15 Things to Avoid with French Cleats
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- French Cleats are an awesome way to store your tools, but there are are few things you should avoid to get the most longevity out of your tool storage.
In this video, I have listed many of those issues to avoid, so you do not have to learn all of them the hard way.
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What NOT to do are usually more useful than what TO do.
Since this has both, it makes it the far superior video!
PS: fashion to the wall! Lol
Agreed! Glad my first design fail was cheap pine lol.
My wife and I just bought a new house and I have a 2,000 sq. ft. garage that I use for a wood shop. I love utilizing vertical space for storage and so I've opted for a French cleat system. Your tips are great and just in time because I'm going to start putting the system up later this afternoon. I'm going to check out your other videos first, I think. I don't like having to re-invent the wheel, so I'm going to glean all I can before I dive in to building this. Thank you so much for the great information! I look forward to watching more of your videos!! Happy Independence Day!
Revolutionizing my plans for my shop remodel. This guy is like the infomercial for French Cleats! Thanks for your excitement!
Not sure what I liked best about this video...the information or the positive, good nature of the presenter. Nice Job!
Getting ready to put up a french cleat wall in my shop. These are super helpful videos!! Keep them coming!!!
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GREAT VIDEO!
Short and to the point
Clear explanations
Valuable tips
Practical tips to avoid potentially catastrophic failures. These tips are obvious once explained but not intuitive enough to come up with without prior experience.
Great Job!
Glad I found your channel. Got straight to it without 2-3 minutes of fluff that some other videos have. Will be sure to check out your other clear videos.
You are the master french cleat maker...great ideas and I'm watching the rest and taking notes...great work man.
Never heard of french cleats until I saw your videos. That's a cool idea, especially to have the tools that you use most often and some storage for those hard to store tools. I have a lot of my tools in a couple different large tool boxes and have to get them out to use them. With the freanc cleat storage, it will be right there for you to use. Thanks again. 👍
So glad to introduce you to this awesome storage. I hope you have a great time building your own.
We really enjoyed this one. The tips you gave are not only great for your French Cleat system but also apply to most other wood working projects. 👍
Thanks and that's a great way to look at it too
Ive started woodworking over 4 decades ago, have used French cleats before, and still picked up a few tips here I didnt think of.
I love the way you store your battery drills! Actually, I love the entire workshop. Looks so amazingly neat and tidy. (I'm working on a 15x25" space in front of my pc since the cellar is FREEZING at the moment..) Thanks for the video!
Good stuff to know. Your presentation technique has really evolved and become polished. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work.
Thank you for this video. This is some essential information!
Another great video!
Thank you so much for creating and sharing these videos!
Keep up the great work!
Thanks Eric
Always great ideas from this channel! Thanks for continuing to provide new ways to french cleat!
Thank you very much. It has been a very enjoyable series.
really enjoy your style. had no interest in french cleats but your charisma and explanation has me rethinking. keep up the good work.
Instant sub. Great video, good info, good editing, straight to the point. Thanks man for the informative video. I'll be checking out the rest of your content.
Loving your french cleat series. I'm in the planning stages for mine so all this information is good.
One thing about spacing that I think you could have made more clear. The minimum spacing would be related to the thickness of the cleats and the size of the cleats used on the back of a holder. If you have 3" spacing between 3/4" thick cleats on the wall, then the tallest cleat you can use on a holder would be 2-1/4". That gives enough clearance to lift the holder off it's cleat and off the wall. So, while you can have whatever spacing you want, there are still things to consider before deciding.
Thanks and Great info on the spacing.
Thanks for all of the tips on French Cleats
Awesome information. Thank you.
Really useful information. Loved the bloopers too. Thanks!
The algorithm just recommended this video to me (because I've actually started doing some and working on organizing my workspace a lil) and it just dawned on me while watching this that you were the one who inspired me (and taught me) to do this a while ago. So, thanks!
That's awesome, I'm so glad you are continuing to improve your workspace
Awesome work, loved and watched everything! Thumbs up.
Thank you
Keep them coming. Thank you 👍😎🇦🇺
Very Helpful Video.
Thank you!
Long time viewer, first time subscriber... Kudos to the French Cleat King!
Another tip for heavy or awkward sizes:
Cut a block of wood that fits perfectly between the top of your hanging item and the next highest cleat....then you can "lock" it in place if you're worried it will ever come loose.
Love this series!
Thanks Chris. I really hope it helps you for the rest of your shop build.
Clear and Concise! Thanks
I don't even have any real wood-working equipment, let alone space in the garage to do work in. I'm just super-interested in wood-working stuff and tool restoration videos lately.
I also don't even have a real plan for what I'd want my garage or workspace to look like. Just having a ton of these french cleats all over sounds like a fantastic organization system to set up.
At least that tool restoration stuff was useful. I was visiting a friend and some of the tricks I observed were helpful in helping me fix his chair.
Love the desk-on-a-cleat too!
To the point and excellent advice. Subscribed !
Some cleats i made long, so I could put a stop bar underneath the bar on the wall. It does not interfere with sliding the item, but it keeps item from popping off the track. And if you want to move the item to another row, you just have to unscrew the stop or locking bar a the bottom of the holder.
Short, compact, to the point and I learned a lot.
Why can't the internet be more like this? :)
I can't agree with you More.
😅I giggle when I hear about glueing your stuff to the wall because that one of those DUH! Moments I would definitely have. You’re the second person that has mentioned it. Thanks for the video.
I love using french cleats for hanging kitchen / workshop cabs... particularly handy if you work alone... hang the carcasses without doors ( to save weight )..... & you even have side-to-side wiggle room if needed 😉
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Sounds like a great plan
loved it including bloopers thanks
Good tips! Thanks!
Good info! Thanks!
Great video! Thanks!
In my opinion, you said more by having your items in the background for me to see! I did learn a few thing's to take into consideration AND I saw a few ideas I had not thought about. I work in metal more and have used a metal cleat style hanger for some wall mounted tables to keep the floor clear underneath. I'll move on to the wood cleats soon for future projects. I'll use your words and examples to do a better job! Thanks! 👍👌😁
So glad it helped you
Really like your ideas here, I will adopt some for my workshop, also like you included your bloopers!, when you said Impoitent, you sounded like Seth Rogan doing Peter from Family Guy!
Thanks so much for yours videos. I'm from Spain, And sometime can you write also the sizes in centimeters please? Thanks again, and see you
Great list of things you might not think about.
Very nice! Thanks!
Useful tips, thanks.
a lot of useful info, I am planning my 1st French cleat wall now
Awesome, have fun building it
Excellent information .
Good suggestions. It's always the little things.
One thing that you might want to do is put a removable wedge/toggle/pin that protrudes UNDER the wall cleat. This prevents it from being knocked off the wall because you're in a hurry, or as we've seen in California/Nevada/Utah, earthquakes. Just trusting your tools to hang on a passive surface is usually okay, until it isn't. Not many videos point this out.
Good idea I use a screw through the cleat when I have them where I want them if I have to move it there would be a little hole though.
Thank you for sharing some your experience and knowledge. I've been planning a french cleat wall in my shop and I'm pretty sure I would have done at least 4 on your list. The first one you listed made me- D'OH! I need to rethink it a bit. thumbs up and sucribed
I hope your French cleat wall turns out great. Have fun building it.
That's a very neat setup, good job!
Thanks!
Loved your videos!!!
¡Qué buenas sugerencias acerca de los tacos franceses, me han parecido muy útiles!
¡Gracias por compartirlas, Internet es una hermosa herramienta!
Very Im-poytent! 🤓 I’m going to be using a French clear system in my workshop. Thank you for your videos!
Thanks for your video
You are the KING of cleats!!
Very good ideas great job
Great tutorial....
Excellent information
Oo-la-la! Great video on French Cleats monsieur!
Really useful.
Great tips!
Thank you
Freedom cleats! I installed mine top down, but I had made a pair of installation hangers that nest into the previous cleat above and have a shelf to hold the next cleat against the wall in place so you have both hands available for fastening. They look like large capital letter I's or H's on their sides. They're made from three pieces, a top cleat, a vertical spacer and a bottom rest. Hang one at one end and rest the next cleat on the shelf part, lift the opposite end in place and put the second hanger up to support that end. They maintain perfect spacing and are easily whipped up out of scrap in a minute or two!
Sounds like another great to solve the issue
great man, thanks
Very good thanks
For part 8 you should add a cleat brush scraper. A long brush between two cleats with a box surround shelf so that when you get to the end it doesn't all just fall to the ground. Does that make sense?
dude! I'm liking the channel!
Good tips. I would add “don’t use drywall screws” to fasten your cleats.
Good tip
Why not? Are drywall screws not strong enough? (I know a lot of ppl use them for stuff like this. I’ve always wondered.)
Great videos and advices. From a French guy :D
the desk is brilliant
Does the type of screws you use matter? I'm using 1 inch thick cleats made from scrap pine 2x4's. I'm going to screw into the studs behind the sheetrock. I was originally going to use drywall screws since they work fine for my diy shelf supports, but I wanted to do something with a nicer look so I was thinking about using kreg pocket hole screws instead and just countersink them. I thought they would give it a nicer look. What are your thoughts?
You are a French Cleat Master!
I loved your many french cleat ideas !! It helps a beginner like me. A question (don't know if it will be read coz it's bit old but ... in case...) My question is about the measures: how deep is the wood to make the cleat ? How wide are they on the wall? And what space vertically between the cleat on the wall ? Thanks if you can answer.
For thickness, I try to stick with three-quarter inch boards. For the width, that depends on your wall space. Just make sure they are secured to the studs of the wall. And for the spacing, I just chose 5 inches, but that is also up to you.
I’d add that you should try to avoid putting things that stick out and to which a lot of ‘momentum ‘ can be applied at the top of a holder.
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@Alvin Porter definitely, have been watching on KaldroStream for years myself :D
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Love the show
Excellent! Step 1) Frame the basement. 2) Remove porch boards and replace with trex. 3) Re-saw boards and clad the workshop walls with them. 4) Build french cleats, work station, and what not. Omitting everything to do with drywall and all the rest, as it doesn't pertain to the topic.
just found your Channel. Good stuff!! Can you make a vid on how to install french cleats on to concrete block? My garage is all concrete/cinder block. I want to do a french cleat system but there arent many videos on how to do it that are of good quality.
Interesting idea, I will give it some thought.
moving into an apartment and was wondering about weight on the cleats you could get away with. is there any reliable way to plan how much weight would be ok?
Good job 👍
Why do you avoid wood paneling for french cleats? I wish you would expand on that. Thanks!
Wood paneling isnt very ridgid and might cause the connection to weaken by bending in or out
@@jdclaverie if you're screwing through to studs as with other wall materials; I can't imagine wood panel being an issue. Right?
Johnny S always screw into the stud with french cleats.
It is still an issue because the force you are concerned about is the shear force exerted on the entire wall surface as what ever you hung on the cleat pulls down and out. The wood paneling he is referring to would be thin 1/8 inch paneling. In this case the cleat is more likely to bend not on the studs but in between the studs where there is only wood paneling.
Imagine placing wood studs on the ground and then a sheet of wood paneling on top of them. Then imagine walking over the wood paneling. If you stepped in between the studs the paneling would bend and maybe break.
As you load weight on a cleat on the wall the object pulls down and out on the cleat placing shear force along the entire wall in the opposite direction (up and in).
First time viewer. I was thinking about mounting my scroll saw to a plywood panel, and then hanging that on the wall when I'm not using it. It weighs about 70 lbs. What would you recommend?
Cleatus get my cleats off the cleat holder! Good tips, subbed, I'm off to watch the other cleat vids now :)
Can I install cleats right onto brick wall or cinder block wall/cement with tapcons
What's a good depth to height ratio to stick with? For example, if I want to make a shelf that is 14inches out from the wall, how far down should the backing go?
At least 14 inches. You want the length down (and braced) to be at least as far as it comes out from the wall.
i seriously need some french cleats in my life / shed
Great video, thanks for sharing! Question: If I wanted to make a long french cleat-mounted shelf on the wall, would it still be strong if I used 3-4 separate cleats on the studs instead of one long wood cleat along all 4 studs? Thanks!
I think that could work. Make sure the downward support is longer than the shelf is coming outward.
I'm one to always have more support than most would use.
@@SpecificLove7 Sounds good. Thanks for the help!
I have added long shelves to my french cleat walls by attaching the metal shelf brackets to 1x3 or 1x4 scrap wood strips with a cleat at the top. I have an 8 foot shelf, 16 inches deep with 4 or 5 12 or 14 inch shelf brackets attached to the scrap wood cleats positioned at stratigic locations. As always be to pay attention to the weight you plan to store on the shelves.
Which wood do you prefer for cleats, solid or plywood?
So I’m trying to hang a 100 pound mirror on a long wall. If the studs aren’t enough support, what can I do to reinforce my wall?
Have you ever heard of anyone making a bookshelf with french cleats inside?
I wanna make one and I'm trying to understand as much as possible so it works.
My current idea is a 4'w x 8't x 18"d with a permanent shelf in the middle (3'-4' high). With shelves of variable sizes. I'm thinking 1' - 4' wide by 6" - 15" deep. So I can adjust and move the shelves however I want.
Any recommendations on the cleats (how big or small they need to be, the min spacing, other tules that might apply especially to this kind of project)?
Hey hey! I am thinking of making my dad a french cleat system for his kitchen. Prior to watching this video, I thought it would be a good idea to make him a small-mid-sized cutting board unit with a hole in it (so the scraps could be swiped into a garbage below it)
Do you think its a good idea to have any cleat-units where there may be pressure on it like that? I guess what Im asking is: "how much force would a cleat unit be able to tolerate/handle?"
Im thinking of making that cutting board unit with 2 cleats like your drill-charging station for more suppert, what do you think, if anything?
Im off to watch the other cleat vids!! Thank you!
Since a cutting board usually gets wet during use, I'm not sure how well the cleat would hold up. I've never tested it before.
That was a bit of a checklist video... Yep done that, and that, and that.... Live and learn 😂
How necessary is the bottom set of cleats? I use French Cleats for hanging my TVs, and on ones that I want to angle down, I just let it rest against the wall on the bottom (I use 2X4 wood to create this effect). Do I need to add a second cleat on the bottom? I've never had one fall, but I don't want to create a problem that will break later if it's an issue. Thanks!
As long as the cleat holding the TV is resting firmly into the wall cleat, then it should be okay, BUT if the holding cleat is twisting at all, then I would suggest adding a small spacer block between the bottom of the TV and the wall.
Gr8 suggestions I saw in the first example you had 2x4s on a cement cinder block wall. My garage is similar, I dont have sheetrock or studded wall. Would you recommend adding studs to the wall or mounting a piece of plywood then add cross pieces (parallel to floor) for part 1 of the french cleat?
Part of the French cleats strength is securing to the studs in the wall. I would frame it and then add a layer of plywood.
Good video, but I don't understand why a bevel cut is used instead of a rabbet (or really two pieces one on top of the other). It would be more secure. You don't have to deal with the sharp corner or any wedging action (Though that probably makes them tighter to the wall. Does it matter?).
Some other thoughts. Put a saw kerf or better yet a routed groove about twice as wide, on the back, vertical, every 6in or so. Then you can sweep any debris into them to fall down the wall.
Put a rabbet top and bottom, then you can make locks that guaranty cantilever.
I originally seen French cleats many years ago in electronics demo displays which were about 2 foot wide and 4 foot long. You have really expanded on that. Thanks for the outtakes.
Thanks. They are an added bonus for those who watch all of the way.
I'm assuming when you say in tip number 3 not to use wood paneling a plywood wall would still work correct?
Yes if the plywood is thick and ridgid, atleast 1/2", but preferably 3/4" . The more ridgid it is, the better.
Chris over at "A Glimpse Inside" just put up a wall of plywood for his French Cleat system. You should check it out.
what is better for the wall side? 3/4 plywood, or 1x solid wood? I have drywall walls, and have finally made the decision to run french cleats around a good chunk of my shop.
People have different ideas and which is better but if you go with the plywood definitely go with a better quality.
I just like the 1x because it's easier to buy several at the store and bring home in my car.
Is it possible to use plywood cleats straight on a concrete wall?
Hi I hope you can still read this, I just wanna ask can I use 1/2 thick of plywood for cleats in a 40” long cubby
I would stay with 3/4" or larger for the strength. It might be possible, but I would not do it.
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