Wiseman is on that Bagley path where he could be a solid bench big but high level starter hopes are almost gone. Definitely a bust, but not out of the league. Johnny Davis is confusingly bad on the NBA level, he'll prolly get that overseas bag after this contract. I think Zaire Williams could still make a jump to be a sixth man type guy personally but we'll see. Josh is absolutely cooked, even if he were a better player he's damaged goods in a way the league doesn't mess with (what he did was highly confusing and concerning)
Wiseman was skills bro it's not his fault he got hurt on a golden state team trying to win now he's a big who can hit the 3 and has decent rebounding numbers
It took looney several years of on and off injury list. He sat for awhile! Too bad Kerr didn’t give wiseman a chance. Can you imagine if Poole and kuminga and wiseman were on the warriors now. They would be unstoppable.
Give me a good example in the NBA. Remember having a relatively long career but bench role player in the nba for a top-3 pick isnt a redemption.... and chauncey billups averaged double figures in his first 4 seasons.
@@doubaya2959 Ben Wallace went undrafted, NeNe took six years to hit his 7 year prime, Goran Dragic started 8 games in his first 3 seasons, and Jermaine O'Neal was the 17th overall pick in 1996 and averaged 7 PPG in his first 5 seasons before making 6 straight all-star games. Also, Billups was on 4 teams in his first 5 years, a very shakey and uncertain start to an eventual hall of fame career. (Technically a HOFer-i personally think he is in the "hall of very great", I dont think he should be in the hall)
I think it’s also time for the bulls to give up on Patrick Williams looking back on it that Kawhi and PG comparison was just god awful absolutely hilarious
He still has all the tools to succeed, he's just had stiff luck with injuries and having to play as a spot up guy for Zach Lavine, Demar and Vuc his entire career. He's never been given a fair run on offense to see what he can do, his defense is pretty great also and looks like it'll only get better
@@aidanharrington9892 I hear all that and coming from a Chicago native myself I understand but I just don’t see what made the bulls take him 4th if he was drafted mid to late first round ok but dude showed nothing in college to be worthy of going that high he came off the bench every year he played at Florida and average only 9 points ain’t no way in hell that screams let me take this guy 4th overall bulls took a risk and missed horribly
@@Kota_almighty he was projected to go 6-8 range, they tried to trade down for him but didn't find any suitable trades so just took him 4th wasnt a huge reach back then
Patrick Williams is a good player lol i would love him on my team good 3 and D player but hasn't showed that star potential but will still be a really good role player for years to come at least.
Yep. So true. If you can't play, NBA isn't into developing "old guys." The G League is for developing 19-22 year olds. If you hit 24, and still haven't carved out a solid bench role, 1. 2. 3. Shanghai!!
@@Thomas-j3e You might be on to something. Jermaine O’Neal was considered a bust until he was traded to Indiana years ago. After that he became a multiple time all-star and an All-NBA player.
@@lmcc0072I have been following him since he got drafted. He flashes greatness but he lacks the consistency. When he puts it all together. Better watch thanks for you comments.
I thunk Wiseman gonna be really good this year with the pacers something about their system that make players better could be Halliburton but obi and Smith both really looked good with them even tho i thought obi was a better fit with the Knicks than Randle that playoff run that they had with him so he was already going up
Seems like drafting a big (with exception of freak of nature Wembanyama) at top of draft almost never works out well. Could continue with Sarr this year
James Wiseman is going to be just fine in Indiana in a consistent defined role off of the bench this season. Perhaps people had too high expectations on him to begin with. I still believe he can be a 10-10 big man in the NBA. Plus, he can shoot the 3. He's not a bust, far from it.
Fr I hate these bloggers who never even played an organized game in their life. Like damn majority of players don’t fully develop until the 5 year mark and then some times if depends on the scheme of the team that affects development
Sometimes it’s about who drafts you and how you’re developed. Sometimes it takes guys a little longer, especially if they get drafted by the wrong team. Look at Jermaine O’Neal. He literally did nothing during the first 4 years of his career. He became a solid rotation player in his 5th year and then a multiple time all-star and All-NBA player after that. The problem is also part of the way that the NBA does business. It’s much more difficult to see if a guy will make it when he’s 18 or 19 rather than at 21-22.
1. I agree it is time to give up the possibility of Wiseman to turn into a lottery pick player, but I still think he can be an (above) average backup center, like a Gorgei Deng/Plumlee/Richaun Holmes. 2. Jonny who? I agree. 3. I kinda liked Ziaire but there wasn't any room for him on those Grizzlies teams, kinda like you said. I still think he could be a borderline starter, like an Al Foruq Aminu/Demare Carroll. If Ziaire was drafted in the 2nd round, people would be like "ya, he's alright". 4. I agree.
Josh is a formal student of mine. I was really dishearten to hear the allegation against him. He was such a respectful and nice young man. I was excited to see he got drafted. I am really sad to see his downfall. He was such a sweet kid, really sad to hear what happened to his career.
James Wiseman has one Title on his legacy already. If he develops along the lines of JaVale McGee, Wiseman ends up with 4 Championship Rings and earns a couple of hundred minimum. BUST!! HUH? WHAT?
To think that Primo had a strong chance to be the PG for Wemby for his entire career and he ruined it still baffles me. That is a bag you can't get back
Last year wiseman was top 30 in rebounds per game in just one thousand minutes. He grab 2 contested rebounds a game. He does not belong in this video as a bust. You’re gonna owe him an apology next season. Go Pacers.
And that’s about where the good qualities end. He’s shockingly slow and has very poor basketball IQ, will probably never be a high level defender, can’t space the floor. I don’t know what you see in him
The spurs were about to hand over the keys to primo in his second year, which is scary to think about. We had just offloaded Derrick White and Dejounte Murray. But now we have Wemby, so I’m happy.
I wouldn’t officially shut the door on wiseman…. Pacers have a way of boosting the trajectory of young players careers. For example: jalen smith, Obi toppin, Aaron Nesmith etc. Ironically all from the 2020 draft class.
James Wiseman is 23. Maybe he can craft a good enough game to be a reliable backup. Of all the guys on this list, he's the most likely to my to stay in the league the longest. Ziaire Williams is 2nd.
I've seen players learn new offensive skills. I have never seen some "all of a sudden" learn to play defense. Wiseman is a defensive sieve, and just can't be on the court. He plays 8th grade defense ("I am taller and faster than you, I am.just gonna go up and block your shot"). Any pump fakes gets him to commit a foul. Sad, but true. Offensively, he's Ok at times. He might have had a long career in the 90s. Then again, Shaq and Olajuwan would have abused him, so who knows
Have you been watching wiseman? He was top 30 in rebounds last year only playing 1 thousand minutes. Don’t give up on him takes awhile for bigs to figure it out.
You’re a Wiseman Hater! Wiseman been working hard. Bigs take time to figure it out. He can run the floor and protect the rim and Dunk with the Best of them.
Normally that would be true. 2nd overall picks usually have the team built around them and time to develop into the system. The warriors did not give him the opportunity. With detroit he started 25 games in 2022-2023 scored 12 points and 8 rebounds per game. There defense we t from 30th to 15th in games he started. Last year Detroit refused to start him over duren there 1st round pick. Turner said he will take him under his wing and develop him into the player everyone wants him to be. Go pacers!
One thing with wiseman was coming into the league, he never had a skill that made him stand out. Most of what made him a high draft prospect is the potential that he can be good at everything but with that, he wasn’t good at anything and didn’t do anything at an elite level.
Mavs fan here. Rick Carlise is horrible at playing rookies. However he has done well with players who have been busts on other teams. It could work well for Wiseman. It’s going to be tough for Wiseman to overtake PT from Myles Turner even if he figures it out.
Here in memphis it has been sad to watch Wiseman's career, it has been destroyed by a lack of development. Penny killed his college career by challenging the NCAA. Then the 'rebuilding' GSW team changed course and he was hurt &/or on the bench for two years. So 4 years into the NBA, he has far less experience than the average G league player, after 2 years on a DOA Pistons team to be disheartened further. Basketball IQ = experience to a large degree, he just hasn't gotten much for his time in the league. I think there's still a chance for him to be a decent utility player, but at this point, never the star he seemed destined to be.
To think the Warriors wasted the #2 overall draft pick on draft bust James Wiseman, when Tyrese Halliburton was available. Wiseman is the top NBA draft bust of all-time because unlike Sam Bowie and Greg Odom, Wiseman was not injured. He just sucks at this whole "Basketball-Thing" which probably influenced Bob Myers the former Warriors' GM to resign the following year.
James wiseman is not a Bust. 2nd overall picks usually have the team built around them and give them time to develop. He had a major knee injury kept him out the championship season. Warriors failed James. Wiseman started 25 games in 2022-2023 season played 25 min a game scoring 12 points 8 rebounds a game. Defense went from 30th to 15 in games he started. Last year he played 68 games finally healthy. He was top 30 in rebounds and contested two rebounds per game. Detroit wanted duren to start. Monte williams made wiseman compete for minutes. He won the back up spot. Go pacers.
@@Thomas-j3e Wasting a #2 overall pick on a guy who GM Bob Myers had to send down to the G-League to learn how to play basketball. He was traded after only 2 seasons with GS.
Gm Bob Myers left because klay thompson refused come off the bench and Green punched Poole. Bob Myers set up the team with Poole, wiseman and kuminga. That lineup would have been gold with curry and would have competed for championships into the future. Wiseman needed time he did not play in college. Go Pacers.
@@Thomas-j3e Bob Myers left because the Warriors were hopelessly over the salary cap and could not afford to bring in top talent. He failed to resign hardly any of the top role players form their championship team. Plus after he wasted their only chance to level up by wasting #2 overall pick on Wiseman, he'd had enough. At least if he had traded the #2 pick he could have gotten something out of it, instead of nothing at all.
High school baseball players are beginning to go overseas to foreign leagues instead of going to college. Is that a possibility in the NBA? Imagine someone with the potential of Flagg going to Europe and developing for a few years then coming to the NBA to dominate. I don’t know I’m crazy
Lamelo at the sg and klay at the sf with steph and draymond would've been unstoppable all shooting and play making plus he would've been perfect for now klay feel off from injuries him and steph is a mean back court
Some YT analyst did a video claiming Wiseman advanced analytics were similar to Isaiah Hartenstein, although obviously over much less minutes. Pistons are a messed up team with a logjam at big man. Wiseman is very young and had a very short basketball career, definitely a draft bust #2 pick, but I wouldn't wright him out of the league just yet though he is on the bubble.
Wiseman kinda sneakily could be a good role player. Just needs to focus his defensive IQ and finishing around the rim. Go down that Hassan Whiteside track
Wiseman started 24 games in 2022-2023 for Detroit averaged 12 points a game 8 rebounds in 25 min. Defense went from 30th in league to 15th in games he started. Gonna ball out in Indiana.
Wiseman - hard to see if he either too stupid to figure it out or doesn't care enough to figure it out. All he needs to do is focus on defense and he has a role in this league for a long time, making more money then he'll ever make after the NBA. I don't know that anyone is telling him that. Just play defense! With that body he can rebound, block shots, and defend well. The offense will come when it does, it should NOT be his focus. Plenty of other guys who can shoot the lights out. Who is his agent? Some creepy guy in a plaid blazer and a greasy ponytail and cheap sunglasses? Probably.
I'd wait one more year to see if Wiseman works out with the Pacers.. They've already turned the careers around of Obi Toppin, Jalen Smith, and Aaron Nesmith, all of whom were considered lottery pick busts or borderline busts from the 2020 draft.
Obi played the exact same way on the Pacers as he did on the Knicks just got a lil more playing time 😂 he wasn’t only considered a “bust” to casuals that hate the Knicks 😂
To me it shows ignorance to say its over for wiseman. If the Pacers can't get him to get closer to his potential then definitely give up. Remember the pacers got trolled saying we traded brogdon for a paper clip and nesmith turned around. Others had a renaissance too.
Well that's what happens when you draft players on potential or one and done college players or they blow up over a 1/2 year period and to may people in their ears telling them they are ready for the NBA only to realise they are simply not
Why is wiseman on your list He was top 30 in rebounds and grabbed two contested rebounds per game. Scored 7 points a game in 13 minutes per game.Played in 68 games for a total of 1 thousand minutes. Take him off your list. He competed for playing minutes. Won the back up spot.
@@ChocolateAfterDark that doesn't mean he's done, I doubt any of those teams ever really figured out how to incorporate him instead of just considering damaged goods
Wisemen ! If watch the tape he two slow from decision making and being big men ! He probably at best like he said a bench center also I don’t see anything special he not better then Ayton the eye test just looks like a tall guy who made it the next level !!
Primo can come back, he just picked the worst team to join in the Clippers. A team so deep at SG that he was guaranteed 0 minutes. The charges against him dropped and the details make it pretty obvious he didn't do anything wrong except not wear underwear with his shorts.
i think he did what he did, it was not really an underwear problem, they probably paid to get this buried in an attempt to save his carreer. He himself said he needed to work on his mental health, someone who is innocent doesnt go around saying stuff like that.
You clearly didn’t watch Wiseman last year. He definitely improved even in Monty’s disfunction. I wonder if your opinion of him would be the same if he was a Sixer instead
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Wiseman is on that Bagley path where he could be a solid bench big but high level starter hopes are almost gone. Definitely a bust, but not out of the league. Johnny Davis is confusingly bad on the NBA level, he'll prolly get that overseas bag after this contract. I think Zaire Williams could still make a jump to be a sixth man type guy personally but we'll see. Josh is absolutely cooked, even if he were a better player he's damaged goods in a way the league doesn't mess with (what he did was highly confusing and concerning)
Nah bro with time and if he can improve I can see Primo on a team. Talent trumps issues. But we will see
@@eugenealexander5607 Good point. Then again, he could get a bag and find success overseas if just wanted to go that route
It's way too soon to call him a bust when he's only 22
Wiseman gonna ball out in Indiana!
Wiseman was skills bro it's not his fault he got hurt on a golden state team trying to win now he's a big who can hit the 3 and has decent rebounding numbers
Josh Primo was developing very well in San Antonio. He was likely a starter going forward, but he couldn't control himself.
I mean, that was his point
He was terrible lol
He was a Master Baiter
Primo was not developing. Ya are blind to stat sheets smh
I remember when I thought Poole, Wiseman, PBJ, Moody & Kuminga was the future of the Warriors 😔
It took looney several years of on and off injury list. He sat for awhile! Too bad Kerr didn’t give wiseman a chance. Can you imagine if Poole and kuminga and wiseman were on the warriors now. They would be unstoppable.
remember eric paschall
Should have drafted Ball
Shoutout to Warriors legend Nico Mannion.
I’m already looking at tickets for the December 23 warriors vs pacers game. Very pricey right now.
I believe in a redemption story
I dont
Redemption starts in the G League
Give me a good example in the NBA. Remember having a relatively long career but bench role player in the nba for a top-3 pick isnt a redemption.... and chauncey billups averaged double figures in his first 4 seasons.
@@doubaya2959
Ben Wallace went undrafted, NeNe took six years to hit his 7 year prime, Goran Dragic started 8 games in his first 3 seasons, and Jermaine O'Neal was the 17th overall pick in 1996 and averaged 7 PPG in his first 5 seasons before making 6 straight all-star games. Also, Billups was on 4 teams in his first 5 years, a very shakey and uncertain start to an eventual hall of fame career. (Technically a HOFer-i personally think he is in the "hall of very great", I dont think he should be in the hall)
For everybody though?
I think it’s also time for the bulls to give up on Patrick Williams looking back on it that Kawhi and PG comparison was just god awful absolutely hilarious
He still has all the tools to succeed, he's just had stiff luck with injuries and having to play as a spot up guy for Zach Lavine, Demar and Vuc his entire career. He's never been given a fair run on offense to see what he can do, his defense is pretty great also and looks like it'll only get better
@@aidanharrington9892 I hear all that and coming from a Chicago native myself I understand but I just don’t see what made the bulls take him 4th if he was drafted mid to late first round ok but dude showed nothing in college to be worthy of going that high he came off the bench every year he played at Florida and average only 9 points ain’t no way in hell that screams let me take this guy 4th overall bulls took a risk and missed horribly
@@Kota_almighty he was projected to go 6-8 range, they tried to trade down for him but didn't find any suitable trades so just took him 4th wasnt a huge reach back then
why he always at pf?? bulls dont know what they doin
Patrick Williams is a good player lol i would love him on my team good 3 and D player but hasn't showed that star potential but will still be a really good role player for years to come at least.
Wiseman can be like a Hassan Whiteside type of role when whiteside was playing good
"When Whiteside was good" was when he was putting up empty stats.
Whiteside could put up stats because he had some court awareness, I don't see that with Wiseman
Wiseman has no defensive processing or awareness. That’s why he can’t play.
Bring him back to Memphis
@@jjmcg9688whiteside didn’t love the game that’s why he didn’t do great outside of 2016-2018 he got his bag and said I give up
This is your "signature series".
Josh Primo was emerging on and off the court before he got cut.
The competition in the NBA is so fierce and cutthroat you need to figure things out really quick or some fresh talent will replace you lol
Yep. So true. If you can't play, NBA isn't into developing "old guys." The G League is for developing 19-22 year olds. If you hit 24, and still haven't carved out a solid bench role, 1. 2. 3. Shanghai!!
@johnreesekl6249 Dudes are crashing out quick. You have to figure your shit out fast in the league.
When leaving college early this is the rusult of some
Wiseman is only 23 years old gonna have a break out year this season in Indiana!
@@Thomas-j3e You might be on to something. Jermaine O’Neal was considered a bust until he was traded to Indiana years ago. After that he became a multiple time all-star and an All-NBA player.
@@lmcc0072I have been following him since he got drafted. He flashes greatness but he lacks the consistency. When he puts it all together. Better watch thanks for you comments.
Call me crazy but I still think Wiseman can get it together and be good eventually. Same goes for bol bol
I had high hopes for Josh Primo's development. But I'm over that now, Wemby is better.
Isn’t Primo basically “the Deep” personality wise?
James Wiseman is so skilled
I thunk Wiseman gonna be really good this year with the pacers something about their system that make players better could be Halliburton but obi and Smith both really looked good with them even tho i thought obi was a better fit with the Knicks than Randle that playoff run that they had with him so he was already going up
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Seems like drafting a big (with exception of freak of nature Wembanyama) at top of draft almost never works out well. Could continue with Sarr this year
James Wiseman is going to be just fine in Indiana in a consistent defined role off of the bench this season. Perhaps people had too high expectations on him to begin with. I still believe he can be a 10-10 big man in the NBA. Plus, he can shoot the 3. He's not a bust, far from it.
bros acting like they should retire. nba isnt the only league in the world that pays you they are young theyre good bro
Fr I hate these bloggers who never even played an organized game in their life. Like damn majority of players don’t fully develop until the 5 year mark and then some times if depends on the scheme of the team that affects development
Sometimes it’s about who drafts you and how you’re developed. Sometimes it takes guys a little longer, especially if they get drafted by the wrong team. Look at Jermaine O’Neal. He literally did nothing during the first 4 years of his career. He became a solid rotation player in his 5th year and then a multiple time all-star and All-NBA player after that. The problem is also part of the way that the NBA does business. It’s much more difficult to see if a guy will make it when he’s 18 or 19 rather than at 21-22.
THE BASS TOWARD THE END OF VIDEO GOES CRAZY! 8:10
I’m close to busting too I ain’t gon make it pro
The label "Bust" only occurs when expectation is set to high.
I'm close to busting but I don't even play basketball
1. I agree it is time to give up the possibility of Wiseman to turn into a lottery pick player, but I still think he can be an (above) average backup center, like a Gorgei Deng/Plumlee/Richaun Holmes.
2. Jonny who? I agree.
3. I kinda liked Ziaire but there wasn't any room for him on those Grizzlies teams, kinda like you said. I still think he could be a borderline starter, like an Al Foruq Aminu/Demare Carroll. If Ziaire was drafted in the 2nd round, people would be like "ya, he's alright".
4. I agree.
Josh is a formal student of mine. I was really dishearten to hear the allegation against him. He was such a respectful and nice young man. I was excited to see he got drafted. I am really sad to see his downfall. He was such a sweet kid, really sad to hear what happened to his career.
James Wiseman has one Title on his legacy already. If he develops along the lines of JaVale McGee, Wiseman ends up with 4 Championship Rings and earns a couple of hundred minimum.
BUST!! HUH? WHAT?
To think that Primo had a strong chance to be the PG for Wemby for his entire career and he ruined it still baffles me. That is a bag you can't get back
Last year wiseman was top 30 in rebounds per game in just one thousand minutes. He grab 2 contested rebounds a game. He does not belong in this video as a bust. You’re gonna owe him an apology next season. Go Pacers.
And that’s about where the good qualities end. He’s shockingly slow and has very poor basketball IQ, will probably never be a high level defender, can’t space the floor. I don’t know what you see in him
Happy birthday Ziare Williams!
all 4 are correct, but wiseman might actually have a chance this season in indy kind of like how jalen smith bounced back
It's amazing that guys like Wayman Tisdale, Tyler Hansbrough, and Jared Sullinger could be so dominant in college and such busts in the NBA.
The spurs were about to hand over the keys to primo in his second year, which is scary to think about. We had just offloaded Derrick White and Dejounte Murray. But now we have Wemby, so I’m happy.
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I wouldn’t officially shut the door on wiseman…. Pacers have a way of boosting the trajectory of young players careers. For example: jalen smith, Obi toppin, Aaron Nesmith etc.
Ironically all from the 2020 draft class.
James Wiseman is 23. Maybe he can craft a good enough game to be a reliable backup. Of all the guys on this list, he's the most likely to my to stay in the league the longest. Ziaire Williams is 2nd.
I've seen players learn new offensive skills. I have never seen some "all of a sudden" learn to play defense. Wiseman is a defensive sieve, and just can't be on the court. He plays 8th grade defense ("I am taller and faster than you, I am.just gonna go up and block your shot"). Any pump fakes gets him to commit a foul. Sad, but true. Offensively, he's Ok at times. He might have had a long career in the 90s. Then again, Shaq and Olajuwan would have abused him, so who knows
Have you been watching wiseman? He was top 30 in rebounds last year only playing 1 thousand minutes. Don’t give up on him takes awhile for bigs to figure it out.
I appreciate the analysis and channel, but why dont you show credits for the gameplay videos you use in your videos? 🤔
I always thought it would be funny to do an animorphs cover of James Wiseman turning into Hasheem Thabeet
You’re a Wiseman Hater! Wiseman been working hard. Bigs take time to figure it out. He can run the floor and protect the rim and Dunk with the Best of them.
Not when you’re the #2 pick!! He’s a bust. He’ll hang around the league awhile because of his size though.
Normally that would be true. 2nd overall picks usually have the team built around them and time to develop into the system. The warriors did not give him the opportunity. With detroit he started 25 games in 2022-2023 scored 12 points and 8 rebounds per game. There defense we t from 30th to 15th in games he started. Last year Detroit refused to start him over duren there 1st round pick. Turner said he will take him under his wing and develop him into the player everyone wants him to be. Go pacers!
One thing with wiseman was coming into the league, he never had a skill that made him stand out. Most of what made him a high draft prospect is the potential that he can be good at everything but with that, he wasn’t good at anything and didn’t do anything at an elite level.
Wiseman isn’t even 23 yet 😭 he isn’t a bust
Yes he is lol the guy is terrible he just catch lobs and pick up some easy rebounds he does nothing else well.
Wiseman is a baller. Gonna ball out in Indiana! Haliburton and McConnell gonna be feeding him the ball for a Dunk fest year.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622he's still a young big and in the right situation he can thrive
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 I gave up on him 2 years ago.
Mavs fan here. Rick Carlise is horrible at playing rookies. However he has done well with players who have been busts on other teams. It could work well for Wiseman. It’s going to be tough for Wiseman to overtake PT from Myles Turner even if he figures it out.
I don’t know what the Clippers were thinking signing Primo and Kai back to back. Primo especially does not deserve a second chance after what he did
They woulda been the best young players they have
Back to back 10th picks bustin on this video is wild!!!!😂😂
Here in memphis it has been sad to watch Wiseman's career, it has been destroyed by a lack of development. Penny killed his college career by challenging the NCAA. Then the 'rebuilding' GSW team changed course and he was hurt &/or on the bench for two years. So 4 years into the NBA, he has far less experience than the average G league player, after 2 years on a DOA Pistons team to be disheartened further. Basketball IQ = experience to a large degree, he just hasn't gotten much for his time in the league. I think there's still a chance for him to be a decent utility player, but at this point, never the star he seemed destined to be.
But are they on the verge of busting?
I know I am
they’re edging
Wiseman gonna ball out in Indiana!Go Pacers!
NBA champion Jonathan Wiseman.
Where's Ben Simmons?
i think everyone’s given up on him since the 76s collapse
I think he's got a good shot at winning rookie of the year this next season
He's not young is he?
This is 2024
In the 🗑️
To think the Warriors wasted the #2 overall draft pick on draft bust James Wiseman, when Tyrese Halliburton was available. Wiseman is the top NBA draft bust of all-time because unlike Sam Bowie and Greg Odom, Wiseman was not injured. He just sucks at this whole "Basketball-Thing" which probably influenced Bob Myers the former Warriors' GM to resign the following year.
James wiseman is not a Bust. 2nd overall picks usually have the team built around them and give them time to develop. He had a major knee injury kept him out the championship season. Warriors failed James. Wiseman started 25 games in 2022-2023 season played 25 min a game scoring 12 points 8 rebounds a game. Defense went from 30th to 15 in games he started. Last year he played 68 games finally healthy. He was top 30 in rebounds and contested two rebounds per game. Detroit wanted duren to start. Monte williams made wiseman compete for minutes. He won the back up spot. Go pacers.
@@Thomas-j3e Wasting a #2 overall pick on a guy who GM Bob Myers had to send down to the G-League to learn how to play basketball. He was traded after only 2 seasons with GS.
Gm Bob Myers left because klay thompson refused come off the bench and Green punched Poole. Bob Myers set up the team with Poole, wiseman and kuminga. That lineup would have been gold with curry and would have competed for championships into the future. Wiseman needed time he did not play in college. Go Pacers.
@@Thomas-j3e Bob Myers left because the Warriors were hopelessly over the salary cap and could not afford to bring in top talent. He failed to resign hardly any of the top role players form their championship team. Plus after he wasted their only chance to level up by wasting #2 overall pick on Wiseman, he'd had enough. At least if he had traded the #2 pick he could have gotten something out of it, instead of nothing at all.
Redemption is true BUT it depends on the player's mindset (IF HE REALLY WANTS IT)
Him and Killian Hayes should have been in the Gleague or at least Euroleague already just to develop
Wiseman gonna ball out in Indiana.
the younger a player is when they start getting publicly hyped the less likely they are to go on to have a significant career in the nba
James Wiseman's problem is his court awareness, his basketball IQ. But talent and physical tools definitely he's way up there..
Not the Taco Bell guy 😂
I'm not giving up on wiseman. I think he has serious potential to be a solid backup big
Wiseman gonna ball out in Indiana.
High school baseball players are beginning to go overseas to foreign leagues instead of going to college. Is that a possibility in the NBA? Imagine someone with the potential of Flagg going to Europe and developing for a few years then coming to the NBA to dominate. I don’t know I’m crazy
Now that I think about it my warriors should have drafted lamelo ball instead of wiseman
actually they should've traded that pick for win now players.
Lamelo at the sg and klay at the sf with steph and draymond would've been unstoppable all shooting and play making plus he would've been perfect for now klay feel off from injuries him and steph is a mean back court
@@sylviaadkins6208 facts and melo passing
Melo would have been a perfect long term Klay Replacement.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 yea the scoring and passing the versatility to help curry
NOT YET for ziare bro bro owns the bucks go back & watch
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Some YT analyst did a video claiming Wiseman advanced analytics were similar to Isaiah Hartenstein, although obviously over much less minutes. Pistons are a messed up team with a logjam at big man. Wiseman is very young and had a very short basketball career, definitely a draft bust #2 pick, but I wouldn't wright him out of the league just yet though he is on the bubble.
Wiseman kinda sneakily could be a good role player. Just needs to focus his defensive IQ and finishing around the rim. Go down that Hassan Whiteside track
Zaire still got potential as a 3&D player
30% shooting isn’t good enough
Wiseman started 24 games in 2022-2023 for Detroit averaged 12 points a game 8 rebounds in 25 min. Defense went from 30th in league to 15th in games he started. Gonna ball out in Indiana.
Wiseman - hard to see if he either too stupid to figure it out or doesn't care enough to figure it out. All he needs to do is focus on defense and he has a role in this league for a long time, making more money then he'll ever make after the NBA. I don't know that anyone is telling him that. Just play defense! With that body he can rebound, block shots, and defend well. The offense will come when it does, it should NOT be his focus. Plenty of other guys who can shoot the lights out.
Who is his agent? Some creepy guy in a plaid blazer and a greasy ponytail and cheap sunglasses? Probably.
Nah wiseman gone fit with the pacers
James Wiseman GOT SO MUCH POTENTIAL
Wiseman gonna ball out in Indiana. Go Pacers!
Nah. He has no head and his IQ is 50 on the court
Wise, man
First time I’ve heard of Johnny Davis 😂
I'd wait one more year to see if Wiseman works out with the Pacers.. They've already turned the careers around of Obi Toppin, Jalen Smith, and Aaron Nesmith, all of whom were considered lottery pick busts or borderline busts from the 2020 draft.
Wiseman is the perfect fit in Indiana. Gonna run the floor and protect the rim. Go Pacers!
Obi played the exact same way on the Pacers as he did on the Knicks just got a lil more playing time 😂 he wasn’t only considered a “bust” to casuals that hate the Knicks 😂
To me it shows ignorance to say its over for wiseman. If the Pacers can't get him to get closer to his potential then definitely give up. Remember the pacers got trolled saying we traded brogdon for a paper clip and nesmith turned around. Others had a renaissance too.
It is really disorienting to watch a video on players to give up on, but all of the clips show these same players drilling 3 pointers. LOL
Dudes at the Rec center can literally do that.
I’m not giving up on Williams when he never really had a shot to let him develop
The bulls have been terrible. He's had all the chances in the world
@@X-2357-GandalfTheGreen I do agree.. this is the year for him to prove himself… he has no Demar there… he needs to step up..
Surprised you didn’t have Markelle Fultz on here
I thought a certain number 1 pick would’ve been on this list (Not Zion)
Well that's what happens when you draft players on potential or one and done college players or they blow up over a 1/2 year period and to may people in their ears telling them they are ready for the NBA only to realise they are simply not
What happened to Zhaire Wade tho
His father transitioned him into a girl
Why is wiseman on your list He was top 30 in rebounds and grabbed two contested rebounds per game. Scored 7 points a game in 13 minutes per game.Played in 68 games for a total of 1 thousand minutes. Take him off your list. He competed for playing minutes. Won the back up spot.
Bruh James Wiseman is only TWENTY-TWO
And he’s been on three teams already.
@@ChocolateAfterDark that doesn't mean he's done, I doubt any of those teams ever really figured out how to incorporate him instead of just considering damaged goods
i feel like james wiseman had a high celing he just was always injured
Josh primo 😂😂
Isn’t Josh on the clippers
Right
He got waived
5. Cam
Ayooo what do you mean back to back 10th pick busting 😂😂
Yikes. Can we not have a nuanced discussion without talking about “giving up” on these young athletes who are probably going through it already?
NOT GIVING UP ON WISEMAN
J Dub has all the attributes to be elite with the exception of basketball iq. .homeboy be boppin round the court like a headless chicken
Then your insane, he's one of the worst players we've ever seen.
Now davis is a bust the wizards aren't giving him a new deal
Wisemen ! If watch the tape he two slow from decision making and being big men ! He probably at best like he said a bench center also I don’t see anything special he not better then Ayton the eye test just looks like a tall guy who made it the next level !!
Basically, they need to go to college to develop
Who the hell is Johnny Davis 😂😂😂
"Back to back 10th overall picks busting in this video" 🤨 5:05
Primo can come back, he just picked the worst team to join in the Clippers. A team so deep at SG that he was guaranteed 0 minutes. The charges against him dropped and the details make it pretty obvious he didn't do anything wrong except not wear underwear with his shorts.
i think he did what he did, it was not really an underwear problem, they probably paid to get this buried in an attempt to save his carreer. He himself said he needed to work on his mental health, someone who is innocent doesnt go around saying stuff like that.
Why blame these players? Blame the teams who drafted them. Blame the scouts who didn't do their jobs properly.
You clearly didn’t watch Wiseman last year. He definitely improved even in Monty’s disfunction. I wonder if your opinion of him would be the same if he was a Sixer instead
As a pistons fan he's ass bro
It’s time for him to put the fries in the bag
There’s always a wiseman believer
No he didn’t bruh stop lyin
@@seandaniels7938Oh hn u a Pistons fan y’all nvr winning a chip gl tho bro
I knew wiseman was done when he couldn’t make it in GS.
If they quit the one and done to stop watering the league down with trash product is an idea
Johnny Davis is the third best player on the Wizards. It is the Wizards though.
Johnny DAVIS NEEDS TO COME TO DETROIT PISTONS
Haha!! Noooo. I knew he wasn’t nothing special in college. He’s a bust.
@@ChocolateAfterDark Johnny Davis is Nice!
Wiseman gonna ball out in Indiana. Go Pacers!
Hope Primo can work on his game and get back on a team
The Pacers will revive Wiseman’s career. Like they have done with so many others