the most notable thing here is that under Atreides rule, Caladan remains ecologically balanced and unpolluted, even though there is rich industry there.
Caladan is a paradise world and it's people know how lucky and blessed they are to live there and would protect and support house Atreides at all costs knowing the alternatives in the universe. Leto Atreides army rivalled that of the Saudarkar. This was from three main things, awesome and tough training to levels of near perfection of skill, talented leadership and absolute loyalty. Not only did House Atreides have very loyal and competent warriors but also a very loyal, educated and hard working people to support them, this loyalty and devotion was earned over many generations. Even the emperor and Baron Harkonan knew that the Atreides army could repel a direct assault from the fearsome Saudarkar and needed to win through subterfuge and internal betrayal at the highest level to have a hope to win. Long Live House Atreides.
@@jamescameron149 I know what you mean though when you get a nice Sunny day down by the loch in summer there's little better but yeah it's usually the constant rain that makes the Highlands surrounded by oceans as caladan easy to picture haha
Yea for sure! Would be very cool and interesting to see some alien sea monsters from Caladan! But that isn’t where the movie is going to focus, so I doubt we’ll see something cool like that
@@MonkeSeeMonkeLaugh yea but this is also like 20,000 years in the future. And the planet of Caladan is much different than earth, so if they just brought all the regular sea life from Earth to Caladan and let them do their own thing for 20,000 years there’s still gonna be some pretty cool and crazy stuff. Especially since in this universe humans can turn into the navigator things by doing enough spice. So evolution isn’t a super long process like it is on Earth.
@@blainejackson2857 To my understanding from the novel, Caladan is a (very) young planet which has yet to evolve native life. It is basically Earth before Earth evolved any lifeforms outside of likely microscopic organisms.
This is a great summation of Caladan, and really shows the contrast between here and Giedi Prime. The movie's images of Caladan are amazing and I can't wait to see it, I can only imagine how nightmarish Villeneuve's vision of Giedi Prime will be!
Dune: great houses hold planets and maneuver against each other for political gain Game Of Thrones: great houses hold territory and maneuver against each other for political gain Herbert and Tolkien influence fiction to this day.
@@AnkhAnanku Asian cultures have their own fantasy books and films. A lot of it is great houses maneuvering against each other for political gain, because that's what bored aristocrats did back in the day before Netflix. They weren't influenced by Dune, though. Also, Dune was heavily influenced by Middle Eastern history, which was a big departure for books of its era. Herbert was not ahead of his time in everything though - his homophobia is pretty blatant in the character of the Baron. I would like to say it was standard for the time, but actually Herbert was on the worse end. He disowned his gay son Bruce. Even ten years later in God-Emperor, male homosexuality is still deviant. (But lesbianism is fine, lol.) But of course I agree, and it is changing.
What happened to Caladan and the serfs left behind? I always assumed the Atreides kept control until they were destroyed on Dune. Then either the Emperor or the Harkonnen took it over. Imagine the Harkonnen showing up in orbit one day and enslaving/destroying your beautiful planet. So sad.
The Lady Jessica returned to Caladan after the events of the first book. The new movie ends about halfway through book one. ETA: spoilers, read the books!
One of my favourite little details in the book is that Paul has to describe things like seagulls to Chani because she has no concept of something like the ocean or anything ocean related.
Paul: wasn’t your father one of the leading ecologists in the Empire whose whole goal and subsequently the whole goal of the Fremen was to turn Arrakis into a paradise world using massive water caches to conduct global terraforming?
After re-reading the books. I also think it's worth noting is House Atreides uses a lot of propaganda. It was one of the first things Leto I ordered when they arrived on Arrakis. I think there is also a scene where an exhausted Duke confesses to Paul that he made a mistake and that a lot of the propaganda wasn't really true. At least that was my interpretation. Especially, after Paul becomes emperor it makes you question just how nice the Atreides actually are. When Paul is so brutal and corrupt.
Propaganda doesn’t always imply it’s negative though, it’s mostly just a form of communication used for influencing a particular audience to believe a certain way. Its kinda odd that most things in our daily life could be considered propaganda by the definition alone.
Paul fell into the trap of hopelessness. He saw the future and was trapped by it. It doesn’t help that his power base was the Fremen which despite them being portrayed as the good guys are still an incredibly brutal race of warrior fanatics. I believe there is a quote where Paul says that he can’t stop the storm of the Fremen he can only direct it. The next two books is Paul attempting to destroy his own legacy and image of Godhood. “When politics and religion ride in the same cart the whirlwind follows”
The Dune analysis videos just keep on coming!!! Honest comment, this have given me a completely different view on how I'm reading (currently on Children of Dune) this series. Appreciate the content
As always thank you so very much for the video. Some (many) decades (70's) ago I remember "Dune" was one of the first SciFi novels I tried reading after I'd become interested in reading. I made it a few chapters in, and failed. A couple of decades later I tried again, and was thrilled almost as much by reading the whole novel, as I was by the story. And now I've (finally) got myself another copy so I can read it again. I mention this here to say thank you, as I suspect the benefit of having watched your Dune videos will make my reading experience even better. Thank you.
This likely highlights my nerd-ness, but... I've wondered how a Fremen would react, were they to find themselves on Caladan somehow. This stems from the related conversation between Paul and Chani. What sort of thoughts would run through their head? Thanks for the video.
Frank Herbert: "If you feed the plebs, they go soft and squishy" Also Frank Herbert: "the Emperor wanted rid of the Atreides because they were building an army that could rival the Sardaukar in prowess, if not in numbers"
Apart from the books themselves this is one of the most beautiful and informative descriptions of Caladan. Very much the way I imagined, but in more detail.
Good video on Caladan and House Atreides. The Atreides are a really good counterpoint to the loathsome Harkonnen on Giedi Prime. Very nicely done - Thanks for this!
Whale fur. Please explain the whale fur trade to me. Was that just code for an exotic textile only the highest caste could afford, or was there some other subtle ecological message in there?
If a planet was primarily water (ie: oceans) with a few small continents its weather would be similar to the Pacific Northwest of North America or Scotland. Further it would have massive storms since most significant storms emanate over oceans where moisture is collected - think hurricanes and typhoons.
It must have had more temperate, dryer and warmer regions though if it was able to produce such great wine - assuming, of course, that the wine was made from grapes.
Lesson from Caladan: if you live in a nice place with an organized, uncorrupt government: steal yourself and be tough on invaders, you need to protect yourself from outsiders who will arrive to escape their dysfunctional own societies, which they won't fix themselves, they'll just arrive en masse to escape their own disaster places, while bringing their own dysfunction with them.
@@mrogun1974 Yes and now they are using immigration to create an underclass they can control with politics and use them for cheap labor while radically changing the culture
The question I'd like to ask is what happened to Caladan in the period between the death of Leto and the rise of Paul. Was it exploited and ruined by the Harkonnens, stewarded by the Emperor or the Landstrad or passed to another great house?
Mate this channel is unreal... I just finished reading the first book after playing dune 2 on my pc when I was a kid nonstop... I'm learning so much about the universe that I never even began to know... keep up the great content... one question, now I finished the original book are the others worth reading and what order cos I heard they are a bit trippy and don't make too much sense so ruin the original (someone's opinion to me) Thanks again Marcelo Manchester UK 🇬🇧
I've not seen all your videos. What are the devices that float above the heads of the royal family and what is their purpose? They were featured in the 1984 film.
I never understood why the Atreides had to give up their planet when the received Arrakis. The Harkonnens got to keep their planets when they ruled Arrakis.
They didn't though. Lady Jessica went "back to Caladan" after Paul became the emperor making it seem that Caladan was still very much still an "Atreides" place
Caladan was placed under stewardship of Count Fenring (Kevin Andersons Mary Sue). Lady Jessica was able to go back and retake it for the Atreides because Paul WAS the emperor. I mean who was going to say “no your mom can’t go back to rule Caladan.”
If it were me, I would have never ceeded the planet Calidan. I would have split my house and handed it over to a family member then take Arrakis as my own. Thus splitting and enlarging my base of power like the emperor does with his prison planet or the Baron and Arrakis before. The Duke and his men were fools for taking to a trap unprepared and suffered the loss of two worlds for their hubris.
Losing Caladan was the price they paid for the Arrakis fiefdom. The Emperor and the Harkonnens were in cahoots to take revenge on the Atredes. Plans within plans. C'mon, man!
@@friedrudibega6384 still an easily solved problem. Marriage of Paul or other family members into another great houses would have paused all these plans within plans. Subversion may be the theme of the Dune saga but military and political tactics are not present beyond elementary standards. Why pay a price knowing it's a trap and knowing that your enemies did not have to pay that price. Why self isolate your whole power base and take on a forced addiction of spice knowing that you can never project power again. Nope, it was a fools gambit and the Duke lost.
@@kineticstar solid argument. The Duke could have tried something, anything, to keep Caladan but didn't. Now I have to reread the first book and I thank you for that. Cheers!
I wonder what happens to Caladan after the Atreides are defeated on Arrakis. Did the Harkonnens take it over? Or did Leto leave someone behind to govern it?
Thanks Elaine. Muad'Dib said that Caladan made its people soft, that they lost their edge. Yet the Atraides army rivalled that of the Saudarkar. An incongruity. I don't agree with Herbert that a harsh environment always makes for good soldiers. This is a plot device. I'm not American, but the US is generally viewed as a 'soft', rich paradise country by much of the world. It also has the best military in the world, by most measures. Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany brutalized their soldiers, citizens and their opponents, before and during World War 2, and both were defeated. I'm guessing that Herbert partly based Salusa Secundus on Sparta of Ancient Greece, which was only powerful for roughly 2 centuries. Harsh environments can weaken and break people, not always make them stronger. I do agree with Herbert that ideology is a primary driver.
@@harrybirchall3308 I agree with everything you say. I'm Canadian (a spoiled paradise by many measures), and I can see as an outsider the pros and cons of the US. I've also visited the US many times. I've also lived in some very poor countries. The US is generally viewed, by foreigners like myself, as 'soft and rich', on a comparative basis. That's why so many people want to move to both our countries. My argument against Muad'Dib's claim is that a harsh country like Russia or China cannot compete against the US, because generally speaking, the US has rule of law and relative freedom (and is self sufficient on a food, fuel, resource basis). I'm guessing Herbert made Dune as a cypher for Saudi Arabia at the time of Mohammed, and Islam's fast early spread. The US government cannot treat its soldiers or its citizens the same way North Korea or China does. As for the murder rate in the US, that is a complicated function of the Second Amendment, and the history of slavery that they are still coming to terms with. Ultimately, Salusa Secundus did not have a Las Vegas, or a free press, an independent court system or universal suffrage, to my understanding. Canada and the US did help save Britain from Hitler, as a side note. Herbert's main thesis is that monarchy is bad. Yesterday I saw a documentary about the City of London and offshore bank havens. Now that is global legalized organized crime that benefits only the royalty and nobility of England and other ultra-rich. It is really evil and Herbert would be the first to say it should be eliminated. I'm completely in favour (Canadian spelling) of abolishing all parasitic monarchies. The British empire is alive and well, and still doing bad things. As you can see from my name, I'm about as Anglo-Saxon as it gets, and my ancestors were a nasty bunch.
_It also has the best military in the world, by most measures._ The largest and with the most extensive budget is not necessarily the best. The US military has had serious, extensive problems for generations.
@@paulh2468 _because generally speaking, the US has rule of law_ That isn't true at all. *You have no ideas as to how extensively the rule of law has been broken in the United States.* _that is a complicated function of the Second Amendment,_ How is that London has such a higher crime rate than many regions in the US? How has Chicago, with the most gun control legislations, the higher crime rates? _parasitic monarchies_ Really? _Monarchies_ are what is bad in the world today? The city of London has been one ruled by bankers rather than kings and queens for a very long time now.
I can't imagine it being like Nepal 🇳🇵, my home country cause it's landlocked and has 3 geographical types that being planes, hills, and mountains. So, well because it's a planet it's probably like the whole Earth but better.
Here is the formal ruleset governing how planets are handed out in the Dune Universe. IF you are: The 'good guys', you get a nice, temperate idyllic world with blue skies, and clean aquamarine, clear waters, as far as the eye can see. Oh, and lush forests too. It will almost always be sunny with only a 10% chance of rain on any given day. Did I mention that? (if it does happen to rain, it will brief and the sun will come out immediately afterwards). No worries. If you are with: The 'bad guys'. You get to rule over a featureless black marble of a world, filled with smog, Dickensian factories, lakes of toxic sludge, and environmental degradation as far as the eye can see. Oh, and its perpetually dark as well. Even at noon. And it only gets darker after that. Did I mention that? (Because EVIL!) IF you are kinda sorta, vaguely, goodish, or evil, or maybe a little of both, you get a.....neutralish world. While those worlds are not as bad as the Geidi Prime purgatory, it wont near as awesome as Caladan either. Being sort-of-evil, means you get a semi-menacing, but not overtly evil looking world to live on.
Right, how come at the start of the story the Harkonnens seem to control Arrakis and their home world Geidi Prime but when the Atreides take over they have to give up Caladan?
I don't read the book. After the death of Leto in dune. How did the people of caladan react? What happened to the political system? I'd be happy to see replies :)
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the most notable thing here is that under Atreides rule, Caladan remains ecologically balanced and unpolluted, even though there is rich industry there.
The Harkonnens should have learned from the Atreides
@@Davepool-hs7vrthe harkonnens are a bunch of savages lol
@@Davepool-hs7vr Paul is a harkkonen lmao
Caladan is a paradise world and it's people know how lucky and blessed they are to live there and would protect and support house Atreides at all costs knowing the alternatives in the universe.
Leto Atreides army rivalled that of the Saudarkar. This was from three main things, awesome and tough training to levels of near perfection of skill, talented leadership and absolute loyalty. Not only did House Atreides have very loyal and competent warriors but also a very loyal, educated and hard working people to support them, this loyalty and devotion was earned over many generations.
Even the emperor and Baron Harkonan knew that the Atreides army could repel a direct assault from the fearsome Saudarkar and needed to win through subterfuge and internal betrayal at the highest level to have a hope to win.
Long Live House Atreides.
I’ve read the books many years ago so I’ve forgot some things. What happened Caladan after the Atreides left? I thought went to the emperor, yes?
@@72tadrian65 By the time of Dune Messiah, it belongs to Jessica and Gurney - who protect it for their people. Long Live The Duke!
Don’t forget that one of the perils Herbert was trying to get across is be weary of charismatic leaders.
Atreides Atreides Atreides
Oscar Isaac looks so dashing as Leto. Great casting! Thanks for the continued lore analysis
I always picture Caladan as being a planetary mix of Scotland and Greece when it's mentioned
As a Scot, I enjoy that mental picture. Scotland isn't known for it's blazing sunshine ;-)
@@jamescameron149 I know what you mean though when you get a nice Sunny day down by the loch in summer there's little better but yeah it's usually the constant rain that makes the Highlands surrounded by oceans as caladan easy to picture haha
I'm Scottish too, we have some great land over here, but terrible weather.
I thought about Greece, Sicily, Italy and Indonesia
I would have to agree. Nice.
I'm bettin there are some beautifully terrifying deep sea critters on Caladan. Oh yes.
Yea for sure! Would be very cool and interesting to see some alien sea monsters from Caladan! But that isn’t where the movie is going to focus, so I doubt we’ll see something cool like that
Well , *spoiler*,
there is no life with extraterrestrial origin except the sandworms( unconfirmed origin). So no underwater horror sadly.
@@MonkeSeeMonkeLaugh yea but this is also like 20,000 years in the future. And the planet of Caladan is much different than earth, so if they just brought all the regular sea life from Earth to Caladan and let them do their own thing for 20,000 years there’s still gonna be some pretty cool and crazy stuff. Especially since in this universe humans can turn into the navigator things by doing enough spice. So evolution isn’t a super long process like it is on Earth.
@@blainejackson2857 To my understanding from the novel, Caladan is a (very) young planet which has yet to evolve native life. It is basically Earth before Earth evolved any lifeforms outside of likely microscopic organisms.
@@mspionage1743this is from the book?
This is a great summation of Caladan, and really shows the contrast between here and Giedi Prime. The movie's images of Caladan are amazing and I can't wait to see it, I can only imagine how nightmarish Villeneuve's vision of Giedi Prime will be!
He didn’t disappoint, did he? The Giedi Prime act in Dune 2 is so visually arresting and awesome.
He didn’t disappoint, did he? The Giedi Prime act in Dune 2 is so visually arresting and awesome.
I pictured Caladan quite similar to where I live in Ireland but with slightly better weather.
And people who speak in a understandable accent
With all the great beer & whiskey!
It is on my bucket list...
to visit Planet Caladan.
hahahaha. Just kidding. I actually want to visit Ireland someday.
Wouldn't a planet have different regional weather patterns?
Feck.
Dune: Paul is from Caladan, Chani from Arrakis
Star Wars: Padmé is from Naboo, Anakin from Tatooine
Dune: great houses hold planets and maneuver against each other for political gain
Game Of Thrones: great houses hold territory and maneuver against each other for political gain
Herbert and Tolkien influence fiction to this day.
@@wadewilson4520 More like European political history continues to limit our imagination to this day
Also Tolkien didn’t write Game of Thrones
@@AnkhAnanku Asian cultures have their own fantasy books and films. A lot of it is great houses maneuvering against each other for political gain, because that's what bored aristocrats did back in the day before Netflix. They weren't influenced by Dune, though.
Also, Dune was heavily influenced by Middle Eastern history, which was a big departure for books of its era.
Herbert was not ahead of his time in everything though - his homophobia is pretty blatant in the character of the Baron. I would like to say it was standard for the time, but actually Herbert was on the worse end. He disowned his gay son Bruce. Even ten years later in God-Emperor, male homosexuality is still deviant. (But lesbianism is fine, lol.)
But of course I agree, and it is changing.
And their son destroy the galaxtic govrning system
@@squamish4244 Old World political history?
What happened to Caladan and the serfs left behind? I always assumed the Atreides kept control until they were destroyed on Dune. Then either the Emperor or the Harkonnen took it over. Imagine the Harkonnen showing up in orbit one day and enslaving/destroying your beautiful planet. So sad.
The Lady Jessica returned to Caladan after the events of the first book. The new movie ends about halfway through book one.
ETA: spoilers, read the books!
House Atreides were ordered to relinquish fiefdom of Caladan by the Emperor and Arrakis became their new home, what follows may ruin the next movie/s
One of my favourite little details in the book is that Paul has to describe things like seagulls to Chani because she has no concept of something like the ocean or anything ocean related.
Paul: wasn’t your father one of the leading ecologists in the Empire whose whole goal and subsequently the whole goal of the Fremen was to turn Arrakis into a paradise world using massive water caches to conduct global terraforming?
After re-reading the books. I also think it's worth noting is House Atreides uses a lot of propaganda. It was one of the first things Leto I ordered when they arrived on Arrakis. I think there is also a scene where an exhausted Duke confesses to Paul that he made a mistake and that a lot of the propaganda wasn't really true.
At least that was my interpretation.
Especially, after Paul becomes emperor it makes you question just how nice the Atreides actually are. When Paul is so brutal and corrupt.
Propaganda doesn’t always imply it’s negative though, it’s mostly just a form of communication used for influencing a particular audience to believe a certain way. Its kinda odd that most things in our daily life could be considered propaganda by the definition alone.
Paul fell into the trap of hopelessness. He saw the future and was trapped by it. It doesn’t help that his power base was the Fremen which despite them being portrayed as the good guys are still an incredibly brutal race of warrior fanatics. I believe there is a quote where Paul says that he can’t stop the storm of the Fremen he can only direct it. The next two books is Paul attempting to destroy his own legacy and image of Godhood. “When politics and religion ride in the same cart the whirlwind follows”
The narrator has the most calming voice I think I've heard on TH-cam.
Read the entire volumes during the late '70's💙 Love this channel
Thanks guys , another great dune lore video in the bag , very well done as always , high quality production , script and narration.
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Excellent on going study of Dune lore. As always...very well studied and narrated. Keep up the great work and wonderful things will come for you.
Always imagined Caladan more like New Zealand’s South Island, rather than Norway; nonetheless happy with Denis Villeneuve’s choice ))
Kind of makes sense the 'good' planet would resemble the Pacific Northwest, where Herbert grew up.
The Dune analysis videos just keep on coming!!! Honest comment, this have given me a completely different view on how I'm reading (currently on Children of Dune) this series. Appreciate the content
the narrator's voice is so soothing I love listening to these videos
I love how the walls inside the castle are stained from moisture, expressed in the book as the walls sweating at certain times of the year.
As always thank you so very much for the video.
Some (many) decades (70's) ago I remember "Dune" was one of the first SciFi novels I tried reading after I'd become interested in reading. I made it a few chapters in, and failed. A couple of decades later I tried again, and was thrilled almost as much by reading the whole novel, as I was by the story. And now I've (finally) got myself another copy so I can read it again. I mention this here to say thank you, as I suspect the benefit of having watched your Dune videos will make my reading experience even better. Thank you.
I would move to Caladan in a hot second.
Nerd Cookies your scripts are amazing
This likely highlights my nerd-ness, but... I've wondered how a Fremen would react, were they to find themselves on Caladan somehow. This stems from the related conversation between Paul and Chani. What sort of thoughts would run through their head? Thanks for the video.
They might have a schizophrenic break lol
Water!!!!!! Insane screaming
Frank Herbert: "If you feed the plebs, they go soft and squishy"
Also Frank Herbert: "the Emperor wanted rid of the Atreides because they were building an army that could rival the Sardaukar in prowess, if not in numbers"
Apart from the books themselves this is one of the most beautiful and informative descriptions of Caladan. Very much the way I imagined, but in more detail.
Goes to show how far humanity had fallen when “not an asshole” motivates extreme loyalty and admiration
Thank you! This is a awesome primer for Dune.
The descriptions of Caladan remind me of the Pacific Northwest, which would make sense since Frank Herbert was from Tacoma.
Awesome! Your explanations are very well done!
Excellent work Elaine and Nick. I have no idea how you find all this lore but am happy the absorb it.
Love the art work in you series Done Lore; totally awesome. [ extremely difficult not going with the pun. lol ]
Good video on Caladan and House Atreides.
The Atreides are a really good counterpoint to the loathsome Harkonnen on Giedi Prime.
Very nicely done - Thanks for this!
Well, I interpreted them more as a reflection. After all, Paul is far more brutal than his grandfather is at least in terms of the scale of brutality.
Whale fur. Please explain the whale fur trade to me. Was that just code for an exotic textile only the highest caste could afford, or was there some other subtle ecological message in there?
You are crushing it my friend!
Thank you Scott!
I always enjoy your videos about Dune, you have a beautiful voice as well.
You seem comfy on that nice sea world with lush flora... It will be really bad if someone will make you move to the sun-blasted desert...
Your videos are superb; the few videos online I can and love to watch repeatedly
Thank you so much!!! 💓
If a planet was primarily water (ie: oceans) with a few small continents its weather would be similar to the Pacific Northwest of North America or Scotland. Further it would have massive storms since most significant storms emanate over oceans where moisture is collected - think hurricanes and typhoons.
It must have had more temperate, dryer and warmer regions though if it was able to produce such great wine - assuming, of course, that the wine was made from grapes.
Everyone doing well I hope, staying focused? Another great lore from the oricle of cookies, Elaine the oricle😁
Lesson from Caladan: if you live in a nice place with an organized, uncorrupt government: steal yourself and be tough on invaders, you need to protect yourself from outsiders who will arrive to escape their dysfunctional own societies, which they won't fix themselves, they'll just arrive en masse to escape their own disaster places, while bringing their own dysfunction with them.
That is happening to the United States and Europe
@grailness1085 let's not act like the US and Europe didn't instigate much of the dysfunction of these other nations.
@@mrogun1974 Yes and now they are using immigration to create an underclass they can control with politics and use them for cheap labor while radically changing the culture
These Dune videos are always interesting to see. Thanks for the work you put into them, I hope you’re having a great day!
I like this presentation! Thanks!
Excellent Narration. Thorough description.
The question I'd like to ask is what happened to Caladan in the period between the death of Leto and the rise of Paul. Was it exploited and ruined by the Harkonnens, stewarded by the Emperor or the Landstrad or passed to another great house?
Great video. Thanks!
Love these videos.
I like all ur videos but for me, the Dune ones are so mesmerizing.
If Caladan has belonged to 26 generations of Atreides over 10,000 years, then that would mean that a "generation" is about 385 years!
Mate this channel is unreal... I just finished reading the first book after playing dune 2 on my pc when I was a kid nonstop...
I'm learning so much about the universe that I never even began to know... keep up the great content... one question, now I finished the original book are the others worth reading and what order cos I heard they are a bit trippy and don't make too much sense so ruin the original (someone's opinion to me)
Thanks again
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I recommend at least the first 3 Frank Herbert books
Fantastic video as always!!
This was good!
Might have already been posted but could you dona video on what happened on Caladan after the Death of Duke Leto? Thanks in advance.
Thanks for fixing my Dune needs while I wait for the movie.
you should do an audiobook reading of entire dune story
0:51 Duke Felix Kjellberg.
Oh I get it. Nature is mighty and keeps the balance no matter what and we should only take what is needed.
Caladan reminded me of Northern Europe.
Awesome!
Beautiful as usual
Thank you 🙂
Now that was a Nerd Cookie.... With Sprinkles.
Really enjoying dipping my toes into the Dune fandom after years of Star Wars abuse
I've not seen all your videos. What are the devices that float above the heads of the royal family and what is their purpose? They were featured in the 1984 film.
I never understood why the Atreides had to give up their planet when the received Arrakis. The Harkonnens got to keep their planets when they ruled Arrakis.
They didn't though. Lady Jessica went "back to Caladan" after Paul became the emperor making it seem that Caladan was still very much still an "Atreides" place
Caladan was placed under stewardship of Count Fenring (Kevin Andersons Mary Sue). Lady Jessica was able to go back and retake it for the Atreides because Paul WAS the emperor. I mean who was going to say “no your mom can’t go back to rule Caladan.”
Richese up soon? Always curious about their mirrors.
Awesome! Thank you!
I always wanted to try tongues of wild rabbits in a special sauce......with a side of Pundi rice myself.
I don’t understand how can caladan be the home of Atreides for more than 10000 years but only 25 generations???
Some dukes lived to be 100. The use of spice prolongs the human lifespan... for the rich.
Thank you
If it were me, I would have never ceeded the planet Calidan. I would have split my house and handed it over to a family member then take Arrakis as my own. Thus splitting and enlarging my base of power like the emperor does with his prison planet or the Baron and Arrakis before.
The Duke and his men were fools for taking to a trap unprepared and suffered the loss of two worlds for their hubris.
Losing Caladan was the price they paid for the Arrakis fiefdom. The Emperor and the Harkonnens were in cahoots to take revenge on the Atredes. Plans within plans. C'mon, man!
@@friedrudibega6384 still an easily solved problem. Marriage of Paul or other family members into another great houses would have paused all these plans within plans.
Subversion may be the theme of the Dune saga but military and political tactics are not present beyond elementary standards.
Why pay a price knowing it's a trap and knowing that your enemies did not have to pay that price. Why self isolate your whole power base and take on a forced addiction of spice knowing that you can never project power again. Nope, it was a fools gambit and the Duke lost.
@@kineticstar solid argument. The Duke could have tried something, anything, to keep Caladan but didn't. Now I have to reread the first book and I thank you for that.
Cheers!
Nice word pull,:
Adj. 1. paradisiac - relating to or befitting Paradise
My goal for the week is to use Paradisiac in a conversation :)
Looks like a nice place to visit. I guess they won't let me bring my iPhone.
So, Caladan is the Pacific Northwest if it was a planet and lacked tweakers?
I wonder what happens to Caladan after the Atreides are defeated on Arrakis. Did the Harkonnens take it over? Or did Leto leave someone behind to govern it?
Nice pics,too bad these weren't in the books.
Greetings, any new info on the actual movie? Will it be any good?!!!!
Yes. Yes. And. Yes.
I don't understand how humanity devolved to feudalism and castles lol like why castles? anybody wanna take a shot at this?
So is Caladan basically Dune’s answer to Alderaan? I like it
I believe Alderaan was based on Caladan - Star Wars was released 12 years after Dune, and was inspired by it
@@aimster9908 potato potato, they're very similar planets and I love them
What happened to Caladan after the owners were (supposedly) wiped out?
shame we didn't get to see what happened to Caladan in the movies.
Thanks Elaine. Muad'Dib said that Caladan made its people soft, that they lost their edge. Yet the Atraides army rivalled that of the Saudarkar. An incongruity. I don't agree with Herbert that a harsh environment always makes for good soldiers. This is a plot device. I'm not American, but the US is generally viewed as a 'soft', rich paradise country by much of the world. It also has the best military in the world, by most measures. Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany brutalized their soldiers, citizens and their opponents, before and during World War 2, and both were defeated. I'm guessing that Herbert partly based Salusa Secundus on Sparta of Ancient Greece, which was only powerful for roughly 2 centuries. Harsh environments can weaken and break people, not always make them stronger. I do agree with Herbert that ideology is a primary driver.
@@harrybirchall3308 I agree with everything you say. I'm Canadian (a spoiled paradise by many measures), and I can see as an outsider the pros and cons of the US. I've also visited the US many times. I've also lived in some very poor countries. The US is generally viewed, by foreigners like myself, as 'soft and rich', on a comparative basis. That's why so many people want to move to both our countries. My argument against Muad'Dib's claim is that a harsh country like Russia or China cannot compete against the US, because generally speaking, the US has rule of law and relative freedom (and is self sufficient on a food, fuel, resource basis). I'm guessing Herbert made Dune as a cypher for Saudi Arabia at the time of Mohammed, and Islam's fast early spread. The US government cannot treat its soldiers or its citizens the same way North Korea or China does. As for the murder rate in the US, that is a complicated function of the Second Amendment, and the history of slavery that they are still coming to terms with. Ultimately, Salusa Secundus did not have a Las Vegas, or a free press, an independent court system or universal suffrage, to my understanding. Canada and the US did help save Britain from Hitler, as a side note. Herbert's main thesis is that monarchy is bad. Yesterday I saw a documentary about the City of London and offshore bank havens. Now that is global legalized organized crime that benefits only the royalty and nobility of England and other ultra-rich. It is really evil and Herbert would be the first to say it should be eliminated. I'm completely in favour (Canadian spelling) of abolishing all parasitic monarchies. The British empire is alive and well, and still doing bad things. As you can see from my name, I'm about as Anglo-Saxon as it gets, and my ancestors were a nasty bunch.
_It also has the best military in the world, by most measures._
The largest and with the most extensive budget is not necessarily the best.
The US military has had serious, extensive problems for generations.
@@paulh2468 _because generally speaking, the US has rule of law_
That isn't true at all. *You have no ideas as to how extensively the rule of law has been broken in the United States.*
_that is a complicated function of the Second Amendment,_
How is that London has such a higher crime rate than many regions in the US? How has Chicago, with the most gun control legislations, the higher crime rates?
_parasitic monarchies_
Really? _Monarchies_ are what is bad in the world today?
The city of London has been one ruled by bankers rather than kings and queens for a very long time now.
Ive lived in San Francisco for a long and would that Caladan is really similar to northern California,rain goes most of the time
I imagine it exactly like the southeast Asia
I can't imagine it being like Nepal 🇳🇵, my home country cause it's landlocked and has 3 geographical types that being planes, hills, and mountains. So, well because it's a planet it's probably like the whole Earth but better.
Here is the formal ruleset governing how planets are handed out in the Dune Universe.
IF you are: The 'good guys', you get a nice, temperate idyllic world with blue skies, and clean aquamarine, clear waters, as far as the eye can see. Oh, and lush forests too. It will almost always be sunny with only a 10% chance of rain on any given day. Did I mention that? (if it does happen to rain, it will brief and the sun will come out immediately afterwards). No worries.
If you are with: The 'bad guys'. You get to rule over a featureless black marble of a world, filled with smog, Dickensian factories, lakes of toxic sludge, and environmental degradation as far as the eye can see. Oh, and its perpetually dark as well. Even at noon. And it only gets darker after that.
Did I mention that? (Because EVIL!)
IF you are kinda sorta, vaguely, goodish, or evil, or maybe a little of both, you get a.....neutralish world. While those worlds are not as bad as the Geidi Prime purgatory, it wont near as awesome as Caladan either. Being sort-of-evil, means you get a semi-menacing, but not overtly evil looking world to live on.
Right, how come at the start of the story the Harkonnens seem to control Arrakis and their home world Geidi Prime but when the Atreides take over they have to give up Caladan?
They have the resources to control more than one fiefdom. The Atreides have status but are relatively poor.
What happened to Caladan when duke leto ii died and his heir was also assumed dead?
Caladan is like Rivendell and Giedi Prime is like Mordor
Caladan would be more like Valinor.
GALADOR......~The planet Caladan is based upon.....;0
But I still don’t know what the heck whale fur is!
Ditto 😅😅😅
Me likey Dune!
Mmmm... yes me likey too
I’d live on Caladan
I don't read the book. After the death of Leto in dune. How did the people of caladan react? What happened to the political system? I'd be happy to see replies :)
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Didn't Jessica end up coming back to Caladan and dying there.
I prefer to be in Caladan over Kaitain/Giedi Prime.
So it's a planet wide New Zealand 🇳🇿
It's Earth. Just, better.
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I'll take life on Caladan any day over that meth addicts paradise of Dune!
I would live a life Worth living over a life of Tweaking Any Day!