I bought a sport touring hybrid hatch about 2 months ago. I could not be happier with my purchase. Coming out of a bronco sport, my Civic practically feels like a luxury car. The hybrid impresses me more and more every day. I average around 40 mpg with a decent bit of highway driving. No one ever expects how swift the thing is. It has certainly has surprised a few people at stoplights. I love the responsiveness of the car and the ride is so composed. It's easy to drive it like a much sportier car without having to sacrifice comfort or mpgs!
It has the upgraded screens/ software with wireless CarPlay and the Bose sound system. Leatherette seats and the noise cancellation stuff. Auto wipers... I really like the upgrades with the sport touring, but the regular sport would probably just as satisfying. I have to assume that either would be a great pick.
OMG the headlights…. I get flashed ALL the time in my 2021 hatch. Then I flash mine back. It’s honestly very annoying. Glad you brought it up. I’ve been looking at getting a hybrid, but I think I’d miss the turbo. If only the si was in a hatch….
Yeah imagine those same headlights in a higher car (HRV). My wife had it for a year and she'd get flashed whenever driving at night. It was a real problem. Honda really messed up on that one. Driving in front of her car one day in my own car, it really felt like she had high beams on and powerful ones at that...
I bought a 23 Sport Touring with the manual and I am extremely happy with it. IMO the best compact car on the market. It punches above it's weight in terms of body control, inputs, ergonomics, and practicality. It's a lot of fun to drive too!. The new Hybrid seems great, but I can get 40MPG in my 1.5T, so for me it's not worth the upgrade. The Civic is a step above it's competition, and its extra cost is worth it.
How’s the seat comfort in your ST? Specifically lumbar support since it’s not adjustable in civic? I have an 18 and it was more comfortable than the 24 ST manual I test drove. Also any other annoyances? I’m thinking about eventually upgrading but noticed besides the seats, the interior storage is noticeably down from 10th gen. Especially center console. However the body roll was less with the larger tires.
@@chadcraft1337 Honestly I don't miss the lack of lumbar support, but I don't adjust it out in other cars. The seat bottoms though are hard, and the seats are the worst part of the car by far. Other annoyances are it's a little harsh riding over bad New England roads with the low profile tires, and it could be quieter (it's a Honda they're all loud). The trade off is the fantastic handling. I haven't driven a 10th gen, so I can't compare. I don't keep much in my car, so the storage seems fine to me. Overall, it's got the same problems old Civics had. Bad seats, road noise, and a crappy horn. Overall, a great car if you're not doing long trips all the time.
@@mhbone great info - thanks! The handling was superb over my ex-t but slightly stiffer but better body control. One more follow up question: any issues with headlight brightness (eg people flashing you) or the windshield wiper sprayers since that’s a new design?
@@chadcraft1337 They are bright but I don't get flashed at all. The auto high beams are good. New Subarus have far brighter, better headlights. Also, coming from Subarus I was shocked it didn't have steering responsive headlights. The washer spray is a little weird but seems to work OK. One annoyance is the defroster doesn't heat up the wipers, so in winter your wipers freeze up constantly.
Hatchback hybrid... and it pains me to write this because I'd much rather dive a manual. But Honda's 1.5 L Turbo engine (in SI and Acura) is not known for its longevity unlike its naturally aspirated 2.0L counterpart found in the Hybrid, and I keep my cars for a long time, especially so since they have gotten so expensive.
Nice vehicle. My first car was a 1980 Civic. They have come a long way! I wonder, though, the complexity of the drivetrain worries me... lots of interdependent systems. By comparison the non-turbo Mazda3 drivetrain is bulletproof! The reliability is also great. I've had mine for 8+ years and it still feels new and has been very reliable (touch wood!).
I know you mentioned the Civic hybrid sedan moving to compete with the Camry hybrid. I agree, but alternatively…I think the Civic hybrid competes more with the current gen Prius than the Camry or Corolla.
@@xiondFirst I think he is referring to Mazda 3 Turbo, which has more horsepower and way more torque than Civic Hybrid. And it's faster 0-60. But you'll get more than twice as many MPGs in the Civic. To each his own...
Canada is already too expensive. If I was even getting a civic I would just get the LX but again Toyota will give me more with the corolla as it’s cheaper. Bad thing about Camry is they only have SE trim and eliminating LE trim was a missstep.
MULTIPLE AUDIO TRACKS?! When did TH-cam start doing this? You are the first video I’ve seen that had it. I’ve been requesting this feature for years so films can have commentary track options.
We have a 2022 sport touring Civic and a 2025 Camry SE. The Civic is fun to drive. Something about it. The Camry is more comfortable. We paid about the same for both cars two years apart.
Cold weather negatively affects most hybrids in the fuel economy department. I have no doubt that in warmer weather, this car will meet its gas mileage expectations.
We looked at a 2024 version of this (same color, hatchback too). Decided not to get it due to a high number of NHTSA complaints about the steering wheel getting stuck at high speeds and feeling "notchy." 🤔 I wonder if Honda fixed the steering rack issue that causes this and some hatchback version owners report water leaking into the hatch when it rains heavy/bad seals back there... will cause mold.
Nope, don't like grey wheels. The Civic only comes with silver alloy wheels on the most expensive trim. Not to mention you can get the base GTI for about the same price as the hybrid hatchback. The Civic hatchback has also had problems with leaking.
Based on my civic, it’s definitely roomy enough for 4 adults ~6ft. That middle seat is barely enough space for a normal sized adult, its doable, but you’re better off with an SUV for 5 adults
Hyperinflation has really screwed things up! I owned a new 2015 civic si believe I paid 22k. Fast forward to 2024 and I bought a new 2024 wrx for 30k… paying the same for a civic si is diabolical!
For now yes and my current 2020 Corolla LE has 139 hp with the old school 1.8 litre gas engine which got discontinued in 2023 and I’m loving that engine every second now especially with what’s going on.
anyone mentioning the recalls, shit isnt that serious lol. honda mechanic here, also i've checked over 100 of these, haven't ran into one single fuel pump that is cracked, fucked or bad. this car is great, the worst thing about it is the direct injection, just make sure to redline it here and there and keep up with general maintenance. we always check for leaks/wear on all oil changes etc.
my daily is one of these, guess i wanted to also mention if you live in a winter wonderland DO NOT buy one of the newer hondas. their windshield wiper system is horrid.
It’s the most reported problem by a long shot. It’s not that serious in most cases, but it has affected many cars to a varying degree (my gfs car had the problem) so very much worth a mention🥸 I think Engineering Explained made a video about the redlining theory that you should check out!
Great video. There's recent news about Honda's E-AWD system that will be used in hybrids btw. It's related to the new Prelude news. I know it's not your usual but I think you could do a good opinion piece on what the new Prelude is, how it fits into the lineup, who will buy, etc. There's not a lot of video commentary on it that I've seen even though it's now confirmed for the US in the next year and we know most things about it at this point.
@@Realistick If there is some benefit it's tiny. I know because we live in a rural area so I looked into it and found hybrid to non the hybrid mileage on the highway is not different certainly not enough that I'd be getting the $$$ back on the price difference. It would be interesting to see what the long term highway mileage is on the Civic. I was driving my daughters 22 Jetta 1.5L following my wife back and forth to RI from MA when we moved. Wife drives slow like 65 the whole way (drove me crazy) but the mileage after several trips was 48mpg. It's only rated for 40 so I was surprised.
I think that the price is good for that big compact car and you cant buy this car worlwide for that cheap like in the USA. They are no other Land in the World where you can buy cars so cheap, please stop crying.Thanks 😀
Thankfully the new civic hybrid has neither. Maybe Honda is learning. Sadly the quality of all makers went down the last several years, including Toyota.
I need to get ahold of the K4 but I'd also say the Corolla Hybrid and Impreza shouldn't be ignored. The impreza is awesome for northern climates and terrible roads. The Corolla hybrid is affordable, insanely efficient and reliable too, that's all some people care about!
@ every compact car is affordable too but they also offer more on the table. Every compact sedan has the same mission as a corolla. But those compacts also throw you a bone and extra flare. The corolla however just doesn’t… and in a highly competitive segment, you have to compete. You have to put in effort. You have to go all or nothing otherwise you’re deemed dead on arrival. Plain and simple. The corolla is 10-20 generations behind the competition and you immediately see it from the looks to the interior to the features to the comfort to the driving experience etc. Theres no area where the corolla is better than the competition, yet it can cost as much as the competition
Every modern commuter car with an electric steering rack has low effort steering. I drove a current gen Civic recently and my experience was not like yours at all. If you felt the steering was really that heavy, then it could have been a unit affected by the recent steering gearbox recall that has caused some Civics' steering to partially seize up. I can only speak to the ride on the 17-inch wheels of the EX trim, but it was way softer than any other economy car I've been in.
I bought a sport touring hybrid hatch about 2 months ago. I could not be happier with my purchase. Coming out of a bronco sport, my Civic practically feels like a luxury car. The hybrid impresses me more and more every day. I average around 40 mpg with a decent bit of highway driving. No one ever expects how swift the thing is. It has certainly has surprised a few people at stoplights. I love the responsiveness of the car and the ride is so composed. It's easy to drive it like a much sportier car without having to sacrifice comfort or mpgs!
What do you get on Touring vs Sport? Is it worth the jump? I really like those rims on the Sport version.
It has the upgraded screens/ software with wireless CarPlay and the Bose sound system. Leatherette seats and the noise cancellation stuff. Auto wipers... I really like the upgrades with the sport touring, but the regular sport would probably just as satisfying. I have to assume that either would be a great pick.
You could’ve just bought a $3k Lexus LS430 been lot happier saved $30k+ important expensive life lesson don’t be bot
Zygrene coming in hot with the ls430 😂
@@mengx94 yes sir glad he featured one haha bought my first in 2010
I have the hybrid hatchback. I don't regret it. Yeah Camry is bang for the buck but I love hatchbacks so this was no brainer to me.
it was recalled again
OMG the headlights…. I get flashed ALL the time in my 2021 hatch. Then I flash mine back. It’s honestly very annoying. Glad you brought it up. I’ve been looking at getting a hybrid, but I think I’d miss the turbo. If only the si was in a hatch….
Yeah imagine those same headlights in a higher car (HRV). My wife had it for a year and she'd get flashed whenever driving at night. It was a real problem. Honda really messed up on that one. Driving in front of her car one day in my own car, it really felt like she had high beams on and powerful ones at that...
I’m glad that I’m not alone on that one. Hopefully honda hears the complaints soon.
Si does come in a hatch if you're willing to pay more and get an Integra.
@@janoycresnova9156 Nowadays Integra A-Spec is $40k MSRP. I think I'll pass.
That's a nice car and excellent review video as always.
Thanks for watching!
Bought Sport Touring Hatch 3 weeks ago. Absolutely love it. Not everyone wants a large car. And if no hatch I go suv.
it was recalled again. Civic is fat now used to be a compact
2025 Civic models has improved body structure and higher IIHS ratings
The hatchback looks sharp, they should have built the Si on this bodystyle. I think I'll wait a few years for the new Prelude as my new daily driver.
They did.
I bought a 23 Sport Touring with the manual and I am extremely happy with it. IMO the best compact car on the market. It punches above it's weight in terms of body control, inputs, ergonomics, and practicality. It's a lot of fun to drive too!. The new Hybrid seems great, but I can get 40MPG in my 1.5T, so for me it's not worth the upgrade. The Civic is a step above it's competition, and its extra cost is worth it.
How’s the seat comfort in your ST? Specifically lumbar support since it’s not adjustable in civic? I have an 18 and it was more comfortable than the 24 ST manual I test drove. Also any other annoyances? I’m thinking about eventually upgrading but noticed besides the seats, the interior storage is noticeably down from 10th gen. Especially center console. However the body roll was less with the larger tires.
@@chadcraft1337 Honestly I don't miss the lack of lumbar support, but I don't adjust it out in other cars. The seat bottoms though are hard, and the seats are the worst part of the car by far. Other annoyances are it's a little harsh riding over bad New England roads with the low profile tires, and it could be quieter (it's a Honda they're all loud). The trade off is the fantastic handling. I haven't driven a 10th gen, so I can't compare. I don't keep much in my car, so the storage seems fine to me. Overall, it's got the same problems old Civics had. Bad seats, road noise, and a crappy horn. Overall, a great car if you're not doing long trips all the time.
@@mhbone great info - thanks! The handling was superb over my ex-t but slightly stiffer but better body control. One more follow up question: any issues with headlight brightness (eg people flashing you) or the windshield wiper sprayers since that’s a new design?
@@chadcraft1337 They are bright but I don't get flashed at all. The auto high beams are good. New Subarus have far brighter, better headlights. Also, coming from Subarus I was shocked it didn't have steering responsive headlights. The washer spray is a little weird but seems to work OK. One annoyance is the defroster doesn't heat up the wipers, so in winter your wipers freeze up constantly.
recalled again
Love this new car. But are the seats a dealbreaker? Which compacts should I compare seat comfort?
What would you pick for your daily: Si, hatchack hybrid or manual Integra?
Hatchback hybrid... and it pains me to write this because I'd much rather dive a manual. But Honda's 1.5 L Turbo engine (in SI and Acura) is not known for its longevity unlike its naturally aspirated 2.0L counterpart found in the Hybrid, and I keep my cars for a long time, especially so since they have gotten so expensive.
Nice vehicle. My first car was a 1980 Civic. They have come a long way! I wonder, though, the complexity of the drivetrain worries me... lots of interdependent systems. By comparison the non-turbo Mazda3 drivetrain is bulletproof! The reliability is also great. I've had mine for 8+ years and it still feels new and has been very reliable (touch wood!).
I know you mentioned the Civic hybrid sedan moving to compete with the Camry hybrid. I agree, but alternatively…I think the Civic hybrid competes more with the current gen Prius than the Camry or Corolla.
Why isn't it 250 hp and AWD like Mazda 3?
Is that Mazda a hybrid?
Why does it need to be? It's quicker than Mazda. Unless you want higher top speed.
@@xiondFirst I think he is referring to Mazda 3 Turbo, which has more horsepower and way more torque than Civic Hybrid. And it's faster 0-60. But you'll get more than twice as many MPGs in the Civic. To each his own...
honda is scared of horsepower
The new Honda LED headlamps are a menace, especially on the Odyssey. They’re crazy blinding.
problem is 40k (canadian prices) sport touring doesnt come with AWD. The camry does tho.
Canada is already too expensive. If I was even getting a civic I would just get the LX but again Toyota will give me more with the corolla as it’s cheaper. Bad thing about Camry is they only have SE trim and eliminating LE trim was a missstep.
MULTIPLE AUDIO TRACKS?! When did TH-cam start doing this? You are the first video I’ve seen that had it. I’ve been requesting this feature for years so films can have commentary track options.
We have a 2022 sport touring Civic and a 2025 Camry SE. The Civic is fun to drive.
Something about it. The Camry is more comfortable. We paid about the same for both cars two years apart.
I love how there usually a 6 foot person doing civic reviews.
39 mpg? Much less than expected. Better 0-60 then expected. For the price seeme good. Wait a few years after the powertrain comes out.
Cold weather negatively affects most hybrids in the fuel economy department. I have no doubt that in warmer weather, this car will meet its gas mileage expectations.
My Sedan Hybrid Sport is so well built and drives very sporty. Worth the price. 46 mpg so far on city average is a big plus from my 12.5 mpg Tundra.
Im gonna need one of these in the future for a new to me daily to join the gr.
I drove one and I loved it but Its low on power so I would go for the hybrid or Si
So (1) Why the hard seats?, and (2) Is black the only interior option?
Why, I couldn’t tell you, but you can now get grey leather on the touring at least!
We looked at a 2024 version of this (same color, hatchback too). Decided not to get it due to a high number of NHTSA complaints about the steering wheel getting stuck at high speeds and feeling "notchy." 🤔 I wonder if Honda fixed the steering rack issue that causes this and some hatchback version owners report water leaking into the hatch when it rains heavy/bad seals back there... will cause mold.
It was the worm gear in the steering, it got a recall, non-issue anymore but A LOT of cars were affected.
@Realistick good to know! Thanks for the update, love your videos.
Nope, don't like grey wheels. The Civic only comes with silver alloy wheels on the most expensive trim. Not to mention you can get the base GTI for about the same price as the hybrid hatchback. The Civic hatchback has also had problems with leaking.
That honeycomb decorative dash looks cool but also looks like a dust magnet that would be a real pain to clean.
My 23 Corolla has led headlights and costed 22600.. xd
Really want one of these but is it large enough for five adults?
Based on my civic, it’s definitely roomy enough for 4 adults ~6ft. That middle seat is barely enough space for a normal sized adult, its doable, but you’re better off with an SUV for 5 adults
You can get a Jetta for $20-22k. Econo cars are dying.
Mazda 3 for $23-$24k. And it's actually a reliable, good car.
Have you ever driven a Kia forte gt?
hatch is so useful and shorter than sedan so easier to park . All Dark interior is drab and hard to find stuff.
You know.. now I want a comparison test between this hybrid Sport and a Camry LE
Hyperinflation has really screwed things up! I owned a new 2015 civic si believe I paid 22k. Fast forward to 2024 and I bought a new 2024 wrx for 30k… paying the same for a civic si is diabolical!
48K for an Integra here in Canada. Insane.
A CVT, a 90's type bubble shaped body and an infotainment screen that looks like an afterthought.
Talk about a win, win, win.
Geez, a basic Corolla has a got 169hp
For now yes and my current 2020 Corolla LE has 139 hp with the old school 1.8 litre gas engine which got discontinued in 2023 and I’m loving that engine every second now especially with what’s going on.
anyone mentioning the recalls, shit isnt that serious lol. honda mechanic here, also i've checked over 100 of these, haven't ran into one single fuel pump that is cracked, fucked or bad. this car is great, the worst thing about it is the direct injection, just make sure to redline it here and there and keep up with general maintenance. we always check for leaks/wear on all oil changes etc.
my daily is one of these, guess i wanted to also mention if you live in a winter wonderland DO NOT buy one of the newer hondas. their windshield wiper system is horrid.
It’s the most reported problem by a long shot. It’s not that serious in most cases, but it has affected many cars to a varying degree (my gfs car had the problem) so very much worth a mention🥸 I think Engineering Explained made a video about the redlining theory that you should check out!
lol 34k civic.. yeah right.
Exactly! LOL. Also, it drives like absolute POOP! Stiff suspension and HEAVY steering.
@@cw4623drives great. Handling is good, smooth.
34k civic plus 6% tax is nothing, in Canada we are paying 40k + 13% tax which takes it to 45,500 and we have the same average salary as Americans
@@Ibrahimk.74 Right... your Country is in major trouble and has been led into chaos by Blackface wearing Trudeau. Hope you have a house already.
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Great video. There's recent news about Honda's E-AWD system that will be used in hybrids btw. It's related to the new Prelude news. I know it's not your usual but I think you could do a good opinion piece on what the new Prelude is, how it fits into the lineup, who will buy, etc. There's not a lot of video commentary on it that I've seen even though it's now confirmed for the US in the next year and we know most things about it at this point.
I might give that a go! It does intrigue me as I start thinking about possible dailys.
prelude is a civic coupe. lame and recalled 😊
They have no balls.
Hybrid: Low profile tires and no spare? Hello pinch flats and required roadside assistance. Stupidity on stilts if you ask me.
Hybrid does nothing on a long highway drive because it charges the battery when you are braking
Engine charges the battery too, the car shuts off constantly at highway speeds!
@@Realistick If there is some benefit it's tiny. I know because we live in a rural area so I looked into it and found hybrid to non the hybrid mileage on the highway is not different certainly not enough that I'd be getting the $$$ back on the price difference. It would be interesting to see what the long term highway mileage is on the Civic. I was driving my daughters 22 Jetta 1.5L following my wife back and forth to RI from MA when we moved. Wife drives slow like 65 the whole way (drove me crazy) but the mileage after several trips was 48mpg. It's only rated for 40 so I was surprised.
“Compact”.
So ugly 🤮
Hate cvts
It’s not a CVT. It’s an ECVT, uses a planetary gear system, not that CVT pulley system. It’s a fairly simple system and supposedly very reliable.
I think that the price is good for that big compact car and you cant buy this car worlwide for that cheap like in the USA. They are no other Land in the World where you can buy cars so cheap, please stop crying.Thanks 😀
First comment baybeeeeeeee
Too expensive get a camry.
also recalled and unreliable
First like😂
Hondas are absolutely garbage quality nowadays. Their Turbo engines and CVT transmissions are disastrously unreliable.
Thankfully the new civic hybrid has neither. Maybe Honda is learning. Sadly the quality of all makers went down the last several years, including Toyota.
Camry is better for the same price. Goofy
And the Camry can get almost 50mpg at 70 on the highway.
Camry doesn’t have a hatch, deal breaker for a lot of people
Also it's about a second slower to 60 so for ppl who live in places with stroads or mostly highways it won't work
You also have to tell people you drive a Camry which is embarrassing.
@janoycresnova9156 Yeah a bit worse than telling people you drive a Civic.
The civic, Elantra, k4, mazda3 are the only truly competitive compact sedans.
The less said about the others not mentioned the better
I need to get ahold of the K4 but I'd also say the Corolla Hybrid and Impreza shouldn't be ignored. The impreza is awesome for northern climates and terrible roads. The Corolla hybrid is affordable, insanely efficient and reliable too, that's all some people care about!
@ every compact car is affordable too but they also offer more on the table. Every compact sedan has the same mission as a corolla. But those compacts also throw you a bone and extra flare.
The corolla however just doesn’t… and in a highly competitive segment, you have to compete. You have to put in effort. You have to go all or nothing otherwise you’re deemed dead on arrival. Plain and simple.
The corolla is 10-20 generations behind the competition and you immediately see it from the looks to the interior to the features to the comfort to the driving experience etc.
Theres no area where the corolla is better than the competition, yet it can cost as much as the competition
Remove K4 and Elantra and add a Jetta to that list then I'd agree. Koreans are at lower level.
@@naveenthemachinehow much does hyundai genesis pay you
@@user1989fopfrs7 pays me facts and eyes
If you can’t see it yourself you’re blind
It's really NOT exceptional. LOL.
It drives like crap. Stiff suspension and HEAVY, heavy steering.
Every modern commuter car with an electric steering rack has low effort steering. I drove a current gen Civic recently and my experience was not like yours at all. If you felt the steering was really that heavy, then it could have been a unit affected by the recent steering gearbox recall that has caused some Civics' steering to partially seize up.
I can only speak to the ride on the 17-inch wheels of the EX trim, but it was way softer than any other economy car I've been in.
Just don't like the looks!