that keep getting wiped lol
Why are the F-14’s keeping their wings retracted in high speed configuration? So far I’ve only seen a couple with their wings set in the wide slow speed configuration
Just found the channel. Need some A10s mixed in for sme great gun fighting.
The movie "The Final Countdown" came out in 1980.
Do you think it might be interesting to fight 4v4, 1each fixed wing, rotor, ground unit, surface ship. Each team can have a single unit per era/gen so you need to choose. Last team standing gets the win. Do you bring an F35 and Yamato, or F15 and the newest missile cruiser? Not real science, but it sounds fun.
What's the over/under that Cap thought he typed 10,000ft and actually missed a 0 for 1,000ft for the Japanese?
This is like if "The Final Countdown" was allowed to play out.
Aren't the OHP's 76mm working in DCS? They are an awesome AA system.
In the sim they only fire at surface targets, not sure why.
@@grimreapers Shame.
So it is the movie "The Final Count Down" When the Nimitz goes back in time to Pearl Harbour.
If I was the US Carrier Task Force commander, I would only fight at night..
Virtual medal of honor for the helicopter defense.
With all of the various Pearl Harbor scenarios that you have done, I wonder what it would be like to only modernize the American defense with the addition of sea wiz guns for better defense of the harbor/ships. And, maybe have the Americans reevaluate the early reports to realize what is about to happen with just enough time to allow better ship defenses and get some planes into the air. But, nothing enough to have even numbers or mount an attack on the imperial fleet.
So, keep the numbers in favor of the Japanese but give the Americans more time to defend plus the addition of very accurate modern sea wiz. No modern missiles or jets to defend or go on the offense. How big of a difference would that make?
Then, if successful, set the ships out to hunt down the imperial fleet. If I understand it correctly, the Lexington and Enterprise were on their way back from (midway?) so they and whatever support ships may have been able to provide aerial surveillance/support as the Japanese try to retreat.
I'm guessing the A-7 Corsair isn't available? The Corsair would have been perfect for attacking the carriers with while the Tomcat covered them.
One extra IJN carrier and the carrier tonnage on each side would have equal-ish. Just an observation not a dig.
The super heavy carrier is not a joke
Good point.
You should have gotten Kirk Douglas and Martin Sheen on for this episode. Not many will get this reference.
imagine being in a Zero like i'm a bad mofo then a Tomcat flies by
The mention of the Mig-21 made me think. Could you run this scenario but with USSR planes and ships from the 80s/early 90s?
Have you done - or are you able to do - 1945 Midway Class vs the Kido Butai?
Parshall seems to think it would be walkover.
'Because Tomcats are cool' LOL true true true
As long as the Jets have guns...
Modern naval doctrine is based on the long range missile attack. Everything built around it is just supportive.
GR: Lets try WWII vs Modern navies but take away long range missiles to make it interesting.
This is EXACTLY like the 1970s movie “Final Countdown”.
my question should be the US destroyers and frigates should provide alot of anti air support shooting down japanese fighters and has a ton of anti air missles. Also those US support ships will have anti ship missles as well.
Good first movie for the F-14
to be clear it the A-4 Pilots were using thier Aircraft correctly they would be using Boom and Zoom Tactics. Climb dive straff Climb out.
I think boom and zoom would be the best tactic against war birds
Yra this definitely seemed a bit too easy for the blue guys. Even with the Tomcats bugged it wasn't even close. 1 modern destroyer would have taken out half those zeros.
I would suggest no escort ships for the same mission
🎶It's the final countdown
We're leaving together, oh🎶
🎶but still it's farewell🎶
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Fun! Quirky, but fun
Cue: opening credits to the 1980's movie The Final Countdown...😜
doing the movie “the final countdown”
Nothing like A Gd KOFFEE!!! JS! LOL ;)
Hi Ello!
"Stop exploding, you cowards!" -Zapp Brannigan
lol
Wise words from a wise man. Now Kif, ready an escape pod.
99 Zeke's went Kaboom!
"why 1970's, because Tomcats are cool..." Hell yes they are...
Hey cap. I’d like to see a battle. Between the F-35 and the MIG-31