Kinda makes sense. She's still working on becoming more emotionally open and honest with people. Getting drugged by nitrous oxide people lowered quite a few barriers for her, and Mariner's just recently developing into someone that doesn't try to slam those barriers back up.
I loved mariner in that scene was so cute, my fav has to be marliner, I like them all but if I had to rate my favs in order it would be: 1: mariner, 2: tendi, 3: dr t’ana, 4: rulefered, 5: the captain of cellitos, 6: ransom I could kick him in his ego budge part lol he so flipping anoying and bully’s mariner try’s to change her but I hope they don’t I love her attitude she loves her mum try’s to get her mums attention all the time gives the wrong impression to them but really she whants to be noticed and close to her mum, I love these episode for how much it is straight for award straight to the point and down to earth nature wise they don’t mince there words, it’s like they make there own script up lol, it’s like they love what they do they put a lot of effort in it and are them selfs, I mean there acting is got there got actors but I think they just being themself they know there doing there acting job but they prob think why fake it make the fiction seem real just be yourself in othere charicters body’s, I think that’s what makes shows liked I think that’s why these episodes are likes, because it’s not like othere shows where ok I know it’s not real but they don’t act like they going by the scripts they’re acting like it was real alo they know the difference if you get what I mean, kind of like a fictional reality show, I think that’s what makes tv watchable, remember t`lene on the Vulcan ship remember the one on one of the Star Trek episodes I can’t remember which one where spoke mind melds with the female Vulcan and that female Vulcan gets arrested? I bet you that female Vulcan was t`len from this show lower decks.
Anyone else get how Mariners "egg experience" related to her character as a whole? She didn't want to be hatched, she wanted to stay where was safe and comfortable. And she got angry and resented the people who were trying to move on around her. That's exactly how she treats her starfleet "career"
Nice! I also wonder with how Mariner, and Boimler perceive each other. Boimler being some kind of a spikey urchin that mariner is still too afraid to get close to while she keeps people at reach with her long arms that ultimately get her into more trouble than it's worth with her being all wrapped up in her own preconceived notions because of her own problems.
Tendi is beast when the situation calls for it. I loved her kicking Bradworth in the ass and spanking Mariner with a stick to save them. She is the Mistress of the Winter Constellation.
I unapologetically love Lt. Kayshon. Dude's a badass, a shameless flirt, AND likes to cultivate what I assume are his species' version of roses? A true Renaissance Man!
I'm glad she's with Jenn. She seems like the type of girlfriend who would be really sensitive to a closed-off partner's hidden emotional vulnerabilities...
@@Robert-hz9bj Yeah, I think it's important that she can find someone with whom she can be emotionally intimate with, rather than being able to bury her issues under constant adventure and hijinks. I think Mariner's past history of apparently dating bad boy, bad girls, bad so-ons...was as much about being in relationships that never left her time to feel her emotions, as it was about pissing off her mom.
When are her friends ever in their right minds? Sam's cyborg brain was reprogrammed by a Section 31 conspiracy, Mariner spent her whole adult life running from responsibility, and what little good sense Boimler has is frequently overridden by his enthusiasm.
From what I can tell his species mostly speaks in proverbs so I’m going to guess they have a proverb about someone making the mistake of taking a mistress who ends up slitting their throat?
People who are stoned are usually avoiding real intimacy by replacing it with a 'shared' individual experience. Little sex involved unless they can convince each other they have enough in common afterwards.
"Grambel, his throat slit by his mistress" has to be my new favourite Tamarian phrase. I SO want to know the story behind it. Did Grambel do an oops that lead his mistress to slit his throat? Is the throat slitting the oops? I have questions dammit! 🤔
Probably something like: "Once, there was a jerk named Grambel who loved to sleep around on his wife. His wife, being the eldest daughter of an allied clan, was a powerful and jealous woman. Grambel was thus forced to move his mistress into a secluded cave in the mountains and arm her for her own safety. "His wife quickly caught on, of course, and stationed guards at the city gates to keep Grambel from leaving. Cunning Grambel managed to disguise himself and slip past. But so complete was his disguise that, when he arrived at the cave, his mistress confused him for an attacker and killed him." The story thus can mean both "oops, made a mistake" or "congratulations, you played yourself," depending on context.
@@DisgruntledDoomer ... you complain about trippyness to somebody poison with the hallucinogenic effects of nitrous oxide? Wow, you are by far and in a way, a whiny hypocrite.
@@RADBOWEN2006 when drinking a cocktail called an Orion Hurricane in the crossover episode, the crew of Strange New Worlds appeared as cartoons and spock got his arms all stretched out.
@@dean4800 no they actually write the show, then draw the storyboards, which provide a rough outline of what it will look like, then they record the voices, sometimes to an animatic, which is composed of the storyboards, then animate the show, then do voice ADR sessions to add and change some stuff
the egg thing is yet one more tip on all of mariner's issues that make her toxic and will have to be adressed already that it took 2 seasons and stealing the ceritos for freeman to get a clue on nepotism bad
Mariner's character arc is well done. People don't always grow at the speed you may want them to, and growth is not always linear. That's something I like about the show.
@@stevetheduck1425 Call me old-fashioned: but reefer is still abby-normial. Walking past someone indulging in Space Reefer in the park, gives me a splitting headache.😶🌫
After the latest Strange New Worlds X Lower Decks episode came out, we now know Mariner (and Boimler probably) might drunk with Orion's liquor all the time before breathing these gas Right now I'm super worried about their health condition with so many stronge drug & drink trip they been pumped themselves
@@ONTOE0 *(& @Juan Rubio) ~* As [@ONTOE0] correctly pointed out, Lieutenant Kayshon is a *_Tamarian,_* whose race was introduced in *[TNG 5x02 - "Darmok"].* Tamarian language is based upon *_Metaphor,_* rather than direct Linguistics. So as a result, while the Universal Translator can (easily) translate Tamarian words, it canNOT provide the meaning(s) behind those words. Fortunately for the Federation, after many years of *_VERY_* patient contact (on the Tamarians' part) with the Federation, the Tamarians have (mostly) learned to communicate as most Federation races do; however, this takes a considerable mental effort on the part of Tamarians.
Technically what he says already is being translated into words that can be understood, but without cultural context the meaning of the sentences is completely lost. On their planet it makes perfect sense, but as the spread out it’d be like trying to communicate exclusively in inside jokes you can’t provide the context for. They’ve made some headway diplomatically but understanding their language would be a combination of linguistics and history
@@PetersaberHD Yes. This show is worse than everything that came before it. As bad as those things were, though the DS9 baseball tournament was fine; none of them were the series. Like i said though, at this point, Trek doesn't have a good name to besmirch. Anything good that was left of Trek was destroyed with STD and Picard.
@@frostmagemarii Strange New Worlds is pretty awesome. Oh well, you're delusional. I've heard identical complaints when Enterprise came out, too, and now it's considered a classic. And when Voyager came out (I'm old) as well. Nobody hates Star Trek as Star Trek fans, I guess.
@@PetersaberHD Haven't watched Strange New Worlds. The last near decade of Trek has turned me off watching anything more; I'm tired of giving the franchise chances. And the only complaints you heard when Enterprise came out was how it put in a 9/11 like event too soon after the actual event and the arc that resulted from it. The majority of people enjoyed everything that wasn't the Zindi arc. But yes, gloss over the WHY people complained. "Nobody hates Star Trek as Star Trek fans, I guess." Its amazing that when you enjoy something, you start to develop standards. It must be nice not having any. Consume product, then get excited to consume more product!
@@frostmagemarii I'm sorry, we can never go back to the glory days of the Sex Ghost episode of TNG, or the supremely racist season 1 episode of TNG, or that time Picard turned into a little annoying brat.
“Tendi, beneath the hydroponics bay.” - Refers to someone carrying the whole team through a dangerous situation.
It sure does _now._
I love that they use the speaking in parables language.
Kayshon approves
'Boimler and Mariner, their eyes opened!'
@@stevetheduck1425 being stoned out of your mind?
Mariner looked so emotional about staying in the egg.
It was so warm in there xD
Fig Mali at say I do t want to hatch or I don’t a hat? I could not make that out to me that line sounded kind of slurry.
I don't blame her
Kinda makes sense.
She's still working on becoming more emotionally open and honest with people. Getting drugged by nitrous oxide people lowered quite a few barriers for her, and Mariner's just recently developing into someone that doesn't try to slam those barriers back up.
I loved mariner in that scene was so cute, my fav has to be marliner, I like them all but if I had to rate my favs in order it would be: 1: mariner, 2: tendi, 3: dr t’ana, 4: rulefered, 5: the captain of cellitos, 6: ransom I could kick him in his ego budge part lol he so flipping anoying and bully’s mariner try’s to change her but I hope they don’t I love her attitude she loves her mum try’s to get her mums attention all the time gives the wrong impression to them but really she whants to be noticed and close to her mum, I love these episode for how much it is straight for award straight to the point and down to earth nature wise they don’t mince there words, it’s like they make there own script up lol, it’s like they love what they do they put a lot of effort in it and are them selfs, I mean there acting is got there got actors but I think they just being themself they know there doing there acting job but they prob think why fake it make the fiction seem real just be yourself in othere charicters body’s, I think that’s what makes shows liked I think that’s why these episodes are likes, because it’s not like othere shows where ok I know it’s not real but they don’t act like they going by the scripts they’re acting like it was real alo they know the difference if you get what I mean, kind of like a fictional reality show, I think that’s what makes tv watchable, remember t`lene on the Vulcan ship remember the one on one of the Star Trek episodes I can’t remember which one where spoke mind melds with the female Vulcan and that female Vulcan gets arrested? I bet you that female Vulcan was t`len from this show lower decks.
Anyone else get how Mariners "egg experience" related to her character as a whole?
She didn't want to be hatched, she wanted to stay where was safe and comfortable. And she got angry and resented the people who were trying to move on around her.
That's exactly how she treats her starfleet "career"
Nice! I also wonder with how Mariner, and Boimler perceive each other. Boimler being some kind of a spikey urchin that mariner is still too afraid to get close to while she keeps people at reach with her long arms that ultimately get her into more trouble than it's worth with her being all wrapped up in her own preconceived notions because of her own problems.
Fridge Brilliance!
@@seanhogan91 Wow, that's really insightful! Fantastic analysis. No joke, I think you got it.
@@irregularassassin6380 Cheers! Can't wait for more episodes :D
@@seanhogan91 Me neither! I'm looking forward to the Strange New Worlds/Lower Decks crossover! I can't wait!
Find it hilarious how Tendi just manhandle Boimler while she had to cattle Mariner into the next tunnel!
Boimler is lighter and easier to handle
boimler doesnt look to be that heavy, mariner, however, regularly trains in martial arts. muscle mass is mass
Well he is 61kg
Thats 135 Pounds for those american type HOLY SHIT BOIMLERS A TWIG
Mariner or Ransom better make him start doing magor wight lifting god dam
Tendi is beast when the situation calls for it. I loved her kicking Bradworth in the ass and spanking Mariner with a stick to save them. She is the Mistress of the Winter Constellation.
I unapologetically love Lt. Kayshon. Dude's a badass, a shameless flirt, AND likes to cultivate what I assume are his species' version of roses? A true Renaissance Man!
I wish they used him more often but guess its hard to come out with funny things with him compared with the otter dummies on the bridge
Kaidor when he molded the sacred jars in the mountain
@@rommdan2716 Merilith, sparkling in the dawn’s first light
Yes, though I'd also like to see more Shax as well. Lower Decks has the most wholesome Security team
yea those guys are cool
The Doopler Skeleton in the Roots. Guess they got everywhere 😅
didn't even notice the skeleton
THAT'S WHAT THAT IS!???? Damn 🤣🤣🤣
I never noticed that 😂
I just noticed it, kudos for the spy eye!
I noticed the skeleton, but didn't realize it was a Doopler, thanks for clearing that up
That egg moment says alot about Mariner 😢
I'm glad she's with Jenn. She seems like the type of girlfriend who would be really sensitive to a closed-off partner's hidden emotional vulnerabilities...
@@Robert-hz9bj Yeah, I think it's important that she can find someone with whom she can be emotionally intimate with, rather than being able to bury her issues under constant adventure and hijinks. I think Mariner's past history of apparently dating bad boy, bad girls, bad so-ons...was as much about being in relationships that never left her time to feel her emotions, as it was about pissing off her mom.
😒
@@dungeonguy88 I'm going to use that 'bad so-ons' or 'bad so-forths' (for the Brit in me) from now on.
@@stevetheduck1425 I never post anything that I'm uncomfortable with others using.
Have at it.
I love how tendi is stepping up more these days when the crew is her friends aren't in their right minds.
Science officer initiative.
@@gaggle64 Yeah, I find it amazing that Dr. Migleemo actually gave her some good advice as part of his mentorship.
It seems to happen alarmingly often. Another day in Starfleet.
@@gaggle64 Love how she is technically the spock on this show: cool headed and logical, despite the high emotion.
When are her friends ever in their right minds?
Sam's cyborg brain was reprogrammed by a Section 31 conspiracy, Mariner spent her whole adult life running from responsibility, and what little good sense Boimler has is frequently overridden by his enthusiasm.
“His throat slit by his mistress”. I really want to know how that metaphor came to be. Especially when he used it to describe cutting a leaf.
And by his expression, I interpret it was accidental or imprecise, which asks the question how well the throat slit was done.
*@Vegadra ~* My interpretation of Lt. Kayshon's comment would be that Kayshon is simply enjoying trimming/pruning the garden.
@@pendrake40 the way I read his expression, with his eyes looking to the side, like "Oops, I just made a goof."
@@lemmingrad I guess that means the mistress was fighting with the wife and accidentally cut the two timer by mistake.
From what I can tell his species mostly speaks in proverbs so I’m going to guess they have a proverb about someone making the mistake of taking a mistress who ends up slitting their throat?
I Love Boimler's expression when he says "maze" at 1:34
I love the way he says Maaaze 😂
Maybe he saw a cornfield and meant "maize"! LOL
It reminds me of Rick and Morty. But it's really funny.
Obey the Mistress of the Winter Constellations!
Tendi's Orion Bondage skills came in handy.
2:06 Mariner: It's okay; it was just so warm in there.
*I love there's SO much to unpack in those like 15 seconds*
I want life to apologise to me for making me hatch.
0:20 is that a dead Doopler in the vines at the bottom? Guess they didn't insult all of them.
I noticed that to
Just got that, its so good
Love that Kayshon uses his Tamarian Dagger for his gardening
I like to think on there home world daggers were used for gardening like how ninjas or samurai wepons were gurdining tools
@@cursedcanine8414 I love it
Tendi saved her friends by beating them with a stick until they moved to safety. She is dangerous without even trying to be.
I am trapped inside of an egg!
You stay here and feed the rabbits!
Its warm in here
I'm sorry I made you hatch.
Kayshon is easily my favourite side character, he's so cool but also adorable.
Love the expression Boimler pulls when he says Maze, really shows how off his head he is 😁😁😁
Its the way he says it too totally off his fucking face 😂
I feel complete after seeing Mariner and Boimler High on Fumes with silly faces while saying WTF things. 😂
Nitrous oxide mixed with some LSD perhaps 🤣
The facts they managed to get stoned and not have sex while stoned just says they are real friends
They weren't stoned for very long, and it didn't seem to be that concentrated, wore off almost immediately as soon as Tendi got them out of there.
Um…is that common? I just want to be in my own zone when I’m stoned. Doing anything else is just…work
Probably the one thing in LD least true to Gene's Vision.
People who are stoned are usually avoiding real intimacy by replacing it with a 'shared' individual experience.
Little sex involved unless they can convince each other they have enough in common afterwards.
@@mudshovel289Yeah but this is Trek. People will find any excuse to bang
Boy never thought I see someone amused at depleting oxygen levels. Even if they were high on fumes.
Not even the first time. Don't forget the Jeffreys Tube in "We'll Always Have (Tom) Paris"
00:19 Duplicator skeleton in the roots. Must've got trapped before reabsorbtion into main dupe, lol.
"Grambel, his throat slit by his mistress" has to be my new favourite Tamarian phrase.
I SO want to know the story behind it. Did Grambel do an oops that lead his mistress to slit his throat? Is the throat slitting the oops?
I have questions dammit! 🤔
Probably something like: "Once, there was a jerk named Grambel who loved to sleep around on his wife. His wife, being the eldest daughter of an allied clan, was a powerful and jealous woman. Grambel was thus forced to move his mistress into a secluded cave in the mountains and arm her for her own safety.
"His wife quickly caught on, of course, and stationed guards at the city gates to keep Grambel from leaving. Cunning Grambel managed to disguise himself and slip past. But so complete was his disguise that, when he arrived at the cave, his mistress confused him for an attacker and killed him." The story thus can mean both "oops, made a mistake" or "congratulations, you played yourself," depending on context.
@@Brasswatchman I like that 🤣 Good work!
1:47 1:48 bro the goofy face mariner is making reminds me so much of that frog meme!🤣🤣🤣😂
1:00 hey mariner u got cute eyes......🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I like Tendi can be agro when she needs to
Dr. T'Ana was right. It was an important skill for her to learn.
I want to see an entire episode like this!!
Gramble, his throat slit by his mistress. They give Kayshon's language... liberties
They're expanding the lexicon! And I, for one, am here for it.
I lost it at Tendi turning into a starfish butterfly. _"we have to get out of here!"_ 💀
Man they would've died if tendi wasn't immune to that to a certain level lol
I'm surprised Mariner didn't know exactly what those flowers were already. Seems kinda like her jam.
Yeah, and Newsome voices her really weirdly here, too... so blandly, and with zero "trippyness". Could have been a way funnier scene otherwise.
@@DisgruntledDoomer ... you complain about trippyness to somebody poison with the hallucinogenic effects of nitrous oxide? Wow, you are by far and in a way, a whiny hypocrite.
She’s an alcoholic, not a junkie.
0:19 Is that a corpse?
EDIT: I think it's one of the duplicating guys.
They really should’ve had some kind of gas mask on hand
"mAZe"
Least it wasn't the polywater intoxication.
Now that I think about it, there's probably a good portion of the crew that went through the same holopod drill in Season 2.
what's polywater intoxication? someone please tell me.
@@RADBOWEN2006 something that lowers or outright eliminates your inhibitions
@0:40 when the walls fell.
Ha ha ha this was too funny.
also now known as the Orion Hurricane effect
what's the Orion Hurricane effect? someone please tell me.
@@RADBOWEN2006 when drinking a cocktail called an Orion Hurricane in the crossover episode, the crew of Strange New Worlds appeared as cartoons and spock got his arms all stretched out.
2:04 awww 🥺
1:14 - The Best Part.
Who’s skeleton is that at 0:20?
Sort of looks like one of the dooper clones? the outfit doesnt seem like starfleet.
you saw the body too?
Memory Alpha confirms that to be a Doopler clone that got trapped in the roots and never got out.
😂 24th century Acid trip!
I bet a lot of people were really envious of Mariner around the 1:50 mark.
Anyone else suspect the dialog when they were high was improvised?
No. The animation made up first, then the voice added right after, it is possible the dialog is fixed to matched the mouth movement.
@@dean4800 no they actually write the show, then draw the storyboards, which provide a rough outline of what it will look like, then they record the voices, sometimes to an animatic, which is composed of the storyboards, then animate the show, then do voice ADR sessions to add and change some stuff
wow does Tendy looks lovely or cute as a butterfly 🥰🥰🥰🥰💗💗💗💗💓💓💓💓 1:23
I believe you would call this ridonkulously high.
that dead ... person... in the roots
1:50 GAS-POWERED STICK
Does anyone else see the skeleton at 0:20 ?
Well, apparently they missed one Doopler to insult. Shit happens.
the egg thing is yet one more tip on all of mariner's issues that make her toxic and will have to be adressed
already that it took 2 seasons and stealing the ceritos for freeman to get a clue on nepotism bad
Mariner's character arc is well done. People don't always grow at the speed you may want them to, and growth is not always linear. That's something I like about the show.
Maybe its just me, but the ship in the lower atmosphere of the frame at 0:03 resembles the Galactica...
It's an Andorian Cruiser. Seen in Star Trek Enterprise with Shran commanding one.
at 0:20 there is a doopler skeleton visible at the base of the roots.
They ain’t high they are trippen
So is it just Nitrous Oxide or are Orion immune to all Hallucinogenics? Dang talk about missing out.
0:20 Wait a sec, is that a corpse?! (Centre frame, bottom of the roots)
Yes... it appears that not all of the Doopler's got out of the ship 😂 Which is not that surprising considering that there were like hundreds of them 🤣
They should've played The White Room by Cream instead of the sitar music during the hallucination part.
I would love to know what the actors and actresses if they watch the show stars trek lower decks what the think of them selfs as the charicters?
There was a skeleton in that swamp room, was that a decoration or did a crew member die in there and get left forgotten?
1:38 So cozy, right?
Space Reefer: Who woulda thought? it possible. The writers and execs of the show behind closed doors, maybe experimenting a bit?
It's become normal in games recently, the Far Cry series, Skyrim, others. So why not normalise it on vid?
@@stevetheduck1425 Call me old-fashioned: but reefer is still abby-normial. Walking past someone indulging in Space Reefer in the park, gives me a splitting headache.😶🌫
Anyone notice the body when they entered the swamp. Just under the roots?
That is a skeleton of the doopler ambassador or at least one of his duplicated bodies.
@@Ty-ie2mi He would be so embarassed if he ever finds out
I wish you could share hallucinations
Did Tendi pop Mariners egg
Imagine if they got Keiko there.
I wonder if being in an egg is as cozy as being under sheets?
I seen a work in progress R-34 adult comic of the crew of Star Trek - Lower Decks doing bath salts. Looks promising.
Oh dear.
(R-34=Rule 34)
@@WysterzStudiozThe R-34 was an airship, but Rule 34 is ideed what you suggest.
Did the rabbits get fed in the end?
After the latest Strange New Worlds X Lower Decks episode came out, we now know Mariner (and Boimler probably) might drunk with Orion's liquor all the time before breathing these gas
Right now I'm super worried about their health condition with so many stronge drug & drink trip they been pumped themselves
They didn’t even have to become funny to make it believable they were high and smiling daaaam
Nika: i real love her but she doesn’t know what she’s doing to her face? or what she’s saying? what is that over here?
1:40 oh you quit crying of not hatching sweety.
Are we gonna ignore that there's a dead person in the swamp?
Its one of the doplers from the episode were the ship was flouded with them he problaby got high and died
Wait. Was Gramble's throat accidently slit by his mistress?
His dialect doesn’t translate well. The running joke is him talking gibberish
I think so, given the context. I theorize that the phrase can mean either "oops, a mistake" or "congratulations, you played yourself."
I got sexually arroused when Tendi was whip slapping mariner around. Is it normal to be arroused by cartoon? Happens all the time in Japan.
Why doesn't that guy use a translator, it's both unprofessional and impractical for him not to use one.
From what I understand his peoples language is purely metaphorical and the translator doesn’t work right on it.
@@ONTOE0 *(& @Juan Rubio) ~* As [@ONTOE0] correctly pointed out, Lieutenant Kayshon is a *_Tamarian,_* whose race was introduced in *[TNG 5x02 - "Darmok"].* Tamarian language is based upon *_Metaphor,_* rather than direct Linguistics. So as a result, while the Universal Translator can (easily) translate Tamarian words, it canNOT provide the meaning(s) behind those words.
Fortunately for the Federation, after many years of *_VERY_* patient contact (on the Tamarians' part) with the Federation, the Tamarians have (mostly) learned to communicate as most Federation races do; however, this takes a considerable mental effort on the part of Tamarians.
it is said during series that the translator doesn't work right for him
Technically what he says already is being translated into words that can be understood, but without cultural context the meaning of the sentences is completely lost. On their planet it makes perfect sense, but as the spread out it’d be like trying to communicate exclusively in inside jokes you can’t provide the context for. They’ve made some headway diplomatically but understanding their language would be a combination of linguistics and history
It's like only talking with meme.
I'm glad Star Trek doesn't have a good name to besmirch any longer...
Is this somehow worse than Voyager dinosaurs or salamander sex? DS9's wartime baseball tournament? TNG's 2D aliens? TOS's sexcapades?
@@PetersaberHD Yes. This show is worse than everything that came before it. As bad as those things were, though the DS9 baseball tournament was fine; none of them were the series.
Like i said though, at this point, Trek doesn't have a good name to besmirch. Anything good that was left of Trek was destroyed with STD and Picard.
@@frostmagemarii Strange New Worlds is pretty awesome. Oh well, you're delusional. I've heard identical complaints when Enterprise came out, too, and now it's considered a classic. And when Voyager came out (I'm old) as well.
Nobody hates Star Trek as Star Trek fans, I guess.
@@PetersaberHD Haven't watched Strange New Worlds. The last near decade of Trek has turned me off watching anything more; I'm tired of giving the franchise chances.
And the only complaints you heard when Enterprise came out was how it put in a 9/11 like event too soon after the actual event and the arc that resulted from it. The majority of people enjoyed everything that wasn't the Zindi arc. But yes, gloss over the WHY people complained.
"Nobody hates Star Trek as Star Trek fans, I guess."
Its amazing that when you enjoy something, you start to develop standards. It must be nice not having any.
Consume product, then get excited to consume more product!
@@frostmagemarii I'm sorry, we can never go back to the glory days of the Sex Ghost episode of TNG, or the supremely racist season 1 episode of TNG, or that time Picard turned into a little annoying brat.