St. Charles County man buys car, discovers odometer wrong by 100,000 miles
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ก.พ. 2020
- A St. Charles County man bought a car off Craigslist and later found out the odometer had been rolled back by 100,000 miles. How can you determine if the mileage on a car you're buying is correct?
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“If you would like to talk like a man…… give me a call” 😂😂 I thought he was finna say pull up no cameras or something 😂
That is what that means. he wants to have the conversation off camera. The news reporter should have agreed to that and then stated what the conversation entailed afterwards. Seems like the buyer is shady too. A shady seller and a shady buyer is likely what happened meaning the buyer knew some of this already but went along because he thought he was getting a good deal
Not if you paid 8 Grand for that vehicle that vehicle is not worth 8 Grand not with 240,000 miles on it@@cjking4511
Santamaria is a career criminal. He does this on a daily basis.
Middle man curbed the car, rolled back the miles and sold it for more money.
“be like a man “ and call me back. Bro you be the Man and talk ! Scammer !
And also make sure the VIN matches on the title and the car. I almost bought a car with the correct model on the title but wrong VIN.
The feds really need to step up their game on odometer scammers. Those who fall victim to these scams should still be allowed to register the vehicle. Its not their fault the odometer was messed with. Just put on the title that the true milage is unknown due to tampering.
"The feds really need to step up"
According to today's news, if Trump wins the election, he plans to downsize the Federal Government and make all Federal employees be loyal to him. Still waiting for the Feds to do something? If so, be careful who you vote for during the next election.
John, read my experience above. There is no fixing it. The agencies in place don’t care!
Feds get kickbacks too
@@michaelwilson939 "Feds get kickbacks too"
Proof of this ?
@@matt9c1 the voices in his head
Odometer fraud really hurts the buyer. Paid more than it’s worth and can’t drive the car.
Whole America is fraud open your eyes
@@Fume1337 for sure
Just got a car fax on my Honda. Odometer reads 111k but carfax last service was done in 2020 and my Honda had 180k!!! Previous services all say 143k , 160k ..smh I feel so cheated
@@k_escobar917 could you still register it?
@@moveitmf1951 I was able to register it thankfully. In the state of FL any car that’s 10 years or older is exempt for odometer discloser. I assume that’s how these “stealerships” get away with it. I filed a complaint with FL attorney generals office but they want tons of paperwork proving they sold me a bs rolled back odometer vehicle. They make it impossible for these crooks to be accountable
If the seller tells you that he is selling the car for someone else, don't buy it. Period. They're altering the odometers on cars.
at this point they can give him a title cause after a car is around 8 years old they no longer even care about the mileage on the car
Isn’t it against the law. Can’t they charge someone a crime
Its 3 people and their word.. very difficult to prove anything
All talked but one. Someone’s feeling guilty because they know they pulled a fast one. Mike
Not really because both the seller and buyer are breaking the law by not paying taxes on the car sale. Most of these sales take place where they lie and say the car was sold for 1 dollar to avoid taxes
Odometer tapering is in fact against the law and such violations are investigated by DMV inspectors
@@faridsolati That is NOT true for model years 2010 or older. This vehicle is a 2008 so it is EXEMPT and ON YOU if you buy it. It is like buying a hoopty. If you buy a hoopty and it falls apart on the way home that is ON YOU because you should not have bought that old hoopty in the first place. Who buys an OLD 2008 vehicle over 75K miles in the first place, especially in a place like St. Louis where it rains and snows heavily (ie causes extra RUST and CORROSION on cars)? That 8K would have been better spent as a down payment on a used cpo toyota suv.
Everything to do with car sales involves dealing with scum 🤢
MIKE: *...if you want to talk LIKE A MAN...give me a call*
REPORTER: calls but Mike never answers AFTER already coming to his house TO TALK LIKE A MAN 😂🙄
That almostt to me few days ago. It was a listing on Facebook marketplace. My cousin and I went to see the car, test drove it and except for a few minor problems the car seemed pretty good. I was about to buy but then I was like you know what, better safe then sorry, so I checked the carfax report and guess what the car had 234k miles, nowhere near the 104k on the odometer. I was so mad but I'm glad I checked the carfax before it was too late. Fuckin hate these scammers
How do you check the car fax..?
They are Brokers !
@@belbir49 pay like $20 online in their website, type in the vin number and you get a lot of details.
@@belbir49 buy one on ebay
Greedy scammers are ruining capitalism it makes me want to vote for more restrictive government regulations
Don't get a pre-purchase inspection and this is what you get.
I should've gotten one on my car
One thing you can count on from our species is being shady..
Let me guess. The guy didn't get his money and no one was held liable. How come the reporter didn't ask the buyer if Chris was the guy that sold him the car? Didn't show picture?
The best part is the scam that happens when buying a car that nobody has noticed and still goes on although not common. The odometer is the least of your issue if you fall for the other one. You could end up with a stolen vehicle and loss of finances.
Yes it happened to me. I bought a car and it turned out to be stolen from a rental company with fake vin and title. I lost $22500 . Cops couldn’t care less . FYI I paid with cash and cashier check . Cops knew these people but don’t care . I’m screwed
That was done to me back in 1999 with Yukon Denali. The miles were rolled back by 40,00 miles.
You’re lucky it was only 40 miles
@An Honest Reviewer yes. They thank God. I took it in because it keep shutting off when I was driving. And ended up rebuilding the whole engine. After that,it purred like a kitten until Iost,it after I got hurt on the job and lost my house as well. With only one year left to pay on it 😐
Like Matilda’s father
In Texas, odometer fraud is punishable by fines and even imprisonment. To prevent falling victim to odometer fraud, it is recommended to have a trusted mechanic inspect the vehicle and obtain a vehicle history report before making a purchase. A mechanic can help you find signs of odometer fraud.
Well, that's why you need to do your homework before buying the vehicle.. Buyer fault....
I’m sure that guy has been doing that to many people not just to this one. He needs to be fined big-time, thrown in jail and lose his license to sell cars.
I always buy by a police station or where I know camera s are working. And most don’t want to meet there. Especially a police station. So that’s a Red flag rite there !
Why would any one want to go to a police station to sell you a car. I know I wouldn’t. I can meet you at the dmv or at a store or even at my house but why at the police station.
Why are they showing the 4-year-old video in our feeds?
So you can learn 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️ and not get scammed duh
Just for the memories...its probably scrap now...lol
Old but not outdated
Beautiful ride though
I wouldn't trust a guy named Santamaria, ever
Yea that’s called a Open title! . That happens all the time !
they have a place you can get that odometer changed outside of kent washington. if you replace a motor you take it in and they change the odometer with the miles on the motor you bought to replace
You know who the middle man is, get an attorney
That cost more money!!! You’ll think it’s real easy
Connected...nothing will happen
Attorneys are not free and cost more than this car does.
It's a federal offense that is a felony to alter the odometers on cars, the fine is $10,000 Dollars and 10 years in prison. That's why it is important to know who is selling the car to you. Ask for the driver license and take the name and the number and the address on that driver license; if he can't provide you with that then don't buy the car. If you don't care losing your money then it's your decision.
Listed as a class A felony in Ga.
Why didnt he go to the police, after finding out the sellers ID?
Didn’t the original seller mail in the bottom part of the title ?
If things look too good to be true, chances are they are.
It’s really rare to see a low mileage Tahoe suburban etc
It happened with me and there’s nothing I could do about it. I bought the car through Facebook marketplace, when tried contact the seller he already blocked and there was no I could contact him.
It’s happening to a lot of people on Facebook
Yep just happened to me now idk what to do with the car can I still sell it just letting the buyer know about the situation on the miles?
Same
How dumb are ppl in the land of the free? seriously. if you buy a car, no matter if its via facebook or whatnot, you always draw up a contract. there are boiler plates that can be used. on that there should be the vehicle data as well as those from buyer and seller.
This is why I always go to a dealership , with my mechanic friend of course
Police needs to arrest him
What I’ve learned to do is we both show our id’s
Remember when odometers were analog?
Analog odometers could still be tampered.
Yes. They were physically removed and 'drilled' instead of connected to rollback software. Same scam, different tools of a different era.
Pretty sure I just caught my local Nissan rolling back odometer about 10,000 miles. I asked if they could go look in the car and tell me the mileage he said 3,000 miles. I asked why their picture says almost 12,000 miles. He said you’re right it’s almost 12,000 but that cars been sold. I said you just asked me to come see the car one minute ago and he was like yeah somebody put a deposit down the car is gonna be sold. It looks really bad. Then they stopped responding to me completely. First dealership that’s ever stopped responding to me about buying a car. Before that they also tried to sell me a 2022 and didn’t tell me it was in an accident in January. Their competitors are the ones who told me. They wanted to make a car that had 12,000 miles look like it only had 3,000 so they could get more for it and present it as a new car. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don’t even look
I bought an 18’ Silverado a few months ago with 11k miles. I was very skeptical at first, but the Carfax and the service records matched up. A Carfax is good to have but useless if the seller bought the vehicle and racked up a lot of miles and then ran them back before they sold it. It’s the risk you take buying a pre owned.
I inspect cars and for my services guarantee that the car is legit. If any issues occur with the car that I cleared I'll buy it from you. I usually save my clients more than my fee.
Where are you, I need your services???
@@michellej7734 Muscle shoals Alabama. I have been known to travel depending on a few common factors! My sister was cheated years ago and I decided to try and make sure others don't fall prey!
Thats quiet a risk you are taking.
@@gtdodgeviper Anytime an individual purchases a ' pre-owned ' car that's a risk my friend.
new law needs to be passed that the person/business that is proven to have done this should be fined 1 dollar per mile the odometer is off and 1/2 of that fine=dollar amount should be given to the person they victimized and half to to the court that heard the case...
In Houston tx small dealerships do that all the time they either been flooded and completely clean up or been replace with awful cheap junk yard engines or transmissions is why I am glad I quit those mechanic jobs at small dealerships I am just not made that way now I work for a big dealership where things are correct and costumers get what they pay for
Yup, just happened to me in Dallas
Links on the device that rolls back ?
Call the ATG and get ur money back
why buy a whole new device when bro could've swapped out the cluster with another one with a different odometer reading
You can't roll back the engine mileage....................... OBD2 devices will show you what that is.
That’s why I always ask them if the title is in their name with ID if it’s not I don’t buy it.
Exactly! And if they aren't willing to show their ID then that's a major red flag
This needs to be done more often to make open titles harder to flip.
since its so obviuse why was michael not arrested
This happened to me last night. The private party seller advertised the vehicle as having 93k miles. We made the transaction and when we looked closer at the title after the purchase. The title and most recent emissions say 200k miles. I reached out to the seller by text and called and left a voicemail and I have been ghosted.
All I gotta say is bad guys suck!!!
Sorry to hear man. These people just suck…
Just happened to me too. Pain 💔
@@Rayhan-fj7es dang I’m sorry to hear that happened. We ended up dumping a bunch of money into repairs and then trading it in. We took a significant loss. I may only buy from dealerships going forward so I have a path for recourse and (hopefully) never get scammed again.
It’s just happened to me right now. Odometer says 123 000 and the car had 206 000 since the last registration 2021
@@pierrerenebrianvil4882 I’m sorry to hear that
I had that same experience buying a Nissan Sentra, someone tried to sell me a 150,000+ mile car as 40K miles.
It didn't work though, the car was just too beat up.
To my knowledge you can change the odometer on the dash cluster, but the ecm/ecu has true mileage
It’s guys like this that make honest car flippers like myself look bad!
Never purchase a vehicle if sellers name is not on title ,never
i would, tho. given that i'm in oregon where title jumping is absolutely fine.
You don't have but a device or roll back the millage. If you buy a instrument cluster same model has your vehicle that has say 130 thousand miles and yours has 250 thousand miles. When you swap out your cluster for the other one the millage will show up has 130 thousand
It won't be too surprising some morning for the neighbors to wake up to police tape and the coroner at his house. All it takes is the wrong screwing to the wrong person.
Well it's stupid all they have to do is check vin numbers on cars dash,door,and other places,if they all match retitle that vehicle.Kind of weird DMV won't title that vehicle over milage issues.
Need to hire atty or get state rep to help the motor vehicles registry is a bureaucratic nightmare
You could sue the seller under Federal Rules for Treble damages and for Attorney Fees.
These cars have so many computer chips in them. I dont understand why there is not a chip that retains the otiginal mileage even if the odometer is rolled back. It would be easy as all a car dealer needs to do is access the cars computer, and get the actual mileage from that and see if it aligns with what the odometer on the dash panel reads. I mean come on computers are supposed to be smart. Just because you delete or change something does not mean its gone. Computers can be back checked. Now older cars with a mechanical odometer, thats different, but stil if it had a computer, then the mileage should be retained on that. Auto manufactures time to step up your game against odometer tampering.
the ECM holds the real mileage. but those can be swapped or re-written too
Can you imagine going to the lengths of 100k odometer rollback to sell a used car. I thought that used cars were a premium. Sounds like a scam. Probably money laundering operation.
Dude is connected and they know he ripping people off...most will get locked up
Simple State of Missouri put a lien on the man's house for amount scammed.
He knew what he did was wrong, the hanging up and not owning up to speak his side and or talk willingly is a clear sign of guilt.
That last guy, thanks for the tip to all the rollbackers!
So what did he end up doing with that Yukon XL?
Rolled it back to 30,000 miles and sold it to another sucker:)
Whose fault is that lmaoo that he didn’t pull the car fax from the jump? I wouldn’t show my face too
You know I'm pretty sure the guy who originally owned the car can get a reprint beings he technically still owns the vehicle
Sometimes cluster messes up ,and replaced with one from salvage,and when it's sold the owner will use the odometer reading from used cluster,which messes up the history of the miles in that car.
No, the mileage is on the computer and not on the cluster. All you have to do is replace the computer from a lower mileage car.
@@mseka9148 yes but when you sell a car ,owner will look at the odometer on cluster,and not the one in the computer.
@@mseka9148oh never mind I get ur point.👍
You don't what doesn't mess up the history? A mileage disclosure.
The mileage is stored in more than one place like the ECU (or DME), the instrument cluster, and light control module. All three need to match, and this can be done with dealer level programming devices or laptops.
That person skipped the title
Yeah it wont be awkward taking a picture of someone selling it or asking them for id
Happened to me. With a 2002 Suburban. I thought it had 110k miles. Turned out to have 220k miles. I just sold it but I made sure the title was branded TRUE MILEAGE UNKNOWN and was completely clear with the new owner.
Carfax don’t show exactly everything of the vehicle there’s was some people that checked carfax and said the vehicle wasn’t in a accident but when they did a check up on it they saw it was in a accident from the color being on places where it’s not supposed to be at
Hmmm. ..so my bumper to bumper warranty can go for a good while with such device . ..If I was criminally inclined. : )
The good news is now that he knows who the original owner is he can at least get a title reissued and filled out with the correct mileage
Thanks for the info, now I’ll go roll my odometer back as well. Amazon here I come! 😂 I mean, geez, these media outlets do not realize the information they give out creates more scamming.
I believe this happend to me and I will be reporting a further investigation to my local Dmv in regards to this. I brought a Nissan Murano from a “gentlemen” at a local dealership who claimed the vehicle was under 100k in miles . It wasn’t until I was handed the title that it stated a whole different set of numbers .( much higher)
Something was off but I got side tracked with the birth of my daughter and taking care of my children so it was in the back of my busy mom schedule.. until recently when I brought this problem back to light so I will be going to the dmv tomorrow morning to get this investigation going to determine what is going on . I talked to one of the boys from the dealership and he claims that it was the Dmv’s fault however when I had talked to a gentleman from the dmv over the phone the previous day he stated that the miles on the title are the actual miles stated from the previous owner all the way in Virginia. I live in another state.. and I feel bad that I didn’t took the time to further investigate this deal when I had the chance before buying..
Just check the vin on carfax or cars for sale I was gonna buy a is300 and when I looked at the vin first on the website the odometer is rolled back or either changed the gauge cluster or instrument cluster and it was a salvage title and was told by the owner it was a clean title
I'm a used car dealer, and I've noticed quite a few vehicles at auction that have "mileage discrepancies". About half the vehicles are from the local state (this state requires an inspection every year, and the mileage is logged every inspection, it ends up on CarFax, AutoCheck, and other NMVTIS services). But half the vehicles are from neighboring states, and all 3 neighboring states do NOT have annual inspections, so unless the car gets an oil change at a shop that reports the mileage to CarFax, the mileage is never logged. So I carry an OBD2 reader that can read the mileage on the ECM or ABS module. Usually when someone rolls back an odometer, they just rolled back the dash, but not the mileage that is logged on the modules. The auction I go to prohibits OBD2 scanners, but mine is small and I sneak it in anyways. I've seen many trucks and SUVs that have "lost" 100k miles or more. Every now and then I see a car that has a mileage discrepancy, but usually it's trucks and SUVs. Also, not every mileage discrepancy is an odometer rollback. I've seen one car in which the years back it had 40k miles, the following year it was 50k miles, then the year after it had 254k miles, than 62k miles. AutoCheck flagged it as an odometer roll back because it went from 254 down to 62, but I think that whoever entered the mileage accidentally "fat fingered" the wrong mileage, because I doubt that someone drove 200k+ miles in one year, unless it's a commercial driver.
Nowadays, 8k is normal for a shitbox chevy with 200,000 miles and they probably replaced the instrument cluster from a junkyard that’s the only way you can get a false number on a newer car
No on newer cars it’s actually easier than older cars. There’s devices that can roll back your miles
@@kid5042 Absolutely. Not saying analog is safer/better by any means but if it’s digital it can definitely be altered. Just look at what’s currently going on with kids stealing Kias and Hyundais with USB drives lol
I know 2 dealerships in NJ that are doing this right now well probably not right at this second but you know what I mean…. Shits crazy cause they literally wouldn’t make any money at all if they didn’t do that. I think carvana does it too with “some” of their cars🤷🏽♂️🤷🏽♂️
People who sale cars online don’t do the required paper work to sell the car with all the other problems comes liens on the car and the buyer will not be able to register the car and insurance and drive the car and lose their money
8k is still a good deal for that suv.
I would have noticed 240k miles.
I have a video showing what to look for when buying a fake low mileage car.
Just an FYI. Maybe you should do a Carfax before you purchase a car
Not sure why this keeps happening. Carfax is cheap insurance and so is the ODO statement from the DMV. I know it’s hard to tell. My diesel truck has 260k on it and it looks like a 30k mile truck still inside and out so be careful.
If you want to talk like a man give me a call? Acting like a real child. He can't own up to what he did, who's the real child?
Gotta get the carfax before finalizing the sale but the car was only rolled back 60k so he only paid a few thousand extra, not the end of the world
Happened to me last Saturday purchase beautiful 2009 tahoe. Suppose have 164,000 miles. Odometer reads 164k but trip reads 343k . 8,000 paid. So fixin find out what gotta do
Same shit with me. Bought a 2007 Tahoe, seller said 163k.. just ran a carfax and last odo reading was 299k smfh
@@djglennb736does it still run
@@steffydagoat4338 yeah it does. When i got it we had to replace the water pump and then the transfer case. But the motor itself runs completely fine and strong.
@@djglennb736 Bro happenned to me and they even scratched the title, I went to DMV they didnt care and just registered the car as not actual miles
@@nikayelali2597 same here. DMV don’t give two 💩
A “man” doesn’t roll the odometer back, little boys do🤷♂️
He literally bought the car he would’ve had after 100,000 miles of driving
You will never beat the crooks never
But imagine old hondas or other cars where clusters and gauges go bad all the time. They get replaced. It's not illegal to buy clusters. I think it's the selling principles of it where you're lying about it.
You can roll back odometers. But you can’t roll back the transmission log. Dude who sold the car and allegedly changed the title, is what’s wrong with the world today, hope he sits in a cell.
That guy was a dirtbag that sold the car.
Haha "like a man" he wasn't being a man about it at all.
Went and looked at a jeep with 250k miles but backed out. So a week later i see the same exact jeep but posted by somebody else with 110k miles, so i messaged the guy and called him out, he deleted everything on facebook lol
It so mess up…. Karma will get you!
Toyota estimas that are being sold in Australia all have low mileage. They don't come with any service papers. They are not sold in a display car outlets. They are all stored in a yard somewhere. Someone should investigate. ? ODOMETER ROLL BACK. PLEASE DONT BUY UNTIL YOU SEE THE SERVICE HISTORY OR EVIDENCE OF ODOMETER READINGS IN THE SERVICE BOOKLET. when you book an appointment to test drive it, it will be in a neighbourhood somewhere.
😂😂😂😂😂 meet at a police station lol😂😂😂😂😂😂 so a cop can tell you it's just a civil matter and you got to go to court 😂😂😂😂😂 whats the cops gunna do for you??? Bean there done that
Why cant he just register the car with a “NOT ACTUAL MILES” title. Or just tell the license office the car has 205,000 miles. Sure he still looses money but at least he can use the car.
this guys issue is idetical to mine and yes I registered it as not actual miles
Because the title is tampered,they erase a number on it ,they won’t accept the title
What are our representatives doing to protect people from this happening again? Its goong to be easier with electric vehicles.....
If it runs and drives good who cares how much miles are on it?? That Tahoe was driving and looked immaculate thats what matters
You're not understanding that engines and parts have a life cycle that ends the higher the mileage. He was robbed several years with that car. It's a big deal.