Who Are The Mentats? | Dune Lore
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- In this video I discuss the origins of the Mentat Order and the functions they serve in the feudal interstellar society of Dune. I also talk about the different Mentats that appear in Dune as well as who we can expect to see in Denis Villeneuve's Dune movie.
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Humans in the Dune universe in a nutshell: “Robots seem sus. Let’s go back to feudal society and do drugs instead.” 😂
to be fair the dune 25,000 years in the future they had a lot more time to test pharmacueticals with more subject test data and no FDA or ethical constraints to retard progress
american libertarian conservative ideology in a nutshell. The story is good but the philosophies behind it are incredibly shallow
@@albe8479 it's basically never trust your idols
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Why do those same libertarian conservatives support politicians like Trump who massively furthered the War on Drugs and has essentially made pain medication all but impossible to get prescribed? Even people getting limbs amputated are being sent home with no medications now! The American people lost their rights to make decisions about being able to take pain meds.
They always fall for the lies.
@@keirfarnum6811 it's not the politician, it's the idea behind it that scares me. libertarian conservative concept of freedom is basically bigotry without any consequence, nuance or respect of freedom of people outside this people in-group. also no authority is good unless they allow this people to do whatever they want
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shakes, the shakes become a warning. It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion
As a coffee addict, I love this!
Very True !
I love tea!
@@genmaicha.lapsang So do I, two tea drinkers alone in a world of decaf double latte's. Now i gotta go make a cuppa.
Not to mention +2 to Intelligence & Perception, -1 to Charisma during withdrawl
I love to overdose myself for mentats when crafting shit
Worm sign
Worm attack
Harvester destroyed
Interesting factoids. When Brad Dorf was playing The Mentat Piter de Vries he was asked to come up with some sort of litany that the order would say. He was the one who authored and created the litany, it is by Will alone I set my mind in motion. Mentioning the juice of sapho.
Fun fact: A factoid is something that is in the shape of a fact, but is not actually true. It isn't a lie mind you, it just isn't a... fact :) Neat trivia though, the mantra is one of the few additions to the Lynch movie that improved on the novel :)
I wrote the litany in the comments I apologize if I spelled anything wrong ✌🏻
Brad dourif's daughter should have been cast as mentat might of been cool
@@ericaziz2288 I don't think that we need anymore gender swapping in the new Dune adaptation. Dr. Kynes is enough.
@@zemxxi2765 she actually is phenomenal. She really fits the purpose and I wasn't bothered that character was gender swapped. As an Imperial, the gender isn't important. But she really has an impact and presence. I'd say she was written better in the Villeneuve movie than the character in the original, he was good, but he was just a guy and didn't have the kind of scenes that made him memorable. With her interactions with Duncan, Paul and then how she does out calling the Maker to take out the Sadaukar when she does, it's the writing and performance that matter, not the gender.
Dune society's main pillars:
-crackhead space bus drivers
-crackhead nerds
-creepy sorority
You forgot the other pillars: the oligarchal capitalist rulers and their religiously fanatical armies.
Mentats are the makers and consumers of Mentos.
Their reaction to aspartame is remarkably like that of a lasgun on shield armor.
"It is by Freshmakers alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Mentos that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by freshness alone I set my mind in motion."
@Tom Mustard as always
@Tom Mustard That comment was better in your own head.
Don't Mention it.
Mentats are, to my mind, the most complete way to naturally imagine a Hari Seldon type of character in any science fiction I've read. Chosen as youths to see IF they can reach the abilities required for perfect recall, savant tier computations, and predictive models all within the mind.
Interesting way to see it, I agree totally.
Except that Seldon and his fellow researchers did use computing technology to develop Psychohistory and the Plan. The Second Foundation would continue this as they worked to refine and update the Plan.
read early neil asher, orson scott card for similar explorations
Actually some us today have at least some of the Mentat abilities today. I myself have a near unparalleled ability to recall almost anything I come across. I’m also very good at predictive modeling. However I lack the skills in the mathematics department. I just couldn’t wrap my mind around the numbers. See math skills actually compete with the other 2 needed for mentats
@@daniels7907 don't forget repairing The Plan after the Mule
I always liked that mantra. Its interesting how mentats can have different occupations or talents yet being generalists. Herbert makes some great points about specialists vs generalists ,
So Humanity switched from a _technocracy_ to a _transhumanist theocracy._ Fascinating stuff.
well, SuperHuman Theocracy. not "Trans-human". big difference.
@@Tommy1977777 I think it's debatable, considering Transhumanism involves augmentation of the biological human by artificial means, including gene editing and cybernetic implants. Then again, such methods might be relegated to use by the Bene Tleilax. Transhumanism also involves the ascension of Humankind into a new paradigm of existence, which the Bene Gesserit seem to be working towards with the Kwisatz Haderach prophecy.
Edit: spelling
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I think that this is what separated Dune from most other science fiction at the time and even most today.
Herbert was exploring possibilities of trans-humanism decades before it was cool. The original Dune was published in 1965 to Chapter House Dune in 1985.
As I understand it. Computers and AI more in particular, were outlawed after technology enslaved humanity.
Thus making human computers a must have item in any house of note 😉
Ya i want to really like dune...
but the whole "machine bad" thing is just the reason why "machine bad" just seems kinda dumb. I wont let it totally ruin it for me but that part is tough
probably somebody has already mentioned it, but the word "computer" was originally used to describe a PERSON adept at calculations. Only later was the word applied to DEVICES and preceded with an adjective, such as "electronic computer" to describe a machine designed for calculations. Herbert's works, in effect, reclaimed its original definition.
Computor vs computer.
I tried to explain Dune mythology to my GF, I gave up after about five minutes because I had to go off on so many tangents. I'm just going to have her watch your videos.
😆 excellent
I had the same situation with my boyfriend and it was surprising how much he actually understood
My wife got a kick out of the Lynch film, and will probably see the new one with me. Beyond that, she listens to my explanations while watching the movie, but I don't think she cares much further lol.
Nerd Cookies, you do such a clear job of explaining the subjects. Just waiting to see you and Quinn working together on something. Calm, clear, excited!
Some interesting background on the author Frank Herbert: he was a U.S. Navy veteran of ww2. He served some of his time in north africa where he likely watched the tribesman of the desert region there. It is likely the influence for his model of the Fremen. Also the degeneration of the Fremen later on likely serves to represent the slow march of time on successful civilizations.
Thank you Nerd Cookies. You are a river to your people.
My (late) father used to drill into me: “*Before* you reach for any calculator, or computer, you must *first work it out in your head!* You only use a device to *check* what you’ve already worked out!”
I still reach for calculators first.
My dad was a Mentat.
[My comment is also posted in another comment thread]
@David Olden. But the scary thing is.... what if calculators were outlawed? That's the Dune universe. Not even that innocent little device was allowed.
@@blackolantern5666 No, calculators aren’t outlawed. “Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.”
@@davidolden971 Right, ALL thinking machines were prohibited, but according to what I've read even if you possessed something as simple as a calculator.... it was instant death.
@@blackolantern5666 That’s possible. I haven’t read beyond the first 3 books + The Dune Encyclopedia (based on Herbert’s own extensive development notes).
I already know about the things you talk about. Plus, I watch Quinn's Ideas and Secrets of Dune as well. It's just really great to watch Dune content from anyone. I love your channel alongside those others
the Mentats also served as "Master of Assassins" within the various Houses.
Mentats be like:
"computers cant ever do better than humane because humane invented it"
while standing in spaceship that flies better than humane ever could.
@@getthegoods420 it wasn't that. It was based on the premise that a human was subject to morality. Whereas a computer never could be. This let itself to catastrophe.
What you said about the technology of most sci-fi being what really separated the Dune mythos really hits the spot
I am really enjoying these expanded character videos. I am re reading the original novel in preparation for the upcoming movie release, and these are the perfect companion. Thank you!
I would love to see the reverence that everyone has for Thifur’s abilities. For a character so revered and feared by all, even the emperor, we have seen so little of him in the trailers of the movie. I am worried that his roll shall not get the attention it deserves
I'm afraid we won't get enough of anything but main characters but I know not getting enough is the only way to keep it magical 🙁
All this ties back to end of the Dune original storyline when the intelligent machines return to the Dune universe.
As a teen fresh off Star Trek (pre-Next Gen), I desperately wanted to see Mentats as the Dune universe Vulcans. Seems David Lynch heard and misinterpreted my prayer...🤣 I’m not sure how extensive mental discipline promotes luxuriant eyebrow growth. Maybe that’s a side-effect of Sapho.
I enjoy your take on the the "DUNE" universe as it is in the books. My hope is that Villanueve is able to convey how the Mentats are very dangerous along with the more visceral Fremen warriors.
Yeah as a Dune newbie I can't imagine their danger. They just seem like Wikipedia
I'm digging the Vorsa BGM, its like we have the same playlist! Really good narrative explanation too!
I always enjoy it whenever you upload a new video Elaine. Keep up the great work!
Thanks Jared!
It's important to note that people turned away from thinking machines not because the machines themselves were inherently bad, but because certain people that used them had done so with malice and intent to enslave. This is important for the re-emergence of these machines later on in the series and for the progression of the philosophy that the author presents concerning technology.
Also, I think it's neat that the first mentat law was tweaked a bit and used as part of Jamis' monolog for one of Paul's visions in the new film.
Thufir Hawat was trained as a mentat-assassin. Jessica mentally noted this fact during their mild confrontation on Arrakis after the hunter seeker attempt on Paul's life.
Always a good day when I get my Dune Lore fix. Thanks NC 👍
Great video, "it is by will alone i set my mind in motion" inspired me for myself. I always liked the idea humans relying on themselves to figure things out and the real dangers of a programmed/learning AI
"Saffoil Juice?" i mean, that's not even subtle.. its the most common precursor for MDMA found in nature.. what i love most about dune is how organic and downright psychedelic it is at heart.. one would think it contradictory, the fantastical visions and dreams of our main characters.. anyone who has done DMT, or even Psilocybin and LSD, will attest, that experience is as real as anything else in our universe, maybe more so.. in any other novel it would be 'magic', but within 'Dune', the psychedlic angle further grounds the entire affair even more, it's really the only logical explanation for humanitys great steps forward in history anyways.. why are mushrooms illegal to This DAY in the USA.. oh, they're 'dangerous' all right, just not the way they tell you they are..
Mentats as presented in the Frank novels lack the all-consuming single purpose of other factions, such as the Sisterhood, Tleilaxu, and Space Guild. Peiter is described as twisted, but all Mentats are sociopaths by design; Peiter is a spy master though, and prefers to sacrifice people and use torture to achieve his goals. Always, it is efficiency first though. Thufir is exactly the same, only his preferences run in long term troop preservation and minimizing military losses. This has lead him to create a very loyal military base for Leto to use. I will need to look up this "twisted" reference though, because it goes across the grain of the Tleilaxu in general. While they are certainly immoral throughout the novels, they have a weakness of creativity: they only copy bits and pieces of people, with new variations only occurring by chance. There is an underlying flavor in the books for this, as they are always getting smaller as a race. This is a common effect when inbreeding is used over several generations. Brilliant video as always though :) I kind of hope they use that lip marking as a sort of badge, with some staining underneath, exposing the ritualistic feel of most of the Dune universe :)
Thanks for sharing all this background information, l remember seeing the original Dune film, l had read the first 4 books but there were elements of the story l didn't quite understand thanks to this video lve been able to connect the dots years later
I always viewed Robert Downey, Jr's portrayal of Sherlock Holmes as a kind of 'Mentat'
the lip stain "might" come from the shape of the container the individual is drinking the S.jucie from.
I’m pretty sure frank herbert could see the future, and he’s definitely right. I think thinking machines (AI) should definitely be overseen to the highest degree. I’m pretty sure that they have had a really smart ai for years now and they aren’t telling us. It’s probably plotting against the “disease” or humanity right now..
I could listen to any audiobook in your voice and still like the book lol
Agreed
Is it a robot doing the voice?
Good perspective on the Dunew history as always. Of cause, thinking machines definition was skirted in the Universe out of nessecity.
Your Dune lore videos sound just like Princess Irulan narrating and it's wonderful
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Love the thumbnail art. Perfectly captures how Thufir should be. An old grizzled warhorse mentat master of Assassin's. Someone who should be feared for his intellect and still a physical threat. He's never been properly portrayed before. The Howat corps were feared and respected soldiers and spies. The confrontation between Jessica and Thufir over Duncan's spying shows that he was more than just a cunning foe.
Another excellent Dune vid. Thank you, Nerd Cookies.
Awesome dive into Mentats! The sapho stain in the Denis version looks like they drink it through a straw, or did at one time if traveling in micro gravity so they may now mark or tattoo themselves in the traditional stain of their fore bearers or use the tattoo to "hide" the stain from a straw. I see it as kind of like in The Expanse how "modern" hardcore OPA Belters tattoo rings around the base of their necks to mimic the scars the old Belters (like Anderson Dawes) got from wearing ill fitting space suits.
I would just love to see their calculating nature and how they blend it with being human. It would be too easy to have another Vulcan or Commander Data doppelganger in the series, so the humanity Gilbertus showed even at the late stages of his training was pretty eye opening. I also thought it was one of the more clever and thought out story lines Brian and Kevin wrote to have the most free thinking machine in a stroke of irony create the most calculating human to pass down his machine "ancestry" where he saw and defended him as a father would a son.
I beg your pardon ~ The line "It is by will alone ~" is found in the books. Don't ask me what page but it's there. When I saw that in '84 I was delighted they'd included it. It's very like the Litany Against Fear ~ it's one of the classics. Like the diamond tattoo on Dr Yu's forehead, you'd feel short-changed if it wasn't included. In fact, I'm pretty sure it gets recited by both Thufor and Piter de Vries.
Im imagining being able to speak 5 sentences at the same time when these guys be out there rocking super speed thinking like a computer with hundreds over there thinking
Never was interested in Dune until I found out AUSTIN BUTLER will be in Dune 2 as Feyd ! Now I've got to prepare myself with reading the books and understanding the characters. Can't wait to see Dune 2 with Austin Butler!.
Be sure to see Dune part 1 first
I wonder how subtle the difference would be between normal and twisted Mentats. They ( and their clients) might be at a disadvantage if the normal Mentat could not factor in immoral or "twisted' data...so is it that they will only suggest moral solutions or strategies? Otherwise they would risk missing a lot of possible, and dangerous, scenarios. Which suggests there might not be much difference in the Mentat processing between the two...just in what is deemed acceptable output. Subtle indeed 🙂
I think I would make the distinction based on the metric that Mentats are trained with a humane underpining which lends itself toward advising against (or being disgusted by) historical tragedies such as the Holocaust or Gulags, but if a mentat sees the computation of those avenues as not only viable, but appropriate, they wash out.
@@thomasboyles9773 nod... The processing and logic are the same. There is just different " filters" on the output.
The book throws up a huge moral dilemma in that the predictions for the future of humanity all show it collapsing into extinction... except for 'the Golden Path'. The golden path, however, requires a massive restructuring of the entire population and the way of life they had become accustomed to. The protagonist must choose whether to set this in motion even though it will result in billions of deaths and a period of total control unlike any that has gone before. Would a regular Mentat even see the potential solution?
While Mentats are not usually required to deal with problems of this magnitude It is just a scaled up 'trolley problem'... They are supposed to be trained to be free from bias and prejudice and so the 'lesser of two evils' ought to be an available and ultimately logical option?. Well,.. it is only logical if the objective, extending human survival time, is clearly defined as prefered outcome!
@@GrahamMilkdrop Now that's a good point. Does that put the Atreides( Paul and Leto II) into the "twisted" Mentat category..or elevate them to "uber" my entat because of their expanded, kwisatch haderack, data set? It's definitely a trolley problem that resolved the problem by sacrificing the individual for the species survival..which is the natural evolutionary solution. Another throwback to the Butlerian Jihad maybe?
@@solospirit4212 Well, Paul pulled out and the book frames it as him not being willing to give up his humanity whereas Leto II was. I guess that means humanity as a quality is a weakness or logical deficiency..? Is it more sociopathic to choose to act in a way that allows the entire species to become extinct in order to save yourself from the judgement of others or to act in ways that will draw criticism and yet ensure its survival? It is optics, or filters, as you say.
The jihad gives rise to disgust in society in the same way that WW2 has given rise to disgust of 'final solutions'! The golden path too will give rise to disgust of tyranny. Perhaps the lesson is that it is a cyclical inevitability that humanity is doomed to experience?
Nice details, thank you for entertaining me.
The Reverend Mother's words reflect so well as a criticism of social media companies and their "technology."
From one neon sign intro user to another, don't stop doing what you're doing. The negative comments make up 0.01% of your audience, and you gotta be a sad person to even go out of your way to say something negative on TH-cam.
You and Quinn's Ideas should do a live stream on the Dune Saga.
"Formidable indeed."
Great video
My overly simplified description/explanation of what a mentat is: A really, really smart person.
Oof! What a lovely voice! That's some serious ASMR
They give a temporary bonus to Intelligents and charisma
Perfect timing.
🎶 Mentats fresh and full of life 🎶
Excellent video.
while generally I like the film to be true to the book, I do respect Villneuve's way of differentiating mentats by the mark on the lower lip. I think that a red stained mouth would make them look like a kid who drank too much Koolaid
Great work, as I have been playing catch up. I do have one question for you. What have you thought of the Brian Herbert books?
Love learning the deeper world of Dune!
"It is by will alone I set my mind in motion. It is by the juice of Sapho that thoughts acquire speed, the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning. It is by will alone I set my mind in motion."
Wonderful job....as usual.☆
Thank you Scott!
I think that red-dyed pistachios were the precursor to sappho juice.
"... the lips acquire stains, the stains become a warning."
nothing on Teg Miles? The best mentat!
Dune really should be considered a guide for how humanity should develop itself for our space faring future.
Question: Is it possible for humans to actually become Mentats like in Dune, sans the Sappho juice?
I mean, take into account all of the mental feats real humans can perform: mental math/human calculator, photographic memory, speed reading, the "Mind Palace" from the modern Sherlock Holmes series (the ability to make mindscapes within one's own imagination), Nikolai Tesla's ability to make working models of inventions in his head such that the prototypes he built worked exactly like he thought they would, the ability to run mental simulations as presented in the book "Games You Can Play in Your Head by Yourself Right Now", and even the underappreciated use of logic and critical thinking. With all of these in mind, if a person were to practice all of them in an interconnected fashion, is it possible for a human being to become a "human computer", a Mentat, like in Dune?
Bear in mind, I'm not going to count fringe abilities that are typically debunked when tested rigorously, such as ESP, precognition, and other "psychic" abilities. Nor am I including heightened intuition. These are not a part of the Mentat training in Dune and do not have the "computer like" qualities that Mentats train in. I'm asking about the possibility of Mentats, not Bene Gesserits.
Yes; it only takes lots of time. Sometimes I find myself diagnosing people based on a few specific facts. People become pretty surprised when one does that and it ends up being true. But that's 20 years of experience.
Maybe in Denis V's version, Mentats administer the sapho juice in such a manner that it leaves the mark on their bottom lip over time. Perhaps it comes from some kind of device with a rectangle-shaped mouthpiece that they rest on the bottom lip.
Thanks elaine.
I love the Mentat idea
So, do the huge fuzzy eyebrows have a real basis on the books, or were they only Lynch's aesthetic choice?
Excellent nerd cookie content.
I always thought mentats taste of tums with a slightly soured carbonated fizz aftertaste.
Moar cookies!! But not of the girl scout kind!
When I spoke to Brian Herbert with Kevin Anderson he joked about being a" Mentat".
I've really enjoyed watching Brad D. develop as an actor ever since "One Flew Over the Cooko's Nest." Yeah Billy! Loved Wormtongue, too.
That Juice Of Sapho Looked Good, Especially With Vodka
Count Fenrig was a Mentat? I know he had Bene Gesserit training, but I don't recall any mention of him being a mentat.
Bene Gesserits ARE mentats, if I'm not mistaken
I set my mind in motion to become a navigator to fold space and time
Mentats are to Dune what the Maesters are to Game of Thrones.
Nerd Cookies for life.
In the Fallout universe, the pills you can use to enhance your intelligence are named Mentats in reference to them.
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻Gratitude
Nobody:
Mentats: “yeah, this is big brain time”.
It is by will alone I set my mind in motion...
Brilliant !!!!!!!!!!!!
I think somebody should do a video on the various religions blended together in Dune. Zen-Suni, Bene-Gesserit, Latin for doing good, as part of Roman Catholicism. the promise of a Messiah, all the Arab/Muslim influences in the Fremen. and their control of Spice/Oil.
Currently I am watching this on an android phone. The enslavement of humans by machines is a possibility for sure.
Ahhhh fresh baked COOKIES!!!!
"Know a Mentat by his red-stained lips."
This ladies voice sounds like the one from "Universe Inside You"
Im new too dune but what i got soo far is Ai got too powerful and decided humans are inefficient. Humans fought back and almost lost so they banned Ai. Humans went on to modify dna or use drugs from alien planets that enchance human abilitys. Spice is one of those drugs its needed for space travel and enchaces human ability. Dune has the potential to be bigger than game of thrones for legendary and hbo. The source material is deep and riveting love it
I wonder what would happen if... a Borg Cube fleet, or a Cylon Fleet with a Resserection ship in it suddenly appeared in this universe? ;-)
hopefully they pay care and design the lip stain to have been 'guided' by some kind of cosmetic trick, and maybe it just gets wider and covert he whole lip from the middle the older they get or something. the studio has to be kept to task on all things large and small. Dune is a CAUTIONARY TALE so .. Beware !;)
There are actually genuine mentats who were members of an ancient learning fellowship. THE name of this ancient organization is lost to time, but some of the ideas and philosophies remain and are reminiscent what we now call symbolic logic. It's fascinating that very early civilizations had members that realized the importance of correct thinking and developing practical methods and guidelines for avoiding faulty thinking. One then observes that, at this juncture, it is likely that notions of logic began to coalesce in the minds of early thinkers. An example would be the following syllogism: If A gives rise to B, and B gives rise to C, then it follows that A gives rise to C. The customary name for this syllogism is modens ponens. As mankind progressed, remarkable advances were made in mathematical logic with Godel's Incompleteness Theorem shaking the foundations of mathematics. One remarkable corollary of this Theorem is that no mathematical axiomatic system which generates basic arithmetic can be proven consistent within that system. I have simplified a couple hypotheses to avoid technical details, however, the spirit of the theorem remains intact. I'll close by explaining why this theorem profoundly impacted the foundations of math. A system is CONSISTENT if it is impossible to obtain a statement that is true and whose negation is also true. This would be tantamount to asserting: it IS raining and it is NOT raining, simultaneously. Clearly, this is nonsense, and naturally we do not want to use an axiomatic system of arithmetic that generates contradictions. Unfortunately, Godel showed with few assumptions, that IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE THE CONSISTENCY OF ANY AXIOMATIC SYSTEM THAT IS ROBUST ENOUGH TO CONTAIN BASIC ARITHMETIC! Essentially, it follows that Set Theory which is the foundation of modern mathematics could be INCONSISTENT. We mathematicians, however, have faith in the consistency of Axiomatic Set Theory despite being unable to prove it. It sounds as though Math is a religion, and I AM A BELIEVER!!
Well done... for a mentat.
I would like to think that I would have been a mentat in house Atreides due to being a data analyst as my profession 😉
I was 11 when the Lynch film was released. The following summer it was on cable all the time. I enjoyed it, and in a couple years read the novel. I did not fully understand what and why Mentants were. Now that I do, the anticipation of seeing the new movie has been satiated by your lore videos. I would not mind seeing any subtle nods to Lynch's film in the new one concerning the Mentats. However, I want nothing of Lynch's changes to the Harkkonens in it. Those heart plugs freaked me out as a kid, and still hate that change from the book till this day!
Agreed, many elements from Lynch's Dune continue to freak me out.
I am a wee bit older, followed the same path of Movie, two years, read novel. The repugnant nature of the Baron is terrible in Lynch's movie, and Denis seems on track to repeat the mistake IMO. The Baron was ruthless and was obsessed with teenage boys, but I think the weirding way corruption is my greatest dislike from the Lynch movie. I really do not think of the movie and the novel as the same story though, just two stories with the same names in the story :)
I think those heartplugs were a directors invention, can't remember them from the book. Lynch went out of his way to make the Harkonens extra repulsive with petty scenes of Harkonnen children prodding a cow hung upside down with electric prods.
What?! You didn’t think that milking cats was genius?! 😆
Gilbertus Albans, the first jedi. True.
Interstellar travel and communication, cloning and all manner of far flung technology some with video screens no less, but not a single digital transistor in use. Seems legit.
If you think of it: A mentat is just a savant.
Mentats: The Kingmaker. (Do do do dooo doup doaaaaa~)