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Never vote for an EV politician!
EV politicians don't even want to be caught dead driving these damn things. Kinda sets a precedent of what they think of us peasants. It seems those who were fooled at first paid dearly for their error in their ways and now know better. Only the net zero zealots still want a Klausvagen. Never thought an anti car movement (transportation appliance agenda) would become part of the Chicken Little religion, but here we are.
If we even knew what that was.
Yeah, what's an 'ev politician'? 😂
The people who still want to buy an EV will be the fourth 'F': Fools.
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nice one
Nice!👍👍👍
@@Acemeistre Go back to your EVangelical frothing at the mouth church… with all due respect.
@@Acemeistreno what it says is that people want ICE vehicles with better mileage 😅.
Net Zero needs to be abandoned.
It is extremely costly, impractical and totally unnecessary. Governments should not foist electric cars upon the hapless taxpayers.
Tell that to the WEF.
Net Zero would kill us all, it's that simple. It isnt possible to have 8 billion living breathing humans on the planet without additional (fossil fuel) inputs.
@@larrybethune3909no point, they already know that the underlying premise of human generated CO2 has no influence on temperatures.
We need a CO2 month!
It’s for the PLANTS!
@@GT380man There is nothing we could possibly do about it anyway.
I wish they stop using the term 'net zero' it's impossible and dangerous.
Agree
Tell China😂
@@harold68632706 coal fired power stations with more under construction 😮😮😮😮
Net zero refers to their collective IQ
Never in the history of mankind have two innocuous words, that when placed together, been and will be responsible for so much human misery.
Insurance will kill EV's
As long as the insurance companies don't just add the increase in price onto the rest of us
In Sweden they say our electricity prices will go up by 12% now, since someone has to pay the expansion of the grid for EV's.. so insurance kill evs, and ev's kill our electricity bills.
Hopefully.
As will fire departments who refuse to fight EV fires
@@gebirg1 I don't think the underwriters are able to do that so it would all have to be down to the brokers and I don't think most of them would be willing to do it as most of their business comes from ICE vehicles.
I have a neighbour that has a Nissan Leaf EV. He can't charge it from his place and therefore has to drive for miles into town to find a charger to charge up. Often the chargers are either being used or are out of order. It is unbelievable that people can be so stupid so as to inflict this stress and suffering on themselves. Buying an EV must surely be the best way of proving to the world that you are mentally damaged.
Yeah. They only remotely make sense if you don’t have to drive long distances and can charge from home overnight. Lots of people can’t do that. Even then my boss had a Tesla X then after a couple years bought a Landrover Discovery as his main car even though he could charge from home. It was just too inconvenient to depend on even charging from home.
My coworker "cooled my jets" on EVs by starting as a EV Cult "fanboy" and then day by detailing the nightmare of ownership.. within 2 years he was driving an older toyota and was done with EVs permanently... I learned from his example... Basically, none of the fanboy "bot / ev troll / ev cult" accounts can change my mind...
Yes I hear many chargers are out of action and it doesnt seem to be anyone's particular job to fix them so they just stay broken for months. If a charging company goes broke, I'm not sure what happens. It's not like there's any money in it so I don't know who if anyone takes them over.
Also the leaf batteries are terrible, be lucky to get 50 miles, totally useless
What they like MOST is feeling SMARTER than everyone else
What the HATE most is charging
Why are manufacturers continuing to produce a product nobody wants to buy? This madness needs to stop.
Absolutely NO bailouts for these companies!
To stop the production line I read ages ago, costs the company £1,000 a second, and that was for ICE cars.
Communism Central Government Control
Because the government pays them huge subsidies to keep them afloat
Government Coercion
We just dont want them... Petrol forever, EV never.
Baffoon
@@i6power30the only baffoon here, is you
@@i6power30 Not even trying anymore, are you. 😴
Eh I could see a future of something than other Petrol. It's not any time soon though. EV's at their heart are fine, the problem is the batteries/power supply. Until that technology improves a ton it's just not going to happen. Frankly I think we need a self powering car type before electric vehicles would be viable. Something like a mini nuclear or fusion reactor you see in sci fi. But unlike a lot of the scam claims from places like china that claim to have batteries able to store thousands of miles of power and charge in minutes, I don't think such tech is coming any time soon.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming zeekr Golden battery and BYD 2nd gen blade batteries can charge 10-80% in 8 minutes and they are real not scams. But the western countries are in denial and impose tariffs on Chinese EVs as political move, and hinders innovation.
Fanbois, fleets, freebies, fires, flat batteries, financial problems, ...
FFS!
Foolhardy, featherbrained, feebleminded, fatuous.
Nice!👍
Ferociously shite depreciation 😢
@@adedavison762 There is always a good reason for that…
And yet our lords and masters spent $2.5m on chargers for parliament house. Ffs
The sheeple will pay for the power too 😢
Albo’s official ride won’t be EV
@lynn - You’re lucky. Our government morons spent $7.8 BILLION in 2023 to build public chargers. 5 have been built. 😫
Well in the US we had a program worth $7b for new EV charges. A recent report revealed that after a year and a half of the program in place there were 7 chargers built. Someone claimed 8. Literally.
And who are these lords and masters? 😂
Not to forget, that in EuropeTesla sales dropped 34% when EV market slumped 12%.
That’s not true. But run with it.
@@Audioremedy0785Even in Anerica, where overall EV sales are still rising, Tesla is slumping. Model 3, especially, is down 55% since same time last year. Almost everyone else is up sharply in America.
@@TroySavary what’s your source on this number? For context, model 3 numbers would naturally be down - because the new refreshed model launched and so wasn’t available for the first part of 2024. I’m sure any source you have on that figure would explain that. But I get that you guys are into quoting statistics that support your narrative more than context.
@@Audioremedy0785 Teslas slump in sales is a matter of public record. Why tell a pointless lie that can be easily debunked?
@@Acemeistre yeah - they are not interested in an accurate picture though are they. They just want statistics that back up their narrative.
You will not beat the laws of physics, and economic reality is now biting hard. Those of us with a bit of foresight avoided buying a lemon.
Ah, but I saw a comment on here a while ago, apparently the government will vote through changes to the laws of physics, problem solved 🤯
We might not have bought an EV lemon, but our governments are still making us pay for the EV fever dream.
At least lemons have value and are an excellent ingredients in cakes!
I can't think of a single useful function for EVs except, perhaps, as future museum exhibits in the manner of the Sinclair C5.
@@thomasm1964 At least the C5 worked, it was reliable and it didn't catch fire. More than can be said for current EVs.
@@philiphumphrey1548 So true. *And* no-one tried to make us buy the bloody things!
"We've piled them high, now we have to sell them cheap".
I wouldnt take one even if it was free.
@@user-lj9ld8ir1esame here!
@@user-lj9ld8ir1ewhy would you turn down a free car that’s much cheaper to run than your current one?
@@Audioremedy0785 I might consider an EV.When they are able to charge to full capacity in 5 minutes,not 80%,a range of 500 miles,with all heaters,lights AC,audio ect with out reducing range.Charging stations as convenient as current gas stations,tyre wear equivalent to ICE cars,guarantee never to go into thermal runaway.Are able to tow heavy vans up and down hills without reducing range to much,reduction is expected of course,but similar to current ICE cars.Cheaper insurance than ICE vehicles,Resale values to be as good as current ICE cars,so i can get a good trade in for a new EV.
Prices have to be on par with similar ICE cars.THATS WHEN I MIGHT CONSIDER AN EV.
@@user-lj9ld8ir1e it’s funny when people focus on negatives like this. I have an EV that I charge home so it’s much more convenient than going to a petrol station. And it’s much cheaper than petrol. The myth about resale values just needs to end - anyone with half a brain can do some research and see that that the resale value of a good ev like a Tesla is more or less in line with an equivalent car give or take a few %). But that’s offset by the much cheaper running costs. If you don’t like EVs that’s cool - but it’s probably because you just don’t really understand them. If you’re towing for hundreds of miles a day, they are probably not for you. But for someone who typically drives less than 80 miles for 98% of my trips, it’s perfect.
I see bmw has "canned" 2B battery contract, citing "they can't delivery batteries fast enough" that's lawyer talk for "we've found a loophole in the contract" to get out of a falling market.
Typical Telegraph not giving the full picture - so whilst EU BEV sales have Indeed gone down, so too has Petrol and diesel.
How? Because the sales of HEVs have skyrocketed.
This would indicate that consumers do indeed want lower emission vehicles, but are willing to wait until prices continue to fall and that charging infrastructure gets noticeably better.
@@Acemeistre What it proves is that people want to get better fuel mileage. The dosage of copium you need grows by the day, you might want to check into rehab.
@@robertkubrick3738 lol, typical keyboard warrior with the insults. speaks more to your own insecurities.
So you wouldn't rule out buying a Hybrid then?
@@Acemeistre Copy and paste your comment more, maybe it'll come true if you spread it enough.
lol.
@@chrisbaker8533 yes boss. 😉
The sheep are waking up !
All sheeps gone over the cliff has created a pile of sheeps and a new cliff 🤠
How many EVs does it take to compensate for the Houthis blowing ships up causing major environmental problems? We're not only being lied to but also taken for fools 👀
It’s not the ships sinking that will have a global impact, it’s the ships that are going around the Cape of Good Hope, instead of through the Suez canal, as the longer journey consumes an enormous amount of fuel oil.
@@JoeOvercoattell me you know nothing about anything without telling me you know nothing about anything 🤣🤣🤣
The level of paranoia and delusion in the comments here is honestly worrying. If people had conversations like this in public they would be getting escorted away by people in white jackets.
@@JoeOvercoat
That is also true at the same time
The EV fools are easily parted from there money, wait until a battery needs replacing.
*their
Or they need to replace their car and realise their 3 year old EV is almost worthless.
@@poliziagrammaticale9430It's an itch that has to be scratched. Lol.
Apparently the batteries last the life of the car? (Not sure how long that is)
@@paulsi1234 6-10 years if they are lucky
fine print will invalidate most warranties
This is what makes me laugh about the EV advocates in the UK and I bet in Australia, EV's sales in the US and Europe are crashing out. I very much doubt UK and Oz EV sales will make up the shortfall in profits needed to make EV's a business success.
The profits are the missing bit. Even when manufacturers were not discounting to move stock, only Tesla was making a profit. BYD were the ONLY other manufacturer who claimed to make a profit, but given the CCP's subsidies and that the CCP own BYD nobody outside the CCP really knows. The losses made have been scary. They can only be greater now. Ford just announced they lost $160,000 USD on every EV they sold in 2023. Evergrande's EV division lost $27million AUD on every EV they sold - until they went broke with the parent company. So far, only Tesla have made EVs a business success... and they are struggling now.
Don't fall to this EV's trick that the sale of EV in Australia is high..People realise that EV are more expensive and no match with the Petrol and Diesel engine beside the fact is EV travel in less distance against Petrol and Diesel cars.......
@@mikepickford1 Tesla are feeling the pain. Like BYD they narrowed down on EV's only, they have nothing to fall back on to. Toyota is the biggest car maker, as they have it all. The backbone of the company is ICE (no question), they are the biggest sellers of hybrids and can toy around with EV's without damaging profits.
@@mikepickford1 Tesla can't sell carbon credits to ford and GM because they produce their own Battery cars now, that's a big haircut for tesla.
@@nottmfunguy BYD is ramping up hybrids, that tells you the future of electrics, BYD pivoting to hybrid instead of riding out the EV slump.
When I was a young engineering student back 20+ years ago, electric vehicles seemed so exciting. "Look how simple the drivetrain is!" we would say with glee.
We always thought when electric cars would eventually come, that they would be cheaper and simpler than gas cars since they needed much fewer parts, and most of the cars youd see built by the students in the 90s were like this, simple utilitarian things.
Come now, they are as expensive as high performance sports cars and heavier than boats, and they dont really appeal to many more than a few rich liberals who don't really know much about engineering or work on cars.
Electric cars COULD HAVE worked, the industry just went the completely in the wrong direction with them. If they were affordable, modular and maintainable, they would have done well. What we got instead were smartphones on wheels that weighed more than some mobile homes and needed enough power to run an entire street of housing.
Agreed!
True. Electric bikes and scooters however have been a success and are simple.
If the batteries were a case of "remove some bolts, pull the plug, put a new battery in and that's $2000 for parts and labour please, and yes they'll charge within an hour on a 3-pin plug", then they'd be way more palatable. As it stands now they're still too expensive and too finicky to live with. Don't let the battery charge get above 80% or below 20%! Don't drive it in cold weather! Don't forget to precondition the batteries before charging! Don't have a fender bender! Don't park it too close to the house! Don't try and charge publicly without an app and internet access! Don't forget to set aside nearly an hour if you are publicly charging! Don't forget to own a dwelling with a driveway!
As an engineer having done my studies 30+ years ago we were also convinced this was going to be so!👍
The wrong direction was an all or nothing one. Proper hybrids with a smaller battery to overcome the inadequacies of ice powered vehicles like in urban situations would have been much better but it's the political agenda driving it which ultimately means no hydrocarbon powered vehicles. Personally, I can't see that happening because the public backlash will become much more powerful and by then EVs will be confined to the dustbin of history.
So, the manufacturers have seen the light and are struggling to sell EVs. Next the arrogant politicians need to be told that their mandates and policies are not acceptable. In europe the process has already begun with a major shift in politics in the latest elections. Bring it on.
What about the bought in true believers in the permanent bureaucracies, media, and so called academic institutions?
You say they are ‘struggling to sell EVs’ they are selling by the bucketload. Tesla had a revenue of $22bn in Q1 alone… how is that struggling?
Did somebody say "Fire Sale"?
😂😂
That’s it 😂👍
❤❤❤😂😂😂
Oh well played, sir!
Boom!
Only 2 words, Good news.
If only it was about the Dacia Sandero 😔
3 neighbours of mine who have had EVs for last 4 years have all reverted back to petrol cars. And all took a big financial loss in selling
It only takes one unexpected long car trip to understand how useless they are.
@@Withnail1969 do you own an EV? Or are you just speculating as to what it would be like?
This is a fictional story. But run with it!
@@Withnail1969 one was due to getting a job that required a lot more motorway miles each week, another was that they got fed up of constantly charging at home when their car is barely doing 2000 miles a year, another got the fear of it bursting into flames in the garage so sold,
@@midlife-crysis yup soundsd pretty typical.
But the fanboys always say EV sales are increasing every year.. Fools
That’s because the ‘fanboys’ are not total sheep listening to to idiots like this. If you look at the statistics max globally they are up year on year massively.
Depends on the country, EV sales went up in France and Britain.
I'm just looking at the data, man. If you wanna live in a bubble, that's on you lol
@@Luka_3D you do realise there is plenty of data out there saying otherwise clown..
They are. Just not for cars.
On the B(EV) front, E-Scooters and E-Bikes seem to be very popular.
Peoole who bought EVs most likely won't buy one ever again. So, in time the market will shrink again.
Yet all the people I talk to say they wouldn’t go back to ICE cars
I will never buy a fossil car again, because it drives like a fossil from the past. EVs are so much better to drive.
I read a report yesterday that a poll ( I don't remember which one) was taken of EV owners. 48% said they regretted buying one, named a long list of issues, an overwhelming majority of those 48% said their next vehicle will be gas, diesel, or hybrid
@@dondalphinjr5953 I read about a poll that 20% would go back to fossils.
I am 62 and been driving ICE cars since I was 17...I now own an EV and would never go back to a fossil fuel car...they are rubbish compared to the latest EV's...take one for a test drive and then post again.
German/Dutch EV-Sales where near nothing at all.
Nothing minus something remains nothing.
My local dealer friend told me that all he can do is shunt their new EV's about in their showroom to make it look like they are selling them! His sales are mostly used and new ICE cars. Very little interest in EV's in 2024. (UK)
Instead of listening to your friend, take a look at RSEV site and get a more realistic report, based on nationwide hacks (auto trader) rather than a single showroom
The old ‘my friends a dealer and he said’ nonesense 😂😂😂 you guys do make me laugh.
@@Audioremedy0785 Why is it nonsense, you weren't there. I only saw 2 ladies and they were looking at the ICE cars! 🙄
@@johnnyhollis9977 I dealer, 2 ladies, hardly much of a sample to base your statement on
@@Sp_75-76 I was there for 3 hours!!! I have used the same dealership for 20 years and they are normally quite busy. However, since they have been forced to sell EV's they have seen their sales drop and they simply cannot get people interested in buying them. I do live in a rural area where EV's would not be very practical for a lot of people and also the price of a higher end model is not helping people at the moment. They prefer to buy a high quality ICE car which the dealer is torn on selling, it's as simple as that. People object to having this forced on to them and the same goes for heat pumps. They want choice so that they can make their own minds up and not the other way around. None of my dealerships staff drive EV's as their own personal vehicles.
Your Closing comment is spot on! People are realising the limitations of EV's which they were lied to about and that they are not an IC replacement at all. They really suit a very Niche segment of the market and that still relys on a lot of idealism rather than them being cheaper to run or offer real and tangible benifits over IC's. Much as I think they are a Crock, I took an objective look at them for just a run around and they don't come near adding up for that either. Opened my eyes up to things I had missed which made them even more non viable and practical.
Any thing else other than a run around isn't worth looking at for my needs nor anyone I know!
40 million owners disagree.
@@MikeJones-mz5ig 1.4 Billion ICE owners agree. EV's are less than 3% of the total fleet
@@Ozsmallbore that's right. After 100 years. But 40 million after ten. Writings on the wall petal.
@@MikeJones-mz5ig The writing is that 40 million, mostly in china were sold a lie. It's written in bold print.
Last week I spent a week in the West Country, travelling down from Guildford to 😅Woolacombe and back via Bath. A total journey of 650 miles. Total cost of charging £0. The car was fully charged on solar before leaving and the AirBnB apartment had its own charger, and the car was put back on charge when we arrived home to fill up on solar (free) energy.
I live in Norway, and I remember back in 2012 when everyone wanted to own a Tesla, but only the richest could afford that. With so many Teslas running in the streets now, it has lost its appeal. The more people learn about all the disadvantages of owning an EV, the more those Teslas look like an expensive toy for the sheeple part of the population that believe in climate change and that they are saving the whole world. In many ways, these Tesla's remind me of the sea of VW Beetle's running in the streets of Brazil in the 1970's and 1980's.
...and yet the Tesla Model Y is the best selling car in Norway, by a country mile!
That's not looking like lost appeal.
Yeah but Brazil made VWs in those times. Norway does not make Teslas
So your evidence EVs are failing is that Tesla cars are as common as Beetles used to be?
Beetles were good value for money basic transportation.
@@robertkubrick3738 👍
Good news - thanks.
Typical Telegraph not giving the full picture - so whilst EU BEV sales have Indeed gone down, so too has Petrol and diesel.
How? Because the sales of HEVs have skyrocketed.
This would indicate that consumers do indeed want lower emission vehicles, but are willing to wait until prices continue to fall and that charging infrastructure gets noticeably better.
@@Acemeistre It indicates that people want better fuel mileage, nothing more.
@@AcemeistreAh, so it’s liar.
No ignorant person would bother posting the same propaganda repeatedly. Someone being paid would.
@@GT380man cos copying and pasting a few times took me "so long" to do. 🤣
Well I heard on the radio this morning that BYD sales in new Zealand have stopped 90% since January this year. 😂😂😂 service them all right
serves*
I have 2 friends with Tesla's and one with the Harley Davidson ' Livewire ' here in Perth ,, they have gone silent . When 12 months ago you could not shut them up .
Not a word about the money they have lost ?
Sad but true .
I can only laugh as I imagine going from Perth up to Darwin in an EV! Someone should do that just to video the trip, it'd be a comedy feast! (Of course you'd need a support vehicle, like a truck with a diesel generator onboard.)
I recon they probably just don’t speak to you anymore because you are the type of person who comments stuff like that.
@@deniswauchope3788 or across the Nullarbor deasert ? , that has charging stations run off diesel generators all the way across ,,, fools the lot of them , done like dinners .
@@Beanerds Yeah, that'd be fun to watch too. When I drove across the Nullabor back in 1971 there were dead cars & trucks all along the way, just because of the harsh conditions. I'm sure it's an easier trip now, but still way, way, _way_ too far for an EV without petrol/diesel backup generators... and if one should catch on fire, well- there wouldn't be any putting it out, would there!
@@deniswauchope3788Yes , my Wife and I rode across on our motorcycles in about 1995 and we had to have a 5 liter fuel can and 3 liters of water strapped to the back of each bike , its a bloody long way with nothing for 100's and 100's of km's .
Great experience tho , and it would be horrible in a car with 300km range !
The best thing about electric vehicles is that like climate change they don’t make sense
Fisker and Lucid went "belly-up". When I see one on the road the 1st thought that comes to my head is: SUCKER! 🤣🤣🤣 Good luck getting service, spare parts or finding someone stupid enough to buy it.
Lucid hasn't gone bankrupt. Fisker would have gone under even if he was selling gas cars.
Why would service be an issue? There's 3rd parties now lmao
@@Luka_3D Who is making 3rd party parts for Fisker vehicles?
@@TroySavary You can find aftermarket parts online. Everything from batteries, controllers, body parts,...
@@Luka_3D I see people selling oarts stripped from junked cars. I don't see anyone manufacturing parts. Maybe Magna has some laying around from cars they haven't assembled yet.
There were not enough Fiskers sold to make manufacturing parts worth whike.
when they say EV discounts are costly to automakers.......what they mean is, the ICE vehicles these automakers also sell, are subsidizing the EV price cuts. In other words, other people are paying for EV sales through tax money subsidies or propping up automakers that need to dump their EV's. Its not sustainable.
All the money wasted could have been invested into more efficient combustion or hybrid cars.
I think you are missing the point - they can’t be much more efficient.
@@Audioremedy0785 Even if they could be more efficient, the manufacturers would sell heavier cars with more horse power like they did in recent years.
Do you know how much money is being spent on making ice engines more efficient? Do you think toyota is just sitting on its ass? 😂
They've hit a wall which is why hybrids are getting more popular
EV sales in Ireland are dropping each month and are down 42% in the past 12 months. No one wants them
What I love about this comments section is that people just make statistics up when they want to prove a point. This is completely untrue. But if you say it confidently enough, Mguy will make a video about it like it’s a real thing 🤣🤣
@@Audioremedy0785 But it is not untrue. Sales figurers released by Irish dealerships place petrol as the top seller, followed by diesel followed by hybrid. EV sales have collapsed in Ireland. Or are you saying the car dealerships are lying about their own sales figures?
@@davidmehlhorn726 find me a source that says that the EV market is down 42% in the last 12 months and we can talk 👍🏻👍🏻
I know at least 5 irish people who have an ev and don't want a gas car 😂 Go spread your bs somewhere else
@@davidmehlhorn726What he's saying is that you're talking out of your ass if you don't cite sources
Who in the world thinks that the grid is going renewable? Our grid's power generation portfolio isn't currently changing - it isn't even properly maintained poles are rotting, trees are falling on them, and wind pushes over poles, sometimes starting fires. I want to go 'green,' but that has to deal with the sewage treatment, the landfill (we make too much compost as far as the atmosphere is concerned), and dealing with the empty aquifer and resulting land subsidence. What happened to urban living and public transportation? Our transportation need is greater than ever, to the point where there isn't enough time in the day to actually make the commute between affordable housing and decent employment.
Since the 1970s, we've entertained this notion that a new ride is an environmental benefit - it isn't, unless it is a pedal bicycle. Do they really think that the airline industry is going to transition to batteries, like a really big long-distance propeller driven drone? Battery electric chainsaws are still too massive to realistically replace gasoline (a fuel that can be synthesized). Who's in the developed world is going to want to actually recycle batteries - absolutely no one. We can't deal with the automotive waste as it is. Everyone still needs crude oil for the asphalt to build and repair roads for the more massive EVs, repair roofs, etc. Plus you have to manufacture pharmaceuticals and plastics. Support your local petrol industry, it is cleaner than mining heavy metals out of ores, and, mining proposals remain rejected by the same folks who demand EVs. These folks won't let them install new transmission lines, there will be too much erosion or something. Petrol in my area is an industry that finances everything (schools, etc.) thru taxes, and civilization doesn't have alternative technologies, unless you think that a cheapish modified sine wave inverter is going to replace the actual people who operate the grid, yeah right? What university has plans to upgrade their parking for charging? It isn't happening because of existing infrastructure, and the need for electrical grounding / earthing, and architectural services are a molasses-slow joke, a viscosity that is not affordable for most people.
Makes me happy to see EV sales decline. My ice vehicles fuel tank doesn't shrink with age.
...but you forgot to mention that in the UK every £1 you spend on petrol, around 53p goes to the government in tax. EV's use house electricity with only 5% VAT and if you have solar panels the fuel cost and tax is zero after you have paid for the solar panels. So you are correct your fuel tank doesn't shrink with age it just costs more and more to fill every year with most of your money going in tax, you must be so proud....
...also you forgot to mention that because using electricity to power a car is more efficient than burning petrol the average EV cost per mile is equivalent to a 150cc Vespa scooter....ie. about 150 MPG
@@martinwalker9234innit dude. My commute to and from work used to cost me £10-12 in my 1.5d A-class with zero power, now it costs me £2-2.50 in a super car… zero road tax, longer service intervals, £200 a year higher insurance premium.
But it seems like some people need to make being “anti EV” as part of their identity for some reason. Or worse, be like the dude who runs this channel and wants to make money from selling biased doom and gloom…. must be a tragic life.
Your tank also doesn't generate fuel while going downhill either
Byd ev $10,000 us in china Byd ev $54,000 au in Australia tell them “their Dreaming”
The difference is outside of China they have to pass safety tests and crash tests. Hence the price hike to make the body shell better and the airbags actually work etc etc There was a report on it somewhere about the prices in Europe and why they were higher.
@@thehairygolfer 400% extra for set of air bags and a cut paste crash test & usual go forth and multiply Australian car warranty..buy ice KN or other $30,000
That's the 2nd hand price as soon as you drive it off the lot.
Actually nearly $17k us ($25500aud) equivalent model in AU $48k + orc. Chinese model would not go close to passing safety tests, nor have the required equipment.
@@frednedgold4636 The programme I saw about it on tv said it was basically a different car for export. The chinese car is cardboard in a crash they are that bad.
The company I work for is intent on replacing it's 30,000 vehicle fleet with EVs. Got some on trial and they go 85 miles when fully kitted out in winter. Summer a little better.
What EV model are you talking about?
@@gerbre1 There are several on test. Transit van size. 3.5 ton.
1) those who can afford an EV (and want one) already have one.
2) the fanboys who still want an EV, can't afford one, have no place to park it, and/or have no way to charge it at home.
Just as a reminder, global EV sales are incredible. Trademark Mguy just feeding very selective figures that don’t really tell you anything.
@@Audioremedy0785 cite sources then.
3-20% of 9bil people is a lot of cars. but still pales in comparison to ICE. and if sales are failing year after year, not growing, then the current market share of EV will decline going forward.
@@SoloRenegade as a quick little fact check, there are 7.9bn people in the world and last time I checked, not every one of them had cars. Most toddlers don’t. Also, what’s funny about your statistical analysis here is this:
1) You reference ‘falling sales year on year - when it comes to complete years, Ev sales have gone up every year (quite significantly) in the last 5 years
2) If 98% of EV owners are converting from ICE cars as estimated), then sales can go down and their market share would still increase. As the vast majority of the people who have bought one are moving market share to Ev. Simple example. If 100 people own ice cars and last year 10 bought EVs the split is 90/10. If this year only 8 buy EV cars, sales are down but their market share has gone up to 82/18.
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@@Audioremedy0785 "as a quick little fact check, there are 7.9bn people in the world and last time I checked, not every one of them had cars. Most toddlers don’t."
You're not very bright are you? By me rounding UP and assuming Everyone was in teh market, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. But now you're just making my case for me, and arguing against yourself.
1) still no source, just your word, and I asked you specifically for a source on that. Try again.
2) " If 98% of EV owners are converting from ICE cars as estimated), then sales can go down and their market share would still increase."
you clearly have no idea how market share works. If people are switching to EV from ICE, then ICE market share is going down. How do you et rising demand for ICE? By having dropping demand for EV.
8 of those EV sales in your example are the same people buying another EV. so you're more like 88/12 with dropping EV demand. 10 people buy EVs, then 10 more buy EVs while 4 switch back to ICE.
EVs last about 2-6yrs tops, and most well off people who understand money know that keeping an EV longer than 2yrs costs them dearly in depreciation. And the insurance for EVs is far higher too.
"There are some brilliant economics websites aimed at kids online that you could learn a lot from "
Well, that explains a lot. Now I know where you got your ideas from.... Maybe when you're older, all grown up, consuming adult content, and actually own a car, we can have this debate again.
But the price is coming down... So more people can afford EVs 🤣🤣
Funny how you people change the facts so they suite your narrative
What's my source? Well it's mguy himself 🤣🤣🤣
In Sweden now when diesel is cheaper than Petrol, we have seen an increase in prices for used Diesel cars!. Meanwhile a few people think EV's have becoming cheap when the prices drop cause of too high inventory and no sales, but these people are getting less and less.
Hej! 🇫🇮🤝🇸🇪
Still. Vihicle tax for diesel is rediculas.
@@matsv201 Same in Finland…🤮
Voting is our last chance to stop this scam.
I'm voting for whoever can build more public chargers
all those cars just gathering dust at sea ports, where their batteries are diminishing with time
Rust also, not just dust.
@@robertkubrick3738 yep especially near the sea
Do you think EVs are the only cars being stacked at ports? 😂
Look into Northvolt!
It's going straight down the gutter. They have cancelled at least one factory in sweden, in another factory three people have DIED at home and now they are looking into if it could be related to work in the factory (poison?) and BMW just cancelled a eur 2 billion battery order!
Volvo Cars killed the diesel and will soon only do EVs, at the same time no one wants Polestars anymore and a completely other company VOLVO have seen huge drops in EV-trucks sales.
What a mess.
For a new technology to be adopted at large by the public, it has to be better than incumbent technology.
EVs are far inferior to ICE technology in almost every respect, with the exception of 0-60 mph accelerations.
This isn’t true at all. The only thing that ICE vehicles have really is better range (which is irrelevant unless you are constantly doing massive drives), and refuel time (which is irrelevant unless you are constantly doing massive drives. Being able to charge at home (for a fraction of the cost) is a huge step up from paying loads to go to a petrol station.
Ev's are over a century old , current battery chemistry is 5 decades old . There is no new technology, only constant development, but then ice vehicles have gone through constant development for over a century as well .
@@tonyrest6714 petrol was invented in 1859. Your argument is quite flawed mate.
@Audioremedy0785 what argument ? Nither arguing for or against ev's . My apprenticeship was with a large uk commercial ev manufacturer , long gone now .
@@tonyrest6714 EVs from over a century are in no way comparable to EVs now.
Saturating the small EV market with product forced by government mandates is a guarantee to bankrupt everyone involved. All incentives used to sell the initial wave of EV's were VERY costly and combined with the massive investment in development costs that will never be amortized by massive sales is a road to ruin. Some people CAN use EV's with satisfaction...but not the majority of motorists and trying to force everyone into EV's will fail....and fail HARD.
Firstly, the EV market is massive. Tesla turned over $22bn in Q1 alone. Secondly gov mandates are not forcing anyone to do anything. And finally, you are forgetting that the government hugely subsidises fossil fuels. It’s effectively a transfer of subsidy. But dumb people don’t realise that.
Registrations of new vehicles does not always equal sales
Exactly
Almost like buying a state of the beta player in the day
Or a top of the line 386 PC the day before the release of the new motherboard 486. Your one day old PC works perfectly but is now worth nothing.
Hey! We got 10 years out of our Sony Betamax…probably because there were no Beta movies to rent!😂
As more and more people realize how shyte these EVs are these numbers will be dropping more and more.
5 years in and I'm still happy with my purchase though
Greetings from Germany. The only thing EV helped me were to recognize which businesses were empty-headed enough to buy into "current-day-thing" by putting charging stations in their parking lot, destroying several parking spaces for everyone else. Of course, just like EVs themselves, they are highly subsidized, so every tax payer has to bear the expenses for the privileged treatment of a few out-of-touch individuals. Keep in mind that the combined taxes on gas/diesel are well over 100% over here. (Even VAT alone with 19% is 3%-points higher than it used to be 30 years ago, and in the same period top income tax rate dropped from 53% to 42%. Guess who is paying to keep the country running and who isn't...)
And diesel is cheaper in Germany because it is heavily subsidized. Since 2016 EVs have been subsidized with 10 billion Euros and diesel each year with 8.5 billion Euros.
@@gerbre1Diesel is not subsidized 😂. Don't spread green fascist party propaganda. I don't get money when I buy Diesel, so where is the subsidition? You pay less tax on Diesel that's it. You pay less tax on your income than I do, so do I subsidize you as well? The EV are subsidized, because you get money when you buy one. Diesel is not since you don't get anything.
@@bayern1806 9 billion € each year in Germany for Diesel. That‘s why it is cheaper than petrol although it shouldn‘t.
Excellent news!
Rivian, yet another EV startup that will crash and burn, eventually.
I am mostly astonished over the fact that there are investors willing to destroy money in EV startups.
You're gonna be waiting for quite a while before rivian crashes lol
Excellant news ! Oh dear , people have woken up from their stupur ! EV's
Somebody in the LEMMINGS line did a U-TURN...🤣
I wonder what Sam the viking thinks of this one.🤨
😂😆 he'll ignore the truth expect
Man I wish we got a debate between these two.
They are both clowns in their own field 😂
Said this ages ago, the big manufacturers are not stupid, they will do enough to meet government edicts and mandates so to not incur penalties, but at the same time they will keep their ICE R&D going in the background.
Then when it becomes obvious total EV is impossible they will announce that they have a responsibility to not allow their company to go bankrupt,
So ‘reluctantly’ they will have to a roll back on the EVs and continuation of ICE vehicles with new even better ECO engines that they have developed.
i really hope so but stupidity can often be an emergent property of greed and the big manufacturers *are* greedy.
Eco engines are a disaster, Ford and Toyota, Ram, take your pick.
Nah. That was the case 8 years ago. Now the competition from Tesla and more recently the Chinese has been a pretty rude awakening for the legacy auto.
Will this result in more evs or ice cars? I don't know. I just know they're sweating bullets and I'm pretty sure the future looks bright for us consumers.
EV'S are the Future, unfortunately this is the present
I keep telling my daughter that 30 or so years in the future she will be able to go to a museum and look at ICE cars....a bit like steam trains from the 50's.....
The manufacturer willing to pay you thousands to buy an EV is oddly similar to some companies that offered free food if you got the jab 😑
Does draw some interesting parallels doesn't it.......
I bought my Citroen C1 for 80.000 Danish krober.
I cannot afford to pay 300.000 kr for an EV.
It seems they do not want us oridnay people to be able to drive.
And we must remember, the, about, 4 billions Iphones are all made in China too, with unfair subsidees, but no one talks about that.
And even they are made in China, in Denmark Apple still charges about 8-9.000 kr pr Iphone.
If Iphone was made in, say Germany, no one could afford one
People seems to gorget.
A used c0 is like 5k at the most right now. An egolf will cost you 12k. There are used cars that you can buy
Dont forget a new battery which can do 2,000 kms is just around the corner to save the day.
When I see that comment, I respond with, "So you agree with Mguy? Buying an EV is dumb right now, but might make sense at some point in the future."
A bigger battery will not save the day as the problem is not about range but more to do with infrastructure, costs, battery safety, size & weight, damage to roads, Pollution via excessive tyre wear, car replacement vs ICE vehicles, finite mineral resources, Chinese business domination of industries.
If you buy an EV now then you are brain dead
2,000km is nothing. The "ICE killer" battery will do 5,000km, be made of pixie dust and will charge in 5 minutes!
Isn't it always just around the corner. Seems like this gets said a lot.
But so is 100mpg petrol family cars.
Wouldn't be a problem if government wasn't getting involved and forcing this crap.
Since when js the government forcing you to buy an ev?
@@Luka_3D have you been living under a rock???? The Biden Environmental Protection Agency announced a mandate that will require two-thirds of all new cars and trucks sold in the U.S. to be electric in just eight years. That's an EV mandate.
Lies, damned lies, statistics, ev sales figures
Tesla has become sensitive to price cuts, cut more, fire more workers.
Sales of EVS are still growing! 1.2 MILLION in the past year! All I can say is there will be a lot of people giving up owning any type of car over the next few years! When push finally comes to shove and the cheapest cars by a country mile are EV! The ice cars will be getting crushed faster than you can speak your next FUD!
They're gonna have to increase fuel, registration, and road taxes to FORCE you into an EV. It's coming. You heard it here first.
So currently the increases in EV sales are totally driven by cars being sold with either no profit or even at a loss just to get rid of stock that isn't selling. Figures can be interpreted many ways but the underlying trend for EVs is down because without huge subsidies they just don't sell. Even with subsidies sales are not great.
Here in U.K. the thousands of invaders want Mercedes and BMWs and are not interested in cheap Chinese garbage. Nor are the natives.
Who are the invaders?
No donkey carriages? 😂
We have just been for a walk in a pretty English village we saw 3 Tesla's parked in a row, it must have been a fan club meeting the full membership.
Good news!!!! Yay!!!🎉
Good to hear this... Soon tesla and byd is going down the drain..😅😅😅
Head of stellantis said the middle class wants EVs, as the company is going to lay off a majority of white collar workers in Auburn Hills, MI.
I now have a model S but driven for local destinations only. When it comes to the long distance traveling i do every year, i take my jaguar XJL and the 570 miles of range it offers. I wouldn't even think to take the EV to the highway. Hell no!!
More normal hybrids, no plug in and no e.v,s come back in 20 yrs maybe
What's wrong with plug in hybrids?
American, EV School buses in the snow HA, HA!
Never the full story from Mguy. Subsidies ceased in Germany, but sales are anticipated to increase as new fossil fuel emissions standards come into power in 2025. As it stands, the EU has close to 50% penetration of EVs.
I won't have a milk float even if one is given away free with my breakfast cereal. I'll change breakfast cereal.
Alright I'll take it then 😂
German comedian: "We buy stuff we don't need to impress people we don't like with money we don't have".
Everybody with a house and a dedicated parking spot already drives an EV. And this isn't good for the environment as these people will try to sell their disposable after 2-4 years ownership only, as they always do to impress the hated neighbours with a new pricey cars. Luckily these people haven't switched from fossil heating to noisy A/C heating, so you can still have a nice walk in early morning without the noise of outdoor fans pumping air.
Heat pump compressors are loud. They seem to be louder than air conditioning (cooling) units. there is one across the street from me here in suburban America and I can hear it just as well as the air conditioning compressors next to my house (for this house and one next door). My only consolation is that the heat pump compressor is right under the bedroom window of a guy who modified his sports car to make the exhaust as loud as possible.
@@JoeOvercoat And worse ... A/C runs during hours with lots of traffic, so the basic noise is already high ( unless it is a Sunday). But using A/C or heat pumps for heating creates noise during the silent hours when people are at home, back from work and want to relax. I see lots of lawyers having a good time because the aging fans are getting loud and annoying.
My EV is 5 years and 103 kkm old and I will keep it as long as possible. Battery degradation is hardly noticeable. TÜV yesterday found nothing and was impressed by the quality of the nearly unused brakes. Always funny to read nonsense from people who know nothing.
Are these people living in Fairytale land. Take away the cash incentives, no-one will buy them. How about take the incentives away just like normal cars, and see how much they compare, my guess maybe 2% compared to To normal cars
"Tulip Mania" Part II - Electric Vehicle Boogaloo
Percentage figures really don't mean anything, its really about numbers. I'd also like to see a comparison of overall long term net carbon tons between an ev, a petrol car and a hybrid. The hybrid comes out better than an ev. When petrol is put against an ev to compare pollution [ especially over the long term ], it rarely includes hybrid because perhaps the hybrid usually wins.
EVs burn coal. That's why temperature is rising.
cos it really is that simple. 🤦
Dumb comment of the year award
Temperature is not rising.
There’s not even been much of an increase since pre-industrial times.
Most of the claimed 1 to 1.5C increase is an artefact of measurement.
Strip out from the record monitoring stations which have been overrun with urban development and you’ll find virtually no change since 1880.
@@GT380manand your source of this information?
@@dps615 the worrying thing is that this is not the dumbest thing in these comments.
First to laugh😂😂😂
Look, at this point, whoever buys them, deserves them. It really is that simple.
Nah if i spend money on a car I actually deserve to own that car? Wow bro thanks for telling me 😱
But Bowen said they were going to save the Planet!
Now we know how people who made buggy whips felt as more Cars hit the road.
Nobody had to subsidise cars to get people to drive them instead of a horse & buggy. They were clearly better technology, so people bought them.
@mikepickford1 Except they did subsidize it. Tax payers paid for the roads and gas stations to be built. And we're still subsidixing gas lol
@@Luka_3D sure, but by that logic we also subsidise water and sewer treatment, storm water drainage, food, furniture, everything in every store... Every single person in society uses and benefits from roads and gas stations - even babies who have never been in a car - because everything in every store was delivered using that infrastructure. It's not gas that is being "subsidised", it is every aspect of everyone's lives.
@@mikepickford1 Exactly. This fixation on evs is stupid.
@@mikepickford1 People who moved around using carts and horses paid for gas stations. And yet somehow gas station expansion is justified while charging stations are not even though many people like to drive electric and would like to see the networks expand.
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Sales of used EV are increasing in Europe, Australia and USA . The used EV car market was always going to where the major of first time buyers were going to dip their toe. Tyoata still have 2 million new unsold vehicles worldwide
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First to cry.
Nothing evaporated. Simply went to hybrids
While the market share of fully electric cars fell to 12.5% from 13.8% in May 2023, the share of hybrids rose to 29.9% from 25%.
After 38 years in retail I can assure you that the reason you discount heavily is to clear unwanted stock. Plus you tend not to replace that item that didn’t sell at a reasonable profit.
Such a cheerful thing to see. Bad ideas always fail
EU: "Lets save the planet by going carbon neutral"
China: "Okay then, here are lots of cheap EVs"
EU: "Not like that".
Really makes you wonder about this "save the environment" business.
I mean I kinda get why they are doing it. It's to protect local businesses. America did this before with Asian cars.
I do agree though that they are just screwing the consumer though
In contrast, France, Europe's second-largest market after Germany, recorded growth of over five percent. In Belgium, the third largest e-car market in Europe, new registrations have increased by around 45 percent.
So your conclusion that "the EV transition has fallen at the first hurdle and probably won't get up again" is uninformed at best and misleading at worst.
His comments are true enough the UK,and what makes France and Belgium, differnt? Massive government subsidies? Soon to end,with new anti climate con administrations.
You will see and that counts for lot of hyped things, reality kicks in eventually. These markets just lag a little behind
@@knafta007 How do you rule out that this is just a dip and that the market will stabilize and grow again?
The *only* key markets in the EU to record EV sales growth were France & Belgium. Belgium's EV sales growth is an outlier... so let's dig a little deeper. It turns out that the Belgian government is giving 5,000 Euro (!) cash incentives to buyers of EVs! That $8,000 Australian.... which proves that "Freebies" work to drive sales. Freebies are also unsustainable, which is why EV sales are tanking in markets where the incentives are being wound back.
@@RodneyW Ah, that explains Belgium's spike up, as the end of EV funding in Germany explains the spike down, making both bad indicators for the future of the EV market.
The rest of Europe's falling sales figures (except France, the second biggest market) may be attributed to the dispute over a possible phase-out of combustion cars in the EU, making potential car buyers hesitant, but I'm not sure.
The thought that an EV is basically Tip material after just 10 years concerns me greatly
My Navara drives like new at 26 years. Only paid $7000 for it cash.
Only 30% down? That is disappointing but still indicates a lot of suckers are going for the scam! The people that went for the jab last year!
Of course people who are anti ev are also antivaxers 😂😂
Pretty bad when you have to bribe someone to buy a piece of junk!!!!!!!😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
I don't think it's a piece of junk but I'll take the bribe 😂 Keep saying they are shit because at the end of the day it will just lower prices.
Here in Germany from all sold cars this year, 12.5% were EVs. So every eigth new car is an EV.
Btw: insurrance here is not more expensive, depending on the comparible model sometimes even less.