NOTE: Previously I incorrectly claimed that Fort Lee, NJ was named after my ancestor Henry "Lighthorse" Lee. It was actually named after Charles Lee. That part of the video has been removed. Thanks to viewer Justin Greenberg for the correction. As always, I welcome these helpful kinds of comments. Sorry for the mistake!
I did this for a Business Legal paper once. It was related to how fragile the earliest days of the US really were, and as I learned more about the fragility of the nation then, I immediately thought of MGS2 the more I read into it
30:20 onwards. So, so important to know that about modern life. The idea that reality itself has become an ‘Intangible‘ - even on the battlefield. Heck, that‘s like the spine of MGS2‘s message.
lol yeah, not exactly something I like to broadcast. It seemed important to this video, but in general, I'm kinda ashamed of the connection. So many people use that name to justify horrendous things. Nobody can choose what family they were born into, I guess. I do everything I can in my professional life to redeem my last name.
it is genuinely scary how much more Kojima knows about US history than me..a US citizen lol Also terrifying, is he some kind of prophet??? Is life imitating art? he seems to think up a lot of scenarios that kinda come true in the real world...is he the Architect? Is he God???
He's about 60 years old and he's been obsessed with American movies his entire life. It's not some mind breaking thing that over his life, he learned a lot about the US.
Hes spilled UK own culture infulence aswell.... lol I appreciate seeing outside the scope in Kojimas mindset. 🍿as someone from the UK, I have always looked at US to look up too. Like father figure guidance, how it dose not tell everything of who it is as it has integrity. Japan is the wisemen sitting on a stole on the side I go too (mostly these days) if US is talking crap and the UK....
@@BJ-zd2orBritain Looking at It’s Son like a Great Father Ofcourse It Fit’s Reality But The Common Casual Metaphor Is America The Son because ofcourse; It’s Creation How Interesting
Amazing presentation, as always. Good of you to highlight the important contradictions coexisting at the heart of any country. I always loved the initial infiltration sequence in MGS2. It's characterized by a very sharp contrast of man against machine, but it does so in a very interesting way. It presents buildings, human architecture and the massive industrial achievement like a tanker ship as towering, brutal, alienating, sentry-like figures shrouded in a cloak of mystery, against which the human form is tiny, animal-like. Snake must brazenly infiltrate a gigantic machine, to enter it in search of secrets, much like Otacon hacks into the ungraspable black void of military mainframes. Much like the most pervasive memes propagate, not always in the open, but starting from a place of obscurtiy. Warfare in the information age has become a descent into the belly of the beast.
My ancestor was a Continental General at Valley Forge under Nathaniel Greene who was Washington's right hand General. I also have a Civil War Dog Tag from my ancestor, who was a Colonel in the 26th Ohio Volunteers.
Amazing work dude, really insightful Love how people can analyze and re-analyze this games and keep extracting so much meaning. Truly one of the greatest games of all time
Hey man I know you haven’t been uploading in a while but I just wanna say your music choices for these video essays is top notch. Thank you for the great work and entertaining content
loving this series but I'm seeing how gd fast your putting out content so hopefully you're open to some topic suggestions. Anyway would love for you to cover Portable Ops; there's barely any coverage of it on youtube and i've heard that's its not just canonical but important to MGS4 in someway.
'ad hoke' 😂. I love when you mess up pronunciations lol. No really though I'm not making fun of you, it's part of the charm for me lol. Your videos are really incredible, even listening to some of them twice. Excellent work, my friend!
Agree about the charming mispronunciations, I've never heard anyone say mimicry as Mimic-Cry but now I can't unhear it. Comes up a lot in a video about memes
I think its editing out mistakes for retakes and probably trying to match it back up. That and or editing cuts/takes together from multiple readings. Just a guess though.
It's a long story. I use fade ins to compensate for having to made edits, and I guess I get so used to them from having to re-listen to the audio while editing that I don't realize how unnatural it sounds. I'm reading my lines off a notebook, so there are inevitably pauses, misreads, and mistakes. I'll work on that, thanks for commenting! You're not the first to notice.
And would your ancestors be proud of you for spending your time making videos analysing video games?.......I hope so, cause this series is friggin sick. Keep up the good work man.
everything youve done is amazing. ive been watching now for 2 days i do have one thing to split hairs about. its not even bad. its just a pet peeve i guess? mimicry is pronounced "mihmickree" not "me me cry"
thank you! Yeah, you aren't the first person to point this out. I really regret not watching a lecture or two on biology and thinking I could get by just by reading. Thanks for being so nice about it, others were definitely less forgiving when pointing out my mistake. I'll do better next time, Boss!
@@FuturasoundProductions and dude - its not a huge deal, the content, the effort, your analysis in every little detail, speaks volumes. i have a history poli sci background and the way you do your presentations, are perfectly sound thesis' -and i went through a huge dawkins phase, even got to hear the guy do a lecture. so for you to wrap all this info together and bring a whole new light on so much of what i had once just considered a mind blowing video game is amazing. youve done well. so if the only thing is a word pronounced incorrectly you are beyond talented. and im not kidding when i said its been two days. im still watching some and listened all day today while working. love your channel and your research on MGS. thank you
How was a lee a traitor? He even said the reason for fighting for the south was because he could not raise a army against his home. He was offered to lead the union army but declined. I get the modern lens for which we all view the war through but we should all come to an understanding that these men are Americans who sided with their states. I’m glad the country is still whole but lee served in the us military before the civil war. We are all human and make mistakes. Let these men Rest In Peace.
Robin Hogan the “point” was a group of STATES who govern themselves to unite against a common foreign enemy. Lee was a patriot and Virginia was his STATE and was not about to lead a foreign army into it. Lee has served in other wars he fought for his country before. I’m glad our country is still one but I have to say something when an AMERICAN is called traitorous because he refused to betray his fellow Americans.
Hey man. I wouldn’t give General R. Lee such a hard time. You call him a traitor but his home was Virginia. A man of honor. You should still be proud of a renowned general.
Nice videos, but you got some minor details off about Desert Shield and Desert Storm that may prove more relevant in the long run. Iraq didn't owe Kuwait money, it was actually the other way round as Kuwaiti aid was contingent upon their DCA, upon which Kuwait defaulted at the end of the Iran-Iraq war. Meanwhile, Kuwait was indeed slant-drilling out of Rumalia, and the GCC were intentionally violating OPEC production quotas to harm Iraq's and Iran's economies. But most importantly, the rise and breaking of OPEC leading to the first Gulf War coincided with a more important brewing geopolitical crisis for the West: the discovery of the true size of the West Siberian petroleum basin. The worry wasn't about petro-euros, it was about petro-rubles.
@@FuturasoundProductions Not a problem. My source for that I shouldn't and won't disclose publicly, but it's nothing classified and is more or less a known quantity nowadays. Amnesty International for one had a full report published in...'92 I think...detailing in full how the US casus belli was entirely manufactured. Bottom line is, Iraq had casus belli and the Desert Storm/Shield was executed on a lie to preserve GCC regional hegemony -- a lie that's still maintained to this day even after the '03 Iraq invasion. In the bigger picture and more directly relevant to the themes of MGS2, was the press' relationship to the military during the first Gulf war, nestled as it was between Vietnam and the '03 Iraq war. The press being blamed for the "loss" of Vietnam due to reporting undermining consent for the war, and the '03 invasion being the start of the era of embedded journalism. The press in Desert Shield/Storm being shown a curated, detached, and ultimately sanitized perspective of the war, to control media narrative of it while preserving the appearance of a free press.
From what I know and studied of Robert E Lee, to call him 'racist' is a terribly modern, lazy and over-simplified portrait of the man which I'm shocked that you provided tbh
When Franklin wrote "join or die" it was in reference to an earlier letter he had written. Meaning band together or we will perish. kind of an early version of "untied we stand" it wasn't a "you better join us or we will kill you" but more "come with us if you want to live"
He’s Helping and He’s Getting There but Contain’s much Quite Unproductive, Ignorant, Disappointing, Incorrect and Unoriginal thinking Alotta just Wrong Lessons with Fake Justifications and No Evidence, Empty and Hollow and Framed as Accreditation? So Sad Given The Metal Gear, Especially 2, Context Good Historical Reference Great Presentation Thank You Toward’s The End; What in The-
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NOTE: Previously I incorrectly claimed that Fort Lee, NJ was named after my ancestor Henry "Lighthorse" Lee. It was actually named after Charles Lee. That part of the video has been removed. Thanks to viewer Justin Greenberg for the correction. As always, I welcome these helpful kinds of comments. Sorry for the mistake!
Charles Lee
"GIVE ME LEE!!!!"
BROTHER!
love the use of the GZA in the beginning!!!
Gotta feel bat for Charles Lee. He's most remembered for fiction.
I’m a general hooo weee!!
Its like a college student is making his video essay projects more fun by basing his history video around Metal Gear.
lol
I did this for a Business Legal paper once. It was related to how fragile the earliest days of the US really were, and as I learned more about the fragility of the nation then, I immediately thought of MGS2 the more I read into it
I love the style you've used. The mix of news clips and MGS footage in your videos is so interesting and gets your point across well
Long discussions of philosophy and history + video game + newsreel footage; it's basically more Metal Gear Solid.
Can't believe how fast you're coming out with these.
You have now entered the 36 chambers of metal gear!!
🔥👐u-tang🔥👊😎
Mgs 2-wang
Sha-go-had ain’t nuttin to fuck wit
Killer bee honey bee!
If Snake or Riden creep up behind you ya best Protect ya Neck!
30:20 onwards. So, so important to know that about modern life. The idea that reality itself has become an ‘Intangible‘ - even on the battlefield. Heck, that‘s like the spine of MGS2‘s message.
The Wu at the beginning is so perfect the editing is great on this intro
You had me with "Investigative Reports"
Sometimes you don't know you need something badly until it's right in front of you. Metal Gear montage and Wu Tang is certainly that
Lmao that hit hard
One of the best intros for a retrospective I’ve seen thus yet
That was so damn good man. That intro... and, I hadn't put together your last name and that of the General, but, I guess... yeah. Very interesting!
lol yeah, not exactly something I like to broadcast. It seemed important to this video, but in general, I'm kinda ashamed of the connection. So many people use that name to justify horrendous things. Nobody can choose what family they were born into, I guess. I do everything I can in my professional life to redeem my last name.
@@FuturasoundProductions Don't let anyone guilt trip you over that, sins of the father is bullshit. You are a guy that analyzes MGS, right?
@@FuturasoundProductions You could always weaponize it against them. "Even the decedents aren't down with your shit" is a good line to use.
it is genuinely scary how much more Kojima knows about US history than me..a US citizen lol Also terrifying, is he some kind of prophet??? Is life imitating art? he seems to think up a lot of scenarios that kinda come true in the real world...is he the Architect? Is he God???
He's about 60 years old and he's been obsessed with American movies his entire life. It's not some mind breaking thing that over his life, he learned a lot about the US.
Hes spilled UK own culture infulence aswell.... lol I appreciate seeing outside the scope in Kojimas mindset. 🍿as someone from the UK, I have always looked at US to look up too. Like father figure guidance, how it dose not tell everything of who it is as it has integrity. Japan is the wisemen sitting on a stole on the side I go too (mostly these days) if US is talking crap and the UK....
@@BJ-zd2orBritain Looking at It’s Son like a Great Father
Ofcourse It Fit’s Reality
But The Common Casual Metaphor Is America The Son because ofcourse; It’s Creation
How Interesting
The intro set to Investigative Reports 😱 🤤 thematically and aesthetically perfect (chefs kiss) 👌
Such a clean intro, great vid Jorin!
Amazing presentation, as always. Good of you to highlight the important contradictions coexisting at the heart of any country.
I always loved the initial infiltration sequence in MGS2. It's characterized by a very sharp contrast of man against machine, but it does so in a very interesting way. It presents buildings, human architecture and the massive industrial achievement like a tanker ship as towering, brutal, alienating, sentry-like figures shrouded in a cloak of mystery, against which the human form is tiny, animal-like. Snake must brazenly infiltrate a gigantic machine, to enter it in search of secrets, much like Otacon hacks into the ungraspable black void of military mainframes. Much like the most pervasive memes propagate, not always in the open, but starting from a place of obscurtiy. Warfare in the information age has become a descent into the belly of the beast.
Man your videos are such a treat to watch. You're coming out with these so quick, i'm so surprised!
Peak quality
My ancestor was a Continental General at Valley Forge under Nathaniel Greene who was Washington's right hand General. I also have a Civil War Dog Tag from my ancestor, who was a Colonel in the 26th Ohio Volunteers.
The memes Jack
I came here for Metal Gear Solid, and instead learned more about the founding of America than I ever have in one sitting.
Amazing work dude, really insightful
Love how people can analyze and re-analyze this games and keep extracting so much meaning. Truly one of the greatest games of all time
This has seriously made my day so amazing
Good to see you're finally getting the views you deserve, may you grow forever more!
Bro the fact you used WuTang.... perfect song choice. Honestly should’ve been the intro to the game tbh. You just earned a sub off of that alone 🤞🏽
Yet another fine piece content.
Hey man I know you haven’t been uploading in a while but I just wanna say your music choices for these video essays is top notch. Thank you for the great work and entertaining content
Hey man, your videos are incredible. Big time Adam Curtis vibes and some Mark Fisher as well.
Mark Fischer how?
Love your vids man, keep em coming
Huge respect for dropping Investigative Reports by Wu Tang! Suuuuu! Love your work btw. Binge watching all of it rn
I literally finished yhe previous episode an hour ago, holy shit thats awesome
I'm going through all of these. It's staggering how much cultural information went into this game. Great video.
Loving this series
Your videos are amazing keep up the great work.
These videos are as dense as the game. I'm really enjoying them but do lose track sometimes, which means I will just rewatch them. It's a win win.
N O S T E P O N S N E K !
loving this series but I'm seeing how gd fast your putting out content so hopefully you're open to some topic suggestions. Anyway would love for you to cover Portable Ops; there's barely any coverage of it on youtube and i've heard that's its not just canonical but important to MGS4 in someway.
Holy shit, I'm a direct Lee descendant as well (though the last name only carried as far as my grandfather) does that make us cousins?
did this dude legit just use a wu-tang song for the intro, that's fucking legendary
Where will you take memetics next, their archetypal foundations or move into teme theory?
Dude you posted this the same day u replayed MGS2, funny coincidence
It's a meme
Your memes end here
'ad hoke' 😂. I love when you mess up pronunciations lol. No really though I'm not making fun of you, it's part of the charm for me lol. Your videos are really incredible, even listening to some of them twice. Excellent work, my friend!
Agree about the charming mispronunciations, I've never heard anyone say mimicry as Mimic-Cry but now I can't unhear it. Comes up a lot in a video about memes
Awesome video, my friend👍
Okay
Please Tell Me Simply:
Which of These Analyses Are Your Favorite?
Your Best Quality
Way Too Many to sort through
Incredible Work
20:57 this is fucking beautiful man.
La li lu le lo
Great videos man
Great job! As always.
Swell vid mate. I do have to ask though - what's with the mid sentence audio cuts?
I think its editing out mistakes for retakes and probably trying to match it back up. That and or editing cuts/takes together from multiple readings. Just a guess though.
It's a long story. I use fade ins to compensate for having to made edits, and I guess I get so used to them from having to re-listen to the audio while editing that I don't realize how unnatural it sounds. I'm reading my lines off a notebook, so there are inevitably pauses, misreads, and mistakes. I'll work on that, thanks for commenting! You're not the first to notice.
very well made video thank you
I'm pretty sure Fort Lee, NJ is named after Charles Lee, not Henry Lee
Where is Charles Lee?
Thanks for the heads up, I've edited the video accordingly. Who could have guessed there were so many Lees?
What was that song at the beginning wow. Sounds underground
Imagine cruising the algorithm and discovering a video from someone with whom you share a common ancestry. Lol. Nice to meet you, distant cousin.
Great intro
And would your ancestors be proud of you for spending your time making videos analysing video games?.......I hope so, cause this series is friggin sick. Keep up the good work man.
This channel in the words of ocelot, "YOU'RE PRETTY GOOD!!"
I loved your work already. But Wu-Tang!? Next level.
What is the Soundtrack you used @41:00?
"Y2K", an unreleased MGS2 track th-cam.com/video/YfpVj1AXPIA/w-d-xo.html
everything youve done is amazing. ive been watching now for 2 days
i do have one thing to split hairs about. its not even bad. its just a pet peeve i guess?
mimicry is pronounced "mihmickree" not "me me cry"
thank you! Yeah, you aren't the first person to point this out. I really regret not watching a lecture or two on biology and thinking I could get by just by reading. Thanks for being so nice about it, others were definitely less forgiving when pointing out my mistake. I'll do better next time, Boss!
@@FuturasoundProductions and dude - its not a huge deal, the content, the effort, your analysis in every little detail, speaks volumes. i have a history poli sci background and the way you do your presentations, are perfectly sound thesis' -and i went through a huge dawkins phase, even got to hear the guy do a lecture. so for you to wrap all this info together and bring a whole new light on so much of what i had once just considered a mind blowing video game is amazing. youve done well.
so if the only thing is a word pronounced incorrectly you are beyond talented. and im not kidding when i said its been two days. im still watching some and listened all day today while working. love your channel and your research on MGS. thank you
You're pretty good 👉👉
Holy shit what a great intro song
That intro was fucking unreal
GZA THE GENIUS!!! 👐
How was a lee a traitor? He even said the reason for fighting for the south was because he could not raise a army against his home. He was offered to lead the union army but declined. I get the modern lens for which we all view the war through but we should all come to an understanding that these men are Americans who sided with their states. I’m glad the country is still whole but lee served in the us military before the civil war. We are all human and make mistakes. Let these men Rest In Peace.
Robin Hogan the “point” was a group of STATES who govern themselves to unite against a common foreign enemy. Lee was a patriot and Virginia was his STATE and was not about to lead a foreign army into it. Lee has served in other wars he fought for his country before. I’m glad our country is still one but I have to say something when an AMERICAN is called traitorous because he refused to betray his fellow Americans.
Hey man. I wouldn’t give General R. Lee such a hard time. You call him a traitor but his home was Virginia. A man of honor. You should still be proud of a renowned general.
Your views are criminally low. Really well produced video essays!
A RZA/GZA track on the title cards. Instant like.
I was really not expecting to hear Investigative Reports.
San Andreas style intro
Your pretty Good
Nice videos, but you got some minor details off about Desert Shield and Desert Storm that may prove more relevant in the long run. Iraq didn't owe Kuwait money, it was actually the other way round as Kuwaiti aid was contingent upon their DCA, upon which Kuwait defaulted at the end of the Iran-Iraq war. Meanwhile, Kuwait was indeed slant-drilling out of Rumalia, and the GCC were intentionally violating OPEC production quotas to harm Iraq's and Iran's economies.
But most importantly, the rise and breaking of OPEC leading to the first Gulf War coincided with a more important brewing geopolitical crisis for the West: the discovery of the true size of the West Siberian petroleum basin. The worry wasn't about petro-euros, it was about petro-rubles.
eacaraxe thanks for the heads up! Hopefully I’ll be able to address this in a future video
@@FuturasoundProductions Not a problem. My source for that I shouldn't and won't disclose publicly, but it's nothing classified and is more or less a known quantity nowadays. Amnesty International for one had a full report published in...'92 I think...detailing in full how the US casus belli was entirely manufactured. Bottom line is, Iraq had casus belli and the Desert Storm/Shield was executed on a lie to preserve GCC regional hegemony -- a lie that's still maintained to this day even after the '03 Iraq invasion.
In the bigger picture and more directly relevant to the themes of MGS2, was the press' relationship to the military during the first Gulf war, nestled as it was between Vietnam and the '03 Iraq war. The press being blamed for the "loss" of Vietnam due to reporting undermining consent for the war, and the '03 invasion being the start of the era of embedded journalism. The press in Desert Shield/Storm being shown a curated, detached, and ultimately sanitized perspective of the war, to control media narrative of it while preserving the appearance of a free press.
I’m related to Robert E Lee too
Youre related to Robert E Lee!!!?
I used to work with a guy named Jeffrey Lee who said he was also related to Robert...he was Canadian, however
MORE WU-TANG AND MGS
Great video! Mimicry is pronounced "mimic-ree"
I had to tab out to check how I got to wu.
Killed it with the wu
Imagine living on like the 3rd floor in the 1760s. Killer heat bra
Your not proud to be related to General Lee?
Whatever you say yo
How are you this good?
You and I may actually be related genetically, I too am related to Robert E. Lee although I don't know his relevance to my family directly.
From what I know and studied of Robert E Lee, to call him 'racist' is a terribly modern, lazy and over-simplified portrait of the man which I'm shocked that you provided tbh
You should never be ashamed of your heritage.
Porque Kazzabe si sabe
Certified Politcal Hood Classic
Shit... flowin’ with them liquid swords...
I’m already wet.
"Join or die" - Yep, sounds like freedom.
When Franklin wrote "join or die" it was in reference to an earlier letter he had written. Meaning band together or we will perish. kind of an early version of "untied we stand" it wasn't a "you better join us or we will kill you" but more "come with us if you want to live"
Seeing as you are fond of using the word throughout your videos I’ll leave this here: www.howtopronounce.com/mimicry
La li lu le lo!
Wu -TANG FORVER!
Wow, that's a massive oversimplification of the American Civil War but alright
As a characterization, it wasn't meant to be a sufficient description, merely a necessary one
And they keep saying mgs 2 was the weakest of the series
no one really says that anymore tbf
it's usually considered to be 4 or V now
It‘s still ahead of its time. Soon deepfake tech will proliferate widely. Then we can kiss goodbye to reality.
@@ElStink4K In fact, in recent times MGS2 is considered one of the best
Yo.
wu taaaaaang
Wu TANG
The Wu Metal Gear
He’s Helping and He’s Getting There but Contain’s much Quite Unproductive, Ignorant, Disappointing, Incorrect and Unoriginal thinking
Alotta just Wrong Lessons with Fake Justifications and No Evidence, Empty and Hollow and Framed as Accreditation?
So Sad Given The Metal Gear, Especially 2, Context
Good Historical Reference
Great Presentation
Thank You
Toward’s The End;
What in The-
Nationalism is the only way ♥
why does the myth of the racist South still exist?