I remember when skillcapped made a similar video where Darius and Illaoi actually flourished winratewise in low elo while struggling in high elo. How the times change 😂
I think the average skill level has gone up a lot since then. The other video was about punishing low elo Darius mistakes and this one is about Darius punishing mistakes. In the old video Darius just ran at Urgot like he was Thanos and Urgot ran away despite winning if he just went in with E. In both of the current examples Darius respected or dodged Urgot E. There was real competence in the video. I was actually really surprised when the gold Darius dodged Urgot E.
I think it's more nuanced than that, in that metas have shifted a lot since then. Darius is ok right now because of the Stridebreaker buffs, but he scales terribly so if he can't get ahead enough in lane he just falls off a cliff mid to late game. Even in traditional matchups he wins hard vs like Garen, Garen just outscales Darius hard while also being a lot easier to execute. Darius isn't very easy to play, it's too simplistic to claim that you just ghost/flash and run opponents down, since he thrives off winning early skirmishes but doesn't contribute nearly as much in a team fight like Garen, Renekton or your average top lane tank, since Darius lacks hard CC, is more susceptible to being CC'd (Garen's silence is stronger than Darius pulling someone to him and has inbuilt tenacity in his kit while also running Phase Rush) and doesn't do as much damage compared to other top laners in mid to late game. So knowing how to close out games with Darius is pivotal but Riot has made a lot of changes that emphasizes team fighting more and in general drags out the game length. None of these changes benefit Darius. Low elo doesn't know how to close out games and I often see Darius players being very lost after the laning phase has ended. There's a lot of poor macro knowledge from your average top laner on how to for example extend your lead that high elo players don't struggle nearly as much with. So it's more that the game has changed a lot since the last video. Darius isn't even that great right now and is only relevant because Stridebreaker is so strong. Because if you look at the stats, all Stridebreaker top laners are doing good right now.
@Kamishi845 darius scaling terribly is just really bad understanding of the champion. Ur saying that a champ that gets 100-200 free ad from stacking passive, gets FREE 35% ARMOR PEN ON HIS E PASSIVE, is INSANELY TANKY bc he doesnt need to build a lot of offensive items, and usually maxes out movespeed + has ghost bc he doesnt need to take tp is a champ that gets outscaled? stop tripping.
@king_kunta_0 The issue on Darius isn't that his numbers aren't good it's that he has nothing to do with them. He has no tools to favorably start a fight outside of just running at them and hoping he can pull 1 person thats caught looking at their second monitor. It's not like sett who has a free engage tool, not mobile like camille, or strong like ksante who has enough cc to isolate or lock down a target. Darius just runs at you. In late game full build scenarios Darius is a spectator to fights that can be determined in 4 seconds, he requires set up on a champion that only has 1 survivability tool. If you get too caught up in the numbers you won't realise he's entirely reliant on someone just running into his loving arms to do anything.
This is why the way of people looking at my main man Darius changed people aknowledge that you need to know how to play the game to use Darius properly not to long ago people would just say a broken easy champ for example Garen also is getting different opinions from most people now aswell
Yeah I mean this has nothing to do with Darius and all about the person piloting him, Darius needs to snowball in lane and take skirmishes but low elo players don’t know what champions do so they can’t play towards it
I just dont understand I play darius a ton, im emerald, I abuse his early always get fed, and get perma kited in teamfight, how does he have 51% wr in master wtf... legit big canon creep in late game teamfights.
darius being an easy champ is a myth . youd think hed be similar to garen and a beginners champ since they are often seen together. but instead plays more as a burst fighter thats not tanky almost like riven. i remember first starting i would always think why i couldnt be good at this "low elo, easy, op, tank" champ. i also think people use lane bully/op and easy/low elo interchangeably but those things really dont correlate with another zed is an oppressive strong laner but no one calls him easy.
he is mechanically easy, but you need some game knowledge to play him successfully. like knowing when is a good time to trade, all-in, etc. people often confuse mechanics and game knowledge when talking about a champion being easy or hard
@@cruszs yeah i know, I'm just saying there is a difference between mechanical difficulty and knowledge requirement of a champion, which isn't explained to new players, who may first try playing a champ who is considered "easy" and not succeed due to lack of knowledge. which can make them think that said champion isn't easy and "it's a myth"
kind of the same concept. Ksante can 1v2 if played properly, can be a massive lane bully, can setup dives and has good gank setup. but for all this you not only need to play him well but also know matchups and fundamentals as shown in the video, which leads to ksante having a much higher winrate if played properly than if he is not.
ye most of them just see the gank and forget what happened in the last 4min before that gank happened where darius played the matchup as wrong as he couldve xd
4:50 wouldn’t it be good for Darius to fast push under tower so he can recall and reset the waves making it so he and urgot lose equal amounts instead of his wave pushing and forcing him to walk up while on 40% hp?
The problem is that if your wave is too small, Urgot can easily just bully you off the wave. That's why he needed to push it slower, because he needs time to stack up a big wave where Urgot can't pressure him anymore.
1 wave which isnt even a cannon wave can easily be shoved in by urgot early on, since darius had no tp he would lose the next wave and the wave would be in the same spot as before. In any case he lost his lane way earlier in this example so this are just the symptoms of it. It should never be this way in a darius v urgot lane anyway since darius didnt used his early game strength for winning trade instead even losing them and giving up the push, when toplane literally is all bout wave control, even in lower elo (just to a lesser extend)
i agree with most of this but 4:08 is just incorrect. There is no way Urgot can dive there with Darius having both summs up. He can try to poke and deny last hits but even that is risky cause Darius has e by now. In addition to this Urgot knows Lee is topside cause he saw botlane leash in the early game. Since Lee does not neccessarily fullclear he could very well already be top so Urgot retreating is the correct play here.
urgot flash e if setup properly is guaranteed and darius would have no time to react and was low enough to be killed from it there but ye it would be risky and if unlucky a 1 by 1 trade which isnt favourable in this matchup. I personally wouldnt go for it either.
@@r4pt0rx68 Depends. If you die 1 for 1 but crash two waves into the tower, you come back to it slow pushing toward you, and he's going to be way down on xp. So you won't get a massive gold advantage off it, but it does basically set you up to win the lane if their jungler doesn't punish you. That's a big part of why low level dives happen a lot in higher elo. Often times with a level 3 or 4 jungle coming to help insure it.
Bro, just because you spotted where bot leashed doesnt mean the urgot knows that, typical low elo mindset, "i noticed this so everyone else did by default" 😂
He is if you can play him right, but the balance of aggression and defensive play and wave management is pretty hard. Meanwhile someone like nasus it's the same every game, lose early, get stacks, all in with ult and sheen and or divine sunderer. Darius is really good if your opponent doesn't know what he does, but most gold toplaners know not to fight him in long fights.
Yes and no. I think low elo players just are too coinflippy. A darius player might 1v9 one game, then hard lose the next one. The reason is he does not understand his matchups, but sometimes he gets easy matchups or someone who has even less understanding of the matchup. Happens a lot in every role in low elo from my experience.
i think compared to most of top champs with relatively high skill floor darius is a good low elo pick, just a couple of easy combos and small wave manipulation make him work. @@NahrAlma
i havnt even watched yet but darius with stupid teamates is the worst experience, he flourishes in properly fought front to back fights, and is WAAAYYYYY better when his team lets him ult kill the first guy so his passive is procced. alright ive watched it now and am very disappointed this wasn't touched on, but i do suppose that wouldn't have made for a very educational video as its just a fact you have to live with.
@@teitoniiits not clickbait lmao they explain exactly what the answer is to the title... u didnt watch. And literally any champion has a hard time with crap teammates...
Video is good, but title vs content is very questionable. The content has nothing to do with "Darius" or "Gold elo", even less about why he has low "winrate". Those were great examples of laning fundamentals (and more specifically the very first levels!), that's it.
@@CrystronPhoenixi can tell by ur rhetoric youve never been above bronze. I remember when my friends and i used to say that when we were all new.... 7 years ago.. win lane doesnt equal win game, but lane phase is literally (ask a pro, ciach or ur favorite streamer if u dont believe me) the #1 most important fundamental to master that contributes to winning the game. If u played ur lane well, work on ur mistakes and stop caring about 1) whether u won or lost, and 2) what anyone who isnt you was doing in the game. As for bad teams, u shouldnt be teamfighting with them, you should be splitting so they win with numbers advantage
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I remember when skillcapped made a similar video where Darius and Illaoi actually flourished winratewise in low elo while struggling in high elo. How the times change 😂
No, it's just that skillcapped is insonsistent bs
I think the average skill level has gone up a lot since then. The other video was about punishing low elo Darius mistakes and this one is about Darius punishing mistakes. In the old video Darius just ran at Urgot like he was Thanos and Urgot ran away despite winning if he just went in with E. In both of the current examples Darius respected or dodged Urgot E. There was real competence in the video. I was actually really surprised when the gold Darius dodged Urgot E.
I think it's more nuanced than that, in that metas have shifted a lot since then. Darius is ok right now because of the Stridebreaker buffs, but he scales terribly so if he can't get ahead enough in lane he just falls off a cliff mid to late game. Even in traditional matchups he wins hard vs like Garen, Garen just outscales Darius hard while also being a lot easier to execute. Darius isn't very easy to play, it's too simplistic to claim that you just ghost/flash and run opponents down, since he thrives off winning early skirmishes but doesn't contribute nearly as much in a team fight like Garen, Renekton or your average top lane tank, since Darius lacks hard CC, is more susceptible to being CC'd (Garen's silence is stronger than Darius pulling someone to him and has inbuilt tenacity in his kit while also running Phase Rush) and doesn't do as much damage compared to other top laners in mid to late game. So knowing how to close out games with Darius is pivotal but Riot has made a lot of changes that emphasizes team fighting more and in general drags out the game length. None of these changes benefit Darius. Low elo doesn't know how to close out games and I often see Darius players being very lost after the laning phase has ended. There's a lot of poor macro knowledge from your average top laner on how to for example extend your lead that high elo players don't struggle nearly as much with.
So it's more that the game has changed a lot since the last video. Darius isn't even that great right now and is only relevant because Stridebreaker is so strong. Because if you look at the stats, all Stridebreaker top laners are doing good right now.
@Kamishi845 darius scaling terribly is just really bad understanding of the champion. Ur saying that a champ that gets 100-200 free ad from stacking passive, gets FREE 35% ARMOR PEN ON HIS E PASSIVE, is INSANELY TANKY bc he doesnt need to build a lot of offensive items, and usually maxes out movespeed + has ghost bc he doesnt need to take tp is a champ that gets outscaled? stop tripping.
@king_kunta_0 The issue on Darius isn't that his numbers aren't good it's that he has nothing to do with them. He has no tools to favorably start a fight outside of just running at them and hoping he can pull 1 person thats caught looking at their second monitor. It's not like sett who has a free engage tool, not mobile like camille, or strong like ksante who has enough cc to isolate or lock down a target. Darius just runs at you. In late game full build scenarios Darius is a spectator to fights that can be determined in 4 seconds, he requires set up on a champion that only has 1 survivability tool. If you get too caught up in the numbers you won't realise he's entirely reliant on someone just running into his loving arms to do anything.
Darius without summoners, especially against comps with 3+ ranged is literally like playing a cannon minion
More like a siege minion, cannons are ranged.
icl this is the most passive darious ive seen usually they go all in from the get go hide in a bush ghost
This is why the way of people looking at my main man Darius changed people aknowledge that you need to know how to play the game to use Darius properly not to long ago people would just say a broken easy champ for example Garen also is getting different opinions from most people now aswell
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Yeah I mean this has nothing to do with Darius and all about the person piloting him, Darius needs to snowball in lane and take skirmishes but low elo players don’t know what champions do so they can’t play towards it
werent you guys the same ones saying that illaoi-darius-garen are op in low elo but shit in high elo?
Someone here is running out of ideas
Thank you, learned a lot
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I just dont understand I play darius a ton, im emerald, I abuse his early always get fed, and get perma kited in teamfight, how does he have 51% wr in master wtf... legit big canon creep in late game teamfights.
In high elo there usually isn't a late game fight. They end games alot faster
darius being an easy champ is a myth . youd think hed be similar to garen and a beginners champ since they are often seen together. but instead plays more as a burst fighter thats not tanky almost like riven. i remember first starting i would always think why i couldnt be good at this "low elo, easy, op, tank" champ.
i also think people use lane bully/op and easy/low elo interchangeably but those things really dont correlate with another
zed is an oppressive strong laner but no one calls him easy.
He is quite easy
he is mechanically easy, but you need some game knowledge to play him successfully. like knowing when is a good time to trade, all-in, etc. people often confuse mechanics and game knowledge when talking about a champion being easy or hard
@@bellowheaty1228 thats basically every single champ
Zed is not an oppressive strong laner.
@@cruszs yeah i know, I'm just saying there is a difference between mechanical difficulty and knowledge requirement of a champion, which isn't explained to new players, who may first try playing a champ who is considered "easy" and not succeed due to lack of knowledge. which can make them think that said champion isn't easy and "it's a myth"
can yall talk about why K'sante has 61% winrate in challenger but 40's in low elo
kind of the same concept.
Ksante can 1v2 if played properly, can be a massive lane bully, can setup dives and has good gank setup.
but for all this you not only need to play him well but also know matchups and fundamentals as shown in the video, which leads to ksante having a much higher winrate if played properly than if he is not.
Bc low elos don’t even know how to play the champ correctly most of the time on top of that he requires a solid grasp of how to play mid game
Because hes hard as fuck
it's in pro play, not just any challenger.
Gold/Plat players will call this video bullshit and say Urgot was just lucky because Zac camped top
without the gank it would have been very close if not darius favored to be honest
But it is true that if he'd played better he would have won that
@@MrMichalXXL thats the point of the video bro
ye most of them just see the gank and forget what happened in the last 4min before that gank happened where darius played the matchup as wrong as he couldve xd
He wouldn't have needed that luck if he didn't make hundreds of misplays before then.
all top laners regardless of elo woulda blamed the zac gank if they played like tht.
Good Video thx for the work
4:50 wouldn’t it be good for Darius to fast push under tower so he can recall and reset the waves making it so he and urgot lose equal amounts instead of his wave pushing and forcing him to walk up while on 40% hp?
Urgot still gonna push u anyways so it's a double loses situation
The problem is that if your wave is too small, Urgot can easily just bully you off the wave. That's why he needed to push it slower, because he needs time to stack up a big wave where Urgot can't pressure him anymore.
1 wave which isnt even a cannon wave can easily be shoved in by urgot early on, since darius had no tp he would lose the next wave and the wave would be in the same spot as before.
In any case he lost his lane way earlier in this example so this are just the symptoms of it.
It should never be this way in a darius v urgot lane anyway since darius didnt used his early game strength for winning trade instead even losing them and giving up the push, when toplane literally is all bout wave control, even in lower elo (just to a lesser extend)
nah im sure its just darius skin diff
Try play darius vs quin
Really good video
i swear i saw this video before O.O
i agree with most of this but 4:08 is just incorrect. There is no way Urgot can dive there with Darius having both summs up. He can try to poke and deny last hits but even that is risky cause Darius has e by now. In addition to this Urgot knows Lee is topside cause he saw botlane leash in the early game. Since Lee does not neccessarily fullclear he could very well already be top so Urgot retreating is the correct play here.
urgot flash e if setup properly is guaranteed and darius would have no time to react and was low enough to be killed from it there
but ye it would be risky and if unlucky a 1 by 1 trade which isnt favourable in this matchup. I personally wouldnt go for it either.
@@r4pt0rx68 Depends. If you die 1 for 1 but crash two waves into the tower, you come back to it slow pushing toward you, and he's going to be way down on xp. So you won't get a massive gold advantage off it, but it does basically set you up to win the lane if their jungler doesn't punish you. That's a big part of why low level dives happen a lot in higher elo. Often times with a level 3 or 4 jungle coming to help insure it.
Bro, just because you spotted where bot leashed doesnt mean the urgot knows that, typical low elo mindset, "i noticed this so everyone else did by default" 😂
@@flowbie-1336 Failing basic reading comprehension then jumping straight to insults, typical league mindset.
darius is the most coinflippy champ in low elo
am i idiot or wasnt darius good low elo champ?
He is if you can play him right, but the balance of aggression and defensive play and wave management is pretty hard. Meanwhile someone like nasus it's the same every game, lose early, get stacks, all in with ult and sheen and or divine sunderer. Darius is really good if your opponent doesn't know what he does, but most gold toplaners know not to fight him in long fights.
he is
Yes and no. I think low elo players just are too coinflippy. A darius player might 1v9 one game, then hard lose the next one. The reason is he does not understand his matchups, but sometimes he gets easy matchups or someone who has even less understanding of the matchup. Happens a lot in every role in low elo from my experience.
i think compared to most of top champs with relatively high skill floor darius is a good low elo pick, just a couple of easy combos and small wave manipulation make him work. @@NahrAlma
i havnt even watched yet but darius with stupid teamates is the worst experience, he flourishes in properly fought front to back fights, and is WAAAYYYYY better when his team lets him ult kill the first guy so his passive is procced.
alright ive watched it now and am very disappointed this wasn't touched on, but i do suppose that wouldn't have made for a very educational video as its just a fact you have to live with.
waah team sux 5000 games in a row, only reason im hardstuck bronze 10 years, im better than chovy but team bad!
Imagine seeing a video that highlights the difference in fundamentals and the only thing you want to talk about is crying about teammates lol
@@danieltaylor3696 its just a clickbait title that doesn't actually have to with darius, generic early toplane video theyve made 20 of before.
@@lnvern ?
@@teitoniiits not clickbait lmao they explain exactly what the answer is to the title... u didnt watch. And literally any champion has a hard time with crap teammates...
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Video is good, but title vs content is very questionable.
The content has nothing to do with "Darius" or "Gold elo", even less about why he has low "winrate".
Those were great examples of laning fundamentals (and more specifically the very first levels!), that's it.
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Really not the case. This shows you how to win lane not how to win the game unfortunately.
but winning or at least not losing the lane is a big factor when it comes to properly win a game
@@r4pt0rx68 true but even if u win lane and are even fed if you cant win teamfights gor your team you will lose the game
@@CrystronPhoenixi can tell by ur rhetoric youve never been above bronze. I remember when my friends and i used to say that when we were all new.... 7 years ago.. win lane doesnt equal win game, but lane phase is literally (ask a pro, ciach or ur favorite streamer if u dont believe me) the #1 most important fundamental to master that contributes to winning the game. If u played ur lane well, work on ur mistakes and stop caring about 1) whether u won or lost, and 2) what anyone who isnt you was doing in the game. As for bad teams, u shouldnt be teamfighting with them, you should be splitting so they win with numbers advantage
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