I don't even need stone tablets! As Eristotle or some other greek guy once said "literacy will make us all forgetful." or something. You spoiled aristocrats with your fancy writing and marble tablets with yer fancy chisels and calligraphy, I keep it all in me head... What was I talking about again?
CGP: "Since you bought it, how many hours has your phone been more than an arm's reach away?" Me: "That's a really good point. Right now for instance its right... wait where the fuck is my phone?"
@@toddhoward7649 Okay, there's a lot of reasons why the war of independence is unwarranted, but to say that America was mad that taxes were too high is both untrue and silly. The taxes were very light, even for the time. Americans were upset on principle, because their local governments were already taxing them and they felt that parliament didn't have the right to levy taxes on them because they had no representation. Additionally, the most controversial tax introduced in that time was the stamp act, and America wasn't worried that mailing would become too expensive, they were worried that the British would use the tax to simply not let Americans publish documents the British didn't like, censoring a free press. This is why a free press is a core issue in multiple founding documents, BTW At the end of the day, America was upset not because of anything individual that the British were doing but more generally because the British were attempting to exert control over it's 13 colonies after having been almost entirely hands-off for over a century. America had gotten used to being effectively free already, and didn't welcome being controlled in any way by a government that didn't represent them and a country that didn't respect them. Sorry for going off like this, stuff like this just bugs me.
@@Africa893 sup... I'm the guy you messaged 4 years in the past. What's the future like? Any sneak peeks or advice? 2020's gotta be a lot better than 2016.
+Bart Bouwman the actual sentence is "Dubito (I doubt), ergo cogito (therefore I think) ergo sum (therefore I am)", so it'd make more sense to say "Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo iPhoneo".
Yeah in the land of war thunder/world of blah sponsors these videos now adays are going to be dated as fuck, especially those who have 30%+ of their time code dedicated to sponsorships and their Patreon, because TH-cam unintentionally became the media equivalent of a F2P mobile game
"Thinking about today's law _is_ thinking about future law; and access to your phone today _is_, unavoidably, about access to your mind tomorrow." - CPG Grey ... Historical quote in the making
I know I am late, but as a little correction: What CGP Grey describes about the laws as bricks, building upon each other, is pretty much a common law thing, so US, UK and former UK colonies. In civil law, court cases can also be bricks building up, but these walls are often torn down with a change of statutory law, as these court cases are tightly bound to the statute they interpret.
Laws built on laws is how the US constitution and the British legal system works (precedence cases). In many other countries, existing laws either get replaced or deleted.
I realise why I started keeping my phone with me... when it became socially acceptable to get angry at people for failing to answer their call whenever you call them. Seriously, the number of times I've left my phone somewhere and returned to find so many misses calls THEY then give me shit because I was ever not able to be contacted. Work, family, friends. ALL of them may need to contract me at any time and it's ALWAYS a freaking emergency, it's always time critical. I can see how this personal computer ended up being embedded in our lives, no one ever thought they'd need one till phones suddenly became more and more advanced to be effective computers.
I know you wrote this a year ago, but this resonates with me. I was like this. I was also frustrated by this. Pick another means of communication and simply tell people - many, many times - that they should use that. I parrotted "If you want to have it done, send an email about it, I won't pick up the phone" until people learned. Do this and you'll be happier.
I feel like the biggest difference between papyrus and a phone isn't the amount of data. It's that a phone can gather information by itself while papyrus needs someone to explicitly write something down on it with the intention to record it.
+The 51st Division I much prefer the anime Stand Alone Complex(both seasons) compared to the movie. But I still love the movie. My only complaint with it *SPOILER* was in the ending when she ends up using the shell of a child. It just kinda ruined the entire moment and seriousness of it all for me. I wish they'd just showed her using her usual shell. Other than that, no complaints.
Just like in Back to the Future when they have a video conference and it showed the person's home address, immediate family members, phone number, etc. But think about it, we give all of those things away on a daily basis without even thinking about it; via geolocations, etc
+AJHedges I'm pretty sure Grey knows the '10% of your brain' thing is not true. Notice how he is saying the words.... "much of it wrong" as the text is on the screen, signifying that he knows that statement is wrong.
I feel like the title of this video is an allusion to the essay "I, Pencil" by Leonard E. Read. Different perspectives but they touch on a similar theme.
The title may well be, but the content is not. Read's essay is about the power of the market to coordinate human creativity and industriousness into products that no single man could possibly create. Grey's essay is about the way that the use of precedent as a mechanism to extend law means that judges must be placed under public scrutiny, lest they write laws that defy the will of the people.
no, i'd rather them read my phone. Worst thing there is porn bookmarks. And since porn itself isn't stored, i'm not an outlaw (storing porn is illegal here...)
Sometimes I get frustrated with CGP Grey's update schedule or lack there of, and then he comes out with a video like this. and it feels like my eyes are opened in a new way for the first time. Thank you Grey. It's always worth the wait. Never rush.
You keep your glasses in arm's reach even when taking a shower? Yes, yes, you could argue that people don't have their phones in arm's reach during showers either, but some people actually do, waterproof phone cases exist for that exact reason Granted, I _did_ once forget to take my glasses off before shower time, and somehow didn't notice until I was done, but that was not a conscious decision on my part
Thank you, these are the reasons I also saw that rightfully stood and should continue standing between the FBI and our phones, and ultimately, our privacy.
No, I'm saying it's not a fallacy when the conclusions follow from the premises. If the premise is "all laws can serve as foundations for future laws." and "this is a law". Then the conclusion"this law can serve as a foundation for future laws" is not a fallacy.
Though, in arguments that _don't_ set legal precedent, people _do_ tend to get their mule up a minaret and entrench too deep over small stuff. Which is why slippery slope is called a fallacy.
I'd much rather have someone be able to read my phone than my mind.... Of course, I don't have a smart phone so it just has my contacts and boring text messages.
As someone with a smartphone, I'd probably still rathe them read my phone, because while I might not consciously remember a lot of details about myself, it's all still in the brain somewhere
brilliant video, I learned a lot, it helped me frame/understand what I already know/have seen, and is an excellent kick off on looking into a subject I have very little understanding in. Thank you CPG Grey!
"There's no device that's with you 24/7 other than a phone." Clothing is a device which protects me from the elements (and certain potential legal entanglements). Eyeglasses are a device which render my blindness into something functional and, since doing anything without them is an exercise in frustration if not outright impossibility, are never further than arm's reach. My keys are always to hand. I also know people who are never without a good knife.
To clarify on the 'only using 10% of your brain' thing. It's sarcastic. He says 'much of it wrong' when showing the image. It's almost like the audio and video have a temporal relationship, OMG!
This is exactly why I use a flip phone for you know, calling/texting, and a separate computer for everything else. Still a fully functioning adult, and life continues.
This is by far the best video I have seen on this topic. I've generally sided toward give them access, but this video really brought up a very good and very valid point.
Brilliant. Very important to raise awareness of these issues. Breaking into a terrorists phone today leads to breaking into a "terrorists" phone tomorrow leads to breaking into your phone next week.
4 years later: Eventually a difference of amount is a difference in kind had deeply influenced my thinking. Also rewatching all of Cgp Grey is A. Time.
LOVE U GRAY!!!! Watched the first video, went and got food, came back and was sad about not having ALL OF THE GRAY ALL OF THE TIME, went back on channel to relive some old videos for the 9999th time and find a NEW ONE TO FILL MY GRAY ADDICTION!!!!! THANK YOU ALL OF THE MUCH
Substitute phone for computer and this applies to me. I use burner phones, usually just to arrange transportation/communicate professionally. Don't need anything fancy when I have two kickass gaming machines back home.
+Polly The Parrot Bank data, movement data. The latter alone can get you into so much trouble if it were available the way the FBI wanted - all that is needed to happen is that your name comes up, because a suspect has a similar name. Your phone is checked (without you even knowing - external access), you happened to have movement data near that of a terrorist, bam you're answering questions in a dark cell with no hope of even hearing an attourney. Scary nonsense? No, a reality for many people that had no contacts to any sort of terrorism, yet were caught in the net anyway - including getting shipped to Guantanamo. On terrorism, you're guilty unless proven innocent.
+Fen Y you are stretching. while i agree that the government should not have access to our data, the FBI hasnt moved anyone from US to Guantanamo. They have no authority to do something along those lines. Not even the CIA has moved someone from US to Guantanamo. Only 1 US citizen was ever held there and he was arrested in Afghanistan. Now back to the FBI... they need more than a name and a place to hold someone without seeing an attorney. and they have no authority to move people offshore. there needs to be a clear and eminent threat in order for them to get a judge to sign off on holding someone without seeing an attorney. so overall the message is correct in regards to fighting government surveillance, but spewing fearmongering nonsense doesn't help. We get mad at the government when they use the fear of terror to push laws. Well you are using the fear of surveillance to fight the government. It is no better than what they are doing. Facts should be the primary motivator, not fear.
Fen Y I don't keep bank data on my phone. If you do, you might want to rethink that. what happens when you loose it? And if i were afraid of the government tracking my movements, I wouldn't let my phone access my location. If you're still paranoid that they're going to track you, then get rid of your phone. It's that easy.
+Polly The Parrot No embarrassing shit on your phone? Good for you, you special snowflake. Just means this conversation isn't about you. I can just hear idiots in the future, _"sure for Govt can probe my brain at anytime! I have nothing to hide cuz theres nothing in there!"_
HotSkull Going from collecting data on suspected terrorists to probing your brain to read your sub-conscience is a bit of a leap, don't you think? That technology doesn't exist-likely never will. And if it did, there is a clear difference between reading someone mind and reading the drunk texts they sent. Seriously, what the hell do you keep on you phone that's so incriminating. Will the fuzz find pics of you and your boys getting stoned on 4/20? Is your girlfriend going to find out about your side chicks? Do you keep the coordinates of the bodies you've hidden in your contacts or something?
But you change your clothes on a near daily basis (I hope). Then they spend quite a while far away from you before you use them again. Do you change your phone on a daily basis?
You have become very active recently. I like it very much. Your videos might not bee _as_ polished, but the information is still there, in its former glory (interesting, short, easy to understand but very thoughtprovoking). Also I don't have a problem if you bring some of these kinds of videos, where it's less about understanding the system and more about spreading an idea.
It is more accurate to mention that the reason laws are built atop one another is NOT just because thats how it works, but because a court deciding today's case will make use of the reasoning and discourse in a previous related case. Assuming the court today is on the same hierarchical tier, the previous case is not binding. Basically the court says "Hmm this is a tricky issue, it will take me a long time to think fully on the matter. I can cut this time down drastically by starting at what was until today considered the end of the matter" We don't follow precedents just 'cause. We examine previous reasoning, apply it to the current context, and examine whether or not the conclusion reached should be the same given the differences in the case and in society today. Although this places significantly more weight on the highest courts in the land getting their decisions right. Legislation however, is not built upon other laws. Its more like an etchasketch, except you can erase parts of the image or the whole or just add to it (and then its the courts job to tell us whether its a train or a bus or a guy surfing). The only way legislation is built atop older laws is through complacency or a desire to extend rather than repeal. Despite some faults in the reasoning (Its possible you were just trying to simplify), your conclusions are entirely accurate
+Unlyricallyrics I use it to read lightnovels, watch tv or movies, keep my schedule and talk to my family through whatsapp. Oh and watch youtube videos when on the crapper
I should probably have a physical paper ledger for important stuff as well to be safe. Losing all that info inside your phone (passwords, appointments, investments) is devastating, so it would be kind of a safety net to have a physical copy of said info.
I don't see too many people actually implanting computer chips into their brains. Would you want to live with all those god damn pop up ads appearing inside your head? Especially when you're driving?
+YourPalAL Then don't install those programs. Write your own. Do you know what prevents newcomers from learning to program the most? Syntax. Today's computers can't communicate with people easily, so we invent programming languages with consistent syntax which are then compiled into machine code. When you put chips in your head, they won't just understand your clear, English thoughts. They will understand the true meaning behind every thought you have. It won't be like English, where a sentences can be restructured, words can be replaced with hundreds of synonyms, and phrases can have completely different meanings depending on which syllable is stressed. The computer will understand you at a level beneath language. You will use the chip in your head like you use your arm. Programming languages will become a thing of the past. Sharing source code would be tricky, like trying to share music whilst being unable to read it, but one assumes a kind of telepathy could be devised with which one could convey the meaning behind programs without words.
Hannah Elisabeth Only if the free market accepts them, and they won't. A car that parks itself was already tried and people said "nope." In fact one of their competitors advertised their own car as made for "drivers who can park themselves." lol :p
@@1984Phalanx As if this isn't massively different than that, the "self-parking cars" probably failed because not a lot of people had access AND it wasn't enough of a selling-point to replace current cars. This, on the other hand, can almost completely eliminate traffic jams, a good percentage of accidents and arguably: it can eliminate the need for current auto insurance.
"Giventhe choice of someone reading your mind or reading your phone. If you seriously think about it, you'd probably pick the former." *Rickrolls them*
+Chris Nihilus i got the joke! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha its just for the upper intelligent people in this country... its fefenetly not for everybody! #LOLinyourownass
about the question of choosing between my mind and my phone, I have a small rebuttal: although I forgot most things, I would still remember all the passwords, so that accessing my brain means gaining access of all of my online account on top of my phone and computer.
+aerendyll I use my iPhone as I used to use my old Nokia 3310, alarm clock.. and play games, I played snake on the Nokia, and on my iPhone I play slightly more modern games, but that's all, I have 10 contacts... My mom and my dad, and my sister and 7 friends... I'm not that worried, unless depressing pictures of how bad the weather is became illegal...
"Breaking news: Trump bans all climate change evidence; that includes any weather that is not sunny and clear. Enjoy your time in jail, climate change monger." That could happen...
I always found some very good arguments when slippery slope didn't apply. It applies only when you cannot be even within the ballpark regarding the prediction of future events.
I don't have a smartphone, I just carry thousands of pounds of papyrus scrolls around with me wherever I go.
+JustOneAsbesto Papyrus scrolls?! Only stone tablets are good enough for me.
JustOneAsbesto Me too but I use the supreme wood bark
I don't even need stone tablets! As Eristotle or some other greek guy once said "literacy will make us all forgetful." or something. You spoiled aristocrats with your fancy writing and marble tablets with yer fancy chisels and calligraphy, I keep it all in me head... What was I talking about again?
On a horse and cart?
Phh, i just jot everything down on my hand.
And on this day alone, CGP Grey has reached his upload quota for the rest of the year.
Lmao
lool
Rip
+borRIING I mean you aint wrong
😂😂
"Do you remember your location at every minute of every day?"
*shows my exact location*
oh
@@AnhThuNguyen-zz2hm my mom's basement
Morman?
BWAM BWAM BWAAAAAAAA
@@nightblade178 yes I know
CGP: "Since you bought it, how many hours has your phone been more than an arm's reach away?"
Me: "That's a really good point. Right now for instance its right... wait where the fuck is my phone?"
Aidan303
Did you find it yet?
I found it alright. A few weeks later I dropped it into a sink full of water. RIP Samsung S3.
@@Aidan303 Did you get a new one?
TBF my phone is quite often much more than an arm's reach away. Every time I go to sleep, eat or go to the toilet for instance.
@@0bread286 No
"That's not how it works,"
*angry Grey*
"That's not how any of this works."
Love it.
Ethically too. People will accept the most outrageous stuff, if they are build little by little.
_cough_ religion _cough_
*cough* pedophilia as a sexual attraction *cough*
Like America getting independence because there were too many taxes and 20 years later having higher taxes then the empire?
@@toddhoward7649 Okay, there's a lot of reasons why the war of independence is unwarranted, but to say that America was mad that taxes were too high is both untrue and silly. The taxes were very light, even for the time. Americans were upset on principle, because their local governments were already taxing them and they felt that parliament didn't have the right to levy taxes on them because they had no representation. Additionally, the most controversial tax introduced in that time was the stamp act, and America wasn't worried that mailing would become too expensive, they were worried that the British would use the tax to simply not let Americans publish documents the British didn't like, censoring a free press. This is why a free press is a core issue in multiple founding documents, BTW
At the end of the day, America was upset not because of anything individual that the British were doing but more generally because the British were attempting to exert control over it's 13 colonies after having been almost entirely hands-off for over a century. America had gotten used to being effectively free already, and didn't welcome being controlled in any way by a government that didn't represent them and a country that didn't respect them. Sorry for going off like this, stuff like this just bugs me.
*cough* abortion *cough*
There is another object like that: glasses
Oh true!
Sure, but even people who have worn glasses their entire life (like me) have forgotten them a time or two.
Forrest Carroll, sure, but the same goes for your phone
Do they hold information about you?
*****, yes, the optical power of my eyes and an approximation of the size of my head
Now if we can only convince people of this.
Older people think this is paranoia or some bad joke.
the median age of congress is 62 and people wonder why tech policy is archaic
@@Africa893 sup... I'm the guy you messaged 4 years in the past. What's the future like? Any sneak peeks or advice? 2020's gotta be a lot better than 2016.
@@ParanoidPixel US is trying its damndest to kill encryption and it's guaranteed to pass
“Phones are extension of millennials minds” is something you would see in a bad boomer joke
hey you, two years in the future!
How is encryption doing?
woah, 2 videos in 1 day?! WHAT IS THIS SORCERY!
2spooky4me
i just typed that same sentiment lol
let me guess... AMSTERDAM!!!!
+Jonathan Villatoro Córdoba probably true. xD
***** wow, rude.
I think, therefore iPhone
Ego cognio ergo iPhone
+Ryan Garten You win the internet
+Bart Bouwman the actual sentence is "Dubito (I doubt), ergo cogito (therefore I think) ergo sum (therefore I am)", so it'd make more sense to say "Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo iPhoneo".
Je pense donc je suis
😂😂😂
If this video was uploaded today i would be expecting a "that's why you should use Dashlane" at the end
Yeah in the land of war thunder/world of blah sponsors these videos now adays are going to be dated as fuck, especially those who have 30%+ of their time code dedicated to sponsorships and their Patreon, because TH-cam unintentionally became the media equivalent of a F2P mobile game
Unity raid: shadow leggings is how I read that, thinking “damn these porn games regressing”
Also: This video is sponsored by vpn blah blah..
he said he won’t be doing sponsorships
hey
youtubers need money too, try not to judge
Adsense barely gives em any money
"Do *you* remember *your* location every moment of every day?"
These days I actually *do* tend to manage to hold all that information in my mind.
where were you 8 months ago?
@@Lysergic_ - So, it's been a while since, but I'm pretty sure I was making a joke about lockdown. i.e. I was at home all the time.
@@Moley1Moleo Makes sense.
@@Moley1Moleo where were you 3 years, 2 months, and 3 days ago 🤩😪🤩😪🤩😪😎😵😜😵💫😔🤧😟
@@Sournale doing your mom
"Thinking about today's law _is_ thinking about future law; and access to your phone today _is_, unavoidably, about access to your mind tomorrow." - CPG Grey
... Historical quote in the making
typo
@@sonicrulez6916 where?
@@JonSebastianF right there look
I know I am late, but as a little correction: What CGP Grey describes about the laws as bricks, building upon each other, is pretty much a common law thing, so US, UK and former UK colonies. In civil law, court cases can also be bricks building up, but these walls are often torn down with a change of statutory law, as these court cases are tightly bound to the statute they interpret.
Laws built on laws is how the US constitution and the British legal system works (precedence cases). In many other countries, existing laws either get replaced or deleted.
+Alex K. Like in some countries of Latin America. For example in Mexico the laws are always made to "upgrade" the legal system, but it doesn't work.
Agreed. Precedent as a mechanism to extend law is not universally accepted.
Like in Ukraine or Russia . Someone "on top" decides current law doesn't suit him much, he changes it or ignores it
"If we are going to draw the Vitruvian Man today, he will be a guy extending a hand holding a smart phone."
I phone therefore I am.
I don't own a phone. Fear me.
+Asdayasman Eeeeeek
+Asdayasman Neither do I. Why would I need one? I just go to school, come back home and play on the computer for the rest of the day.
+Asdayasman You must be Amish.
+Asdayasman Are you an adult?
He doesn't own a phone... because he is the phone... Truly, fear him....
I realise why I started keeping my phone with me... when it became socially acceptable to get angry at people for failing to answer their call whenever you call them. Seriously, the number of times I've left my phone somewhere and returned to find so many misses calls THEY then give me shit because I was ever not able to be contacted. Work, family, friends. ALL of them may need to contract me at any time and it's ALWAYS a freaking emergency, it's always time critical.
I can see how this personal computer ended up being embedded in our lives, no one ever thought they'd need one till phones suddenly became more and more advanced to be effective computers.
I know you wrote this a year ago, but this resonates with me. I was like this. I was also frustrated by this. Pick another means of communication and simply tell people - many, many times - that they should use that. I parrotted "If you want to have it done, send an email about it, I won't pick up the phone" until people learned. Do this and you'll be happier.
I got a phone, but I use it so little that my sim card expired, twice
I never wanted to have a phone with me, but I _did_ want to carry around a computer at all times.
I think a collaboration with Kurzgesagt would be *awesome*.
Edit: I am *still* aware there was one.
Yes
There's only one way to find out.......... Fight!!!!!!
I LOVE KURZGEHAGT AND I LOVE CGP GREY BUT THAIR GRAPHICS ARE TOO DIFFERENT IS THEY SHOULD NOT COLAB! Sorry for bad bad bad bad spelling!
Your wish came true today.
Deon D'Silva
It's an awesome infinite loop of awesomeness...
2:08
I love how Grey seems to get properly mad over that.
CGP Grey, you are DEFINITELY a huge reason why having TH-cam is so very important these days!
1:10 Did anyone else see Fred's face popup on that guy's head?
+Abdullahi gyazo.com/2e4c40b3e35ab9ff286c5f14035651dc
+Abdullahi I had to slow the video down to stop it at that one frame
+Abdullahi It's the "that's my fetish" gif. He's implying that someone browsing your phone might come across your fetish collection.
You win. - CGP Grey
It took me about 25 tries to get it. Damn.
If my phone knows more than me, then I will fuse with it and become the perfect being
there is only one perfect being, 'Kars'!
@@shayan-gg kars with cybernetic implantations
Meatsacks are so conceited
Yep. And then, if the government can look in your phone, they can look in your _mind_!
Honestly pegged him as more of an Android guy to be honest.
+MrChipGardener I still think that.
But Android don't make no good pun
Watch his podcast
two videos in one day? WHAT SORT OF HERESY IS THIS!?!?
+Field Marshal Fry The good kind.
Bolt all the doors! Hammer large pieces of crooked wood between all the windows!
+Field Marshal Fry Tally-ho field marshal!
+Field Marshal Fry
Well technically this is a side video to the original video so it make sense...
BURN THE HERETICS!!
+Field Marshal Fry you read my mind!
Or in the case of Grey, I, Robot.
I feel like the biggest difference between papyrus and a phone isn't the amount of data.
It's that a phone can gather information by itself while papyrus needs someone to explicitly write something down on it with the intention to record it.
I now have a sudden urge to rewatch Ghost in the Shell the 1995 anime that basically predicted everything you just said.
+The 51st Division I much prefer the anime Stand Alone Complex(both seasons) compared to the movie. But I still love the movie. My only complaint with it *SPOILER* was in the ending when she ends up using the shell of a child. It just kinda ruined the entire moment and seriousness of it all for me. I wish they'd just showed her using her usual shell. Other than that, no complaints.
Just like in Back to the Future when they have a video conference and it showed the person's home address, immediate family members, phone number, etc. But think about it, we give all of those things away on a daily basis without even thinking about it; via geolocations, etc
Someone say anime
When people say you only use 10% of the brain, cringe
+AJHedges The people who say that probably use only 10% of their brains themselves.
Correct
You just quoted his misconceptions video
+AJHedges Well, they do.
+AJHedges I'm pretty sure Grey knows the '10% of your brain' thing is not true. Notice how he is saying the words.... "much of it wrong" as the text is on the screen, signifying that he knows that statement is wrong.
WHAT IS GOING ON. 2 VIDEOS IN ONE DAY, IT MUST BE FOR MY BIRTHDAY. #hellointernet
+Kai Widman Happy Birthday, Tim. :D
Sinlinara Timmita
Happy Birthday, Timmita. :D \ o /
Happy birthday
Happy birthday TIM
I feel like the title of this video is an allusion to the essay "I, Pencil" by Leonard E. Read. Different perspectives but they touch on a similar theme.
The title may well be, but the content is not.
Read's essay is about the power of the market to coordinate human creativity and industriousness into products that no single man could possibly create.
Grey's essay is about the way that the use of precedent as a mechanism to extend law means that judges must be placed under public scrutiny, lest they write laws that defy the will of the people.
no, i'd rather them read my phone. Worst thing there is porn bookmarks. And since porn itself isn't stored, i'm not an outlaw (storing porn is illegal here...)
are you an outlaw because of what's in your mind?
that's when the law is going to fuck us all up...
better find a girlfriend before that xD
Where tf r u
Risen Phoenix
Belarus
Ubeogesh You are the first person I've met from Belarus, congrats
two videos? MIRACLE
Sometimes I get frustrated with CGP Grey's update schedule or lack there of, and then he comes out with a video like this. and it feels like my eyes are opened in a new way for the first time. Thank you Grey. It's always worth the wait. Never rush.
A phone is an extension of my computer which is an extension of myself.
0:12 yes I remember my location. It didn't change for last 5 months
0:15 I don't have friends.
But Grey, there is one other item I keep in arm's reach at all times! My glasses. Though, that sorta makes your argument for you.
You keep your glasses in arm's reach even when taking a shower?
Yes, yes, you could argue that people don't have their phones in arm's reach during showers either, but some people actually do, waterproof phone cases exist for that exact reason
Granted, I _did_ once forget to take my glasses off before shower time, and somehow didn't notice until I was done, but that was not a conscious decision on my part
@@Deathnotefan97 they could also be for other humid environments, or even construction sites and other places where ruggedness is the norm
Does your glasses know more about you than your phone?
@@Deathnotefan97 You bring your phone *into* the shower?
@@reinatr4848 I don't, but there are people who do
"don't worry! i'll only read your mind this one time. promise!"
Ah damn
+Dinklemin "It's very important, see, everyone else agrees you should let me, and only me, read your mind."
"how long has your phone been more that an arms reach away"
Me: *Thinks of the 10 times ive lost my phone for more than a day* Around 1,000 hour
i think thatd'be closer to about 240 or 260, but ok
Thank you, these are the reasons I also saw that rightfully stood and should continue standing between the FBI and our phones, and ultimately, our privacy.
1:05 What happens in Amsterdam stays on your iPhone.
Yep, slippery slope fallacy is not a fallacy when the slope is in fact both real and slippery.
No, I'm saying it's not a fallacy when the conclusions follow from the premises. If the premise is "all laws can serve as foundations for future laws." and "this is a law". Then the conclusion"this law can serve as a foundation for future laws" is not a fallacy.
Yes, I agree that that is how fallicies work. Fallacies require an error of some sort, so, no error leaves no space for a fallacy.
It’s never a fallacy. It’s fallacious to think that just because a logical chain is long it’s weak. It isn’t
Though, in arguments that _don't_ set legal precedent, people _do_ tend to get their mule up a minaret and entrench too deep over small stuff. Which is why slippery slope is called a fallacy.
more like: I, computer.
because I use my computer more than by phone and I keep it closer to me than my phone.
My computer _is_ my phone. Though I kind of wish it didn't work as a phone...
I'd much rather have someone be able to read my phone than my mind.... Of course, I don't have a smart phone so it just has my contacts and boring text messages.
As someone with a smartphone, I'd probably still rathe them read my phone, because while I might not consciously remember a lot of details about myself, it's all still in the brain somewhere
"This move is not about future moves"
+Jacob Mccann It's about revenge.
+Sheikh Eddy Dun Dun Dun...
1:11 that's my fetish.
I finally got the timing right, 2 years but I finally got the timing right.
You can just slow the play back speed
Soundiboi what?
reaper. It has a photo
137 is 1 3 away from 1337
"At some point, a difference of amount becomes a difference of kind". That's probably the smartest thing I've heard in a while.
The best and the most concisely put video about "why privacy and security matter", to date.
Anyone see that one frame easter egg at 1:11?
I have seen it, but i couldn't see what it was showing.
what
+Connor Chappel Freddy's (Scooby Doo) head on the left stickman. Nothing fancy.
+Connor Chappel Yup, who is it?
+Connor Chappel Its a cartoon character's head replacing the left stickmans head.
two videos in one day, man grey must have his work lightbulb cranked.
brilliant video, I learned a lot, it helped me frame/understand what I already know/have seen, and is an excellent kick off on looking into a subject I have very little understanding in. Thank you CPG Grey!
"There's no device that's with you 24/7 other than a phone." Clothing is a device which protects me from the elements (and certain potential legal entanglements). Eyeglasses are a device which render my blindness into something functional and, since doing anything without them is an exercise in frustration if not outright impossibility, are never further than arm's reach. My keys are always to hand. I also know people who are never without a good knife.
To clarify on the 'only using 10% of your brain' thing. It's sarcastic. He says 'much of it wrong' when showing the image.
It's almost like the audio and video have a temporal relationship, OMG!
Just because my phone remembers my conversations and locations that doesn't me it KNOWS me better than myself.
+Nerte I guess it depends on your definition of "know."
WHAT IS KNOWING?
WHO IS NEXT?
YOU DECIDE!
More like in 5 days I'll forget this whole week.
this is one of those few things that is even more relevant today then it was half a decade ago
This is exactly why I use a flip phone for you know, calling/texting, and a separate computer for everything else.
Still a fully functioning adult, and life continues.
+NinjaPirateJedi meta data about your location/phone calls/sms can still be harvested like mushrooms after rain.
Two great videos; a carefully written analysis of the issue of encryption and our relationship with our phones. Great job.
This is by far the best video I have seen on this topic. I've generally sided toward give them access, but this video really brought up a very good and very valid point.
Brilliant. Very important to raise awareness of these issues.
Breaking into a terrorists phone today leads to breaking into a "terrorists" phone tomorrow leads to breaking into your phone next week.
You changed my mind on the data privacy subject. Thank you!
anyone that wants to read my mind has to go through me and my three cybernetic arms first!
+Karlsson heh heh heh. ahem. mature noises.
+Karlsson I'm sure they can't read it remotely, right? Surely your mind can't connect to the internet or interface with other devices...
+Matt Sven Not yet...
"With these upgrades you never stood a chance"
+Karlsson like your picture
well said! concise, clear, to the point, and lays out what's at stake so well.
4 years later: Eventually a difference of amount is a difference in kind had deeply influenced my thinking.
Also rewatching all of Cgp Grey is A. Time.
LOVE U GRAY!!!! Watched the first video, went and got food, came back and was sad about not having ALL OF THE GRAY ALL OF THE TIME, went back on channel to relive some old videos for the 9999th time and find a NEW ONE TO FILL MY GRAY ADDICTION!!!!! THANK YOU ALL OF THE MUCH
Substitute phone for computer and this applies to me. I use burner phones, usually just to arrange transportation/communicate professionally. Don't need anything fancy when I have two kickass gaming machines back home.
how much shit do you have on your phone? The most embarrassing thing someone could find on my phone is the lack of friends I have.
+Polly The Parrot
Bank data, movement data. The latter alone can get you into so much trouble if it were available the way the FBI wanted - all that is needed to happen is that your name comes up, because a suspect has a similar name. Your phone is checked (without you even knowing - external access), you happened to have movement data near that of a terrorist, bam you're answering questions in a dark cell with no hope of even hearing an attourney.
Scary nonsense? No, a reality for many people that had no contacts to any sort of terrorism, yet were caught in the net anyway - including getting shipped to Guantanamo. On terrorism, you're guilty unless proven innocent.
+Fen Y you are stretching. while i agree that the government should not have access to our data, the FBI hasnt moved anyone from US to Guantanamo. They have no authority to do something along those lines. Not even the CIA has moved someone from US to Guantanamo. Only 1 US citizen was ever held there and he was arrested in Afghanistan.
Now back to the FBI... they need more than a name and a place to hold someone without seeing an attorney. and they have no authority to move people offshore. there needs to be a clear and eminent threat in order for them to get a judge to sign off on holding someone without seeing an attorney.
so overall the message is correct in regards to fighting government surveillance, but spewing fearmongering nonsense doesn't help. We get mad at the government when they use the fear of terror to push laws. Well you are using the fear of surveillance to fight the government. It is no better than what they are doing. Facts should be the primary motivator, not fear.
Fen Y I don't keep bank data on my phone. If you do, you might want to rethink that. what happens when you loose it? And if i were afraid of the government tracking my movements, I wouldn't let my phone access my location. If you're still paranoid that they're going to track you, then get rid of your phone. It's that easy.
+Polly The Parrot No embarrassing shit on your phone? Good for you, you special snowflake. Just means this conversation isn't about you. I can just hear idiots in the future, _"sure for Govt can probe my brain at anytime! I have nothing to hide cuz theres nothing in there!"_
HotSkull Going from collecting data on suspected terrorists to probing your brain to read your sub-conscience is a bit of a leap, don't you think? That technology doesn't exist-likely never will. And if it did, there is a clear difference between reading someone mind and reading the drunk texts they sent.
Seriously, what the hell do you keep on you phone that's so incriminating. Will the fuzz find pics of you and your boys getting stoned on 4/20? Is your girlfriend going to find out about your side chicks? Do you keep the coordinates of the bodies you've hidden in your contacts or something?
Him: *What other object stays an arm length away almost always? Probably nothing.*
My clothes: *Am I a joke to you?*
But you change your clothes on a near daily basis (I hope). Then they spend quite a while far away from you before you use them again. Do you change your phone on a daily basis?
@@adithyastren6218 Love love that "you change your clothes on a near daily basis (I hope)" XD...
I feel called out.
Too many plebs don't understand technology and how integral to modern life it has become.
I love the new precedent you set with today's upload schedule!
CGP Grey is the king of “Quality over Quantity”, and the qualities only getting better
australia has gone one foot on the slope...
hope someone claws back up quickly
two videos in one day? Today is a great day!
I love today!
Personally, today was shitty day for me lmao
What is happening. 2 videos in one day?
You have become very active recently. I like it very much. Your videos might not bee _as_ polished, but the information is still there, in its former glory (interesting, short, easy to understand but very thoughtprovoking). Also I don't have a problem if you bring some of these kinds of videos, where it's less about understanding the system and more about spreading an idea.
Glad to see you making awesome videos again, keep up the good work!
AHH. A HIDDEN VIDIO! :o
that's not how this works, that's not how any of this works :D
+Ismail Sarikaya "That's not how the force works!" -Solo
I'm sorry that was too tempting
+Ismail Sarikaya I unfriend you.
" A bunch of photos you _thought_ were safe, but *_aren't_* " i feel like theres a story behind this
Phones are like glasses. You have them with you enough until you feel they are a part of you and you're diminished when you don't have it.
Walls are weak.
+Genghis Khan tell that to the vietnamese....
It is more accurate to mention that the reason laws are built atop one another is NOT just because thats how it works, but because a court deciding today's case will make use of the reasoning and discourse in a previous related case. Assuming the court today is on the same hierarchical tier, the previous case is not binding. Basically the court says "Hmm this is a tricky issue, it will take me a long time to think fully on the matter. I can cut this time down drastically by starting at what was until today considered the end of the matter"
We don't follow precedents just 'cause. We examine previous reasoning, apply it to the current context, and examine whether or not the conclusion reached should be the same given the differences in the case and in society today.
Although this places significantly more weight on the highest courts in the land getting their decisions right.
Legislation however, is not built upon other laws. Its more like an etchasketch, except you can erase parts of the image or the whole or just add to it (and then its the courts job to tell us whether its a train or a bus or a guy surfing). The only way legislation is built atop older laws is through complacency or a desire to extend rather than repeal.
Despite some faults in the reasoning (Its possible you were just trying to simplify), your conclusions are entirely accurate
I saw that thumbnail and was suddenly inspired to write a short horror story about an iPhone becoming sentient and malevolent.
"at some moment a difference of amount becomes a difference of kind". Grey is getting all Hegelian on our asses here.
Anyone else only use their phone for calling people?
I wouldn't mind someone going through my phone - there's nothing there.
Calling someone is so 80s. Use Skype.
+Unlyricallyrics
I use it to read lightnovels, watch tv or movies, keep my schedule and talk to my family through whatsapp.
Oh and watch youtube videos when on the crapper
+The Green Cactus I use skype but i don't really know how the calling with skype thing works.
Shangori
I think phones are too incredibly slow to do anything. And the screens are so small too, watching anything from them is a pain.
+Unlyricallyrics I have a nokia brick. I laugh at how attached people in my year are to their phone.
1:42 That Good Will Hunting reference tho 😂😂😂
probably the best application of the slippery slope on the internet.
appropriately, also the most terrifying moral panic.
I should probably have a physical paper ledger for important stuff as well to be safe. Losing all that info inside your phone (passwords, appointments, investments) is devastating, so it would be kind of a safety net to have a physical copy of said info.
I don't see too many people actually implanting computer chips into their brains. Would you want to live with all those god damn pop up ads appearing inside your head? Especially when you're driving?
+YourPalAL Then don't install those programs. Write your own. Do you know what prevents newcomers from learning to program the most? Syntax. Today's computers can't communicate with people easily, so we invent programming languages with consistent syntax which are then compiled into machine code. When you put chips in your head, they won't just understand your clear, English thoughts. They will understand the true meaning behind every thought you have. It won't be like English, where a sentences can be restructured, words can be replaced with hundreds of synonyms, and phrases can have completely different meanings depending on which syllable is stressed. The computer will understand you at a level beneath language. You will use the chip in your head like you use your arm. Programming languages will become a thing of the past. Sharing source code would be tricky, like trying to share music whilst being unable to read it, but one assumes a kind of telepathy could be devised with which one could convey the meaning behind programs without words.
+YourPalAL As if we'll still be driving when that happens! Self-driving cars already exist today, even if they're not in use yet for legal reasons.
Hannah Elisabeth Only if the free market accepts them, and they won't. A car that parks itself was already tried and people said "nope." In fact one of their competitors advertised their own car as made for "drivers who can park themselves." lol :p
@@SbotTV *Clap Clap
@@1984Phalanx As if this isn't massively different than that, the "self-parking cars" probably failed because not a lot of people had access AND it wasn't enough of a selling-point to replace current cars. This, on the other hand, can almost completely eliminate traffic jams, a good percentage of accidents and arguably: it can eliminate the need for current auto insurance.
The Amish have joined the chat... er public square.
“Do you remember every location at every moment of your day”
Me lying on the bed all day during the lockdown watching TH-cam: *YES*
"Giventhe choice of someone reading your mind or reading your phone. If you seriously think about it, you'd probably pick the former."
*Rickrolls them*
Yes, this is partly from reddit
"Your brain holds a tiny bit of information: much of it wrong" He said this literally as the brains bubble read "I only use 10% of my brain."
All that effort to get the hidden frame at 1:11... and i didn't get the joke.
+Chris Nihilus
Crap. Are there hidden frames in every cgpgrey video?
+Chris Nihilus that's my fetish meme
Bill Wood i.imgur.com/RspJyHy.gif
+Chris Nihilus i got the joke! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha its just for the upper intelligent people in this country... its fefenetly not for everybody! #LOLinyourownass
Thank you, Genocidal. I didn't know that meme.
about the question of choosing between my mind and my phone, I have a small rebuttal: although I forgot most things, I would still remember all the passwords, so that accessing my brain means gaining access of all of my online account on top of my phone and computer.
in the chess game example, black just blundered his queen.
*stares at old brick-shaped phone that barely sees any use*
Somehow, I don't think I should be worried about people reading my phone.
+aerendyll I use my iPhone as I used to use my old Nokia 3310, alarm clock.. and play games, I played snake on the Nokia, and on my iPhone I play slightly more modern games, but that's all, I have 10 contacts... My mom and my dad, and my sister and 7 friends... I'm not that worried, unless depressing pictures of how bad the weather is became illegal...
"Breaking news: Trump bans all climate change evidence; that includes any weather that is not sunny and clear. Enjoy your time in jail, climate change monger."
That could happen...
Whelp. I'm joining my Amish Brethren in Pennsylvania. It's been fun!
Watching this having purchased a phone literally hours ago, I can confirm that my phone has never been more than an arm's length away.
I always found some very good arguments when slippery slope didn't apply. It applies only when you cannot be even within the ballpark regarding the prediction of future events.