Could An F-15EX Squadron Defend Guam From Two Russian Tu-95 Bomber Regiments (WarGames 194) | DCS
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For today's wargames we pit 22 Tu-95MSM Bears with 176 Kh-101 cruise missiles against Guam. Guam will be defended by a US F-15EX Super Eagle squadron carrying 224 AIM-260 JATM missiles.
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On point 4 of the viewer complaints, I fully expect that a multi-regiment bomber raid launching from Russia will be identified (subs/satellites/whatever) before it even leaves its own airspace so having defenders airborne is realistic, even if it's just a CAP over Guam rather than having assets out actively looking for them approaching
Yup absolutely.
Yeah, I think a CAP or enhanced CAP should be standard for the battles like this. But it’s all fun, thanks for the entertainment!
@@mavrikmavrik3032you mean a SUPER CAP
How come bomber not protected
@@ForestBlue7they would have known all those bombers approaching from Russia
I have had countless encounters with Bears in the Pacific. They were NEVER escorted.
…that you know of. You can never be certain about things you don’t see. They certainly wouldn’t stick them out right next to their Bears for everyone to see.
They would show up on radar if they were nearby @@w3vjp568
@@w3vjp568Russia has no stealth aircraft. If they were escorted the fighters escorting them would be detected along with the bears. Duh
@@w3vjp568 as mentioned, there has never been a fighter in history that could perform that mission. We don’t escort our bombers, they don’t escort theirs. It just can’t be done.
@@w3vjp568they would have shown up on radar.
Guam generally has three Arleigh-Burke destroyers tasked with missile defense. In future they will be replaced with AEGIS ashore, which will free those ships for other duties. I think any defense of Guam should always have those ships present. Maybe CH can create an AEGIS ashore system?
This. There aren’t enough sams in this simulation as programmed by cap. Assuming a standard loadout there would be nearly 300 if not over 300 Sam’s on the Burkes alone which is more than ample
you're right but I imagine the sim's getting complicated to set up. You'd also have the bombers coming in at different vectors instead of flying in WW2 style.
Roger, but in this case they weren't needed anyways.
Yeah, in the very near future, Guam is going to become one of the most heavily defended places in the world. It's already got several THAAD sites, it's getting Aegis Ashore with a SPY-6 equivalent radar and SM-2/SM-3/SM-6 missiles, it will have multiple Patriot sites, multiple NASAMs/US equivalent sites, and multiple C-RAM sites, plus one or two other types of air-defense sites that I'm forgetting right now. In total there will be like 20+ air defense sites around the island, creating a multi-layered, interlocking air defense network, presumably all tied into the Aegis combat system. It's reportedly going to be capable of defending against nearly any conceivable threat.
The People’s Champ on form again!! Beautiful shot Simba on that first Hail Mary Bear you downed!! I feel like viewington’s regularly recognize Simba’s flight skills, but don’t often recognize his ability to get the most out of any aircraft or weapons system. He’s consistently the guy with the best fuel conservation, and also consistently putting his aircraft in the best position to get the most out his weapons. People’s Champ indeed!! Great flying as always Grim Reapers!!
Thank you for the kind words. in the back ground I am supported by a larger cast. the Grim Reapers Competition team is regularly pushing the limits looking for any edge in a BVR fight. Those guys spend lots of hours doing it too and when I get to fly with them they make me a better pilot for these videos.
I would argue that 2 regiments of Bear bombers would be immediately detected and tracked, given US, Japanese and Korean surveillance capabilities. Also, US satellite surveillance would have detected the Bears being amassed long before they even took off and would have been tracked once they did take off. Given that they took such a route that took them east of Guam, they would have been given such a high threat priority (fear of actually attacking Pearl Harbor) that F-22's would have been tracking them visually as soon as possible. Note: a pair of F-14's intercepted a Bear 1200 miles before it could locate a carrier naval group and a pair of F-22's intercepted a Bear and took pictures without the Bear even knowing they were there. So, i will argue that you are grossly underestimating the capabilities of the American military's ability to detect and deal with a 50+ year old bomber. This simulation, while fun, does a disservice to the capabilities of the American military, especially since Russia can't even handle Ukraine. Just saying.
My thing is would we really not catch that many loaded bombers taking off like that?
We would catch that. but this is similar to how the U.S. plays wargames they always test the unexpected or make it difficult for themselves to improve themselves. But on this TH-cam channel it's just about curiosity and fun.
Greta Thunberg would be all over the news telling us how much fuel is being burned 😂
Some fool would be blabbing on about it all on social media before the first plane leaves the taxi way…
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We got Ukrainians getting notif soon as Tu95MS/Tu22M3/Mig31K takes of from air bases, so they obviously know somehow
Great update, but I would say the US may have 2 AWACS out one either side doing Air patrols
Guam might be the only base that could necessitate this!
Fair comment.
What a superb video - this sums up everything I love about GR and DCS!
Currently there is no OTH radar near Guam that I know of. However I suspect they see those planes from further away than in this simulation. Guam doesn’t have a patriot system currently. It does have a THAAD system and an Israeli iron dome system.
They are putting in a patriot system, an Aegis ashore system, and a SPY-7 radar and a TOTH radar system on Palau which is 800m from Guam. The TOTH will be finished by 2026. Then they will see anything from bare minimum 500-1000 miles. The stats on the TOTH are very tight lipped atm.
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Great content as usual
And superb G.R ending 😂
Amazing! Great stuff Cap!
There are exactly 0 F-15EX's in service. All 2 in existence, are being used for testing. When they're built, they're going first to Oregon ANG, not to the USAF. The USAF don't have any on order. Only ANG.
When I was stationed in the Pacific from 06-09 we encountered numerous Bears who were never escorted. Never encountered any fighter jets either.
Puush candidate for white knight with his new livery? Great ending guys, the f16 doing doughnuts ftw!
Love that your stick to your guns and principle CAP! Each War Games and video is better and better and better! So addictive and entertaining. Many thanks for the hard work!
aww that's nice :)
Gents: I like the fact that you do not script them -- that occasionally that you lose. Thank you!
This video is really missing a David Attenborough narration "the swarm of cruise missiles, birthed in dangerous circumstances, makes its way to the destination, beset by a variety of predators"
A great leap?
How forward of you!
I like to think somewhere in the Pentagon they have a person who watches these simulations and actually tries to get some useful tactical information from them lol
My company had a senior wargamer position open in DC. You'd have to be a retired O-6 or higher with very specific qualifications to get the job.
Unfortunately I give our beauracracy too much credit. I more expect them to hide useful information in order to protect their cushy jobs and projects.
I doubt it, we deliberately add a level of un-realism into these battle to ensure a fun exciting battles. If we went 100% realism they would be a lot more boring.
Yes and he looks just like Neil Patrick Harris in Starship Troopers
Just another amazing battle!
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Cap, the Dededo chicken fight arena must be defended at all costs, I helped repair that building
LOL yes will defend it with our lives!
13:10 oh mah stomach is bubblin'!!
Reminds me of Red Storm Rising. You should,1000% read it. Because this scenario takes place...sort of. Set during the late 80's, early 90's
They already did a reenactment from Red Storm Rising
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Only thing I see missing are the cap flights that should already be in the air, great vid as always guys!
You know it's hard for me to believe that people will complain about this. I mean it's a "simulator". I think you guys do a great job and I do enjoy your what if's!
people talk about kh101 but no one mention the fact that the aim260 is still not in service
Loved watching
Those that get angry and leave - do they not know this is just a game/simulation???
Apparently not...
Well now I would like to see a control. All of this would be your discretion, but maybe try Guam defense against Bears with a practical amount of missiles they would use on Guam. You pick the time period and find out what would likely be stationed at Guam, trying to make a "realistic" 'could Guam defend against x?'
The thing about that first video is that a few minutes made a crucial difference. The Raptors slaughtered the Bears. Unfortunately, the Bears had launched their cruise missiles literally 3 or 4 minutes earlier. Thise few minutes made a huge difference, and it's almost impossible to script it tight enough to get an even contest. It's almost certain to be an overwhelming victory one way or the other.
What would happen IRL? Who knows...
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Hay cap your shows are better than late night TV. I’m not that knowledgeable so big fun watching you shows.
I have just gone wild.
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I think if I had a custom skin for an F-15, it would be a WWII style P-40 desert camouflage scheme, a yellow nose cone tip, the leading edges of the wings, stabilizers and tailplane in neon lime green, and the Flying Tiger's shark mouth. 😂
Hey Grump, If I was going to Madagascar I'd be looking for Fossa more than Lemurs. 😂
The F-15E prototype had a really nice looking European One scheme. I guess if you're carrying AIM-260, who cares about visual camouflage? That custom skin does sound badass
The kh101 is used as a swarm weapon instead of a long range weapon.
These missiles have a range of 2500+km with some ministry of defence claims of up to 4500km. They cruise at very high altitude, 6000meters high to get an edge in range and then dive down on approach to the target, flying at 30m.
The bombers carrying these are not in danger of fighter jets and the attack will not be detected untill the very final part of it. The awacs if its on the air will see the treat the last 100 or maybe even lower km. This is about 10 minutes of time. The patriot and cram are the only way to defend the island.
Ofc, the amount of missiles will be much lower, try 2 bombers with 16 kh100 missiles.
Have you done April 12, 1951 "Black Thursday"? Not sure all the planes are in DCS.
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On that second point, if there was a full scale strike with 22 tactical bombers and that many fighters in one foreign base, there probably would already be some sort of war going on between the 2, so hypothetically I see no problem with there being that amount of missiles, since none of this would have happened without at least preparation
Man, the AIM260 can’t join the arsenal soon enough. AMRAAM standoff capability is just deficient these days.
You could try escorting the Tu-95s with a Tu-160
Have you ever seen Nascar? I wonder if jets in DCS can draft and slingshot like the stock cars do on a superspeedway.
You should try this run with f-14 or st-21 tomcats
F-15ex already airborne is not cheating. If the bears are travelling across the Ocean, I'd venture to say they'd have plenty of time to take off before the bears get there.
Perhaps next time, you could just get the AI to pilot some "Bones" to truck-in a bunch of JDAMs.
roger.
Speaking of what ifs!
What would this exercise be like when some of these planes get “lazers”?
Dang, Poosh didn't try that Hot Shots wing slap maneuver...
Agreed
I dont understand peoppe who cry about other people making entertain content for them. If you loose viewers for a lack if realism in a Mil STIMULATION game, aka not real, then I dont know what to say aside from spend the 4 to 10000 dollars on a mil-sim fight set up and make your own content. Keep it up boys y'all are doing just fine for the vast majority of us.
Thanks
lol. the ending.
4:20 Is it really all that cheaty? Surely the bombers would have been detected by other means long before the AWACS picks them up. No reason the raptors couldn't have been at least airborne.
Good fun!
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Question on hardware for all the experienced flight simmers: is anyone using or has used the Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog or the T.16000m FCS HOTAS? Opinions/thoughts? I'm a rookie to flight sims and though I'm happy being a casual gamer, I would like to feel immersed in it. The hope is to eventually go PCVR with a HOTAS system. I've only ever used a simple joystick and played on "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe" and "F-15 Strike Eagle". Yes, that's how long ago it was. And yes, that's how old I am....lol.
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I use neither of those but please asking in the GR Discord (link in vid description). People in there will be able to help.
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Does the USAF no longer fly combat air patrols? I just really feel like there would been at least 2 and probably 4 F-22s/F-15s up on CAP duty when the bombers were detected.
Fair comment.
Wow - a simulation where the good guys don't spend 10X to defend vs. what it cost the baddies to attack.
what it costs to attack is not relevant... the cost of the destruction is what matters
Are you looking into doing the Maverick flights from TG2?
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is it more effective to fire at targets at 90deg. angle rather than head on? guns or missile.
Head on for maximum missiles range.
The two F15's landing together was pure bliss.
Agreed
Ad 2×2 f15ex as Air Patrol around Guam?
@7:12 funderrun?
What a difference a little tactical shift makes.
As moa says “time for great leap”
Just think of all the virtual aluminum that went into the water.
Discussion question for the crowd. So Canada is upgrading is cf-18 hornets with the f35 - imo - it would have been better for Canada to have gone with the super hornet or the f-15ex - cheaper aircraft but cheaper to operate and no need to upgrade the mechanics and building logistics from 4th gen to 5th gen. Plus I think for what Canada does, the f-15 is a better choice over the f-35. Thoughts……
That's a tough one. Until we know all the secrets of the F-35 it's hard to judge.
It wouldn't have changed anything, but fighter escorts can absolutely fly over the ocean, using tankers and mid-air refuelling. I don't suspect they'd actually _do_ it (largely because it wouldn't change anything), and it'd be pretty unpleasant for the pilots to be sitting in the cockpit that long, but I don't see why it _couldn't_ be done.
Only the US has the refueling infrastructure, equipment, and personnel to launch a fighter and bomber strike as far as Guam. China could likely do a one-time smaller strike with their fleet.
We did investigate that a while ago for a big battle and found that IRL Russia doesn't have enough tankers, or the right type, I forget now.
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yeah defending aircraft. would be QRF ready. because its a Russian training exercise till the cruise missiles are launched. even then its training mission officially until they are 30miles away international waters and all. in a first strike you would have very little warning. sub 50miles out is basically no warning.
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Actually, I think seeing you guys don't succes at every mission you take part of is pretty interesting. I like seeing you debriefing on what did go wrong and why, trying to get through the mission on multiple video. I think the concept should continue. USA and otanian countries don't have always to win.
Realistically they probably learn more from war games they lose than ones they win.
Roger, my understanding of real life wargames is that you are suppose to lose some of them as that's the best way to find your weaknesses.
@@grimreapers sure thing chief. Keep the good work !
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Contact Fly-By-Wire in the GR Discord or elsewhere. I don't know if he will give them to you or not but you can ask.
Can the F-15 not deploy the RAT? Ram Air Turbine, small prop driven generator to provide emergency electricity?
I have no idea TBH.
Suggestion unless youve done it already, Chinese Navy vs Pearl Harbor
I think if they were to be escorted, an Su-34 with 2 extra tanks could possibly make it to Guam and back. However, i dont think they could carry many missiles if they want to make weight for the trip. Not like Russia would ever try anyways.
If we get caught with our pants down, but many people would have to be asleep at the wheel to not see this coming from the start.
Here's a thought:
Most of the base's planes wouldn't be ready to take off at a moment's notice for a surprise attack. To simulate that, don't have any AI planes, but when the humans of the first wave are out of missiles, have them despawn, then return as the pilots of the next wave. That way they don't have to return to base, and get maximum boom-boom!
Poor Simba got body slammed by a pole.
Maybe next mission do combined F22 and F15EX
OK
glorious
Boeing didn't make the F-15, only the weapons systems for it
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Personally, I blame the Romanian judge, at work, all the time LOL
Do you remember those campy movies from the 80s like goonies,wargames,cold fission,independence day? I would love if you guys wrote a movie script about a group of "simsters" who saved whatever. If it was legit I'd spend real money to see it. Even though I can't see very well.
Only one question: would the bears really come from the east to attack Guam? That is only issue I would have. Other than Japan having a heads up on a mass flight heading out of Mother Russia. And the fuel requirements of da Bears. The 15000 km range MAY make it feasible...with it being empty...fully loaded closer to 9 or 10. Regardless they would be down 2 flights of Bears.
LOL yes I just brought it up on a map and you are right. For some reason I thought Guam is where Midway is.
@@grimreapers Y'all are good. Just being a respectful Valued Viewer...from across the pond!
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Air-burst a nuclear asset to eliminate the incoming missles?
Yup I bet it can.
How about replacing the AIM-260s with double the amount of Peregrine missiles...
Good comment!
What if a friendly plane suddenly switches side and starts attacking friendly planes/assets. Does Patriot systems (or any system at all) could automatically recognizes it as a threat?
highly doubt it. If anything id assume that sam sites would use IFF or something similar and unless that person did something with their transponder i dont think any automatically controlled thing would fire on them
Why don’t the Bears rtb immediately after firing their cruise missiles?
Please tell me you used THAD this time
Didn't need it.
DCS will install the coding for accurate altitude and pressure on a human.
Cap pops the canopy and his head explodes....lol
F-14s were the interceptors needed for this fight
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Love everything you do, even when it goes bad for my side. Some people just like to gripe! Peace.
and again capt failed to turn on the tracers
I don't think I'll ever remember TBH
F-15EX would go better with the B-ONE-R… who’s naming these??? 😂
sorry but "russia doesn't have that many missiles" argument is great considering the amount of aim 260s that were launched and how they're barely in service yet LOL
Yes absolutely it works both ways.
@@grimreapers Yeah but people will ignore that because they're biased and it's annoying. Idk why they can't just enjoy the scenario
Except Guam is also defended with Patriot and THAAD.
THAAD targets ballistic missiles as it comes its terminal phase. They are not designed to hit low altitude to sea skimming/terrain hugging missiles. That's a job for the Patriot. So THAAD would be useless against this attack.
why shoot at the bombers at all once the missiles are fired?