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- Some thoughts on teachers, students and the Future of Education.
If there's a bookish child in your life, you should get them a copy of The Way Things Work: goo.gl/QdreH
Also I don't think that the idea of Digital Aristotle is sci-fi, but if you do want to read the sci-fi version, I highly recommend The Diamond Age: goo.gl/uvbx6
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Teachers 2019: If any of you make a noise, you're all staying in here at recess.
Teachers 2020: I got kicked out of my own zoom class.
Lol, this is so true.
That's the kind of stuff that forces one to learn moderation settings. The boss of my boss realized it after his mic got muted during a MS Teams meeting... by me, unadvertently ,-(
Right after the meeting I called my bosses' boss to apologize, out of fear he could access a log or something alike company's IT implemented on Teams in order to spot pranksters o_O
i hated recess so yay
@@qtpettra same here recess sucked, i would just read
and we were forced to play outside so i would hide and read
Back here again with Khan Academy just having announced that they will be integrating GPT4 (the latest iteration of the OpenAI - GPT - model, what ChatGPT uses) as a private tutor.
The future is here!
*raises hand* Um who is programing Aristotle? Is it the Government?
The great thing about multiple teachers is (in theory) you get exposed to multiple points of view about the world. This is also the cool thing about learning through the internet. What happens when everyone is taught by only one point of view (whatever the program's is)? I suppose you can program this educational software to present various points of view, but it kind of seems like a totalitarian societies wet dream to have a state approved program teaching everyone to be good citizens. What would (for example) China's "digital Aristotle" look like?
Lmao no
This seems like a simple problem to (hypothetically) be solved by merely copy pasting the process with digital Aristotle to make digital Plato, digital Einstein ,etc. Thus introducing multiple views while keeping those dreams dry. (The real problem would be accurately capturing their thoughts and how they would handle new ones.
"It's not good enough to say there is opposition but to hear the views from the oposition".
A totalitarian state would love you to hear only its view. But a 'good' (effective) totalitarian state would LOOOOVE to control what the 'opposing' view is as well.
Digital Aristotle here isn't a pre programmed personality, it's an algorithm that pulls knowledge and teaching material from a library. While governments and the authors can determine what goes into that library the machine itself will simply pick whatever it considers best for the student in question based on statistics.
Multiple teachers don't expose you to different point of views. The curriculum is handled by whatever the given institution considers best.
Digital Aristotle is simply automizing the job the Curriculum developers for any given institution would be doing.
@@siraethelwulf8914 Algorithms (in computing) when sorting information have to have bias. That is simply how they work. A* for path finding has a bias and that's just movement.
We fall into the Nietzsche-esque philosophy where due to us not being perfect designers we will make imperfect designs so we cannot and should not put our faith into anything sole thing we build.
A teacher is more than a repository of stuff to learn. I think this is the major issue with the end of the video. Grey doesn't recognize the more social and emotional aspects of teaching which I doubt a machine is going to be able to replicate any time in the near future. The psychological impact of human interaction is going to dwarf machines for a long time to come.
Remember when edtech was going to make formal education obsolete? Pepperidge farm remembers.
IS THAT JAMES BURKE AT 2:30 ON THE TV IN THE MIDDLE?!
0:38 Like if you paused to read the speech bubble
I know in some classes I'm like come on we did this two weeks ago and in others I'm like rewind rewind.
"If this does not BLOW YOUR MIND, you have no emotion."
I would love to see a school model where digital Aristotle was the primary teacher and other teachers could guide students through physical learning, like cooking, sewing, sports, gardening, animal husbandry, and grow to a society where a physical teachers primary goal was not to get children to pass a test but to successfully learn to interact with their community and their environments.
Weird. This video was made 4 years ago, and now (I'm a tutor) there is a state mandated program for students to supplement their learning called iReady that literally channels the students pace, wherever that may be, and is completely customized to each students needs. It's only a matter of time before education evolves to the point that this is the main source of learning.
tbh we can use Digital Aristotle at a school building so that parents can have a baby sitter of some sort
"If this does not blow you mind, YOU HAVE NO EMOTION."
I love Khan.
Too bad we only use his site for the questions and not the tutorials. It makes him seem like every other teaching site.
DaddyKitty04 The videos are why I use Khan Academy over IXL
I genuinely dislike khan academy. It doesn’t fit my learning style actually. I don’t think that digital Aristotle will be for everyone actually to be honest.
Some Animal Then how do you learn?
QuickScope1597 Honestly through lectures.
RIP history channel.
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The history channel is history.
may god rest the soul to the history chanel
He didn't: there are whitepapers about it.
Grey was so optimistic about how far the technology would come in 10 years.
The technology's mostly there, AI is getting more capable by the day. Figuring out what content to curate to the student and what questions to ask them is a problem not too dissimilar to the TH-cam algorithm. The issue is that there isn't really much money in it.
No, he was too optimistic how fast the society can make use of technology.
I wish this was here right now. Some classes I find fascinating but teachers kill my will to learn the material.
I know right? Science is my favorite subject, but then the curriculum comes along, begins teaching us things we learned in fourth grade and suddenly science is the class I hate most.
The truth is: YOU DON'T find it fascinating enough !! #StopLyingToOneself
@Sebastian Plugaru, I don't know if you're joking but from in my opinion its completely possible to find a certain science interesting its completely understandable to wana shove your head through a wall after having to go through The Scientific Method for two weeks at the start of the course. Also some students learn faster or slower than others leaving some impatient and ready to move on and having others feel stressed and rushed.
+Sebastian Plugaru I recently took college precalculus, with math(s) having long been just about my favorite - and best - subjects. I had to drop out because the professor managed to combine the worst parts of what Joshua is talking about - he spent forever going over stuff we already knew and barely touched the stuff we were there to learn. And you can't accuse me of not finding math(s) interesting, either - I watch almost every video from Numberphile, and learned more from that one TH-cam channel than I have from entire semesters of math(s) class.
So yeah. I'm willing to bet that Johnny's right and you're wrong. Good evening.
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"after all schools aren't just about-" oh yes socialising is very important for children too "-freeing adults to work in the economy as they turn their feral children into civilised adults" ookay then
i mean, hes not wrong.
@@ecogreen123 He didn't claim it to be the only other reason also.
children socialized well before there were schools.
I had the exact same experience lol
Socializing the way schools do it is crap
"A is for Axiom, your home sweet home. B is for Buy 'n' Large, your very best friend..."
@@Blade.5786 What? "John Beasley?"
looks like he changed “Dread Simulator- 4K fucking your mom” to “John Beasley”
Its from wall-e
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@@awesomemantroll1088 Woah this is real weird. You seem to be replying to me,yet my original comment disappeared. Wtf TH-cam, I know you did something. If you remember what I was talking about 8 months ago, please inform me,Mr Awesome Man Troll. I'm dying to know
"This is known as... the History Channel Effect."
Shots fired.
I can just imagine in 5-19 years from now, Grey industries presenting digital Aristotle for everyone
then it turns out that the history channel is running Grey industries
5-19 thousand years from now. I do the same things as my gradma has done at her school 60 years ago and nothing seems to change
Harry Breeg if only
@@tudororza True,but 5-19 years is too little time and 5-19 thousand years is too much time. Let's just say,75-150 years
Not Grey Industries but Grey Jr industries am I right
"get 3 teachers in a room and ask them how education should be done and youll get 3000 answers" -my uncle, a teacher
"This is called the History Channel affect."
I love you.
Finally someone realizeses what happened to history channel!
Mike Markocki Plebeians are just figuring it out =p
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No, I mean the useless eaters =)
Effect not "affect".
WholeNwon Actually, it can be spelled both ways; just like how you can spell "neighbor" like "neighbour."
"If this does not blow your mind, you have no emotion."
No I just have no IQ that's all..
You have no... EQ
That's nothing to be understood intuitively, as it builds on the knowledge about complex numbers. No hard stuff at all, but nevertheless something you need to be familiar with in order to understand where this formula comes from and why it is incredibly beautiful.
you should have used the reply option and yes i know this was 2 years ago
As a college student I can honestly say that about 5 percent of my learning is in class, 70 percent is youtube and 25 percent the book. Maybe I have only had shitty teachers but the last 2 years seems like I'm paying a lot of money to teach myself. I'll be happy when I have that piece of paper.
Did you get your piece of paper?
@@cynthiamccullough3718 I did. It helped me in no way, so I went into the trades. Now I work on powerlines and make about 120k a year.
@@popofabulous Wow! That's awesome. I hope you are always able to stay safe.
@@cynthiamccullough3718 I do my best! I worked the Texas Ice Storm a few months back. No regrets about my career path and I've definitely got a ton of interesting stories to tell from doing the job haha!
@@popofabulous More of you are needed in the world.
that happened to the Discovery Channel as well, now its just a bunch of stupid dudes tunning up cars or bikes.
...and having shows about nude people outside.
And to "the learning channel"...aka TLC, which is arguably where the worst reality TV was originally born (pun intended, if you remember the show "a baby story") lol
that doesnt seem like the history channel effects, seems like discovery went to a different route to complete laziness
RIP Mythbusters
No, what about How Do They Do It
10 years later and we get GPT4. Did you think you'd be right so fast?
So...7/8 years later, still the old system
Yes and no... It's not easy to see the changes, because they take place so very slowly, but they are definitely happening.
You really think 8 years is enough to completely abolish a hundred years old institution?
The development of new things doesn't assume the abolishment of the old in succession, many school systems aren't services but profit motivated institutions, which isn't the fault of individual schools but the economic system that pervades aspects of life, the education system of many are hurt because some countries' economic system value profit over access, and intentionally push resources away from public education because it doesn't give them money, this makes education inaccessible to many without money, and it doesn't improve for the students' benefit, it only changes if it can be exploited for profit. So unless we can push for a full public education system that's motivated by the pursuit of education and not markets, we'll have to rely on secondary means of education until it is socially embraced
I quit school and im learning myself why not happened ?
Partly yes, because it's tied to the economy. But things have already changed. Given how much better educational content is on TH-cam compared to what's being taught by lecturers, I've seen people pull up concise well-edited videos of the topic, watch it, do practice problems, and get a solid understanding of the whole thing before the lecturer is even done introducing the subject. Outside of school, this is even more common with people opting to watch a few brief, clear TH-cam videos over a boring and poorly organized 2 hour lecture.
Oh you optimistic crazy person. You so underestimate the teacher's unions and ability to smash your dreams to hold onto their established models.
+Major Ramsey The real truth... :/
They probably will slow it down, but technology marches relentlessly on. It's only a matter of time (baring some kind of disaster).
+Major Ramsey Not all countries have teacher's unions. In some countries teachers can only get contracts ranging from a few months to a few years, after which they have to change schools and can only keep their careers going if they are performing well both by the school standards and the parents' standards, and only if there is enough demand. On the other hand in these places a teaching profession appears to be in higher regard and better compensated compared to USA (at least relative to the average).
Al Su Sounds good to me. What country is this?
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Fight the good fight...
"Feral children"
Loltastic.
+Dotson Carter I'm going to start using that to see if it catches on.
Lindsey S.
How has it been going?
I read that as "lolitastic". Help me.
Brian L ii
Sobsz That’s lolitastic.
We need to collectively boycott History channel until it changes it's name...
I concur
Either change the name or actually feature accurate history programs(like they use to have).
I never watched it anyway
Given their current audience, I don't think every single person watching this video boycotting the History Channel would have much effect on their view count
PendulumFTW I never have cable anyway. LOL.
I’ve learned so much information through the internet. It taught me how to program, pre-calculus, foreign languages, history, geography, and so much more.
There is but one issue.
None of it mattered, I still had to relearn it in actual school because nobody gives a damn about anything other than the piece of paper you get after high school and the piece of paper you get after college.
Real knowledge is near useless without a piece of paper saying who gave it to you.
It’s a sad world.
It's sad but understandable, if a student just said "oh, i watched *insert random education video or channel" and got a diploma without watching the dam thing, then our society would crumble if this was done on a large scale.
For that reason i find it a bit / very demotivating to go and learn some interesting things online, cause then i'll just be really bored in class
IF THIS DOES NOT BLOW YOUR MIND YOU HAVE NO EMOTION
milkerfish I don't have emotions :(
How school is now:
Everyone is on zoom
Yeah I hate it my expectations and hope was shot down really quick
or homeschooling-
Do you think Digital Aristotle could be a future version of Chat GTP?
Who is here after the release of ChatGPT?
Macbook Air-istotle
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*clap* *clap* *clap*
lol
@@leeroberts4850 tbh
Lame!
ChatGPT might be the new born Digital Aristotle!
Little-known fact, scroll to the Khan Academy footer and you can set the language to LOLcatz. I'm not kidding.
Well made point. It stands to reason that education will become optimized as time passes, similar to the way that the selection process works on a species to conform it to environmental demands, and a scientific or technological framework can enable/expedite this. The thing that I am _not_ so quick to dismiss: our innate tendency to learn from authority. I still listen to my mother; that's how I learn best.
I love it how that grey always rips the History Channel apart
Most of the top comments here oppose this idea and I'd like to address the core ideas of some of their arguments:
1) "Computers and numbers could never teach as well as a real teacher could" Although computers aren't going to be as understanding and emotional as a real teacher, I would like you to think about this. The point of the teacher is not to understand the student, the point of the teacher is to teach. Cgp Grey is totally right when he says that the teacher in a classroom full of students cannot teach all the students individually as well as a computer personalized to each students could. Most of the students fall behind, and some are too far ahead to learn everything, and a small fraction is actually learning at a good pace. As we've seen for decades teachers can't teach everyone the way they need to be taught to learn the most
2) "A computer cannot teach language" Your forgetting that computers do teach language. Although they are just as bad as public school a whole lot of students already take digital classes and learn from them, from everything from language to programming to math digital classes do help people learn(although what Cgp is suggesting here would be way better then the digital classes we have today)
3) "A computer cannot teach discipline" It is not the computers job to teach discipline its the parents job, and you have to remember that large amounts of discipline are required in normal schools today, but if everyone had a digital Aristotle and did school at home while some discipline is needed to keep the student on course there isn't nearly as much involved and to some extent computers can teach discipline even if they aren't as good as teachers
4) "I wouldn't want me or my children to be taught by a mindless robot monster" This program is not aimed to be a mindless robot monster. Modern TV and video games often show computers like this but remember all your social media including the one that's allowing you to comment on this video right now is run by "Mindless Digital Monsters" and you don't care. Modern programming isn't some mindless digital monster droning something into your brain. You must have noticed that modern social media adapts to your tastes and sees what you like, well an educational tool like this could do that too.
5) Throw as many arguments as you want at this, but step back and look at our modern educational system. Its horrible, broken in almost every way and its only ideas like digital Aristotle that can change that.
I could go on and on with this but I've made this so long that not many people will bother to read this already, but I am in full support in all or most of the things mentioned in this video! I am one of those students that often finds classes boring because I'm ahead, and you really really do feel like your being held back.
Well here are some new points. I'll keep it as short as I can.
1) "The Internet is a choice". The internet, though wonderful is apparently a choice. If anyone were the choose between tiring hours of studies and games, I think you can already guess where the majority will shift to.
2) "Boost in asocial behavior". Millennial are already as asocial as can be. This will only further it. If you think the Internet makes good friends, well I guess you haven't been reading the news on pedophilia luring children through the web or other cyber crimes in general. School is the best place to make friends. Or at least to learn.
3) "Disciplines are taught in school". Yes discipline may be parents' job but considering the attitude of many the baby boomers and the whiny spoilt millennial, schools are still the best choice for discipline. Some parents are terrible at discipline and in most cases, it is the school who teaches discipline to the children. I'm not sure about the west but in Asia, especially East Asia where I'm from. Discipline are strict and parents barely have time for their kids. You can't blame them, they're busy making money to make your life less miserable. Children then have to find their discipline in schools, from teachers.
4) "Teachers are better teachers than the internet". Although not always the case, teachers provide a better explanation than the internet. They can give you a direct answer to your questions or give you a direct source to better understand your questions and for a lazy person, you don't have to spend hours on the screen to find what you're looking for. If you haven't noticed, not everyone can learn on their own and even in old times, intellectuals spend years browsing through written information to find an definite answer to their questions. And I can promise you not much of us are willing to go that far. Most would give up half way and do other things.
5) "High dependence on technology". We're already beginning to hit the wall. We rely too heavily on our devices and hardly can many kids do without it. Take a calculator for example. (I am not against the invention of calculators fyi before you begin giving me names) A calculator is a great invention. Helps us ease our time consumed in calculating numbers, and improve its accuracy. A tremendous invention, only if used by scientists, mathematicians, and grown up in general who's too busy to fuss their time with minor calculation. But children on the other hand, do not need it. (Except university students who are not exactly kids anymore) Maths is a topic that improves our critical thinking but by allowing the children to use their calculator during maths class, they only reduce the usage of their brains. Therefore, weakening its growth.
I can rant some more about the disadvantage of a computerize education system but I'm sure not much will bother reading anyways. School is not only a place to get literal learning but also other learning as well. I don't know what kind of school is the west but from where I'm from, I learnt many things from my school even though I hated it. I do not support a computerized education system but an improvement on the educators.
Gwendolyn Peterson: Actually I think most of the objections are from teachers watching their sense of job security evaporate. ;)
I full-heartedly agree with this statement.
Loukas Frantzolas I'm not exactly sure that counts as an argument. Computers can "fake" emotions, and teachers don't really use an emotional connection to teach people.
@Paul fu
1) to that point i say thats why the school system is kept. Yes of their own volition they will keep to games but in school hours the programs will shift to education
2) cyber crimes have nothing to do with this argument and neither does sociability. We are still HAVING a school system that wasnt the argument here, we are just having a school system with a program designed to help teach us better than a regular teacher.
3) the steretype of millenials being spoilt is statistically innacurate, and we still have a school.
4) the internet under this system will have a database of every explaination teachers will give to find the most effective explanations so that is completely false
Aristotle please call me MY NIGGA
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Personally for me, there are some subjects that go too slow for me, and some subjects that go too fast. For instance, in Algebra, I understand most of it and it's easy, but then there will be one lesson I don't understand, and by the end of the lesson I still don't understand it.
+Gilda Beilschmidt Yeah I know what you mean I was doing polynomials for a couple of weeks and it was really easy until one part of it tripped me up and i still dont quite get it
did you undetstand quadratics
@@lawrencemorris2261 what's that?
Thats the same for everyone. Everyone is better at learning some stuff than at other stuff
The worst part is when the teacher asks "Any questions?"
Damn, watching this in 2021 feels odd. Khan Academy has come a long way. Gotta give props to whoever made it. Helped me a lot during online school. But I dont see an Educational Utopia, I just see my pilled up over due homework.
maybe now school has the time for programming classes, how-to-live-your-life-after-school classes and other stuff that can realy help children to find their place in the world when they grow up.
by the way, great video!
I think the purpose of teachers is not just to transfer information but also to inspire and challenge the children they're trying to educate. That, and their support, I think are crucial to a child's education.
Well this can be done better without teachers. Replacing computers with humans is nothing but a win for humanity i dont see why people are so against that. There will be a time no human will ever work for living, they would work for making humanity a better civilization so by replacing human with bots we can focus on our goal better.
I would love to see an update on this
"This is known as the 'History Channel Effect'" I completely lost it there.
So we're here, right?
I have been thinking about this video periodically since I watched it 10 years ago and I truly think that Khan Academy launching Khanmingo might finally signal that arrival of Digital Aristotle. Exciting times!
I asked ChatGPT what it thought of this video.
Me: Do you think you could be a digital Aristotle for everyone? Particularly, I'm thinking of the CGP Grey video from about 10 years ago called, "Digital Aristotle: Thoughts on the Future of Education" and I think you might be the key piece to make what he was talking about real. What do you think?
GPT: As an AI language model, my main function is to provide information and answer questions to the best of my abilities based on my training data. While I can certainly provide a wealth of information on a wide variety of topics, I am not designed to be a replacement for human teachers, mentors, or guides.
GPT: That being said, I do believe that AI and technology in general have the potential to transform education and make learning more accessible, personalized, and efficient. Digital tools like online courses, interactive simulations, and adaptive learning systems can supplement traditional teaching methods and help learners acquire knowledge and skills in new and innovative ways.
GPT: As for being a "digital Aristotle", I think that my capabilities as an AI language model can certainly be useful in the context of education. For example, I can provide students with instant feedback on their writing, help them research and analyze information on a given topic, or even generate personalized study materials based on their learning preferences and progress.
GPT: However, it's important to remember that education is about more than just acquiring information. It's also about developing critical thinking skills, creativity, communication, and a sense of curiosity and wonder about the world. These are qualities that can be fostered through human interaction, collaboration, and mentorship, and they are harder to replicate with purely digital tools.
GPT: So while I think that AI and technology have an important role to play in education, I also believe that human teachers and mentors will continue to be essential in helping learners reach their full potential.
Hey @CGP Grey, what's your thoughts about ChatGPT in this video's context?
I'd love to see him address this again after all we know about zoom education and how going digital actually drastically widened the gap between poor and rich students.
This is because tech is expensive but once we get a much easier and cheaper way to make tablets and other electronic devices, trust me, this will become global. A major change like that can't happen in 9 years without disrupting the Globel Balance.
@@billcipherproductions1789 thanks for the mansplain, dude. I'm a college professor so I'm actually in the field, working with these students. 🤷 If you think this has to do with electronics expense then you are missing the bigger picture by a country mile.
Ha, actially talking to people who work at youtube.
ha.
I assume this is why you said "cgp gray style content" huh
The pandemic really really shifted the perspective on this. 1. Schools are desperately needed for children to socialize. 2. Being stuck at home reduces attention, is psychologically taxing, and can keep students in bad situations for much more of the day. 3. Learning and teacher-student relationships are best achieved in-person, no matter how interactive the technology is. 4. A computer and the internet can stop working for no reason, but people only stop working for a reason, never randomly without cause.
Aside from pandemic-related reasons, until algorithms can simulate endless human semantics, an in-person teacher will be (at least on average) better at and more available to provide explanations needed for student comprehension.
Schools only became essential for socializing because they pushed away other forms of socialization in favor of a coerced indoctrinating environment.
what about kids learning tointeract with other people
We need teachers. Period. A 10 year old with a tablet with wi-fi will sure as shit not sit and do calculus.
exactly. need human interaction as well as most of the poeple on this planet have not that high of a discipline to sit and study without a push.
The idea would be that the tablet would be running this digital aristotle and the child could only do calculus on the tablet not anything else (ie. browse the web or play games which current computers and tablets in schools do)
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All by himself? You think a child has the discipline to do that?
No, but im agreeing with what grey said, there will be LESS teachers
Yeah, the digital Aristotle only helps with one specific aspect of teaching: the raw acquisition of knowledge. But teachers aren't just there to give facts and subsequently tests, they're there to motivate, and inspire the students to want to learn. Most kids don't inherently see the value in learning something that isn't immediately practical, and motivated teachers help kids overcome that urge of just giving up, something I can see becoming more and more important as digital distractions increase.
The digital Aristotle will free up teachers to purely focus on the philosophy of learning, on sparking interest in the students rather than spending countless hours devising teaching plans and tests, but we will still be needing teachers, just one with a more focused job description. Not to mention giving the kids an authority figure to bounce their ideas and questions off.
A Teacher isn't simply someone who says the facts and leaves, they interac with the students, make sure that they are actually learning and are always there for everything that may be required, be it a question or something else.
Great video! I think you deal with many of the problematic issues that plague education historically and today. Your solution is interesting and, I think, has great potential. The one thing you forget about is that children are humans and not floating heads (a common error when dealing with education). We need teachers (though possibly fewer as you suggest) because teaching as about relationship, not content. Teachers will always be need to help children find what they need/want to learn and to think critically about sources.
You make great thought provoking videos. Thank you.
Can’t believe this video is almost a decade old! And still applies. It would be nice to see an updated version.
ChatGPT: Hey
Tragically TH-cam is now also suffering the same fate of intellectual corruption of as The History Channel did.
There was one huge problem in this, is student motivation and monitering against student distraction
Yep, the students who can't understand this lesson because they're missing knowledge they should already have 0:44 were probably playing with their iphones in the previous lessons and are about to start playing with them again in this lesson... and that's with a real live teacher stood there trying to stop them playing with their iphones.
You know how parental controls work right? Something similar can be done for school computers if the teacher enters the right code to put the class into learn mode.
If the students would rather sacrifice their education than endure the supposedly “engaging” lessons, then perhaps that says more about the curriculum and school system than the students’ discipline. If you have to resort to using measures like confiscating phones and parental controls, you have already failed at creating an engaging and well-structured system. In fact, often times discipline and a lack of education go hand and hand, indicating a loose guidance and incentive system is better than the more traditional methods implemented today.
@@joinedupjon If the class was interesting enough, the students would not use their iphones to keep their brains engaged. Too bad the class is shit lol.
@@comradecat5057 Yeah, but even if you're the most inquisitive pupil out there, from time to time you got one of these days where you're just not in the mood for anything - even more so if you entered puberty. Plus for almost everyone there are those subjects they're just not on fire for.
Engagement and incentives ain't everything. Sometimes learning simply requires work.
2:26 IM RICK HARRISON AND THIS IS MY PAWN SHOP
Harambe died for you, and this is your "sacrefice"? Shame.
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Reading this made me tired, time to rest.
JonatasAdoM can you explain it?
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Im really loving your videos and exploring them. Though Id ask for a digital Hank and John Green.
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I watched this a couple years ago, saw it in my reccomended and realized between the last time I watched it and now I've been both the student ahead, the student for who it's the right pace and the student who's behind.
same situation here
9 years later 😑
Here we are approaching 4 years from this videos release, are we much closer? Has there been any more signs that such changes in education are happening or going to happen?
As a current High School student, no.
4 years might be optimistic. 10? maybe. 50? definitely. it will take a radical shift; the structure of schools is entrenched in society; we'd have to change how we fund them, train people for them, and test from them, etc.
It'd take either a radical event (like a war economy or something, or massive protests in the streets) or a long time. And i dont really see protests happening lol, its not that big or serious. so...decades in the future, maybe
schools in the US especially will never change, unless its an elite private school, they teach you whats going to be on a test to make them look good, tahts where the rest of the world is superior
Nie tutaj hey my highschool had fuck all, they had shit for poutine, SOME salad shit and pizza, that was about it
I am taking all of my University courses completely online now, and I get to read textbooks and watch TH-cam videos to learn the material at home. The only thing that I have to leave home for is Invigilated Exams, but even then they now have an option to Invigilate exams through online monitoring, where you set up a camera so your invigilator can watch you do your exam. I don't know if this was possible 5 years ago, but it's been possible for me to do Grades 1-12 and all of college/university from home.
The crappy part about this concept is, is that I can go to these sites and learn about everything possible but that's not something I can put on a resume. Companies don't care if you got you education from the internet. To them if you don't have a piece of paper saying you're educated , you're not educated.
How about start your own company? Because even if you presented that piece of paper and were hired, chances are layoffs aren't too far away =)
Rotun Duh
Because that totally works and won't lead to almost certain bankruptcy in todays world, leaving you with even more debts than before? Unless you have a groundbreaking idea, new companies are pretty much doomed to fail. Sorry, but what worked 50 years ago doesn't work today anymore.
I think you're talking about opening a food service business. In which case you're correct, that would lead to certain bankruptcy.
This is a case in which those for-profit universities actually fill a need. You can buy a degree.
Maybe education is about more than getting a job.
Here is how history classes worked in my school: I was doing all the research that I needed, if any, before the class, and then was just trolling the teacher by asking uncomfortable questions (for example, about the percentage of population eligible to vote in the enlightened USA just after the revolution versus that in the undemocratic Ancient Athens).
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It's 2019.
Nothing happened :(
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It's 2020. Things have happened....
Just wait
There are way too many assumptions made in this video based on unrealistic ideas. You can't try to predict the future in such a manner like this. What if I go and say, "Well, in the future, you can just install a computer chip in your brain and you'll learn everything ever known to mankind?" I could argue that this is a reality and there are scientists working on it (indirectly) but that doesn't mean that it is the future or it will happen. I liked this video, but it was pointless.
It's not an assumption. It's a theory.
You know what? You can say that, you literally just did. Nothing happened to you when you said that. Now I know that was an example but the same amount of things happen when you say that as an example as when you say it seriously, nothing important. Also he did give examples, he gave the site that is a base for what you should know. And This isn't pointless, now everyone who watched this know of a possible thing that will happen in time and something people should possibly work towards.
buddy there is this thing called an algrethum i know i spelled it wrong what ever this thing helps with your assumption issue and makes life easier you have already used one, companies that use them are google, yahoo, microsoft, apple, youtube, and a crap ton others also people are working on it if not it will happen.
First of all, he made NO assumptions. He was not saying this WILL happen. He said he thinks it will happen, as in a stated opinion. Second, it's almost inevitable that we WILL incorporate artificial computing into our biological brains someday, if technology continues to progress as it is, though downloading everything known to mankind is stupid because most of human history was not recorded. Third, you're just telling people not to look to the future which would basically put a stop to human progress. In conclusion, don't be a tard ;)
catbert7 "in conclusion, don't be a tard ;)" I'm not going to debate a 6 year old.
I love your videos CGP, but this one is different.
What you show with digital Aristotle is smart robots making other smarts robots out of humans. Excluding art and all of its branches -there goes my life-, your digital Aristotle could never be as good a teacher as a good teacher could be.
For one, a computer program could never engage you and make something you think is dull, interesting. The other clear problem is relevance paradox. Something might be interesting to you, but you don't know it even exists because it is so different from everything else you enjoy no one would even suggest it to you.
For example, I was drawn to computers as a young child, I fancied math and physics and those were my favorite classes. Growing up art was something you were forced to do in school. If it wasn't for an opportunity to dabble in 3d animation, I would have been a programmer or some sort of technician by now.
A teacher is so much more then just provider of knowledge.
1st. Humans already ARE technically really smart robots (to the best of my knowledge.) The only thing separating us from actual computers is our biological design and our spark of irrationality also known as imagination.
2nd. Any sort of intelligently designed education system would include introductory courses into all subjects, assigning hybrid classes (like 3D animation) based on the areas you excel at.
Sam Dailey To say that humans are a bit more than smarts robots is putting it mildly.
There are plenty of subjects a young person would stubbornly not even take a look at, thinking he knows best, but might change mind if he did. I know this personally :)
I think that projects like digital Aristotle will undoubtedly have large and positive impact on education, we're still going to be needing teachers. I don't see a way around that.
I think you're missing the point of the broadcast aspect of videos. The digital teacher would play you videos, then test you on your knowledge or supply supplemental things such as exercises or problems (homework). Then learn what types of videos you learn best from. The program would determine your learning style, and how to best teach you and at what pace. It could learn how often you need breaks, how often to change subjects to keep you engaged and interested, and so on.
You still have very interesting and engaging people like Michael from Vsauce or CGP Grey who teach the bulk of the actual material and engage the students, and of course he mentions teachers floating around the classrooms that would assist as needed, likely taking care of technical issues with the equipment, changing settings to the program, proctoring exams, and putting together real world activities. I still think that high talented educators should be present at least a few days a month to introduce new subjects and perhaps allow direct interaction with students answer questions and interact directly with them. Also video producers could pre-record answers to common questions and software with speech recognition (which at this point is pretty much as good as humans) could parse those questions and bring up relevant replies.
You might even pull from many different educators. I could see Michael from Vsauce coming up to answer a question about cell division beginning his recorded answer, "I got this one guys, hey there! I'm glad you asked about microtubules..." If there was a question that didn't have an answer recorded the student could be directed to a knowledge base or wiki or pull from the teachers. Heck we could even use face to face video chatting for things like this, one on one interaction when it's needed from an expert on the subject. Teachers could even start to be very well paid and require excellent people skills, as there would be far less of them since most of the teaching would be done by the programs and videos. At least that's the vision I see.
Then again I'm with Grey, I can't wait for the singularity so we can hopefully meld with our machines and knowledge can simply be downloaded, of course we should be taught scientific principles and to always keep our minds open to new "manually obtained" information and how to apply that to what was downloaded, make adjustments to our understanding and be willing to throw out information that has been invalidated, and of course always be testing what we know to be true.
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I'm not saying that the factor that separates man from machine isn't HUGE I'm just saying that it is an actual, quantifiable difference which, with proper understanding could be bridged to some extent
Also, I don't understand why you stated your earlier opinion when I already came up with a solution for this. Were you just affirming it's validity, or are you saying that the introductory courses wouldn't be enough to determine their level of aptitude or interest?
Personally, computer programs engage me way more than most (if not all) of my teachers.
…as long as it's not made by Microsoft or Apple and is non-proprietary software. (Actually Apple do occasionally release non-proprietary stuff like CUPS.)
CowLunch Apple didn't start CUPS, so they kinda had to keep it open. They use it in their BSD-based OS X though.
David Chipman I see, didn't know that.
Yes, it's used in Linux distributions too.
+CowLunch So a Government owned project? That's not much better though xD
+Drew Ivan eighter google or improvements by kahn academy. Google has been open-sourcing a ton on stuff like TensorFlow and they have been focusing on improving humanity significantly more, regardless of profit.
as a person being educated, the programmer part doesn’t exist
Those people who had Grey as a teacher were extremely lucky
Literally chatGPT
Sounds interesting, but I can't take TH-cam seriously because there are some serious problems with what they already have going, yet alone, what they plan to accomplish...
"they" "they" "they"
Please stop generalizing people on TH-cam as the same people who share the same goals. After all, you don't have "their" goals and what you have already going with "them."
As someone with a learning difference who seriously struggles in school and who's been continuously falling behind more and more these past few years, I am seriously looking forward to this concept.
In my particular case, I mean ADHD. I say "learning difference" instead of "learning disorder" because in my personal opinion, and also in the opinion of many ADHD-having public figures, there's nothing actually intrinsically wrong with having ADHD. It can actually be seen as an advantage in many ways, since it comes with a lot of cool mental things other than a typically shorter attention span (like hyperfocus and increased creativity), and the only unfortunate thing about it is that the school system SUPER does not favour you, therefore I can't really fare well in an environment not designed for my time of brain. Basically what it means I'm drawing a line between learning "disorder" and learning "difference" and upholding the opinion that what I have is simply a difference, as opposed to something wrong with me. Does this answer your question? :)
Haha! Sorry if that was a long, rambly answer. Basically, the idea that education is a one-size-fits-all model is not something I believe in, so the idea proposed in this video is really cool
As an Autistic who has lost out on several years of maths, I would absolutely love for this to become a thing in some form during my years in school.
Here's hoping that Digital Aristotle is accessible, unlike so much of the internet :\
Unfortunately this isn't coming in your life time.
There’s one more challenge that you didn’t mention. How do we get every kid to want to learn topic X? Even Aristotle needed a pupil that saw the value in learning.
I hope these will be more accurate than Aristotle.
+Josh Adams Oh come on, all your phisics will be screwed up just alike between 2000 years
+Seth Heristal It already is screwed up, and we're acutely aware of how ridiculously screwed up it is. But at the same time, as broken as our understanding of physics may be, it works pretty fucking well for nearly everything a human needs to be concerned with. Newton's laws were wrong as well, but they're still a useful tool for doing quick and simple calculations that result in answers accurate enough for almost all large-scale phenomena.
I think this is great, but students need humans and human interaction, you need a human teacher and fellow students to become social and learn more about other peoples values and beliefs. Because video classes on Muslim theology might teach you what they tend to believe, but not every Muslim follows that particular doctrine. but just implementing this in classes, having supervising teachers who can double as psycologists over a smaller group of childeren (Say a class of 10-15) might be the future of Education.
***** It's only a matter of time before an AI can also do social things. It's not a matter of "if" it's a matter of "when".
+digitalVipar That last sentence reminds me of a terrible documentary about Zombie Apocalypse.
Sebas Manders firstly people arent going to look at a class in theology and assume all attributes of a doctorine translate into practice by all members. Thats not hard to grasp implicitly. Secobdly there will be ample human interaction for a while and school itself likley wont go away, but if machines become advanced enough to get rid of the need for school as we know it, cultural understanding will be the least of anyones concern.
2019 now and still ain't happen :( school is so slow to make a move. BUT YOU CAN GET A FREE MONTH TRIAL AT SKILLSHARE. Hmm, too much influenced by those sponsors lol.
The thing we got was horrid and I I wish we never got it
Structured education with some pressure is still necessary.
Especially the teaching regarding to Linguistic abilities and mathematics, perhaps also ethics and general social science. Some system must be in place, to make sure kids can't press the skip button and ditch any of these courses.
Why?
Colin Broadwater Society can't function properly if you have too many people need to count their fingers to do their maths, or people can't read or write properly, which hinders communication. Agree?
+Derrick Liu Wouldn't the people have to be able to read and write properly or be able to do basic addition to be able to pass the tests?
I think digital aristotle only works if you are self-motivated. And the government is very risk averse and even though he claims its cheaper than current schools its still expensive to switch systems which is why you see some government offices still using punch card machines and type writers instead of fancy laptops.
My teacher said that even if nowadays you can learn from internet there are so much distractions that you will need strong motivation,
And she said how different it is as teacher and an educator, she said that teacher makes you smart, educator makes you educated, teacher gives you knowledge to solve life's problems, educator gives you moral advice on how to solve life's problems
both are equally needed for the goodness of a person
Smart but not good you will be evil that make others suffers
Good but not smart you will be outsmarted by the above guy
Education cannot leave behind human emotional interconnection. Teachers don’t teach knowledge, more importantly they teach students the significance of learning the “what does it all mean”. Humans are meaning creating organisms, without that touch, all knowledges are meaningless. Digital Aristotle might be able to teach the knowledge but I doubt it would be able to teach the meaning of learning, since the action of meaning-giving is something quite human-only. Even the idea of digital Aristotle is an act of human giving meaning to our society development and try to see what’s best for the future. An digital Aristotle who’s able to replace teachers would only be possible when he’s also able to care humanity as much as humans do.
"If this does not blow your mind, you have no emotion" funniest shit ever from a Khan Academy instructor
"[School is responsible for] turning feral children into civilized adults." I know you probably said this partly in jest, but I take issue with it. In many ways, I think school is actually oppressive to children. Humans aren't meant to sit in place for 6+ hours every day, and the rigidity of the curriculum and schedules leaves no room for creativity. The only place they can really "be a kid" is on the playground, which gets taken away from them around 6th or 7th grade. Not to mention, a lot of people eventually drop out of public school and DON'T become productive members of society. These issues make the education problem even more complex, and I don't think it will be solved by a personal Aristotle. It's a great idea for sure, but it doesn't solve all the major problems with public education.
A school that steadfastly promotes regular physical activity instead of sitting around, allow children more playground time to exert themselves, and improve drop out rates, why hasn't anyone wished for that before?
Can we expect to see that in our life time?
Not to mention that one of functions of schools is to provide an environment for socialization of the students. Arguably the most vital thing a school can teach us is how to interact with the teachers and students around us; this will lay the foundation for dealing with authority, acceptable public behaviour and so on.
Robert Corregan it is meant to do this but it does not facilitate that purpose. Where else must you ask permission to pee? Where else must you ask permission to speak? Where else must you sit still for hours while someone orders you around? Unless you want a future in the army what is this preparing you for?
LegoGirl1990 Yes I have. I was never ordered to remain completely silent, never had to ask permission to go to the bathroom yes someone ordered me around but the other points still stand. In addition, I also have problems with the worker-boss dynamic that jobs create so don't even get me started on that.
Coming from the standpoint of a parent with more than two children - this is unfortunately true in today's economy. I don't know what you expect these kids to do or where to go all day - but they need to learn things, most parents don't have the resources or training to replace the role of a teacher, yet.
In theory I agree with you - perhaps in a utopian society or at least one further in the future where the internet can largely replace the role of the traditional teacher - but in the real world.. drastic, drastic changes would be required on almost every level. I like where CGP Grey is going with this one.
And here we are almost 10 years later. You can use the internet to learn about any subject you want, so long as you understand the internet enough to know where to find reliable information.
This is what I've learned so far from youtube so far:
To type using 10 fingers on keyboard
To play guitar
To make scripts. When I was student I used to make and sell personalized scripts for some online MMORPGs. Both bot farming and pvping.
To pass my business economics exam(B) even though I've not been in a single lecture.
Day trading! This one been most useful so far.
I'm currently learning Spanish much more effectively through a mobile app in 6 months than I did In two years in high school. Other things, like teachers feeling fatigued and overworked, thus not being about to do their job will be a thing of the past as well.
The problem is, when I was 12 if someone didn't make me work, I didn't work.
What about learning stuff that interested you?
Oops I’m 13 right now and that’s exactly how I feel.
Then don't work, and then see where that gets you. Live and learn. Experiment. If you don't work, what's the worst thing that's gonna happen? Yeah you'll get to do it double, and so what did you learn? You should do the homework if you value your time and your wrist.
Do you think Digital Aristotle would be some strange bubble of isolation where there would be no human around to make sure you're working? Yeesh, I don't know where people are getting these strange ideas.
Because of the internet, I've learned more than Aristotle ever could.
I've become more powerful than any philosopher has ever dreamed of.
I think that having some sort of program like this would be huge for students with Asperger's or similar conditions, such as myself. Not only has it been difficult for me to do as well in school as I'd like to do because I've always been ahead of my peers intellectually, but I also have had a difficult time doing homework, especially with assignments that involve a crapload of writing. Having an individualized teaching program like this would increasingly help people like me use their different neurological setup as an asset instead of seeing it as a hindrance.
plug chatgpt into a library
I would love to see the updated version of this video someday.
as with any program there will be people who will deliberatly exploit it for their own gains
Not if it's mandatory by law, just like ... say ... taxes. You either go to the mandatory (free) school and learn or go to jail and proceed to do manual labor for the state to pay off your violation, while still going to the mandatory (free) school ... in jail.
Dominiq I mean that there will be people who will find ways to basicly cheat the system for various outcomes, with real life human lecturer u cant cheat as easily but if u will hack into such program the possibilities are huge. This is the reason why we dont have computerized voting in any country in the world, because there will be people who will find ways to abuse it
Brazil has computerized voting.
Maybe you can cheat in computerized tests, but tests and approval were never about grades. They are a way to see which are the students who couldn't keep up with the pace that may need to try again and maybe learn more before having that skill demanded of them (of course, there are also problems with how skills are weighted in the educational system, but that's another topic).
What happens is that many professors have dealt with cheating so much they often don't even care anymore. And the loss is entirely on the students, because everything just goes on getting more complex and if you are used to cheating you will find yourself with years worth of stuff to understand from scratch before you can take the simplest tech job. And after all, not much would change if the program simply allowed the student to cheat on the tests - the student is approved, effectively wasting the entire time he spent "studying" because he knows little more than someone who never studied at all.
Well you can cheat in a test soooo...
Sorry! Can't watch your video to the end. Have to go watch the latest flat earth upload.
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Remember to watch at least 3 hours of History Channel before going to bed. Also remember to always wear your tin foil hat
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This is a interesting discussion and an exciting image of the future. I have a four year old and a seven year old. I am not capable of being a teacher, but I do have a lot of ideas I wish I could incorporate into my children's education. Something like this would allow me to have a hand in molding the direction and topics of my girls education. Hopefully it would help me know when I could do the most good and when I shouldn't help. It would be fantastic to see a system like this available in the near future. I would love to have my children free from traditional school, allowing us to explore and grow together but not letting my children get behind in essential areas. My greatest concern if I was to homeschool my kids would be my inability to keep up in areas where I am weak. I am fortunate enough that I can afford to have my children involved in after-school activities and clubs so I believe that I could minimize the isolation that I see many home schoolers fall into. If I could have a personal tutor that allowed me to be involved to maximize my effectiveness while keeping my children on course, they would be out of public school tomorrow.