Does God Create Unbelief?: Chosen By God with R.C. Sproul
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- If God alone is responsible for the salvation of the elect, does that mean He creates unbelief in those He didn’t elect? Examining this question in this message entitled “Did God Create Unbelief?” Dr. Sproul clearly establishes that God is not the author of sin and does not create unbelief.
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What a delightful man. He has a calm way of talking. Praise Jesus Christ.🥰
R.C Sproul was one of the best Bible teachers in the world.
i too want to hear more of his teachings....he is .really about the only one in my 48 yrs of turning to JESUS that seems to think like me......and i have listened to all the so called great teachers having lived in tulsa for about 18 yrs........i would like to know where this brother lives and teaches ....
And RC is still one of the best preachers.. He's not dead Spiritually, He is still with Us..RC is just sleeping..
No comparison to the Holy Spirit
The supreme teacher!
Wow this helps me understand Romans 9 so much better. And it makes salvation and the cross so much more important to me as a believer. Thank you Lord
WOW, 29:00!!! That explanation of Pharaoh! Wow, wow, wow.
Yes, every good thing comes from above. Any goodness in Pharaoh was from God, so God removing his good influence hardened Pharaoh's heart -- exactly what came natural to Pharaoh. WOW.
All Glory to God!!! ❤
Great teachers like R.C. Sproul are very, very rare. Though he is, by Grace, with the Lord Jesus, the Truths he preached are Eternal. Thank you, God, for loaning him to us for so many years!
He's a good teacher, but he isn't all that when you get down to it.
Amen, @oldhardshell7235, the Bible teachings of R.C. Sproul's ministry regarding predestination ARE very rare and ALL the glory goes to our Gracious Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and to NO ONE ELSE!
Some amazing teaching in the last 5 minutes. This helped me with a problem posed by a family member. Thank you!
I agree with RC. The point he didn't make that nails it without any ambiguity is the the word forknowledge is NOT the word FORSIGHT. The word foreknowledge is the word PRO GNOSKO...Gnosko (To know Intimately) as in adam knew eve and she bore a son. Also as in "depart from me, I never knew (gnosko) you". So gnosko is a deep intimate love and knowledge of someone. It is not merely forsight (seeing what would happen & choosing that) that theory makes me chuckle, and makes God a very puny God indeed.
Oh, yes. Our Creator has the most Holy Holy Holy, sense of humor! :D
Thats why Paul said we have nothing to boast but boast in Christ. We died and were born-again....the life we live is no more ours but unto God and Gods will and purpose be done. Thank God for men like RC..never did forget who he was and lived liken unto Christ. Just another sinner who rest now with His Lord and Savior. Praise and glory to God. Shalom
i have enjoyed your teachings and would love to come to one of your meetings ......i kinda feel like these people that you are teaching may be the people i should be around .....instead of those that i have been around for 48 yrs that strongly condemn that GOD has done all and is all.....it's always been Mike " you did this or that " always that i have been at fault or the problem .....my believe my SPIRIT has been leading me to someone like br. Sproul....
I hate to inform you that this is really old and Dr. Sproul has gone to be with the Lord
@@jessethomas3979 you know i found that out -- i thank you for informing me....i guess i can learn from him and his video's
“The fear of the LORD prolongeth days: But the years of the wicked shall be shortened.”
Proverbs 10:27 KJV
Calvinists want to say that God foreordains whatsoever comes to pass, but in the very next breath, they want to say, “Ah yes, but he did not foreordain that Mr Smith would commit a particular sin at 5:30pm on 3 November 2023.”
Well, they can’t have it both ways. If Mr Smith is just left to do his own thing, how can it be said that God predetermines that thing?
God bless him I know hes with the Lord. Helped me reform my faith, pointed me to Jonathan Edward's sinners In the hands of an angry God
Yes God only likes him because of you hahahahahahaha
Millennial single digit iq narcissists
Its very obvious that there is a resurgence of attacks on Biblical doctrines lately. People hate the doctrines of Grace and God being sovereign and able ti show all of his characteristics. Sad.
Woooow the end was so good
The whole video is awesome..
Paul looked forward through time and adopted the Augustinian view of election. 😜
Okay. So if God steps back to let Pharaoh's heart be hardened by pharaoh's own desires and actions does he also step back to let Job's heart to cling to God and express his faith? And if that's the case is that not an argument for free will but within the bounds of God's sovereignty?
Job is wicked like pharaoh. If God stepped back, Jobs evil would pour out. Job was only righteous because God had mercy and created righteousness in him.
Whenever God pulls away from someone, evil always erupts
@@eminem101904 Amen!
What a ridiculous strawman.
Definitely liked his own comment with 3 fake profiles haha what inane gibberish
@@eminem101904 i agree 💯
It is a difficult teaching. I have five children. None of them are saved. Sometimes one of the most difficult teachings is the notion of divine prerogative.
. I pray that they May they receive salvation
I too have a daughter I'm praying for. Don't give up.
@@darlalei4303 - Thank you for the encouragement.
Please pray that God softens my heart Thanks
God has primary causality in saving and in hardening both. Man cannot resist this causality and they willfully do what God ordains.
Remember that hardening is not an injustice, the reprobate deserve punishment.
Considering YHVH ELOHIM GOD invented every mans will and our entire being inside and out when there was nothing...
I’m having trouble squaring his comments on Romans 9 with 1 Timothy 2:4. Does anyone have any thoughts on that?
The good news is that God DOES NOT predestine anyone to hell. OR "pass over" those who He could have saved but chose not to (for whatever reason)
How can you be so sure Emile ? Are you God !? . . .
No, but the classical interpretation of Romans 9, Romans 8, Ephesians 1 etc . . . mixed with the classical general Jewish view of foreknowledge, predestination, election (corporate and individual) and the journey toward glorification . . . mixed with even the most basic use of God given human reason and sence of fairness, love and justice . . . mixed with the rejection of the view that a few guys who lived after 3 quarters of Christian history so far had already elapsed suddenly saw what none of the great leaders, theologians, teachers and wonderworkers of the Church never did . . .
. . . gives me a very good, solid and overwhelmingly favourable reason to accept the classical, historic and Orthodox (non Augustinian) view, and uterly reject what is, as Calvin himself said, "the terrible doctrine" - the doctrine that Augustine basically invented ! - Double predestination with the addition of meticulous determinism.
Calvinism is proof of just how important it is for us to feel "safe" within the consensus of an interpretive tradition... part of something bigger than ourselves.
Any of us can come under dodgy teaching, and John Calvin's novel system (because he was at such a pivotal and influential moment in history) unfortunately received cult like reverence among certain reformers and has thus influenced many many thousands afterwards.
The real consensus of the mind of the Church on the matters of foreknowledge, predestination and the place of grace and free will in the entirety of salvation was clearly reached and taught amongst the post apostolic / Ante - Nicene Father's. The whole of the ancient church in both the east and the west, and also the majority of Protestants today, utterly reject Augustine's novel view of predestination in the early 5th century, and the "determinism" of Calvin in the 16th.
Arguing with a fan of reformed / deformed theology is like arguing with a non Christian cultist (though obvs "Calvinists" are deeply consevative and Christian) ... You can't reason with someone who's brainwashed. They "swallow" the hard pill of "the terrible doctrine" out of reverance for God. They have also received a very warped and lopsided view of Christian history which "seems" to uphold Augustine and Calvin as the heroes and bastions of "true orthodoxy"... (oh the irony) ... a history lesson which is bias and has no actual basis in reality. (the JW's / Arians would have more of a case from history, and their doctrines (though wrong) make far more Scriptural, philisophical and logical sense than those of some of the reformers)
Divine determinism - to the point that Calvin took it - is unscriptural, irrational and horrific.
In love !
Peace to all in Christ X
No 1 reads your crazy manifestos jim.jones wannabe
Yes! Let’s talk!!
No, God didn't create unbelief . Unbelief is among those who had a hardened heart or had evil conscience.
YHVH hardens whom He will harden.
He told Moses He would harden Pharaohs heart and He did.
Isn't there a difference between Jacob's election to be the father of a nation and the election of people for salvation? I mean, I always see they use Jacob as an example to explain the "U" of the TULIP, but I think it is not exactly the same kind of election.
Exactly. This has nothing to do with salvation. It has to do with God accomplishing His purposes through the nation of Israel.
How did Esau receive justice? How did Esau serve his brother? He didn't and he didn't. Esau reconciled with Jacob like he should have. It is the nation of Esau that was hated and received justice only after attacking Israel as they were commanded not to do. Esau was not a reprobate. Jacob was chosen to carry the promise.
The Bible says he did
@@aletheia8054 chapter verse?
@@huntsman528 Gen. 25 and Rom. 9
@@huntsman528 tou have never read the bible in your life. Get off the internet claiming it says the exact opposite.
Lying snake
It's hard to elaborate what's wrong with irressitable grace and predestination unto salvation without using this basic argument.
Because Jesus died for all men's sins, all men do have equal grace in that fashion. If within the divine porrogative, one person is blessed to recieve something that another is not, it is not an injustice. At that point, it's not a matter of a biased God, it's a matter of what person shall do His will. Because of the cross, He proves it is within His nature to say "I want all men to come to me, but I know not everybody will come". Because of a passage like
"Who shall go to be a lying spirit in the mouth of Ahaz' prophets."
And a lying spirit even answering, it's not a matter of bias or injustice. It's a matter of facilitation. And in the righteiusness of God, God gave Ahaz a chance once again with a lone prophet who spoke truth.
Ah, if I ever felt like I am walking a doctrinal tight rope, it sure is now.
Also David didn't say he hates his enemies with a perfect hatred, he says he hates God's enemies.
You must be born from above..
@@barbarafriedenberger6205
Yes, that is elementary, dear sister.
@@TheKing-qz9wd and your being 🤓...
Not to many know that..
@@barbarafriedenberger6205
Is something the matter or are you agreeing with me? I don't care for pointless diatribes.
Yeah, that doesn't make sense with Pharoah. After all of the defeats, Pharoah was going to break. God hardened him to keep it going. God was going to defeat all of the false gods of Egypt that all may know the name of the Lord. God letting go = Pharoah letting Israel go, which means less pain for Egypt.
God does not create unbelief. Read Romans Chapter 9.
Rrr
The idea that God selected people outside of Christ before they are regenerated is not back up by scripture! How do you make the claim that some receive mercy and some don't? How do you equate mercy to justice? What he is doing is really a false dichotomy of the word. That some how mercy has to be unbound in order to be mercy? He needs to read the passages regarding the interaction with Moses and the burning bush! Yes God has sworn by his right hand, and because he could swear by no higher! These concepts of mercy and justice have been unseated from their context and used to fit the heresy of Calvinism!
Biblical fairytales., Sophist nonsense.
These claims are breathtakingly delusional.
Being a charlatan is easy. Thinking critically requires rigour.
Space cadet internet keyboard warrior. 🙄 typical uneducated single digit iq desperate to proclaim your own delusions of self righteousness. You are easily deluded lol obviously You do not understand or accept reality so how can you understand or accept truth?
Satans zombie
@@uncasunga1800 I've got my room booked, right next to his furnace.
Half of the stuff here is not from the Bible
So I have a question about this if I had the desire to be saved does that mean Gods working in me or even if I have a desire I could just want to be saved but I won’t because I’m not predestined. I’m not saying this is wrong.
I love RC. God used him to bring me to Reformation i.e. to understand these biblical concepts.
I praise the Name of Jesus Christ for His Salvation for you.
Please read Adam Clarke's commentary on Romans 9.
Well said.
Without God's election, I wouldn't be
saved by his mercy and grace, thank
you RC for making a difficult truth
clear
This teaching helped me grasp a true understanding of God's election. Made me humble and give God all thanksgiving for creating faith in my heart.
Amen
Amen
@@clintmyrick4128
Amen!
Amen
Amen
Our brother RC was such a magnificent expositor and his teaching God's word has been a catalyst in setting my heart ablaze with passionate affection for the Lord by helping me understand His absolute sovereignty. Praise almighty God.
Amen Sproul. We have been predestined before the foundations of the earth. May we cherish this within our hearts forevermore. God bless you all.
Fact: Only God is perfect.
Fact: God is Just, so He must punish sin. To be love what is good means to hate that which corrupts what is good.
Fact: God cannot create something that is equal to Him, therefore, all created beings are imperfect and have a "sinful nature".
Fact: A lifetime of sinning and a rejection of Jesus Christ deserves the punishment of eternal Hell, because God's Hatred for sin is everlasting. However, the harshness of this punishment depends on the sinner. Satan will suffer unimaginably because He has been sinning since the beginning, whereas someone like the Rich Man still had his mental faculties and could even communicate with Abraham despite suffering.
Fact: Those in Hell continue to sin and have no opportunity for forgiveness because they rejected the love of God.
However, the interesting part starts here...
Fact: Since all have sinned, God has the right to choose who He wishes to save. He does not have to show mercy, and He will not for some to display His Holiness.
Fact: Anyone who asks God for mercy will receive it. God is faithful to His promises and cannot lie.
Fact: But only those who have been born again by the Spirit of God will ever choose to ask for mercy. Those who don't have the Spirit cannot love God because they love their sin. They hate God because of their pride.
Fact: Though we have been born again, that does not mean we are completely set free from the lusts of the flesh. God will sanctify us slowly, just as He explained to the Israelites that they had to multiply their numbers in the wilderness before they were ready to enter the promised land. In our flesh God is teaching us as His Father to know right from wrong, to learn to hate sin and put to death our sinful flesh in the same way that Jesus was refined and perfected through His suffering.
Fact: If we don't have assurance of these things then Satan will eat us alive and we will fail to let the Spirit work in our lives. Satan wants us to doubt God and give up on Him, but we must never lose heart. God's love is unconditional.
No, not 'all created beings have a sin nature', only human beings.
So helpful and so truthful!!! Thank you for this clip!
Make more videos where have you been?!? Lol
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8 views? Wow!
I am so grateful for Ligonier Ministries and your work of sharing God's message to a lost world.
+John M I am also bless with Ligonier Ministry.
No, Ligonier ministries is fully committed to sound teaching of Scripture. Your slander is a lie...
56k views today.
David Pauley looks like TH-cam removed what you responded to
Over 69k as of 16 Nov 19.
The Lord God's Grace is to give us, what we do NOT deserve.
The Lord God's Mercy is NOT to give us, what we deserve.
God wrote all our stories before time.
Just ask Job...
This is Biblical truth. Thanks to the late, Dr Sproul 🙂
This entire Universe belongs to the Lord God and he may do as he wishes with it. But we must remember that there is Absolutely NO Darkness in God and he is Perfectly HOLY. Therefore everything God does is perfect which is in line with his character. God bless everyone.
and i agree with you....i am longing to know how GOD is GOD.....we will all know someday....
Rest upon a human choice…You mean a human choice like Adam and Eve made? It does rest upon a human choice to whether to believe or not. What could be clearer in Scripture?! But that God does the believing for me is not belief. But that God does the loving for me is not love. But that God does the choosing for me is not choice. And that is what this comes to. Calvinism is determinism. It changes God, it changes man, and it changes the Gospel.
In this specific passage, the central mistake I believe Sproul ( and I grew up listening to Sproul and reading his books - fantastic teacher) makes in in conflating the election of Israel with the election of believers.
I am having trouble understanding this. I understand this passage to be Paul explaining to the Jews that they are not all grandfathered in or saved just because they are descendants of Abraham. Isn’t he explaining to them that the gentiles can be saved because of faith- and that Israel is only saved because of faith as well?
Please help!
@@augustoupkm thanks so much for replying and for the information!
@@scarlettm8702 Yes that's part of it. Eschatology comes into play as most amillennial do not accept a physical Israel which i believe. Most reject the formerly predominant premillennial physical kingdom of ISRAEL. I highly recommend Voddie Bauchams revelation series.
It really helpes bring out the absolute necessity of the OT because YHVH ELOHIM ADONAI GOD is talking to all believers of every age. Because only they will listen and heed, by His grace and election.
1 is not a jew if he is 1 outwardly but the inside,is,what matters.
They are saved the same way absolutely.
@@augustoupkm Well YHVH made the first covenant with a people that were not a people. IF they follow his commands they will live by them. But man is inherently lawless due to hereditary original sin nature.
They refused and he divorced them so He fulfills the 2nd covenant He planned or decided on all along, dependent only on Christ.
„Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God; for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempteth no man: but each man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. Then the lust, when it hath conceived, beareth sin: and the sin, when it is fullgrown, bringeth forth death.“
James 1 : 13-15 ASV
Far out I think I'm a calvinist now. God is Sovereign.
How would you feel if an earthly father showed favor to one son and not the other and just gave the explanation that it's his perogative to do as he wishes. We'd think that was unloving, unkind, and unfair. And the repercussion of God's choice of showing mercy to one and justice to another is dire - it's an eternity in hell. I cannot see how this action demonstrates any love on the part of God. The people commenting here can praise God for His actions because you're one of the elect - or so you think you are - how can you be sure? And what about your loved ones who aren't believers and have no hope of becoming believers unless God draws them? What is the point of sharing the gospel? Why is RC Sproul even giving this class? I'd imagine everyone in attendance is already one of the elect. You may praise God for His mercy toward you, but do you also praise Him for showing His power and wrath toward those He chose not to save?
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC RC Sproul was a Calvinist - they believe that no one can come to the Father unless the Father draws him. Only those God has chosen to regenerate and give faith, will be saved. According to Sproul, MacArthur, and Piper - man cannot even desire to know God and thereby seek Him out or hear the Gospel and repent and be saved. God in eternity past decided who will be saved and who will be damned. Man has absolutely nothing to do with it. I have been listening to sermons from all three men and find it all very upsetting. I understand what you're saying and I agree with you - but that is an Armenian doctrine which these men reject. According to them, man has no hope of being saved unless God made the choice to save them before they were born. My point in my example of the 2 sons is that this is not something a loving father would do - to show favoritism. And the consequences of God's favoritism is extremely dire - hell for those He chooses not to save. How can it be loving for God to decide who wil be saved and who will not? How is it even just? True, we all deserve death because we are all sinners. God doesn't have to save anyone. But to have 2 equally guilty people stand before you and let one live and the other go to eternal damnation is not just and not loving. I believe God reveals Himself to everyone. It is clear just from observing nature that He exists. I do not take away from God any of His power or glory in providing a way of salvation to man by believing man has a choice. Calvinists believe that man having a choice to follow Jesus - a choice they make - somehow takes away from God's glory in salvation because they feel this somehow gives man some credit in his salvation. When I heard the Gospel over 30 years ago and realized who I was before God given my sin, I was humbled and repentant and gave God praise for revealing the truth to me. I in no way gave myself any credit for salvation. I believe salvation is a gift - a gift is given and can be recieved or not - it's up to the person it's being given to to make that decision. A gift is not forced on anyone, nor is the value of the gift or the love behind it lessened because the person it's being given to decides not to take it. Calvinists believe God basically forces salvation on a person - they have no choice to reject Him because He gives them the ability to see, believe, repent, etc. It's all His doing and He made that decision from the foundation of the earth. They can't say no because His will is always accomplished and He willed them to be saved. This is the Calvinist interpretation of the doctrine of predestination and election. I have been agonizing over this doctrine for weeks because I want to know the truth about Who God is and understand what He does. I've tried to look at their interpretation of Scripture and wrap my head around it and I just can't see how they can believe this let alone preach it. Where is the hope of the Gospel? Why preach at all? If God already has chosen His elect, why bother? I read comments under their videos by people saying how happy they are that God chose them. How does it feel to know that God may not have chosen your husband, child, parent, or friend? If this doctrine is true, how can I continue loving a Being that would do this to people? My heart is breaking and my faith is crushed.
God fitted vessels of wrath for destruction. It might not feel good to you but it's what The Bible says.
In English there is only one word for love. So when you read The Bible in English you only get one. But The Bible wasn't written in English. There's 2 words in The Bible for love. The main one is agape. That word is defined in 2nd John 1:6. The other word is phileo. That's the word for affection. You are confusing the affection type love with the the commandment type love
This is a common mistake when people go by the English reading of The Bible.
@@billyr9162 there 4 Koine Greek words for love Aristotle lol
@Iacopone Furio i think there is only 2 in the Bible
Excellent teaching, which has helped my understanding of differing views to come into more lucid focus. What Dr. Sproul speaks of as positive/negative of God's action (or inaction for negative), in the hardening of Pharaoh's heart, I think can also be applied to 2 Thess. 2:11. "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie..." Perhaps God will simply remove His restraint of evil (after all this is an eschatological verse), allowing reprobate minds to be further blinded by the enemy, rather than directly by God. And yet all He allows is by Him for He is sovereign. I am uncertain as to whether or not I expressed my thought well enough here, but there it is. Blessings.
Thank you, I believe you expressed your thought masterfully.
I 👍 agree!
Without free will, the entire Bible is pointless. What would we need it for if our entire lives are predestined. Jesus died so that we would see it and CHOOSE to love Him. Without choice, we are just robots, and there is no glory for God in that. I can even build a robot. These predestined people within the Bible are made and used to teach a lesson. That does not mean that everyone lives a predestined life. Jobs family was predestined to die. Other families were not.
Awesome Truth ✝️ ❤️
Thank You LORD For Saving Me..
I Love You❤️❤️
RC, thank you for the best explanation of predestination, i am hoping one day we will meet in heaven, i will shake your hand and will say. "Thank you"
All glory to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ for sanctifying him in the Holy Ghost by grace through faith. We are but wretched sinners saved by grace through faith and repentance for remission of sins in the Lord Jesus Christ, imputed righteousness and merits!
You will meet him and every believer because they're will be an eternity to do so. 👍😀 ✝ 🙏🙇
@@williamhenderson191 there * 😊
He may be of a different soteriological view once you get there.
Heaven no hand,arms ,shoulder and leg
God bless you ..what a gospel ... You preached here is great source for our understanding
If God predestined some to heaven and to hell then what was the purpose for the cross?Perhaps to make sure those he destined to heaven would make it there?I don't think so!!
For salvation, we just need to follow the way they did it in Acts? They were baptized in water for the removal of sins and filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38!
Here's why! The gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. If we are to follow him, we must do the same thing. Death= repentance, Burial = baptism, and resurrection = being filled and rising again from the dead and walking in the newness of life. That's what Acts 2:38 is.
We must obey the gospel, 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9, in flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that OBEY NOT THE GOSPEL of our Lord Jesus Christ...
Matthew 7:21-23, Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that DOETH THE WILL OF MY FATHER which is in Heaven. St John 3:3-5, EXCEPT a man, be born of WATER AND OF THE SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of GOD.
We can't come up with our own gospel. Galatians 1:8-9, But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. Don't be cursed.
One way for all people. Jews, Gentiles, and Samaritans. Our salvation has to match up with the scriptures and no scriptures on the subject can be taken away.
Eternity is TOOO long to be WRONG! st, John 5:39, Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
The gospels show what Christ has done on the cross for us. The book of Acts shows us the beginning of Christ's Church and how to enter the Church, obeying Acts 2:38. The letters were written to the Church to show us how to behave now that we are born again into the Church.
It's better to walk alone than to walk with a crowd going in the wrong direction.
Are we supposed to follow the teachings of the apostles? Acts 2:42, And they continued steadfastly in the apostle's doctrines. Ephesians 2:20, We are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone.
Don't get Titus 3:5 mixed up with James 2:14-26, about WORKS. One is a WORK of your OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS OR GOOD DEEDS and the other is a WORK OF FAITH. Titus 1:16, They profess that they know God; but in WORKS they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. God bless you!
Such a great explanation of election. 🙏🏼❤️
Justice is meted out to everyone. For those outside of Christ it is received directly, for those in Christ it is vicariously done to Christ on our behalf. The just dying for the unjust, our sins imputed to Christ and God's wrath being poured out onto Christ in our stead and Christ's Righteousness being imputed to us for whom Christ died. In every case, God's justice is satisfied. Propitiation is about the satisfaction of God's wrath against us. Christ is the Propitiation for our sins. "God made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, so that we might become the Righteousness of God in Him" (II Corinthians 5:21).
Just as Sproul looks at Romans 9 it’s very important to also look at Romans 10. What was God’s plan regarding Jacob and Esau? To restore Israel and to offer salvation or Gentiles - first to the Jew and then to the Gentile.
These are well meaning preachers but this theology is false. How does faith come? By hearing the word of God Romans 10:14-15. God could supernaturally give faith without the need for another person sharing the word but He has chosen to do so this way.
God is sovereign we agree but also created man in His image with a will. From Genesis 1, God grants Adams authority in the earth. That’s why we pray “your will be done on earth as it is in heaven”. God allows us to partners with Him (or not)
Romans 10:21. Why would God hold His hand out to a disobedient Israel all day long. Why bother as in Calvinism’s view He already knew they wouldn’t! Why did He send so many prophets to restore Israel time and time again?
God desires ALL to be saved and come to repentance and will save those who believe, Jesus paid the atonement price for ALL men and will save those who believe, the Holy Spirit is calling ALL men and will regenerate those who believe.
Thank you. That was beautifully stated.
Are you open to correction on the 2 Peter 3 passage?
Everyone needs to hear this. I’ve come across way too many people, including Christians, who think that God owes people anything. He doesn’t owe us anything.
I believe help my unbelief!
Wow! I had to look into transcripts to get the most of it understand it fully. Glory to God for His mercy to a person so undeserving like me.
The last couple of minutes of this brought great clarity to me. Thank you ☺️
Please 🙏 for my children and I
There is one important verse that talks about elect based on foreknowledge
1 Peter 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace be multiplied.
JD Ks
+Theology Matters God and God alone exist in the eternal state. He can see past, present, and future, at the "same time" from His eternal perspective. God cannot "learn" from the future. His redemption plan will not fail.
Faith is a GIFT from God. Without it, man cannot believe. God does the saving. All glory to Him.
God bless Dr. R. C. Sproul and ligonier for preaching the truth of the Bible!
bible4truth,
what do you mean by "false bibles"? Do you have accounting for only one true bible? I suspect I am coming into the presence of a kjv-only follower by submittal of your kjv reference....
I believe much of what you say, but I am troubled by what appears to be your charge of translations that were assembled by theologians and historians who are fully dedicated believers in Yashua Ha Mashiach. I have an affection for His name within the language God chose to reveal Himself...
Shalom!
This man speaks the absolute truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
no, he does not
It's funny how Armenians believe salvation is all our own choice, and none of it is influenced by the Holy Spirit at all. Yet they pray for others salvation all the time. What's the point of praying that others become saved if it's their own choice? Wouldn't praying for their salvation be a violation of their free will?
The same reason surely, that YOU have to pray for the salvation of people that you do not believe God has nevessarily chosen. Why bother? Indeed, extreme calvanism neither prays for the souls of others, or evangelizes anyone based on that very premise. Funny? No, not at all. You need to be examining your own beliefs as well as those of others.
Funny how all the people teaching this doctrine somehow include themselves in the predestined saved, what a surprise it would be to end up in hell. Wonder if you would gladly say on that day “all Glory to God for His will” as you writhe in excruciating pain for eternity, hmmmmmm?
It is why one lives by faith, not according to anyone’s works or deeds, but that they may have faith that they have a been justified by the father through Christ Jesus, and if the Lord has us in His hand no one can snatch us from Him.
God will allow a lying spirit the have its way with the wicked and the hopelessly apostate. Also, The first Chapter of Romans tells us that people will be 'given over' to wickedness. You get your chance, you cast it aside, God shuts the door and no-one can open it. Those who mock God suffer a similar fate.
If God have mercy to some and not to others, then God is a respecter of person, but the scripture ssid God is not a respecter of person.. Therefote there is a flaw in Calvinism.. The flaw is that John Calvin did not know who are the elect and who are the reprobates, So Calvin inserted his own belief who are the reprobates and who are the elect and create his own theory how the elect comes into being that create more problems and the doctrine of election and predestination becomes evil.. The bible fact is that the elect are the children of God literally and the reprobates are the children of the devil literally as revealed by Jesus in the parable of Wheat and Tares...
@@HaroldZwingley , There is only one reason why you are one of the elect.. You are literally a child of God, a descendant of Adam, a true son of God as revealed by Luke in Luke 3:38.. The reprobates are the children of the devil the descendants of Cain, because Cain is the seed(son) of the serpent as mentioned in Genesis 3:15... Please read the parable of Wheat and Tares in Matthew 13: 24- 43...
RC’s teaching is like sweet music to the ears. It’s just is so good and I praise God for His unconditional election, I never deserved it and never will. I praise God for Him raising up a teacher like RC to help us understand His truth
@skylineFG, RC Sproul is a genius that understand more of the bible than both the Calvinists and Arminians but none of the Calvinists understand the biblical doctrine of Election and Predestinatio including R.C. I can prove it to you...
@@reynaldodavid2913Jo Hahaha. Go ahead. Give it a shot then.
@@SugoiEnglish1 ,
Okay...
@@SugoiEnglish1 , I'm waiting for your response or comment bro...
I am thinking of the song "Jesus ,Jesus, hear my humble cry. When on others thou art calling , do not pass me by ". 🙏
Amen , thanks Mr RC for the true teaching of the word of God. May God continue bless His words and through this teaching may God continue bringing His peoples to His kingdom 🙏🙏🙏
The Basics:. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (NOW!) and thou shalt be saved." Rejectors will not be. Why wouldn't the myriads of similar verses not say "those chosen to believe at the creation of the earth will be saved"? Because it would be an accursed predestined different gospel! Those that do believe are predestined to be conformed to Christ's image. Believe and trust the Bible, not men!
Lying space cadet there are tons of other bible verses hahahahhaa
Your twisted self glorifying misconception of 1 verse does not discount the entire rest of the bible.
He will call his elect from the 4 winds.
Yeah they surprised god the puppet and he post destined them
Jahahahahahha
thanks for Ligonier Ministries
and their noble message..
May i ask what about people who are born with little to no chance of believing? e.g. people born in islam countries, people simply without anyone to preach the gospel to them, babies that die before they were born, mentally disabled people, etc. Do they just automatically go to hell? Also, what part does human will play in if God just predestines us? What is the point of doing anything? Honestly just really curious
@@augustoupkm thanks for answering, but i still have the question of what happens to the people that have no chance of receiving the gospel. Do they receive judgement or mercy?
@@augustoupkm ah, i see. to my incomplete, sinful logic that still feels unfair to me... Hope God forgives my current foolishness🙁
@@grace_lmy It all seems very unfair from the human perspective. But from God's perspective, it isn't. Hard to see it from His perspective though. Not easy to be human.
A lot of Brazilians know R.C. Sproul, every schoolar here that believe in predestination doctrine look for his preachings, and I'll tell you American brothers , the ones that heard this man preaching, had such privilege, thanks Lord for this man's preaching
What a blessing!
And here is proof that God’s choice of his followers has absolutely nothing to do with what they’re going to do in their life……all you have to do is look at the lives of the people that God chose.
Peter denied him three times,
David caused a man to die because he lusted after his wife and he committed adultery with that means wife beforehand,
Jacob deceived,
Moses lacked faith in his ability to speak and on and on and on you go.
God does not choose us because of what we do. He chooses us because he chooses to be merciful to those HE chooses.
WOW! I MEAN……. this knowledge certainly absolutely humbles you and causes you to fall prostrate before God crying and thanking him for choosing you and compelling you to come to him.
God does not call the qualified, He qualifies the called! Amen.
@@Hannah-qy4mm because NONE are qualified
Amen, our Holy Lord & Savior Jesus Christ has the SOVEREIGN right to be MERCIFUL to whomsoever HE chooses! Thank YOU for choosing me, Heavenly Father! You, Dear Lord, used R.C. Sproul to teach the issue of predestination with such clarity! I've been saved 45 years and I'm just now beginning to grasp this! PRAISE ALMIGHTY GOD! I'm eternally grateful!
What about this RC. For by grace (The HOLY SPIRIT's drawing) are ye saved through faith (Man's response to that drawing)! What about that RC! What about that! Looks like both are true! GOD'S calling (grace) and man's response (his Faith). How about that!!!!!! Molinism!!!!!!!!!!
Sproul is a Western reformed theologian!
Consider the following from the Christian EAST!
The MISSING DOCTRINE in the Protestant predestination debate is Eastern Biblical GRACE which is "God working in us" to enable ALL people to be free to receive or reject God's love!
Philippians 2:12-13;
Titus 2:11;
1 Timothy 2:3-6
The order is,
Grace > Repentance/Faith > Life in Christ (regeneration)
Jesus is truly God and truly man! The Bible is about the love of Jesus Christ for all!
John 1:1, 14; 3:16; 1 John 4:8
It is by freely believing IN CHRIST by GRACE that we are chosen and elect IN Christ who is God's beloved Son and the only One chosen!
Luke 9:35;
Ephesians 4, 13;
Romans 8:29
These riches in Christ are a result of our freely repenting and being faithful to Christ, which we can only do by the GRACE of God which is "God working in us!"
1 Corinthians 15:10
Apart from Jesus we can do nothing! John 15:5
But God loves His creation and all people and wants all to be saved!
1 Timothy 2:3-6
In love Jesus willingly died for all in order to raise from the dead to conquer death, sin, and the devil for all!
This is Christus Victor!
Hebrews 2:9, 2:14-15;
1 Corinthians 15:22;
Colossians 1:20
God's loving Grace, which works in all who are dead in sin, enables ALL people to freely choose to love God and be saved!
John 6:65; 12:32-33;
Titus 2:11
But the choice to love God remains in all people!
John 7:17; 11:35
The divine order is:
1) Enabling Grace for all!
John 6:65; 12:32-33; Titus 2:11
2) Our freedom to repent and be faithful to Christ! Acts 17:30-31
3) Being united and made alive with Christ (regeneration)!
John 20:31
What the Calvinist system does not have is God's Grace "working in us to enable us," to be free to choose to be in Christ!
Philippians 2:12-13;
John 6:65, 12:33-33;
Titus 2:11
The Calvinist system cannot answer why Adam was created very good and created in God's image and likeness with a "mysterious free will" and Adam lived in a perfect environment and had the Spirit of God and yet Adam disobeyed God and fell from grace!
Therefore, Christians can also fall from grace! Galatians 5:4
The Calvinist belief that God predestined most to go to hell, and that they are given no grace to freely believe is not the God of the Bible Who is Love!
1 John 4:8
God foreknew all those who would believe in His Son by God's Grace!
God predestined them to be like Christ!
Romans 8:28-30;
Ephesians 1:4-5
God did not determine who would believe in Him and who would not! God’s foreknowledge does not cause man’s choices!
To choose Christ and receive Christ's love for us will be Heaven.
To reject Christ and Christ's love for us will be the experience of Hell!
The predestined reprobates in the Calvinist system never have a chance to experience the love of God! This is injustice!
John 3:16
Calvinists believe that in the atonement God the Father poured out wrath and damned and cut off God His Son on the cross! (See Sproul, McArthur, White, etc. sermons) This is a heresy condemned in the Ecumenical Councils because it splits the Eternal Holy Trinity!
Christ died in order to raise from the dead and destroy death, sin, and the devil on behalf of us all!
And now God commands everyone everywhere by the grace of God to repent!
Acts 17:30-31;
Romans 1:20
If people would just understand that according to the truth of God’s word.
Col.1: 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
In other words its all about God and His pupose.
Rom.9 For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 DOES NOT THE POTTER HAVE POWER OVER THE SAME LUMP TO MAKR ONE VESSEL OF HONOR ANITHER FOR DISHONER?
22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to MAKES HIS POWER KNOWN, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory
“God activity is inactive on the reprobate.” Immediate after reading the verse “I WILL HARDEN WHOM I WILL HARDEN.” Sounds like Yahweh hardens when you just read it at face value. I’m tired of theologians trying to give a 30 minute explanation to what is clear and evident. Also, is not “removing the hands” or “letting go of something” an action!? Come on. If he held pharaoh up by grace he had to make an ACTIVE DECISION to let him go his own way, that requires ACTION on gods part. Yes, Yahweh is author of all.
I really respect this man. But starting at :27 minutes he was more philosophical than Biblical.
I wish he had brought SCRIPTURE for that last opinion.
I would have to be inclined to disagree with him.
I've spoken to many Armenians, and I ask them all the same thing: "Did God put his Holy Spirit in you to influence your decision to come to Him?" and they ALL say a resounding "yes".
This answer is the heart of the doctrine of election. God gives us the Holy Spirit which allows us to be tenderhearted towards Him in order to choose him. Without the influence of the Holy Spirit, we can't make the decision to follow Christ. This is why we pray for the Holy Spirits influence on non-believers.
Salvation is NOT the topic of the election between Esau and Jacob in Paul's Romans 9 epistle? It is found in v4 - He wanted Jacob's lineage to have "the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises;" through which Christ would come. It wasn't about being elected to salvation. How could one go to their death without the promise of full assurance of salvation, if God hasn't told you who you are on the Calvinist plan? That alone, shows its a wrong Gospel.
Believe and live - Believe not and die. Simple.
(John 6:29) Jesus answered and said unto them, *_This is the work of God, that ye believe_* on him whom he hath sent.
(Jas 1:18) *_Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth,_* …
(1Pet 1:23) *_Being born again,_* ... *_by the word of God,_* ...
(1John 5:1) *_Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God,_* ...
(John 3:36) *_He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;_* but the wrath of God abideth on him.
While I have long loved RC and his teaching, it nonetheless irks me that he so loathes Arminianism as if they are the opposing basketball team. Growing up Arminian without having even heard that term until my late teens, I then explored Calvinism as the opposing team and like RC, I could shred their doctrine in defense of my own. Eventually I learned that if I were to be pigeonholed you would have to call me a Calminian. I don’t buy the doctrines of men but simply follow the intent of Scripture. Both “religions” get off course by making their view a religion. From my view BOTH doctrines are right depending on if you are looking at from God’s perspective or Man’s perspective, and both are wrong when you confuse perspectives. If you walk in sin you are not saved. If you are saved you do not walk in sin. (I John 1:6&7). It’s really not that hard to figure out if you just stop focusing on these “religions” and just read your Bible.
Amazing teaching. I finally understand such matters. Thank you so much for sharing these.
For his mercy unending praise to God from India, we are saved by his sovereign election through grace, mercy, blood and foreknowledge of Christ..
Yes Gods purpose. Let us make man in our likeness and image. This before he even made man. So which one would fulfill that purpose Jacob or Esa. Well only God would know so therefore its not about doings but about who is this purpose. And that is the end of it. Don’t make anything more out of it or else you will reason wrongly
No RC, God did not create unbelief. Man chooses to believe or not believe in our Lord Jesus Christ. Are predestination and election biblical? Absolutely! But in accordance with "whosoever will." Who are the elect? Whosoever will!
I agree almost with everything what R.C. teaches. There is one thought though in my mind: I was nat given a chance at my birth to choose between evil and good. I was born with the stigma of sin and death only because some thousands years ago Adam did sin. So, granted, I deserve justice because of my fallen nature. The problem is - I was never asked if I embrace the fallen nature. So it means I take the fall for someone else's sin unless God offers me a hand.
Just as we all sinned being IN ADAM, we are justified being IN CHRIST in his death and resurrection.
If your Born from above..
@yousuf nairang it is not enough to say “I don’t agree with him” to meaningfully rebuke someone.
His argument is based on the teachings of the Scripture. If you want to rebuke him, you have to prove at least that his argument is faulty…
You say "it means I take the fall for someone else's sin" as if to say you've never committed sin before.
If you've sinned at all, you deserve eternal damnation in hell, apart from the redeeming grace of Christ.
And all people are born sinning.
@@justinmadison513 I think that's what the poster was saying here...'why should Adam's sin be imputed upon him to begin with'...as he the poster, thinks it's unfair he had no say-so in the matter. Anyway, I think that's what he's trying to say.
Roman's chapter 9 is not something that is taught on much. I've heard this was directed twordes God's choice of races, gentiles over Isreal for example. But this study seemed to me to be taught truthfully. Why does it not get taught this way?
I am brought to remember the crucifixion of Christ. It was custom for the governor to let the people choose one person to be freed from execution. There was no question in principle that the others were not treated unjustly because the one was treated with mercy.
And how unrighteous is man's mercy, where the innocent is shown none and the guilty is set free
The example of Jacob and Esau is of two nations. God later Changes Jacobs name to Israel. Then Esau repersents Edom. "Esau is Edom" 2 nations Israel was elected and predestined to be the chosen race. Then Paul cleares up that all who call on the name of the lord are decendents of israel children of faith. The way predestination is described is meant not individually but as a nation. Whoever confesses with there mouth jesus is lord and belives in there heart God raised him from the dead will be saved. They are part of the children of israel by faith. RC did not explain that here. never the less RC is a great teacher I am thankfull for his ministry
Why are you so infatic about thos teaching. You just want to prove your point which is prideful. What has this yo do with savation. Why oreach this? How dies it help anyone come ti repentance. This is an awful teaching.
How is “letting go” of Pharoah’s heart passive or different than the alternative stated?
I have been foolish enough to think I deserved to be saved....... even by listening to the Gospel many times I still refused to understand
Yes, God is the ultimate cause of unbelief because He foreordained the fall of Adam.
Election and reprobation are flip sides of God's one eternal decree. Both are equally ultimate because God ordained it all.