Important to note, during the Broly movie, Goku and Vegeta wanted to use the Potaras but couldn't because of time (Despite wasting time failing the fusion). You could make an argument that Potaras are better based on them wanting to use them over the fusion dance. If they two fusions were relative to each other, there wouldn't be a need for Goku to mention the Potaras.
The potara’s are much easier to use than to learn the fusion dance, the mere fact that goku wasted an hour trying to fuse instead of just teleporting to the Kai’s planet and getting the earrings proves that the dance has to have SOME advantage over the potara, cause otherwise goku and vegeta risked the planets safety for no reason.
@@extremelegendsupreme4596 Goku said it would be quicker to do the dance, which is why they resorted to it. Him saying it's quicker to do the dance implies Pataras are better, but not worth it in the moment. However, not going to the Supreme Kai is probably just plot convince, though.
What? Thats not reasonable at all. That doesn’t mean the earrings are better they just don’t have a chance of being failed. The only downside is not being able to use full power that makes the dance better its sorta a high risk high reward, While the earrings are low risk Mid reward
I personally have Vegito as the stronger one, there hasn't been anything to contradict Old Kai's remarks from the Buu Saga (however you interpret them). However, this doesn't really matter. All that matters is that Beerus is confirmed stronger than Goku and the only remaining argument for Jiren ever being stronger than Broly has just vanished.
Ok so i'm going to end a misconseption here, vegito was never said to be "Better" or "Stronger" than metamoran fusion, it was a mistranslation, what he actually said is that Potara are More Efficient
Except there is. Goku clearly states in BoG that his SSG>SSJ3 Vegetto. In Broly, we see SSJ Gogeta who is many times stronger than SSB Vegeta and SSB Goku. This means the Fusion Dance gives more power than the Potaras, just like the Weekly Shonnen Jump ( the place where dbz manga came out weekly) comparison of Gogeta and Vegito said. Also, Kai never said the Potaras were stronger, he said their effect was greater. The fusion was permanent before DBS.
Some people have tried to justify potara being stronger by stating that the stronger member of the fusion doesn't have to lower their power level. But it generally seems like Goku and Vegeta have the same base power level. Also, I'm pretty sure base-form Vegito completely mollywhopped Super Buu, he wasn't just "competing" with him.
I just remembered that Gogeta in DBS Broly was heavily fatigued when he fought Broly, also if we was gonna do a Gogeta Vs Vegito debate it should've been who has the better drip or cooler movepool or who has the more appealing fighting style and let's apply every single moves from the modern video games and other continuity as well from their respective games (mind you Gogeta blue Can use X100 BBKMHMH to rival FKMHMH) So why not that and of course make it wholesome Fyi i do believe potera is better than the dance in terms of efficiency as Elder kai mentioned that buu would never let them pull off the fusion dance, he wasnt trying to disregard the power of the fusion dance but he was trying to say that they wouldnt have time to pull it off and the time limit issue being a big factor as well also you might as well use the earrings
Only argument i find valid for Vegito being stronger, is that for potara the power level doesnt have to be the same, so goku doesnt have to lower his power therefore the final calc is higher. If goku and vegeta are the same then gogeta=vegito. I stil find gogeta and vegito equal nontheless, but id say that argument is the most valid if to be used.
The whole powers have to be equal is just to make the dance possible For example let’s say goku has a power of 7 and vegeta 5 for the dance goku would lower his ki to 5 to match vegetas 5. All he did was lower his ki for the dance it doesn’t mean gogeta forever losses that 2 ki. I always found that to be a terrible argument , vegito is just stronger because potara is a stronger fusion.
Potara ain't a "stronger" Fusion its just better as in it has more pros than cons compared to Dance such as Unlimited when it comes to Gods. And before anyone brings in the Boost factor just so you know thats a innate ability specific to the Fusees not the Earrings
@@TheMightOfGeburah Herms was the one who called out people claiming "equally matched trump cards" didn't translate to power. Herms himself said that you'd have to twist the words and reach out a lot to make a statement as blatant as "equally matched trump cards" mean that these two fusions aren't equally matched
@@hoothoot2112 he explicitly said that you CAN put it in a way that doesn’t translate to them being equal in power. It’s referring to the techniques themselves and how you’re equally as f’ed if they show up.
They are literally the same character, just different versions of it. One technique isn’t and never was stated to be stronger the other, or really shown to be stronger, for that matter.
They dont even look the same,not exactly. Look at their designs,especially the hair. They are very similar but not the same. According to some sources they even have a different height
Some people have tried to explain that potara is stronger since the stronger person doesn't have to lower their power in order to fuse with the other one but I'm pretty sure that Goku and Vegeta have literally the same base power level.
At the current time, although potaras are better to use due to being easy and not requiring the exact amount of power,The only Advantage Vegito has over gogeta is his Time limit. Otherwise Vegito will defuse Midway. Gogeta himself claimed that this time his power just not multiplied, But it's insignificantly magnified. In the guildbook it was stated that Fusion not only has a better balance, but it also draws out the power to max the fuion stats. There was another statement that if their fight was happened to be like 30 mins, gogeta would win but if the fight happens to be more than 30 mins, Vegito would win since gogeta will defuse to Vegeta and goku. And if we go based on statements, The 30 mins time limits allows the gogeta to raise, go beyond and reach higher power to end the opponent fast. But potaras aren't meant for powerful mortals which resulted in Vegito having a timer and transforming drains the timer even faster. Not to mention it also has a power limit which will lead to Vegito getting defused under 30 mins considering Vegito defused cuz of using too much of his power.
I have been saying this for years. They are equally matched. They both have pros and cons. Pro: Fusion dance can use its full power without having to unfuse. Con: power levels have to be equal and the dance has to be performed perfectly. Pro: anyone can fuse without having to be the same power levels. Con: The potara you cant put out your full power or the users will defuse.
@@BerserkerMaro Gotenks defused early. It would be disingenuous to say that doesn't apply to Gogeta. Both fusion's have time issues, if either one of them pushes for to long, they will defuse early.
Lol exactly. "Gogeta is a fraud and vegitos better because he is stronger" like bro i could care less who's stronger i just like gogeta, yall ain't bullying me outta that.
@@toragon2736 Nah stop it. You really out here trying to group the blame on all Gogeta fans. You trying to make being a fan of a character different from what it is. Not saying their isn't assholes, just saying you aint doing any justice by bringing that up. He is talking about a special case, "some", you went out of your way to go against saying all Gogeta fans. You ain't doing anything bringing that up.
Both can be said about the fanbase of these two fusions. It'll never end because even Gogeta fans has some assholes with their own ideologies that he's stonger because he finishes his opponents faster. The issue is not one-sided.
This was a great video. I just wanted to add to the broly >= beerus statement in power. This is very possible since in the SH movie, Vegeta states that Jiren was fairly similar to their blue forms in raw power. It's just how efficiently he uses it that makes the distance between them and Jiren. Jiren is compared to Destroyers in strength, although it is implied Beerus still is a bit above that considering that he is portrayed to be amongst the strongest within the gods of destruction, having fought all the destroyers. He held his own. Broly being above Beerus in power is very plausible as well since he is always spewing ki and rapidly increasing in power. Secondly, i just wanted to talk about the power difference between Ssj Vegito (Buu Saga) & Ssj Gogeta (Fusion Reborn). Vegito had enormous power at the time, and fusion reborn happens later, so they had to have grown in strength, right?! But Vegeta states that he hasn't improved at all, and even Goku basically agrees and compliments him for trying to stay in shape. Goku is significantly stronger, yes, but Metamoran fusion requires both Ki signatures to be level, which basically negates the whole idea of them being stronger as Goku has to lower his power to Vegeta's level. I think with the Janemba fight, it wasn't really a power feat. Gogeta just used the right moves at the right time. You could imply that he is stronger, but the statement from Elder kai opposes that, not that it is a huge deal breaker or anything. The conclusion: They're equally matched trump cards.😂 Edit: Metamoran fusion only requires matched ki levels for fusion, and regains all power after?
@@rayyanjamil6966its a ritual created by a weak race that creates the strongest possible warrior through an equal dance… why wouldnt that be the case? I want you to think about what we know of the metamorans(weak race as fighters, very good with ki techniques), and think about what would make more sense, very slowly.
My take on this Gogeta does the job faster, not because he's better than Vegito. But because he knows he only got 30 minutes to get the job done so can't afford to screw around and play with his food. Another thing, Gogeta is usual introduced at the end of the movie so basically it's obvious he'll win. He's a main event character. Vegito on the other, when he was introduced he thought his fusion was permanent. With that in mind, he doesn't have to worry about his time running out. His saiyan ego is fully unleashed. Saiyans tend to play around when they know they're stronger than their opponents, we saw that many times with Goku, kid Gohan against Perfect Cell and Vegeta vs 2nd form Cell. Another thing, Vegito toyed with Buu with the intention to get absorbed and save everyone, if you don't like that reason blame the author. They're equally strong with different personalities. After all, they're a fusion of the same two characters with two different methods of fusing.
@@prince_badman That may be true, but also it's literally Broly that he's fighting against. Also even if he was pacing himself that doesn't change the cocky attitude he had up until Broly got stronger. He was smiling with a big ass grin the whole time and he literally waisted precious seconds to come up with a good name for himself, then after that he kinda talked down to Frieza in a mocking tone before finally going to fight Broly. Bro was living his best life up until the big buff green man came out.
@@FluppietheRockruffFan basing on your respond, I'd say he was pacing himself to see if he can get the job done without using too much power. Goku did the same thing against Jigen and Whis explained the reason.
With regards to Vegito, I find it interesting that the situations were reversed between manga and anime. In og Dragon Ball, he went straight into SS in the manga and he fought in base in the anime for a bit but with Super, it's the opposite.
The original manga says Vegito is far stronger I dont take that guide seriously,it just talked about them as being trump cards. Likely cause they are both so overpowered that the result is the same anyway Even Death Battle showed all sources. Buuhan knew the multiplier and he said Fusion Dance of Goku and Vegeta wouldnt win against him. And keep in mind,Buuhan had Gotenks inside him(pause) as well as knew Goten and Trunks seperately. Anf Piccolos intelligence. He knew EXACTLY the multiplier of Fusion Dance Manga Vegito is so strong cause his base multiplied off COMPLETE Blue Goku and Vegeta instead of regular Blue. Completed or Perfected Blue was shown as a far bigger multiplier than Kaioken Gogeta Blue BEATS Beerus. Whis basically confirmed it by saying "You two really can work together" and he previously said if they did they could beat Beerus. It was a reference to that statement regardless of how power scaling changed,a throwback. NOTHING is above the original manga. That was when Toriyama was younger and in his prime. Vegito also doesnt require the fuses to have equal power Vegito from the Black arc being so strong is enough proof. Several arcs back, a MASSIVELY weaker Goku and Vegeta,TENS of times weaker atleast via calculations And he is already on the overall same ballpark even if admittedly weaker? Yeah no,in the same time frame he would be a dozen times stronger SSJ1 Vegito is stronger than SSJ3 Gogeta. However they will always be portrayed as comparable if they fight each other in non canon stuff cause it looks more compelling.
“They will always be shown comparable”, except for the times when gogeta is portrayed blatantly stronger than vegito lol 😂. I know that sdbh is not canon in ANY way whatsoever, but it’s an official db media, and I’m only talking about the PORTRAYALS. 2 vegitos can’t do anything to broly, but a single gogeta can fight an amped broly using the same form. Both vegitos had trouble against cumber, but gogeta with blue evo was LEAGUES above goku black using a just as strong or much stronger variant of ssj3 than cumber. I’m only stating this for fun, people who don’t read may get the wrong idea if they somehow come across sdbh as casuals and think that the portrayals are consistent across canons.
@@basimali619 Broly was tired from fighting Cumber and Cumber was tired from fighting 2 Vegito's, you also forget that Goku and Vegeta are way stronger than they were from the prison planet arc.
In the manga, goku said that he "had never imagined that such power (SSG) existed". It is proven that characters keep the memories of well performed fusions, therefore goku knew how powerful vegetto was and how powerful could have become using SS3, and still said that he had never even imagined that the SSG could exist
I've seen many people say "gogeta gets the job done" vegito could've finished the job as well but he didn't kill buuhan because he had to taunt him so he can save his family and friends and in the goku black arc he didn't know about the retcone of the time limit, he could've finished them but he just loves to flex
"He could've finished them but he just loves to flex" That's exactly why Gogeta gets the job done. Because he doesn't flex and trash talk shit around during fight like Vegito. Broly survive because of Dragonball but if he up against Vegito instead of Gogeta I bet he will survive because Vegito defuse before he could finish him off😂
@@s.s.k7081 vegito literally did not want to kill buuhan because he wanted to save his friends and family and the second time he appeared the potara earrings were retconed to drain the timer if they output too much power which neither Goku or Vegeta know about
I personally always go with vegito being the stronger fusion technique just because he has always had far better feats in comparison to the rest of the cast at that point in time in comparison to gogeta compared to the cast vegito story wise seems more threatening in all aspects
@lightma-lv7co I never said threatening =more powerful I just think he is a far better technical fighter therefore he would be a more threatening person to go up against in comparison to gogeta
Exactly what I tell people, they are bending the story to add old content to fit in super and I’m all for it, knowing we will get more and debates will stung up for everything as it is in anime’s and gogeta and Vegito will be a topic and I like the idea that they r equal because it don’t matter just that which we will see next, for me gogeta my fav because he looks cool, I never use “power” because for years I knew both r just equal and it don’t matter but in looks gogeta def the man, rocking a vest, white pants and barely talks, he understand he here to do work and he just does it, Vegito cool but I’m not a big fan of the endless talking, not to mention vegito vs buy arc like dude srry, shut up and get to the boxing, we don’t have forever to see you fight in this state and your blowing it by talking endlessly
Is it possible everyone only compares power levels to what beerus has shown? He hasn't displayed his full power ever so they're prolly comparing every new power level to what he did display in battle of gods
I'm not sure if we can really consider Kaioshin's statement about Beerus to even be true... It was in question form, like if it was a possibility.. But not that he knew for sure.. And the Kaio's are known for assuming too much.. Plus, isn't it that deities extent of powers cannot be detected? We don't know the full extent of Beerus' capabilities yet.. But Vegito does - is said - to have an edge over Gogeta.
DBZ, vegito is the stronger fusion, was meant to be permanent. Comparing Gogeta from the movie vs Vegito from the anime might be a different story as characters from the movies scale differently. DBS changed things, fusions got nerfed, specially potara. Vegito = Gogeta, however Vegito is easier to create and has additional time before unfusing. Both of these aspects are a nerf towards potara fusion. Both fusions got a buff, base fusion is now much stronger than in Z, but the transformations seem to have less impact in my eyes. If base fusion is now SSB tier or so, then SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG, SSB... all of these things should have a bigger impact. I feel like a SSJ Vegito variant could have handled Zamasu better. SSB allows for power control, but Vegito was going all out most of the time to deal some serious damage, i feel like he could have done as much damage using less power hungry transformations. Also one thing people miss out a lot when it comes to fusions, is that Gotenks has learnt SSJ3, not Goten and Trunks. Which means, a fusion could literally adapt and use new things if they have enough time to do so. So SSG Vegito back then, UI fusion, UE fusion, all of these can be a thing, or even combined at some point. DBH showed Vegito using SSBKK against Cumber. KK is a Goku technique, UI and UE are also techniques. SSG is a transformation that Goku knew back then, since both kids can pull off SSJ3, then i am sure as hell Vegito could have gone SSG.
I think if you stop at Z, Vegito is stronger. I think if you use Super, Vegito is officially weaker not interms of power, I think they might be at the same powerlevel, but in terms of the limitation Super gave Vegito, why? Because when Goku and Vegeta unfused against Zamasu, Gowasu said it was because they were using too much power than the earing force them to unfuse, and comparing that to Gogeta vs Brolly, Gogeta did not have that issue, as he was able to throw everything he got, plus more, and never unfused.
Man fusion dance already has a timer of 30 minutes and it took a lot from Gogeta. I think potara fusion don't work that way . After all it's a divine thing , I think it can understand the limit of the body of a fusion and for its safety it just defuse . And in Kefla's case Kefla didn't reach that much power but still she was giving a hard time to UI Goku because she somehow accessed berserk form despite Kaulifla not having that much power. So I think potara fusion is slightly greater since Vegeta has a perfected SSB form .
According to the Accurate translate, the Elder Kai says that “you don’t need to do a silly dance.” Meaning that gogeta and vegito are equals, but I mean more to gogeta due to his personality, as he isnt a over confident person and gets the job done at full power until his time is up. While vegito humiliates his opponents but gets finished.
Finally someone agrees with me that they are equal and it makes sense really because they are technically the same character just different fusion styles of course I do think that if they fuse into gogeta Against Buuhan It wouldn't make much of a difference same implied if they fused against janmba with vegito I hate when people act like horses asses that this individual character is stronger than this It's full of bs I also do believe that fusion reborn gogeta and buu saga vegito Are equal still
@@d4r4m53they really aren't. That statement was a mistranslation of what was actually said. The statement was that they are two of the strongest Trump Cards. Meaning out of all the Trump Cards in Dragon Ball they are the strongest, not to be confused with being equal in strength. It's about wording, not what sounds kinda similar.
Which even if you were to continue further trying to say they were equal the translators themselves already came out saying it wasn't in a power sense when the statement was made
any fusion will get the job done really if goku and vegeta are 50 each and the villain is a 500 then gogeta is a 2000 and vegito is a 3000 both get the job done both equaly effective gogeta is cooler and more drippy and is a technique that can be done anytime anywhere so i prefer him
@@FazeRustyNutsAnd you think gogeta couldn’t? He was literally smiling and joking around with broly. He only got serious when he realized soul punisher didn’t work
I dislike Gogeta. The fusion clothes are not to my liking. It makes more sense for Potata to be more powerful after all you need a Kai's earings for it.
I mean. If we’re debating who has better clothes that definitely goes to gogeta. Vegitos style just doesn’t appeal to me, Looks like a worker with those gloves
Makes sense but it really don’t and here I’ll lay out the reason, Kai’s r gods in Dragon ball so yes it makes sense since the earrings are made by or for them as gods so why would a mortal technique be on par with a gods correct? Ok here is this part, beerus, beerus is not a god as birth, unlike the kais beerus needed to work, for that to happen he needed to have techniques and ability to over ride the power of the gods, just like how gohan or goku in the buu arc made supreme Kai a back up character lol in the eye of Zeno a mortal and gods have no different end points, the path to the end is different, the end is not different so I wouldn’t be surprised is the fusion dance is on par with the potara without the need of earrings when in reality it don’t even matter and after seeing that even trunks is stronger then the Kai now, if anything these mortals are far stronger then any gods in any universes aside from destroyers which btw is far stronger then and Kai and that’s not even a debate and again to stress all of them are mortal, their god in title and that’s it
Ive never understood this "theyre meant for gods so they have to be stronger!" mentality because it just doesnt make sense. Like, okay? Goku and vegeta arent gods. They have god ki, but theyre still mortals. Wanna know the fusion technique made for mortals? Metamoran, and metamoran fusion doesnt defuse under mortal power, because it doesnt treat energy drain and life force as the same thing, it only teeats energy drain as the same thing as life timer when the energy drain comes from something the fusees cant do.
I tend to lean more to Gogeta being strongest because he has that potential to exceed his Saiyan Limits over Vegito who would break apart if he pushes too hard. Gotenks is verified proof of this factor cause he achieved SSJ2 and SSJ3 without his fusees of having to learn it themselves. If Gotenks can surpass his limitations then Gogeta should do this just as well, being the amalgamation of the 2 most strongest mortals in the universe that succeed eachother.
But you also gotta consider that when Gotenks used ssj3, it burnt out his timer down to just 5 minutes. It would be disingenuous to say this doesn't apply to Gogeta. I think it's more likely both fusions can push their limits if they have to, just at the cost of burning more time. In the manga for super, Vegito only defused 20 minutes early while trying to combine final flash and kamehamha, and Gogeta only fought Broly in the time it took Cheelai and Lemo to nab the dragon balls, so it's likely that he simply didn't fight long enough to defuse early. On top of that Gogeta didn't really have to push himself like Vegito did since he wasn't having to attempt to kill an immortal being, he kinda just toyed with Broly until Broly got even stronger, telling Gogeta that he should really stop playing and just end the fight already. I think if you were to swap Vegito and Gogeta in all their fights, the outcomes would be the same, with the exception of Fused Zamasu since Gogeta inherently has half the time that Vegito has, meaning he would defuse even earlier with only ten minutes of fusion as opposed to the fourty minutes that Vegito had. Buuhan might possibly be different but I doubt it since Gogeta would be aware of his 30 minute timer, and because of that, he would likely be even more of a bully so as to piss buu off as quickly as possible so that he would get absorbed sooner. Sorry for the essay :(
@@PFBLD Thats mostly due to the Stamina Taxation of SSJ3 specifically not because of the Power it exerts but the strain it puts on the user much like Kaioken. In the flashback Goten and Trunks were celebrating their ascension beyond SSJ and Goten remarks how the form tires them out and used up all their power at once, implying not having enough energy can wear out the Fusion regardless of time. Its sorta like a Phone Battery playing a High Graphic game. This should easily get resolved if they use the time they have to train in that form, rather than using it as a Final trump card or if they theoretically gained more energy from an outside source (like a Senzu Bean) to make the Fusion last well before the half-hour.
@@SiNKarnage This also applies to ssjb tho, at least in the manga anyway. actually, it applies to any form, they all drain energy, causing stamina loss and strain. that's what causes the aura as well, it is their energy leaking out. This happens until the user masters the form, like Goku and Gohan in cell saga. ssj3, if mastered, wouldn't cause strain and therefore wouldn't cause an early defusion. Same with ssjb, it has massive stamina problems, around the same level of ssj3, to the point that it can tire you so much that you will only have a tenth of your strength or less after only using it for a little bit. this is shown in the u6 tournament where Vegeta gets bodied by Hit. So just like how ssj3 can cut a fusion short, so can ssjb, and if either of them were to be mastered, there wouldn't be any issues. Actually ssjb has been mastered by this point iirc so it shouldn't cause any early fusion splits anymore.
@lightma-lv7co Yea, I mentioned the stamina drain being the cause of early defusion so we agree on that. I don’t agree that the time chamber had any effect on the time limit however. There’s no reason to assume the time chamber would have an adverse effect on fusion, it’s just a pocket dimension with a different flow of time. From the perspective of the fusion, 30 minutes is 30 minutes, whether they are spent within the time chamber or not doesn’t matter. There’s a reason why the early defusion is attributed to ssj3, it’s because that’s exactly what caused it. There’s no more to it than that, simple as.
@lightma-lv7co It never made sense to me how simply being too strong could cause a fusion to split because that causes a bunch of other holes like how much is too much or how much power shortens the time limit by what amount. It also makes fusion as a trump card pointless if you’re just too strong to fuse. I think it makes more sense that Gowasu meant vegito was too powerful in the sense that he used too much of his energy all at once, as in the attack was too powerful in relation to Vegito’s power, so basically he was giving everything he had and completely exhausting himself with one big attack, causing him to defuse due to the sheer energy consumption. Also, while I agree that you could probably be knocked out of fusion, I think kefla is a bad example because she wasn’t necessarily knocked out, her potara were just broken. Regardless, I do think it would be possible to beat a fusion to the point they defuse, but I think it would be pretty hard to do.
They both do lol. Vegito was trying to get Buuhan to absorb him and he outright tried to murder Zamasu multiple times while also trying to demoralize him because Zamasu is a delusional psycho. Gogeta toyed with Broly until he turned green and then decided it was time to end it. If you count the movies and/or Gt, Gogeta had no reason to pity or play with Janemba since he was literally just evil incarnate and against Shenron he was trying to demoralize him just like Vegito did to Buuhan, most likely in an attempt to drive home what Goku had said about being a good person and not taking life and such. When the time comes for them to lock in, they both lock in 100%
Hot take it literally doesn't matter because the story will determine who the winner is and guess what, they won't if they ever do a cannon gogeta vs vegito story they are going to make them equals no matter how much sense it does or doesn't make because that's just kinda how dragon ball rolls
If the word effect is used in the same meaning as in Japanese then I see it meaning since Potara was permanent it's a greater effect, no worry of the enemy wearing you out and you defuse like Gotenks. Not necessarily depicting raw strength. Another retcon Is Potara can only be used once in your life but they technically weren't alive the 1st time. There bodies were stronger dead too so that's a factor. Goku could hold SSJ3 like he did against Fat Buu. I don't really care either way. Gogeta always had the drip and Goku's demeanor even though I like Vegeta better then Goku. Also Blue Vegito has the same clothes as Buu saga Vegito even though they have different clothes. One thing I don't get, why didn't Vegito just kill Buu and they use the Dragon Balls to revive everyone. I know, because of plot. The Kai's thought it was all over when Buu absorbed Vegito so nothing was implied that it couldn't have been done that way.
Them being equal is terrible writing, it removes the unique traits that each fusion had. Potara was there if you could get your hands on a pair of earrings, but the dance was better for convenience. The fact that Potara are a godly item that provide a drastically better result than a mortal technique makes sense. Take instant transmission, and Supreme Kai's "Kai Kai" that lets you teleport anywhere even if the Ki signature isn't. It's really just a nerf to Vegito, as the buff he gained in the manga, and especially in the Anime, put him leagues above Buuhan in his base form.
Vegito has a better energy output and uses more ki based attacks but only lasts 15 minutes while gogeta has a outer energy output uses more melee attacks and lasts 1 hour, so gogeta = vegito
I agree porta is stronger however in super it seems like gogeta seems to last longer in super so the stronger fusion is totally dependent on who they have to fight from super onwards
It's inconsistent because in the manga, Vegito lasted 40 minutes against Zamasu and only defused when he tried to use the Final Kamehameha, but in the anime he kinda just randomly defuses after ten minutes.
Current Vegito > Current Gogeta always... The show already stated the multiplier for the potara is way more than the non-godly physical fusion. Thanks for participating tho lol
it's already been stated, and shown, that Gogeta and Vegito in DBS provide the same increase. To top things off they blatantly state Gogeta and Vegito are equally matched trump cards
I believe Ssgod Goku did surpassed Super saiyan fusion even in the manga it would not make sense if his power did not surpassed it as their power levels are not stagnant it continues to grow for the story as well
I’d say you’re on point, because we know the fusion multiplier is mostly based off the power of the individuals. At the time of battle of gods, goku and vegetas power aren’t any where near the multiplier of the ss god, but you seen once they obtain god powers, the base of the fusion is significantly stronger every time it appears then the full power of the individual.
@@PFBLD both really, we know Vegeta and Goku didn’t train much after the buu saga, so vegito himself won’t be much stronger then he was when he first appeared
@@angeltrujill0936 I don't know, it depends how strong you think ssjg is. in my opinion, I just don't see ssjg being stronger than a vegito who is massively stronger than ssj3 goku in base before getting 50 times stronger with ssj. I just don't see it without ssjg having an absolutely absurd multiplier that is comically large. I could definitely see ssjg being stronger than a base vegito tho, but not ssj. Also, when goku talked about the power of ssjg, that was before he obtained it. He didn't think even vegito could handle beerus but then he remembers beerus was looking for the ssjg, so goku would assume it was strong enough to handle beerus if he was trying to find one. beerus likewise doesn't know how strong the ssjg is either, nor did he know about vegito at all. beerus ended up barely trying against goku as we know since they still haven't reached beerus's level yet, so I highly doubt the ssjg was exactly what he was expecting since he expected it to rival him. Goku also had no clue how strong ssjg was, only that beerus was looking for one and that vegito wasn't strong enough, so it must be something crazy strong. but when he actually obtained ssjg, he didn't really seem all that impressed by it like it was the strongest thing he had ever experienced or something, it was just really strong and he was disappointed he wasn't able to achieve that power on his own and instead had to rely on others help. That's just the way I see it tho, there's a million ways to interpret it, I just personally don't think ssjg was more powerful than a hypothetical bog ssj vegito, maybe base vegito but definitely not ssj or higher than that. like imagine how strong ssj3 vegito would be, it's insane for me to think that ssjg could have been stronger than that at the time.
0:53 yes ssg did surpass ssj gogeta and ssj vegito But vegito and gogeta did have ssj 3 and ssj 2 And since ssj 2 and 3 are not dangerous as blue it can handle kaoiken in burst movements Plus goku couldve choosen to fuse with with ssj vegeta as a ssg Idk maybe that wouldve given us ssj blue vegito or blue gogeta lololol But beerus wasn't hellbent on killing earth so everything happened for the best
Yes he does. He just didn't in a non-canon film, but with Broly, he played around until he realized that if he didn't finish it, Broly would continue to grow and eventually destroy everything. So after using Stardust Breaker on him, he took the fight serious and wailed on Broly to the point where he could no longer grow and ended up regressing. Vegito only appeared to play around with Buu because he needed to stall, and his plan was to get absorbed and save everyone bull consumed. Vegito and Gogeta have the same exact mindset dude, exact same person whether one's appearance resembles Goku more or Vegeta.
@@ef-jkota3611 He did get stronger, just nowhere near strong enough. Remember Stardust Breaker? (the finisher used against Super Janemba). After Gogeta used that on Broly, Broly underwent his final stage of growth. That's when Gogeta took the fight seriously and started hitting Broly so hard that he couldn't do an absolute thing. It was over for Broly. He ended up regressing in power due to those devastating blows. That's backed by the fact that he kept staggering, and his pupils returned right before Gogeta unleashed his Kamehameha. So you are right as far as him hitting that wall, but that's only due to the significant damage he was receiving.
I mean like if the 2 fusions really were equal in power why didnt goku use the dance against buuhan Your probably looking at this saying"They didnt have enough time for the dance"but my response is what happened in the broly movie when there was no time? Also in fusion reborn since its in the afterlife goku couldve just teleported to the kaioshin realm to get the potaras(the reason i say this is that dead ppl cant go to the world of the living unless they get revived or yema allows them which means you can reasonably assume the kaioshin realm is somewhere in otherworld) Honestly you can just boil it down to goku being goku
@basimali619 Watch vegitto vs Zamasu when they de-fused, and see the explanation we were given. They were to strong for the potorra earrings, and thus the time fused was extremely shortened
@lightma-lv7co Why, thank you! I try. Yeah, I did see that. I'm not going to question the legitimacy of the translation, my question is more about the claim itself. Doesn't one of these fusions have a clear advantage over the other, even if they are equal in power? Potara still has 2x the time that Metamoran has, which is a big advantage for Vegito to have. Or let's say that Gogeta can go full power for all 30 minutes (which I believe Gotenks has disproven, but for the argument), which would be a big advantage for Gogeta. If that's the case, then they're not REALLY equal trump cards, are they?
@lightma-lv7co Same for you. It's all cool to debate, but what do we look like, getting angry at each other over fiction? It's never that serious. Yeah, there are some scenarios where Vegito could defuse first, but seeing that Vegito has twice the time cap, it seems that Gogeta would defuse first more often than not. And there's also the way that you obtain the fusions that affect their viability as trump cards. Gogeta is a lot more accessible if they both know the dance, so if Gogeta is just as strong, why ever use Vegito? But then there's the fact that Vegito will be perfect every time, unlike Gogeta. If they always have Potara earrings, why use Gogeta and risk failure when you can get the proper results the first time, every time?
Zamasu arc Vegito Blue is stated to be above Beerus by the supreme kai, Gogeta scales above Broly who is stated to "probably" be even stronger than beerus - which we later learn is untrue as Granolah, Gas, & Black Frieza are all stronger than Broly but weaker than Beerus. It's heavily implied that black frieza is also stronger than Gogeta blue So we have Vegito >= Beerus > Black Frieza > Gogeta
Vegito fans all you need is the rival boost and your golden, you can argue all you want for the actual multipliers of both fusions but the rival boost is the ONE thing vegito has gogeta dosent that has not been contradicted, its that easy
@lightma-lv7co elder kai says it himself the rival boost made them stronger in both manga and anime, and the gogeta one is pretty simple its the regular fusion amp, ii mean did you really think metomorian fusion was just their power added together? plus he says equally matched trump cards, why not say equal in strength, but meh dosent really matter since in modern material there making both equals
@lightma-lv7co the then some is the fusion amp because if not your saying fusion dance is just thier power added together and plus elder kai is the one who tells shin to his face its because ethereal rivals their stronger, his not suprised he knows why, because its part of the potara, and again the rival boost for fusion dance dosent exist, it's it's potara exclusive, the "then some" is the fusion amp not a rival boost I just personally think the rival boost has been erased out of the moder continuity which is why we have them as equals
@@XRaiden1Gogeta and Vegito are fusions made of the same exact guys. Eternal Rivals who’s mindset is to grow and out do the other. Gogeta would benefit from the rivalry boost so Shiid
The Kai never specially said the potara is what gave the rival boost to vegito He specially says a Fusion just a fusion of the 2 greatest rivals in history which is what enhances their fusion so Gogeta has the rival boost too lol
I hate this debate. They’re the same person. The only difference is the time length. Just because you combine red and blue in a different way isn’t going to give you a color other than purple
@@johnnygarcia8627 I don't think so because they've always just acted however they needed to for their specific opponent. Gogeta had no reason to do anything other than destroy Janemba, But Vegito wanted to get everyone out of Buu before killing him. Vegito tried his best to kill Zamasu and one of the ways he worked towards this was by demoralizing him so that he would become less focused and more open, Gogeta toyed with broly until he realized that Broly was still growing so he decided to try ending the fight asap after that. Gogeta in GT, similarly to Vegito in super, was trying to demoralize Shenron, most likely to drive home Goku's point about not hurting others or taking life and being a good person, Shenron was hurting people and then Gogeta hurt him.
@@PFBLD gt gogeta isn’t canon, I know! But it’s facts. If you want to go that route. In dragon ball heroes. Gogeta vs hearts, he’s shraight business. No talk, just action. I understand they had different tasks
@@PFBLD but there still different characters. As time goes, they are honing on there differences even more. Gogeta is more vegeta, shaight business. No talk, let me get him out of here. Vegito is more jokey like goku when it comes to his fights. I do think gogeta would have handed zamasu differently.
@@johnnygarcia8627 I honestly don’t think he would handle Zamasu differently than Vegito did. Vegito was Trying to MURDER Zamasu and he was insulting him at the same time, he wanted Zamasu to die. Gogeta would do the same, especially if you look at how he acted against Broly where he was cheesin the whole time with that big ass grin and kinda just messing around up until broly got even stronger, causing Gogeta to lock in.
vegito only has a slight strength advantage overall i believe gogeta overall has better feats and hax along with abilities either way both are equal trumpcards who will get the job done they shouldnt be debated lmao
Despite vegito being a better fusion. Gogeta has always been stronger solely on the components. Gogeta always appeared second where the sayians were always stronger. In buu saga they shatter holes thro dimensions. In fusion reborn, Goku is dbs tier quakin as much as ssg and beerus did via Sean schemmeling that hard AHHHH
@lightma-lv7co Nope. Gotenks (KID Goten and Trunks!) diffused while using SSJ3 (Super Buu saga) in way under 30 minutes, do you honesty believe that Gogeta wouldn't diffuse sooner than that using the same technique in Dragonball Super Broly? Potara is just 1 hour for mortals now, but everything about it is still true about it being superior in every way.
@lightma-lv7co Toriyama forgot what SSJ2 is and he was the creator, so he also wrote "in the story" that Potara fusion is superior. So until it's shown in the story with evidence, Potara fusion (like the Old Kai said (who Toriyama wrote)) is superior.
@lightma-lv7co Ssj3 is Ssj3, and yes Gotenks did know how to use Ssj3, or did you forgot that he was being dramatic after a Super Buu escaped the time chamber? If it can't handle a fusion of two kids in ssj3 form it will last even less for an adult fusion in Ssgss form. No where in the entirety of Dragonball does anyone say Fusion dance and Potara fusion are even close to equal, on the other hand Old Kai said Potara fusion is superior in every way and Gowazu just mentioned the temporary aspect for mortals. And even if the Potaras break, that still does not disqualified what old Kai said cause Potara is Superior.
@lightma-lv7co Gotenks did know how to use Super Saiyan 3, did you forgot how he was building drama when him and Piccolo were trapped in the time chamber? If the fusion dance can't handle two fused kids in ssj3 (Gotenks) who is thousands of time less powerful than an adult in Ssgss (Gogeta) with multiversal busting power, then Gogeta is inferior cause of an inferior fusion (the feats are in the story) Nowhere in the story did Toriyama put that Gogeta and Vegito are equals, on the contrary Old Kai said Potara is Superior and Gowazu just mentioned the condition of not being permanent for mortals. Even if the Potaras break (Like Old Kai said) Potar fusion is still superior. Also Toriyama changes his mind and forgets things a lot, that's why I said the ssj2 thing when you mentioned Vegito and Gogeta being equals cause he didn't wrote it into the story.
All the "retcons" are a completely cop-out. The writers were too lazy and/or unwilling to stay consistent with the original source material and intent. In the new canon, they're equal, but in the old Vegetto is clearer stronger.
@@proheraldsjr3000 Neither does vegito, he has only done that as a means to trick his opponent, never out of being cocky. gogeta acted cocky against broly tho lol.
@@PFBLD cap when did he act cocky against broly he destroyed him vegito literally was cocky in both his fights and in the second fight it gave zamasu the upper hand at one point cope harder 🤷🏾♂️
@@proheraldsjr3000 Gogeta smiled the whole time during the fight and didn't power up until he realized broly was still getting stronger. if he was serious he would have started in blue like vegito. he also waisted time thinking of a name and talking to frieza before fighting broly. Vegito was deliberately trying to piss buu off so he would absorb him, and he was trying to demoralize zamasu because of his insane ideology about gods. Vegito is even more serious in the manga, not even giving zamasu a chance to fight back. I get you like gogeta but that doesn't change he's virtually the same as vegito, that's just the way it is, regardless of how cool his vest is.
@@newhybrid101 bruh this is how I know you don’t even wtf you talking about. It’s stated in the anime and manga and you still ignore the simple facts that potara is not busted like it was in z
Gogeta = Vegito in raw power you dont need to go deep to reach this conclusion Moro Arc Piccolo calls both fusion methods as Last resorts, If Gogeta or Vegito were stronger then only 1 of them would be last resort. Addressing some points. Gogeta dodging Broly doesn't make him Blue level unless you think Base Vegeta in the T.O.P is Jiren level cuz he dodged a blast meant for UI Goku. Even deflection of Energy Blasts isn't a concrete Feat, Gogeta legit Turns SSJ and gets merked in the face by Broly You can say Base Fusion is SSG level which is oddly consistent since in the FT Arc Fatigued SSB Goku whom we know from U6 Arc nerfs you around the level of SSG was able to replicate a feat made by Vegito in Base Base Vegito = Base Gogeta = Nerfed SSB ~ SSG FP. This is also consistent with the anime were Base Kefla slapped around SSG Goku when both her Fuses at SSJ levels combined were giving SSJ2 Goku a rough time. Beerus vs Blue Fusion. All the sources came before the reveal of the technique of the Gods Ultra Ego which is why Scaling Broly Fusions etc to Beerus is simply out of date since they didn't have the full scope of Beerus power at that point especially due to how Ultra ego works allowing the user to increase in battle power the more they use destruction which Beerus does.
That’s a false equivalence. Piccolo said “Fusion”, he doesn’t even mention specifically which, he’s just saying it doesn’t matter which fusion is used, it wouldn’t work against Moro. That’s not proof they are equal.
@@TheMightOfGeburah Piccolo: You guys had the fusion dance and the Potara earrings and other means of combining as last resorts. But those would be rendered useless now! He does single both out, and mention them by name. The important part of the comment is labling both Last Resorts, not that both would be useless against Moro.
@@ACertainMan he singles both out because both are useless against Moro, he never said they are equal in power, you don’t read the manga and you’ve proven that many times.
@@TheMightOfGeburah "Piccolo said Fusion he doesn't even mention specifically which" "He singles both out" So which is it. Does he single both methods or does he not. You can't even remain coherent in 2 comments without contradicting your own statements. And the guy who refused to check the coloured version is now telling me I don't read the manga? That's filthy rich coming from you. Go eat your L in the corner.
@@TheMightOfGeburah "Piccolo said Fusion he doesn't even mention specifically which" "He singles both out" Nice contradiction you got there buddy. Go eat your L. Go read Chapter 93 Page 5 coloured version then tell me to read the Manga. Your the one who proved time and time again by ignoring evidence from the manga itself that you can't read. Go eat your L and take it.
Definitely, Vegito loves flexing his power, humiliating his opponents, and just generally showing the gap between himself and who he's fighting. Gogeta is playful but ultimately knows he has a mission to complete and will make sure it's completed.
There was a weekly shonen scan that stated Metamoran draws bigger power and brings out the users potential and unifying their sprits. Also it said it has a better balance too which basically said Gogeta SSJ would he stronger than Vegito SSJ
I would call myself a Potara stan just because I really love Vegito, he's my baby boo bear hubby wubby snuggly dubbly wunkly skrunkly sunshine, but all I ask is that he's equal to Gogeta. I don't want him to be stronger nor weaker because if he's weaker then obviously that's disrespectful to my boy, but I also don't want him to be stronger because that's also disrespectful to him because Gogeta is his counterpart and if Vegito's counterpart is weaker than himself, that's like saying Vegito is weaker than Vegito which is hella disrespectful fr!
Why are people still arguing this? Toriyama said the fusions are equal that's it. Fanboys need to just get over the fact that they are virtually the same character in everything but aesthetics and personality.
The fusion dance provides a solid time limit and potential for adaptability (gotenks is an example) but in the fusion both the people must have an equal power level While in potara fusion a weak and strong person can fuse the only difference is that potara fusion was made for the divine and fusion dance for mortals One more thing that should be taken into consideration is that there are less facts stated for the fusion dance method than for the potara earrings method
Not in the manga tho, Vegito still had 40 minutes and only defused when he attempted to end the fight with a final kamehama. Also, Gogeta's time limit can be shortened as well, just look at Gotenks. The fight with Broly and Gogeta happened in the time it took Cheelai and Lemo to steal the dragon balls so I doubt it was any longer than 4.. no, 5 minutes.
@lightma-lv7co yea probably he would have, my point was that he was doing fine until he tried to literally kill an immortal being with sheer power. He put so much into it that it caused him to defuse, if he had managed to fire that attack off without defusing he probably would have been too exhausted from it to do anything else, like tien firing a bunch of tri beams or vegeta firing… his final flash. Shocker! Also gotenks is an amazing example, time chamber wouldn’t shorten the time limit.
META > POTARA Gogeta is stated to be an equal trump card to Vegetto. This means basic Meta Fusion and Rival Boost Potara Fusion are equal due to that statement can only be true when no enemy Gogeta or Vegetto will fail to defeat but the other can because of Battle Power differences. Of Gogeta loses to A but not Vegetto then the guide is contradicted. SCALING Ultimate Gokhan is stated to probably of not had reached the power of Vegetto upon fusing due to Goku and Vegeta being rivals. Ultimate is 400×, thus basic Potara Fusion is over 400× weaker than Rival Boost Fusion. Base Kale & Caulifla are no more than Base Goku's Battle Power. When fusing they reach Godku levels of power and beyond. However, weaker than Blue. Red < Basic Potara < Blue < Meta = Rival Potara < Super Saiyan 4🎉
Goku was nowhere near full power when he fought kefla. Fusion dance=Potara so long as each fusee is of equal power as it is important for both fusions. It's a requirement for fusion dance in the first place and for Potara it can lead to a greater multiplier which is kinda what the rival boost concept is. Goku would get nothing but the added power of Hercule if he fused with him, and fusing with Gohan would yield a substantial boost, but not as much as fusing with Vegeta since Gohan was so much stronger than Goku. Goku and Vegeta were the closest in power and therefore had the biggest boost when they fused. This boost is equal to the Fusion Dance boost. Also I don't get what you mean about ssj4, I doubt Goku just turning ssj4 would be stronger than if he were to fuse with Vegeta, especially when fusion tends to make you stronger in base than the max power available to the participants. Also also, ssj4 is not stronger than ssjg. I mean strictly in terms of the multiplier not being as high as I could see gt ssj4 Goku being stronger than ssjg Goku from maybe up to Goku Black arc or the fight with Toppo just before the T.O.P. but not any further than that. This is due to the base powers of these different versions of Goku, Not the transformations that they use.
@@PFBLD actually despite him being damaged throughout the entirety of the tournament, he is resilient enough to use his own full power even when battle damaged. Him fighting them both make some really excited to the point where you can even go Super Saiyan 3 briefly. So he definitely has the stamina to use his full power. Especially when he uses the more life-threatening KaioKen. Her power as a Super Saiyan was even stated to rival the spirit upon which means that Goku what is at his maximum but just stronger than ever before. Specifically stated that Goku and Vegeta gained a larger power increase due to them being rivals. It is stated Within Dragon Ball GT anime comic III that Super Saiyan 4 is stronger than the power of Vegito. SSG < Potara < Ultimate Potara < Rival Boost Potara < Rival Boost SSJ3 Potara < SSJ4
@@terrillwilliams1515 I’m pretty sure when they said ssj4 was more powerful than vegito, they were referring to buu saga vegito, not a current vegito. Also gt isn’t canon so it doesn’t matter what they say about fusion if it’s contradicted directly by the main series. Additionally, goku was not at full power against Kefla, your point about him using ssj3 actually supports my stance since goku literally drops from the form after a few seconds and says he’s to exhausted to use that form. He was nowhere near full strength. A full powered goku would one shot Kefla in ssjg.
@@PFBLD no they were referring to them as transformations. Luckily it's not contradicted. That is not true as he stated how he was so excited he felt unbelievable power building up in him. Then he got carried away and went Super Saiyan 3. However the transformation on like red and blue take up a lot of energy so as stated because he didn't have the stamina to keep up the transformation he deformed from it. Especially when all you really wanted to do is just show it off. If he is getting into the battle and really excited about it all and bubbling up a lot of energy then of course he could use this energy to Simply maintain his own maximum power. Goku has been through Decades of battles and training. There's no evidence to show he would be unable to utilize his 100% power what's the current battle state his body is in. Red does not take up as much energy as Super Saiyan 3 or Blue does. Blue takes up a lot more energy but not as much as Super Saiyan 3. In order to make Super Saiyan God stronger than Super Saiyan 4, you would have to argue that Super Saiyan God Goku at 100% power is stronger than Ultra Instinct Goku when he fought Super Saiyan 2 Kefla who is just a Potara and SSJ2 power up while SSJ4 surpasses Potara, SSJ3, Ultimate, and Rival Boost power ups in 1. Mind you Ultimate on Gokhan is stronger since it's pulling fusion potential of the strongest in the universe, Goku & Gohan. Goku didn't draw out his potential already by Namekian Elder Guru yet.
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Ultra Gogeta Vs Beerus
Your thoughts
Whis implied Gogeta wins
@@newhybrid101 Where?
@@Truth_Existsvegito wins, therefore Gogeta wins.
@@Truth_ExistsLook at my other comment
Monaka wins
Important to note, during the Broly movie, Goku and Vegeta wanted to use the Potaras but couldn't because of time (Despite wasting time failing the fusion). You could make an argument that Potaras are better based on them wanting to use them over the fusion dance.
If they two fusions were relative to each other, there wouldn't be a need for Goku to mention the Potaras.
This too,well done
The potara’s are much easier to use than to learn the fusion dance, the mere fact that goku wasted an hour trying to fuse instead of just teleporting to the Kai’s planet and getting the earrings proves that the dance has to have SOME advantage over the potara, cause otherwise goku and vegeta risked the planets safety for no reason.
@@extremelegendsupreme4596 Goku said it would be quicker to do the dance, which is why they resorted to it. Him saying it's quicker to do the dance implies Pataras are better, but not worth it in the moment. However, not going to the Supreme Kai is probably just plot convince, though.
@jeremymorris345
Well if there equal and ones faster.. lmao
What? Thats not reasonable at all. That doesn’t mean the earrings are better they just don’t have a chance of being failed. The only downside is not being able to use full power that makes the dance better its sorta a high risk high reward, While the earrings are low risk Mid reward
I personally have Vegito as the stronger one, there hasn't been anything to contradict Old Kai's remarks from the Buu Saga (however you interpret them).
However, this doesn't really matter. All that matters is that Beerus is confirmed stronger than Goku and the only remaining argument for Jiren ever being stronger than Broly has just vanished.
Pretty sure everything they said about fusion has been proven wrong at this point 😂
It’s heavily retconned gogeta is better
Ok so i'm going to end a misconseption here, vegito was never said to be "Better" or "Stronger" than metamoran fusion, it was a mistranslation, what he actually said is that Potara are More Efficient
@@jasonmagnes4467 that’s also the truth
Except there is.
Goku clearly states in BoG that his SSG>SSJ3 Vegetto.
In Broly, we see SSJ Gogeta who is many times stronger than SSB Vegeta and SSB Goku.
This means the Fusion Dance gives more power than the Potaras, just like the Weekly Shonnen Jump ( the place where dbz manga came out weekly) comparison of Gogeta and Vegito said.
Also, Kai never said the Potaras were stronger, he said their effect was greater. The fusion was permanent before DBS.
Some people have tried to justify potara being stronger by stating that the stronger member of the fusion doesn't have to lower their power level. But it generally seems like Goku and Vegeta have the same base power level.
Also, I'm pretty sure base-form Vegito completely mollywhopped Super Buu, he wasn't just "competing" with him.
They stopped using power levels for decades, it has always been a trash concept. Secondly lowering the power level doesn't make you weak. 💀
Whis said Vegito is the superior fight. Case Closed
When TF did whis say this 💀
@@XTODONE Bro pulling statements from who knows where💀.. He has to enlighten us.
@@_AgentGray7_ 💀😭🙏
When did whis meet vegito tho💀
@@XTODONE Bro knows Whis on a personal level 💀
I just remembered that Gogeta in DBS Broly was heavily fatigued when he fought Broly, also if we was gonna do a Gogeta Vs Vegito debate it should've been who has the better drip or cooler movepool or who has the more appealing fighting style and let's apply every single moves from the modern video games and other continuity as well from their respective games (mind you Gogeta blue Can use X100 BBKMHMH to rival FKMHMH) So why not that and of course make it wholesome
Fyi i do believe potera is better than the dance in terms of efficiency as Elder kai mentioned that buu would never let them pull off the fusion dance, he wasnt trying to disregard the power of the fusion dance but he was trying to say that they wouldnt have time to pull it off and the time limit issue being a big factor as well also you might as well use the earrings
Gogeta was NOT heavily fatigued fighting broly, from what I remember.
Gogeta was NOT heavily fatigued fighting broly, from what I remember.
Only argument i find valid for Vegito being stronger, is that for potara the power level doesnt have to be the same, so goku doesnt have to lower his power therefore the final calc is higher. If goku and vegeta are the same then gogeta=vegito.
I stil find gogeta and vegito equal nontheless, but id say that argument is the most valid if to be used.
Potara fusion is stronger. Elder kai back in Z confirmed this.
The whole powers have to be equal is just to make the dance possible
For example let’s say goku has a power of 7 and vegeta 5 for the dance goku would lower his ki to 5 to match vegetas 5. All he did was lower his ki for the dance it doesn’t mean gogeta forever losses that 2 ki.
I always found that to be a terrible argument , vegito is just stronger because potara is a stronger fusion.
Potara ain't a "stronger" Fusion its just better as in it has more pros than cons compared to Dance such as Unlimited when it comes to Gods.
And before anyone brings in the Boost factor just so you know thats a innate ability specific to the Fusees not the Earrings
@@SiNKarnage the elder kai himself literally confirmedit as every guide in existence confirmed it.
@@techno0suck3r The Elder Kai stated Potara is superior not Stronger. The old Guidebooks are inconsistent
Dude… Todd Blankenship literally said there were OFFICIAL guides made on Dragon Ball explicitly saying Vegito is the stronger Fusion.
Herms was the one who literally translated the "equally matched trump cards" thing
@@hoothoot2112 yeah but he ALSO said that it wasn’t referring to power levels. The guide statements were referring to power levels.
@@TheMightOfGeburah Herms was the one who called out people claiming "equally matched trump cards" didn't translate to power. Herms himself said that you'd have to twist the words and reach out a lot to make a statement as blatant as "equally matched trump cards" mean that these two fusions aren't equally matched
@@hoothoot2112 he explicitly said that you CAN put it in a way that doesn’t translate to them being equal in power. It’s referring to the techniques themselves and how you’re equally as f’ed if they show up.
@@TheMightOfGeburah Herms said that you'd be a master of origami (aka at twisting words) if you magaed to make it mean anything other than power
Good video
They are literally the same character, just different versions of it. One technique isn’t and never was stated to be stronger the other, or really shown to be stronger, for that matter.
They dont even look the same,not exactly.
Look at their designs,especially the hair.
They are very similar but not the same.
According to some sources they even have a different height
Some people have tried to explain that potara is stronger since the stronger person doesn't have to lower their power in order to fuse with the other one but I'm pretty sure that Goku and Vegeta have literally the same base power level.
Literally every canon DB sources stated than pothala is stronger 💀
@@benjaminbebans4974 What’re the pothala?
@@InvinciDon potara*
Unpopular opinion
This argument is stupid, both fusions defuse when they use too much power. They’re even.
No, only vegito, gogeta doesn't have that limite in cannon
@@Outstandn0he does. its an hour
@r1s382 I'm talking about a power limit. Vegeito can only use a sertan amount of power. And if you overuse it, he defuse.
At the current time, although potaras are better to use due to being easy and not requiring the exact amount of power,The only Advantage Vegito has over gogeta is his Time limit. Otherwise Vegito will defuse Midway. Gogeta himself claimed that this time his power just not multiplied, But it's insignificantly magnified. In the guildbook it was stated that Fusion not only has a better balance, but it also draws out the power to max the fuion stats. There was another statement that if their fight was happened to be like 30 mins, gogeta would win but if the fight happens to be more than 30 mins, Vegito would win since gogeta will defuse to Vegeta and goku. And if we go based on statements, The 30 mins time limits allows the gogeta to raise, go beyond and reach higher power to end the opponent fast. But potaras aren't meant for powerful mortals which resulted in Vegito having a timer and transforming drains the timer even faster. Not to mention it also has a power limit which will lead to Vegito getting defused under 30 mins considering Vegito defused cuz of using too much of his power.
I have been saying this for years. They are equally matched. They both have pros and cons.
Pro: Fusion dance can use its full power without having to unfuse.
Con: power levels have to be equal and the dance has to be performed perfectly.
Pro: anyone can fuse without having to be the same power levels.
Con: The potara you cant put out your full power or the users will defuse.
SSJ4 Gogeta had the same problem as the Potara Fusion in Super.
@@johnlucas2838 SSJ4 Gogeta is not cannon.
@@BerserkerMaro You know who is tho, SSJ3 Gotenks :)
@@PFBLD What's your point?
@@BerserkerMaro Gotenks defused early. It would be disingenuous to say that doesn't apply to Gogeta. Both fusion's have time issues, if either one of them pushes for to long, they will defuse early.
I just like Gogeta better and I wouldn’t have an issue with this debate if it wasn’t used by some Vegito fans to “Justify” being assholes
Lol exactly.
"Gogeta is a fraud and vegitos better because he is stronger" like bro i could care less who's stronger i just like gogeta, yall ain't bullying me outta that.
Recently all i have noticed is gogeta fans being assholes as well if not greater than vegito fans assholeness*
@@toragon2736 Nah stop it. You really out here trying to group the blame on all Gogeta fans. You trying to make being a fan of a character different from what it is. Not saying their isn't assholes, just saying you aint doing any justice by bringing that up.
He is talking about a special case, "some", you went out of your way to go against saying all Gogeta fans. You ain't doing anything bringing that up.
@@toragon2736 You hanging round the wrong places if thats what you recently noticing.
Both can be said about the fanbase of these two fusions. It'll never end because even Gogeta fans has some assholes with their own ideologies that he's stonger because he finishes his opponents faster.
The issue is not one-sided.
This was a great video. I just wanted to add to the broly >= beerus statement in power.
This is very possible since in the SH movie, Vegeta states that Jiren was fairly similar to their blue forms in raw power. It's just how efficiently he uses it that makes the distance between them and Jiren. Jiren is compared to Destroyers in strength, although it is implied Beerus still is a bit above that considering that he is portrayed to be amongst the strongest within the gods of destruction, having fought all the destroyers. He held his own. Broly being above Beerus in power is very plausible as well since he is always spewing ki and rapidly increasing in power.
Secondly, i just wanted to talk about the power difference between Ssj Vegito (Buu Saga) & Ssj Gogeta (Fusion Reborn). Vegito had enormous power at the time, and fusion reborn happens later, so they had to have grown in strength, right?! But Vegeta states that he hasn't improved at all, and even Goku basically agrees and compliments him for trying to stay in shape. Goku is significantly stronger, yes, but Metamoran fusion requires both Ki signatures to be level, which basically negates the whole idea of them being stronger as Goku has to lower his power to Vegeta's level. I think with the Janemba fight, it wasn't really a power feat. Gogeta just used the right moves at the right time. You could imply that he is stronger, but the statement from Elder kai opposes that, not that it is a huge deal breaker or anything.
The conclusion: They're equally matched trump cards.😂
Edit: Metamoran fusion only requires matched ki levels for fusion, and regains all power after?
N as it was stated nowhere that that was the case.
@@rayyanjamil6966its a ritual created by a weak race that creates the strongest possible warrior through an equal dance… why wouldnt that be the case? I want you to think about what we know of the metamorans(weak race as fighters, very good with ki techniques), and think about what would make more sense, very slowly.
@@rednaxela5960 So make up Headcanon with no proof
My take on this
Gogeta does the job faster, not because he's better than Vegito. But because he knows he only got 30 minutes to get the job done so can't afford to screw around and play with his food. Another thing, Gogeta is usual introduced at the end of the movie so basically it's obvious he'll win. He's a main event character.
Vegito on the other, when he was introduced he thought his fusion was permanent. With that in mind, he doesn't have to worry about his time running out. His saiyan ego is fully unleashed. Saiyans tend to play around when they know they're stronger than their opponents, we saw that many times with Goku, kid Gohan against Perfect Cell and Vegeta vs 2nd form Cell. Another thing, Vegito toyed with Buu with the intention to get absorbed and save everyone, if you don't like that reason blame the author.
They're equally strong with different personalities. After all, they're a fusion of the same two characters with two different methods of fusing.
And even then, Gogeta definitely shows his ego sometimes since he messed around with Broly until Broly powered up more.
@@PFBLD I think he was pacing himself cause going all out with Blue from the beginning would be risking an early defuse.
@@prince_badman That may be true, but also it's literally Broly that he's fighting against. Also even if he was pacing himself that doesn't change the cocky attitude he had up until Broly got stronger. He was smiling with a big ass grin the whole time and he literally waisted precious seconds to come up with a good name for himself, then after that he kinda talked down to Frieza in a mocking tone before finally going to fight Broly. Bro was living his best life up until the big buff green man came out.
@@prince_badman I think he went from Base to SSJ to Blue because he wanted to test out if the fusion dance has the fused result burn more power
@@FluppietheRockruffFan basing on your respond, I'd say he was pacing himself to see if he can get the job done without using too much power.
Goku did the same thing against Jigen and Whis explained the reason.
With regards to Vegito, I find it interesting that the situations were reversed between manga and anime. In og Dragon Ball, he went straight into SS in the manga and he fought in base in the anime for a bit but with Super, it's the opposite.
The original manga says Vegito is far stronger
I dont take that guide seriously,it just talked about them as being trump cards.
Likely cause they are both so overpowered that the result is the same anyway
Even Death Battle showed all sources.
Buuhan knew the multiplier and he said Fusion Dance of Goku and Vegeta wouldnt win against him.
And keep in mind,Buuhan had Gotenks inside him(pause) as well as knew Goten and Trunks seperately.
Anf Piccolos intelligence.
He knew EXACTLY the multiplier of Fusion Dance
Manga Vegito is so strong cause his base multiplied off COMPLETE Blue Goku and Vegeta instead of regular Blue.
Completed or Perfected Blue was shown as a far bigger multiplier than Kaioken
Gogeta Blue BEATS Beerus.
Whis basically confirmed it by saying "You two really can work together" and he previously said if they did they could beat Beerus.
It was a reference to that statement regardless of how power scaling changed,a throwback.
NOTHING is above the original manga.
That was when Toriyama was younger and in his prime.
Vegito also doesnt require the fuses to have equal power
Vegito from the Black arc being so strong is enough proof.
Several arcs back, a MASSIVELY weaker Goku and Vegeta,TENS of times weaker atleast via calculations
And he is already on the overall same ballpark even if admittedly weaker?
Yeah no,in the same time frame he would be a dozen times stronger
SSJ1 Vegito is stronger than SSJ3 Gogeta.
However they will always be portrayed as comparable if they fight each other in non canon stuff cause it looks more compelling.
Didn't Goku gain Complete Blue AFTER Vegito got defused and not before iirc?
You guys keep saying these characters beat Beerus and you end up wrong every time, Until I see Beerus defeated I'm not buying it.
You ignore what the Manga says as usual 😂
“They will always be shown comparable”, except for the times when gogeta is portrayed blatantly stronger than vegito lol 😂. I know that sdbh is not canon in ANY way whatsoever, but it’s an official db media, and I’m only talking about the PORTRAYALS. 2 vegitos can’t do anything to broly, but a single gogeta can fight an amped broly using the same form. Both vegitos had trouble against cumber, but gogeta with blue evo was LEAGUES above goku black using a just as strong or much stronger variant of ssj3 than cumber.
I’m only stating this for fun, people who don’t read may get the wrong idea if they somehow come across sdbh as casuals and think that the portrayals are consistent across canons.
@@basimali619 Broly was tired from fighting Cumber and Cumber was tired from fighting 2 Vegito's, you also forget that Goku and Vegeta are way stronger than they were from the prison planet arc.
They are literally the same character just with different names, both are made of exact same people so their power should be the same
relatively the same*
In the manga, goku said that he "had never imagined that such power (SSG) existed". It is proven that characters keep the memories of well performed fusions, therefore goku knew how powerful vegetto was and how powerful could have become using SS3, and still said that he had never even imagined that the SSG could exist
2:20 he did refer to the power, the satement from time limit is completely separated from the statement of potara's superior power
The interviews is where the real juice is metacontextually
Well look at that,you can make a fully logical video when the topic isn’t Broly,props to you.
I've seen many people say "gogeta gets the job done" vegito could've finished the job as well but he didn't kill buuhan because he had to taunt him so he can save his family and friends and in the goku black arc he didn't know about the retcone of the time limit, he could've finished them but he just loves to flex
Kill Buu then use the dragonballs to revive everyone?? If it wasn't an anime/manga would be the first thought but gotta get them toys or games.
"He could've finished them but he just loves to flex" That's exactly why Gogeta gets the job done. Because he doesn't flex and trash talk shit around during fight like Vegito. Broly survive because of Dragonball but if he up against Vegito instead of Gogeta I bet he will survive because Vegito defuse before he could finish him off😂
@@s.s.k7081 vegito literally did not want to kill buuhan because he wanted to save his friends and family and the second time he appeared the potara earrings were retconed to drain the timer if they output too much power which neither Goku or Vegeta know about
@nitroblaze6696 so Vegito failed
Imagine being Gogeta, knowing Vegito exists, and not wondering why they didn’t ask for some Potara with “I’m HIM” energy
Thay are same mfs, the diffrence is one spawn by a silly dance, one spawn by 2 earrings
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I personally always go with vegito being the stronger fusion technique just because he has always had far better feats in comparison to the rest of the cast at that point in time in comparison to gogeta compared to the cast vegito story wise seems more threatening in all aspects
@lightma-lv7co I never said threatening =more powerful I just think he is a far better technical fighter therefore he would be a more threatening person to go up against in comparison to gogeta
@lightma-lv7co what are you even talking about have you read the manga or watched the shows/movies because you sound like a casual
@lightma-lv7conevermind I'm not going to convince you of anything so let's agree to disagree
Base Gogeta>Initial SSJ Broly>>>>>>Blue Goku + Vegeta
SSJ Vegito
Exactly what I tell people, they are bending the story to add old content to fit in super and I’m all for it, knowing we will get more and debates will stung up for everything as it is in anime’s and gogeta and Vegito will be a topic and I like the idea that they r equal because it don’t matter just that which we will see next, for me gogeta my fav because he looks cool, I never use “power” because for years I knew both r just equal and it don’t matter but in looks gogeta def the man, rocking a vest, white pants and barely talks, he understand he here to do work and he just does it, Vegito cool but I’m not a big fan of the endless talking, not to mention vegito vs buy arc like dude srry, shut up and get to the boxing, we don’t have forever to see you fight in this state and your blowing it by talking endlessly
Is it possible everyone only compares power levels to what beerus has shown? He hasn't displayed his full power ever so they're prolly comparing every new power level to what he did display in battle of gods
He went all out in the manga.
Grand Priest said that any GoD that held back would be erased
The characters are just the writer speaking anyways.
@@newhybrid101 I see, I wonder what everyone's reaction to his full power was
vegito is canonically stronger, and imo he is way cooler
This is the way.
This is the law.
Vegito was never meant to exist
@@MofiyinFayemi well he ended up existing and those facts i just said are true
Nope
@@AsperaTM tfym nope?? mb the truth hurts ig 😭😭
I'm not sure if we can really consider Kaioshin's statement about Beerus to even be true... It was in question form, like if it was a possibility.. But not that he knew for sure.. And the Kaio's are known for assuming too much.. Plus, isn't it that deities extent of powers cannot be detected? We don't know the full extent of Beerus' capabilities yet.. But Vegito does - is said - to have an edge over Gogeta.
The debate was already over vegito wins the match
DBZ, vegito is the stronger fusion, was meant to be permanent. Comparing Gogeta from the movie vs Vegito from the anime might be a different story as characters from the movies scale differently.
DBS changed things, fusions got nerfed, specially potara. Vegito = Gogeta, however Vegito is easier to create and has additional time before unfusing. Both of these aspects are a nerf towards potara fusion.
Both fusions got a buff, base fusion is now much stronger than in Z, but the transformations seem to have less impact in my eyes. If base fusion is now SSB tier or so, then SSJ, SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG, SSB... all of these things should have a bigger impact. I feel like a SSJ Vegito variant could have handled Zamasu better. SSB allows for power control, but Vegito was going all out most of the time to deal some serious damage, i feel like he could have done as much damage using less power hungry transformations.
Also one thing people miss out a lot when it comes to fusions, is that Gotenks has learnt SSJ3, not Goten and Trunks. Which means, a fusion could literally adapt and use new things if they have enough time to do so. So SSG Vegito back then, UI fusion, UE fusion, all of these can be a thing, or even combined at some point. DBH showed Vegito using SSBKK against Cumber. KK is a Goku technique, UI and UE are also techniques. SSG is a transformation that Goku knew back then, since both kids can pull off SSJ3, then i am sure as hell Vegito could have gone SSG.
I think if you stop at Z, Vegito is stronger. I think if you use Super, Vegito is officially weaker not interms of power, I think they might be at the same powerlevel, but in terms of the limitation Super gave Vegito, why? Because when Goku and Vegeta unfused against Zamasu, Gowasu said it was because they were using too much power than the earing force them to unfuse, and comparing that to Gogeta vs Brolly, Gogeta did not have that issue, as he was able to throw everything he got, plus more, and never unfused.
Man fusion dance already has a timer of 30 minutes and it took a lot from Gogeta. I think potara fusion don't work that way . After all it's a divine thing , I think it can understand the limit of the body of a fusion and for its safety it just defuse . And in Kefla's case Kefla didn't reach that much power but still she was giving a hard time to UI Goku because she somehow accessed berserk form despite Kaulifla not having that much power. So I think potara fusion is slightly greater since Vegeta has a perfected SSB form .
According to the Accurate translate, the Elder Kai says that “you don’t need to do a silly dance.” Meaning that gogeta and vegito are equals, but I mean more to gogeta due to his personality, as he isnt a over confident person and gets the job done at full power until his time is up. While vegito humiliates his opponents but gets finished.
Finally someone agrees with me that they are equal and it makes sense really because they are technically the same character just different fusion styles of course I do think that if they fuse into gogeta Against Buuhan It wouldn't make much of a difference same implied if they fused against janmba with vegito I hate when people act like horses asses that this individual character is stronger than this It's full of bs I also do believe that fusion reborn gogeta and buu saga vegito Are equal still
Both are equal in terms of power, that's it
People ignore that even when the facts are in front of them😂
No, they aren't are
@@benjaminbebans4974 yeah they are
@@d4r4m53they really aren't. That statement was a mistranslation of what was actually said. The statement was that they are two of the strongest Trump Cards. Meaning out of all the Trump Cards in Dragon Ball they are the strongest, not to be confused with being equal in strength. It's about wording, not what sounds kinda similar.
Which even if you were to continue further trying to say they were equal the translators themselves already came out saying it wasn't in a power sense when the statement was made
Gogeta > Vegito
Bro has not seen the facts 💀💀💀
Vegito>>>>>>Gogeta beyond the concept of negative diff
Vegito is stronger. Gogeta is more efficient. Gogeta if it’s gonna be a slightly longer fight, Vegito if Vegito can Blitz fast enough.
any fusion will get the job done really
if goku and vegeta are 50 each and the villain is a 500
then gogeta is a 2000 and vegito is a 3000
both get the job done both equaly effective
gogeta is cooler and more drippy and is a technique that can be done anytime anywhere so i prefer him
Vegito would have one shotted Broly
@@FazeRustyNutsIf he went all out and wanted to yeah but he wouldn't do that
@@FazeRustyNuts what makes you think gogeta couldn't?
@@FazeRustyNutsAnd you think gogeta couldn’t? He was literally smiling and joking around with broly. He only got serious when he realized soul punisher didn’t work
@@hassentrh2118 because he didn't lmao, even though he had full intent to kill Broly
The manga would follow both movie / anime continuity and i feel like the manga doesnt like making definitive statements in general
Gogeta gets the job done vut vegito is stronger than him according to source material
I dislike Gogeta. The fusion clothes are not to my liking. It makes more sense for Potata to be more powerful after all you need a Kai's earings for it.
True but you could argue that they are meant for gods, divine beings to be used at anywhere near full potential.
I mean. If we’re debating who has better clothes that definitely goes to gogeta. Vegitos style just doesn’t appeal to me, Looks like a worker with those gloves
Kai are weak as fk shit made no sense
Makes sense but it really don’t and here I’ll lay out the reason, Kai’s r gods in Dragon ball so yes it makes sense since the earrings are made by or for them as gods so why would a mortal technique be on par with a gods correct? Ok here is this part, beerus, beerus is not a god as birth, unlike the kais beerus needed to work, for that to happen he needed to have techniques and ability to over ride the power of the gods, just like how gohan or goku in the buu arc made supreme Kai a back up character lol in the eye of Zeno a mortal and gods have no different end points, the path to the end is different, the end is not different so I wouldn’t be surprised is the fusion dance is on par with the potara without the need of earrings when in reality it don’t even matter and after seeing that even trunks is stronger then the Kai now, if anything these mortals are far stronger then any gods in any universes aside from destroyers which btw is far stronger then and Kai and that’s not even a debate and again to stress all of them are mortal, their god in title and that’s it
Ive never understood this "theyre meant for gods so they have to be stronger!" mentality because it just doesnt make sense. Like, okay? Goku and vegeta arent gods. They have god ki, but theyre still mortals. Wanna know the fusion technique made for mortals? Metamoran, and metamoran fusion doesnt defuse under mortal power, because it doesnt treat energy drain and life force as the same thing, it only teeats energy drain as the same thing as life timer when the energy drain comes from something the fusees cant do.
I tend to lean more to Gogeta being strongest because he has that potential to exceed his Saiyan Limits over Vegito who would break apart if he pushes too hard.
Gotenks is verified proof of this factor cause he achieved SSJ2 and SSJ3 without his fusees of having to learn it themselves. If Gotenks can surpass his limitations then Gogeta should do this just as well, being the amalgamation of the 2 most strongest mortals in the universe that succeed eachother.
But you also gotta consider that when Gotenks used ssj3, it burnt out his timer down to just 5 minutes. It would be disingenuous to say this doesn't apply to Gogeta. I think it's more likely both fusions can push their limits if they have to, just at the cost of burning more time. In the manga for super, Vegito only defused 20 minutes early while trying to combine final flash and kamehamha, and Gogeta only fought Broly in the time it took Cheelai and Lemo to nab the dragon balls, so it's likely that he simply didn't fight long enough to defuse early. On top of that Gogeta didn't really have to push himself like Vegito did since he wasn't having to attempt to kill an immortal being, he kinda just toyed with Broly until Broly got even stronger, telling Gogeta that he should really stop playing and just end the fight already.
I think if you were to swap Vegito and Gogeta in all their fights, the outcomes would be the same, with the exception of Fused Zamasu since Gogeta inherently has half the time that Vegito has, meaning he would defuse even earlier with only ten minutes of fusion as opposed to the fourty minutes that Vegito had. Buuhan might possibly be different but I doubt it since Gogeta would be aware of his 30 minute timer, and because of that, he would likely be even more of a bully so as to piss buu off as quickly as possible so that he would get absorbed sooner.
Sorry for the essay :(
@@PFBLD Thats mostly due to the Stamina Taxation of SSJ3 specifically not because of the Power it exerts but the strain it puts on the user much like Kaioken. In the flashback Goten and Trunks were celebrating their ascension beyond SSJ and Goten remarks how the form tires them out and used up all their power at once, implying not having enough energy can wear out the Fusion regardless of time. Its sorta like a Phone Battery playing a High Graphic game. This should easily get resolved if they use the time they have to train in that form, rather than using it as a Final trump card or if they theoretically gained more energy from an outside source (like a Senzu Bean) to make the Fusion last well before the half-hour.
@@SiNKarnage This also applies to ssjb tho, at least in the manga anyway. actually, it applies to any form, they all drain energy, causing stamina loss and strain. that's what causes the aura as well, it is their energy leaking out. This happens until the user masters the form, like Goku and Gohan in cell saga. ssj3, if mastered, wouldn't cause strain and therefore wouldn't cause an early defusion. Same with ssjb, it has massive stamina problems, around the same level of ssj3, to the point that it can tire you so much that you will only have a tenth of your strength or less after only using it for a little bit. this is shown in the u6 tournament where Vegeta gets bodied by Hit. So just like how ssj3 can cut a fusion short, so can ssjb, and if either of them were to be mastered, there wouldn't be any issues. Actually ssjb has been mastered by this point iirc so it shouldn't cause any early fusion splits anymore.
@lightma-lv7co Yea, I mentioned the stamina drain being the cause of early defusion so we agree on that. I don’t agree that the time chamber had any effect on the time limit however. There’s no reason to assume the time chamber would have an adverse effect on fusion, it’s just a pocket dimension with a different flow of time. From the perspective of the fusion, 30 minutes is 30 minutes, whether they are spent within the time chamber or not doesn’t matter. There’s a reason why the early defusion is attributed to ssj3, it’s because that’s exactly what caused it. There’s no more to it than that, simple as.
@lightma-lv7co It never made sense to me how simply being too strong could cause a fusion to split because that causes a bunch of other holes like how much is too much or how much power shortens the time limit by what amount. It also makes fusion as a trump card pointless if you’re just too strong to fuse. I think it makes more sense that Gowasu meant vegito was too powerful in the sense that he used too much of his energy all at once, as in the attack was too powerful in relation to Vegito’s power, so basically he was giving everything he had and completely exhausting himself with one big attack, causing him to defuse due to the sheer energy consumption.
Also, while I agree that you could probably be knocked out of fusion, I think kefla is a bad example because she wasn’t necessarily knocked out, her potara were just broken. Regardless, I do think it would be possible to beat a fusion to the point they defuse, but I think it would be pretty hard to do.
I don't know who's stronger but one stands on business every single time...
They both do lol. Vegito was trying to get Buuhan to absorb him and he outright tried to murder Zamasu multiple times while also trying to demoralize him because Zamasu is a delusional psycho. Gogeta toyed with Broly until he turned green and then decided it was time to end it. If you count the movies and/or Gt, Gogeta had no reason to pity or play with Janemba since he was literally just evil incarnate and against Shenron he was trying to demoralize him just like Vegito did to Buuhan, most likely in an attempt to drive home what Goku had said about being a good person and not taking life and such. When the time comes for them to lock in, they both lock in 100%
Gogeta needs equal power so Vegito is superior
SSG Goku was the fusion of Gohan, Vegeta, Goten, Trunks, and Pan.
Hot take it literally doesn't matter because the story will determine who the winner is and guess what, they won't if they ever do a cannon gogeta vs vegito story they are going to make them equals no matter how much sense it does or doesn't make because that's just kinda how dragon ball rolls
If the word effect is used in the same meaning as in Japanese then I see it meaning since Potara was permanent it's a greater effect, no worry of the enemy wearing you out and you defuse like Gotenks. Not necessarily depicting raw strength. Another retcon Is Potara can only be used once in your life but they technically weren't alive the 1st time. There bodies were stronger dead too so that's a factor. Goku could hold SSJ3 like he did against Fat Buu. I don't really care either way. Gogeta always had the drip and Goku's demeanor even though I like Vegeta better then Goku. Also Blue Vegito has the same clothes as Buu saga Vegito even though they have different clothes. One thing I don't get, why didn't Vegito just kill Buu and they use the Dragon Balls to revive everyone. I know, because of plot. The Kai's thought it was all over when Buu absorbed Vegito so nothing was implied that it couldn't have been done that way.
Them being equal is terrible writing, it removes the unique traits that each fusion had. Potara was there if you could get your hands on a pair of earrings, but the dance was better for convenience.
The fact that Potara are a godly item that provide a drastically better result than a mortal technique makes sense. Take instant transmission, and Supreme Kai's "Kai Kai" that lets you teleport anywhere even if the Ki signature isn't.
It's really just a nerf to Vegito, as the buff he gained in the manga, and especially in the Anime, put him leagues above Buuhan in his base form.
Vegito has a better energy output and uses more ki based attacks but only lasts 15 minutes while gogeta has a outer energy output uses more melee attacks and lasts 1 hour, so gogeta = vegito
I agree porta is stronger however in super it seems like gogeta seems to last longer in super so the stronger fusion is totally dependent on who they have to fight from super onwards
It's inconsistent because in the manga, Vegito lasted 40 minutes against Zamasu and only defused when he tried to use the Final Kamehameha, but in the anime he kinda just randomly defuses after ten minutes.
Current Vegito > Current Gogeta always...
The show already stated the multiplier for the potara is way more than the non-godly physical fusion. Thanks for participating tho lol
It's literally the same thing
Vegeta absorbed Goku.
Goku absorbed Vegeta.
Idk what show youve been watching but they never stated anything about multipliers when it came to the Fusions
it's already been stated, and shown, that Gogeta and Vegito in DBS provide the same increase. To top things off they blatantly state Gogeta and Vegito are equally matched trump cards
They said this in Z go look it up lol
Lmao old kao states potara(the godly earrings) fusion is stronger than the metamorian.
I believe Ssgod Goku did surpassed Super saiyan fusion even in the manga it would not make sense if his power did not surpassed it as their power levels are not stagnant it continues to grow for the story as well
I’d say you’re on point, because we know the fusion multiplier is mostly based off the power of the individuals. At the time of battle of gods, goku and vegetas power aren’t any where near the multiplier of the ss god, but you seen once they obtain god powers, the base of the fusion is significantly stronger every time it appears then the full power of the individual.
Are you saying that ssg Goku surpassed buu saga ssj Vegito, or the strength of a hypothetical bog ssj Vegito?
@@PFBLD both really, we know Vegeta and Goku didn’t train much after the buu saga, so vegito himself won’t be much stronger then he was when he first appeared
@@angeltrujill0936 I don't know, it depends how strong you think ssjg is. in my opinion, I just don't see ssjg being stronger than a vegito who is massively stronger than ssj3 goku in base before getting 50 times stronger with ssj. I just don't see it without ssjg having an absolutely absurd multiplier that is comically large. I could definitely see ssjg being stronger than a base vegito tho, but not ssj. Also, when goku talked about the power of ssjg, that was before he obtained it. He didn't think even vegito could handle beerus but then he remembers beerus was looking for the ssjg, so goku would assume it was strong enough to handle beerus if he was trying to find one. beerus likewise doesn't know how strong the ssjg is either, nor did he know about vegito at all. beerus ended up barely trying against goku as we know since they still haven't reached beerus's level yet, so I highly doubt the ssjg was exactly what he was expecting since he expected it to rival him. Goku also had no clue how strong ssjg was, only that beerus was looking for one and that vegito wasn't strong enough, so it must be something crazy strong. but when he actually obtained ssjg, he didn't really seem all that impressed by it like it was the strongest thing he had ever experienced or something, it was just really strong and he was disappointed he wasn't able to achieve that power on his own and instead had to rely on others help.
That's just the way I see it tho, there's a million ways to interpret it, I just personally don't think ssjg was more powerful than a hypothetical bog ssj vegito, maybe base vegito but definitely not ssj or higher than that. like imagine how strong ssj3 vegito would be, it's insane for me to think that ssjg could have been stronger than that at the time.
april fool guys... keep making these debates
0:53 yes ssg did surpass ssj gogeta and ssj vegito
But vegito and gogeta did have ssj 3 and ssj 2
And since ssj 2 and 3 are not dangerous as blue it can handle kaoiken in burst movements
Plus goku couldve choosen to fuse with with ssj vegeta as a ssg
Idk maybe that wouldve given us ssj blue vegito or blue gogeta lololol
But beerus wasn't hellbent on killing earth so everything happened for the best
Gogeta doesn't play around that's why I like him better
Yes he does. He just didn't in a non-canon film, but with Broly, he played around until he realized that if he didn't finish it, Broly would continue to grow and eventually destroy everything. So after using Stardust Breaker on him, he took the fight serious and wailed on Broly to the point where he could no longer grow and ended up regressing.
Vegito only appeared to play around with Buu because he needed to stall, and his plan was to get absorbed and save everyone bull consumed. Vegito and Gogeta have the same exact mindset dude, exact same person whether one's appearance resembles Goku more or Vegeta.
@@mikewil7571broly hit a wall in that fight, noticed how he didn't get any stronger after blue?
@@ef-jkota3611 He did get stronger, just nowhere near strong enough. Remember Stardust Breaker? (the finisher used against Super Janemba). After Gogeta used that on Broly, Broly underwent his final stage of growth.
That's when Gogeta took the fight seriously and started hitting Broly so hard that he couldn't do an absolute thing.
It was over for Broly. He ended up regressing in power due to those devastating blows. That's backed by the fact that he kept staggering, and his pupils returned right before Gogeta unleashed his Kamehameha.
So you are right as far as him hitting that wall, but that's only due to the significant damage he was receiving.
@@mikewil7571 I mean I guess thats one way of interpreting it. But that would make sense i guess.
@@ef-jkota3611 It's the only way my friend.
I mean like if the 2 fusions really were equal in power why didnt goku use the dance against buuhan
Your probably looking at this saying"They didnt have enough time for the dance"but my response is what happened in the broly movie when there was no time?
Also in fusion reborn since its in the afterlife goku couldve just teleported to the kaioshin realm to get the potaras(the reason i say this is that dead ppl cant go to the world of the living unless they get revived or yema allows them which means you can reasonably assume the kaioshin realm is somewhere in otherworld)
Honestly you can just boil it down to goku being goku
So this means Ssj vegito/gogeta would be way stronger then black frieza
Where's everyone who said MUI Goku is stronger than Fusion? 😂
that being said vegito clears
Vegito is stronger in terms of pure raw power, but Gogeta gets the job done. Idk. Im a DB fan. Just don't ask Death Battle 😅
didn't Vegitto new limitation come from being to powerful for the potarra errings? Causing them to de-fuse vs Black
No
@@basimali619 yeah it did tf💀 potara got heavily retconned
@@proheraldsjr3000 I thought he was talking about the 1 hour time limit, I realise now he maybe talking about the power decreasing the time limit
@basimali619
Watch vegitto vs Zamasu when they de-fused, and see the explanation we were given.
They were to strong for the potorra earrings, and thus the time fused was extremely shortened
@@MrInfoPhilly I know bro, thought you asked something different.
Vegito is stronger, but it's definitely a close fight.
@lightma-lv7co Vegito IS stronger.
They are equals, but not in power.
@lightma-lv7co Could you kindly point me to this translation, please? That way, I can better understand the argument.
@lightma-lv7co Why, thank you! I try.
Yeah, I did see that. I'm not going to question the legitimacy of the translation, my question is more about the claim itself. Doesn't one of these fusions have a clear advantage over the other, even if they are equal in power? Potara still has 2x the time that Metamoran has, which is a big advantage for Vegito to have. Or let's say that Gogeta can go full power for all 30 minutes (which I believe Gotenks has disproven, but for the argument), which would be a big advantage for Gogeta. If that's the case, then they're not REALLY equal trump cards, are they?
@lightma-lv7co Same for you. It's all cool to debate, but what do we look like, getting angry at each other over fiction? It's never that serious.
Yeah, there are some scenarios where Vegito could defuse first, but seeing that Vegito has twice the time cap, it seems that Gogeta would defuse first more often than not. And there's also the way that you obtain the fusions that affect their viability as trump cards. Gogeta is a lot more accessible if they both know the dance, so if Gogeta is just as strong, why ever use Vegito? But then there's the fact that Vegito will be perfect every time, unlike Gogeta. If they always have Potara earrings, why use Gogeta and risk failure when you can get the proper results the first time, every time?
aren’t they like, equal? only difference is technique, final kamehameha or big bang kamehameha and stardust breaker.
I suppose time limit also matters, potara can break and gogeta can’t use extremely stamina taxing forms
yeah, it does
Vegito Blue from zamasu arc was Beerus level.
Gogeta Blue after ToP might not be beerus level.
End
Zamasu arc Vegito Blue is stated to be above Beerus by the supreme kai, Gogeta scales above Broly who is stated to "probably" be even stronger than beerus - which we later learn is untrue as Granolah, Gas, & Black Frieza are all stronger than Broly but weaker than Beerus. It's heavily implied that black frieza is also stronger than Gogeta blue
So we have
Vegito >= Beerus > Black Frieza > Gogeta
@OkKo-hh7vc Cope.
Vegito: fusion which godly items are required
Gogeta: fusion in which a dance is required
Both of them are the same
Vegito is Vegeta absorbed Goku.
Gogeta is Goku absorbed Vegeta.
Simple argument. Equal or in the same realm lessor, or more powerful. then Beerus.
Elder kai confirmed potara is superior to fusion dance he says it himself. This alone vegito>gogeta.
Vegito fans all you need is the rival boost and your golden, you can argue all you want for the actual multipliers of both fusions but the rival boost is the ONE thing vegito has gogeta dosent that has not been contradicted, its that easy
@lightma-lv7co elder kai says it himself the rival boost made them stronger in both manga and anime, and the gogeta one is pretty simple its the regular fusion amp, ii mean did you really think metomorian fusion was just their power added together? plus he says equally matched trump cards, why not say equal in strength, but meh dosent really matter since in modern material there making both equals
@lightma-lv7co the then some is the fusion amp because if not your saying fusion dance is just thier power added together and plus elder kai is the one who tells shin to his face its because ethereal rivals their stronger, his not suprised he knows why, because its part of the potara, and again the rival boost for fusion dance dosent exist, it's it's potara exclusive, the "then some" is the fusion amp not a rival boost
I just personally think the rival boost has been erased out of the moder continuity which is why we have them as equals
@lightma-lv7co ohhh so your using the rival boost as his amplification
Ok now I get what your saying
@@XRaiden1Gogeta and Vegito are fusions made of the same exact guys. Eternal Rivals who’s mindset is to grow and out do the other. Gogeta would benefit from the rivalry boost so Shiid
The Kai never specially said the potara is what gave the rival boost to vegito
He specially says a Fusion just a fusion of the 2 greatest rivals in history which is what enhances their fusion so Gogeta has the rival boost too lol
I hate this debate. They’re the same person. The only difference is the time length. Just because you combine red and blue in a different way isn’t going to give you a color other than purple
There not the same person tho, they have different personalities. Different mindsets. I do think there equal, but there clearly different individuals
@@johnnygarcia8627 I don't think so because they've always just acted however they needed to for their specific opponent. Gogeta had no reason to do anything other than destroy Janemba, But Vegito wanted to get everyone out of Buu before killing him. Vegito tried his best to kill Zamasu and one of the ways he worked towards this was by demoralizing him so that he would become less focused and more open, Gogeta toyed with broly until he realized that Broly was still growing so he decided to try ending the fight asap after that. Gogeta in GT, similarly to Vegito in super, was trying to demoralize Shenron, most likely to drive home Goku's point about not hurting others or taking life and being a good person, Shenron was hurting people and then Gogeta hurt him.
@@PFBLD gt gogeta isn’t canon, I know! But it’s facts. If you want to go that route. In dragon ball heroes. Gogeta vs hearts, he’s shraight business. No talk, just action. I understand they had different tasks
@@PFBLD but there still different characters. As time goes, they are honing on there differences even more. Gogeta is more vegeta, shaight business. No talk, let me get him out of here. Vegito is more jokey like goku when it comes to his fights. I do think gogeta would have handed zamasu differently.
@@johnnygarcia8627 I honestly don’t think he would handle Zamasu differently than Vegito did. Vegito was Trying to MURDER Zamasu and he was insulting him at the same time, he wanted Zamasu to die. Gogeta would do the same, especially if you look at how he acted against Broly where he was cheesin the whole time with that big ass grin and kinda just messing around up until broly got even stronger, causing Gogeta to lock in.
Finally someone that has a brain there equal in super thats it
vegito only has a slight strength advantage overall i believe gogeta overall has better feats and hax along with abilities either way both are equal trumpcards who will get the job done they shouldnt be debated lmao
@lightma-lv7co are you disagreeing? you haven’t said anything that implies ur opinion on whom is stronger
Despite vegito being a better fusion. Gogeta has always been stronger solely on the components. Gogeta always appeared second where the sayians were always stronger. In buu saga they shatter holes thro dimensions. In fusion reborn, Goku is dbs tier quakin as much as ssg and beerus did via Sean schemmeling that hard AHHHH
I wanna see Vegito get movie love so baddd😭😭😭
@@PFBLD then he’d finally be able to catch a W, cuz in anime he has the same Win rate as ssb… zero
Vegito is more powerful, Old Kai said Potara fusion is superior to fusion dance.
@lightma-lv7co Nope, only difference is the time limit for mortals.
@lightma-lv7co Nope. Gotenks (KID Goten and Trunks!) diffused while using SSJ3 (Super Buu saga) in way under 30 minutes, do you honesty believe that Gogeta wouldn't diffuse sooner than that using the same technique in Dragonball Super Broly? Potara is just 1 hour for mortals now, but everything about it is still true about it being superior in every way.
@lightma-lv7co Toriyama forgot what SSJ2 is and he was the creator, so he also wrote "in the story" that Potara fusion is superior. So until it's shown in the story with evidence, Potara fusion (like the Old Kai said (who Toriyama wrote)) is superior.
@lightma-lv7co Ssj3 is Ssj3, and yes Gotenks did know how to use Ssj3, or did you forgot that he was being dramatic after a Super Buu escaped the time chamber? If it can't handle a fusion of two kids in ssj3 form it will last even less for an adult fusion in Ssgss form. No where in the entirety of Dragonball does anyone say Fusion dance and Potara fusion are even close to equal, on the other hand Old Kai said Potara fusion is superior in every way and Gowazu just mentioned the temporary aspect for mortals. And even if the Potaras break, that still does not disqualified what old Kai said cause Potara is Superior.
@lightma-lv7co Gotenks did know how to use Super Saiyan 3, did you forgot how he was building drama when him and Piccolo were trapped in the time chamber? If the fusion dance can't handle two fused kids in ssj3 (Gotenks) who is thousands of time less powerful than an adult in Ssgss (Gogeta) with multiversal busting power, then Gogeta is inferior cause of an inferior fusion (the feats are in the story) Nowhere in the story did Toriyama put that Gogeta and Vegito are equals, on the contrary Old Kai said Potara is Superior and Gowazu just mentioned the condition of not being permanent for mortals. Even if the Potaras break (Like Old Kai said) Potar fusion is still superior. Also Toriyama changes his mind and forgets things a lot, that's why I said the ssj2 thing when you mentioned Vegito and Gogeta being equals cause he didn't wrote it into the story.
The original manga says Vegito is stronger, case closed.
Potara being Superior doesnt mean Vegito is STRONGER dont put words in the Mangas pages
@@SiNKarnagetf is it supposed to mean then
@@no.12papangkornkaewklad27 Perhaps idk look up a dictionary...
@@SiNKarnage you don't even know yourself 💀
@@no.12papangkornkaewklad27 Projection aint gonna do you good here. I shouldn't have spoon feed you the obvious difference between two words. 😄
1 hr > 30 minutes
Vagito is the goat man imagine having to do a goofy ass dance to fuse lol
I feel like you're always having this talk
For me it will always be a tie
Mfs who argue vegito vs gogeta like PlayStation vs Xbox need to gegeta job
🎉🎉
Vegeto> berus Gogeta = whis
also Vegeto less than or equal to Black freeza
Delete this please.
Gumball wins… Period
All the "retcons" are a completely cop-out. The writers were too lazy and/or unwilling to stay consistent with the original source material and intent.
In the new canon, they're equal, but in the old Vegetto is clearer stronger.
Gogeta wins
Are you saying this just because you wanna steal Gogeta's clothes or because you somehow genuinely believe Gogeta is more powerful?
@@PFBLD I think gogeta would actually win he doesn’t waste a ton of time showboating like another fusion Ik🙌🏾
@@proheraldsjr3000 Neither does vegito, he has only done that as a means to trick his opponent, never out of being cocky. gogeta acted cocky against broly tho lol.
@@PFBLD cap when did he act cocky against broly he destroyed him vegito literally was cocky in both his fights and in the second fight it gave zamasu the upper hand at one point cope harder 🤷🏾♂️
@@proheraldsjr3000 Gogeta smiled the whole time during the fight and didn't power up until he realized broly was still getting stronger. if he was serious he would have started in blue like vegito. he also waisted time thinking of a name and talking to frieza before fighting broly. Vegito was deliberately trying to piss buu off so he would absorb him, and he was trying to demoralize zamasu because of his insane ideology about gods. Vegito is even more serious in the manga, not even giving zamasu a chance to fight back.
I get you like gogeta but that doesn't change he's virtually the same as vegito, that's just the way it is, regardless of how cool his vest is.
It’s definitely retconned.
I often find that most retcons are just fans not understanding things and making up their own beliefs
@@newhybrid101 bruh this is how I know you don’t even wtf you talking about. It’s stated in the anime and manga and you still ignore the simple facts that potara is not busted like it was in z
@@newhybrid101 yeah. Not this retcon.
@@proheraldsjr3000
1 hr > 30 minutes
Gotenks ssj3 shortened his 30 minutes
Vegito will always have more time than gogeta
I’m first
Gogeta = Vegito in raw power you dont need to go deep to reach this conclusion Moro Arc Piccolo calls both fusion methods as Last resorts, If Gogeta or Vegito were stronger then only 1 of them would be last resort.
Addressing some points.
Gogeta dodging Broly doesn't make him Blue level unless you think Base Vegeta in the T.O.P is Jiren level cuz he dodged a blast meant for UI Goku. Even deflection of Energy Blasts isn't a concrete Feat, Gogeta legit Turns SSJ and gets merked in the face by Broly
You can say Base Fusion is SSG level which is oddly consistent since in the FT Arc Fatigued SSB Goku whom we know from U6 Arc nerfs you around the level of SSG was able to replicate a feat made by Vegito in Base
Base Vegito = Base Gogeta = Nerfed SSB ~ SSG FP.
This is also consistent with the anime were Base Kefla slapped around SSG Goku when both her Fuses at SSJ levels combined were giving SSJ2 Goku a rough time.
Beerus vs Blue Fusion. All the sources came before the reveal of the technique of the Gods Ultra Ego which is why Scaling Broly Fusions etc to Beerus is simply out of date since they didn't have the full scope of Beerus power at that point especially due to how Ultra ego works allowing the user to increase in battle power the more they use destruction which Beerus does.
That’s a false equivalence. Piccolo said “Fusion”, he doesn’t even mention specifically which, he’s just saying it doesn’t matter which fusion is used, it wouldn’t work against Moro. That’s not proof they are equal.
@@TheMightOfGeburah
Piccolo: You guys had the fusion dance and the Potara earrings and other means of combining as last resorts. But those would be rendered useless now!
He does single both out, and mention them by name. The important part of the comment is labling both Last Resorts, not that both would be useless against Moro.
@@ACertainMan he singles both out because both are useless against Moro, he never said they are equal in power, you don’t read the manga and you’ve proven that many times.
@@TheMightOfGeburah
"Piccolo said Fusion he doesn't even mention specifically which"
"He singles both out"
So which is it. Does he single both methods or does he not. You can't even remain coherent in 2 comments without contradicting your own statements. And the guy who refused to check the coloured version is now telling me I don't read the manga? That's filthy rich coming from you. Go eat your L in the corner.
@@TheMightOfGeburah
"Piccolo said Fusion he doesn't even mention specifically which"
"He singles both out"
Nice contradiction you got there buddy. Go eat your L.
Go read Chapter 93 Page 5 coloured version then tell me to read the Manga.
Your the one who proved time and time again by ignoring evidence from the manga itself that you can't read.
Go eat your L and take it.
Gogeta gets the job done
Of course he gets the job done when your mouth is always gripped on him
Yeah he bullied the man child with mental handicaps
Definitely, Vegito loves flexing his power, humiliating his opponents, and just generally showing the gap between himself and who he's fighting.
Gogeta is playful but ultimately knows he has a mission to complete and will make sure it's completed.
@dualjnavanonoobJavehara-le6lh no on said he couldn't
Idk why these Gogeta fans always bring this up, give Vegetto a movie appearance and he would do the same🤦🏻
i gave up on provide this, Vegito fans just too sped to understand that their opinion doesn't trump the authors
They the same two people
There was a weekly shonen scan that stated Metamoran draws bigger power and brings out the users potential and unifying their sprits. Also it said it has a better balance too which basically said Gogeta SSJ would he stronger than Vegito SSJ
If this is brought over to Super with Gogetas full power capabilities as shown in the broly movie then Gogeta blue is one shotting Vegito
Slow creeps >
Fusion.= fusion
Potara stans stay mad
Mz > all
I would call myself a Potara stan just because I really love Vegito, he's my baby boo bear hubby wubby snuggly dubbly wunkly skrunkly sunshine, but all I ask is that he's equal to Gogeta. I don't want him to be stronger nor weaker because if he's weaker then obviously that's disrespectful to my boy, but I also don't want him to be stronger because that's also disrespectful to him because Gogeta is his counterpart and if Vegito's counterpart is weaker than himself, that's like saying Vegito is weaker than Vegito which is hella disrespectful fr!
Why are people still arguing this? Toriyama said the fusions are equal that's it. Fanboys need to just get over the fact that they are virtually the same character in everything but aesthetics and personality.
The fusion dance provides a solid time limit and potential for adaptability (gotenks is an example) but in the fusion both the people must have an equal power level
While in potara fusion a weak and strong person can fuse the only difference is that potara fusion was made for the divine and fusion dance for mortals
One more thing that should be taken into consideration is that there are less facts stated for the fusion dance method than for the potara earrings method
Gogeta blue has 30 minutes potora fusion at blue level is less then 10 💀💀 so gogeta is more efficient and stronger 🤷🏽♂️
Not in the manga tho, Vegito still had 40 minutes and only defused when he attempted to end the fight with a final kamehama. Also, Gogeta's time limit can be shortened as well, just look at Gotenks. The fight with Broly and Gogeta happened in the time it took Cheelai and Lemo to steal the dragon balls so I doubt it was any longer than 4.. no, 5 minutes.
The dumbass person in the world by like
@lightma-lv7co yea probably he would have, my point was that he was doing fine until he tried to literally kill an immortal being with sheer power. He put so much into it that it caused him to defuse, if he had managed to fire that attack off without defusing he probably would have been too exhausted from it to do anything else, like tien firing a bunch of tri beams or vegeta firing… his final flash. Shocker!
Also gotenks is an amazing example, time chamber wouldn’t shorten the time limit.
META > POTARA
Gogeta is stated to be an equal trump card to Vegetto. This means basic Meta Fusion and Rival Boost Potara Fusion are equal due to that statement can only be true when no enemy Gogeta or Vegetto will fail to defeat but the other can because of Battle Power differences. Of Gogeta loses to A but not Vegetto then the guide is contradicted.
SCALING
Ultimate Gokhan is stated to probably of not had reached the power of Vegetto upon fusing due to Goku and Vegeta being rivals.
Ultimate is 400×, thus basic Potara Fusion is over 400× weaker than Rival Boost Fusion.
Base Kale & Caulifla are no more than Base Goku's Battle Power. When fusing they reach Godku levels of power and beyond. However, weaker than Blue.
Red < Basic Potara < Blue < Meta = Rival Potara < Super Saiyan 4🎉
Goku was nowhere near full power when he fought kefla. Fusion dance=Potara so long as each fusee is of equal power as it is important for both fusions. It's a requirement for fusion dance in the first place and for Potara it can lead to a greater multiplier which is kinda what the rival boost concept is. Goku would get nothing but the added power of Hercule if he fused with him, and fusing with Gohan would yield a substantial boost, but not as much as fusing with Vegeta since Gohan was so much stronger than Goku. Goku and Vegeta were the closest in power and therefore had the biggest boost when they fused. This boost is equal to the Fusion Dance boost.
Also I don't get what you mean about ssj4, I doubt Goku just turning ssj4 would be stronger than if he were to fuse with Vegeta, especially when fusion tends to make you stronger in base than the max power available to the participants.
Also also, ssj4 is not stronger than ssjg. I mean strictly in terms of the multiplier not being as high as I could see gt ssj4 Goku being stronger than ssjg Goku from maybe up to Goku Black arc or the fight with Toppo just before the T.O.P. but not any further than that. This is due to the base powers of these different versions of Goku, Not the transformations that they use.
@@PFBLD actually despite him being damaged throughout the entirety of the tournament, he is resilient enough to use his own full power even when battle damaged. Him fighting them both make some really excited to the point where you can even go Super Saiyan 3 briefly. So he definitely has the stamina to use his full power. Especially when he uses the more life-threatening KaioKen. Her power as a Super Saiyan was even stated to rival the spirit upon which means that Goku what is at his maximum but just stronger than ever before.
Specifically stated that Goku and Vegeta gained a larger power increase due to them being rivals.
It is stated Within Dragon Ball GT anime comic III that Super Saiyan 4 is stronger than the power of Vegito.
SSG < Potara < Ultimate Potara < Rival Boost Potara < Rival Boost SSJ3 Potara < SSJ4
@@terrillwilliams1515 I’m pretty sure when they said ssj4 was more powerful than vegito, they were referring to buu saga vegito, not a current vegito. Also gt isn’t canon so it doesn’t matter what they say about fusion if it’s contradicted directly by the main series.
Additionally, goku was not at full power against Kefla, your point about him using ssj3 actually supports my stance since goku literally drops from the form after a few seconds and says he’s to exhausted to use that form. He was nowhere near full strength. A full powered goku would one shot Kefla in ssjg.
@@terrillwilliams1515 Also, I’m fairly certain the rival boost thing comes from guide books, not the manga.
@@PFBLD no they were referring to them as transformations. Luckily it's not contradicted.
That is not true as he stated how he was so excited he felt unbelievable power building up in him. Then he got carried away and went Super Saiyan 3. However the transformation on like red and blue take up a lot of energy so as stated because he didn't have the stamina to keep up the transformation he deformed from it. Especially when all you really wanted to do is just show it off. If he is getting into the battle and really excited about it all and bubbling up a lot of energy then of course he could use this energy to Simply maintain his own maximum power. Goku has been through Decades of battles and training. There's no evidence to show he would be unable to utilize his 100% power what's the current battle state his body is in. Red does not take up as much energy as Super Saiyan 3 or Blue does. Blue takes up a lot more energy but not as much as Super Saiyan 3.
In order to make Super Saiyan God stronger than Super Saiyan 4, you would have to argue that Super Saiyan God Goku at 100% power is stronger than Ultra Instinct Goku when he fought Super Saiyan 2 Kefla who is just a Potara and SSJ2 power up while SSJ4 surpasses Potara, SSJ3, Ultimate, and Rival Boost power ups in 1.
Mind you Ultimate on Gokhan is stronger since it's pulling fusion potential of the strongest in the universe, Goku & Gohan. Goku didn't draw out his potential already by Namekian Elder Guru yet.