He needs to be prime time news, we need news that does real research and which doesn’t have its own agenda. News for the people and that’s honest is what’s needed. It’s all negative according to the media, which is why I won’t watch the “Mainstream” media.
"Identity politics which brings people together by segregating them in to smaller and smaller groups based on their gender, their sexuality and their skin colour".
Try and have a conversation about gender with someone and how sex and gender are different, which for the record they are. However, the people who generally talk about this keep interchanging what they mean, like they suggest what everyone else does. You cannot have a discussion when they can't keep their own story straight.
@@ozrick_major - nope, not any more. Not that long ago many would have perceived them to be the same thing, but recently gender is what a person identifies as than what their actual DNA says. (Even though despite what you add/remove, you can not change the DNA). A more in depth BS description can be found here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction A great example of virtue signalling celebs like Taylor Swift complaining about gender can be found here: www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/06/27/taylor-swift-only-male-and-female-gender-options-on-census-form-a-brutal-erasure-of-people/ Taylor - bless her little heart, was unable to read & decipher plain English on the census form as it did not ask about gender but about person 1's SEX - not gender. Ahhh but they mean the same, nope as @mrtalos mentioned, they redefine/alter/change the differences and definitions of gender, proclaiming they are not the same thing... SEX = biological sex embedded within your own DNA GENDER = what a person identifies as, though that person can not accept their own biological sex within their DNA, which to some people might seem to be a symptom of having a psychological issue/disorder
"You're entitled to your opinion, as long as it's not your own." Excellent video as always Pie. We need you on prime time. The left will eventually turn on themselves entirely when there's none left to demonise for having a different worldview.
You mean, like a utopia? Unfortunately, my friend, "common sense" is a myth we offer to comfort ourselves; which, unfortunately, divide people by establishing an Us vs. Them mentality.
Most people have common sense. They just kept their heads down and wanted to get on with their lives without getting involved. Now they have woken up in a society where they can no longer voice their common sense for fear of losing their jobs.
IMO it's not about being right but understanding everybody's perspective is valid. It might be deluded to you but it's their truth. If we approach each other non judgementally and with compassion, we are far more likely to bring about healing in them & the situation than constant finger wagging.
Not everybody's perspective is valid. Only those grounded on some sort of objective reality, not myth, majority opinion, feelings or any other internal or subjectively generated external souce. Race is a culturally constructed concept based on no scientific evidence that isn't preceded by the term 'pseudo'. Cultures aren't static entities they are dynamic and evolve over time and they certainly aren't connected in any way with ones skin colour. There is no such thing as Black or Black African culture - go ask the Tusti and Houtu. Their conflict is described as 'class' warfare and it is. Between the haves and have nots. in terms of wealth and power. Maybe in a predominantly white country a poor white will have 'white priveledge' over a non-white, but whilst the poor on both side are fighting over the crumbs and squabbling over petty difference it keeps attention off of those with the cake, wealth and power and that's how they like it. check out www.forbes.com/billionaires/ and you'll see that 134/200 are 'white' who only make up 11% of the world population. They are the Tutsi we should ALL be looking at.
This is me. I've been a leftie since I was a teenager and still am but I just feel lost now in a sea of pretentious bullshit and have become less and less involved with politics. It's a mixture of the bullying, intimidation Jonathan describes plus pissing competitions with everyone trying to prove how ideologically pure they are ("Look at me! I'm the best socialist because I care more about Palestinians than Ukrainians!") plus just stupidity. How did we get to a point where we are imitating the far right by denying science and labelling facts as opinions and calling unprovable convictions facts? And how hard have we worked to convince the white lads on the Durham estates I grew up on that we hate them because they're male and white. My theory is that it started with the downfall of the unions when left wing politics moved from the factories to the universities.
i think it just happened when left-wing politics became watered down with neoliberalism from the 1990s onwards. who knows... i feel very much like you too.
But you know, at this very moment, someone will be screaming for JP to be #cancelled for mentioning "incinerator" in the context of RLB and the shared article. Of course, JP is spot on... A mear mention of anything outside of "acceptable norms", regardless of context, results in cancellation of a person, their families and anyone who ever conversed with them. "you are free to do as we tell you..."
He really hits the nail on the head regarding mob mentality (either online or in real life). Not only is it in essence bullying, but it's a perpetual circle of shaming anyone diverging from the agreed upon "correct" opinion. I don't see how we can live in a society that doesn't tolerate differences of opinions and the civil discourse that it normally implies. That's not healthy. And before anyone starts doing violence to their keyboard to reply; no, that doesn't mean advocating for racism, sexism, etc. But at some point, we must recognize that we're all different, don't have the same life experiences, and don't draw the line on some issues at the same place. If we factor everyone, we get a balanced middle ground. But if instead we pathologically shame and censor, that becomes targeted oppression. Trying to reach uniformity of thought (real or perceived) is absolutely dangerous.
Having inhabited left wing circles in my early days, I can tell you there is no "agreed upon" opinion. By definition in "progressivism" anything agreed is merely temporary until you make "progress" by finding another grievance/resentment which, inevitably in some way, conflicts with your previously "agreed upon". e.g. LBGTQ+ vs. Islam (This constantly shifting ground is what usually drives intelligent left wingers away from the left to sanity and more solid ground i.e. conservatism.) There is in fact, bitter competition among left wingers to be, and very much more importantly, be seen to be more "right on" than the left winger next door. It makes the bourgeois activity of "keeping up with the Jones's" look positively tame and compassionate by comparison. It also drives the ever more absurd left wing claims - a sort of left wing version of the Four Yorkshire Men.
It's part of why I don't really discuss my opinions on the internet anymore. I just read the dumb shit and move on, instead of trying to put forward a view which doesn't reflect their agenda.
@@pansepot1490 But that will play into it as well..."you didn't support 'X' on facebook?" "I don't have have face-book". "OMG I din't know you were an anti-science fascist!, I can't be friends with you...now where did I put that incinerator."
Burnham book The Suicide of the West describes it as liberal ideology syndrome. Or in layman language people who only agree with people who agree with each other.
I haven't seen him rip into anything meaningful on the left though. He mostly talks about cancel culture with 90% of the left disagrees with and which is done by a vocal minority of people. If he has actually critiqued any policies or ideas then ok but being a 'liberal' himself could literally mean he's anywhere on the political spectrum.
@@te1327 on cancel culture ever the woke left disagrees with it seeing it as ineffective it seems like no one wants it. It doesn't change peoples minds it only makes them conform at best
@Albert Wesker becasue they are a very loud minority and corporations tend to cave in pretty easily when people start complaining about an employee's misconduct, even if it is a few. After all the company can just replace the employee, and they care more about brand image then what that one guy they fired who said the n word when he was 16 will do after they fire him.
This would be hilarious if it wasn't so terrifyingly close to the truth. Genius work and ironically better than any 'real' tv journalism i've seen in years.
So true, watched channels get hit hard for years over and over. For clearing showing evidence or stating facts, for speaking on behalf of everyones benefit. Sad, it's just a clowns world now.
I love how he's actually calmer than normal here. Maybe he's just so disappointed with the Left at this point that he can't even even build up enough steam to do a full rant.
Thought Pie had lost his mojo for a bit but here he’s back and hits it absolutely spot on. Identity and victimhood politics is consuming our culture before our very eyes, an insatiable bacteria of wokeness.
He's been full lefty for a while now, but he realises it isn't getting him anywhere. Lefties have no sense of humour, so his gags were missing the mark. He pulled it back somewhat here.
@@MrBillUp - I'd say that the majority on the left have been fed up with pc for quite some time. Unfortunately the minority control left-wing politics. Incidently, the right are just as bad at trying to censor, de-platform, shut the debate down and condemning people for holding a different viewpoint. There just isn't a convenient 'pc-like' label with which to collectivise such actions. Though the indiscriminate use of 'fascist' seems to have gained ground. Unfortunately, whilst we're all arguing about what is, essentially, the peripheral issue of pc and identity politics, all the really important issues are being ignored. Economically, for instance, we've moved so far to the right, in recent decades, following the totally bogus and debunked ideology of neoliberalism, that most people haven't even noticed that the rich and their political chums, have been taking a larger and larger share of the economic pie, at everyone elses expense. Nor that it doesn't 'trickle down'. Wealth and income gaps have grown to their largest since Victorian times. The 'centre' has shifted so far to the right that anyone suggesting ANYTHING outside of absolute neoliberal dogma, is instantly labelled a 'radical', a 'loony', a 'commie' or a 'marxist', no matter how mild the policy or reform. As for 'anti-semite' it's now applied to anyone giving even the mildest criticism of Israeli policy. Even when stating pure facts.
@Prithu well said. Edit, apart from the woke being right wing bit. And nazism is the disowned daughter of communism. Mussilini was a communist and tweaked the outward expansionist ideology by refocusing it inwards - ie nationalism. And Hitler liked that flavour of communism... A lot.
@@Codex7777 The Israel / "anti-Semitic" thing is very true, but also applies to criticism the power/belief structures within Islam and "Islamophobia". When people were protesting Brunei for their plan to stone homosexuals to death, some were accusing the protesters of being "Islamophobic" for trying to protect gay MUSLIMS from being murdered for their inherent, biological sexuality.
Finally, genuine outrage about the slimy slide into the tyranny of ideological correctness. It's amazing that only a few comedians can voice have a voice. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke
I need the "Into the incinerator" gesture to be .gif'ed so I can use it myself. It's both hilarious and so very fucking scary how right he is within the context of his character.
reminds me of a quote by Bret Weinstein that I came across recently: the population is made up of four types of people: A small number hunt witches. A large number go along with the hunt. A larger number are silent. A tiny number oppose it. The final group--as if by magic--become witches
There's the point right there, I'm black and it's crazy to view things of the past through today's filter. Yes it is abhorant what some of these figures did but a lot of people did stuff that wasn't necessarily great back then. If people go by that mantra best stay off of social media because in 30/40 years time they'll be a lot of stuff that others will find offensive about you. That fact we can't discuss anything nowadays and Identity politics and all this nonsense is causing more harm than good.
And not just judging people with today's standard, also summing up someone's entire life by the flaws they had. So sure, some of the things these figures thought or did were bad, but that isn't all they did, is it? Is there something that they did that helped as well? Such 1 denominational thinking.
This was the part of Pie's argument I struggled with. Our local 'philanthropist' here in Bristol knew what he was doing to people, and likely did so through a genuine belief that these people were inferior, maybe less than human. Supposedly the Nazis also had this mindset and so were able to carry out the Holocaust. The idea is people aren't evil, but do evil things based on their beliefs. That said I still can't personally see past Colston's crimes. And from that amassed huge wealth with which to give to various causes around the city
@@bluemachine85 Trouble is where does it end? For example Samuel Pepys invested heavily in the East Africa Company. How should we view things like that?
People just need to stop being so damn sensitive. Judging history by todays socialist censored values. Discuss differences in opinions instead of shutting them down. How the fuck is someone supposed to change their opinion or even think about changing it if people don’t provide argument and reason as to why they think the opinion is wrong. Challenge opinions, debate, discuss. If at the end of that both parties are in agreement, great. If not, agree to disagree and move the fuck on and get on with your life. Stop being so damn sensitive.
He is right, we are going backwards. We aren’t saying we are all in this together, we are all the same, all human... No, We are separating people, assuming so much about entire groups, dividing people on race and gender and setting everyone against each other. The worst thing is the world is okay with this, it’s like they’ve accepted a mentality of segregation and inherent guilt, a mentality of zero responsibility or self determination. We are creating a society of weak weirdos who can’t function properly because they might cry if someone says something they don’t like. It’s almost like a religious cult.
My best friend of 30 years completely disagrees with my opinions and I with his, but we have still been the best of friends 30 years. However, his teenage kid hates me because I disagree with their family opinions and hates how we discuss it, yet still disagree. And I mean real hate, not dislike. That is what society is creating now, hatred of opposing thought. "This is what I think and if you disagree I hate you and want you gone"
“WE” are not doing that - the LEFT is doing that. And until the left is willing to see the rot in their own party and to speak out against it, the witch hunters will one day come for all of you too.
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-for ever.” ― George Orwell, 1984 This quote encapsulates our present society succinctly.
C'mon, everyone - it's pretty obvious. The further you get from the centre, the more authoritarian you need to be to maintain the position. So...when the right or the left have gone far enough, they look exactly the same from the perspective of the general population because the rightness/leftness is no longer the operative aspect - it's the authoritarianism. You either get Atlas Shrugged or 1984, but the population are just as screwed either way.
This whole thing has become a joke. Tech firms are spending tens of millions changing terms like master, slave and blacklist when this money can be given to charity or something more productive than just more virtue signalling.
While I agree, a lot of corporations do a lot of virtue signalling, which can be sickening, it's just capitalism and has nothing to do with left wing politics. A company like apple don't want to appear racist, sexist or anything bad ,not for any moral reasons, they don't have any, just because they won't to sell there stuff to everyone, so money well spent from a profit point of view, and charity isn't (unless there's publicity involved.
1. They’re not spending tens of millions. 2. They’re doing it get more business. The money wouldn’t just be sitting around if it wasn’t used on that, it would be put towards getting more business in another way. 3. Big companies already donate to charities.
Well, as English is not my native language, the terms "master" and "slave" sound at the very least strange when you try to translate them literally... But what's wrong with "blacklist" ? Does this word have origin in slavery ? I thought that colour black is used here as a metaphor for something bad, just like red is a universal symbol for danger.
I have only used 'master' and 'workers' with clustering and i've been doing that for over 20 years. 'Slave' isn't really accurate here, so I don't care about it being widely dropped. I also never used blacklist but always used 'DROPPED' or 'REJECTED', again, as it was more accurate.
I think it depends on who you are co-dependent on. Have a lot of 'woke' friends and you are at risk of losing them. Be independent of all that and you can still say pretty much what you like. As a result the online activists do the most damage to each other.
I agree. Vocal minority or not, they hold the sword of power and change at the moment. Their political opinions are already making their way into law. In 10 years I really dont think we will have free speech at all - well, we already lost that a while ago but in 10 years I fear we will look back at today's world as "not that bad".
Clean up any social media accounts retraceable to you. Any non-essential statements, any even slightly controversial message etc. Never know when you will get shit for it, never know if you will ever be in the spotlight.
This highlights the contrast between labour leadership and whatever it is the Torys have... Given that Kier asked her to apologise/take it down, I hate to say it, I disagree with Jonathan.
@@chrisko6439 that was my thinking. Thank god there's a relatively mainstream voice speaking out about this, it sometimes seems like the whole world has gone mad!
Chris Bates satire often is the best political commentary. I know what I wrote there isn’t an original or complex thought, but I think it needs to be emphasised, especially nowadays.
It gets crazier. Around late 2013, when Dan Harmon got fired from Community (which curiously is under a microscope now too for the episode Advanced Dungeons and Dragons) and started his Harmontown podcast, he repeatedly referred to this at the time emerging trend of stifling discourse to root out any dissenting views. The great irony of it is of course that this kind of thing is staple of right wing, conservative censorship. Profane, blasphemous and vulgar used to be the right’s thought control mechanism and complement to the modern non-PC, offensive and InsertDemographicHere-phobic.
I was immediately reminded of it when he said the right have taken over free speech. It's crazy that not only is it still relevant, but its actually gotten worse.
I've seen Pie evolve from a cliche'd synthetic Guardianista ranter into an authentic, outraged truth-ranter. Fascinating. They'll be coming for him very soon. I wish him well.
...and I have to say, that's equally chilling (even if it was you drawing out the humour), and I really do hope not. However I do think he would tie knots in any attempts to trap him.
It's a front: Jonathan Pie is funded by far right Koch foundation (climate change deniers) to spread the message that it's actually the left that are intolerant.
@@indyref2now342 I was a socialist, like most conservatives. The left are the intolerant ones, ask any comedian where they will not go, the answer is inevitably universities. Bastions of free thinking my ass. I came out more indoctrinated and arrogant then beforehand. The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
@@goodname7613 even more happy that a good chunk of those people probably use it because they're running some internet business or YT channel and kind of need it for their news updates or exposure. in its core you could use twitter as it were an rss feed, but with people actually seeing it, they used to before everything got politicized lol i know many people that don't use social media except for having a direct feedback channel towards their customers for their small businesses. facebook is still oddly popular here (netherlands) as a chat platform under younger people too, that's where all the people are.
People are sheep and follow like herd, they are easily manipulated. That is what world leaders understand and put in practice everyday knowing that whatever little resistance is out there is is swept aside by the woke minions. But, and that's our only hope, not all people are the same, southern Europeans do not care to appear racist if their liberties are at stake. The Japanese instead would even be happy to be ruled by robots, apparently 🙄
I've been liberal my entire life, only to see western liberalism collapse under this arbitrary "woke" agenda. So thank you, Mr. Pie, for bringing reason back to the ideals I've valued for so long. And, just saying.... Jonathan Pie MP?
You alrady put one in office, his name is BORIS JOHNSON, how did that "woke"out for you ? you,re end as a relevant society!! continue and you as a people will follow shortly behind, Ukraine anyone? dumb as ever!!!
@Jerome Bustillo And yet so many people seem to be in agreement on this page! Good times! Yet, I must respectfully disagree with your opinion. You are wrong. Hope you're okay with that.
Cazi the intention isn’t to protect feeling but lives. If you allow people to be dehumanised and racially degraded it doesn’t result in just hurt feeling, it results in death. Having said that what passes for left wing in modern neoliberals Democratic state is fucking useless at archive that and pretty much just make things worse by blaming the poor down trodden masses of a slightly lighter skin colour.
@@AlwaysAC Yeah the stats disagree with you on that. Hate crimes are going up. Everywhere. You know when they were at an all time low? The 90s/early 2000. Where was cancel culture back then? Where did you see people losing their job or being put in prison for racist comments or obvious jokes back then? You know what really cause racism? Segregation. You can't hate a group if you know members of that group and you can see that they are humans just like you. Segregation used to be a tool of the right wing bigots but now, the woke left are the one calling for segregation. Which is utterly insane. Putting people into groups even for the purpose of ''positive discrimination'' will always end up dividing people, will always give people an us vs them mentality.
@@giantWario *You know when they were at an all time low? The 90s/early 2000. Where was cancel culture back then?* * Correlation is not causation. 'Cancel culture' as it is known is a phenomenon unique to social media. Hate crimes have been steadily on the rise and saw a surge around the time of the referendum alongside the increase of nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment as a political tool to galvanise certain groups in UK society. Similarly in the U.S with the Trump phenomenon, the *mainstream* support of BLM groups were in response to Trumps "anti-other" rhetoric. * It's worth noting that reporting and data capture of hate crimes have become much more sophisticated and so part of the rise can be attributed to this, also given the shift in attitude it has become more common for victims of hate crime to come forward, and for their crimes to be treated more seriously. * Economically, the 1990s was a relatively prosperous period, with extensive improvements in social welfare. The tipping point where tensions begin to rise is after the 2008 economic collapse, the impact of which has been wage stagnation for almost a decade, and a rise in poverty. * *Where did you see people losing their job or being put in prison for racist comments or obvious jokes back then?* * Your question conflates two different things. 1.) Companies have long had the right to terminate people's employment based on actions the employee commits outside of work hours which bring the company into disrepute. What's changed is that civilians are engaging in very public displays of racism, or lewdness which comes to the attention of the company in a much more exposed way, which is difficult for the company to ignore. * The Crime and Disorder Act wasn't introduced until 1998 which might be the reason why fewer people were convicted for acts relating to hate crime. And again, much of the examples of hate crime that make the headlines tend to be related to social media. The rise of social media occurred circa 2006. In the case of Markus Meechan, (who was not imprisoned but fined £800 in breach of the Communications Act 2003) his defence team failed to convince the court that the video was only intended for his girlfriend as he claimed. * *Putting people into groups even for the purpose of ''positive discrimination'' will always end up dividing people* * What are you basing this opinion on exactly? Less than 10 years ago the department for work and pensions commissioned a study to explore racial bias in the job application market. They created CVs and application forms that were comparable in qualification and experience, half with names like "john smith" and "Ian brown", the other half revealing the ethnicity of the applicant i.e. African and Asian names. They sent out over 1000 of these to a range of companies across a broad spectrum of industries. Their findings revealed that for the minority applicants to receive the same level of callback they would have to send out 75% more. * This study is one in a literal ocean of peer-reviewed research across an array of areas from housing to the criminal justice system. Nuffield college, university of Oxford conducted a similar study (this time over 3000 CV/applications) comparing their finding to several decades of field research going back to the 1960s-they found through a similar blind test that the numbers were between 75-90% depending on the sector and ethnicity. * Companies which make efforts to 'diversify' their staff are under no obligation to do so-enforced positive discrimination is illegal throughout Europe, so the idea that companies have to have quotas is a fictitious lie drummed up, most likely, by right-wing media. Institutions which make efforts to ensure equal opportunities come no-where close to undoing the pattern of racial bias indicated by the studies. The case of the U.S is somewhat different because of their complex history with legal segregation and the continuous efforts to reintroduce it by far-right groups.
@Matt Perhaps you are right, (in your first sentence, definitely not the last which I won't address here) but I think there is somewhat of a conflation going on between 'cancel culture' and 'wokeness'. However, BOTH are behaviours found in left and right-wing circles.
My ears are still ringing, I have brain goosebumps and I think some darkness has been driven out. For me this is Mr Pie's most illuminating and awesome display of fire-works/power so far.
Rob749s. And Pie recently showed some ignorance/misfired when he sla**ed off the result of being shoved further and further away from one's political home (e.g. average Liberal left) by lunatic ideologues when he did his recent rant against red pilling. It's happened to almost everyone I know. Take the last general election as a far wider example... Oh and, admittedly way way off topic (sorry), but just to have a quick random rant myself, Sir Starmer is no friend to the victims of the Rotherham child sex slave rings. More people should know the actions he took to protect the perverts.
@@nathanhobson1142 "Sir Starmer is no friend to the victims of the Rotherham child sex slave rings. More people should know the actions he took to protect the perverts." Well mate here's you big chance to tell us all about it. Off you go...fill ya boots.
You don't leave a political ideology becasue a small but vocal amount of people go around 'cancelling' people, especially since how diverse the lefts thought are your specific ideology on the left is probably completely different to those people.
Rob749s Murdoch and his lot are laughing their heads off. This isn’t the left, this ain’t what the left stands for, but you can be damn sure it’s what the sun and daily mail will tell you the left stands for. Once you allow the multi billionaires to control the public image of your own ideology you’ve lost.
Colm M it doesn’t matter, if his tender sensibilities were hurt you’re done for. The law only considers the words used not their intent ie. you might have been joking but that doesn’t matter the recipient has found you guilty of a hate crime and the law agrees.
Calling someone a leprechaun in Scotland can have a deeper meaning than elsewhere in the UK, your forgetting the long history of sectarian violence there.....
ReddwarfIV It has, right wing bigots say whatever they want. Anyone supposedly on the ‘left’ isn’t allowed to stray from the narrow narrative in any way without being attacked...
In fairness though, this is much more complicated than he made out. Though people (e.g. Maxime Peake) may not *intend* to say something bigoted (in fact I'm sure she didn't), they do so without realising. It's not that people in her situation are bigots consciously, it's that they have SUBconsciously said a bigoted thing without even realising it. This is really the lesson of the Inherent Association Test (IAT) - perfectly normal people have biases (racist/sexist/homophobic) which they are not aware of, and which materialise between the lines of what they say. Even though the intent isn't there, I think it's still okay to criticise. I think it's quite reasonable to draw attention to the words people use and what they mean (throwing aside their intent or justification). I might (naively) say something racist - and just because I didn't intend to be racist does not grant me immunity from criticism. If confronted by that, I'd hope that I would be like: "Yeah, you know what, I shouldn't have said that - it's a bit worrying that that passed me by!". But instead often people react defensively (and are in a sort of denial) when confronted with these 'accusations'... and because they remain stubborn in the face of evidence, suddenly the act is no longer subconscious... at that point the bigotry *is* conscious. So the assumption holds.
Thanks for speaking the truth. I've been struggling with this for a while and you elegantly packaged it for me. Glad to know there are so many others who feel the same.
I went right 10 years ago when all this started getting really out of hand.I couldn't follow the "Oppression Olympics" of the left because i believed in egalitarianism, i believed identity politics would just further and further fracture our society and was branded "far right bigot" for having an opinion on sensible immigration reform or my wish to have the UK leave the EU. I've seen nothing but the escalation of cancel culture, just think how bad its got, all manner of comedy and tv shows partially or totally axed along with people who had "the wrong opinion" Look at how our media tells us "27 police officers being injured is a largely peaceful protest" whilst a protest defending statues where 23 were injured was blanketed with the claim "far right" (albeit a small portion were) And to be clear BOTH sides should have been comdemned,reported on and had the full weight of the law/police thrown at them-but i ask you, which group didn't ? The answer we sadly, already know... Look at how when it was for the "right causes" Covid disappeared, the rules about distancing, gone....but when you protested the lock down (before BLMs protest) or the protested the destruction of statues (by the right and those who saw how dangerous destroying history was) and suddenly the media and police "remembered" we were still in lockdown. We live in dangerous times. The politicians, the media/social media and police all try "outwoking each other" but are caught in a feedback loop which is destroying social cohesion for the ironic reason of fighting racism yet are facilitating its growth.
Oli Crooks Smith maybe we need to not classify as right or left but liberal and liberal in true sense where any backward or oppressive policy driven by religion/culture etc is not above criticism
Okay but which right wing party would you suggest supporting? The Tories are a bunch of SJWs themselves. Well, half the party is. Besides, I would never consider myself right wing. It's just not true. Wealth inequality continues to grow. I will always believe the poor should be less poor and the rich should be less rich. Well, unless something actually changes, but I don't see that happening, not even under so-called "left wing" parties.
"Look at how when it was for the "right causes" Covid disappeared, the rules about distancing, gone....but when you protested the lock down (before BLMs protest) or the protested the destruction of statues (by the right and those who saw how dangerous destroying history was) and suddenly the media and police "remembered" we were still in lockdown." Huh? That's the opposite of reality. BLM protesters out spreading Covid and causing literal deaths (how can they say any lives matter when they behave like that?) are considered untouchable to the media and the police. Yet people are still (rightfully) blasted for breaking social distancing rules in other situations.
I for one think you got it completely right. That's why Pie, an actual leftist, is going crazy over that confusion. They are not the same thing, and the fact that they came to be considered the same thing, is killing the left. What's worse is that all the opportunist right wing twats salivate on their keyboards posting "see, that's what we were saying all along" in rarely different words, as if their problem was really with the left while they were exactly on the same bandwagon with this specific "liberal" agenda all this time; only they wanted it on their own terms.
@J S I think that maybe you are confusing Liberal with Libertarian. They are very different. To me the UK Liberal Party is not actually very "liberal". One of the biggest disappointments was when the SDP (which I quite liked) merged with the Liberal Party (which is a bit woke). I always preferred David Owen over David Steele.
Well with trump for example they didn't just make an episode but an overarching story that spanned more than a season. This seems like one of those scenarios. Probably already in the making
This is crazy interesting. The idea that everything needs to be judged by today’s standards is extremely problematic. And the assumption of bigotry and the complete absence of discussion in left wing politics is really really frightening. I do have to say though, the interview RLB retweeted wasn’t even explicitly anti-semitic, but I do love the irony in the ‘liberal left’ causing its own downfall. Also Jonathan Pie as a character is so bloody articulate I love it 😂.
@@necaacen it was far, far less antisemitic than her usual full-throated hatred, but it was simply the last straw. By itself it would have probably gotten a pass, but considering her vile rhetoric in the past... It was time for her to go. Jews deserve to be heard and acknowledged when people who exhibit habitual hatred continue to do so unrepentant.
@@globedoc probably gotten a pass? there was 0 antisemitism in the article, she retweeted an article from the independent news paper that had absolutely nothing in it that was antisemitic. conflating the actions of the israeli government with jewish people is actually an antisemitic trope according the very definitions that the labour party signed up to. so saying a criticism of israel is an attack on jewish people is in itself antisemitic, because you are unfairly conflating the actions of a government of a country with a race of people. thats racism, criticising a government isnt racism. long-bailey hasnt got a racist bone in her body. israel is a terrorist state guilty of a long list of humanitarian crimes and interference in other countries affairs, that FACT has nothing to do with jewish people any more than criticising irans government has anything to do with muslims.
Whether or not a statue continues to stand should be judged by today's standards, because if it is allowed to continue to stand, then it continues to glorify that person - and what their memory represents - today. Imagine a statue of Jimmy Saville before and after his crimes came to light; before they came to light his statue would be welcome, after... not so much. Once upon a time, a slaver was considered worthy of glorification; should they be now? No. So we should stop glorifying them, by moving their statue to somewhere like a museum, to be remembered but no longer glorified.
@@Sivesind Liam Neason said in an interview that at one point he was pretty racist. Walked the streets drunk lookign for a fight with a black guy. Never did get that fight and, in the interview, said that this was obviously a terrible thing to do. But many said "liam neason is super racist" ignoring the growth of character - which was his whole point
You missed out WHY he was looking for a fight with a black man...after someone close to him had been raped by a black man...he wasn't just going out to fight a black man...a subtle difference. What he did was wrong but 'understandable'.
@@HBombzorz its crazy, they found it a lot harder to forgive liam neason of his sins than george floyd dont think liam neason ever put a loaded gun into a pregnant womans stomach while raiding her home
Sweet Jesus I love this character, but ffs! I only discovered Jonathan Pie a few weeks ago, I’ve a lot of catching up to do. These vids are restoring my faith in humanity (snd profanity 😂) . Thank you Jonathan. We need your kind more than ever 👍
Hits the nail on the head... I was actually going to post this to my Facebook page, as I think it is perfect. But I am genuinely too frightened of retaliation/ offending people who don't agree and will not engage in 'nuanced debate'.
I've had this for the past two weeks. I questioned an Olly'n'Pop video that was blantant political campaigning aimed at kids and have had no end in "friends" calling me a conspiracy theorist, taking the piss out of women who want to maintain female-only rape refuge centres and insinuating I'm a bigot. Now I hate going on FB because it's just toxic.
@@brittanydawn2633 I am sorry to hear that! I don't know if you remember the news story from Thailand a while ago regarding those poor children who were trapped in a cave. I posted something on Facebook saying something along the lines of how great it was to hear that all the children had been safely rescued, and congratulations to everyone who was involved. I got criticised heavily for that post, because one of the rescue party tragically died. I was mortified that I could be perceived as being insensitive. That absolutely wasn't my intent!
I did post it and while I added a disclaimer that I fully support BLM I got rants about "white privilege" and basically I shouldn't comment because I don't know "the struggle"... So yeah, good call. ;)
Dispite being white. I always lived my life that " your life matters" and give everyone 5 minutes of my time. Black white Asian trans male female and Ghostbusters. If I see a human needing help / drowning / car crash I always stop to help. I like to believe that most people live by this value. So the way the world has gone is totally messed up to me. I no longer understand the moral values of the world. Do I carry on giving people 5 minutes of my time or do I just ignore people now as I don't understand what to base the morals I always treated them with. Given up on humanity it's failed as people used to be people free to be who they are rather than being labels in a catalogue of types of people. You can all learn something from each other if you only listened to the people with different beliefs than yourself. It's how we used to grow as a people. Totally terrifying that everyone hates anything differently thought of. And it's a stagnant situation for us as the human race as it leaves us doomed to make the mistakes of the past.
Dick Salacious well said. Reminds me of classic Nietzsche, on the Genealogy of Morals. Might be worth a read for you. He kind of talks about the fallacy of what we take to be good or wrong. Those with power ultimately dictate what is good etc.
The sad thing is that moral values are very thin on the ground. We live in an increasingly Godless, lawless, tasteless world. There is many a reference to it in the Bible. I agree that all lives matter, i will never agree with certain groups of society and their ideology, the alphabet people being an example, but that does not mean their lives are worth less than anyone else's.
I think the majority of people are the same mate. It's just the media trying to divide us and make us believe we no longer have humanity. The reality is I would help all of those above you mentioned also, but I would definitely think twice about helping a journalist, politician, lord, judge, baroness, earl, police etc. They bring it on themselves. Humanity isn't doomed they are.
@@cmac7188 yeah, the Bible should teach us about morals, as it contains probably the worst morals possible. Thought crime and eternal punishment (Jesus), forgiveness for believing (you may do horrible things, but be a firm believer and you'll be saved, just how child raping priests like it), punishment for not forgiving (just what a rape victim craves for), slave ownership, collective punishment (Sodom), death penalty, including the offspring, for praying to the wrong entity (Moses, after being told the 10 commandments, he knew the priorities, did he?), being expelled for having sex during red alert, wiping out the whole world (Noah), shaming women for not wearing a scarf during prayer (go figure, it's not in the Quran, but the Bible) and of course being born of sin, aka being guilty by birth. I couldn't imagine any better book for finding my morals.
What I love about Pie is that he express, in a more eloquent way, things that I also complain about. I complained with my, now-former, best mates about how woke culture was no different than right-wing bigotry. It's all about taking things to an extreme and censorship. One side censors under the banner of free-speech, the other does it under the banner of inclusivity. Both have little mercy with those deemed to be "in the wrong." I have no idea what the religious inquisition was like, but I can now understand how people were drowned and burned with little to no evidence.
I'm with you mate, I have been ganged up on attacked and cancelled by very good friends for deviating from their woke group think. Merely presenting an alternative and calmly explaining it is their justification to scream you out of the room...
Exactly! I've lost quite a few friends and being labeled "a traitor" due to having spoken out about how ridiculous and authoritarian the Left have become. Ironically, the only mates I have left are the ones which are fairly right wing
@@Tazza81 LOL I'm sure we are not alone. I went to a fairly liberal Uni and identified as more liberal minded in my politics, but cannot support the lefts methodolody. The mad thing is on the whole well intentioned people want to achieve the same goals. I just disagree with how the left is going about it. That small difference seems to be impossible to talk about in a civil way for these guys.
He will. Intersectional identity politics and cancel culture are, unfortunately, the future for the western world. At least for the short-term foreseeable future. It's coming from the left and the left utterly dominate media, social media, academia and most other major institutions in the western world. Anybody who speaks out against it will be cancelled.
Well said and about time, judging people from 100 years ago by today's standards is madness. The virtue signalling and the identity politics is nauseating. There was some guy that said whoever has not sinned throw the first stone, unfortunately he has been deplatformed and cancelled or at least that is what they are trying to do.
@J S I'm of the opinion that statues of the past should be placed in museums so we don't forget the mistakes of our forefathers. They don't represent today, they weren't all good or bad, but we as a society have moved on long past their ways to a brighter future. We should have that in museums to display the past accurately.
At the moment is not just those people who are on trail but their entire fucking race, all white people are up on trail for the actions of people hundreds of years ago. I've actually seen people talking about being 'ashamed' of being white. The fact we are expected to feel guilt or shame for people whos views, attitudes and actions are archaic, abhorrent and in no way reflect our own views, attitudes and actions because we share skin colour is absolutely racist.
@@pixiniarts The fact that Africans sold Africans into slavery to the highest bidder is conveniently ignored. Before the Europeans arrived Africans were selling their own to the Arabs and other Africans for centuries. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston
"A liberal Left that almost entirely ignores economic inequality in favor of indentity politics." Yes. That is also what is going on in the U.S. Everyone is caught up in identity while the rich get richer and the middle class vanishes. Divide and conquer. The corporatists have won.
Then again we also have a growing part of the far left that doesn’t care about identity politics and does care about class struggle so not all is lost.
@@irascendedkitten7450 Class struggle? They dont care about income inequality or anything remotely close to that, they only wants to topple the goverment
@@irascendedkitten7450 thats kind of the problem though, the actual left are about ending the class divides... but we dont hear that because the class with all the money owns the media who keeps the narrative on what some idiot 16 year old highschool girl was yelling about gender at a rally. the actual left wing, like jeremy corbyn, are assassinated in the right wing media for being jew haters, which is absurd, but thats the same identity politics that the media paints as left wing while it is using it to destroy the actual left wing and yet leaves the right wing in power, despite them being way more racist and sexist. identity politics is the bread and butter of the right wing, while the left has been concerned with economic inequality for 100 years the right has been dividing groups up into completely unnecessary identity groups and persecuting them as a means of divide and conquer, that is still working thats why theyre still in charge. im 40 years old, the ACTUAL left hasnt been in power in the uk in my lifetime, weve had consumerist neolib thatcherism for my entire life. yet pie is talking about people being thrown in jail for telling jokes... ok, and this is the fault of the left how? whos actually in government in charge of this shit? oh, its the right...
necaacen In the US it's two corporate ideologies who pretend to fight each other. The hope I have is that the Internet and circumstances will continue to grow the left here because they aren't even giving us a social Democrat to save capitalism this time.
Im not a comic book fan usually, but V for Vendetta was originally a comic I read it in one day it's fucking amazing highly recommend. If you liked the movie get the graphic novel.
The problem with first world economies is that we've become so wealthy that we have the resource to waste on attacking others for their opinion(s), whilst the rest of the world is still busy trying feed itself. People who call out others for being privileged need to take good look at themselves.
I've had 'issues' with more 'Jonathan Pie' videos than not recently (and yet I'm still subscribed, almost as if he's entitled to hold a different opinion on some matters), but this one is right up there with the early ones that earned my subscription in the first place - probably the best I've seen on the current 'identity' shit show. I've criticised you a few times in the past Tom, but many thanks for this particular offering. The country needs this video, and this channel generally (even when you're 'wrong').
@@kookiecat79 Funny thing is I call all little kids in my life "lil monkey", is that not allowed anymore? Guess they aren't old enough to be offended or they'd be protesting too lol "Monkeys' Lives Matter!"
@@Kerrigan.le.Awesome Exactly. Makes you wonder why people see a monkey and then make the leap to "it's got to represent something else". What mindset do they have where they think there is a link to be made?
Julian Assange is real. And we need him. But he's busy rotting in a maximum-security prison awaiting extradition for a 175-year sentence in the US. Because he revealed the truth of the brutality of our WORLD governments and corporations. What a world we live in...
@divorcedme that sketch is not seen as far right racist yet by the woke inquesition. If they say its racist ignore you ever saw it otherwise it is of to the incinerator
I mean, the Greeks were notorious for their liberal use of slavery. So I mean... tolerance and apathy... but to who? The slaves might well "cancel" Aristotle! And so they should! I think this is similar to what we see nowadays. People who are happy with the current systems of oppressions (e.g. racism/sexism) want it to remain as it is (letting e.g. micro-aggressions brush under the rug), and those who are not (for whom off-the-cuff remarks like those are the straw which breaks the camel's back) are angry, demanding change, tired of the "debate". Unfortunately I'd count Pie as being in that first group. He's a leftie, sure, but he's quite alright with not being socially progressive. Curious what you think!
Is it possible to "like" content here more than once ? - this video deserves some sort of super like. *Completely correct, succinctly put, and excruciatingly accurate of the frustrations the majority of us who aren't in the woke brigade feel every day* thank you Jonathan.
@@amonk97 Tucker is a right-wing conservative commentator. Pie/Tom Walker is a liberal himself but who is pissed at the "extreme left" of "Woke cancel culture." Not the same by any means. To Tucker Carlson, anyone who is liberal is part of the "woke cancel culture" even though that's not true.
@@renegaderaida526 well you know the score, biological sex is oppressive and I'm a piece of sh*t for being "Pro Gender Roles". I voted remain back in the day, but accepting the result is a bad thing 🤷🏻♀️ And God know what else!
When a fake reporter does a better job than real reporters.
He needs to be prime time news, we need news that does real research and which doesn’t have its own agenda. News for the people and that’s honest is what’s needed. It’s all negative according to the media, which is why I won’t watch the “Mainstream” media.
Every time!
Using lies to tell the truth.
Not really, he's ranting.
@@mkbfpv He's enjoyable to watch but nobody should take their "news" from one person.
It's reached a point now where political satire has become "telling it how it is" because reality is just that comical.
scary shit
You sir are exactly right...
No, we past that point in 2002 in the run up to the Iraq war, it basically broke Rory Bremnar.
Poe's Law: "Look at me. I am your political discourse now."
Comical, but I'm not laughing.
"Identity politics which brings people together by segregating them in to smaller and smaller groups based on their gender, their sexuality and their skin colour".
Try and have a conversation about gender with someone and how sex and gender are different, which for the record they are. However, the people who generally talk about this keep interchanging what they mean, like they suggest what everyone else does. You cannot have a discussion when they can't keep their own story straight.
I’m sorry but sex and gender are not different. They mean the same thing.
@@ozrick_major very uninformed statement.. you should at least try and read about the topic first
@@ozrick_major One can be a verb, the other only the difference between men and women.
@@ozrick_major - nope, not any more. Not that long ago many would have perceived them to be the same thing, but recently gender is what a person identifies as than what their actual DNA says. (Even though despite what you add/remove, you can not change the DNA). A more in depth BS description can be found here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
A great example of virtue signalling celebs like Taylor Swift complaining about gender can be found here:
www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/06/27/taylor-swift-only-male-and-female-gender-options-on-census-form-a-brutal-erasure-of-people/
Taylor - bless her little heart, was unable to read & decipher plain English on the census form as it did not ask about gender but about person 1's SEX - not gender.
Ahhh but they mean the same, nope as @mrtalos mentioned, they redefine/alter/change the differences and definitions of gender, proclaiming they are not the same thing...
SEX = biological sex embedded within your own DNA
GENDER = what a person identifies as, though that person can not accept their own biological sex within their DNA, which to some people might seem to be a symptom of having a psychological issue/disorder
"You're entitled to your opinion, as long as it's not your own."
Excellent video as always Pie. We need you on prime time.
The left will eventually turn on themselves entirely when there's none left to demonise for having a different worldview.
Projection. Far righters literally work together to then work against each other
Jonathan Pie. The only one who can say "twat" and "woe betide" in the same breath, while strengthening the core argument.
I haven't heard the phrase "woe betide" with such force before. 🤣
Love this comment. Brilliant.
This guy is my hero, if everyone had this amount of common sense the world would be a better place
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You mean, like a utopia?
Unfortunately, my friend, "common sense" is a myth we offer to comfort ourselves; which, unfortunately, divide people by establishing an Us vs. Them mentality.
If everyone had this much common sense we really would be living in a utopia!
@@k.saunders7666 having common sense doesn't equate to having the same ideals/values.
Most people have common sense.
They just kept their heads down and wanted to get on with their lives without getting involved.
Now they have woken up in a society where they can no longer voice their common sense for fear of losing their jobs.
When this guy gets it right, he REALLY nails it.
Lmfao ok, bud.
IMO it's not about being right but understanding everybody's perspective is valid. It might be deluded to you but it's their truth. If we approach each other non judgementally and with compassion, we are far more likely to bring about healing in them & the situation than constant finger wagging.
that's a matter of opinion ... oh wait ...
When Pie-Gob-Face and the words on the page click like this, its getting up there with Black Mirror for visceral social commentary
Not everybody's perspective is valid. Only those grounded on some sort of objective reality, not myth, majority opinion, feelings or any other internal or subjectively generated external souce. Race is a culturally constructed concept based on no scientific evidence that isn't preceded by the term 'pseudo'. Cultures aren't static entities they are dynamic and evolve over time and they certainly aren't connected in any way with ones skin colour. There is no such thing as Black or Black African culture - go ask the Tusti and Houtu. Their conflict is described as 'class' warfare and it is. Between the haves and have nots. in terms of wealth and power.
Maybe in a predominantly white country a poor white will have 'white priveledge' over a non-white, but whilst the poor on both side are fighting over the crumbs and squabbling over petty difference it keeps attention off of those with the cake, wealth and power and that's how they like it.
check out www.forbes.com/billionaires/ and you'll see that 134/200 are 'white' who only make up 11% of the world population. They are the Tutsi we should ALL be looking at.
This is me. I've been a leftie since I was a teenager and still am but I just feel lost now in a sea of pretentious bullshit and have become less and less involved with politics. It's a mixture of the bullying, intimidation Jonathan describes plus pissing competitions with everyone trying to prove how ideologically pure they are ("Look at me! I'm the best socialist because I care more about Palestinians than Ukrainians!") plus just stupidity. How did we get to a point where we are imitating the far right by denying science and labelling facts as opinions and calling unprovable convictions facts? And how hard have we worked to convince the white lads on the Durham estates I grew up on that we hate them because they're male and white. My theory is that it started with the downfall of the unions when left wing politics moved from the factories to the universities.
i think it just happened when left-wing politics became watered down with neoliberalism from the 1990s onwards. who knows... i feel very much like you too.
The way he gets vexed then nonchalantly says "in to the incinerator you go" makes me laugh so hard
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But you know, at this very moment, someone will be screaming for JP to be #cancelled for mentioning "incinerator" in the context of RLB and the shared article.
Of course, JP is spot on... A mear mention of anything outside of "acceptable norms", regardless of context, results in cancellation of a person, their families and anyone who ever conversed with them.
"you are free to do as we tell you..."
Lol my favourite part of his whole rant.
"No no, just leave your belongings there" XD
But don’t you find it a little anti-Semitic? Isn’t that what the Germans did to the Jews? And yes I know they didn’t burn them alive...or did they?
He really hits the nail on the head regarding mob mentality (either online or in real life). Not only is it in essence bullying, but it's a perpetual circle of shaming anyone diverging from the agreed upon "correct" opinion. I don't see how we can live in a society that doesn't tolerate differences of opinions and the civil discourse that it normally implies. That's not healthy.
And before anyone starts doing violence to their keyboard to reply; no, that doesn't mean advocating for racism, sexism, etc. But at some point, we must recognize that we're all different, don't have the same life experiences, and don't draw the line on some issues at the same place. If we factor everyone, we get a balanced middle ground. But if instead we pathologically shame and censor, that becomes targeted oppression.
Trying to reach uniformity of thought (real or perceived) is absolutely dangerous.
Straight-on. We lost the dialogue to the bottom line.
I gave up Facebook a year ago as I felt I was being pressured to conform, become mediocre and join the herd.
Lol forgive me but I just read that in Pie's voice it was that good
Having inhabited left wing circles in my early days, I can tell you there is no "agreed upon" opinion. By definition in "progressivism" anything agreed is merely temporary until you make "progress" by finding another grievance/resentment which, inevitably in some way, conflicts with your previously "agreed upon". e.g. LBGTQ+ vs. Islam
(This constantly shifting ground is what usually drives intelligent left wingers away from the left to sanity and more solid ground i.e. conservatism.)
There is in fact, bitter competition among left wingers to be, and very much more importantly, be seen to be more "right on" than the left winger next door. It makes the bourgeois activity of "keeping up with the Jones's" look positively tame and compassionate by comparison. It also drives the ever more absurd left wing claims - a sort of left wing version of the Four Yorkshire Men.
It's part of why I don't really discuss my opinions on the internet anymore. I just read the dumb shit and move on, instead of trying to put forward a view which doesn't reflect their agenda.
"Assumption of bigotry at every available opportunity" is a great description of the first world nowadays.
yep and as Johnathan Pie has said previously "assumption is the mother of all F ups
First world? That's bigoted language REEEEEEE!!
No. Just of social media. Accept the rules or stay out of it.
Irony is the definition of a bigot is someone who won't accept the expression of different opinions.
@@pansepot1490 But that will play into it as well..."you didn't support 'X' on facebook?" "I don't have have face-book". "OMG I din't know you were an anti-science fascist!, I can't be friends with you...now where did I put that incinerator."
'Identity politics brings people together by separating them into smaller and smaller groups.' Sums it up pretty well.
Used to get that on the 1980s Scooter Scene, no wonder it died off in the start of the 90s sadly.
Yeah, and then those groups will begin picking each other off one by one.
Eugenics is on the way
Well said!!
Black trans lives matter. I didn't think it was possible to break trans people down into an even smaller group ahaha.
Brilliant...the rant that's been going on in my head...only with the words in the right order.
Exactly what I just said to my wife pal
Burnham book The Suicide of the West describes it as liberal ideology syndrome. Or in layman language people who only agree with people who agree with each other.
You can say that with an anonymous social media name. I can too. I agree with you 100%. We fucked, though.
I love how Pie rips into both sides of the political spectrum and is accurate in his criticisms either way.
I haven't seen him rip into anything meaningful on the left though. He mostly talks about cancel culture with 90% of the left disagrees with and which is done by a vocal minority of people. If he has actually critiqued any policies or ideas then ok but being a 'liberal' himself could literally mean he's anywhere on the political spectrum.
@@te1327 on cancel culture ever the woke left disagrees with it seeing it as ineffective it seems like no one wants it.
It doesn't change peoples minds it only makes them conform at best
@@te1327 correct
It's called being a moderate.
@Albert Wesker becasue they are a very loud minority and corporations tend to cave in pretty easily when people start complaining about an employee's misconduct, even if it is a few. After all the company can just replace the employee, and they care more about brand image then what that one guy they fired who said the n word when he was 16 will do after they fire him.
This would be hilarious if it wasn't so terrifyingly close to the truth. Genius work and ironically better than any 'real' tv journalism i've seen in years.
It would not be hilarious if it wasn't terrifyingly close to the truth
What do you mean close? It is the damn truth!
Spot on.
Whether I agree or disagree with what he says, he nails it every time
So true, watched channels get hit hard for years over and over. For clearing showing evidence or stating facts, for speaking on behalf of everyones benefit. Sad, it's just a clowns world now.
I love how he's actually calmer than normal here.
Maybe he's just so disappointed with the Left at this point that he can't even even build up enough steam to do a full rant.
Thought Pie had lost his mojo for a bit but here he’s back and hits it absolutely spot on. Identity and victimhood politics is consuming our culture before our very eyes, an insatiable bacteria of wokeness.
He's been full lefty for a while now, but he realises it isn't getting him anywhere. Lefties have no sense of humour, so his gags were missing the mark. He pulled it back somewhat here.
extremism is the insatiable bacteria.
@@MrBillUp - I'd say that the majority on the left have been fed up with pc for quite some time. Unfortunately the minority control left-wing politics. Incidently, the right are just as bad at trying to censor, de-platform, shut the debate down and condemning people for holding a different viewpoint. There just isn't a convenient 'pc-like' label with which to collectivise such actions. Though the indiscriminate use of 'fascist' seems to have gained ground. Unfortunately, whilst we're all arguing about what is, essentially, the peripheral issue of pc and identity politics, all the really important issues are being ignored. Economically, for instance, we've moved so far to the right, in recent decades, following the totally bogus and debunked ideology of neoliberalism, that most people haven't even noticed that the rich and their political chums, have been taking a larger and larger share of the economic pie, at everyone elses expense. Nor that it doesn't 'trickle down'. Wealth and income gaps have grown to their largest since Victorian times. The 'centre' has shifted so far to the right that anyone suggesting ANYTHING outside of absolute neoliberal dogma, is instantly labelled a 'radical', a 'loony', a 'commie' or a 'marxist', no matter how mild the policy or reform. As for 'anti-semite' it's now applied to anyone giving even the mildest criticism of Israeli policy. Even when stating pure facts.
@Prithu well said. Edit, apart from the woke being right wing bit. And nazism is the disowned daughter of communism. Mussilini was a communist and tweaked the outward expansionist ideology by refocusing it inwards - ie nationalism. And Hitler liked that flavour of communism... A lot.
@@Codex7777 The Israel / "anti-Semitic" thing is very true, but also applies to criticism the power/belief structures within Islam and "Islamophobia".
When people were protesting Brunei for their plan to stone homosexuals to death, some were accusing the protesters of being "Islamophobic" for trying to protect gay MUSLIMS from being murdered for their inherent, biological sexuality.
Finally, genuine outrage about the slimy slide into the tyranny of ideological correctness. It's amazing that only a few comedians can voice have a voice. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”― Edmund Burke
I need the "Into the incinerator" gesture to be .gif'ed so I can use it myself. It's both hilarious and so very fucking scary how right he is within the context of his character.
The world is upside down, we used to laugh at comedians and listen to politicians.
Now we laugh at politicians and listen to comedians.
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reminds me of a quote by Bret Weinstein that I came across recently: the population is made up of four types of people: A small number hunt witches. A large number go along with the hunt. A larger number are silent. A tiny number oppose it. The final group--as if by magic--become witches
If you play that game long enough, the silent group will become witches as well, because they cant take it anymore.
@@DonCurrywurst i mean rather than being the witches, it's that they are forced not to be quiet
@@nathanaelraynard2641 I meant figuratively speaking. Ofc they are not witches, but the crazy ones try to paint them that way.
Gold!
That is sooooo true
There's the point right there, I'm black and it's crazy to view things of the past through today's filter. Yes it is abhorant what some of these figures did but a lot of people did stuff that wasn't necessarily great back then.
If people go by that mantra best stay off of social media because in 30/40 years time they'll be a lot of stuff that others will find offensive about you.
That fact we can't discuss anything nowadays and Identity politics and all this nonsense is causing more harm than good.
And not just judging people with today's standard, also summing up someone's entire life by the flaws they had. So sure, some of the things these figures thought or did were bad, but that isn't all they did, is it? Is there something that they did that helped as well? Such 1 denominational thinking.
30 - 40 years? At the current rate, 30-40 weeks is enough to see your previously mainstream opinions declared Wrongthink.
This was the part of Pie's argument I struggled with. Our local 'philanthropist' here in Bristol knew what he was doing to people, and likely did so through a genuine belief that these people were inferior, maybe less than human. Supposedly the Nazis also had this mindset and so were able to carry out the Holocaust. The idea is people aren't evil, but do evil things based on their beliefs. That said I still can't personally see past Colston's crimes. And from that amassed huge wealth with which to give to various causes around the city
@@bluemachine85 Trouble is where does it end? For example Samuel Pepys invested heavily in the East Africa Company. How should we view things like that?
People just need to stop being so damn sensitive. Judging history by todays socialist censored values. Discuss differences in opinions instead of shutting them down. How the fuck is someone supposed to change their opinion or even think about changing it if people don’t provide argument and reason as to why they think the opinion is wrong. Challenge opinions, debate, discuss. If at the end of that both parties are in agreement, great. If not, agree to disagree and move the fuck on and get on with your life. Stop being so damn sensitive.
He is right, we are going backwards. We aren’t saying we are all in this together, we are all the same, all human... No, We are separating people, assuming so much about entire groups, dividing people on race and gender and setting everyone against each other. The worst thing is the world is okay with this, it’s like they’ve accepted a mentality of segregation and inherent guilt, a mentality of zero responsibility or self determination. We are creating a society of weak weirdos who can’t function properly because they might cry if someone says something they don’t like. It’s almost like a religious cult.
My best friend of 30 years completely disagrees with my opinions and I with his, but we have still been the best of friends 30 years. However, his teenage kid hates me because I disagree with their family opinions and hates how we discuss it, yet still disagree. And I mean real hate, not dislike. That is what society is creating now, hatred of opposing thought. "This is what I think and if you disagree I hate you and want you gone"
We are entering a dark age.
“WE” are not doing that - the LEFT is doing that. And until the left is willing to see the rot in their own party and to speak out against it, the witch hunters will one day come for all of you too.
It IS a full on cult.
Dragonaut - your comment is transphobic! You're cancelled, you horrible cis-gendered person.
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face-for ever.”
― George Orwell, 1984
This quote encapsulates our present society succinctly.
How so?
Simon McNamee Grow up Simon. Extrapolate.
@@vespadavidson2315 What I've extrapolated is pseudo-intellectual bullshit quoting. Happy "wise" elder?
@@simonmcnamee619 obtuse lol
C'mon, everyone - it's pretty obvious. The further you get from the centre, the more authoritarian you need to be to maintain the position. So...when the right or the left have gone far enough, they look exactly the same from the perspective of the general population because the rightness/leftness is no longer the operative aspect - it's the authoritarianism. You either get Atlas Shrugged or 1984, but the population are just as screwed either way.
"into the incinerator". Imagine if a group of people had done this in the past so we could learn from it and not make the same mistakes.
Anyone that has the vaguest concept of history is watching whats going on with distinctly sweaty palms.
@@pixiniarts yknow ive got dual citizenship with new zealand... its tempting
I'm backing on Elon getting us to Mars in time!
Jacinda is woke as f**k, stay away.
@@kitstorm7637 With their current Leader?
I'm literally too scared to share this, I may be forced into the incinerator.
Me to 👽
Mind you 👽 don't burn anyway so I should be fine
Leave your belongings here. It won't hurt a bit.
the fear of speech is their goal, your silence will be your doom , you're screwed either way
I'm not. Bring it on.
This whole thing has become a joke. Tech firms are spending tens of millions changing terms like master, slave and blacklist when this money can be given to charity or something more productive than just more virtue signalling.
While I agree, a lot of corporations do a lot of virtue signalling, which can be sickening, it's just capitalism and has nothing to do with left wing politics. A company like apple don't want to appear racist, sexist or anything bad ,not for any moral reasons, they don't have any, just because they won't to sell there stuff to everyone, so money well spent from a profit point of view, and charity isn't (unless there's publicity involved.
1. They’re not spending tens of millions. 2. They’re doing it get more business. The money wouldn’t just be sitting around if it wasn’t used on that, it would be put towards getting more business in another way. 3. Big companies already donate to charities.
Well, as English is not my native language, the terms "master" and "slave" sound at the very least strange when you try to translate them literally... But what's wrong with "blacklist" ? Does this word have origin in slavery ? I thought that colour black is used here as a metaphor for something bad, just like red is a universal symbol for danger.
I have only used 'master' and 'workers' with clustering and i've been doing that for over 20 years. 'Slave' isn't really accurate here, so I don't care about it being widely dropped. I also never used blacklist but always used 'DROPPED' or 'REJECTED', again, as it was more accurate.
continue with level of ignorant denial, you future is looking like our past!!
Pie saying what everyone is thinking. So, how long until Pie is cancelled for "Controversial opinions"?
3 months 5 pound bet
His time will come...
I think it depends on who you are co-dependent on. Have a lot of 'woke' friends and you are at risk of losing them. Be independent of all that and you can still say pretty much what you like. As a result the online activists do the most damage to each other.
With this one he may get relegated to the 2 AM time slot on HBO (to join George Carlin).
@Dave T You'll find out he does. Trust me.
Cancel culture truly makes me afraid of future...
superninja252 I agree I hate to think what it will be like in 10 or 20 years time
Future? It is right here, right now...
We've been warning the normies for fuckin years.
I agree. Vocal minority or not, they hold the sword of power and change at the moment. Their political opinions are already making their way into law. In 10 years I really dont think we will have free speech at all - well, we already lost that a while ago but in 10 years I fear we will look back at today's world as "not that bad".
Clean up any social media accounts retraceable to you. Any non-essential statements, any even slightly controversial message etc. Never know when you will get shit for it, never know if you will ever be in the spotlight.
"an assumption of bigotry at every available opportunity". Sad but true.
Proceeds to call out "right wing bigots"....
Well, the article was 1 antisemitic and 2 even the author apologised. The least Rebecca could do was apologise. That easy.
This highlights the contrast between labour leadership and whatever it is the Torys have... Given that Kier asked her to apologise/take it down, I hate to say it, I disagree with Jonathan.
@@kelvincasing5265 hes was talking about right wing bigots, not trying to generalise the right as bigots
@@kelvincasing5265 Is there a right wing in Britain? I see no evidence of it.
Tfw I get called a transphobe for making a dark joke about trans people, even though I am trans myself.
Made a joke about trans people?
You're a Nazi.
That's right,you are now in the SS.
Calling it a "dark" joke is very racist
Welcome to the "far right", my friend. We love all outcasts here.
What was the joke? I'm must know. Please share.
You’re obviously not trans enough.
This isn't even satire, nothing here is overly exaggerated, it's just fact.
exactly it's not comedy but news more acurate than the news
Psst, don't tell anyone: satire has a better chance of surviving a lawsuit than facts. It is satire. Period ;-)
This isn't satire, this is a good old sermon )
@@chrisko6439 that was my thinking. Thank god there's a relatively mainstream voice speaking out about this, it sometimes seems like the whole world has gone mad!
Albeit being satire, this is some of the best political commentary I have ever heard...the world has gone mad.
Chris Bates satire often is the best political commentary. I know what I wrote there isn’t an original or complex thought, but I think it needs to be emphasised, especially nowadays.
The problem is all current political commentators are either woke liberal lefties or afraid of speaking the truth for fear of losing their jobs!
it has gone mad
In George Orwell’s 1984, the truth is kept secret. In Albert Huxley’s Brave New World, it’s drowned in a sea of irrelevance.
Aldous Huxley
Pie warned about this in his video Trump: How and Why. That was nearly four years ago, it’s only gotten worse
It gets crazier. Around late 2013, when Dan Harmon got fired from Community (which curiously is under a microscope now too for the episode Advanced Dungeons and Dragons) and started his Harmontown podcast, he repeatedly referred to this at the time emerging trend of stifling discourse to root out any dissenting views.
The great irony of it is of course that this kind of thing is staple of right wing, conservative censorship. Profane, blasphemous and vulgar used to be the right’s thought control mechanism and complement to the modern non-PC, offensive and InsertDemographicHere-phobic.
Ah yes, probably his best video ever, almost 4 years ago...and society doesn't change much. Or maybe it changed to a worse state?
Yes I originally thought this was that video.
Yeah four years on, Tom Walker's got richer
I was immediately reminded of it when he said the right have taken over free speech. It's crazy that not only is it still relevant, but its actually gotten worse.
I've seen Pie evolve from a cliche'd synthetic Guardianista ranter into an authentic, outraged truth-ranter. Fascinating. They'll be coming for him very soon. I wish him well.
...and I have to say, that's equally chilling (even if it was you drawing out the humour), and I really do hope not. However I do think he would tie knots in any attempts to trap him.
I was just thinking myself today that when I was a rabid leftist that he had similar views to me. Glad he's a lot more centrist and less biased
It's a front:
Jonathan Pie is funded by far right Koch foundation (climate change deniers) to spread the message that it's actually the left that are intolerant.
@@indyref2now342 I was a socialist, like most conservatives. The left are the intolerant ones, ask any comedian where they will not go, the answer is inevitably universities. Bastions of free thinking my ass. I came out more indoctrinated and arrogant then beforehand. The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
Pie isnt authentic. Hes a fictional character.
To the 3% of the earth's population that use Twitter:
This video....
Only 3%? Wow, it feels like so much more...
@@Thedistinguishedgentleman8045 i guess i should be happy that ONLY 3% of people are willfully letting their life be sucked put of them
@@goodname7613 even more happy that a good chunk of those people probably use it because they're running some internet business or YT channel and kind of need it for their news updates or exposure.
in its core you could use twitter as it were an rss feed, but with people actually seeing it,
they used to before everything got politicized lol
i know many people that don't use social media except for having a direct feedback channel towards their customers for their small businesses.
facebook is still oddly popular here (netherlands) as a chat platform under younger people too, that's where all the people are.
Gordon Haddow Twitter is actually one of the worst social media platforms in the world, it’s truly worrying
People are sheep and follow like herd, they are easily manipulated. That is what world leaders understand and put in practice everyday knowing that whatever little resistance is out there is is swept aside by the woke minions. But, and that's our only hope, not all people are the same, southern Europeans do not care to appear racist if their liberties are at stake. The Japanese instead would even be happy to be ruled by robots, apparently 🙄
I've been liberal my entire life, only to see western liberalism collapse under this arbitrary "woke" agenda. So thank you, Mr. Pie, for bringing reason back to the ideals I've valued for so long. And, just saying.... Jonathan Pie MP?
You alrady put one in office, his name is BORIS JOHNSON, how did that "woke"out for you ? you,re end as a relevant society!! continue and you as a people will follow shortly behind, Ukraine anyone? dumb as ever!!!
Pie, you just perfectly articulated what most sane people on the right, center and left have been thinking for the last few years.
They say they fight for acceptance, but can't accept the fact that it's impossible for people to have the exact same opinion.
"Inclusivity for all, but not you because I don't agree with one minor detail of your opinion"
@Jerome Bustillo And yet so many people seem to be in agreement on this page! Good times! Yet, I must respectfully disagree with your opinion. You are wrong. Hope you're okay with that.
Then it,s time for those of differing opinions to return to whence they came, which includes you!!
This woke culture is aggressive nonsense. Agree with this video entirely.
@Matt There's nothing commendable about being censorious to protect someones feelings
Cazi the intention isn’t to protect feeling but lives. If you allow people to be dehumanised and racially degraded it doesn’t result in just hurt feeling, it results in death. Having said that what passes for left wing in modern neoliberals Democratic state is fucking useless at archive that and pretty much just make things worse by blaming the poor down trodden masses of a slightly lighter skin colour.
@@AlwaysAC Yeah the stats disagree with you on that. Hate crimes are going up. Everywhere. You know when they were at an all time low? The 90s/early 2000. Where was cancel culture back then? Where did you see people losing their job or being put in prison for racist comments or obvious jokes back then?
You know what really cause racism? Segregation. You can't hate a group if you know members of that group and you can see that they are humans just like you. Segregation used to be a tool of the right wing bigots but now, the woke left are the one calling for segregation. Which is utterly insane. Putting people into groups even for the purpose of ''positive discrimination'' will always end up dividing people, will always give people an us vs them mentality.
@@giantWario *You know when they were at an all time low? The 90s/early 2000. Where was cancel culture back then?*
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Correlation is not causation. 'Cancel culture' as it is known is a phenomenon unique to social media. Hate crimes have been steadily on the rise and saw a surge around the time of the referendum alongside the increase of nationalism and anti-immigrant sentiment as a political tool to galvanise certain groups in UK society. Similarly in the U.S with the Trump phenomenon, the *mainstream* support of BLM groups were in response to Trumps "anti-other" rhetoric.
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It's worth noting that reporting and data capture of hate crimes have become much more sophisticated and so part of the rise can be attributed to this, also given the shift in attitude it has become more common for victims of hate crime to come forward, and for their crimes to be treated more seriously.
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Economically, the 1990s was a relatively prosperous period, with extensive improvements in social welfare. The tipping point where tensions begin to rise is after the 2008 economic collapse, the impact of which has been wage stagnation for almost a decade, and a rise in poverty.
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*Where did you see people losing their job or being put in prison for racist comments or obvious jokes back then?*
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Your question conflates two different things. 1.) Companies have long had the right to terminate people's employment based on actions the employee commits outside of work hours which bring the company into disrepute. What's changed is that civilians are engaging in very public displays of racism, or lewdness which comes to the attention of the company in a much more exposed way, which is difficult for the company to ignore.
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The Crime and Disorder Act wasn't introduced until 1998 which might be the reason why fewer people were convicted for acts relating to hate crime. And again, much of the examples of hate crime that make the headlines tend to be related to social media. The rise of social media occurred circa 2006. In the case of Markus Meechan, (who was not imprisoned but fined £800 in breach of the Communications Act 2003) his defence team failed to convince the court that the video was only intended for his girlfriend as he claimed.
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*Putting people into groups even for the purpose of ''positive discrimination'' will always end up dividing people*
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What are you basing this opinion on exactly? Less than 10 years ago the department for work and pensions commissioned a study to explore racial bias in the job application market. They created CVs and application forms that were comparable in qualification and experience, half with names like "john smith" and "Ian brown", the other half revealing the ethnicity of the applicant i.e. African and Asian names. They sent out over 1000 of these to a range of companies across a broad spectrum of industries. Their findings revealed that for the minority applicants to receive the same level of callback they would have to send out 75% more.
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This study is one in a literal ocean of peer-reviewed research across an array of areas from housing to the criminal justice system. Nuffield college, university of Oxford conducted a similar study (this time over 3000 CV/applications) comparing their finding to several decades of field research going back to the 1960s-they found through a similar blind test that the numbers were between 75-90% depending on the sector and ethnicity.
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Companies which make efforts to 'diversify' their staff are under no obligation to do so-enforced positive discrimination is illegal throughout Europe, so the idea that companies have to have quotas is a fictitious lie drummed up, most likely, by right-wing media. Institutions which make efforts to ensure equal opportunities come no-where close to undoing the pattern of racial bias indicated by the studies. The case of the U.S is somewhat different because of their complex history with legal segregation and the continuous efforts to reintroduce it by far-right groups.
@Matt Perhaps you are right, (in your first sentence, definitely not the last which I won't address here) but I think there is somewhat of a conflation going on between 'cancel culture' and 'wokeness'. However, BOTH are behaviours found in left and right-wing circles.
*(Klaxon)* _"John Spartan, you are fined one credit for a violation of the Verbal Morality Statute."_
My ears are still ringing, I have brain goosebumps and I think some darkness has been driven out. For me this is Mr Pie's most illuminating and awesome display of fire-works/power so far.
“Eat the Left.” - The Left
And it absolutely will.
@@Poon1312 they aren't liberals
I simply wish they'd started with themselves first. But huzzah the victorious revolution...and now dessert. With a side of myself.
For everyone only just feeling like this; welcome to the party. The rest of us have felt like this for years. This is why people left the Left.
Rob749s. And Pie recently showed some ignorance/misfired when he sla**ed off the result of being shoved further and further away from one's political home (e.g. average Liberal left) by lunatic ideologues when he did his recent rant against red pilling. It's happened to almost everyone I know. Take the last general election as a far wider example... Oh and, admittedly way way off topic (sorry), but just to have a quick random rant myself, Sir Starmer is no friend to the victims of the Rotherham child sex slave rings. More people should know the actions he took to protect the perverts.
@@nathanhobson1142
"Sir Starmer is no friend to the victims of the Rotherham child sex slave rings. More people should know the actions he took to protect the perverts."
Well mate here's you big chance to tell us all about it.
Off you go...fill ya boots.
You don't leave a political ideology becasue a small but vocal amount of people go around 'cancelling' people, especially since how diverse the lefts thought are your specific ideology on the left is probably completely different to those people.
iamreg1965 I’ve been waiting a while for someone to actually explain these comments about Starmer...
Rob749s Murdoch and his lot are laughing their heads off. This isn’t the left, this ain’t what the left stands for, but you can be damn sure it’s what the sun and daily mail will tell you the left stands for. Once you allow the multi billionaires to control the public image of your own ideology you’ve lost.
"To find out who rules over you, find out who you aren't allowed to criticize" - Voltaire
So... childen with cancer?
This quote is incorrectly attributed by Voltaire. It's by neonazi Kevin Alfred Strom: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Alfred_Strom
@@Tetizera Is it so? Lol I wouldn't trust anything from Wikipedia
@@MozrowDrops You don't need to trust Wikipedia, you can trust its sources.
@@Tetizera again, I wouldn't trust Wikipedia, neither it's sources I do my own research
this week in Scotland: man convicted of racial hatred for calling an Irishman a f**king leprechaun. Absolutely true.
Yeah but was he a leprechaun?
Colm M it doesn’t matter, if his tender sensibilities were hurt you’re done for. The law only considers the words used not their intent ie. you might have been joking but that doesn’t matter the recipient has found you guilty of a hate crime and the law agrees.
What a Caber tossing twat.
4 people got arrested for George Floyd jokes. These protesters should be protesting this but they don't care
Calling someone a leprechaun in Scotland can have a deeper meaning than elsewhere in the UK, your forgetting the long history of sectarian violence there.....
I couldn't agree with this more. Like, holy shit.
Amazing isn’t it?
yeah..... Like......
I love the setup of these videos. Start and end with the dull news cast trying to sound empathetic voice, to just saying as it is
'The assumption of bigotry'. Yep, that's the problem.
Spot on!!
The funny thing is when he assumes free speech has been handed to "right-wing bigots".
ReddwarfIV It has, right wing bigots say whatever they want. Anyone supposedly on the ‘left’ isn’t allowed to stray from the narrow narrative in any way without being attacked...
@@ReddwarfIV Who else is representing free speech in politics currently? Even the Lib Dems have gone woke.
In fairness though, this is much more complicated than he made out. Though people (e.g. Maxime Peake) may not *intend* to say something bigoted (in fact I'm sure she didn't), they do so without realising. It's not that people in her situation are bigots consciously, it's that they have SUBconsciously said a bigoted thing without even realising it. This is really the lesson of the Inherent Association Test (IAT) - perfectly normal people have biases (racist/sexist/homophobic) which they are not aware of, and which materialise between the lines of what they say.
Even though the intent isn't there, I think it's still okay to criticise. I think it's quite reasonable to draw attention to the words people use and what they mean (throwing aside their intent or justification). I might (naively) say something racist - and just because I didn't intend to be racist does not grant me immunity from criticism. If confronted by that, I'd hope that I would be like: "Yeah, you know what, I shouldn't have said that - it's a bit worrying that that passed me by!". But instead often people react defensively (and are in a sort of denial) when confronted with these 'accusations'... and because they remain stubborn in the face of evidence, suddenly the act is no longer subconscious... at that point the bigotry *is* conscious. So the assumption holds.
It’s almost like there was a book about Russian gulags that covered this a long while back?
"That comrade is the wrong opinion, a Tenner in the gulag for you!"
That’s a Tenner
You just know that Leftists didn't read it. Solzhenitsyn is problematic. So is Ayn Rand for that matter.
The moustache doesn't like your thinking, Comrade TH-camr. 10 years re-education.
@stevie bops Judging socialism by the gulag system is like judiging christianity by the inquisition and the witch-trials.
This needs to be played in every single household in the entire world
Andy Chaplin yep
Definitely!
Thought yous hated North korea
Thanks for speaking the truth. I've been struggling with this for a while and you elegantly packaged it for me. Glad to know there are so many others who feel the same.
I went right 10 years ago when all this started getting really out of hand.I couldn't follow the "Oppression Olympics" of the left because i believed in egalitarianism, i believed identity politics would just further and further fracture our society and was branded "far right bigot" for having an opinion on sensible immigration reform or my wish to have the UK leave the EU.
I've seen nothing but the escalation of cancel culture, just think how bad its got, all manner of comedy and tv shows partially or totally axed along with people who had "the wrong opinion"
Look at how our media tells us "27 police officers being injured is a largely peaceful protest" whilst a protest defending statues where 23 were injured was blanketed with the claim "far right" (albeit a small portion were)
And to be clear BOTH sides should have been comdemned,reported on and had the full weight of the law/police thrown at them-but i ask you, which group didn't ? The answer we sadly, already know...
Look at how when it was for the "right causes" Covid disappeared, the rules about distancing, gone....but when you protested the lock down (before BLMs protest) or the protested the destruction of statues (by the right and those who saw how dangerous destroying history was) and suddenly the media and police "remembered" we were still in lockdown.
We live in dangerous times.
The politicians, the media/social media and police all try "outwoking each other" but are caught in a feedback loop which is destroying social cohesion for the ironic reason of fighting racism yet are facilitating its growth.
It saddens me that as a long time left winger, I agree completely with everything you've said.
@@OliSmith111 same man. consider myself mid left, that was a scary insight
Oli Crooks Smith maybe we need to not classify as right or left but liberal and liberal in true sense where any backward or oppressive policy driven by religion/culture etc is not above criticism
Okay but which right wing party would you suggest supporting? The Tories are a bunch of SJWs themselves. Well, half the party is. Besides, I would never consider myself right wing. It's just not true. Wealth inequality continues to grow. I will always believe the poor should be less poor and the rich should be less rich. Well, unless something actually changes, but I don't see that happening, not even under so-called "left wing" parties.
"Look at how when it was for the "right causes" Covid disappeared, the rules about distancing, gone....but when you protested the lock down (before BLMs protest) or the protested the destruction of statues (by the right and those who saw how dangerous destroying history was) and suddenly the media and police "remembered" we were still in lockdown."
Huh? That's the opposite of reality. BLM protesters out spreading Covid and causing literal deaths (how can they say any lives matter when they behave like that?) are considered untouchable to the media and the police. Yet people are still (rightfully) blasted for breaking social distancing rules in other situations.
It legitimately makes me well up to hear Jonathan Pie. Gives me serious hope.
"I just a want proper discussion on the implications of..."
"(interrupting) no no no!! This way please. Into the incinerator." 😄😄😄
yes, my sentiment exactly. I keep trying to explain that debates with the people you agree with are pointless.
@@SparkyLabs If you agree with someone about a point, then isn't a discussion rather than a debate?
@@ecmorgan69 You can still agree with someone during a debate, the whole point of a debate is to make your point until someone agrees with you.
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last" ~ Winston Churchill
I'm reading Andrew Roberts' biography on Churchill at the moment - very interesting.
Shh, you can't quote Churchill, he's a racist. You can tell he's a racist because he was born before 1990 and he isn't BAME.
@@mikeboosh8776 I mean he was racist he called ghandi a " Dirty fakir" and really had a special hatred for Indians but I wouldn't tear his statue
They're not appeasing, they are capturing different people groups and eroding traditions across the planet
@@isaa7010 insulting are only words
Completely the most sensible thing I’ve heard anyone say in weeks.
I could not agree more.
Helen Hughes same
"1984" was written by George Orwell as a _warning_ , not as a guide on how to run a certain global "microblogging system"
It’s a mix of 1984 and brave new world but the world today is very much closer to brave new world
- Thou shalt interpret everything in the worst possible way.
(The first commandment of The Church of Woke)
- Thou shalt interpret everything the priesthood says in the best possible way
- There art no bad tactics; only there art bad targets
Is it just me or are people confusing “left” and “liberal” is if they’re the same thing? Or did I miss something.
The left stole the word liberal to hide their authoritarian goals behind...
I for one think you got it completely right. That's why Pie, an actual leftist, is going crazy over that confusion. They are not the same thing, and the fact that they came to be considered the same thing, is killing the left. What's worse is that all the opportunist right wing twats salivate on their keyboards posting "see, that's what we were saying all along" in rarely different words, as if their problem was really with the left while they were exactly on the same bandwagon with this specific "liberal" agenda all this time; only they wanted it on their own terms.
@@SamoIsKing You might want to do some research into economic theory and reevaluate
@J S thanks for the blog dude
@J S I think that maybe you are confusing Liberal with Libertarian. They are very different. To me the UK Liberal Party is not actually very "liberal". One of the biggest disappointments was when the SDP (which I quite liked) merged with the Liberal Party (which is a bit woke). I always preferred David Owen over David Steele.
I would like to laugh about it, but all this being true almost makes me cry instead
I want a "Into The Incinerator" shirt
Funny how the satirical journalism of today was professional journalism of yesterday.
The last broadcast before the gulag / re-education camp / Diversity & Inclusion seminar
i had compulsory diversity training in back in 2010 whilst working in the public sector. its been going a while
2020 Feels Like a South Park Season. If South Park doesnt make an episode about this i will be amazed
I can't wait for the next season now that you mention it :)
Well with trump for example they didn't just make an episode but an overarching story that spanned more than a season. This seems like one of those scenarios. Probably already in the making
The last broadcast before the gulag / re-education camp / Diversity & Inclusion seminar
Southpark provides actual PSA's.
Dont worry they're coming, and they brought a really BIG mirror.
They already did one on defunding the police. So they've probably already done one on this.
This is crazy interesting. The idea that everything needs to be judged by today’s standards is extremely problematic. And the assumption of bigotry and the complete absence of discussion in left wing politics is really really frightening. I do have to say though, the interview RLB retweeted wasn’t even explicitly anti-semitic, but I do love the irony in the ‘liberal left’ causing its own downfall. Also Jonathan Pie as a character is so bloody articulate I love it 😂.
RLB has a long history of blatant, hateful antisemitism. This was merely the last straw.
@@globedoc no she doesnt, and nothing in that article was even remotely antisemitic.
@@necaacen it was far, far less antisemitic than her usual full-throated hatred, but it was simply the last straw. By itself it would have probably gotten a pass, but considering her vile rhetoric in the past... It was time for her to go.
Jews deserve to be heard and acknowledged when people who exhibit habitual hatred continue to do so unrepentant.
@@globedoc probably gotten a pass? there was 0 antisemitism in the article, she retweeted an article from the independent news paper that had absolutely nothing in it that was antisemitic.
conflating the actions of the israeli government with jewish people is actually an antisemitic trope according the very definitions that the labour party signed up to. so saying a criticism of israel is an attack on jewish people is in itself antisemitic, because you are unfairly conflating the actions of a government of a country with a race of people. thats racism, criticising a government isnt racism.
long-bailey hasnt got a racist bone in her body. israel is a terrorist state guilty of a long list of humanitarian crimes and interference in other countries affairs, that FACT has nothing to do with jewish people any more than criticising irans government has anything to do with muslims.
Whether or not a statue continues to stand should be judged by today's standards, because if it is allowed to continue to stand, then it continues to glorify that person - and what their memory represents - today. Imagine a statue of Jimmy Saville before and after his crimes came to light; before they came to light his statue would be welcome, after... not so much. Once upon a time, a slaver was considered worthy of glorification; should they be now? No. So we should stop glorifying them, by moving their statue to somewhere like a museum, to be remembered but no longer glorified.
Liam Neeson telling his truth of 40 years ago springs to mind here.
Exactly. The outrage against him was ridiculous
Wath are you talking about? Link? Or what should I google?
@@Sivesind Liam Neason said in an interview that at one point he was pretty racist. Walked the streets drunk lookign for a fight with a black guy. Never did get that fight and, in the interview, said that this was obviously a terrible thing to do. But many said "liam neason is super racist" ignoring the growth of character - which was his whole point
You missed out WHY he was looking for a fight with a black man...after someone close to him had been raped by a black man...he wasn't just going out to fight a black man...a subtle difference. What he did was wrong but 'understandable'.
@@HBombzorz its crazy, they found it a lot harder to forgive liam neason of his sins than george floyd
dont think liam neason ever put a loaded gun into a pregnant womans stomach while raiding her home
I have been so starved of rationality recently that this video made me burst into tears. Hope restored!
@Rain Dog Hope destroyed! Thanks! *angryface*
I've watched a lot of Pie and this is the first time I suspect him of having done the entire vid in 1 take. ;)
Well spoken, and well done.
Almost all his videos are 1 take, but I think you mean first take?
@@dougle03 Indeed
Sweet Jesus I love this character, but ffs! I only discovered Jonathan Pie a few weeks ago, I’ve a lot of catching up to do. These vids are restoring my faith in humanity (snd profanity 😂) . Thank you Jonathan. We need your kind more than ever 👍
Hits the nail on the head... I was actually going to post this to my Facebook page, as I think it is perfect. But I am genuinely too frightened of retaliation/ offending people who don't agree and will not engage in 'nuanced debate'.
Lol
I've had this for the past two weeks. I questioned an Olly'n'Pop video that was blantant political campaigning aimed at kids and have had no end in "friends" calling me a conspiracy theorist, taking the piss out of women who want to maintain female-only rape refuge centres and insinuating I'm a bigot. Now I hate going on FB because it's just toxic.
@Daniel Welch absolutely it is!
@@brittanydawn2633 I am sorry to hear that! I don't know if you remember the news story from Thailand a while ago regarding those poor children who were trapped in a cave. I posted something on Facebook saying something along the lines of how great it was to hear that all the children had been safely rescued, and congratulations to everyone who was involved. I got criticised heavily for that post, because one of the rescue party tragically died. I was mortified that I could be perceived as being insensitive. That absolutely wasn't my intent!
I did post it and while I added a disclaimer that I fully support BLM I got rants about "white privilege" and basically I shouldn't comment because I don't know "the struggle"... So yeah, good call. ;)
Dispite being white. I always lived my life that " your life matters" and give everyone 5 minutes of my time. Black white Asian trans male female and Ghostbusters. If I see a human needing help / drowning / car crash I always stop to help. I like to believe that most people live by this value. So the way the world has gone is totally messed up to me. I no longer understand the moral values of the world. Do I carry on giving people 5 minutes of my time or do I just ignore people now as I don't understand what to base the morals I always treated them with. Given up on humanity it's failed as people used to be people free to be who they are rather than being labels in a catalogue of types of people. You can all learn something from each other if you only listened to the people with different beliefs than yourself. It's how we used to grow as a people. Totally terrifying that everyone hates anything differently thought of. And it's a stagnant situation for us as the human race as it leaves us doomed to make the mistakes of the past.
Dick Salacious well said. Reminds me of classic Nietzsche, on the Genealogy of Morals. Might be worth a read for you. He kind of talks about the fallacy of what we take to be good or wrong. Those with power ultimately dictate what is good etc.
The sad thing is that moral values are very thin on the ground. We live in an increasingly Godless, lawless, tasteless world. There is many a reference to it in the Bible. I agree that all lives matter, i will never agree with certain groups of society and their ideology, the alphabet people being an example, but that does not mean their lives are worth less than anyone else's.
I think the majority of people are the same mate. It's just the media trying to divide us and make us believe we no longer have humanity. The reality is I would help all of those above you mentioned also, but I would definitely think twice about helping a journalist, politician, lord, judge, baroness, earl, police etc. They bring it on themselves. Humanity isn't doomed they are.
Very well said Sir 👏🏾
@@cmac7188 yeah, the Bible should teach us about morals, as it contains probably the worst morals possible.
Thought crime and eternal punishment (Jesus), forgiveness for believing (you may do horrible things, but be a firm believer and you'll be saved, just how child raping priests like it), punishment for not forgiving (just what a rape victim craves for), slave ownership, collective punishment (Sodom), death penalty, including the offspring, for praying to the wrong entity (Moses, after being told the 10 commandments, he knew the priorities, did he?), being expelled for having sex during red alert, wiping out the whole world (Noah), shaming women for not wearing a scarf during prayer (go figure, it's not in the Quran, but the Bible) and of course being born of sin, aka being guilty by birth.
I couldn't imagine any better book for finding my morals.
This is my favourite Jonathan Pie video by far.
Into the incinerator I must go
What I love about Pie is that he express, in a more eloquent way, things that I also complain about. I complained with my, now-former, best mates about how woke culture was no different than right-wing bigotry. It's all about taking things to an extreme and censorship. One side censors under the banner of free-speech, the other does it under the banner of inclusivity. Both have little mercy with those deemed to be "in the wrong." I have no idea what the religious inquisition was like, but I can now understand how people were drowned and burned with little to no evidence.
I'm with you mate, I have been ganged up on attacked and cancelled by very good friends for deviating from their woke group think. Merely presenting an alternative and calmly explaining it is their justification to scream you out of the room...
Exactly! I've lost quite a few friends and being labeled "a traitor" due to having spoken out about how ridiculous and authoritarian the Left have become. Ironically, the only mates I have left are the ones which are fairly right wing
@@Tazza81 LOL I'm sure we are not alone. I went to a fairly liberal Uni and identified as more liberal minded in my politics, but cannot support the lefts methodolody. The mad thing is on the whole well intentioned people want to achieve the same goals. I just disagree with how the left is going about it. That small difference seems to be impossible to talk about in a civil way for these guys.
I predict, that by the end of 2020, Jonathan Pie will be unironically labeled „alt right”.
I'm sure it's happening already.
Yep
He isn’t alt-right. He’s very supportive of minority rights, he’s just also very self aware.
He will. Intersectional identity politics and cancel culture are, unfortunately, the future for the western world. At least for the short-term foreseeable future. It's coming from the left and the left utterly dominate media, social media, academia and most other major institutions in the western world. Anybody who speaks out against it will be cancelled.
@@Aethelhald I'm pretty sure IDPOLers tried to "cancel" Contrapoints, who is even more Leftist than Jonathan Pie.
Well said and about time, judging people from 100 years ago by today's standards is madness. The virtue signalling and the identity politics is nauseating. There was some guy that said whoever has not sinned throw the first stone, unfortunately he has been deplatformed and cancelled or at least that is what they are trying to do.
They are calling for his likeness to be destroyed from churches (specially the white version of that person... because of racism...)
@J S I'm of the opinion that statues of the past should be placed in museums so we don't forget the mistakes of our forefathers. They don't represent today, they weren't all good or bad, but we as a society have moved on long past their ways to a brighter future. We should have that in museums to display the past accurately.
At the moment is not just those people who are on trail but their entire fucking race, all white people are up on trail for the actions of people hundreds of years ago. I've actually seen people talking about being 'ashamed' of being white. The fact we are expected to feel guilt or shame for people whos views, attitudes and actions are archaic, abhorrent and in no way reflect our own views, attitudes and actions because we share skin colour is absolutely racist.
@@pixiniarts The fact that Africans sold Africans into slavery to the highest bidder is conveniently ignored. Before the Europeans arrived Africans were selling their own to the Arabs and other Africans for centuries.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Colston
Couldn’t agree more with this. I don’t understand how they have so much power. It’s ridiculous.
Shared on every social media I have. This needs to be heard by everyone!
He has just voiced EXACTLY what is happening to an insane leave of accuracy
"A liberal Left that almost entirely ignores economic inequality in favor of indentity politics." Yes. That is also what is going on in the U.S. Everyone is caught up in identity while the rich get richer and the middle class vanishes. Divide and conquer. The corporatists have won.
Then again we also have a growing part of the far left that doesn’t care about identity politics and does care about class struggle so not all is lost.
social issues are just as integral as economic equality. don't be a class reductionist.
@@irascendedkitten7450 Class struggle?
They dont care about income inequality or anything remotely close to that, they only wants to topple the goverment
@@irascendedkitten7450 thats kind of the problem though, the actual left are about ending the class divides... but we dont hear that because the class with all the money owns the media who keeps the narrative on what some idiot 16 year old highschool girl was yelling about gender at a rally. the actual left wing, like jeremy corbyn, are assassinated in the right wing media for being jew haters, which is absurd, but thats the same identity politics that the media paints as left wing while it is using it to destroy the actual left wing and yet leaves the right wing in power, despite them being way more racist and sexist.
identity politics is the bread and butter of the right wing, while the left has been concerned with economic inequality for 100 years the right has been dividing groups up into completely unnecessary identity groups and persecuting them as a means of divide and conquer, that is still working thats why theyre still in charge.
im 40 years old, the ACTUAL left hasnt been in power in the uk in my lifetime, weve had consumerist neolib thatcherism for my entire life. yet pie is talking about people being thrown in jail for telling jokes... ok, and this is the fault of the left how? whos actually in government in charge of this shit? oh, its the right...
necaacen In the US it's two corporate ideologies who pretend to fight each other. The hope I have is that the Internet and circumstances will continue to grow the left here because they aren't even giving us a social Democrat to save capitalism this time.
To those who are familiar with the movie „V for Vendetta“. Heading towards this regime.
Except there wont be a V to save you
Outstanding film..ahead of its time.
And yet still a million, million miles away from it.
Im not a comic book fan usually, but V for Vendetta was originally a comic I read it in one day it's fucking amazing highly recommend. If you liked the movie get the graphic novel.
@@michaelday8592 The original comic series was well ahead of its time then as it was written in the 80's
This should be compulsory viewing in schools. One of the best ever critiques. Great work.
We don’t want kids to think for themselves though right? Just the illusion of independence should be enough.
Liberal identity politics is cancer, and Keir has made himself the king of it. The gross little cretin
I could listen to you talk about this particular subject all day
When a satirical journalist is more factual and informative than the real ones who do it for a living.
Don't get too carried away. As much as we may agree with the guy, it's still an opinion piece.
@7 Corbett is a raging consiracy theorist.
The problem with first world economies is that we've become so wealthy that we have the resource to waste on attacking others for their opinion(s), whilst the rest of the world is still busy trying feed itself. People who call out others for being privileged need to take good look at themselves.
Stu Mac Say that to one of the millions in poverty in the UK/US. I dare you.
Amen
Identity politics is borne out of the lack of ideas.
I've had 'issues' with more 'Jonathan Pie' videos than not recently (and yet I'm still subscribed, almost as if he's entitled to hold a different opinion on some matters), but this one is right up there with the early ones that earned my subscription in the first place - probably the best I've seen on the current 'identity' shit show.
I've criticised you a few times in the past Tom, but many thanks for this particular offering. The country needs this video, and this channel generally (even when you're 'wrong').
why all the 'quotes'
Mate, you don't pay for your subscription, just press a button. wtf?
@@dirt_slab it's a Donald Trump trick. It implies knowledge
@@dirt_slab Because they don't understand how to use them.
I didn't know the Coco pops one. Everyday is a school day.
Hitchslap silly thing is that the same monkey is on the white chocolate pops box too
I guess I must be racist because I never looked at the monkey and saw anything but a monkey.... Somehow silly of me....sigh
@@Kerrigan.le.Awesome like most regular people 😉
@@kookiecat79 Funny thing is I call all little kids in my life "lil monkey", is that not allowed anymore? Guess they aren't old enough to be offended or they'd be protesting too lol "Monkeys' Lives Matter!"
@@Kerrigan.le.Awesome Exactly. Makes you wonder why people see a monkey and then make the leap to "it's got to represent something else". What mindset do they have where they think there is a link to be made?
How does one fight this nonsense without getting sent to the 'incinerator'?
Do not have an online presence on Twitter or Facebook and such perhaps? No profile to slander or bully
Sit tight, it will come full circle again like it does every time. Sadly the Left is a broken record.
People like Pie are all we have got left...shame he ain't real.
Oh he's real right enough. It's the characters taht are actually in charge that are spurious.
Good thing he's not real, only defense against getting lynched.
Julian Assange is real. And we need him. But he's busy rotting in a maximum-security prison awaiting extradition for a 175-year sentence in the US. Because he revealed the truth of the brutality of our WORLD governments and corporations. What a world we live in...
Pie'd be hunted down if he was real.
@@abhijiththampi Who by?
This incinerator is honestly really cosy. John Cleese and I are in here reenacting fawlty towers
Don't mention Zi war!!
@divorcedme that sketch is not seen as far right racist yet by the woke inquesition.
If they say its racist ignore you ever saw it otherwise it is of to the incinerator
@@judgewest2000 Don't mention don't mention the war.
That was a Robin Williams level quip, nice work!
win
Good. He’s back. May be one of only a few people discussing these things. Good man.
He's been brilliant recently. Criticising his own party by speaking so much sense. Cutting irony. Brilliant.
“Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society” Aristotle (384 ~ 322 BCE)
There's nothing new under the sun
I mean, the Greeks were notorious for their liberal use of slavery. So I mean... tolerance and apathy... but to who? The slaves might well "cancel" Aristotle! And so they should!
I think this is similar to what we see nowadays. People who are happy with the current systems of oppressions (e.g. racism/sexism) want it to remain as it is (letting e.g. micro-aggressions brush under the rug), and those who are not (for whom off-the-cuff remarks like those are the straw which breaks the camel's back) are angry, demanding change, tired of the "debate". Unfortunately I'd count Pie as being in that first group. He's a leftie, sure, but he's quite alright with not being socially progressive.
Curious what you think!
@@rowanimize couldn't agree more, the ability to be contrary about for one example micro aggressions comes from a place of privelege
@@mag-7924 really well put! It's an inability to empathise with *why* people are upset by these things.
Perhaps we should let it die
Is it possible to "like" content here more than once ? - this video deserves some sort of super like. *Completely correct, succinctly put, and excruciatingly accurate of the frustrations the majority of us who aren't in the woke brigade feel every day* thank you Jonathan.
Wow Mr Pie: came for the comedy, didn't get it this time, but got something far far better.
Too bad we don't have a Jonathan Pie over here across the pond. Let's not let free speech or thoughts die.
Andrew Schulz. Not quite the same. But well, take what you can get
Tucker Carlson
Try Beau of the Fifth Column.
@@amonk97 Tucker is a right-wing conservative commentator. Pie/Tom Walker is a liberal himself but who is pissed at the "extreme left" of "Woke cancel culture." Not the same by any means. To Tucker Carlson, anyone who is liberal is part of the "woke cancel culture" even though that's not true.
@@bigtakeshi - Tucker Carlson is more liberal than any Democrat is.
Someone give him his own show on tv,as long as hes free to say what he wants.
I hope my brother is watching this. He disowned me and threw me in the incinerator 3 years ago.
Hey, Michael. How you doing? 😘
🤣🤣🤣 Glad I'm not the only one ❤️
Tell me more
@@renegaderaida526 well you know the score, biological sex is oppressive and I'm a piece of sh*t for being "Pro Gender Roles".
I voted remain back in the day, but accepting the result is a bad thing 🤷🏻♀️
And God know what else!
@@SweetStrawberryShell dam, better off without him
Someone: He used an incinerator analogy, I’m offended by that.
Me: I’m offended by you being offended.
Checkmate.
False mate, mate! The legal system tends to side with the insane people and they're more than willing to use it.
Offence is taken, not given.
Owen Lasch exactly, it is not what one is called but what one answers to. So really being offended is a choice.