@@REALthoko9 I will say I have a feeling he might have actual evidence over this whole thing and its why he came back, and I honestly pray for both and for the truth
@@MushiSlayersbro Kwite is the biggest example of why we should hear out both sides before pick sides. He got harassed for something that never actually happened.
@@zadiaartz4960 Not bleeding but causing bruises. Idk, he says he thought it was consensual, she says at first it wasn't but theeen she says it was and she doesn't care about the biting but other things??? when at first all this was about the biting
Is anyone else a little concerned about him? Obviously his actions are terrible and he needs real mental help. But like he’s not looking very good especially since Tommy’s stream a while ago and he didn’t drink at all during the wine stream…
Yeah I’m pretty concerned, he was gone for a pretty long time. I was a little worried before that he might’ve yk offer himself before but he didn’t which is good, I’m glad he’s going to therapy at least. Tbh he never admitted he had hurt her. Plus he looks really thin atm.
@@kyrrahxo7921no😂 shubbles fans are just idiots he said that he didn’t abuse anyone he said he did bite “playfully” and even to his friends his friends said they don’t care about it she’s just evil she more likely abused him he had marks and bruises on lives and she hasn’t even been seen with a single bruise will is most likely innocent we need to let them do this not their or his fans they should take it to court she did this to 2 OTHER partners and she showed no proof and played “victim” she is a horrible person don’t believe anything she says she’s done this for years
@@RicoBallin … see, the problem with your argument is that a safeword is the withdrawal of consent, and she fucking said the safeword, and he bit down harder instead of stopping, so like…
This video does not take into account all the information, and purposefully omits information that doesn’t support the argument. Wilbur’s initial apology apologised for being a bad boyfriend, and that he is seeking help, but he denied the abuse, and as Shubble herself outlined, the biting was consensual, and not the issue, so idk why you put clips of people saying will bites as evidence or something at the start of the video. You later said that “even though there is no evidence he basically admitted to everything”. Again, he denied the abuse, which is the only thing that matters in this debate, and you claiming that he did is misinformation. You also failed to mention any argument for Wiburs side. Shubble has accused falsely 2 previous partners and other creators with 0 evidence. She also bans people who ask for evidence, and has not even claimed that evidence exists, whereas Wilbur has claimed to have texts which he is withholding for now for personal or legal purposes, and him touring with his band makes me sure he has evidence, as they would not be touring with him if they thought he was an abuser . Please do your research before commenting on a controversial topic.
Her banning people is reminding me of what happened with Kwite. I’m very neutral about the situation, but shubble’s attention seeking behavior is making me question her legitimacy. I guess we wait for now.
Where are you getting toxicity from Shelby? She made boundaries, and ended the relationship when he showed no change of not overstepping boundaries. And that’s all that she said.
@@crayonburryBecause healthy people dont air out dirty washing. This is clearly a private matter. Bringing this to the internet only amplifies things like the tool that it is.
@@Citjrus She said she had brought this to the internet because she genuinely thought he was dangerous and didn't want anyone to suffer through what he could've done so she spoke up
@@Stars4Theseus there's definitely another way of approaching the issue and turning it into this internet thing has made it like other internet things where people don't want progress, they want revenge and to see the world burn with them because they don't know how to deal with their trauma so they let it fester using various coping mechanisms just to get by.
@@Citjrus the private matter already happened. The reason she viewed him as dangerous is because it was happening to other women who knew already. Y’all are completely ignoring that Will is in a repeating cycle of unhealthy behaviors. Y’all are making two 30 minute live statements into “she’s out to get him”. And where a good portion of that where she is just explaining what is a healthy relationship is supposed to be. Like, I would genuinely like to just sit through her vods with any of you all, and wait to hear what this vitriolic language y’all are apparently hearing from her is.
Reality check. People suck. And no one can improve unless people genuinely want to fix the situation. Shubble doesn't want that. She wants to milk this situation for all its worth. She doesn't care about justice, she just wants more views.
she would have taken legal action or at least showed the beginning of a proof if she really wanted justice. That's why this is just drama. Whether it is true or not, both sides are in the wrong now for letting this happen online and not privately or with the authorities.
Where? Where are her views? Where is her boost in engagement? Y’all keep saying victims only come out for attention, yet, when has that ever launched anyone’s career? Be so fucking for real.
the fact that Shelby was two other exes that she accused of the same exact thing and were proven false by her lying and there being more evidence against Shelby is just suspicious in my opinion
@@bob24735 so I can’t find their statements but she accused Speady and Parker of doing the same thing she accused Wilbur of doing. She on a tv show or an interview and said she only accused them for fun which I haven’t seen so it could have been deleted
@@Razzleanddazzle3yea because she’s an internet god who can delete all what she wants, you say you don’t believe her because she doesn’t have proof but you believe this without proof? (Pretty hypocritical imo) also wouldn’t speedy speak out and point this instead of wait? PLAYING MCC together? Parker also liked her tweet about this matter why would he do that if what u said is true?
@@luvwslshe was a small TH-camr at the time all it took was after the situation she deleted her own reply then asked the two to delete theirs boom it’s all gone
I don’t want to be a rude person on the internet, but you are missing a few points in this story, a lot of Shubble’s supporter have been sending Wilbur de@th thre@ts and telling him to c0mm!t, also that Shubble was bullying people with mental illnesses. Wilbur also looks way worse physically than he did before his break. Shubble is also milking this for all it’s worth, what Wilbur did, he could be taken to court for and gone to prison without us even knowing, but she decided to take it to the internet. Some people are also saying that this has also happened with some of her other ex-es (@busing her and stuff).
Hello, may I post your comment on Twitter of course I’ll make sure to hide your name and Pfp for your safety, I do understand if you say no, I prioritize your comfort and safety more than some Twitter drama
@@Im_not_creative_enough your welcome I just feel like asking is much better than immediately just posting it and putting the person who put the comment in danger. Also thank you very much!!
also she litteraly says in this video she never thought the biting was unconcentual. how many times can this woman change her story before people catch on
It is when the people involved are famous. After all, why else did you click on this video, Isla? And even if we take fame out of the equation - imagine your kid is getting secretly bullied at school, the bullies wait until teachers and friends are gone, and then they start physically assaulting your kid. Imagine they tell the principal, but there's no evidence, they beat your kid up in the playground to avoid cameras, or the principal believes the bullies over the kid because there's more of the bullies. Do you really, honestly, think the best thing for the kid and for anyone else who saw the beatings to do, is to stay completely silent and never mention it again? Because if so you should seek therapy to undo whatever mess your parents made with you that caused you to think abusers should get away with their crimes and we shouldn't warn future victims to save them from the same treatement.
I’m honestly neutral about this. Wilbur gets claimed about being an abuser. But Shelby provided no evidence. So idk what’s going on forward. This drama crap is so annoying. Just admit to what is going on and move on.
He's say yah I bit her It not abused so I bit my little brother as a kid like I was 8 I have a bite, thing, I bit my mum arm as kid when I sleeped in her room And I seen the bite are not even deep imbit my brother so hard it turn purple and blood came out I was a crazy child 😅 I side with wilbur no hate to shubble
They both calim to have evidence, and there are eye witnesses according to shubble, yet nothing was provided. I can not in good conciousness take sides without evidence being shown.
QUICK CHECK IN. I am a wilbur supporters so you don't have to listen to BUT I have some valuable evidence. And I'm gonna piece this together. Around the time of them dating, shelby claimed that she was getting abused and bitten and that she was getting bruises. First off, if you look back at photos from around the time, shelby does not have bruises anywhere despite her wearing revealing clothing. And wilbur pictures? Wilbur has marks and bruises and scratches, etc. Also a little while back, (she deleted this a few days after) shubble posted a tweet saying that when she was working out, she put down the bar and it rubbed along the back of her calfs, leaving bruises even though they barely touched the bar. Now something here already doest add up. Shubble said that she was very sensitive to bruising... and maybe wilbur does bites, but even if they were gentle she would've gotten bruises. Yet we see no bruises. So, so far we have no evidence that this claim was correct. I'm not going to go over all of the evidence, but some quick notes I will put in. Before wilbur came back, shubble was liking and encouraging DEATH THREATS. To wilbur and his supporters even though she claimed she didn't. There is proof in a lot of places that she did this. Even if she wasn't lying, THIS IS NOT OK. Now lately, wilbur came back! (I am very proud of him for stepping up and moving on). He's received a lot of backlash from shubble supporters, and wss are trying our best to make sure he's welcome. Now if we look back to wilburs "apology", THIS WAS NOT AN APOLOGY. He never said it was an apology. It is basically just his side of the story. It wasn't wasting time. It wasn't self centered. It was just an explanation of his side of the story. And him saying "I thought the feeling and the consent were mutual" is now confirmed. Because of shubble stepping up AGAIN and talking about wilbur (which is still not ok since she keeps exposing wilburs mental health and personal life.) We know that the biting WAS consensual! But it's only because wilbur took a couple seconds to react to the safe word that she made a whole fit about it. THIS IS COMPLETLEY NOT OK. SHELBY NEEDS TO BE BEHIND BARS FOR LYING ABOUT ABUSE. I respect people's opinions, but the toxic shelby supporters? No. And shelby supporters I hope I can change your mind.
I’m so sick of people trying to make drama out of this. She has to realize that tolerating people sending death threats to her ex is disgusting. I think people need to listen to Wilbur’s side of the story. He’s mentally ill and he needs some help because the situation will escalate.
@@luvwslShelby admitted it was consensual I’m pretty sure and so did Wilbur. She claimed she didn’t ’consent to the pain’ as if biting doesn’t bloody hurt. Biting hurts. No matter how hard you do it. It pinches at the least.
I feel like shubble is right but shes streching this way too far, its been months and its almost been forgotten and at this point shubble looks like she just wants attention
i agree to some extent but i will say with the accusation being assault and you know illegal, i do think that it shouldn't just be forgotten and chalked up to some drama and cancellation on twitter
It is forgotten and she bring it up He move on he does not care she cares and he doesn't It old there ex move on from it it didn't trauma her it is biteing Move on that all it was years ago If it was in the relationship or mouths after yah not years ylu waited for a long time to say and it not abused
The fact that wilbur addressed the situation and then moved on, just shows that he’s being the bigger person. Also the fact that stubble consents to biting but not to pain doesn’t make sense, BITING IS INHERENTLY PAINFUL!
I don’t even want to argue of how stupid that statement of ‘Oh biting is pAiNfUL, bla bla’ but the fact that you think that Wilbur, someone who, purposely or not has repeatedly HURT someone and then proceeded to ‘move on’ and you go on ahead and say he’s ’the bigger person’. That is the most insane and delusional thing I have ever in this entire comment section because for one it is not ‘moving on’ it is anything but that. It is dismissing it, that is it. There is no bigger person in continuing his very social career where his reputation matters most and not addressing anything in those very serious allegations as if how that’s just a ‘silly haha’. That’s nothing. The person that was hurt? Physically and emotionally? Oh yeah no, that was a joke. Do you understand how insensitive that is? To have your abuser stand there and acknowledge those allegations and in that very same story promote his TOUR? As if what he did was alright? Who cares if it leaves bruises? Who cares if it gets bloody? Who cares? She didn’t say anything about it, so that’s okay!
@@stuffart2140 I understand and respect your point, but this Stubble and Wilbur drama started months ago. I feel that Stubble bringing it up again and again is like beating a dead horse. I understand that she said this or he said that, but it’s all just allegations and accusations with no proof. Also, the fact that Wilbur supposedly abused Shubble years ago doesn’t mean he’s an awful person now. People change; he could have grown as a person since then and learned from his mistakes. Abuse is never acceptable and never will be, but I feel like the entire drama could have been handled better, perhaps through DM’s. You can’t go to the police five years after your phone or purse has been stolen and demand that they catch the thief. Similarly, you can’t make serious allegations without any proof five years after someone did something bad to you and expect them to be punished.
I just think it’s weird that Shelby has two other exes that she accused of almost the same thing, but there was proof that she lied. And there are also pictures of wilbur being bruised and cut that were taken in the time they were dating. There’s more proof that she’s potentially the abuser than proof that Wilbur was. 🤷♀️
Uh, I didn’t expect to see you here! And I completely agree with you! It is a little weird. Which is why I’m somewhat neutral since I don’t know who to believe at the moment.
@@LiloSoot Oh hey! Yeah I feel inclined to stand up for Will, as someone who bites to show affection myself. That in and of itself isn’t abuse and I don’t want this to turn into an Amber Heard moment
@@DustTea oh definitely. I agree with that fully. I’m glad people are standing up for Wilbur. I feel somewhat bad for him. He’s a human too and people are treating him like he’s nothing, which makes me sad
I totally agree. There is no evidence whatsoever that Shubble was being abused by Wilbur; the only thing Wilbur admitted to was being a bad boyfriend. I feel like she might be doing this for attention and pity or if she IS an abuser, then she could be trying to make Wilbur seem like an abuser to cover her abusive tendencies up. I would usually go with the person who says their being abused, but there were NO bruises or bite marks on Shubble at ALL. If she were a logical person, then she would've gotten proof. And why bring this onto social media instead? Abuse is a CRIME, so why would you bring this onto the internet unless you're seeking attention and pity?
I feel inclined to investigate, I had no idea about this honestly. Do you happen to remember their names or if there were any videos made about it? Or if there's any sort of way I could find it being addressed on social media at all?
3:18 I’d just like to point out why I and many others haven’t defended Shelby at all, and to shine some light to the blind defenders. Although she is constantly accusing him of manipulation, she is ironically also manipulating her speech and her story, since the abusive thing he would’ve done is biting her hard, and biting her after she asked him to stop. Everything else she said on the past livestream about him: Filthy house, bad hygiene, being rude and neglectful of her, are all just him being a bad boyfriend. Not abusive. There’s a difference, and to me it just looks like she’s seeking revenge or something, if the biting isn’t the problem. 🤷♀️
She also manipulates her grammar to vilify him even in situations where he’s done nothing wrong. E.g. she says he broke up with her for “money and fame” which translates too he left to prioritise his musical passions lol, which sounds much different but essentially means the same thing in this context. Her case is so weak that she needs to use high modality manipulative language to even convince a 12yo of her validity.
@@Lgashi.bean.s I mean, the abuse thing isn't done and neither of them haven't given anything to prove it, so we may just stay neutral until someone gives a valid evidence
I’m sorry not to be a rude person or smth ,but (i also deeply apologize if my informations are wrong ,i literally typed that at 3:00 am nd i haven’t slept.) 1-shubble supporters have been sending William gold de@th thre@ts and d0xxing him ,telling him to c0mmit. 2-William DID NOT admit that he abused her ,he only admitted to the biting situation and as he said he “i thought it was consensual” meaning she didn’t use the safe word. 3-literally shubble cousin commented on WSS saying that when she was visiting them she heard a loud clap from the other room and Wilbur came out with a red handprint on his face.(i can’t Detail these stuff,i deeply apologize.) 4- during shubble and William gold relationship,shubble wore bikinis,crop tops,shorts,etc,no bruises were seen on her and also in photos Wilbur had bruises on his neck ,hand ,etc and he always leaned away from her. 5- she said he locked her up in a room for days,my question is why she didn’t go to court.literally none of what she saying make sense. 6- shubble and shubble supporters are taking it too far ,a shubble supporter posted a photo of Wilbur n@k3d when he was literally a baby. 7-he said he doesn’t wanna talk about it for now and shubble also accused her ex Parker of abusing and when people knew she was lying ,she poofed. WHERE THE HECK IS SHUBBLE EVIDENCE???? And guys that’s not a game that ur supporting who will win . He also look skinnier nd ill. That’s all I’m gonna say for now.
simple, they are both in the wrong. wilbur bit her many times, and ignored her safeword and hurt her, shelby has liked tweets of doxxing and death threats, ask for proof of someone who killed themselves, if she really cared enough about the situation she would have pressed charges instead of going on about it on twitch and twitter and potentially farming for attention.
I agree both of them are in the wrong its just the fact that im pretty sure everyone rn is in the side of shelby but i think both of them are in the wrong aswell
Did Shelby ever say Wilbur went past the safe word? On the original stream, all she said is that he would bite her until she said the safe word, but I don't think he ever violated it.
@@Weem_Queen yeah but its also dumb for her to report about wilbur more its like shes more of trying to get attention to destroy his whole career which he have worked for years i dont think its smart to just destroy someone career bc of ur personal life they had and the fact shes exposing him more and more makes it seems like he is a bad guy and again i do think wilbur is wrong abit here but she is also the wrong cuz shes exposing someone and that persons career
Wilbur is clearly mentally ill, just very good at hiding in when it comes to the Internet. I think he should be allowed to come back after a few years of therapy or other mental improvement projects.
Another thing is, let wilbur carry on. The situation already happened, he "admitted" to it and thats that. Let the guy carry on with his career and life. At this point Shubble is the 1 to blame for milking every fucking situation. IT HAPPEND. LET THE GUY FUCKING LIVE. Honestly twitter must be the most depressing thing ever man.
Buddy she was just tryna educate signs and levels of domestic abuse, he bit her till she bled and bruised, let him face the consequences to his damn actions. Lmao
ok so he was biting his gf so they broke up, she then said that the biting was CONSENTIAL but it hurt so he apologized, got canceled, and now everyone is trying to get his singing or whatever career also canceled, nice world we live in
@@Eclipsedcassowaryas someone who's safeword has been ignored before, people make mistakes. people fuck up. its called communicating that with your partner and fixing it. blasting it on twitter like this is attention-seeking as fuck.
I completely agree. There’s always two sides to stories and people will always believe the victim. It’s annoying asf. She’s milking it instead of trying to get some actual justice.
Bruh, she ADMITTED to consenting to the biting, case closed. Bites sometimes *hurt*, then don't fuckin' agree to it? But she did. So lying bitter ex chasing clout and giving half truths. Wilbur is innocent until proven guilting in a court of law.
I agree because Bites can't just not hurt unless it's like the smallest bite, but even still, it will hurt. However, I'm just gonna see what happens because I don't exactly want any of them to be hated on just for something, which is not actually 100% proved,I hope both of them can get therapy or something like that..
from my understanding ye, and this is completely unbias as i do not watch either of them, she consented to the biting that would sometimes end in accidents of him hurting her, the hurting her is subsequent to the biting, therefore even if it started to happen more frequently she could have stopped consented to the biting... I am not defending him, but i am saying that she is a muppet for failing to communicate with him in the relationship they have. now as for will, i dont know the evidence behind him lying to his therapist but he prob has some shit going on in his life after the breakup as well, if everything said is true then he is a muppet for lying to his therapist and he should do it for himself, not the online reputation. now for the bigger problem, nobody was seriously harmed, shelby agreed to the biting (the harm itself was subsequential and unintended + even if it was intended it still all came from the biting, therefore she could have said no at any time), everybody online seems to take her side + make it an entire drama, i feel bad for the guy since it seems like it wasn't like he was abusing her (i will never see this shit as abuse) and she consented to it all the way throughout the relationship, sounds to me like she is abusing her platform to make a fuss and gain more traction online (mostly due to the fact she never named him but described him so specifically making her seem more the victim, she also knows that people online will catch on and start making a fuss about it naming will specifically). they are both degenerates and i do not believe any of them are in the right and if anything that they both need to look at themselves in the mirror and ask themselves if thats who they want to be
@kieronchick1663 you don't have to agree, that's why it's opinions, everybody can think what they want and use freedom of speech to say it, but don't it stupid, quite rude to call someone's opinion stupid without giving a reason just bc u don't agree with it.
Honestly if I was shulb. I would say my part and leave it at that. If Wilbur wants to keep going let him, as long as his not abusing. The more she puts fuel in the fire the worse she makes herself look.
lowkey shes kinda indoctrinating the area of consent by saying, "i consented to biting, not hurting" even if he hurt you "via bite" YOU CONSENTED. it doesnt matter because she was consensual to the fact he had a biting, tendency void of whether he hurt her while doing that biting tendency
this beef felt ages ago and at this point i no longer give a fuck. but i mean other than that you got a slight point but i think what shubble is trying to imply is that she wasn't consenting to him biting her aggressively or causing her harm and at some point she probably told him to stop and he didn't
well other than that i'm neutral because there is zero evidence of willbur doing that. but from another side him talking about it proves something like that sort did happen but from another side it seems like shubble might have some bs in her side of story bc she has zero bruises on her
I mean I don’t mind him coming back as long as he Dosnt do something like that again to anyone ever again (I didn’t really want to choose a side with this)
Wilbur can definitely come back He just need more time and actually address the problem truthfully and carefully, I really want him to come back Since I used to be a Really Big fan of him but To Ignore the Problem and Just come back like nothing happen Its Unacceptable
I really wish I really wish all of this was done in private and not on the media I dont know why Shelby didnt go to the court or the police(if u do please tell me) but saying something huge on social media can and did effect so many lives.... A lot of other streamers, and TH-camrs faced the same allegations, and some of them were fake, and a lot of people decided to take advantage of this and lie about being abused by them Now look at Wilbur he is way skinnier than I remember him and that's actually concerning. I'm not saying I'm taking his side or I'm not saying I'm taking Shelbys side but this should've been talked and done in private. Some people are crazy. They send death threats to both sides, and here are the results. This man isn't doing OK and even if he was actually guilty, that's still doesn't mean he's not human it's obvious he was extremely affected by the situation. (ngl I was so scared he might commit suicide.)
Shelby saying biting can be harmless is just weird. She shouldnt consent and at this point shes just being stupid. Also why bring this whole drama up other than for views. Shes just trying to milk it
Biting can be a way of people showing affection eg cute aggression, you can genuinely google it! And you can do it in a way that doesn't hurt, more feels like a clamp Her issue was that he was doing it too hard and doing it when she said no
@@thomasomalley6320yeah but why not communicate this with your partner instead of airing out your dirty laundry on twitter for the entire globe to see? seems weird.
Ok... he's a weird guy who likes biting. She wasn't comfortable with him being a weird guy who likes biting. He isn't good with boundaries. She ended their relationship. Am I missing something? How is that abuse? Real abuse is about enforcing control. Physical violence is just part of it. This seems like the kind of thing you end a relationship over. Not ruin someone's career.
If it was harming her, why didn't she say earlier? Why didn't she go to the police instead of the internet wtf? Why hasn't she? No evidence, and it was just to ruin Wilbur and to push her career forward. Wilbur dumped her.
And here you go - the victim blaming. Why didn't the victim do this, do that, do another thing - maybe because she didn't know how to act in that situation in that moment? It's not the fault of the victim that they never said anything about the abuser. And let's make things clear, since you can't really read nor listen: - in the original video she talked about her ex, she never mentioned his name, she wanted to share her experiences so that other people can react faster than she did. - Wilbur literally admitted to being the person she was talking about. "She tried to ruin his career"? Please. He said it by himself that he was biting her and that he "thought" it's fine. Never really caring about when to stop, even while being told to.
@chvv7776 This is cute, but no. If she is, in fact, a victim, then she should take legal action. But she hasn't, even after it broke that Wilbur is the person in question. When confronted with this, she said that not everyone can afford to, but the fact is she can. She never mentioned his name but gave enough clues to make it obvious. It's called plausible deniablity. Take Wilbur's word for just a second. Imagine he did think it was consensual. Because it was, she said so. The thing is your entire fucking argument relies on Shelby's testimony. You notice he never said, "I'm sorry for abusing you"?? She couldn't win in court if she wanted to. Why is Shelby's word automatically truth? Because she's a victim? Prove it! I'm not victim blaming because she straight up hasn't proven anything. We don't convict on testimonials alone. Stfu bro.
@@Lost_Delos Are delusional? Okay, let me put the evidence, Wilbur's own statement: "During our relationship's final months, I became slobbish, disrespectful and selfish" - ah yes, so for sure he was treating her right. You really need to encourage that behaviour. "These actions caused a lot of pain to my ex-girlfriend" - literally admitted that he hurt her, even if it was meant as "not physically". "I have come to realise how my past behaviour hurt this person" - so now people like *you* need to make sure to scream that "he didn't do anything wrong!!!1!1" Let me get a few facts straight - in this world, most cases of abuse, even if true, won't be proven in court. It's very hard to win something like this and in this case, it wouldn't even go too far, since there's no long lasting effects on Shelbie's body. But does that mean that the way he was treating her was fine? Absolutely not. He admitted to being a jerk, which honestly, should be enough for people like you to stop defending him as if he was some sort of hero. But the form of abuse - biting, it was so obvious that he had a huge problem with that. If not believe Shelby, then listen to Nihachu - she mentioned in her past streams that Wilbur "keeps biting people". She was obviously weirded out by that, but when the entire thing came out, she also admitted to seeing some of the behaviour Shelby was mentioning - that was also one of the reasons why she wanted to stop being associated with him.
@chvv7776 Ad hominem, I'm not delusional. Being slobbish and disrespectful are not crimes. Sure, he probably wasn't treating her the best. He can admit that, I can admit that. You're guessing that the pain he said he caused might've been physical. But again, she has yet to prove anything. But you don't care about evidence. When it comes down to it, you took her side because she cried about it online. Yes, Wilbur bites, but that doesn't make it abuse. She said it herself she felt it was consensual to point. And everyone else didn't say it was abuse, just that it was weird. Wilbur even said that he went to therapy for it. Let me get the facts straight. In the world, wrongful unlawful convictions happen most often because of testimony. Evidence doesn't lie, but she definitely could. Abuse is terrible. No one is saying it isn't. But I just would like to see something other than a bunch of testimony. The lack of evidence doesn't seem fair for the amount of hate and general lack of understanding by the public. Most people haven't taken the time to understand the situation, and just hear "Wilbur bad, Wilbur bites" and say OK. I know you've convinced yourself that Shelby was abused, I'm not going to argue anymore. Please remember that you can argue with someone and not have them be an enemy.
Yeah because her fans have been sending him de@th threats and have as been threatening to dox him while some of her other fans have also commited because of her.
Im just gonna say i take no sides, will accepted it and he apologized, like 3 paragraphs were found in that apology. I don’t feel like he should loose his career, i don’t feel like he should loose his ability to just exist on the internet, but he does need to take some time off, think about it, and just try to better himself and the people around him.
Okay so im about to say my opinions on everything and even tho i am disappointed about wilburs actions im very neutral on the situation tho we don't have proper evidence provided there has indeed been more then one person giving there own experiences so when i hear people disrespecting Shelby it does make me wonder "do these people consider that Shelby wasn't the only one who claimed to have been harmed" because i recall aslo a old member of Lovejoy a trumpet player getting bitten by him as well as the aligations from a woman named Alice i feel like not enough people are considering that. Tho as i previously stated i am disappointed in the actions i am happy to see he's at least okay because from what i heard he had been being doxed and sent death threats and yes what he did was wrong but those people are not being any better in my perspective so im happy to see he's at least okay and i know things probably won't but i hope that wilbur improves as a person and there be a better outcome.. As said im not trying to say "this opinion is right yours is wrong" that is NOT my intention this is just my own thoughts and i will respect if you don't share my opinion
There's been pictures of Wilber bruised and "beaten" around his eyes, which is a very rare place to have an accident, where as on shelby there has never been an actual media taken capture of any harm, only the ones that were designated to prove that she was harmed, which leads me to think it might've been faked, not to say wilbur didn't bite her or anything, its a kink, a really weird one at that, but nothing equal to what some people have done on the internet and continue to live cancel-free
honestly, shubble should’ve just left it. im neutral in this situation, but at this point shubble is annoying me. it’s like she’s saying shit for attention. she even responded to wilbur coming back ABOUT THE DRAMA. did wilbur even mention the drama? no. “oOh I cOnSeNtEd ThE bItInG bUt NoT tHe HaRmInG” he harmed her BY biting so technically wilbur was allowed to bite. like honestly, shubble is just mad annoying and attention seeking at this point
It was a statement a apology can be inside a statement if it was an apology Wilbur would of said “yes I did it im sorry” instead Wilbur said “ no I didn’t do it I am sorry if it apparently hurt you though”
@@Prensovfx he's innocent until proven guilty about the abuse accusations, there is no way to know if what he did was to intentionally hurt shubble, only time will tell ig, but during that time I hope people stop farming the shit out of this topic smh it's been months especially shubble since she's kind of dragging it out now. have a lovely night or day 👍
Love when people click bait. All Wilbur "exposed himself" with is that he does bite, however we don't know what kind of biting playful or hurtful, or if it was consent or not. Or hell they all could lying the bites could have never happened cause we have zero evidence it's all he said she said. We can't prove the biting did happen or not, and ppl will say "Wilbur confirmed it himself" for all we know he could be lying that he did bite. And the evidence of "multiple people have come out saying he did bite and caused bruises!" again you can't use speech as evidence we need actual evidence audio recordings, photos, recordings etc. On the topic of evidence WHY THE FUCK IS THEIR NO POLICE REPORTS? If it was abuse why didn't any of them call the police on Wilbur huh? Just don't pick a side right now and don't clickbait.
Wilbur admitted to it. In a lot of cases of abuse there are no police reports, either because the victim is embarrassed due to what happened to them or from the fear of the police not taking them seriously. Usually, at least from my understanding, multiple witnesses AND the defendant admitting to abuse themself is evidence enough for most people (I understand that he didn't admit to biting in a hurtful/abusive manner, but again, given how many witnesses there are claiming that he bit them, it would be fair to assume that it wasn't in a playful manner). You aren't "defending" Wilbur, you are using this situation as a way to spread your own beliefs (just to clarify, I am not talking about religious beliefs, obviously, I have all respect for people of faith, your beliefs possibly stem from sexism). Also, if I may, I would like to point out multiple grammatical errors in your comment, as I am feeling quite petty given the nature of your response to this video. 1: What kind of biting IT was, playful or hurtful (you forgot a comma) 2: if it was consensual or not, you used the wrong form of the word "consent" 3: or hell, they could be lying (missing comma once again). I could go on, but I can't be bothered to waste any more time arguing over a TH-cam comment.
I believe (but don't quote me in this because I can't find the stream where Shelby said it) because of the way the UK legal system works it had been too long to take legal action Also Shubble never wanted it to go this far, she was just trying to show awareness towards the subject and show how she had been subject to that type of abuse as well. But the Internet it the Internet and things get blown up
@@stanvol Ok so firstly, I don't care about grammar it's a TH-cam comment, what are you the grammar police? Secondly, Wilbur only "admitted" in a random post on twitter about biting not abuse I've checked, it's all he said she said there is no evidence to prove what he or she is saying is true. He could be lying for all we know just to get ppl off his back. Thirdly, true about the police reports however MULTIPLE VICTIMS not making a single one? Little suspicious don't you think? Fourthly, I'm using this to put out my beliefs, me being sexist? You're high my man I never sided with either of them nor said either of them are wrong or right. I'm just saying the facts how they are.
I haven't done a whole lot of research, I still don't know what to think, but there's one thing i'll hold onto forever: I just hope everyone is okay, shubble, Niki, but I also hope wilbur's getting help, I don't want him to d¡e (wanting someone to d¡e is one of the worst thing ever, in my opinion, I do understand why people want that sometimes, but I don't want anybody to d¡e), I want him to change for the better, to become a better person, to actually apologize, that's it. I just hope everybody's fine
All I can say is, after watching this video my opinion is, she consented to it, and without further evidence it’s impossible to know if what will did was malicious or not. He had consent to do it and was never told otherwise so continued.
Furthermore in regards to him not touching on the topic, he said he’s not in a place to talk about it more and his save face was enough for the time being. He might not want to talk about it further, out of shame, from what people think of him, when he thought it was consensual and was never told otherwise. Im by no means picking sides because in this interaction it’s all of what each party believed to have happened, so we can’t know.
Casual reminder that Shelby may not have shown any photographic evidence, but Wilbur also never denied any of it. Actually he confirmed it. He never said he was sorry once in his “apology” statement, either. I personally don’t get why people are saying Shelby is doing this for views. She didn’t even say who it was in the first video. Wilbur himself confirmed it. Honestly I do get why people are upset because this has gone on for so long, but that is no excuse to start hating on someone. It’s disgusting seeing how many threats have been sent out. Both to Shelby AND to Wilbur. Regardless if Wilbur did do this or not that does not justify being absolutely disgusting saying things like he should die, sending threats, more. Shelby is a victim. Stop acting like she isn’t.
This is too nuanced. I need them both to just make content not abt it bc it’s a past relationship, it is NOT our business. I think the way Wilbur is treating it like a private matter is actually rly mature. A lot of this stuff just sounds like the complications of a relationship n of mental health. Aka, not our business. I like Wilbur’s content. I also know he’s a person. He’s made mistakes in the past, he’s messed up, n he struggles w mental health n relationships as he’s said in his music, n as so many ppl do. This stuff should’ve stayed a private matter. Shelby n Wilbur both needa heal from it NOT blow it up. Shelby’s “exposing him” is like using the internet as a venting port n that’s not ok. Wilbur’s reacting to it as a whole was just indulging the internet’s cancel culture.
I personally have supported shubble when these allegations summed up to prove Wilbur guilty, and I thought it was over. (hint: I was wrong) But seeing how she’s bringing up the same situation after *3 whole months* just makes her look like an attention seeker. Now I’m not saying I’m on Wilbur’s side (just to clarify) but isn’t it a bit odd to bring it back up after it’s been done with? He was making a statement about his band to inform any of his fans (if he has any left) about the tour. Saying “that’s all I want to say on this topic for now” isn’t brushing it off, it’s hinting that he will (most likely) make an apology and/or a statement about the situation. Reminder: I am NOT on either side and this is just my opinion!!
I agree, I think they're both mildly in the wrong. As a victim of abuse, it's kinda just now milking it for sympathy and attention. Honestly, if Wilbur is trying to change, trying to improve, I say let him. It's kinda messed up not to let a person grow or change after something they know is wrong. Then you become the one in the wrong.
Its unfortunate that Wilbur picked up so many of the chronically online fans who idolized him when he was just trying to enjoy Minecraft with his friends. I subbed to his music channel forst when he was still doing Crywank covers under bridges. Everyone makes mistakes, we found Wilbur's, who cares? Move on. We like his music we like his band, glad to see him back.
(This is my opinion so pls don't come for me) There is physical evidence (Photos) of injuries on Wilbur, during the time they were dating. Some in the WSS say that Wilbur was the one being abused, and I think it is a fair claim.
i respect shelby’s opinion, as any person should. but she should NOT have brought it to the internet. relationships can fall into so many grey areas, especially in this nature, and to vent openly about someone she KNEW would get exposed, her ex boyfriend who she has since parted ways with and are both living their own lives, is completely inappropriate. i get it, i’ve been in situations like she has, if not completely the same. i am more than allowed to go get my own help, vent to my friends, and build on myself as a person. this does not mean outing that person to everyone they know just because they hurt me. i am not on wilbur’s side by any means, but i am also not on shelby’s side. god this situation is a mess and i’m so tired of everyone acting like it’s something they can freely comment on. it isn’t, and shelby should’ve never indicated that. she is limiting ways for wilbur to get help, limiting his friends, limiting his mental health. he is not being given room to grow. everyone is simply just not wanting to accept him as anything else than the guy who abused shelby. speaking of, while you can excuse everything else being public domain. you CANNOT excuse conversations about his therapy. that stuff is PRIVATE. whether or whether not he is improving mentally should not he a testament to how good of a person he is, and it disgusts me that i have to say that. god, this is just a mess
Me and my friend were debating, a few months ago when this occurred, what actions would allow Wilbur ‘back’. We decided if he wrote a mediocre apology, one that actually has the word “sorry” in it, waited a few months (6ish) then maybe he could come back. Not 3.5 months later, saying no more than an admittance, expecting everyone to just ignore it.
At this point it just feels like shubble just wants to never move on from this even after Will's apology, and will's trying his best to just move on from everything and continue his career, but shelby just wants to really farm for more attention and it feels like she'll keep on doing it everytime Will will ever try to make a comeback lol
My girlfriend was physical abused by her ex boyfriends she was raped best everyday she cries every time she talks about It all My friend who were physical abused cry over the abuse and have to see a therapist
‼i really enjoy lovejoys and try not to think too much about the fact that wilbur ALLEGEDLY abused someone. i strongly believe in innocent UNTIL proven guilty and this is one of those cases. when you deeply think about it shubble hasnt provided us with ANY proof that she was abused, and all of us are just BLINDLY believing her. wilburs 'APOLOGY' was never really an apology more of a STATEMENT and he admitted to his slobbish behaviour but NEVER to nonconsensual biting etc. theres a LOT of evidence stacked up against shubble and i HIGHLY suggest you go have a look and a deep dive into that as well. another thing i would like to point out is the fact that when anyone asks shubble for evidence she ends up blocking the person and brushing off the situation? for now wilbur isnt 'brushing it off' hes choosing not to talk about it RIGHT NOW for the sake of his own mental stability, he is also human at the end of the day. you always need both sides of the story, i am staying neutral in this whole situation and will continue to enjoy lovejoy and wilburs solo music!! not here to start an argument, only to educate ‼
I'm not one who has experience with it, but I would assume the biting is softer than biting something like food. I guess it's kinda like a nibble almost with a lil more pressure?
Apparently it wasn't the pain that would bother her, but the fact that he would continue even after she'd used the safe word to indicate she'd hit her pain threshold.
@@Danyka4 ok yea. Butttttt even her cousin said she never had bruises (that she saw anyways) but she had heard wil get slapped in the hotel room. Listen to Amazon Standing Lamp and Trying Not To Think About It.
U made a thumbnaail that wasnt real and saying it was new days later after pelple already made the same, i really thought it was new new ,thats why u dont clickbait pls
I feel like ignoring the situation for now is the best decision he can make right now. Because if he just continues to keep responding to the allegations he will just receive a bigger punishment rather than being stupid he is being mature in this situation. Besides hes only speaking that statment as for now. And besides ignoring the situation is also ignoring what people have to say on the internet and not having to worry about the allegations is avoiding the internet
Im neutral on this one i cant take sides for they’re BOTH BAD Shubble did a GOOD JOB comming out at telling everyone what he di Willbur did SOMETHING VERY BAD by abusing her Wilbur DID SOMTHING BAD by not holding himself accountable in his apolog Shubble DID SOMETHING BAD by not controlling her supporters Subble’s supporters did SOMETHING ILLEGAL: doxxing willbur and sending his supporters threats etc. Overall: WILLBUR IS ALSO IN wrong and So is SHUBBLE
Let me say that I do not support Wilbur's actions nor am I a fan of him. However, seeing Wilbur's response to this situation proves that he is someone who is willing to change and people should stop harassing him over this. We rarely see content creators who have done wrong things own up to their mistakes! The way shubble handled the situations was also incredibly stupid. She could have bought up this situation in court or privately, and not spread this online. It's her own problem and now it is everyone's problem. "I just think it’s weird that Shelby has two other exes that she accused of almost the same thing, but there was proof that she lied. And there are also pictures of wilbur being bruised and cut that were taken in the time they were dating. There’s more proof that she’s potentially the abuser than proof that Wilbur was." This was commented by another commenter which I'd also like to bring up. Shubble also supported caitibugzz and said caitibugzz was a child at that time. EXCUSE ME? CAITIBUGZZ WAS 18 THEN AND SHE WAS 6 MONTHS PLUS FROM 18????? I personally do not like Shubble, but I assure you, I do not have any biasness in this situation.
I personally stay neutral. While yes I do believe that Shubble initially got abused, to me I lost some trust(?) in her words when she started too support CatiBugz. And there are just too many facts playing with that like the Death threats wilbur got and her laughing at that. She also responded to a thing that TOTALLY didn’t include her or concern her in anyway(Wilbur’s instagram story in that case). To me that’s just senseless provocation. I do not deny, Wilbur is at fault and *should* and *must* get Therapy. There is a factor where it’s just acceptable anymore. On both sides.
Minecraft creators are really something different
You are one too xD
yoooo qbw
Wait until you hear about Roblox creators
@@DoxyDog852Ik bro roblox creators and roblox devs/admins aswell
You either leave a hero, or live long enough to become the villain
I did notice that Wilbur seemed a LOT skinnier than before.
true me2 i find it very peculiar even tho he was my rolemodel until i found that out i need to say i am concerned for him
He has a Eating Disorder I think
@@Ur_leastfav_Mexicana ^the question is which
@@REALthoko9 I will say I have a feeling he might have actual evidence over this whole thing and its why he came back, and I honestly pray for both and for the truth
@@Ilikerosess ye but like i hope he betters himself like i rl thought of him highly ngl
he said he's not going to talk about it for NOW which is completly understandable. I just hope everyone can feel and be better, he looks sick
dude, sincerely I don't think this situation should have been THAT bad. in my opinion, that biting is just like a red flag, many people are like that.
@@MushiSlayersbro Kwite is the biggest example of why we should hear out both sides before pick sides. He got harassed for something that never actually happened.
Going on tour imediatly is insane tho
@@marcosa.2456red flag? He bit her until she bled. In front of friends and in private even when she yelped. that’s domestic abuse. He was abusing her.
@@zadiaartz4960 Not bleeding but causing bruises. Idk, he says he thought it was consensual, she says at first it wasn't but theeen she says it was and she doesn't care about the biting but other things??? when at first all this was about the biting
Did someone realize wilbur looked skinnier than normal..?
did he forget to eat a whole person for dinner yesterday?
if you watched tommys wilburs back stream, he looks ill. he was VERY pale and very skinny
@@丫That’s funny and messed up at the same time 😂
But I do hope he gets the help he needs.
Oh god he is more skinny
I hope he is okay
Is anyone else a little concerned about him? Obviously his actions are terrible and he needs real mental help. But like he’s not looking very good especially since Tommy’s stream a while ago and he didn’t drink at all during the wine stream…
As for as we know he’s innocent there’s no proof against him
Yeah I’m pretty concerned, he was gone for a pretty long time. I was a little worried before that he might’ve yk offer himself before but he didn’t which is good, I’m glad he’s going to therapy at least. Tbh he never admitted he had hurt her. Plus he looks really thin atm.
@@YumföMappingDidn't he literally admit to it...? I'm trying to stay as neutral as possible but he basically admitted to it
@@kyrrahxo7921no😂 shubbles fans are just idiots he said that he didn’t abuse anyone he said he did bite “playfully” and even to his friends his friends said they don’t care about it she’s just evil she more likely abused him he had marks and bruises on lives and she hasn’t even been seen with a single bruise will is most likely innocent we need to let them do this not their or his fans they should take it to court she did this to 2 OTHER partners and she showed no proof and played “victim” she is a horrible person don’t believe anything she says she’s done this for years
@@RicoBallin … see, the problem with your argument is that a safeword is the withdrawal of consent, and she fucking said the safeword, and he bit down harder instead of stopping, so like…
This video does not take into account all the information, and purposefully omits information that doesn’t support the argument. Wilbur’s initial apology apologised for being a bad boyfriend, and that he is seeking help, but he denied the abuse, and as Shubble herself outlined, the biting was consensual, and not the issue, so idk why you put clips of people saying will bites as evidence or something at the start of the video. You later said that “even though there is no evidence he basically admitted to everything”. Again, he denied the abuse, which is the only thing that matters in this debate, and you claiming that he did is misinformation. You also failed to mention any argument for Wiburs side. Shubble has accused falsely 2 previous partners and other creators with 0 evidence. She also bans people who ask for evidence, and has not even claimed that evidence exists, whereas Wilbur has claimed to have texts which he is withholding for now for personal or legal purposes, and him touring with his band makes me sure he has evidence, as they would not be touring with him if they thought he was an abuser .
Please do your research before commenting on a controversial topic.
preach
Y E S really expecting this to be another Amber heard vrs. Johny Depp situation
W for you for actually listening to both sides and still not getting involved by choosing one.
Her banning people is reminding me of what happened with Kwite. I’m very neutral about the situation, but shubble’s attention seeking behavior is making me question her legitimacy. I guess we wait for now.
yes, agreed. Thank you for writing all this
This whole thing honestly to me feels like a toxic relationship from both sides blown out of proportions because of resentment to the ex..
Where are you getting toxicity from Shelby? She made boundaries, and ended the relationship when he showed no change of not overstepping boundaries.
And that’s all that she said.
@@crayonburryBecause healthy people dont air out dirty washing. This is clearly a private matter. Bringing this to the internet only amplifies things like the tool that it is.
@@Citjrus She said she had brought this to the internet because she genuinely thought he was dangerous and didn't want anyone to suffer through what he could've done so she spoke up
@@Stars4Theseus there's definitely another way of approaching the issue and turning it into this internet thing has made it like other internet things where people don't want progress, they want revenge and to see the world burn with them because they don't know how to deal with their trauma so they let it fester using various coping mechanisms just to get by.
@@Citjrus the private matter already happened. The reason she viewed him as dangerous is because it was happening to other women who knew already.
Y’all are completely ignoring that Will is in a repeating cycle of unhealthy behaviors. Y’all are making two 30 minute live statements into “she’s out to get him”. And where a good portion of that where she is just explaining what is a healthy relationship is supposed to be.
Like, I would genuinely like to just sit through her vods with any of you all, and wait to hear what this vitriolic language y’all are apparently hearing from her is.
Reality check. People suck. And no one can improve unless people genuinely want to fix the situation. Shubble doesn't want that. She wants to milk this situation for all its worth. She doesn't care about justice, she just wants more views.
agreed
she would have taken legal action or at least showed the beginning of a proof if she really wanted justice. That's why this is just drama. Whether it is true or not, both sides are in the wrong now for letting this happen online and not privately or with the authorities.
Where? Where are her views? Where is her boost in engagement?
Y’all keep saying victims only come out for attention, yet, when has that ever launched anyone’s career? Be so fucking for real.
@@crayonburry When other youtubers get exposed the victim shows evidence and is trying their hardest to get justice, not just yapping about it
@@BloxClips-l8h two 30 minute segments from a livestream over 4 months.
How is that rambling on and on? At all… bsffr.
the fact that Shelby was two other exes that she accused of the same exact thing and were proven false by her lying and there being more evidence against Shelby is just suspicious in my opinion
Wait what? Can I see the proof of her accusing her exes?
@@bob24735 so I can’t find their statements but she accused Speady and Parker of doing the same thing she accused Wilbur of doing. She on a tv show or an interview and said she only accused them for fun which I haven’t seen so it could have been deleted
@@Razzleanddazzle3yea because she’s an internet god who can delete all what she wants, you say you don’t believe her because she doesn’t have proof but you believe this without proof? (Pretty hypocritical imo) also wouldn’t speedy speak out and point this instead of wait? PLAYING MCC together? Parker also liked her tweet about this matter why would he do that if what u said is true?
@@luvwslshe was a small TH-camr at the time all it took was after the situation she deleted her own reply then asked the two to delete theirs boom it’s all gone
So that's means that we don't have any evidence against her@@Luciferthekingofpurgitory
I don’t want to be a rude person on the internet, but you are missing a few points in this story, a lot of Shubble’s supporter have been sending Wilbur de@th thre@ts and telling him to c0mm!t, also that Shubble was bullying people with mental illnesses. Wilbur also looks way worse physically than he did before his break. Shubble is also milking this for all it’s worth, what Wilbur did, he could be taken to court for and gone to prison without us even knowing, but she decided to take it to the internet. Some people are also saying that this has also happened with some of her other ex-es (@busing her and stuff).
Hello, may I post your comment on Twitter of course I’ll make sure to hide your name and Pfp for your safety, I do understand if you say no, I prioritize your comfort and safety more than some Twitter drama
@@bluekidkid2 Sure! I don’t go on Twitter so I wouldn’t have found out either way. I don’t mind and Thank You for asking!
@@Im_not_creative_enough your welcome I just feel like asking is much better than immediately just posting it and putting the person who put the comment in danger. Also thank you very much!!
also she litteraly says in this video she never thought the biting was unconcentual. how many times can this woman change her story before people catch on
Abuse is NOT drama or gossip!
It is when the people involved are famous. After all, why else did you click on this video, Isla? And even if we take fame out of the equation - imagine your kid is getting secretly bullied at school, the bullies wait until teachers and friends are gone, and then they start physically assaulting your kid. Imagine they tell the principal, but there's no evidence, they beat your kid up in the playground to avoid cameras, or the principal believes the bullies over the kid because there's more of the bullies. Do you really, honestly, think the best thing for the kid and for anyone else who saw the beatings to do, is to stay completely silent and never mention it again? Because if so you should seek therapy to undo whatever mess your parents made with you that caused you to think abusers should get away with their crimes and we shouldn't warn future victims to save them from the same treatement.
bro she literally told us that she consented to everything
This is just drama LOL. If there were ANY evidence it wasn't, we would've heard something about legal action.
I’m honestly neutral about this. Wilbur gets claimed about being an abuser. But Shelby provided no evidence. So idk what’s going on forward. This drama crap is so annoying. Just admit to what is going on and move on.
hi i didn't watch the video
Id agree with you if he showed evidence or said he was was innocent… but he hasn’t. So definitely on shubble’s side
He's say yah I bit her
It not abused so I bit my little brother as a kid like I was 8 I have a bite, thing, I bit my mum arm as kid when I sleeped in her room
And I seen the bite are not even deep imbit my brother so hard it turn purple and blood came out
I was a crazy child 😅 I side with wilbur no hate to shubble
@@alicatfelix5144hes an adult man??? he knows if he should bite people or not
They both calim to have evidence, and there are eye witnesses according to shubble, yet nothing was provided. I can not in good conciousness take sides without evidence being shown.
QUICK CHECK IN.
I am a wilbur supporters so you don't have to listen to BUT I have some valuable evidence. And I'm gonna piece this together.
Around the time of them dating, shelby claimed that she was getting abused and bitten and that she was getting bruises. First off, if you look back at photos from around the time, shelby does not have bruises anywhere despite her wearing revealing clothing. And wilbur pictures? Wilbur has marks and bruises and scratches, etc. Also a little while back, (she deleted this a few days after) shubble posted a tweet saying that when she was working out, she put down the bar and it rubbed along the back of her calfs, leaving bruises even though they barely touched the bar. Now something here already doest add up.
Shubble said that she was very sensitive to bruising... and maybe wilbur does bites, but even if they were gentle she would've gotten bruises. Yet we see no bruises. So, so far we have no evidence that this claim was correct.
I'm not going to go over all of the evidence, but some quick notes I will put in. Before wilbur came back, shubble was liking and encouraging DEATH THREATS. To wilbur and his supporters even though she claimed she didn't. There is proof in a lot of places that she did this.
Even if she wasn't lying, THIS IS NOT OK.
Now lately, wilbur came back! (I am very proud of him for stepping up and moving on).
He's received a lot of backlash from shubble supporters, and wss are trying our best to make sure he's welcome.
Now if we look back to wilburs "apology", THIS WAS NOT AN APOLOGY. He never said it was an apology. It is basically just his side of the story. It wasn't wasting time. It wasn't self centered. It was just an explanation of his side of the story. And him saying "I thought the feeling and the consent were mutual" is now confirmed. Because of shubble stepping up AGAIN and talking about wilbur (which is still not ok since she keeps exposing wilburs mental health and personal life.) We know that the biting WAS consensual! But it's only because wilbur took a couple seconds to react to the safe word that she made a whole fit about it.
THIS IS COMPLETLEY NOT OK. SHELBY NEEDS TO BE BEHIND BARS FOR LYING ABOUT ABUSE. I respect people's opinions, but the toxic shelby supporters? No. And shelby supporters I hope I can change your mind.
I’m so sick of people trying to make drama out of this. She has to realize that tolerating people sending death threats to her ex is disgusting. I think people need to listen to Wilbur’s side of the story. He’s mentally ill and he needs some help because the situation will escalate.
You said that so well
You are so real for this
I'm really confused. I feel that I should just not take anyone's side till there's concrete evidence. This is... Odd.
@@luvwslShelby admitted it was consensual I’m pretty sure and so did Wilbur. She claimed she didn’t ’consent to the pain’ as if biting doesn’t bloody hurt. Biting hurts. No matter how hard you do it. It pinches at the least.
I feel like shubble is right but shes streching this way too far, its been months and its almost been forgotten and at this point shubble looks like she just wants attention
i agree to some extent but i will say with the accusation being assault and you know illegal, i do think that it shouldn't just be forgotten and chalked up to some drama and cancellation on twitter
exactly
It is forgotten and she bring it up
He move on he does not care she cares and he doesn't
It old there ex move on from it it didn't trauma her it is biteing
Move on that all it was years ago
If it was in the relationship or mouths after yah not years ylu waited for a long time to say and it not abused
@@itsme_edits uh okay she got bit a couple of times. Its not assault because he had permission he just bit too hard
Yes u I right I 100% agree and It's really important for ppl to stop gender wars like how they instantly believed Shelby just by words
The fact that wilbur addressed the situation and then moved on, just shows that he’s being the bigger person. Also the fact that stubble consents to biting but not to pain doesn’t make sense, BITING IS INHERENTLY PAINFUL!
Exactly
My current boyfriend bites me to show affection and i couldn't agree more! Biting is painful end of
@@renamamiya403that’s…. Strange
I don’t even want to argue of how stupid that statement of ‘Oh biting is pAiNfUL, bla bla’ but the fact that you think that Wilbur, someone who, purposely or not has repeatedly HURT someone and then proceeded to ‘move on’ and you go on ahead and say he’s ’the bigger person’. That is the most insane and delusional thing I have ever in this entire comment section because for one it is not ‘moving on’ it is anything but that. It is dismissing it, that is it. There is no bigger person in continuing his very social career where his reputation matters most and not addressing anything in those very serious allegations as if how that’s just a ‘silly haha’. That’s nothing. The person that was hurt? Physically and emotionally? Oh yeah no, that was a joke. Do you understand how insensitive that is? To have your abuser stand there and acknowledge those allegations and in that very same story promote his TOUR? As if what he did was alright? Who cares if it leaves bruises? Who cares if it gets bloody? Who cares? She didn’t say anything about it, so that’s okay!
@@stuffart2140 I understand and respect your point, but this Stubble and Wilbur drama started months ago. I feel that Stubble bringing it up again and again is like beating a dead horse. I understand that she said this or he said that, but it’s all just allegations and accusations with no proof. Also, the fact that Wilbur supposedly abused Shubble years ago doesn’t mean he’s an awful person now. People change; he could have grown as a person since then and learned from his mistakes. Abuse is never acceptable and never will be, but I feel like the entire drama could have been handled better, perhaps through DM’s. You can’t go to the police five years after your phone or purse has been stolen and demand that they catch the thief. Similarly, you can’t make serious allegations without any proof five years after someone did something bad to you and expect them to be punished.
I just think it’s weird that Shelby has two other exes that she accused of almost the same thing, but there was proof that she lied. And there are also pictures of wilbur being bruised and cut that were taken in the time they were dating. There’s more proof that she’s potentially the abuser than proof that Wilbur was. 🤷♀️
Uh, I didn’t expect to see you here! And I completely agree with you! It is a little weird. Which is why I’m somewhat neutral since I don’t know who to believe at the moment.
@@LiloSoot Oh hey! Yeah I feel inclined to stand up for Will, as someone who bites to show affection myself.
That in and of itself isn’t abuse and I don’t want this to turn into an Amber Heard moment
@@DustTea oh definitely. I agree with that fully. I’m glad people are standing up for Wilbur. I feel somewhat bad for him. He’s a human too and people are treating him like he’s nothing, which makes me sad
I totally agree. There is no evidence whatsoever that Shubble was being abused by Wilbur; the only thing Wilbur admitted to was being a bad boyfriend. I feel like she might be doing this for attention and pity or if she IS an abuser, then she could be trying to make Wilbur seem like an abuser to cover her abusive tendencies up. I would usually go with the person who says their being abused, but there were NO bruises or bite marks on Shubble at ALL. If she were a logical person, then she would've gotten proof. And why bring this onto social media instead? Abuse is a CRIME, so why would you bring this onto the internet unless you're seeking attention and pity?
I feel inclined to investigate, I had no idea about this honestly. Do you happen to remember their names or if there were any videos made about it? Or if there's any sort of way I could find it being addressed on social media at all?
bro lost the bedwars game and cut to skywars.
I won the bedwars game 😔
@@Blissolic suuure bro..
he always loses
@@Blissolic sure bro , we believe you totally......
@@Blissolic Upload raw footage
3:18 I’d just like to point out why I and many others haven’t defended Shelby at all, and to shine some light to the blind defenders. Although she is constantly accusing him of manipulation, she is ironically also manipulating her speech and her story, since the abusive thing he would’ve done is biting her hard, and biting her after she asked him to stop. Everything else she said on the past livestream about him: Filthy house, bad hygiene, being rude and neglectful of her, are all just him being a bad boyfriend. Not abusive. There’s a difference, and to me it just looks like she’s seeking revenge or something, if the biting isn’t the problem. 🤷♀️
I… I don’t know what to say
It's okay, you can just say you don't wanna let go of your asshole softboy comfort streamer.
She also manipulates her grammar to vilify him even in situations where he’s done nothing wrong. E.g. she says he broke up with her for “money and fame” which translates too he left to prioritise his musical passions lol, which sounds much different but essentially means the same thing in this context.
Her case is so weak that she needs to use high modality manipulative language to even convince a 12yo of her validity.
@@Lgashi.bean.s I mean, the abuse thing isn't done and neither of them haven't given anything to prove it, so we may just stay neutral until someone gives a valid evidence
I’m sorry not to be a rude person or smth ,but (i also deeply apologize if my informations are wrong ,i literally typed that at 3:00 am nd i haven’t slept.)
1-shubble supporters have been sending William gold de@th thre@ts and d0xxing him ,telling him to c0mmit.
2-William DID NOT admit that he abused her ,he only admitted to the biting situation and as he said he “i thought it was consensual” meaning she didn’t use the safe word.
3-literally shubble cousin commented on WSS saying that when she was visiting them she heard a loud clap from the other room and Wilbur came out with a red handprint on his face.(i can’t Detail these stuff,i deeply apologize.)
4- during shubble and William gold relationship,shubble wore bikinis,crop tops,shorts,etc,no bruises were seen on her and also in photos Wilbur had bruises on his neck ,hand ,etc and he always leaned away from her.
5- she said he locked her up in a room for days,my question is why she didn’t go to court.literally none of what she saying make sense.
6- shubble and shubble supporters are taking it too far ,a shubble supporter posted a photo of Wilbur n@k3d when he was literally a baby.
7-he said he doesn’t wanna talk about it for now and shubble also accused her ex Parker of abusing and when people knew she was lying ,she poofed.
WHERE THE HECK IS SHUBBLE EVIDENCE????
And guys that’s not a game that ur supporting who will win .
He also look skinnier nd ill.
That’s all I’m gonna say for now.
Oh my god…
simple, they are both in the wrong.
wilbur bit her many times, and ignored her safeword and hurt her,
shelby has liked tweets of doxxing and death threats, ask for proof of someone who killed themselves, if she really cared enough about the situation she would have pressed charges instead of going on about it on twitch and twitter and potentially farming for attention.
True
Agreed.
‘A woman is innocent until proven guilty, but a man in guilty until proven innocent’
I agree both of them are in the wrong its just the fact that im pretty sure everyone rn is in the side of shelby but i think both of them are in the wrong aswell
Did Shelby ever say Wilbur went past the safe word? On the original stream, all she said is that he would bite her until she said the safe word, but I don't think he ever violated it.
@@Weem_Queen yeah but its also dumb for her to report about wilbur more its like shes more of trying to get attention to destroy his whole career which he have worked for years i dont think its smart to just destroy someone career bc of ur personal life they had and the fact shes exposing him more and more makes it seems like he is a bad guy and again i do think wilbur is wrong abit here but she is also the wrong cuz shes exposing someone and that persons career
Wilbur is clearly mentally ill, just very good at hiding in when it comes to the Internet. I think he should be allowed to come back after a few years of therapy or other mental improvement projects.
watching the actual video: 👎
watching the bedwars/skywars gameplay: 👍
Is it that entertaining 😭
@@Blissolic bro is just that good
@@Blissolicit actually is
@@Blissolicmake more I would 100% watch it
Another thing is, let wilbur carry on. The situation already happened, he "admitted" to it and thats that. Let the guy carry on with his career and life. At this point Shubble is the 1 to blame for milking every fucking situation. IT HAPPEND. LET THE GUY FUCKING LIVE. Honestly twitter must be the most depressing thing ever man.
Buddy she was just tryna educate signs and levels of domestic abuse, he bit her till she bled and bruised, let him face the consequences to his damn actions. Lmao
@@Gooby5400Shelby is the one farming and milking for attention. They are BOTH in the wrong.
@@Gooby5400yet she has talked about it 5 times after the initial stream
ok so he was biting his gf so they broke up, she then said that the biting was CONSENTIAL but it hurt so he apologized, got canceled, and now everyone is trying to get his singing or whatever career also canceled, nice world we live in
Biggest point was that they had a safe word that he ignored.
@@Eclipsedcassowary yea bro and he absolutely wanted to hurt her, he wasnt just doing it cuz he liked her so much l0l
@@Eclipsedcassowaryexactly like the second she used the safeword the consent was no longer there, they agreed on that together
@@Eclipsedcassowaryas someone who's safeword has been ignored before, people make mistakes. people fuck up. its called communicating that with your partner and fixing it. blasting it on twitter like this is attention-seeking as fuck.
@@kittyc0nit apparently happened multiple times were even after used he would grind his teeth down harder, smirking once he’d let go…
who knew accusing people of crimes could help you grow so much as a twitch streamer
she showed picture evidence. a picture of her arms and hands with bruises…
the catch is those are pictures of wilbur’s hands and arms, not shubble’s.
What is confusing to me is that she said that she consented to biting but not pain BITES ARE SUPPOSED TO HURT😃
I completely agree. There’s always two sides to stories and people will always believe the victim. It’s annoying asf. She’s milking it instead of trying to get some actual justice.
@@Luv_Kyle fr🙌
Bruh, she ADMITTED to consenting to the biting, case closed. Bites sometimes *hurt*, then don't fuckin' agree to it? But she did. So lying bitter ex chasing clout and giving half truths. Wilbur is innocent until proven guilting in a court of law.
I agree because Bites can't just not hurt unless it's like the smallest bite, but even still, it will hurt. However, I'm just gonna see what happens because I don't exactly want any of them to be hated on just for something, which is not actually 100% proved,I hope both of them can get therapy or something like that..
from my understanding ye, and this is completely unbias as i do not watch either of them, she consented to the biting that would sometimes end in accidents of him hurting her, the hurting her is subsequent to the biting, therefore even if it started to happen more frequently she could have stopped consented to the biting...
I am not defending him, but i am saying that she is a muppet for failing to communicate with him in the relationship they have.
now as for will, i dont know the evidence behind him lying to his therapist but he prob has some shit going on in his life after the breakup as well, if everything said is true then he is a muppet for lying to his therapist and he should do it for himself, not the online reputation.
now for the bigger problem, nobody was seriously harmed, shelby agreed to the biting (the harm itself was subsequential and unintended + even if it was intended it still all came from the biting, therefore she could have said no at any time), everybody online seems to take her side + make it an entire drama, i feel bad for the guy since it seems like it wasn't like he was abusing her (i will never see this shit as abuse) and she consented to it all the way throughout the relationship, sounds to me like she is abusing her platform to make a fuss and gain more traction online (mostly due to the fact she never named him but described him so specifically making her seem more the victim, she also knows that people online will catch on and start making a fuss about it naming will specifically). they are both degenerates and i do not believe any of them are in the right and if anything that they both need to look at themselves in the mirror and ask themselves if thats who they want to be
your comment summarised: "both parties are at fault, miscommunication, and online drama exploitation."
@@丫 basically, i just had to make it long so nobody is gonna come at me or some shit
@@Aiotex lmao
Wow and I thought the last comment that made this argument was stupid. This one is crazy.
@kieronchick1663 you don't have to agree, that's why it's opinions, everybody can think what they want and use freedom of speech to say it, but don't it stupid, quite rude to call someone's opinion stupid without giving a reason just bc u don't agree with it.
Honestly if I was shulb. I would say my part and leave it at that. If Wilbur wants to keep going let him, as long as his not abusing. The more she puts fuel in the fire the worse she makes herself look.
20 seconds ago is gonna make me lose my streak
oh hell nah youtube comments weird asf
@@fruitsalad5865this is *NOT* normal on this platform, this dude just a tad fruity.
lowkey shes kinda indoctrinating the area of consent by saying, "i consented to biting, not hurting" even if he hurt you "via bite" YOU CONSENTED. it doesnt matter because she was consensual to the fact he had a biting, tendency void of whether he hurt her while doing that biting tendency
this beef felt ages ago and at this point i no longer give a fuck. but i mean other than that you got a slight point but i think what shubble is trying to imply is that she wasn't consenting to him biting her aggressively or causing her harm and at some point she probably told him to stop and he didn't
well other than that i'm neutral because there is zero evidence of willbur doing that. but from another side him talking about it proves something like that sort did happen but from another side it seems like shubble might have some bs in her side of story bc she has zero bruises on her
Your comment would have to be one of the stupidest statements ever made.
@@kieronchick1663 pipe down
@@kieronchick1663 and why?
I mean I don’t mind him coming back as long as he Dosnt do something like that again to anyone ever again (I didn’t really want to choose a side with this)
(Thats if he did actually do it tbh you never really know at this point)
agreed
Wilbur can definitely come back He just need more time and actually address the problem truthfully and carefully, I really want him to come back Since I used to be a Really Big fan of him but To Ignore the Problem and Just come back like nothing happen Its Unacceptable
BRO LEAVE THE DRAMA ALONE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR SO LONG SURE PEOPLE DO BAD THINGS EVERYONE DOES EVERYONES FOCUSING ON THIS AND NOT REAL PROBLEMS
I really wish I really wish all of this was done in private and not on the media
I dont know why Shelby didnt go to the court or the police(if u do please tell me) but saying something huge on social media can and did effect so many lives.... A lot of other streamers, and TH-camrs faced the same allegations, and some of them were fake, and a lot of people decided to take advantage of this and lie about being abused by them
Now look at Wilbur he is way skinnier than I remember him and that's actually concerning. I'm not saying I'm taking his side or I'm not saying I'm taking Shelbys side but this should've been talked and done in private.
Some people are crazy. They send death threats to both sides, and here are the results. This man isn't doing OK and even if he was actually guilty, that's still doesn't mean he's not human it's obvious he was extremely affected by the situation.
(ngl I was so scared he might commit suicide.)
Shelby saying biting can be harmless is just weird. She shouldnt consent and at this point shes just being stupid. Also why bring this whole drama up other than for views. Shes just trying to milk it
Biting can be a way of people showing affection eg cute aggression, you can genuinely google it!
And you can do it in a way that doesn't hurt, more feels like a clamp
Her issue was that he was doing it too hard and doing it when she said no
@@thomasomalley6320yeah but why not communicate this with your partner instead of airing out your dirty laundry on twitter for the entire globe to see? seems weird.
@@thomasomalley6320she didn’t communicate this though she just said “ yes you can keep biting me “
I’m so tired of controversy in the Minecraft community.
Ok... he's a weird guy who likes biting. She wasn't comfortable with him being a weird guy who likes biting. He isn't good with boundaries. She ended their relationship. Am I missing something? How is that abuse? Real abuse is about enforcing control. Physical violence is just part of it. This seems like the kind of thing you end a relationship over. Not ruin someone's career.
YEAH
If it was harming her, why didn't she say earlier? Why didn't she go to the police instead of the internet wtf? Why hasn't she? No evidence, and it was just to ruin Wilbur and to push her career forward. Wilbur dumped her.
And here you go - the victim blaming. Why didn't the victim do this, do that, do another thing - maybe because she didn't know how to act in that situation in that moment? It's not the fault of the victim that they never said anything about the abuser. And let's make things clear, since you can't really read nor listen:
- in the original video she talked about her ex, she never mentioned his name, she wanted to share her experiences so that other people can react faster than she did.
- Wilbur literally admitted to being the person she was talking about. "She tried to ruin his career"? Please. He said it by himself that he was biting her and that he "thought" it's fine. Never really caring about when to stop, even while being told to.
@chvv7776 This is cute, but no. If she is, in fact, a victim, then she should take legal action. But she hasn't, even after it broke that Wilbur is the person in question. When confronted with this, she said that not everyone can afford to, but the fact is she can. She never mentioned his name but gave enough clues to make it obvious. It's called plausible deniablity. Take Wilbur's word for just a second. Imagine he did think it was consensual. Because it was, she said so. The thing is your entire fucking argument relies on Shelby's testimony. You notice he never said, "I'm sorry for abusing you"?? She couldn't win in court if she wanted to. Why is Shelby's word automatically truth? Because she's a victim? Prove it! I'm not victim blaming because she straight up hasn't proven anything. We don't convict on testimonials alone. Stfu bro.
@@Lost_Delos Are delusional? Okay, let me put the evidence, Wilbur's own statement:
"During our relationship's final months, I became slobbish, disrespectful and selfish" - ah yes, so for sure he was treating her right. You really need to encourage that behaviour.
"These actions caused a lot of pain to my ex-girlfriend" - literally admitted that he hurt her, even if it was meant as "not physically".
"I have come to realise how my past behaviour hurt this person" - so now people like *you* need to make sure to scream that "he didn't do anything wrong!!!1!1"
Let me get a few facts straight - in this world, most cases of abuse, even if true, won't be proven in court. It's very hard to win something like this and in this case, it wouldn't even go too far, since there's no long lasting effects on Shelbie's body. But does that mean that the way he was treating her was fine? Absolutely not.
He admitted to being a jerk, which honestly, should be enough for people like you to stop defending him as if he was some sort of hero. But the form of abuse - biting, it was so obvious that he had a huge problem with that. If not believe Shelby, then listen to Nihachu - she mentioned in her past streams that Wilbur "keeps biting people". She was obviously weirded out by that, but when the entire thing came out, she also admitted to seeing some of the behaviour Shelby was mentioning - that was also one of the reasons why she wanted to stop being associated with him.
@chvv7776 Ad hominem, I'm not delusional. Being slobbish and disrespectful are not crimes. Sure, he probably wasn't treating her the best. He can admit that, I can admit that. You're guessing that the pain he said he caused might've been physical. But again, she has yet to prove anything. But you don't care about evidence. When it comes down to it, you took her side because she cried about it online. Yes, Wilbur bites, but that doesn't make it abuse. She said it herself she felt it was consensual to point. And everyone else didn't say it was abuse, just that it was weird. Wilbur even said that he went to therapy for it.
Let me get the facts straight. In the world, wrongful unlawful convictions happen most often because of testimony. Evidence doesn't lie, but she definitely could. Abuse is terrible. No one is saying it isn't. But I just would like to see something other than a bunch of testimony. The lack of evidence doesn't seem fair for the amount of hate and general lack of understanding by the public. Most people haven't taken the time to understand the situation, and just hear "Wilbur bad, Wilbur bites" and say OK.
I know you've convinced yourself that Shelby was abused, I'm not going to argue anymore. Please remember that you can argue with someone and not have them be an enemy.
@chvv7776 Also, sorry for swearing and telling you to shut up. That didn't help anything
Wilbur does look to good like he not getting sleep and hasn’t been eating
Seems like these allegations were hardcore on Wilbur i mean just looking at him so skinny is just damn.
I can’t believe she’s milking all of this. I’m on Wilbur’s side whether anyone disagrees or not.
Same
true
personally i’m neutral but shubble is suspicious as hell
@@cherriesunderrocks5872 yeah. I kinda wanna go neutral as well but she just too suspicious..
Yeah because her fans have been sending him de@th threats and have as been threatening to dox him while some of her other fans have also commited because of her.
I hope this matter is settled soon, i also hope wilbur is not guilty of committing these acts, but we must stay neutral until the truth is revealed
I SAW A GUY THAT LOOKED LIKE WILBUR YESTERDAY IT WAS SUPER CRAZY
Im just gonna say i take no sides, will accepted it and he apologized, like 3 paragraphs were found in that apology. I don’t feel like he should loose his career, i don’t feel like he should loose his ability to just exist on the internet, but he does need to take some time off, think about it, and just try to better himself and the people around him.
Okay so im about to say my opinions on everything and even tho i am disappointed about wilburs actions im very neutral on the situation tho we don't have proper evidence provided there has indeed been more then one person giving there own experiences so when i hear people disrespecting Shelby it does make me wonder "do these people consider that Shelby wasn't the only one who claimed to have been harmed" because i recall aslo a old member of Lovejoy a trumpet player getting bitten by him as well as the aligations from a woman named Alice i feel like not enough people are considering that. Tho as i previously stated i am disappointed in the actions i am happy to see he's at least okay because from what i heard he had been being doxed and sent death threats and yes what he did was wrong but those people are not being any better in my perspective so im happy to see he's at least okay and i know things probably won't but i hope that wilbur improves as a person and there be a better outcome.. As said im not trying to say "this opinion is right yours is wrong" that is NOT my intention this is just my own thoughts and i will respect if you don't share my opinion
There's been pictures of Wilber bruised and "beaten" around his eyes, which is a very rare place to have an accident, where as on shelby there has never been an actual media taken capture of any harm, only the ones that were designated to prove that she was harmed, which leads me to think it might've been faked, not to say wilbur didn't bite her or anything, its a kink, a really weird one at that, but nothing equal to what some people have done on the internet and continue to live cancel-free
honestly, shubble should’ve just left it. im neutral in this situation, but at this point shubble is annoying me. it’s like she’s saying shit for attention. she even responded to wilbur coming back ABOUT THE DRAMA. did wilbur even mention the drama? no. “oOh I cOnSeNtEd ThE bItInG bUt NoT tHe HaRmInG” he harmed her BY biting so technically wilbur was allowed to bite. like honestly, shubble is just mad annoying and attention seeking at this point
Then fact that shubble didn’t point it out after they broke up.Cause’ she pointed it out in feb.24.2024 but they broke up in November..
Me when I saw Shelby I said “ew don’t show that b-“
honestly sheldy should just move on. like we dont have to keep this drama going. we should atleast support both of them if the drama isnt gonna end.
Her career literally depends on him now 😭😭
~Y
She is just trying to bait Wilbur into making another apology so that the internet goes crazy again.
At this point I don't wany to get my hopes up about either of them 😒
6:08 Bro got a master’s degree on drama farming💀☠️
He looks skinnier, that’s good, means he’s been biting less people.
These are just dumb allegations, I swear they’re fake. You will all realise it soon.
HE ADMITTED TO IT
@@Bob12649 admitted to being selfish/slobish, not abuse. theres a difference
Wilbur response is not a apology
yes it is
he litterally said "i apologize for any pain i may have caused" and thats not an apology?
@@wilthegoogoobieIt may have been an apology but it sucked
It was a statement a apology can be inside a statement if it was an apology Wilbur would of said “yes I did it im sorry” instead Wilbur said “ no I didn’t do it I am sorry if it apparently hurt you though”
@@ChexzMixthat’s what everyone says when they just don’t believe the person . The apology doesn’t suck.
@@seru_phius It does.
I don’t like Wilbur or support him in any way but I hope he’s taking care of himself and getting help.
Well, abuse is a serious matter. You can get imprisoned in that. I recommend that she take this matter to court.
Wilbur should deffintly take a break from the internet and realize what he's done wrong
What did he do
If you can give me and honest to god answer, I'll agree, but you need evidence before you make any claim about anyone.
@@Eevie0_0 watch the video if you wanna find out
@@Prensovfx he's innocent until proven guilty about the abuse accusations, there is no way to know if what he did was to intentionally hurt shubble, only time will tell ig, but during that time I hope people stop farming the shit out of this topic smh it's been months especially shubble since she's kind of dragging it out now. have a lovely night or day 👍
@@pablovicygj i agree tbh, it's hard to know for sure
I'm hoping the reason he can't say much more is because he is signed to a record label and there could be legal things stopping him.
I thought i was the only one who thought he looked skinnier
blissolic keep up the great work we need u to expose all theses creeps
Love when people click bait. All Wilbur "exposed himself" with is that he does bite, however we don't know what kind of biting playful or hurtful, or if it was consent or not. Or hell they all could lying the bites could have never happened cause we have zero evidence it's all he said she said. We can't prove the biting did happen or not, and ppl will say "Wilbur confirmed it himself" for all we know he could be lying that he did bite. And the evidence of "multiple people have come out saying he did bite and caused bruises!" again you can't use speech as evidence we need actual evidence audio recordings, photos, recordings etc.
On the topic of evidence WHY THE FUCK IS THEIR NO POLICE REPORTS? If it was abuse why didn't any of them call the police on Wilbur huh?
Just don't pick a side right now and don't clickbait.
Absolutely correct here
Wilbur admitted to it. In a lot of cases of abuse there are no police reports, either because the victim is embarrassed due to what happened to them or from the fear of the police not taking them seriously. Usually, at least from my understanding, multiple witnesses AND the defendant admitting to abuse themself is evidence enough for most people (I understand that he didn't admit to biting in a hurtful/abusive manner, but again, given how many witnesses there are claiming that he bit them, it would be fair to assume that it wasn't in a playful manner). You aren't "defending" Wilbur, you are using this situation as a way to spread your own beliefs (just to clarify, I am not talking about religious beliefs, obviously, I have all respect for people of faith, your beliefs possibly stem from sexism). Also, if I may, I would like to point out multiple grammatical errors in your comment, as I am feeling quite petty given the nature of your response to this video.
1: What kind of biting IT was, playful or hurtful (you forgot a comma)
2: if it was consensual or not, you used the wrong form of the word "consent"
3: or hell, they could be lying (missing comma once again).
I could go on, but I can't be bothered to waste any more time arguing over a TH-cam comment.
I believe (but don't quote me in this because I can't find the stream where Shelby said it) because of the way the UK legal system works it had been too long to take legal action
Also Shubble never wanted it to go this far, she was just trying to show awareness towards the subject and show how she had been subject to that type of abuse as well. But the Internet it the Internet and things get blown up
U earned yourself a sub
@@stanvol Ok so firstly, I don't care about grammar it's a TH-cam comment, what are you the grammar police?
Secondly, Wilbur only "admitted" in a random post on twitter about biting not abuse I've checked, it's all he said she said there is no evidence to prove what he or she is saying is true. He could be lying for all we know just to get ppl off his back.
Thirdly, true about the police reports however MULTIPLE VICTIMS not making a single one? Little suspicious don't you think?
Fourthly, I'm using this to put out my beliefs, me being sexist? You're high my man I never sided with either of them nor said either of them are wrong or right. I'm just saying the facts how they are.
I don't exactly trust Shelby, something is very off about her.
I haven't done a whole lot of research, I still don't know what to think, but there's one thing i'll hold onto forever: I just hope everyone is okay, shubble, Niki, but I also hope wilbur's getting help, I don't want him to d¡e (wanting someone to d¡e is one of the worst thing ever, in my opinion, I do understand why people want that sometimes, but I don't want anybody to d¡e), I want him to change for the better, to become a better person, to actually apologize, that's it. I just hope everybody's fine
The card stacking has been insane with this bs propaganda
TLDR: Don’t become a Minecraft creator you’ll turn to become really weird!
nice og handle bro
@@丫 what?
@@alloyspirityour youtube handle as in @Baryonyx or @TheDiamondMinecart
Don't forgive shubble.
She causes a lot of damage.
Should he be "allowed" on the internet? Some people have some crazy authoritarian tendencies...
I am genuinely confused on why she didnt take this to court, why tell the internet instead???? At least say it after court smh 🤦🏻♀️
i thought he killed himself or something T.T
Ok do you see any bruises on “it”/shelby if you look at Wilbur he had a black eye cuts on his hands bruise on his neck
this all has been very weird
people say that shubble lied, but others claimed she didnt?
i’ll have to wait till more information comes out
All I can say is, after watching this video my opinion is, she consented to it, and without further evidence it’s impossible to know if what will did was malicious or not. He had consent to do it and was never told otherwise so continued.
Furthermore in regards to him not touching on the topic, he said he’s not in a place to talk about it more and his save face was enough for the time being. He might not want to talk about it further, out of shame, from what people think of him, when he thought it was consensual and was never told otherwise. Im by no means picking sides because in this interaction it’s all of what each party believed to have happened, so we can’t know.
Casual reminder that Shelby may not have shown any photographic evidence, but Wilbur also never denied any of it. Actually he confirmed it. He never said he was sorry once in his “apology” statement, either.
I personally don’t get why people are saying Shelby is doing this for views. She didn’t even say who it was in the first video. Wilbur himself confirmed it. Honestly I do get why people are upset because this has gone on for so long, but that is no excuse to start hating on someone. It’s disgusting seeing how many threats have been sent out. Both to Shelby AND to Wilbur. Regardless if Wilbur did do this or not that does not justify being absolutely disgusting saying things like he should die, sending threats, more.
Shelby is a victim. Stop acting like she isn’t.
will seems to have a cult following, his recent music video having some interesting sayings. "come back we're waiting for you"
This is too nuanced. I need them both to just make content not abt it bc it’s a past relationship, it is NOT our business. I think the way Wilbur is treating it like a private matter is actually rly mature. A lot of this stuff just sounds like the complications of a relationship n of mental health. Aka, not our business. I like Wilbur’s content. I also know he’s a person. He’s made mistakes in the past, he’s messed up, n he struggles w mental health n relationships as he’s said in his music, n as so many ppl do. This stuff should’ve stayed a private matter. Shelby n Wilbur both needa heal from it NOT blow it up. Shelby’s “exposing him” is like using the internet as a venting port n that’s not ok. Wilbur’s reacting to it as a whole was just indulging the internet’s cancel culture.
I personally have supported shubble when these allegations summed up to prove Wilbur guilty, and I thought it was over. (hint: I was wrong) But seeing how she’s bringing up the same situation after *3 whole months* just makes her look like an attention seeker. Now I’m not saying I’m on Wilbur’s side (just to clarify) but isn’t it a bit odd to bring it back up after it’s been done with? He was making a statement about his band to inform any of his fans (if he has any left) about the tour. Saying “that’s all I want to say on this topic for now” isn’t brushing it off, it’s hinting that he will (most likely) make an apology and/or a statement about the situation. Reminder: I am NOT on either side and this is just my opinion!!
I agree, I think they're both mildly in the wrong. As a victim of abuse, it's kinda just now milking it for sympathy and attention. Honestly, if Wilbur is trying to change, trying to improve, I say let him. It's kinda messed up not to let a person grow or change after something they know is wrong. Then you become the one in the wrong.
@@RandomLostLoser. Thank you for understanding my opinion and not attacking me-im also sorry you were a victim of abuse and I hope you’ve recovered
WHERE IS THE PROOF???
Love to hear you talking about this, send me that amazing pack name though!! ❤
Is blissolic dutch? The wilbur screen recording shows some dutch words
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Its unfortunate that Wilbur picked up so many of the chronically online fans who idolized him when he was just trying to enjoy Minecraft with his friends.
I subbed to his music channel forst when he was still doing Crywank covers under bridges.
Everyone makes mistakes, we found Wilbur's, who cares? Move on. We like his music we like his band, glad to see him back.
(This is my opinion so pls don't come for me)
There is physical evidence (Photos) of injuries on Wilbur, during the time they were dating. Some in the WSS say that Wilbur was the one being abused, and I think it is a fair claim.
Or it was a mutual abusive relationship
@ALAnimationRL Yeah. that iss an option
@ALAnimationRL *is
i respect shelby’s opinion, as any person should. but she should NOT have brought it to the internet. relationships can fall into so many grey areas, especially in this nature, and to vent openly about someone she KNEW would get exposed, her ex boyfriend who she has since parted ways with and are both living their own lives, is completely inappropriate. i get it, i’ve been in situations like she has, if not completely the same. i am more than allowed to go get my own help, vent to my friends, and build on myself as a person. this does not mean outing that person to everyone they know just because they hurt me. i am not on wilbur’s side by any means, but i am also not on shelby’s side. god this situation is a mess and i’m so tired of everyone acting like it’s something they can freely comment on. it isn’t, and shelby should’ve never indicated that. she is limiting ways for wilbur to get help, limiting his friends, limiting his mental health. he is not being given room to grow. everyone is simply just not wanting to accept him as anything else than the guy who abused shelby. speaking of, while you can excuse everything else being public domain. you CANNOT excuse conversations about his therapy. that stuff is PRIVATE. whether or whether not he is improving mentally should not he a testament to how good of a person he is, and it disgusts me that i have to say that. god, this is just a mess
Me and my friend were debating, a few months ago when this occurred, what actions would allow Wilbur ‘back’. We decided if he wrote a mediocre apology, one that actually has the word “sorry” in it, waited a few months (6ish) then maybe he could come back.
Not 3.5 months later, saying no more than an admittance, expecting everyone to just ignore it.
At this point it just feels like shubble just wants to never move on from this even after Will's apology, and will's trying his best to just move on from everything and continue his career, but shelby just wants to really farm for more attention and it feels like she'll keep on doing it everytime Will will ever try to make a comeback lol
the pack isint working i put it on and it just shows default minecraft?
My girlfriend was physical abused by her ex boyfriends she was raped best everyday she cries every time she talks about It all My friend who were physical abused cry over the abuse and have to see a therapist
waut wait wait are you dutch or is the IG story not your screen recording?
he's 1000% dutch.
‼i really enjoy lovejoys and try not to think too much about the fact that wilbur ALLEGEDLY abused someone. i strongly believe in innocent UNTIL proven guilty and this is one of those cases.
when you deeply think about it shubble hasnt provided us with ANY proof that she was abused, and all of us are just BLINDLY believing her.
wilburs 'APOLOGY' was never really an apology more of a STATEMENT and he admitted to his slobbish behaviour but NEVER to nonconsensual biting etc.
theres a LOT of evidence stacked up against shubble and i HIGHLY suggest you go have a look and a deep dive into that as well.
another thing i would like to point out is the fact that when anyone asks shubble for evidence she ends up blocking the person and brushing off the situation?
for now wilbur isnt 'brushing it off' hes choosing not to talk about it RIGHT NOW for the sake of his own mental stability, he is also human at the end of the day.
you always need both sides of the story, i am staying neutral in this whole situation and will continue to enjoy lovejoy and wilburs solo music!!
not here to start an argument, only to educate ‼
Uhhh so I have 1 question? Doesn’t it hurt to get bit? Didn’t she think it would hurt? Biting doesn’t just not hurt? Like what?
I'm not one who has experience with it, but I would assume the biting is softer than biting something like food. I guess it's kinda like a nibble almost with a lil more pressure?
@@Theghostinthefloors i would guess it still hurts
Apparently it wasn't the pain that would bother her, but the fact that he would continue even after she'd used the safe word to indicate she'd hit her pain threshold.
@@Danyka4 ok yea. Butttttt even her cousin said she never had bruises (that she saw anyways) but she had heard wil get slapped in the hotel room. Listen to Amazon Standing Lamp and Trying Not To Think About It.
it can hurt if you bite hard (i bite myself)
i would like to point out. he didnt deny it. she said it was consentual. no one mentioned a safeword. IF SHE DIDNT WANT IT. THEN DON'T CONCENT.
This is crazy.
U made a thumbnaail that wasnt real and saying it was new days later after pelple already made the same, i really thought it was new new ,thats why u dont clickbait pls
I feel like ignoring the situation for now is the best decision he can make right now. Because if he just continues to keep responding to the allegations he will just receive a bigger punishment rather than being stupid he is being mature in this situation. Besides hes only speaking that statment as for now. And besides ignoring the situation is also ignoring what people have to say on the internet and not having to worry about the allegations is avoiding the internet
Im neutral on this one i cant take sides for they’re BOTH BAD
Shubble did a GOOD JOB comming out at telling everyone what he di
Willbur did SOMETHING VERY BAD by abusing her
Wilbur DID SOMTHING BAD by not holding himself accountable in his apolog
Shubble DID SOMETHING BAD by not controlling her supporters
Subble’s supporters did SOMETHING ILLEGAL: doxxing willbur and sending his supporters threats etc.
Overall:
WILLBUR IS ALSO IN wrong
and So is SHUBBLE
Let me say that I do not support Wilbur's actions nor am I a fan of him.
However, seeing Wilbur's response to this situation proves that he is someone who is willing to change and people should stop harassing him over this. We rarely see content creators who have done wrong things own up to their mistakes!
The way shubble handled the situations was also incredibly stupid. She could have bought up this situation in court or privately, and not spread this online. It's her own problem and now it is everyone's problem.
"I just think it’s weird that Shelby has two other exes that she accused of almost the same thing, but there was proof that she lied. And there are also pictures of wilbur being bruised and cut that were taken in the time they were dating. There’s more proof that she’s potentially the abuser than proof that Wilbur was." This was commented by another commenter which I'd also like to bring up.
Shubble also supported caitibugzz and said caitibugzz was a child at that time. EXCUSE ME? CAITIBUGZZ WAS 18 THEN AND SHE WAS 6 MONTHS PLUS FROM 18????? I personally do not like Shubble, but I assure you, I do not have any biasness in this situation.
I personally stay neutral. While yes I do believe that Shubble initially got abused, to me I lost some trust(?) in her words when she started too support CatiBugz. And there are just too many facts playing with that like the Death threats wilbur got and her laughing at that. She also responded to a thing that TOTALLY didn’t include her or concern her in anyway(Wilbur’s instagram story in that case). To me that’s just senseless provocation. I do not deny, Wilbur is at fault and *should* and *must* get Therapy. There is a factor where it’s just acceptable anymore. On both sides.
WilburSoot gonna have to say bye bye to the community again 🤫🧏♂️