This is a great video...until the end. The children are NOT the real victims of paternity fraud. The men forced to pay for children that are not theirs are the real victims.
If men are the face of victims nothing will change. Sorry but yeah we do need to use think of the children argument that is how you get people to actually care.
Of course, men are victims of paternity fraud but why not acknowledge that children are paternity fraud victims as well? The child's best and only interest in paternity establishment lies in finding their biological father. Children need to know who their biological fathers are and have the opportunity to establish a relationship with him and his extended family. Children need to know their medical history. The child never asked for the wrong person to be named as the father and to be designated as the child support obligor. And no civilized society should teach young children that lies and deceit is the pathway to success in our courts and in our lives.
@@WomenAgainstPaternityFraud at 5:52 it is stated, "The children are the real victims in paternity fraud." Stated in this way, and using the definite article as you use it, the sentence clearly implies that the men are not really victims of paternity fraud. In fact, both children AND men are real and genuine victims of paternity fraud.
Damion Copeland You are crazy. Women can not be responsible for ANYTHING. Because of feminism. Women’s rights can not ever be coupled with responsibilities...
Ramunas 71 again dumb ass comment that’s not part of the constitution. All a law suit takes is 20 dollars and the person u sue is the agency and potentially her.
The bottom line is......Any father, as long as he pays and keeps the state off the hook, is acceptable. The law will believe anything a woman says, and use archaic and completely unfair laws to keep you paying, even if you prove it's not your kid.
You have to understand it's not that they believe the woman. They just want someone to pay for the child and anyone will do that they have the slightest chance to pin it on. This is why they continued it when shown proof to the contrary like DNA tests.
Eligibility for receipt of federal funds under TANF and under the incentive formula depends only on tagging the largest possible amount of men. There is no review or requirement that it be the right man.
If the woman chose to be without the father, and the courts grant soul custody of the child to the mother, then the woman should have to take the full financial burden of the child. If the man in the relationship isn't the father, he should have no financial obligation to the child. Also, you want to stop paternity fraud, take away no fault divorce.
Politicians and especially family court employees (esp. judges) should be held responsible for knowingly harming citizens. This should include any and all the ways non-custodial parents and victims of fraud are subject to.
I've been hearing about paternity fraud for 20 years now. I'm hoping that there's been some improvement since then because it seems like it's an easy fix with a DNA test.
ABBAGIL? The Federal and STATE regs are stacked against the paternity tests because of loss of money to their systems. And ALL too many judges will never believe or listen to common sense when it is CLEAR that a particular man is NOT the father of a child.
The fact is they know they're wrong but if they admit it the State loses money. They also know that there is no accountability on this issue, even if it's uncovered they knowingly did the wrong thing there is no punishment for this.
You have to remember is that the judges are bound by law; although you see some of them legislating from the bench in other areas Nothing happens until someone bitches
I think that you need not quibble with anyone over identifying the "real" victims of paternity fraud. Injustice is simply an injustice, no matter how the DNA cookies fall. Those facts may vary widely from case to case. I am just profoundly grateful that you have taken your analysis of this legally complex but morally simple activity to a level of patient and meticulous status awareness.
The old societal model was: A young woman would trade her youth and fertility exclusively to only one man, and he in turn would be the workhorse and take care of her when she gets past her prime. This was a great incentive for men to work, become men, and get married. You got a prize, a young beautiful loyal wife. In theory, as we know life isn't perfect. She does him a favor early on by being a virgin/exclusive and later he does her a favor by staying and supporting her instead of leaving her for a younger woman. They both get a prize. The new societal model is: Women whore around and waste their youth and fertility on Chad/Tyrone, get walled out, get STDs, lose their ability to pair bond, rapidly accelerate their aging process with excessive alcohol and fast food, and have no loyalty to any man. What sensible man would pay top dollar for something 30 other men got for free? The incentive for men is gone. You don't get a prize anymore. You get a parasite with an entitlement mentality that’s looking to take your resources and then some. Before you even say “I do” at the altar, she’s already plotting how to financially rape you in family court when she divorces your sorry ass in a few years. Why do you think she’s smiling as she’s walking down the aisle? You're expected to pay a premium price for a used up, beaten up, soulless woman from the bargain basement bins of some store in the hood with the morals of an alley cat, an in denial, freak of nature, pathologically delusional, self-esteem deficient, morally bankrupt, bottom dwelling, blood sucking, inhuman, creature of the night, bitch on wheels, spawned from the seed of Satan, and a boil on the buttocks of the world. When she dies, the last living reminder of hell will be gone from the face of the earth. She has kids from Chad/Tyrone or both, personal credit card debt, no assets, school debt for a worthless degree in liberal arts or gender studies, no cooking skills and no desire to learn any, no fiscal responsibility, an overly banged vagina, and a pet you’ll be expected to take care of as well. And you're supposed to be happy about this opportunity to lick up the scraps from the floor. The so-called good men she wants and can’t find are out there. They just don’t want her at the table because she has nothing to bring except financial and emotional pain. When women say, "Men are only after one thing". Meaning sex. My question to them is, do you have anything else to offer. Crickets is all I hear. Which means even they don't believe they have anything else to offer. In addition, she also has great expectations you’ll do everything for her, make her feel better, and provide an unrealistic unsustainable life style she feels she deserves because she read about it some feminazi magazine article that hates men. All this while she cheats behind your back with the “bad boys” she really wants while you’re at work paying all the bills for this little parasite. Women don’t “love men”, they love what men can do for them. Where are all the great art works female artists have created, inspired by their love of men? Yea, that sounds like a good deal, is this the line I stand in to lose half my sh!t? Good luck with that. Men are waking up and realizing this system is defective and toxic. Women's sexual liberation, feminism and the birth control pill, have ironically dis-empowered women. They are throwaway sexual objects now more than ever.
To maximize child support collections, the federal government requires each state to have paternity establishment procedures. Federal law establishes a target of paternity establishment in ninety percent of cases. Failure to meet the target subjects the states to improvement requirements and penalties. In addition, Congress has provided states with the highest paternity establishment rates with bonus or incentive payments. With billions of dollars of federal TANF funds and incentive payments at stake, states have tremendous incentives to pursue high rates of paternity establishments. While nothing in federal law requires or authorizes establishing paternity against the wrong man, there is also nothing in federal law that prohibits or penalizes tagging the wrong man. Therefore, states are hugely incentivized to establish paternities, and one man will serve as well as any other.
The real question here is why parents(mothers) allow the gov to steal child support that they are not legally allowed to sign away rights to?(mother is not allowed to sign away the child's right to receive child support so why is it legal for the Gov to come in and say they can sign it away to receive welfare?) i can see it if they gov deducts what they would pay "extra" for the child per month but the rest of the child support should go directly to the child and not be used to subsidize what the mother is entitled to receive as welfare herself,,, this is theft from the child to subsidize the mothers welfare plain and simple and should be considered illegal.....
That Governor maybe one of the fathers of these children, fears if he is caught as one of the father of the children whom someone else supporting financially, refused to pass the law. He may lose his fun as well. (Example: like Bill Clinton). As an Attorney, perhaps he may have league of Lawyers involved.
What are your thoughts on comparing "Blood Test" from 25 years ago, prior to DNA related to paternity cases. Has there been any such cases found to be negative results, with new DNA technology as compared to old blood only testing? This would be more directed to cases of Blood" test only where the father initiated "Blood" test request of the State.
That Grey Davis should've been chased out of California for vetoing a bill that would've saved a lot of men from paying out money for a child that's not their's.
how bout the adverse effect of men choosing not to sign documents at the hospital concetning their children due to the fear of child support reciprocity. causing animosity between father and family at the onset of birth
I wish every young woman in that state would put the names of the State Rep as their child father n take them to court for child support.. oh how I wish this... Let's see how the so called law handles that
All the women that are married to guys that are having to pay Child support when they are pregnant then they should name all the guys that are stopping to bills to pass or the guys working at the NCS and they will change the law faster when they have to pay Child support if it’s not their kids. Name judges, clarks, name any guys that work in NCS and use their systems against them and they change it faster then you can say give me your cash for child support.
I enjoyed watching your video today and I think that a women should not be able to just put any MAN’S name on her child’s birth certificate without knowing the true name of the man that got her pregnant
I need some help. I am a VICTIM of paternity fraud. Yes. A mother AND A victim of paternity fraud. It CAN happen to women and where is our protection?!
Dear authors of this video and the viewers of this video: women CAN NOT BE ACCOUNTABLE for anything. Paternity fraud is a problem and fault of men. All men. It must be resolved by taxing any unsuspecting man or all the men in the country. Currently women are the victims of paternity fraud, because in case the father is not established, tax-payer women are forced to pay for the support of the child. This is highly unfair, I suggest to consider a legal means to forcefully terminate such children to save women victims. Have a good day/night/life.
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My suggestion is to assign your favorite congressman or woman as the father, and let the games begin.
This is a great video...until the end. The children are NOT the real victims of paternity fraud. The men forced to pay for children that are not theirs are the real victims.
This appears to be the one FACT that even sympathetic voices choose to disregard.
If men are the face of victims nothing will change. Sorry but yeah we do need to use think of the children argument that is how you get people to actually care.
They're BOTH the victim ya dumbass.
Stop actin like a bitch and hogging all the Victimology for your own group :p
Of course, men are victims of paternity fraud but why not acknowledge that children are paternity fraud victims as well? The child's best and only interest in paternity establishment lies in finding their biological father. Children need to know who their biological fathers are and have the opportunity to establish a relationship with him and his extended family. Children need to know their medical history. The child never asked for the wrong person to be named as the father and to be designated as the child support obligor. And no civilized society should teach young children that lies and deceit is the pathway to success in our courts and in our lives.
@@WomenAgainstPaternityFraud at 5:52 it is stated, "The children are the real victims in paternity fraud." Stated in this way, and using the definite article as you use it, the sentence clearly implies that the men are not really victims of paternity fraud. In fact, both children AND men are real and genuine victims of paternity fraud.
Damn, women holding women accountable? I never thought I’d see the day.
You don't. It's all talk.
The truth is the truth. Whether it hurts a child or not, whethr it is convenient or not, it is the truth.
The women who commit this fraud should be prosecuted and sued for recoupment of the funds, legal fees and other damages.
Damion Copeland You are crazy. Women can not be responsible for ANYTHING. Because of feminism. Women’s rights can not ever be coupled with responsibilities...
Ramunas 71 again dumb ass comment that’s not part of the constitution. All a law suit takes is 20 dollars and the person u sue is the agency and potentially her.
The bottom line is......Any father, as long as he pays and keeps the state off the hook, is acceptable. The law will believe anything a woman says, and use archaic and completely unfair laws to keep you paying, even if you prove it's not your kid.
You have to understand it's not that they believe the woman. They just want someone to pay for the child and anyone will do that they have the slightest chance to pin it on. This is why they continued it when shown proof to the contrary like DNA tests.
Eligibility for receipt of federal funds under TANF and under the incentive formula depends only on tagging the largest possible amount of men. There is no review or requirement that it be the right man.
This is a scary & dangerous precedent...wow
List each jurisdiction state by state that ignores DNA paternity test results.
If the woman chose to be without the father, and the courts grant soul custody of the child to the mother, then the woman should have to take the full financial burden of the child. If the man in the relationship isn't the father, he should have no financial obligation to the child. Also, you want to stop paternity fraud, take away no fault divorce.
Politicians and especially family court employees (esp. judges) should be held responsible for knowingly harming citizens. This should include any and all the ways non-custodial parents and victims of fraud are subject to.
I've been hearing about paternity fraud for 20 years now. I'm hoping that there's been some improvement since then because it seems like it's an easy fix with a DNA test.
ABBAGIL? The Federal and STATE regs are stacked against the paternity tests because of loss of money to their systems. And ALL too many judges will never believe or listen to common sense when it is CLEAR that a particular man is NOT the father of a child.
The fact is they know they're wrong but if they admit it the State loses money. They also know that there is no accountability on this issue, even if it's uncovered they knowingly did the wrong thing there is no punishment for this.
You have to remember is that the judges are bound by law; although you see some of them legislating from the bench in other areas
Nothing happens until someone bitches
Thank you for recognizing and voicing a very serious issue for men (and children).
Just stay calm and #MGTOW!
Monk mode😎
MGTOW
I was put into slavery over his decision wow...
This damages children mentally and destroys families in the long-run
I think that you need not quibble with anyone over identifying the "real" victims of paternity fraud. Injustice is simply an injustice, no matter how the DNA cookies fall. Those facts may vary widely from case to case.
I am just profoundly grateful that you have taken your analysis of this legally complex but morally simple activity to a level of patient and meticulous status awareness.
Good. You can pay for my kid then, right?
This is exactly why I don't mess with women anymore. To much risk
The old societal model was:
A young woman would trade her youth and fertility exclusively to only one man, and he in turn would be the workhorse and take care of her when she gets past her prime. This was a great incentive for men to work, become men, and get married. You got a prize, a young beautiful loyal wife. In theory, as we know life isn't perfect. She does him a favor early on by being a virgin/exclusive and later he does her a favor by staying and supporting her instead of leaving her for a younger woman. They both get a prize.
The new societal model is:
Women whore around and waste their youth and fertility on Chad/Tyrone, get walled out, get STDs, lose their ability to pair bond, rapidly accelerate their aging process with excessive alcohol and fast food, and have no loyalty to any man. What sensible man would pay top dollar for something 30 other men got for free? The incentive for men is gone. You don't get a prize anymore. You get a parasite with an entitlement mentality that’s looking to take your resources and then some. Before you even say “I do” at the altar, she’s already plotting how to financially rape you in family court when she divorces your sorry ass in a few years. Why do you think she’s smiling as she’s walking down the aisle?
You're expected to pay a premium price for a used up, beaten up, soulless woman from the bargain basement bins of some store in the hood with the morals of an alley cat, an in denial, freak of nature, pathologically delusional, self-esteem deficient, morally bankrupt, bottom dwelling, blood sucking, inhuman, creature of the night, bitch on wheels, spawned from the seed of Satan, and a boil on the buttocks of the world.
When she dies, the last living reminder of hell will be gone from the face of the earth.
She has kids from Chad/Tyrone or both, personal credit card debt, no assets, school debt for a worthless degree in liberal arts or gender studies, no cooking skills and no desire to learn any, no fiscal responsibility, an overly banged vagina, and a pet you’ll be expected to take care of as well.
And you're supposed to be happy about this opportunity to lick up the scraps from the floor.
The so-called good men she wants and can’t find are out there. They just don’t want her at the table because she has nothing to bring except financial and emotional pain. When women say, "Men are only after one thing". Meaning sex. My question to them is, do you have anything else to offer. Crickets is all I hear. Which means even they don't believe they have anything else to offer.
In addition, she also has great expectations you’ll do everything for her, make her feel better, and provide an unrealistic unsustainable life style she feels she deserves because she read about it some feminazi magazine article that hates men.
All this while she cheats behind your back with the “bad boys” she really wants while you’re at work paying all the bills for this little parasite.
Women don’t “love men”, they love what men can do for them. Where are all the great art works female artists have created, inspired by their love of men?
Yea, that sounds like a good deal, is this the line I stand in to lose half my sh!t?
Good luck with that.
Men are waking up and realizing this system is defective and toxic. Women's sexual liberation, feminism and the birth control pill, have ironically dis-empowered women. They are throwaway sexual objects now more than ever.
im1who84u my god u murdered this 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
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How VERY IN-TER-REST-TING! Be nice to know how many other states pull this kind of thievery?
join the conversation all of them duh. Child support is world wide
If they want to establish High rates of paternity establishment why wouldn't they want to make sure it was correct establishment?
To maximize child support collections, the federal government requires each state to have paternity establishment procedures. Federal law establishes a target of paternity establishment in ninety percent of cases. Failure to meet the target subjects the states to improvement requirements and penalties. In addition, Congress has provided states with the highest paternity establishment rates with bonus or incentive payments. With billions of dollars of federal TANF funds and incentive payments at stake, states have tremendous incentives to pursue high rates of paternity establishments. While nothing in federal law requires or authorizes establishing paternity against the wrong man, there is also nothing in federal law that prohibits or penalizes tagging the wrong man. Therefore, states are hugely incentivized to establish paternities, and one man will serve as well as any other.
The real question here is why parents(mothers) allow the gov to steal child support that they are not legally allowed to sign away rights to?(mother is not allowed to sign away the child's right to receive child support so why is it legal for the Gov to come in and say they can sign it away to receive welfare?)
i can see it if they gov deducts what they would pay "extra" for the child per month but the rest of the child support should go directly to the child and not be used to subsidize what the mother is entitled to receive as welfare herself,,, this is theft from the child to subsidize the mothers welfare plain and simple and should be considered illegal.....
A lot of times this happens when you are being targeted by a corrupt gov.
The state of California's controlling legislature needs to be replaced or dissolved of their legislative power ASAP
So much for truth and justice
Scary
This could not happen if our Leaders and Judges had an ounce of integrity or decency.
Start writing the senators. Until it is looked at
Feminism at its best.
All the powers, zero responsibilities.
Child support is illegal.
That Governor maybe one of the fathers of these children, fears if he is caught as one of the father of the children whom someone else supporting financially, refused to pass the law. He may lose his fun as well. (Example: like Bill Clinton). As an Attorney, perhaps he may have league of Lawyers involved.
What are your thoughts on comparing "Blood Test" from 25 years ago, prior to DNA related to paternity cases. Has there been any such cases found to be negative results, with new DNA technology as compared to old blood only testing? This would be more directed to cases of Blood" test only where the father initiated "Blood" test request of the State.
I see logic I subscribe
Good Lord, is there a rock in Gray Davis garden that doesn't have corruption under it ?
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That Grey Davis should've been chased out of California for vetoing a bill that would've saved a lot of men from paying out money for a child that's not their's.
What can be more harmful to a child than dying because the real father was not known?
Yes
how bout the adverse effect of men choosing not to sign documents at the hospital concetning their children due to the fear of child support reciprocity. causing animosity between father and family at the onset of birth
Mine refuse to sign the legitimization papers get a load of that one
Hell no
Florida
I wish every young woman in that state would put the names of the State Rep as their child father n take them to court for child support.. oh how I wish this... Let's see how the so called law handles that
All the women that are married to guys that are having to pay Child support when they are pregnant then they should name all the guys that are stopping to bills to pass or the guys working at the NCS and they will change the law faster when they have to pay Child support if it’s not their kids. Name judges, clarks, name any guys that work in NCS and use their systems against them and they change it faster then you can say give me your cash for child support.
Genealogy is the answer find the real dad
I’m dealing with this in California mom lied to me I could really use some legal help
I enjoyed watching your video today and I think that a women should not be able to just put any MAN’S name on her child’s birth certificate without knowing the true name of the man that got her pregnant
Let see who can I victimized to get free child support. Yes those hapless men.
42 USC 1983 sue the courts. Child Support is voluntary only.
If it was me, as a man, I won't spend another second on this fucked up state. Let them collect dust.
Abolish forced child support. The woman should get married or get a job and give the baby up.
Corporations with corporate bylaws.
Sad video
In my opinion, the worst kind of humans are the ones that screw hard-working men over for a few dollars.
I need some help. I am a VICTIM of paternity fraud. Yes. A mother AND A victim of paternity fraud. It CAN happen to women and where is our protection?!
No
While evidence is evidence America learned how what is in a murder trial is not necessarily held out in a civil trial; can you say OJ Simpson
Dear America, We already have an act to combat paternity fraud. The 13th Amendment to the United States Constitution.
judges will just straight ignore the constitution. they threaten you with body attachments to keep you from fighting for your rights.
@Nick K you mean you must speak the right incantation in time or you're dead. LOL
Another proof of alot of women are not right in the brain
Dear authors of this video and the viewers of this video: women CAN NOT BE ACCOUNTABLE for anything. Paternity fraud is a problem and fault of men. All men. It must be resolved by taxing any unsuspecting man or all the men in the country. Currently women are the victims of paternity fraud, because in case the father is not established, tax-payer women are forced to pay for the support of the child. This is highly unfair, I suggest to consider a legal means to forcefully terminate such children to save women victims. Have a good day/night/life.
All governors are chucks.
This is why muslims practice FGM
MGTOW