@@OppWasTaken uh well, idk if this guy is a slop and having bedwars in the background isn't really there for views. I honestly just like watching the gameplay and listening to his points of view. but hey, i don't wanna fight about this, so these are just my thoughts.
@TheSecretYT-hg1bm i get that. I was just comparing the video style to tiktok shorts that have the subway surfers gameplay to keep people from scrolling off their video
a lot of people say how dream manipulates people and his audience, but no one talks about how tommy shamelessly exaggerates his claims and use words to frame dream to look worse. dream has never been so confident in any situation to claim that he was innocent, but tommy in his video treats himself as if he was this innocent victim who was being harassed by dream, taking the moral high ground and making dream look like he's lost his sanity or some shit. also want to mention how toxic tubbo's stream chat is. tubbo is a really nice person but his chat is unbearable. they're all worse than the people their trying to judge
its crazy how 95% took tommys side because hes seen as "more mature" nowadays (which hes not, he unnecessarily started this drama with baseless accusations)
@@Lumin_MC Not exactly, His criticism revolved mainly around Dream not addressing what Tubbo criticized him for in the stream and only pointing up Tommy's wrongdoings to highlight his mistake and downgrade his own. Tubbo also disproved Dream demaing Tommy regarding the child labour claims by providing the reasons of the laid out invoices. However, Except that all other thing that Dream says holds true regardless. Infact, I'd go on to say Tubbo is biased as he himself only focused on Dream's wrongdoings and never pointed out Tommy's wrongdoing while criticizing Dream for the same thing. I won't go far to say its hypocritical but rather "interesting".
These are my thoughts: Tommy should not have done all the immature things he did, such as calling everyone out and instigating fights, Dream should not have said the R slur but he apologized so that's that (And the community really needs to stop being double sided) Dreams video he uploaded has some gaping flaws, but then again so does tommys. Even from a biased perspective I believe that both should have either not started this, or worked this out privately. Conclusion: they both act like 5 year olds
@@wasdwawasdthe editors said they were paid well and dream got some other info wrong. The video overall is way better then Tommy's and dream is in the right entirely
@@scaryspoons yeah nothing dream did wasn't either something Tommy did or not that big of a deal. If you try and get angry at dream you should be more mad at Tommy
Tommyinnit saying "I blocked him everywhere" and then sharing his"message" with Dream in front of his entire audience is just such an immature thing to do.
if im being completely honest, it just seems like people actively look for ways to hate on dream also everything in tommy's video after the part about the r word seems like it was added on last minute
@ghostytoasty6024 tommys video right after the r word is just filler and baseless accusations to get more revenue, youd know if you watched dreams video
I’m just thinking of how this is going to bite Tommy and his friends in the ass in the near future. He’s pretending to be a perfect human being, criticizing Dream for being “sexist” when Tommy’s entire humor consisted of making jokes about women, he’s clinging onto already debunked allegations and throwing fuel into the fire because he knows that’s what is going to give him views and that Twitter validation. I watched Tubbo’s stream where he and Dream “cleared” things up and it’s so obvious to me that Tommy’s entire friend group is throwing jabs at him because they simply don’t fw Dream rather than being worried about victims and about the serious issues being discussed. It sucks. Tubbo kept calling Dream sexist for the stupidest reasons and ended the stream making him talk about his sexuality?? How does no one bat an eye at that??
@Kelebora there's basically no info on what ludwig was talking about, even dream said he has no clue who ludwig was talking about because he refuses to share anything about the person or the situation to "respect their privacy" so i think it's difficult to just take ludwigs word for something he claims happened
Yeah this is just another Nick eh 30 incident but with people still following Arcch or in this case Tommy. People just won't change, they apparently never will..
Because, They're fucking senseless dude. I fucking lost my mind seeing some messages sent by people on stream, just freaking believing anything on the spot and commenting such cruel stuff about them without even considering that the information might be false as everything is revolved around allegations. ffs, the contrast in tommy's and dream's comment section in the videos published by them is what disgusted me. In tommy's video, everyone was belittling Dream and calling him slurs while hyping Tommy. But, In Dream's comment section, These people are legit commenting trolls, saying jokes and not even giving a crap about his side of the story. Their entire fanbase are dogmatic drama obsessed betrayers.
Correction: The text that Dream sent to Tommy was not about the "If TH-camrs Were Honest..." video. It was about an instance in which Tommy joked about Dream being a PDFile in 2021 before the allegations. This had apparently happened many times before and Dream was frustrated.
i swear man. the thing is if tommy had actual evidence this whole thing would have been delt with in minutes, but all this kid can do is throw around random allegations and hope for the best lmfao
yea, the overwhelming amount of preexisting negative sentiment towards dream makes it extremely hard for him to convince people otherwise, so it's not surprising to see that so far most debunk/drama channels (that i've seen, at least) are siding with tommy (when I watched Tommy's video I actually thought it felt really weird!). especially when a lot of the bystanders don't know the full story (thanks for explaining that btw i had no idea lol). i've never been a big fan of dream's content but i find all the misdirected hate to be undeserved, frankly. tldr: cancel culture sucks lmao
it's really hard to be sympathetic to tommy's group when dream has been near silent and complimentary while they've brought him up and insulted him for the past 1.5 years 💀 i fear the crash out was a long time coming
@@WolfHardcorps Dude Tommy is such a immature child, Anything real friends would just ignore he takes to heart and tries to "cancel" someone, he is so pathetic atp
Maybe I'm just not informed, but how can you "dislike" Dream? Isn't he just a Minecraft youtuber? He doesn't really show any of his perspectives and views. More like "neutral" to Dream, because I don't think there is really anything to really "dislike" him. But maybe he does some things on twitter or any other social media. Not hating tho, I have just seen so many people saying this like they just "want" or need to have a problem with him, because its considered bad to like him apparently. But hey, I don't watch drama from Dream like ever so take this with a grain of salt.
Tommyinnit essentially calling Dream a child for not growing up while simultaneously saying he didn't like Mizkif, the "grown up" thing to do would be to not answer the question.
Then why do adults raise kids these days with the “honesty is the best policy” and then say people haven’t grown up when they’re answering questions honestly?
@@GamerDude-mb7xxnot answering wouldn't be dishonesty, I'm sure it's within someone's right to choose not to answer a question, especially if answering would cause problems (which it did)
Dream's response video really shed light on the situation and brought up some valid points. It's important to consider all perspectives before forming an opinion.
It's because Tommy has constantly starting beefs and dream has already been painted as a bad guy and he repeatedly got hate from the audience. That's why he responded ig
@@Tanmay0607 i’ll admit saying that wasn’t okay but i think people are taking it too far. it’s a word, and it’s only as bad as you take it. it’s the same as saying “dumb” or “stupid” imo, and it shouldn’t have been blown out of proportion. also since the internet is pretty much dream’s entire career, when it’s _the internet_ painting him as a monster he needs to clear it up so he doesn’t lose his career from people believing it blindly.
dream really has no choice, its a lose lose for him. if he avoids the drama people shit on him even more and if he interacts with the drama people shit on him just because they feel like it
@@Tanmay0607you can’t avoid something when your trying to resolve these issues privately but then you got the idiot Tommy leaking private DMs trying to make him look like the bad guy, he makes baseless accusations and dream had no choice but to respond back
I saw this coming ngl. That's how Tommyinnit did since he started bro was chasing people like a dog. He was chasing Dream and Technoblade like crazy. Now when he doesn't "Need" Dream anymore he just throws him under the buss. Like I remember back in the days the 2017 era when Tommyinnit was a normal kid doing skywars mega parties streams (I was on his streams) but now he is just becoming arrogant and thinks he owns the world and belittling Dreams minecraft content when his career started with minecraft. He thinks he is something by doing new stuff like opening a podcast and trying to be comedian. Bro randomly went to do 3v1 and expects it to go well.
How I can see this situation is that Dream is in the right, and it's been blown out of proportion by Tommy so much! As for the George and Caiti situation? People sided with George because he showed evidence, he was honest and consistent and calm, whilst Caiti was not consistent, in fact when she says she meant to say she was fresh out of high school and not freshly 18- it's like, did you really? because you said your wrote it all down in that first stream! If this story was truely what she made it out to be, then she would've made sure that her facts were correct. To me, who isn't fan of anyone in the dream circle of the internet and Caiti, it seemed like a drunken misunderstanding between two adults. I do not care how freshly 18 you are, if you're a content creator- you cannot be so naive. The internet itself is so cruel, if she truly felt uncomfortable by George she would've been more cautious, drunk or not. Also- the power imbalance implied to be there by Caiti? WAS HER FAULT! She put George on a pedastol! Since he was consistent and I believe his story, I don't think he's the kind of person to use their power as a content creator over someone. Anyways back to the current drama, Dream has shown screenshots, full evidence of what he has said and done in dms and text. I also think, as an AuAdhder myself, that allowing someone to attack Dream countless times with slurs, then turning around and acting like he's a monster for reposting a meme, is extremely hypocritical. I also think words can have several meanings, because that is factual! Retard is a slur against people like myself, but it also is used to mean someone who is stupid or foolish, perhaps immature. The slur meaning to attack disablities- is calling us slow, mentally challenged, etc, whilst the slang meaning to attack someone, anyone, is on the basis of you calling them an idiot, not on the basis of them being disabled. From how I see it- That meme was calling Tommyinnit Fans idiots, not calling them mentally challenged and that some people, like Tommy, do not see that and react in quite a over the top way. Also, if Dream asked Tommy to chill on joking in a mean way, calling him a predator and portraying him in a poor light, and he didn't, I do not see an issue with Dream going to Tommy's mother, who has a presence on social media and basically going "hey maybe you and Tommy should chill, for all our sakes?" Tommy is a young man, he is still immature and I doubt the internet fame has helped. Dream does bad things too, but that doesn't mean he can't be in the right for situations or be a victim in a situation.
@ No -.- I’m a neutral person assessing the situation, is that hard to believe? I have literally never watched a single one of dream’s videos, nor Tommy’s or any of that lot’s
I asked my friend on Tommy's side why he was on Tommy's side even though he didn't provide any proof at all and he replied with "he looked genuine" completely ignoring the fact he could be Manipulating them... He literally didn't provide any proof.
And nearly all of them has that reason They are focused on believing Tommy lies and demantling any arguments made by Dream so they don't even stop to consider that there's no proof to tommy claims
@KitsuneCB5F I watched the videos. Both of tommy and Dream. And the other 7h Stream, and the reddit response AND Tubbo and dream stream discussing with each other. And sorry but what you are saying here is false Just to prove it, the screens were legit just not about tommy current editors just old ones that used the leeway tommy have them by not being involved in the process to get fans to help them edit things, his current editors confirmed the discord from the people who sent it to him is legit. The "didn't" cut is irrevelant to the context because the "I'm thinking" in those screenshots already show that he didn't do it and just thought about it. It was a clapback to tommy saying he put work into his content unlike Dream which is low effort according to him, so Dream said that, providing the screenshots as proof, and telling him that at least he edit his videos by himself alone. The ones about pay were about jack from the start , it was cause of tommy comment about his "good friends" that had "good hearts" unlike dream's friends. so he put a big bold white text with "this is about Tommy's friends with good heart" ON TOP of a screen as proof of underpaying editors at the start of his online career, he even showed the file that he named "Jacklowpay.png" ( and still people shared it as Dream saying it's about tommy when it was never) and talked about the constant mentions, mocking and gross and pedo jokes they all kept making about him for nearly a year The child labor was true , Tubbo confirmed it was true in his stream with Dream, he confirmed that yes the company Tommy worked with did use Child labors time that he knows off and that he doesn't have proof of others instances but that it did happen. The company stuff was know for months because it was a company that scammed multiples ccs and coffeszilla made a video and full investigation about it. Dream also founded his own company with employees so he has even more infos about the child labor that tubbo confirmed. It's also from the same video that Dream pulled the 10 seconds clips that have tubbo invoices, and even there where Tubbo was dead convinced it was put here as "evidence against tommy" it was literally just a random clips from coffeszilla's video to have a financial background and provide context to what he was talking about and not remotedly what tubbo assumed it was ( he didn't even know that it was from that video and just started saying it was a lie and speculated how he got it when it had no importance and in the end just show how tubbo was biaised trying to find malicious intent in insignificant details to what was being said) I can Accord to you that Dream worded it in a way that caused confusions but there was no lies here. That was as a clapback to tommy saying " I'm not the one selling babies photos in merch (that was Dream's mom ideas and product, it was his family merch business and not even his for context) amd your mech designs are bad " he attacked Dream's merchs so Dream told that as a way to say don't throw stones in a glass house, that he can't badmouth his merchs with his own situation being like that. The friends that was called "whore" as a joke went live and was pissed as people using the interactions they have seen with her and Dream in public and in text to get ammos for rumours cause she said she knows it's a joke and that's it a common one between them and she is tired and pissed at people just relaying these two instances without even talking to her first. Ludwig admitted after the flames of the situation that the friend he is talking about is ALSO Dream friends too Tubbo was out for blood saying everything is false but he got nearly everything out of context with his own malicious interpretations and didn't realize too many things till he talked to Dream and still then he tried to shift the talking points ( like when he was mad at dream for "not saying anything during the caiti situation" and when Dream told him he did, specifically because he was there AND because Tubbo's riends dragged him publicly for it , TUBBO then tell him that it's still bad cause he shouldn't have responded then. Which is it. Like him going on and on about the same arguments because Dream's point made sense and was differents from what he thought it was so he kept circling and circling to "catch him", circling About the child labor that he himself admitted was true, circled about how Tommy don't need proof because it's "different" , circled about how he should have made it more clear it was about old editors using dans cause of leeway and the not paying Thumbnails artist and the others screen about pay concerning jack When it was said and implied and tubbo just didn't see that because he didn't want to, circled about how the pedo jokes and the badmouthing mentions and making funs of DTeam with sneaky snides was not that bad to react like that, circled about how the cantu situation was irrelevant when it was in his justification of him lashing out and making an impulsive decision because all their fanbases were feeding off of negs about him AND RELUCTANTLY accepting that his apology was good and valid, CORNERED HIM TO TALK ABOUT HIS SEXUALITY AND OUTING HIMSELF ON STREAM WHEN HE LIVES IN A FUCKING RED STATES, not acknowledging how his group and tommy spread he was a "trumpi" for cheap laugh and malicious slander cause everyone will believe that since it's against him and making it "not that bad", SAYING HOW HE DIDN'T HOLD IT ANYTHING OVER THEIR HEAD OR TOOK SUCCESS FOR ANYTHING AS THEY WERE SAYING BUT THAT IT WAS HOW THEY FELT SO THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY DREAM IS IN THE WRONG????? , Not acknowledging Tommy lying about "harassing his mother" as SLANDER cause her being a Twitter user with 100k followers arguing with 16yo stans wasn't a reason to dm her ONE MESSAGE telling her THAT HE DON'T WANT HER TO ATTACKED and giving her advice to just stop responding and giving his opinion on what she was arguing about since IT WAS ABOUT HIM, one text and he used it as reasons to lie and didn't think that Dream would show it, and he did show it and it was NOTHING at all as he was portraying it to deflect. He worded things badly since he had one day to make the video as short as possible yes but it's NOTHING compared to all the empty "he said she said" "behind the scenes" "Rumours" bullshit Tommy was using as reasons to not show any evidence, because he was making stuff up and knew that people would believe him regardless. it was fucking tiring and frustrating to watch everything but at least I got all the info on that fucking useless and stupid internet Drama You really need to stop assuming you have all the infos when just from what you say it's clear you only got one side of the informations most likely released by biased parties/gen , because I'm sorry but your arguments are too empty or outdated. Have a good day.
Hey man thanks for covering this without bias, you clearly pointed out when either of the two guys was in the wrong and didnt skew too heavily into one direction When I saw a lot of the drama go down I was suprised Dream was being treated as someone who was crashing out when Tommy's words were heavily hearsay He accused dream of being sexist, when it had been Tommy's persona to act sexist in many of his videos was baffling
I kind of hate people calling tommy "mature" against dream when not only dream debunked tommy's majority of his baseless takes, tommy also started a lot of beef prior to the dream vs tommy drama. Personally tommy needs a humble pie while dream has to be corrected with some of the false accusation he made abt tommy not paying his editors
I did that, posting effectively the same comment on both videos about being tired of all the drama, and (though only a few messages) Tommyinnit's fans were not happy with the comment, to say the least.
There are some questionable parts in his response, and we have to keep in mind that tommy's video was a one take, which is a double-edged decision and that showed in how emotional some of his claims were. But overall this entire thing is stupid and should have been dealt with in private, and I should also go back to studying for my exam tommorow.
Because im not only just watching whatever drama channels say, but actually going around and seeing what his friend group thinks about this whole thing, and maybe if you decided to actually watch tubbo explaining stuff, where he also brought evidence, especially since he did call dream, maybe you'd reach a neutral stance on this whole situation, and not follow whatever people say, I'm not totally against dream but I'm not totally against tommy either.
The problem is that people have superimposed DSMP character villain Dream to youtuber Dream, a human person, and they cant think of him as a person anymore Along with the black/white youre wrong or right mentality online If he does wrong then he will be wrong even if he proves his innocence
It's just sad how all this dream hate has become, even after dream proved that he is not a pedo everytime someone brings him up they are like "Yeah he is a pedo" people need to learn not to take sides from claims and need proof, like come on people that's literaly what they teached in school, claim and evidence etc
Dream randomly attacked Tommy's fanbase after XQC made a tweet at Tommy. I don't think Tommy is trying to. I think Dream is stiring a giant pot and needs to stop.
Actually it was not about tommy current editors, it was old ones in a editors discord ( that tommy editors confirmed was legit) And the edited screens (since you don't even know what was edited I assume you are going off on the little infos you got by the popular relaying) were not lies at all , people took it like that cause they were cut. But they were not lies since it was editors telling how tommy wasn't involved much with his editors at the start so they used fans sometimes to help and the screens were not about him but about his friends jack ( there was a big text saying "tommy s friends with good hearts) and in the same video he show the full screenshot with the name "Jacklowpay.png" so no there was no lies just people spreading it thinking it was a lies to have something to criticize, you know like finding problems where there is none. In Dream and tubbo discussion stream everything is said there it's on TH-cam I think you can watch it here :D
You would expect the 14-18 year olds of 2020 to have matured after five years. Heck, after five years, I would have expected the Minecraft community to have grown up as well. Specifically, the TH-cam side of the community has devolved into a mess, with pedophiles being exposed weekly (though it seems to be slowly decreasing), and petty feuds dragging on. Much of the blame falls on the stans of Dream SMP, who take things too far, but those involved in the drama-people who escalate tiny arguments and disagreements that rarely last more than a month-should also be held accountable for fueling the flames. The Minecraft community, for lack of better words, needs to stop bullshitting and jumping to conclusions in every situation. I'm tired of people rushing in, guns blazing, accusing and pointing fingers without providing any evidence. The Minecraft TH-cam community needs to shed the mindset of self-importance and start valuing reason and fact over misinformation and lies. If things continue, there won’t be a corner of this community that isn’t tainted by petty fights and feuds-not even Hermitcraft was immune to accusations. It’s time to stop the nonsense and take responsibility, Minecraft community.
This drama just completely exposed how corrupted the community really is and no one does anything right. Just because someone gets cancelled/ involved in drama doesn't mean you should share it especially when there's a lack of evidence. I've never seen any other community go so crazy over such drama,. Even the lunchly situation, mainly facilitated by dantdm, again a Minecraft youtuber. The minecraft community needs to stop engaging in drama as it's stupidly childish. If these influencers act such way, I don't believe that there is a singular good person in the entirety of the community. However, due to its size, I'm afraid that these people would soon go to other communities and singlehandedly destroy their reputation as well.
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SENSE THANK YOU FOR THIS Edit: additional infos for people in the comments that are misinformed and missing some facts (it's multiple copy-paste from comments answer) so they can form their own opinions with what they already know plus this I watched the videos. I saw all the clips of jack and tommy making snides at Dream and his friends and offensive ( p*do and others insinuating) joke from August 2024 to 2025 (maybe even before), all the tweets posted , Both of tommy and Dream. And the other 7h Stream, and the reddit response AND Tubbo and dream stream discussing with each other. Just to prove it, the screens were legit just not about tommy current editors just old ones that used the leeway tommy have them by not being involved in the process to get fans to help them edit things, his current editors confirmed the discord from the people who sent it to him is legit. The "didn't" cut is irrevelant to the context because the "I'm thinking" in those screenshots already show that he didn't do it and just thought about it. It was a clapback to tommy saying he put work into his content unlike Dream which is low effort according to him, so Dream said that, providing the screenshots as proof, and telling him that at least he edit his videos by himself alone. The ones about pay were about jack from the start , it was cause of tommy comment about his "good friends" that had "good hearts" unlike dream's friends. so he put a big bold white text with "this is about Tommy's friends with good heart" ON TOP of a screen as proof of underpaying editors at the start of his online career, he even showed the file that he named "Jacklowpay.png" ( and still people shared it as Dream saying it's about tommy when it was never) and talked about the constant mentions, mocking and gross and pedo jokes they all kept making about him for nearly a year The child labor was true , Tubbo confirmed it was true in his stream with Dream, he confirmed that yes the company Tommy worked with did use Child labors time that he knows off and that he doesn't have proof of others instances but that it did happen. The company stuff was know for months because it was a company that scammed multiples ccs and coffeszilla made a video and full investigation about it. Dream also founded his own company with employees so he has even more infos about the child labor that tubbo confirmed. It's also from the same video that Dream pulled the 10 seconds clips that have tubbo invoices, and even there where Tubbo was dead convinced it was put here as "evidence against tommy" it was literally just a random clips from coffeszilla's video to have a financial background and provide context to what he was talking about and not remotedly what tubbo assumed it was ( he didn't even know that it was from that video and just started saying it was a lie and speculated how he got it when it had no importance and in the end just show how tubbo was biaised trying to find malicious intent in insignificant details to what was being said) I can Accord to you that Dream worded it in a way that caused confusions but there was no lies here. That was as a clapback to tommy saying " I'm not the one selling babies photos in merch (that was Dream's mom ideas and product, it was his family merch business and not even his for context) amd your mech designs are bad " he attacked Dream's merchs so Dream told that as a way to say don't throw stones in a glass house, that he can't badmouth his merchs with his own situation being like that. Tommy mom NEVER showed screenshot of dreams dms it was not even to complain about him to his mother at all or even with her number, no it was one twitter DM that DREAM SHOWED and with nothing bad at all on it. Tommy worked with a company that used child labor and that scammed creator. That is a fact, check coffeszilla video and Tubbo stream with Dream. There was one instance CONFIRMED at another factory yes , others are not as confirmed but likely true , but this one instance already make everything that company is producing dirty. I'm not going to be defending child labor for hate The editors in questions were not current but old ones not the one here , the point was not that they were "underpayed and worked for free" the point was tommy is less involved in his videos editing and that allowed those ones to ask fans to help for very little or free, the screen about low pay is about JACK it was made clear and he confirmed that it was at the beggining of his CC career , the only one who took ownership of the success is TOMMY, Dream never did and showed multiple DMS and clips from tommy from 1 to 2 years to show it , he never streamed on the smp and never made videos about it just showing on multiple other people streams to boost them he always said that EVERYONE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SERVER SUCESS the only ones who felt like it was "hung" is Tommy's group so the problems is their own FEELINGS AMD ASSUMPTIONS that they are using as FACTS. Even Tubbo couldn't give any examples on stream and tommy didn't provide any except his words cause he couldn't since there's none. The only reason Tommy version is working is because everything against Dream is immediately considered the truth on the internet, no matter what it is as long as it's neg it's gonna spread and everything positive or defending him or just explaining his gonna tank and be demonized, and get buried by the negatives mwtionsyand rumours and words and will never ever see the light of day unless someone want to search for it. You all are allowed to dislike or hate anyone with whatever reasons you want AS LONG AS IT'S FOR TRUE REASONS and not lies or misinformations or illfounded rumours with sketchy base. Nearly all of dsmp fans and ex dream fans turned to be either Tommy fans or the fans of people in his circle and other ccs on that server fans and they kept the Same attitude just that now it's against Dream so people don't mind it as much now and don't recognize that , they are acting the same ways and think that they all changed for the better since they left the community that was labeled like that , when they didn't they just migrated with the same attitude and no more labels so they do everything and even worse because no one is gonna condemn that. Dream is cringe and made lot of mistakes and is not everyone cup of tea and can be annoying AND went into so many controversies its just tiring and kinda stupid at this point yes. But the way people are reacting online perpetuating the parasocial hate and spreading shit cause he is a cheap acceptable target, a lolcow and everything is frankly disturbing as hell
@sirsouping Tommy didn’t have to leak private DMs either but he still did? I wouldn’t stay quiet if I’m trying to resolve issues privately first but their trying to paint me as a bad guy
@sirsouping ofc but most of this drama happens because Tommy starts it but this time I can’t lie dream started it, but at the same time Tommy is taking the word out of proportion as well
very good video earned a sub. Really well covered this situation. I watched tommy and dream's videos, went on tiktok and saw people attacking dream with no evidence/baseless claims. Dsmp fans have a bit of a hive mind imo and will take any allegations/claims as evidence. Thanks for clearing up this situation.
Kinda weird how if it wasnt for Dream Tommy wouldnt even get popular it was cuz of the DreamSMP and now he just hates Dream kinda selfish if you ask me
I hated Tommy the moment he did a 180 turn on dream after the allegations and incase your wondering if you haven’t watched the Tubbo and dream talk it’s a bunch of bs not because of dream but because of Tubbo, that interview was so dumb because Tubbo consistently asked the same multiple questions. He questions everything dream said but when dream asked about Tommy or why he said he he stayed silent and refused to say anything like I knew that interview was bs Edit: like he said in 10:10 how is that when someone else says something and everyone was cool with it but when dream saids the samething it’s in all out war now like wtf is that bs? (Tubbo try to blame dream because of something his fans said which he refers it as bad actors. You can’t control what your fans do all the time which was even a dumb argument by Tubbo himself.)
Completely agree with you honestly. Dream apologizes for the ‘r slur’ but now tommys just trying to stir up fake beef for no reason. But then dream tried to response to tommys video, which he has good points in, people dont believe him. Also yeah, tubbo legit just kept on hammering down how he NEEDED evidence even though tubbo KNOWS its true. Its so dumb when everyone in tubbos chat is also saying how dreams bad for it when its so obvious theyre all bias. Esp if dream goes silent for a few seconds.
@@RihanaLin1225Gmailcom exactly I understand Tubbo is bsfs with Tommy but he knows damn well that Tommy is mainly wrong just doesn’t want to admit it. Even Tubbo himself said dream provided info when Tommy never did once
@@cosmicfeargarou3794 Yeah fr, in some of the tubbos streams you could tell he knows tommy messed up but isnt admitting it and trys to spin the narrative. Your comment honestly said it the best though
Tell me what points, why don't you' bring evidence? I'm very, very sure tubbo explained why he couldn't talk about it, or explained that yes, he does have a bias and he's trying to be neutral, and very much tried to explain to his best, so don't pull bs like this so everyone could just take your words. everyone else in this reply section are just biased at this point. dream has 'good points in' yes he does, but that's making it sound like almost all of his points are good. And stop putting shit into Tubbos mouth, yes, he agreed that tommy and his friends need to stop calling dream a pedo, but he also said they have the right to dislike dream. your doing the same exact shit dream did, saying the tubbos 'scared' so no one can actually see him as reliable and just 'tommys friend' and not his own person. Put your bias to the side.
@@SONAISTIC Tubbo try blaming dream about his fans with the George and cati situation which is dumb because it had nothing to do with dream but apparently because his fans are jumping in that means dream was part of it? That makes no sense, I’m not being bias here at all I’m just saying dream has provided evidence and facts even in the Tubbo stream game Tubbo asked about the Ludwig msg and even Tubbo said himself that in his 3hr long stream he provided receipts and facts. I don’t think cares enough if they dislike him he never had an issue with that the issue was constantly saying he was a pdf and groomer because to them it was funny? That’s literally defamation especially when he proved his innocence. I’m not saying tubbo isn’t a reliable source as well because yes he’s kinda bias but he did try to be neutral as well, that should have been something Tommy and dream needed to talk about but Tommy isn’t gonna do it ever.
tubbo confirmed that the merch company tommy work with used child labors ( and they also cleared off the fact that the invoices were just a random clip from coffeszilla video cause it had financial stuff for the background and not meant to be as proof as tubbo assumed and speculated) And the edited screens (since you don't even know what was edited I assume you are going off on the little infos you got by the popular relaying) were not lies at all , people took it like that cause they were cut. But they were not lies since it was editors telling how tommy wasn't involved much with his editors at the start so they used fans sometimes to help and the screens were not about him but about his friends jack ( there was a big text saying "tommy s friends with good hearts) and in the same video he show the full screenshot with the name "Jacklowpay.png" so no there was no lies just people spreading it thinking it was a lies to have something to criticize, you know like finding problems where there is none. In Dream and tubbo discussion stream everything is said there it's on TH-cam I think you can watch it here :D (Copy pasted cause you are asking the same thing another comment said) So it was not him lying but Dream being HORRIBLE AT EXPLAINING HIMSELF once again , that's something he should learn to do correctly soon because it's cahsinyhim problems
You'd wish it was that easy. But yk tommy is a fucking clout hungry piece of crap he will most definitely ghost dream if dream asked to settle this on private
Hi I was gonna say, ik u prob only do minecraft drama but recently theres also been roblox drama about a pretty good sized creator potemer, i think it'd be a good topic for you to cover! Idk if its been confirmed or conpletely covered yet tho i just heard of it
blissolic having the balls to say the mystical r word has earned a long awaited subscription from me, watched you for months, maybe even a year or two since the rf11. you've earned it big dawg
Our world has gotten so soft that you can't even say the R-word anymore 😂. People are such softies these days, holy shit. And this drama is ridiculous, Tommy is still an immature idiot. It's time to grow up.
Saying the world is soft because somebody didn't like his fans being called the R-word is just sad. Obviously any normal person wouldn't wanna be called the R-word unless you are one of those kids who genuinely be like "I'm so used to being bullied I don't mind it anymore" while curling up like a ball in your bedroom and crying while wondering why people are so disrespectful to you. What kind of comment is this?
@@sadman3163 it's a comment with common sense because anyone with some balls would be able to suck it up and not let it affect them. he's not wrong when he says people are soft, especially in america where everyone gets offended by everything no matter what. i don't condone rudeness on the internet but people have to learn how to take an insult.
I agree with some points made about Dream and Tommy. Tommy was kind to Dream before the drama, but he also made a video criticizing him. It seems both have accused each other without clear evidence. Dream's lengthy essay on the situation feels unproductive, as there's still no solid truth. It's best to stay neutral and not pick sides.
Most of the Minecraft "community" seems to really just find ways to spit on Dream and as a dumbass (me) thats active there, I dont wanna pick sides (cause I dont wanna even subconsciously be biased), but Dream just genuinely comes off as having a stronger case to support his claims ngl...
@@harrykrause2879 I’m not biased towards either, I think Tommy is a cringe kid but the things that Dream does in the grand scheme of things are more harmful and set worse precedent for creators. Insult my content all you want, but thousands of others watch and enjoy it every day. Stay a hater, stay mad!
@@skoopy the end is such a Logan Paul type comment, but thats besides the point. Your title is heavy Tommy sided and from the first 3 minutes in you got to nothing. The worst thing dream did was fake evidence in this situation, which is bad but basically the same thing Tommy did. If you look at it from a objective standpoint, dream makes BETTER points. He doesn't have to relie on Ludwig to back his point about something not even about the thing he was talking about.
@@skoopy I could go on for hours about how much of a hypocritical loser Tommy is like the switch in sides after the quality situation or him straight up lying about dream holding things against him with no proof and then thinking it's acceptable to go around spreading allegations about him being a pedo. But it would be a waste of time
the title disregards that they BOTH lie a ton, dream in his "im sorry" video cuts out a lot of Tubbo's and Tommy's context to what they say this isnt a "dreams right" or "tommys right" its that these are grown ass men acting like kindergarteners the title is missleading not because its wrong, but because it doesnt share the full story enough, it should be "kindergarten beef in the MCYT space again" bc neither is right, theyre both manipulating information
People weren't upset because of the R-word. People were upset at the R-word being directed at THEM. Tommy and Dream have a LARGE audience. Millions. It's stupid of Dream to think that a large majority of them wouldn't overlap. Dream fans are Tommyinnit fans. They literally were the faces of the dsmp fanbase. Dream saying the R-word at 'Tommy's' fanbase is so weird. My guy they are YOUR fans as well. How are you this dumb? Also directly attacking another creators fanbase is stupid as well. Shaming someone for watching a youtube channel is wrong. Just straight up wrong. He should have kept the Drama between the two of them. Not pull the fanbase in. No wonder why people are angry.
no, he reposted that meme because tommys fans are not dreams fans and tommy knows this. they were the same people who were cheering when nicholas cantu was spewing slurs at dream. they are idiotic hypocrites and it isnt dreams fault for pointing it out
@@cupbluee This doesn't really change my point. You think every single Tommy fan were people are Dream haters? Every SINGLE one of them. Dream was essentially looping together innocent and guilty people into one group. Tommy's ENTIRE fanbase. It's like the teacher punishing the entire class for something one person did. Yes those stans exist, but Dream shouldn't have acted so rashly and target people who had nothing related to it.
I completely agree with you. And I think this situation should stay private cuz people are putting pressure in both sides and its just immature in my opinion. Also we need more evidence of dream situation before arguing. I'm not on any side btw
i agree, but he couldn’t really keep it private since tommy blocked him on everything, and he couldn’t let it ruin his reputation since people have a habit of automatically siding with whoever is against dream anyway
aside from the issue with Tommy blocking Dream and addressing him in public instead (meaning evidence for claims is expected and he blatantly failed to provide that), i thought it was really weird that Tommy never made any sort of apology for calling dream a p3d0 when the allegations were unsubstantiated, and continuing after they had been disproven. yeah Dream yaps a lot and it takes him a while to understand why something he did was wrong, at least he does eventually take genuine accountability. people praised Nicolas Cantu for calling Dream slurs and justified his use of them because he reclaims them, despite the fact that he was blatantly using them in an insulting way. most people i've spoken to anyway don't know that reclaiming a slur doesn't mean you can use it as one, so you can probably guess why dream genuinely didn't think he was doing anything wrong. the problem i have with dream is why he posted that meme in the first place.... i mean, it just wasn't necessary, he wasn't involved and it was rude anyway, but i think his "crashout" is understandable given the hell he's been put through non-stop. tommy on the other hand should know better, it just doesn't make any sense to me why he thought throwing out baseless accusations and not showing any remorse for the jokes he made promoting false accusations, was a good idea
To you it isn't. For Dream it was THAT deep. Tommy was still a friend to Dream, and that SMPs situation was very mentally exhausting to him. He did his best to both reach out to Quackity AND tried to cease the tension between his fans and Quackity's. Also friendly reminder, that there was QSMP fans who threatened Dream and his family. Latino fans in Florida planned to dox, stalk and even track Dream. Some even threatened to rape his younger sister.
This was absolutely hilarious! Tommy’s chaotic energy and evil plans never fail to entertain. The dynamic between him and Dream is just gold. Loved every second of it!
listening to the drama ❌
watching bedwars ✅
Real this slop is no different than those tiktoks that have half the screen being subway surfers gameplay to keep the six year olds watching
@@OppWasTaken uh well, idk if this guy is a slop and having bedwars in the background isn't really there for views. I honestly just like watching the gameplay and listening to his points of view. but hey, i don't wanna fight about this, so these are just my thoughts.
@TheSecretYT-hg1bm i get that. I was just comparing the video style to tiktok shorts that have the subway surfers gameplay to keep people from scrolling off their video
yes sir we gotta lock in my guy
Tommy (17 years and 364 days old): says every controversial thing ever
Tommy (18): i was a kid when i said that😢
It's just whatever he thinks he can get away with
PFFT
a lot of people say how dream manipulates people and his audience, but no one talks about how tommy shamelessly exaggerates his claims and use words to frame dream to look worse. dream has never been so confident in any situation to claim that he was innocent, but tommy in his video treats himself as if he was this innocent victim who was being harassed by dream, taking the moral high ground and making dream look like he's lost his sanity or some shit. also want to mention how toxic tubbo's stream chat is. tubbo is a really nice person but his chat is unbearable. they're all worse than the people their trying to judge
So... Tommyinnit has a hero complex? Who tf could've guessed
You just wrote the TL;DR
Hey guys, I-i-i
Think I know somewhere else he has a hero complex...
"If you want to he a hero Tommy... Then DIE Like One!!!"
-Technoblade
@izsokok LOLOL
@izsokok the live action
I genuinely don’t understand why I took Tommy’s video seriously in the first place when it was just baseless allegations lol
Same. I need to fr be more critical towards claims until everything is laid out and the other part has responded
I think tubbo kinda disproves almost everything dream said in that video with actual evidence to back it up
"Addressing dream's video" by tubbolive
Maybe because of his whole mantra of showing how he’s so much more mature and less cringe and older, so everyone just believed him ig
its crazy how 95% took tommys side because hes seen as "more mature" nowadays (which hes not, he unnecessarily started this drama with baseless accusations)
@@Lumin_MC Not exactly, His criticism revolved mainly around Dream not addressing what Tubbo criticized him for in the stream and only pointing up Tommy's wrongdoings to highlight his mistake and downgrade his own. Tubbo also disproved Dream demaing Tommy regarding the child labour claims by providing the reasons of the laid out invoices. However, Except that all other thing that Dream says holds true regardless. Infact, I'd go on to say Tubbo is biased as he himself only focused on Dream's wrongdoings and never pointed out Tommy's wrongdoing while criticizing Dream for the same thing. I won't go far to say its hypocritical but rather "interesting".
Dream really addressed all the drama head-on and didn't hold back. It's refreshing to see such honesty in the midst of all this chaos.
hi chicken
you are back commenting, greetings
@@OmmitpieHindiGamingit’s a bot
Bro dream was 100x more dishonest than tommy
@Mycelium_man oh at that point you have no idea what is the meaning of dishonest dude, like how braindead u can be to say that
No matter how much dream debunks tommy's lies, commentary channels would still deem dream wrong.
These are my thoughts:
Tommy should not have done all the immature things he did, such as calling everyone out and instigating fights, Dream should not have said the R slur but he apologized so that's that (And the community really needs to stop being double sided) Dreams video he uploaded has some gaping flaws, but then again so does tommys. Even from a biased perspective I believe that both should have either not started this, or worked this out privately.
Conclusion: they both act like 5 year olds
What exactly is the flaws in Dream's response video?
@@wasdwawasdthe editors said they were paid well and dream got some other info wrong. The video overall is way better then Tommy's and dream is in the right entirely
@@harrykrause2879 your takeaway from that video was "dream is in the right entirely" ? 😭
@@scaryspoons Dude has several comments on this video meatriding dream, it’s 100% either bait or he really is just a delusional dream fan
@@scaryspoons yeah nothing dream did wasn't either something Tommy did or not that big of a deal. If you try and get angry at dream you should be more mad at Tommy
Tommyinnit saying "I blocked him everywhere" and then sharing his"message" with Dream in front of his entire audience is just such an immature thing to do.
if im being completely honest, it just seems like people actively look for ways to hate on dream
also everything in tommy's video after the part about the r word seems like it was added on last minute
No it wasn't. What are you on about
@ghostytoasty6024 tommys video right after the r word is just filler and baseless accusations to get more revenue, youd know if you watched dreams video
@ghostytoasty6024 yes it was
ikr!
Exactly
Dream made some valid points in his response, but this drama could have been dealt with privately. Let's hope for a resolution soon.
Tbf, Dream did try to resolve it Privately, and Tommy then blocked him and made this Public with his video, lol.
Chicken.... No way you are here too...
@@AceFaztrue
Yeah, PLUS DREAM WASN'T EVEN INVOLVED! HE JUST INVOLVED HIMSELF
Tommy blocked Dream, so wasn't possible
I’m just thinking of how this is going to bite Tommy and his friends in the ass in the near future. He’s pretending to be a perfect human being, criticizing Dream for being “sexist” when Tommy’s entire humor consisted of making jokes about women, he’s clinging onto already debunked allegations and throwing fuel into the fire because he knows that’s what is going to give him views and that Twitter validation.
I watched Tubbo’s stream where he and Dream “cleared” things up and it’s so obvious to me that Tommy’s entire friend group is throwing jabs at him because they simply don’t fw Dream rather than being worried about victims and about the serious issues being discussed. It sucks. Tubbo kept calling Dream sexist for the stupidest reasons and ended the stream making him talk about his sexuality?? How does no one bat an eye at that??
As far as calling dream sexist goes, I think Ludwig's anecdote sheds some light on that lmao
@Kelebora there's basically no info on what ludwig was talking about, even dream said he has no clue who ludwig was talking about because he refuses to share anything about the person or the situation to "respect their privacy" so i think it's difficult to just take ludwigs word for something he claims happened
@ Hes a 3rd party who would have no reason to lie though
Yeah this is just another Nick eh 30 incident but with people still following Arcch or in this case Tommy. People just won't change, they apparently never will..
Because, They're fucking senseless dude. I fucking lost my mind seeing some messages sent by people on stream, just freaking believing anything on the spot and commenting such cruel stuff about them without even considering that the information might be false as everything is revolved around allegations. ffs, the contrast in tommy's and dream's comment section in the videos published by them is what disgusted me. In tommy's video, everyone was belittling Dream and calling him slurs while hyping Tommy. But, In Dream's comment section, These people are legit commenting trolls, saying jokes and not even giving a crap about his side of the story. Their entire fanbase are dogmatic drama obsessed betrayers.
Correction:
The text that Dream sent to Tommy was not about the "If TH-camrs Were Honest..." video. It was about an instance in which Tommy joked about Dream being a PDFile in 2021 before the allegations. This had apparently happened many times before and Dream was frustrated.
its crazy how immature tommy's fan base is, including tommy.
real
Fr bro
i swear man. the thing is if tommy had actual evidence this whole thing would have been delt with in minutes, but all this kid can do is throw around random allegations and hope for the best lmfao
yea, the overwhelming amount of preexisting negative sentiment towards dream makes it extremely hard for him to convince people otherwise, so it's not surprising to see that so far most debunk/drama channels (that i've seen, at least) are siding with tommy (when I watched Tommy's video I actually thought it felt really weird!). especially when a lot of the bystanders don't know the full story (thanks for explaining that btw i had no idea lol). i've never been a big fan of dream's content but i find all the misdirected hate to be undeserved, frankly. tldr: cancel culture sucks lmao
it's really hard to be sympathetic to tommy's group when dream has been near silent and complimentary while they've brought him up and insulted him for the past 1.5 years 💀 i fear the crash out was a long time coming
Mhm, I agree
As much as i dislike dream, i decide based on evidence and tommy has been acting like a immature child pulling the age card constantly.
"You harassed my mum"
*"Bro, it was a positive message from a year and a half ago and i apologized for it."*
@@WolfHardcorps Dude Tommy is such a immature child, Anything real friends would just ignore he takes to heart and tries to "cancel" someone, he is so pathetic atp
Maybe I'm just not informed, but how can you "dislike" Dream? Isn't he just a Minecraft youtuber? He doesn't really show any of his perspectives and views. More like "neutral" to Dream, because I don't think there is really anything to really "dislike" him. But maybe he does some things on twitter or any other social media. Not hating tho, I have just seen so many people saying this like they just "want" or need to have a problem with him, because its considered bad to like him apparently. But hey, I don't watch drama from Dream like ever so take this with a grain of salt.
Dream presented way more axioms and valid statements, but in my opinion Tommy was full of bs.
Tommyinnit essentially calling Dream a child for not growing up while simultaneously saying he didn't like Mizkif, the "grown up" thing to do would be to not answer the question.
He was honest, i dont see a issue with that
@GhostyToasty-d1ragreed. Tommy didn't do anything wrong there
Then why do adults raise kids these days with the “honesty is the best policy” and then say people haven’t grown up when they’re answering questions honestly?
@@GamerDude-mb7xxnot answering wouldn't be dishonesty, I'm sure it's within someone's right to choose not to answer a question, especially if answering would cause problems (which it did)
I agree theyre both being childish, but what is the implication here? Its childish to express your opinions?
Dream's response video really shed light on the situation and brought up some valid points. It's important to consider all perspectives before forming an opinion.
Chatgpt response
@ronaldohicks-u4z yeah this is a bot that uses ai
i was on dream's side from the start, but he should have avoided this drama tbh
It's because Tommy has constantly starting beefs and dream has already been painted as a bad guy and he repeatedly got hate from the audience. That's why he responded ig
@beast_playz2969 it could have entirely been avoided if he didn't say R slur
@@Tanmay0607 i’ll admit saying that wasn’t okay but i think people are taking it too far. it’s a word, and it’s only as bad as you take it. it’s the same as saying “dumb” or “stupid” imo, and it shouldn’t have been blown out of proportion. also since the internet is pretty much dream’s entire career, when it’s _the internet_ painting him as a monster he needs to clear it up so he doesn’t lose his career from people believing it blindly.
dream really has no choice, its a lose lose for him. if he avoids the drama people shit on him even more and if he interacts with the drama people shit on him just because they feel like it
@@Tanmay0607you can’t avoid something when your trying to resolve these issues privately but then you got the idiot Tommy leaking private DMs trying to make him look like the bad guy, he makes baseless accusations and dream had no choice but to respond back
I saw this coming ngl. That's how Tommyinnit did since he started bro was chasing people like a dog. He was chasing Dream and Technoblade like crazy. Now when he doesn't "Need" Dream anymore he just throws him under the buss. Like I remember back in the days the 2017 era when Tommyinnit was a normal kid doing skywars mega parties streams (I was on his streams) but now he is just becoming arrogant and thinks he owns the world and belittling Dreams minecraft content when his career started with minecraft. He thinks he is something by doing new stuff like opening a podcast and trying to be comedian. Bro randomly went to do 3v1 and expects it to go well.
How I can see this situation is that Dream is in the right, and it's been blown out of proportion by Tommy so much!
As for the George and Caiti situation? People sided with George because he showed evidence, he was honest and consistent and calm, whilst Caiti was not consistent, in fact when she says she meant to say she was fresh out of high school and not freshly 18- it's like, did you really? because you said your wrote it all down in that first stream! If this story was truely what she made it out to be, then she would've made sure that her facts were correct. To me, who isn't fan of anyone in the dream circle of the internet and Caiti, it seemed like a drunken misunderstanding between two adults. I do not care how freshly 18 you are, if you're a content creator- you cannot be so naive. The internet itself is so cruel, if she truly felt uncomfortable by George she would've been more cautious, drunk or not. Also- the power imbalance implied to be there by Caiti? WAS HER FAULT! She put George on a pedastol! Since he was consistent and I believe his story, I don't think he's the kind of person to use their power as a content creator over someone.
Anyways back to the current drama, Dream has shown screenshots, full evidence of what he has said and done in dms and text. I also think, as an AuAdhder myself, that allowing someone to attack Dream countless times with slurs, then turning around and acting like he's a monster for reposting a meme, is extremely hypocritical. I also think words can have several meanings, because that is factual! Retard is a slur against people like myself, but it also is used to mean someone who is stupid or foolish, perhaps immature. The slur meaning to attack disablities- is calling us slow, mentally challenged, etc, whilst the slang meaning to attack someone, anyone, is on the basis of you calling them an idiot, not on the basis of them being disabled. From how I see it- That meme was calling Tommyinnit Fans idiots, not calling them mentally challenged and that some people, like Tommy, do not see that and react in quite a over the top way.
Also, if Dream asked Tommy to chill on joking in a mean way, calling him a predator and portraying him in a poor light, and he didn't, I do not see an issue with Dream going to Tommy's mother, who has a presence on social media and basically going "hey maybe you and Tommy should chill, for all our sakes?" Tommy is a young man, he is still immature and I doubt the internet fame has helped. Dream does bad things too, but that doesn't mean he can't be in the right for situations or be a victim in a situation.
is this dream?
@ No -.- I’m a neutral person assessing the situation, is that hard to believe? I have literally never watched a single one of dream’s videos, nor Tommy’s or any of that lot’s
@@britishbirdie9113 dreams allegations in his video were proved false by tubbo in his video reacting to dream's video
@@britishbirdie9113looks like dream trying to falsely accuse tommy
@@shubhampurohit5391 no, its a human thinking logically
can you believe it?
They were enemies in the game and now they’re enemies in real life this is iconic.
I asked my friend on Tommy's side why he was on Tommy's side even though he didn't provide any proof at all and he replied with "he looked genuine" completely ignoring the fact he could be Manipulating them... He literally didn't provide any proof.
And nearly all of them has that reason
They are focused on believing Tommy lies and demantling any arguments made by Dream so they don't even stop to consider that there's no proof to tommy claims
neither did dream as all of dreams evidence has been proven to be fabricated or taken wildly out of context and used in a light that helps dream
@KitsuneCB5F I watched the videos. Both of tommy and Dream. And the other 7h Stream, and the reddit response AND Tubbo and dream stream discussing with each other. And sorry but what you are saying here is false
Just to prove it, the screens were legit just not about tommy current editors just old ones that used the leeway tommy have them by not being involved in the process to get fans to help them edit things, his current editors confirmed the discord from the people who sent it to him is legit. The "didn't" cut is irrevelant to the context because the "I'm thinking" in those screenshots already show that he didn't do it and just thought about it. It was a clapback to tommy saying he put work into his content unlike Dream which is low effort according to him, so Dream said that, providing the screenshots as proof, and telling him that at least he edit his videos by himself alone.
The ones about pay were about jack from the start , it was cause of tommy comment about his "good friends" that had "good hearts" unlike dream's friends. so he put a big bold white text with "this is about Tommy's friends with good heart" ON TOP of a screen as proof of underpaying editors at the start of his online career, he even showed the file that he named "Jacklowpay.png" ( and still people shared it as Dream saying it's about tommy when it was never) and talked about the constant mentions, mocking and gross and pedo jokes they all kept making about him for nearly a year
The child labor was true , Tubbo confirmed it was true in his stream with Dream, he confirmed that yes the company Tommy worked with did use Child labors time that he knows off and that he doesn't have proof of others instances but that it did happen. The company stuff was know for months because it was a company that scammed multiples ccs and coffeszilla made a video and full investigation about it. Dream also founded his own company with employees so he has even more infos about the child labor that tubbo confirmed. It's also from the same video that Dream pulled the 10 seconds clips that have tubbo invoices, and even there where Tubbo was dead convinced it was put here as "evidence against tommy" it was literally just a random clips from coffeszilla's video to have a financial background and provide context to what he was talking about and not remotedly what tubbo assumed it was ( he didn't even know that it was from that video and just started saying it was a lie and speculated how he got it when it had no importance and in the end just show how tubbo was biaised trying to find malicious intent in insignificant details to what was being said) I can Accord to you that Dream worded it in a way that caused confusions but there was no lies here.
That was as a clapback to tommy saying " I'm not the one selling babies photos in merch (that was Dream's mom ideas and product, it was his family merch business and not even his for context) amd your mech designs are bad " he attacked Dream's merchs so Dream told that as a way to say don't throw stones in a glass house, that he can't badmouth his merchs with his own situation being like that.
The friends that was called "whore" as a joke went live and was pissed as people using the interactions they have seen with her and Dream in public and in text to get ammos for rumours cause she said she knows it's a joke and that's it a common one between them and she is tired and pissed at people just relaying these two instances without even talking to her first. Ludwig admitted after the flames of the situation that the friend he is talking about is ALSO Dream friends too
Tubbo was out for blood saying everything is false but he got nearly everything out of context with his own malicious interpretations and didn't realize too many things till he talked to Dream and still then he tried to shift the talking points ( like when he was mad at dream for "not saying anything during the caiti situation" and when Dream told him he did, specifically because he was there AND because Tubbo's riends dragged him publicly for it , TUBBO then tell him that it's still bad cause he shouldn't have responded then. Which is it. Like him going on and on about the same arguments because Dream's point made sense and was differents from what he thought it was so he kept circling and circling to "catch him", circling About the child labor that he himself admitted was true, circled about how Tommy don't need proof because it's "different" , circled about how he should have made it more clear it was about old editors using dans cause of leeway and the not paying Thumbnails artist and the others screen about pay concerning jack When it was said and implied and tubbo just didn't see that because he didn't want to, circled about how the pedo jokes and the badmouthing mentions and making funs of DTeam with sneaky snides was not that bad to react like that, circled about how the cantu situation was irrelevant when it was in his justification of him lashing out and making an impulsive decision because all their fanbases were feeding off of negs about him AND RELUCTANTLY accepting that his apology was good and valid, CORNERED HIM TO TALK ABOUT HIS SEXUALITY AND OUTING HIMSELF ON STREAM WHEN HE LIVES IN A FUCKING RED STATES, not acknowledging how his group and tommy spread he was a "trumpi" for cheap laugh and malicious slander cause everyone will believe that since it's against him and making it "not that bad", SAYING HOW HE DIDN'T HOLD IT ANYTHING OVER THEIR HEAD OR TOOK SUCCESS FOR ANYTHING AS THEY WERE SAYING BUT THAT IT WAS HOW THEY FELT SO THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY DREAM IS IN THE WRONG????? , Not acknowledging Tommy lying about "harassing his mother" as SLANDER cause her being a Twitter user with 100k followers arguing with 16yo stans wasn't a reason to dm her ONE MESSAGE telling her THAT HE DON'T WANT HER TO ATTACKED and giving her advice to just stop responding and giving his opinion on what she was arguing about since IT WAS ABOUT HIM, one text and he used it as reasons to lie and didn't think that Dream would show it, and he did show it and it was NOTHING at all as he was portraying it to deflect.
He worded things badly since he had one day to make the video as short as possible yes but it's NOTHING compared to all the empty "he said she said" "behind the scenes" "Rumours" bullshit Tommy was using as reasons to not show any evidence, because he was making stuff up and knew that people would believe him regardless. it was fucking tiring and frustrating to watch everything but at least I got all the info on that fucking useless and stupid internet Drama
You really need to stop assuming you have all the infos when just from what you say it's clear you only got one side of the informations most likely released by biased parties/gen , because I'm sorry but your arguments are too empty or outdated. Have a good day.
@@shishineraoiba OMG WTF IS THIS FUCKING ESSAY
Hey man thanks for covering this without bias, you clearly pointed out when either of the two guys was in the wrong and didnt skew too heavily into one direction
When I saw a lot of the drama go down I was suprised Dream was being treated as someone who was crashing out when Tommy's words were heavily hearsay
He accused dream of being sexist, when it had been Tommy's persona to act sexist in many of his videos was baffling
Tommy likes to act like he's a saint when he's almost as bad as the green piece of sh
I kind of hate people calling tommy "mature" against dream when not only dream debunked tommy's majority of his baseless takes, tommy also started a lot of beef prior to the dream vs tommy drama.
Personally tommy needs a humble pie while dream has to be corrected with some of the false accusation he made abt tommy not paying his editors
for people out there, you don't have to choose a side, you can just be neutral and pick no side to support
Can I hate them both? ;)
@@thunderstrike995 WWW
@@thunderstrike995Best option ngl
@@thunderstrike995 yeah sure
I did that, posting effectively the same comment on both videos about being tired of all the drama, and (though only a few messages) Tommyinnit's fans were not happy with the comment, to say the least.
I find it actually insane that people are against Dream on this
Same
it was the same with the grooming allegations. they love attacking him and siding with anyone against him because they think he’s cringe.
There are some questionable parts in his response, and we have to keep in mind that tommy's video was a one take, which is a double-edged decision and that showed in how emotional some of his claims were.
But overall this entire thing is stupid and should have been dealt with in private, and I should also go back to studying for my exam tommorow.
Because im not only just watching whatever drama channels say, but actually going around and seeing what his friend group thinks about this whole thing, and maybe if you decided to actually watch tubbo explaining stuff, where he also brought evidence, especially since he did call dream, maybe you'd reach a neutral stance on this whole situation, and not follow whatever people say, I'm not totally against dream but I'm not totally against tommy either.
The problem is that people have superimposed DSMP character villain Dream to youtuber Dream, a human person, and they cant think of him as a person anymore
Along with the black/white youre wrong or right mentality online
If he does wrong then he will be wrong even if he proves his innocence
This entire drama is just such a timewaste ngl
19:33 not picking a side is like the best thing to do. It shouldn’t even be our problem to begin with. No one knows the full story except them
why am i watching this i dont even care
I feel like Molly breaking up with Tommy was a very much good move
LMAO THEY BROKE UP? Good for her 👏👏
They broke up on mutual terms
@ghostytoasty6024js what tommy says
@@Paborate that's what molly said too
Why are we bringing his break up into this-
This is HUGE for the unemployed
REAL
For real
We left tommy in 2022 😭✌️
Them both*
both of em tbh
It's just sad how all this dream hate has become, even after dream proved that he is not a pedo everytime someone brings him up they are like "Yeah he is a pedo" people need to learn not to take sides from claims and need proof, like come on people that's literaly what they teached in school, claim and evidence etc
There is no good guy in this drama, both did controversial things, the difference is that Dream apologised.
At least no pedos in 2025
theres def gonna be some exposed this year 😭
yet
YOU JINXED IT
No,you allegedly have potemor or whatever that Roblox TH-camr is
@@ẞūmïhíkœ Ahem, *All of Phantom Forces' staff including the owner.*
Tommy fell off and hes trying to drag other people down with him, while dream barely SURVIVED and is trying to rebuild.
Yeah and you renamedr fink with dream and gumball i was in dream side because he hated gard time but I knew it was wrong side
barely survived?, dream fell off lol
@GhostyToastHe rlly didn't y-d1r
@GhostyToasty-d1r he didn't because he still getting mill of views
Dream randomly attacked Tommy's fanbase after XQC made a tweet at Tommy. I don't think Tommy is trying to. I think Dream is stiring a giant pot and needs to stop.
Im Glad You Are On Dreams Side! 😄
Tommy's editors did actually respond with evidence that they were in fact Not underpaid. Great video though, I like seeing both perspectives.
Some did others have privately messaged dream that it was in fact true
Actually it was not about tommy current editors, it was old ones in a editors discord ( that tommy editors confirmed was legit) And the edited screens (since you don't even know what was edited I assume you are going off on the little infos you got by the popular relaying) were not lies at all , people took it like that cause they were cut. But they were not lies since it was editors telling how tommy wasn't involved much with his editors at the start so they used fans sometimes to help and the screens were not about him but about his friends jack ( there was a big text saying "tommy s friends with good hearts) and in the same video he show the full screenshot with the name "Jacklowpay.png" so no there was no lies just people spreading it thinking it was a lies to have something to criticize, you know like finding problems where there is none. In Dream and tubbo discussion stream everything is said there it's on TH-cam I think you can watch it here :D
@@cosmicfeargarou3794 yep exactly
And the world kept spinning.
you know what else is massive?
@@izzyizzy1275 LOWWWWWW TAPER FADEEEEEE
tommy is just a clout chaser nowdays just waiting for the next drama to happen
You would expect the 14-18 year olds of 2020 to have matured after five years. Heck, after five years, I would have expected the Minecraft community to have grown up as well. Specifically, the TH-cam side of the community has devolved into a mess, with pedophiles being exposed weekly (though it seems to be slowly decreasing), and petty feuds dragging on. Much of the blame falls on the stans of Dream SMP, who take things too far, but those involved in the drama-people who escalate tiny arguments and disagreements that rarely last more than a month-should also be held accountable for fueling the flames. The Minecraft community, for lack of better words, needs to stop bullshitting and jumping to conclusions in every situation. I'm tired of people rushing in, guns blazing, accusing and pointing fingers without providing any evidence. The Minecraft TH-cam community needs to shed the mindset of self-importance and start valuing reason and fact over misinformation and lies. If things continue, there won’t be a corner of this community that isn’t tainted by petty fights and feuds-not even Hermitcraft was immune to accusations. It’s time to stop the nonsense and take responsibility, Minecraft community.
This drama just completely exposed how corrupted the community really is and no one does anything right. Just because someone gets cancelled/ involved in drama doesn't mean you should share it especially when there's a lack of evidence. I've never seen any other community go so crazy over such drama,. Even the lunchly situation, mainly facilitated by dantdm, again a Minecraft youtuber. The minecraft community needs to stop engaging in drama as it's stupidly childish. If these influencers act such way, I don't believe that there is a singular good person in the entirety of the community. However, due to its size, I'm afraid that these people would soon go to other communities and singlehandedly destroy their reputation as well.
Keep allegations serious or in court 😱
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH SENSE
THANK YOU FOR THIS
Edit: additional infos for people in the comments that are misinformed and missing some facts (it's multiple copy-paste from comments answer) so they can form their own opinions with what they already know plus this
I watched the videos. I saw all the clips of jack and tommy making snides at Dream and his friends and offensive ( p*do and others insinuating) joke from August 2024 to 2025 (maybe even before), all the tweets posted , Both of tommy and Dream. And the other 7h Stream, and the reddit response AND Tubbo and dream stream discussing with each other.
Just to prove it, the screens were legit just not about tommy current editors just old ones that used the leeway tommy have them by not being involved in the process to get fans to help them edit things, his current editors confirmed the discord from the people who sent it to him is legit. The "didn't" cut is irrevelant to the context because the "I'm thinking" in those screenshots already show that he didn't do it and just thought about it. It was a clapback to tommy saying he put work into his content unlike Dream which is low effort according to him, so Dream said that, providing the screenshots as proof, and telling him that at least he edit his videos by himself alone.
The ones about pay were about jack from the start , it was cause of tommy comment about his "good friends" that had "good hearts" unlike dream's friends. so he put a big bold white text with "this is about Tommy's friends with good heart" ON TOP of a screen as proof of underpaying editors at the start of his online career, he even showed the file that he named "Jacklowpay.png" ( and still people shared it as Dream saying it's about tommy when it was never) and talked about the constant mentions, mocking and gross and pedo jokes they all kept making about him for nearly a year
The child labor was true , Tubbo confirmed it was true in his stream with Dream, he confirmed that yes the company Tommy worked with did use Child labors time that he knows off and that he doesn't have proof of others instances but that it did happen. The company stuff was know for months because it was a company that scammed multiples ccs and coffeszilla made a video and full investigation about it. Dream also founded his own company with employees so he has even more infos about the child labor that tubbo confirmed. It's also from the same video that Dream pulled the 10 seconds clips that have tubbo invoices, and even there where Tubbo was dead convinced it was put here as "evidence against tommy" it was literally just a random clips from coffeszilla's video to have a financial background and provide context to what he was talking about and not remotedly what tubbo assumed it was ( he didn't even know that it was from that video and just started saying it was a lie and speculated how he got it when it had no importance and in the end just show how tubbo was biaised trying to find malicious intent in insignificant details to what was being said) I can Accord to you that Dream worded it in a way that caused confusions but there was no lies here.
That was as a clapback to tommy saying " I'm not the one selling babies photos in merch (that was Dream's mom ideas and product, it was his family merch business and not even his for context) amd your mech designs are bad " he attacked Dream's merchs so Dream told that as a way to say don't throw stones in a glass house, that he can't badmouth his merchs with his own situation being like that.
Tommy mom NEVER showed screenshot of dreams dms it was not even to complain about him to his mother at all or even with her number, no it was one twitter DM that DREAM SHOWED and with nothing bad at all on it.
Tommy worked with a company that used child labor and that scammed creator. That is a fact, check coffeszilla video and Tubbo stream with Dream. There was one instance CONFIRMED at another factory yes , others are not as confirmed but likely true , but this one instance already make everything that company is producing dirty. I'm not going to be defending child labor for hate
The editors in questions were not current but old ones not the one here , the point was not that they were "underpayed and worked for free" the point was tommy is less involved in his videos editing and that allowed those ones to ask fans to help for very little or free, the screen about low pay is about JACK it was made clear and he confirmed that it was at the beggining of his CC career , the only one who took ownership of the success is TOMMY, Dream never did and showed multiple DMS and clips from tommy from 1 to 2 years to show it , he never streamed on the smp and never made videos about it just showing on multiple other people streams to boost them he always said that EVERYONE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SERVER SUCESS the only ones who felt like it was "hung" is Tommy's group so the problems is their own FEELINGS AMD ASSUMPTIONS that they are using as FACTS. Even Tubbo couldn't give any examples on stream and tommy didn't provide any except his words cause he couldn't since there's none.
The only reason Tommy version is working is because everything against Dream is immediately considered the truth on the internet, no matter what it is as long as it's neg it's gonna spread and everything positive or defending him or just explaining his gonna tank and be demonized, and get buried by the negatives mwtionsyand rumours and words and will never ever see the light of day unless someone want to search for it.
You all are allowed to dislike or hate anyone with whatever reasons you want AS LONG AS IT'S FOR TRUE REASONS and not lies or misinformations or illfounded rumours with sketchy base.
Nearly all of dsmp fans and ex dream fans turned to be either Tommy fans or the fans of people in his circle and other ccs on that server fans and they kept the Same attitude just that now it's against Dream so people don't mind it as much now and don't recognize that , they are acting the same ways and think that they all changed for the better since they left the community that was labeled like that , when they didn't they just migrated with the same attitude and no more labels so they do everything and even worse because no one is gonna condemn that.
Dream is cringe and made lot of mistakes and is not everyone cup of tea and can be annoying AND went into so many controversies its just tiring and kinda stupid at this point yes. But the way people are reacting online perpetuating the parasocial hate and spreading shit cause he is a cheap acceptable target, a lolcow and everything is frankly disturbing as hell
commentary yts bank everytime there's an drama ↗️
minecraft youtubers cant be civil and talk privately, they gotta pay them bills🔥🔥🔥
Just Tommy 😂 he’s starting sh*t with everyone
@@cosmicfeargarou3794 im not on tommy's side here but using that logic dream didnt have to respond?
@sirsouping Tommy didn’t have to leak private DMs either but he still did? I wouldn’t stay quiet if I’m trying to resolve issues privately first but their trying to paint me as a bad guy
@cosmicfeargarou3794 good point just saying I feel like there has been more TH-cam drama in the past 4 weeks than from 2010 to 2020
@sirsouping ofc but most of this drama happens because Tommy starts it but this time I can’t lie dream started it, but at the same time Tommy is taking the word out of proportion as well
Finally someone have good respectable take
Real ones know the title was changed
what you said at the end here is completely true, thanks for commenting on the situation bliss
2:44 They both a insufferable I mean all of them are even dream
You know what they say when a human is given wealth greed is present and will do anything for more
very good video earned a sub. Really well covered this situation. I watched tommy and dream's videos, went on tiktok and saw people attacking dream with no evidence/baseless claims. Dsmp fans have a bit of a hive mind imo and will take any allegations/claims as evidence. Thanks for clearing up this situation.
I can't believe Dream was the bay harbour butcher
One comment which is actually decent
Not the Dexter brainrot...
Still funny tho
Kinda weird how if it wasnt for Dream Tommy wouldnt even get popular it was cuz of the DreamSMP and now he just hates Dream kinda selfish if you ask me
I hated Tommy the moment he did a 180 turn on dream after the allegations and incase your wondering if you haven’t watched the Tubbo and dream talk it’s a bunch of bs not because of dream but because of Tubbo, that interview was so dumb because Tubbo consistently asked the same multiple questions. He questions everything dream said but when dream asked about Tommy or why he said he he stayed silent and refused to say anything like I knew that interview was bs
Edit: like he said in 10:10 how is that when someone else says something and everyone was cool with it but when dream saids the samething it’s in all out war now like wtf is that bs? (Tubbo try to blame dream because of something his fans said which he refers it as bad actors. You can’t control what your fans do all the time which was even a dumb argument by Tubbo himself.)
Completely agree with you honestly. Dream apologizes for the ‘r slur’ but now tommys just trying to stir up fake beef for no reason.
But then dream tried to response to tommys video, which he has good points in, people dont believe him. Also yeah, tubbo legit just kept on hammering down how he NEEDED evidence even though tubbo KNOWS its true. Its so dumb when everyone in tubbos chat is also saying how dreams bad for it when its so obvious theyre all bias. Esp if dream goes silent for a few seconds.
@@RihanaLin1225Gmailcom exactly I understand Tubbo is bsfs with Tommy but he knows damn well that Tommy is mainly wrong just doesn’t want to admit it. Even Tubbo himself said dream provided info when Tommy never did once
@@cosmicfeargarou3794 Yeah fr, in some of the tubbos streams you could tell he knows tommy messed up but isnt admitting it and trys to spin the narrative.
Your comment honestly said it the best though
Tell me what points, why don't you' bring evidence? I'm very, very sure tubbo explained why he couldn't talk about it, or explained that yes, he does have a bias and he's trying to be neutral, and very much tried to explain to his best, so don't pull bs like this so everyone could just take your words. everyone else in this reply section are just biased at this point. dream has 'good points in' yes he does, but that's making it sound like almost all of his points are good. And stop putting shit into Tubbos mouth, yes, he agreed that tommy and his friends need to stop calling dream a pedo, but he also said they have the right to dislike dream. your doing the same exact shit dream did, saying the tubbos 'scared' so no one can actually see him as reliable and just 'tommys friend' and not his own person. Put your bias to the side.
@@SONAISTIC Tubbo try blaming dream about his fans with the George and cati situation which is dumb because it had nothing to do with dream but apparently because his fans are jumping in that means dream was part of it? That makes no sense, I’m not being bias here at all I’m just saying dream has provided evidence and facts even in the Tubbo stream game Tubbo asked about the Ludwig msg and even Tubbo said himself that in his 3hr long stream he provided receipts and facts. I don’t think cares enough if they dislike him he never had an issue with that the issue was constantly saying he was a pdf and groomer because to them it was funny? That’s literally defamation especially when he proved his innocence. I’m not saying tubbo isn’t a reliable source as well because yes he’s kinda bias but he did try to be neutral as well, that should have been something Tommy and dream needed to talk about but Tommy isn’t gonna do it ever.
Great video covering the drama!
you know people have proven that some of dream's arguements are false
Who?
tubbo confirmed that the merch company tommy work with used child labors ( and they also cleared off the fact that the invoices were just a random clip from coffeszilla video cause it had financial stuff for the background and not meant to be as proof as tubbo assumed and speculated)
And the edited screens (since you don't even know what was edited I assume you are going off on the little infos you got by the popular relaying) were not lies at all , people took it like that cause they were cut. But they were not lies since it was editors telling how tommy wasn't involved much with his editors at the start so they used fans sometimes to help and the screens were not about him but about his friends jack ( there was a big text saying "tommy s friends with good hearts) and in the same video he show the full screenshot with the name "Jacklowpay.png" so no there was no lies just people spreading it thinking it was a lies to have something to criticize, you know like finding problems where there is none. In Dream and tubbo discussion stream everything is said there it's on TH-cam I think you can watch it here :D
(Copy pasted cause you are asking the same thing another comment said)
So it was not him lying but Dream being HORRIBLE AT EXPLAINING HIMSELF once again , that's something he should learn to do correctly soon because it's cahsinyhim problems
Big day for the unemployed
2 things to note
1. Awesome video blissolic is underated asf
2. IMO none of this should have ever been public ik its just for clout but still..
Crazy how this could've all been avoided by them both not using twitter 😭
bro what?! i can't believe tommy innit would do that!
wow, there are clowns on the internet and we made them famous huh
bro. if your trying to inform DONT DO THIS. he did not have a tantrum
are we letting anyone in this drama AFTER IS DONE?
ragebait.
Both sides here did wrong things, how about the 2 of them just get in a call and settle this like man instead of doing this shi
You'd wish it was that easy. But yk tommy is a fucking clout hungry piece of crap he will most definitely ghost dream if dream asked to settle this on private
are you actually defending dream right now
Well well well, more false dream accusations 🙄
Hi
I was gonna say, ik u prob only do minecraft drama but recently theres also been roblox drama about a pretty good sized creator potemer, i think it'd be a good topic for you to cover!
Idk if its been confirmed or conpletely covered yet tho i just heard of it
blissolic having the balls to say the mystical r word has earned a long awaited subscription from me, watched you for months, maybe even a year or two since the rf11. you've earned it big dawg
Our world has gotten so soft that you can't even say the R-word anymore 😂. People are such softies these days, holy shit. And this drama is ridiculous, Tommy is still an immature idiot. It's time to grow up.
yup, fully agree with you people be crying over shit too much.
Saying the world is soft because somebody didn't like his fans being called the R-word is just sad. Obviously any normal person wouldn't wanna be called the R-word unless you are one of those kids who genuinely be like "I'm so used to being bullied I don't mind it anymore" while curling up like a ball in your bedroom and crying while wondering why people are so disrespectful to you. What kind of comment is this?
@@sadman3163 it's a comment with common sense because anyone with some balls would be able to suck it up and not let it affect them. he's not wrong when he says people are soft, especially in america where everyone gets offended by everything no matter what. i don't condone rudeness on the internet but people have to learn how to take an insult.
@@sadman3163 a comment clearly not meant for your sorry ass💀
@ 💀
this is HUGE for the unemployed
I was commenting the same thing on tommy's video they shouldve handled it privately like men
I agree with some points made about Dream and Tommy. Tommy was kind to Dream before the drama, but he also made a video criticizing him. It seems both have accused each other without clear evidence. Dream's lengthy essay on the situation feels unproductive, as there's still no solid truth. It's best to stay neutral and not pick sides.
bro that gameplay is so impressive
Most of the Minecraft "community" seems to really just find ways to spit on Dream and as a dumbass (me) thats active there, I dont wanna pick sides (cause I dont wanna even subconsciously be biased), but Dream just genuinely comes off as having a stronger case to support his claims ngl...
Most of the things Dream has said are lies. Many other creators came out in support of Tommy
@@skoopyI tried to watch your video and low key got bored instantly. From the way you framed you video your biased towards Tommy anyway so idrc
@@harrykrause2879 I’m not biased towards either, I think Tommy is a cringe kid but the things that Dream does in the grand scheme of things are more harmful and set worse precedent for creators. Insult my content all you want, but thousands of others watch and enjoy it every day. Stay a hater, stay mad!
@@skoopy the end is such a Logan Paul type comment, but thats besides the point. Your title is heavy Tommy sided and from the first 3 minutes in you got to nothing. The worst thing dream did was fake evidence in this situation, which is bad but basically the same thing Tommy did. If you look at it from a objective standpoint, dream makes BETTER points. He doesn't have to relie on Ludwig to back his point about something not even about the thing he was talking about.
@@skoopy I could go on for hours about how much of a hypocritical loser Tommy is like the switch in sides after the quality situation or him straight up lying about dream holding things against him with no proof and then thinking it's acceptable to go around spreading allegations about him being a pedo. But it would be a waste of time
the title disregards that they BOTH lie a ton, dream in his "im sorry" video cuts out a lot of Tubbo's and Tommy's context to what they say
this isnt a "dreams right" or "tommys right" its that these are grown ass men acting like kindergarteners
the title is missleading not because its wrong, but because it doesnt share the full story enough, it should be "kindergarten beef in the MCYT space again" bc neither is right, theyre both manipulating information
People weren't upset because of the R-word. People were upset at the R-word being directed at THEM. Tommy and Dream have a LARGE audience. Millions. It's stupid of Dream to think that a large majority of them wouldn't overlap. Dream fans are Tommyinnit fans. They literally were the faces of the dsmp fanbase. Dream saying the R-word at 'Tommy's' fanbase is so weird. My guy they are YOUR fans as well. How are you this dumb?
Also directly attacking another creators fanbase is stupid as well. Shaming someone for watching a youtube channel is wrong. Just straight up wrong. He should have kept the Drama between the two of them. Not pull the fanbase in. No wonder why people are angry.
no, he reposted that meme because tommys fans are not dreams fans and tommy knows this. they were the same people who were cheering when nicholas cantu was spewing slurs at dream. they are idiotic hypocrites and it isnt dreams fault for pointing it out
@@cupbluee This doesn't really change my point. You think every single Tommy fan were people are Dream haters? Every SINGLE one of them. Dream was essentially looping together innocent and guilty people into one group. Tommy's ENTIRE fanbase. It's like the teacher punishing the entire class for something one person did. Yes those stans exist, but Dream shouldn't have acted so rashly and target people who had nothing related to it.
Me playin tf2 while this happen
I completely agree with you. And I think this situation should stay private cuz people are putting pressure in both sides and its just immature in my opinion. Also we need more evidence of dream situation before arguing. I'm not on any side btw
i agree, but he couldn’t really keep it private since tommy blocked him on everything, and he couldn’t let it ruin his reputation since people have a habit of automatically siding with whoever is against dream anyway
aside from the issue with Tommy blocking Dream and addressing him in public instead (meaning evidence for claims is expected and he blatantly failed to provide that), i thought it was really weird that Tommy never made any sort of apology for calling dream a p3d0 when the allegations were unsubstantiated, and continuing after they had been disproven.
yeah Dream yaps a lot and it takes him a while to understand why something he did was wrong, at least he does eventually take genuine accountability.
people praised Nicolas Cantu for calling Dream slurs and justified his use of them because he reclaims them, despite the fact that he was blatantly using them in an insulting way. most people i've spoken to anyway don't know that reclaiming a slur doesn't mean you can use it as one, so you can probably guess why dream genuinely didn't think he was doing anything wrong.
the problem i have with dream is why he posted that meme in the first place.... i mean, it just wasn't necessary, he wasn't involved and it was rude anyway, but i think his "crashout" is understandable given the hell he's been put through non-stop.
tommy on the other hand should know better, it just doesn't make any sense to me why he thought throwing out baseless accusations and not showing any remorse for the jokes he made promoting false accusations, was a good idea
in my opinion the skit thing is mad goofy I don't think it's that deep
To you it isn't. For Dream it was THAT deep. Tommy was still a friend to Dream, and that SMPs situation was very mentally exhausting to him. He did his best to both reach out to Quackity AND tried to cease the tension between his fans and Quackity's.
Also friendly reminder, that there was QSMP fans who threatened Dream and his family. Latino fans in Florida planned to dox, stalk and even track Dream. Some even threatened to rape his younger sister.
@@SamCalOver Minecraft?????
@GameExcel minecraft is his whole life bro 😂
@@SamCal it's not tommy's fault for making a joke quackity fans are just crazy
@ XD
this is HUGE... for the jobless.
Legit fell asleep watching this video, the situation is that damn boring 😭🙏
omg your so real for that
@@Nesquik-3683 I was just back from a trip and very tired.
Abridged from a previous comment of mine, 'both are playing a stupid game, and it's not even the same one as the other'
Yoooooooooooooooooo skeppy intro be like😂
The funny thing is that none moved on with their life's.
16:15 amazing clutch bro
I’ve honestly given up on them tbh, dreams crash out was weird ass, and they’re being so pathetic and they’re acting like little kids
This was absolutely hilarious! Tommy’s chaotic energy and evil plans never fail to entertain. The dynamic between him and Dream is just gold. Loved every second of it!
How hard is it to not use Twitter bro...
can we take a moment to appreciate the lader clutch at 16:10
How Blissolic can’t decide on a title
After I saw tubbo's reaction idk anymore
exact reason why the only minecraft youtubers id ever watch is techno or markiplier
4:51 excuse me???? why would YOU say that word?!?!
Bro someone teach dream to make short tweets omg
Here in the Hispanic Community we have an expression when someone gets humiliated:
Meada mesopotámica
who made that cool thumbnail 👀
This sick guy called lucassplus
such a nothing burger and should have been handled privately