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For more budget options I would go for viewsonic... The little parrot is basically the only reason, but for higher end monitors I would either go for Asus or Samsung...
agreed, they have a very nice, tight, professional feel, and Jon is an excellent presenter. and i know they're doing that to appeal to the people who usually tend to buy apple products.
Samsung fumbled the bag, Apple users that want a display of that quality, are gonna see both are the same price, and grab the obvious choice, the Studio Display
Apple really just needs to stop being in denial about their limited UI scaling. All MacOS needs is a 1.5x scale version of all UI elements and suddenly 4K monitors would look perfect.
There are so many easy, small things like this that Apple could do, but absolutely refuses to do for whatever reasons. And considering the company is worth like 3 trillion dollars, apparently it’s working for them. :/
Apple did mess around with non-integer scaling on older OSes (Around the 10.3-10.4 days). I think they moved away from doing so because that would mean a lot of work for developers. And considering how easy it is to just double-scale everything like in iOS…
The LG Ultrafine 27" 5k is already basically 1:1 with a Mac studio panel, and it's currently on the market. Shocked you don't have one to compare, we have 3 deployed in a professional photo studio and they are getting great feedback.
@@yeetmaster9010 to some, yes. If you want your desk to look nice, the LG displays aren’t cutting it though. Also the displays had terrible problems the first years after release. I have no idea if they fixed those problems, but I won’t be spending money on them because of that.
@@filthyklownzssb4589 there's a B model that came afterwards just before the release of the Apple Display. That's the one to get. If you get one from eBay be careful of model number... the latest ends with a B
I definetly know enough Mac Users that don't really care to only have Apple products. Also, Samsung will price down their displays over time. Apple probably won't
Samsungs monitor comes with a far more complete package and already has things that apple charges extra for. Such as a height adjustable stand or a matte screen or even the fact that the studio display is known for bricking itself. And above that you get a far superior camera too
Mac users' way of thinking are a lot different than the usual Apple/iOS users'. If the other product fit the bill perfectly for them, they'll definitely go non-Apple
@@LaidBackDeveloper I will choose the Apple Studio Display over Samsung all-day-long. I detest matte screen.... Only Apple offers glossy.... Samsung has the smart app/tv functionality which I 'do not want' I hate targeted advertisements. Samsung has inferior speakers... I much prefer the sound quality of the ASD. Samsung's monitor is still wobbly = Fail Samsung monitor looks objectively inferior to the ASD beautiful all aluminum frame Samsung has lower nits of brightness = fail Samsung's Infinity Display is overpriced.... So is Apple's.... Both companies get an (F) Which monitor would I choose... Apple all the way....
Appreciate the detailed review, and your point on matching the 218ppi pixel density with macOS. However, let me share my personal standpoint. That level of pixel density leads to much smaller on-screen elements on 27-inch monitors, which in my case, causes eye strain and reading discomfort. Given this, I found my sweet spot with dual 4K monitors running at 200% scaling. This setup not only ensures comfortable viewing and reading, and is still quite sharp, but also provides extensive screen space, much more than a single 5k monitor, while costing less than a single 5K Apple display setup.
4K at 200% scaling is just wasting an enormous amount of content you can fit. Given they are 27", 150% or at least 175% still give reasonably large UI elements while fitting a ton more content compared to 1440p at 100% scaling.
Exactly my thoughts. 218 ppi is too dense. We should be making larger panels and simply placing them slightly further away. There is enough room on most desks.
And while we're at it: Computer monitors should not be a 16:9 aspect-ratio. Wide-screen is ideal for televisions. But 4:3 is better for almost all tasks on a computer. And also works as 3:4 when rotated. And enables more ergonomic multi-monitor setups.
@@RandomUser2401 While it's true that 150% or 175% scaling setting offers a good balance between space and the size of UI elements, there is another aspect to consider. The 150% or 175% scaling is a non-integer value, results in macOS having to make approximations when rendering. This can lead to a slightly less crisp image as compared to pure 200% scaling. At 200% scaling, macOS renders the screen at twice the resolution in both dimensions, so each pixel in the lower-resolution 'image' cleanly matches up with a 2x2 block of pixels on the higher-resolution screen. This results in clean lines and text that's free from blur or distortion.
I bought the viewfinity and have absolutely no regrets. I paid a little over $1,000. The price was $500 cheaper than the Apple studio display. It’s got plenty of ports. The colors compare relatively well to my MacBook Pro m3. Although I do prefer darker blacks. With the hardware limitations, the matted finish further reduces the blacks . I don’t mind the matte. The gloss on the Apple monitor is unbearable because it reflects every light source, often getting in the way of viewing what’s behind the light reflection. If there was one thing I would’ve changed on the viewfinity it would be the cheap plastic screen. When I put the resolution at 5k the Samsung is unusable for work. The text is too small to be legible. It’s got pros and cons but I can live with it until Apple creates a monitor with more ports.
yeah Im here only becuase its apple, the host and this video quality, feels way more interesting than watching a crazy boss playing with servers and expensive shit almost nobody can afford... and, I'm a budget pc user by the way.. not Apple user. but congrats for this channel, its so clean
There are apps that try to fix the situation of macOS looking worse than it needs to on non-hiDPI monitors - trying those programs would be an interesting follow up to this video. SwitchResX is one.
I recently got my first ever Mac (M1Pro MacBook Pro), and text sharpness on my 24" 1440p monitors was driving me crazy! Last week I discovered an app called Better Display which has helped a lot. Apple really needs to figure this kind of stuff out.
There is a company called Innocn that makes 3 Mini LED 4K monitors, 27 inch 60 hertz $499 27' 165 hz, $749 and 32 inch 144 hz $899 all with 100% P3 and HDR 1000. These are the monitors you want if you need a bigger monitor to compliment the Macbook Pro or iPad Pro Mini LED display. I first bought the 60 hertz monitor and later picked up the 32 inch just because high refresh rate monitor are great for Pro Audio with moving meters and graphs. I even turned the 32 inch into a touch display with one of those infrared USB snap on kits for $80 to use as a live audio controller when working outside in the bright sun using the Vivid app and pushing the panel to 1000 nits all the time. Just remember to turn on local dimming in the menu when you get the monitor. Mini-LED is just the perfect style monitor for me, I tried a couple OLED monitors and they were too dark and dim. Even at 500 nits OLED doesn't get the same pop as mini LED when watching HDR content. But I would like to see a 5K Mini-LED monitor if even at 60 hertz just to compete with the Pro Display XDR.
Ngl, you got a real laugh out of me when saying that Apple had the was the correct ppi. Then I got to thinking and yeah, we should prioritize ppi, that’s a smarter way of measuring resolution because as you later stated, for 4k the pixel amount stays the same and the screen size can change and will give varying sharpness. That’s why I like MAC address!
most people i know struggle with a 32" 4k display with 100% scaling. one of the most common issues I have seen while supporting large companies when upgrading monitors, is people complaining about text being too small , and of course the scaling in windows is rubbish... so higher PPI without proper scaling is lost on most.
This is mostly an education issue (and windows should default to maybe 150% scaling at that size+rez). I am aware some software won't scale correctly (but it SHOULD be larger, if soft), but majority of apps that most people use does scale. I'm a pro software dev and I use 24" 4K with 200% scaling. 1440p @ 24" is just not sharp enough.
Some of what you mentioned about scaling isn't entirely true. Nowadays scaling is performed on the display although it can be performed on the gpu. It's more about choosing resolutions that scale niceley with Apple's resolutions to avoid uneven scaling artifacts. This is less prevalent on Windows machines as they are more flexible about different displays and scaling and have cleartype.
Not on MacOS, you will have performance degradation with the current OS implementation, including Sonoma that's in Beta. For most tasks it may be fine, but for a more demanding professional usage it's easy to notice.
Unless you want to use an OLED or QD-OLED on Windows, in which case it renders font somewhat poorly since the sub-pixel layout is different on those display types.
Finally, someone that accurately explained macOS and it’s weird scaling. I hate that it is the way that it is, but it’s exactly why the Studio Display / Pro Display XDR are leaps and bounds better than other displays for me when using a Mac.
0:42 This viewfinity is not the first 'retina' PC monitor. There have been a few 5K monitors a couple of 8K over the last decade or so. HiDpi wasn't Apple/Mac only feature. The usual LTT research quality on display. 5K 27" Iiyama ProLite XB2779QQS-S1 from 2018 5K 27" HP Z27q from 2015 5K 27" Philips 275P4VYKEB - from 2015 5K 27" Dell UltraSharp UP2715K - from 2014 6K 31.5" Dell U3224KB - from a bit earlier this year - 2023 8K 31.5" Dell UltraSharp UP3218K - from 2017 8K 31.5" Sharp 8M-B32C1 - from 2021
You should mention refresh rates too, after working on a 120hz monitor for years I couldn't go back to 60hz so I went with 4k 144hz displays for my new mac studio.
as someone who spends hours reading text at a time and scrolling quickly (code + documentation), i havent found anything that matches my lg 5k and ASD. being able to adjust brightness and night shift mode + universal control across intel/m1/ipad has been *chef kiss*
I don't understand why you clearly mention that the screen's distance to the user being a massive factor in determining how good it looks, but promptly decide to use pixel density instead of resolution because... ? Pixel density doesn't account for distance either ! What you're looking for is visual angle, measured in arc seconds per pixel. It measures the area in your field of vision from the point of view of the person sitting in front of it. Also text fonts are vector graphics ! They can be scaled up or down ad nauseam and still remain pixel perfect ! The only reason text gets fuzzy at the wrong resolution on MacOS is... MacOS ! Apple just needs to implement proper scaling based on resolution like pretty much all their competitors and text would look perfect at any resolution without requiring downscaling overhead ! They simply decided not to so their customers have to pay extra for the Apple branded monitor, or force competing screen manufacturers to make one from scratch at that resolution increasing their cost. Finally, Maria has the right idea for image quality. For digital work, practically no end user will have a >4K resolution screen. Everyone has either 4K or 1080p, and sometimes the odd 1440p, but 5K is exceedingly rare and not worth designing for. Even higher resolution would only be useful for print work, but even then, you can just... zoom in. Resolutions higher than 4K are currently just a nice quality of life feature, not worth doubling your screen's cost over.
Funny that this is the first video I'm watching on the 4K monitor I just picked up locally today - a Dell P2715Q from 2015, if anyone's interested. Still holds up incredibly well for such an old monitor!
I like how this channel focuses on less "tech-savvy" users. We tech heads get lost in the sauce, lost amongst tiny little details that don't actually make a difference. I'm not a MAC guy, but there's a reason they are the market leader. Quality and simplicity.
Sitting here with a 1440p 170hz HDR monitor next to a 4k 60hz. I never notice the pixel difference but definitely noticed the refresh rate and black level difference.
I'm DevOps/developer/Linux Server Admin and I work with text *A LOT*, like... all the time. Text in terminal, text in editors, code, automation, etc. I was using Linux for last 16 years or so (I'm 31 LOL) and I do really love Linux and it's tools for my work. But half year ago I switched to MacBook Pro M2 Max because I was tired of shitty scaling in Linux (which is also shitty on Windows). And trust me - scaling that macOS has with "fuziness" because of scaling down 5K image to 4K is the perfect one for this. REALLY. On Linux and Windows you actually get text rendered at 125% or 150% and it's shit. Tables rendered with 31px, 32px, 31px and 32px spaces all over the place because... rounding of numbers when calculating where line should land on screen, text rendering, etc. - everything about that is really worst in Windows and Linux and while macOS scaling-down may be performance hit - I don't feel that - and I really want 5K 27" display which would be ideal to have the sharpest letters. Looks like monitor for me, so I'll be waiting and watching!
I'm an old guy, and I finally became an Apple fan boy when I saw a 27" 5K iMac. Now I have three Intel iMacs (all bought used or refurbished), and whenever I have to stop using each one as a computer, I'll buy the $125 Luna cable/adapter and a Mac Mini, and continue to use those amazing displays.
To be fair, I'm not a graphic designer of any sort. I do video editing at a VERY amateur level. I do audio editing -- and I play games / watch various content. I'm perfectly happy with my 27" 1440p Asus displays on my Mini. They're sharp, look good and do the job.... And I didn't pay anywhere near a grand for them. To my admittedly untrained eyes, they look good. Skin tones look right to me and so on. I went with 1440p / 144Hz displays as a balance between smoothness, price, and size. If I were a graphic designer or I produced videos professionally, I can see the value in spending the extra money -- but for your average layperson, I'm perfectly happy with my choices :) Hell -- my old (like 7 years old) Asus 24" 1080p monitor still works perfectly, and I still use it as well.
As another graphic designer, if you are using a 4K monitor on macOS you need to use the standard 2x scaling otherwise text and UI elements look poor, but it leaves you with a very large UI with not a lot of usable space. Alternatively, you need to use true 1:1 mode but then the UI elements may be too small. The LG 5K, Studio Display, and this new Samsung one are the best options for the best macOS experience on a 27" display.
What makes this monitor so exciting is that it supports DisplayPort. That means it is a legitimate alternative to the studio display for people who want to use a windows laptop. If you are using something like an XPS 15 or any of its direct competitors, this could be a great productivity display. Windows works well at native 1440P and 27” (just ask any gamer). Since 5K is exactly double the pixel count in both dimensions, 200% scaling will appear to be the same size but the image will be sharper.
One thing to consider: on a deskatop if you have 4k screen that has low dpi because it is a big screen and you have the space, you can just position the screen father away from you and you will have the same effect as with a hight dpi screen. This is something you can't do on a laptop for obvious reasons.
I run 2 4K LG displays (model: 27BL85U-W) with my Mac Studio and I'm fine with it. My current settings are set to use a scaled resolution with them and I thought this was fine, but now that I think of it, it might be why I seem to have more RAM issues than other Mac users I know. Assuming the RAM use is increased due to the scaled resolution setting. For example, I run these 2 4K displays and I am currently going on 5 days of no shutdown or even sleep mode with my setup. My memory usage is currently at 45% with a few Safari windows open, a few Firefox windows open, Discord, and a small game. Occasionally Safari seems to have an issue when I try to type. Beach ball cursor issue. One of my brothers owns one of the newer iMacs, unsure the specs, but he does have a 2nd display connected to it. I'm unsure his display settings, but he says he only ever restarts for an OS update and rarely puts it to sleep. He tells me he never has the issues I seem to have. I have had the issues I've described above when I used to own an Intel iMac, an Intel Mac Mini, and even the M1 Mac Mini. Have I been using my Macs wrong all these years?
I really do wish more companies would start caring about pixel sharpness instead of useless features like RGB. I've been shopping around for a new 4K monitor to game/work and I don't think I've ever seen one with >200 PPI. It's not a deal breaker for me though as long as text are sharp.
I currently own a 2020 iMac 5K and if I have to go with a Mac Studio + Display, nothing here has convinced me that anything would be better than the Studio Display at its 5K resolution. 5K gives you a baseline 1440p resolution with graphics and text rendered at double the resolution providing a very sharp UI. Everything I've seen here is a compromise based on price - like it was a _sin_ to want a really sharp UI - and the monitors which can give you that sharpness are no cheaper and may compromise on things like color accuracy or sound. A Studio Display gives you what Mac users have been asking for for a long time - a separate monitor with the iMac 5K's resolution and brightness (actually a tad brighter) that is separate from the computer so you can use it with any Mac. It's got a nice thumpy bass speaker and decent mics (though it still lacks FaceID). I've been using 5K iMacs since I discovered them in 2014 after I'd stopped buying Macs when Apple discontinued the 17" laptops which had been my previous mainstay. I stopping buying laptops until Apple came out in 2019 with the 16", and I now own a 2020 5K iMac and a 2021 16" M1 Max laptop for use away from my desktop (which also has a gorgeous display). I figure the iMac with its core-i9, 128 GB, AMD Radeon 5700XT w/16 GB, 10 gb ethernet will probably last until there's an M3 Max Mac Studio - don't think I'll need an Ultra - and expect the M3 at 3nm will offer enough of a performance boost to tempt me away from the iMac so displays are a moot point for me until that time.
I work in web design using a 4K Dell monitor hooked up to a Mac. When I sit down in front of my coworker’s 5k iMac, I definitely notice the difference. I want that clear picture! However, the only instance where I care about this high quality of a display is AT work, and there’s no way my company would spring for a $1600 5k display for me. Most of the monitors in the office are 24” or 27” 1080p displays. The bosses saw the price on these 27” monitors and said, “wow, what a deal!” Apparently they knew nothing about display resolutions, despite working in IT.
I reviewed last years variant of this on my Channel, the Samsung S8. I was quite impressed for content creators. Seems like they made a few tweaks this year making the s9 even better. That being said, don’t discredit the much cheaper (since it’s older) s8.
Ok, I don't care about pixel density, and I'm already subscribed, so I'm following your directions. And your point of most other monitors being "the same amount of content, just bigger" is something I'm totally fine with.
Given the current Apple external display lineup, I would consider the Samsung display if it offered 120Hz refresh rate. Full array local dimming would be nice too, but I can overlook that. I just want my external display to match the display of my MacBook Pro... Is that really too much to ask?
I wish the studio display was cheaper but a glossy screen is a must for me. Maybe Apple will make a cheaper version in the future. When I was looking for a new computer I decided against a Mac mini because I couldn’t find a display that met the Apple criteria for a price I was happy with. Ended up with a MacBook instead. Essentially, the intended resolution is important for me. I can see the difference.
you could have bought used apple thunderbolt display 27 2k 60hz ips 375 cd/m2 its outaded but its better than others in same price but why you prefer glossy display ?
you probably havent tried a good quality matte screen, as it is cheaper to have them matte. There is no difference between the two in terms of vibrance/color reproduction. You do get different reflections artefacts from the surrounding environment tho.@@Fenrir11119
I actually have this (I live in South Korea) and this is no replacement for the Studio Display. The coating is no match for the Nano-Texture, and the Smasnug version looks to be much.... washed out and fuzzier. Not to mention the squishy and soft USB ports, just calling for problems in the future. Also, only the stand is aluminium and the monitor itself is made of creaky, oily plastic masquaerading as metal. Horrid.I will return this within the week and just use my ASD, and I strongly recommend anyone who has the ability to buy the ASD over the S9 to do so. There will be no real regrets. Edit: And don't even mention the bloatware SmartTV features. Why????? Just remove those features and reduce the price, Smasnug... P.S. It costs around 1400USD in Korea.
just got the apple studio display a week ago which is what i am using at the office and yep.. wouldn't go for other brands when the first reason i bought the studio display is due to i have already been impress with the studio display.. for adjustment you can basically get the vesa option and buy a 20-30 bucks vesa mount
As someone with a 4k 43 inch monitor I have to choose between scaling too small or too big… If I choose in between softwares such as Blender will be noticeably slower because of the supersampling … Really hope they fix this in the future.
It's on pre-order for 1599 euros here in North western europe. Same price as studio display. Hardly a competitor. Don't see why anyone using Macs would use the Samsung over Apple at same price.
So everything was rendered in 5k, then downscaled to 4k? I wonder if the downscaling is where the lack of clarity comes from, not the slightly lower resolution.
Using a 4k monitor on macOS gave me a headache because of the display scaling issues. Sprung for a Kuycon G27X 5k monitor. Half the price of the studio display and uses the same panel. Pretty happy now.
I'll share my personal experience with a non-Apple monitor on a Mac device. I have the MBA M2 paired through a USB-C with DP to a Gigabyte G27Q 1440p144HZ. At first, it looked a lot worse than my Windows PC at 1440p. 720p was good but too big. I solved this using Better Display, which by magic (?), created a 1440p HiDPI resolution that looked a lot better. Another thing is the colors. By default, depending on the display and macOS version, the display would use the YPbPr color space instead of RGB, so colors may look weird. There are various methods to get to output RGB. Still doesn't look as sharp as the integrated display but is a lot better than out of the box. Might wanna try with your current display instead of looking for a new one first.
If your monitor is 27in, 1440p is actually a great resolution for macOS because it is exactly half (or technically 1/4) of a 5k display. Since the studio display renders 2x at 5k 27in, 1440p at 27in renders at a perfect 1x. So while its not retina, the sizing of everything should match exactly what a macOS display at 5k would look like, just half as dense
I bought a pro art CRV because of one of the mac address advice and i am very happy with it. As a developer (not graphic designer) i can’t see the difference in sharpness with the 5k imac display. The price was 600€ in France 2 month ago.
I have a 2019 16" MacBook Pro, and I use it with a pair of Dell 4K 32" monitors at default scaling, and so far I'm pretty satisfied. Things may be a bit fuzzier, but I really have to stop and look for it. I haven't seen a performance hit, and my fans kick in less than when I was using a 1440p and two 1080p monitors.
What a missed opportunity for Sunrise by Richard Strauss!!! Those camera angles were MADE for it. It would have been so good. Mac address, you disappoint me. Great video otherwise. :)
FYI, it seems MacOS does NOT scale the target resolution down to display native res. It instead just sends it to the display and leaves the display to solve how to scale the image. This results in weird bandwidth issues. As an example: I have a 4K 144 Hz display. If I want to use HDR, it only works at native 4K or 1:1 scaling ("looks like 1920x1080"). Using fractional scaling like 150% "looks like 2560x1440" HDR option just disappears. This means it is sending 5120x2880 (target res x2) to the display, and runs into a bandwidth issue if you try to have HDR + 120-144 Hz. Instead it just disables HDR based on which scaling level is selected, unless you reduce refresh rate down to 60 Hz which frankly just sucks. It results in a very odd user experience and Apple has not bothered to do anything to fix this. Meanwhile even my PC's Intel 13600K integrated GPU has no problem in the exact same scenario. It's stupid that a top tier machine like my M2 Max Macbook Pro 16" can't do it.
Everyone should hope that these monitors trounce the sales of Apple's monitors, among the general public and maybe even corporate offices. It'll force Apple to start making their monitors cheaper and better, hopefully.
Well it didn't work with iPhone so who knows. I imagine products like the monitor are extremely low volume anyways, it seems like MacBook, iPhone, and their services are really what keep them afloat. Airpods, iPad, and watch are decent sellers as well I think but they haven't reduced the pricing on any of those products so I doubt they will on this one.
Not sure of the logic here. The Samsung monitor in the review is the same price as the Studio Display, has worse picture quality, not colour accurate (you need a phone to calibrate), awful speakers, stand wobble, perceived sharpness filter (as seen in the video) and has Tizen forced in. Comparing the two, unless you need a height-adjustable display, why would you settle for less? The Studio Display is the clear winner.
I really wish MacOS would use monitors better. We need fractional scaling. I often use my MacBook with a 35 inch ultrawide monitor. It looks great to me, but when I share my screen over Teams, my colleagues can't read much on their side. This is true in Windows and Linux as well but there I just quickly set scaling to 150% and life goes on. On MacOS, the only way to do it is to drop resolution from 3440x1440 to something lower - which is not a viable solution.
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Studio display has one major flaw. It has uneven colors. To see how much it is a problem make na image with ~12 grey stripes on white background and view it full screen. Becouse of that reason I've changed 3 times screen in my imac 5K 2017 and I didn't bought studio display for my macbook. Besides that studio displays are great. Color range, calibration, contrast, brightness everything is great.
I'm still waiting till someone takes the Surface Studio screen and puts it in a monitor with a VESA mount... we really need these taller screens and reasonable widths!
I'm really picky about monitors, and one of the main reasons is pixel density. There just wasn't any good non-Apple screens out there that would be anywhere close to Retina MacBook pixel density (the exception being LG UltraFine models). Nice to see what we're getting to the point when there's competition, but these displays are still behind Apple's current mini-LED offerings. Can't wait for OLEDs/micro-LEDs though, would love those deep blacks and no bloom!
You guys should do a video about running Apple accessories through a non-Apple eco-system. Airpods and Android, Studio Display and Windows, etc. See how much Apple you can do without using any of their operating systems.
Im loving these new Mac Address videos but I really think the title could be changed to better reflect the video subject for people who dont watch Mac Address
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For more budget options I would go for viewsonic... The little parrot is basically the only reason, but for higher end monitors I would either go for Asus or Samsung...
The Samsung S9 5K is now $599 on Amazon!
These are some of the highest quality LMG videos out there, kudos to Mac Address and Jonathan's impeccable hosting
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agreed, they have a very nice, tight, professional feel, and Jon is an excellent presenter. and i know they're doing that to appeal to the people who usually tend to buy apple products.
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honestly mac address seems one of the more artistically fun LMG channel
How about dishonestly?
it makes sense since it's a channel about Apple, a company known for their emphasis on aesthetics
@@mavfan1 dishonestly, channel super fun
@@yaba2352 gotta agree with you on that it really does have that massive presentation feel to it
Totally agree - Jonathan is a solid host and even though they don't upload often, the videos are always great
I think it's nice that apple is finally facing some sort of competition with monitors for macos.
I mean, Apple kind of embraced it by selling LG monitors on the Apple Store
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Samsung fumbled the bag, Apple users that want a display of that quality, are gonna see both are the same price, and grab the obvious choice, the Studio Display
@@MrCharlieBrosinitially yeah. But Samsung stuff never holds value. Give it a year, it'll be down to 800-900
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Apple really just needs to stop being in denial about their limited UI scaling. All MacOS needs is a 1.5x scale version of all UI elements and suddenly 4K monitors would look perfect.
There are so many easy, small things like this that Apple could do, but absolutely refuses to do for whatever reasons. And considering the company is worth like 3 trillion dollars, apparently it’s working for them. :/
Yes.
Apple did mess around with non-integer scaling on older OSes (Around the 10.3-10.4 days). I think they moved away from doing so because that would mean a lot of work for developers.
And considering how easy it is to just double-scale everything like in iOS…
Intentional to sell their own displays
it’s a lot easier said then done sadly
The LG Ultrafine 27" 5k is already basically 1:1 with a Mac studio panel, and it's currently on the market. Shocked you don't have one to compare, we have 3 deployed in a professional photo studio and they are getting great feedback.
It's literally developed with Apple. But it is considered to be an ugly display by most apple fans.
@@filthyklownzssb4589 It's what's on the inside that counts :)
Yeah they did this before too. Mac Address seems to miss the mark when choosing which monitors to review.
@@yeetmaster9010 to some, yes. If you want your desk to look nice, the LG displays aren’t cutting it though.
Also the displays had terrible problems the first years after release. I have no idea if they fixed those problems, but I won’t be spending money on them because of that.
@@filthyklownzssb4589 there's a B model that came afterwards just before the release of the Apple Display. That's the one to get. If you get one from eBay be careful of model number... the latest ends with a B
What was Samsung thinking, pricing their monitor the same as the Studio Display? No Mac user would buy the Samsung unless it was cheaper.
I definetly know enough Mac Users that don't really care to only have Apple products. Also, Samsung will price down their displays over time. Apple probably won't
Samsungs monitor comes with a far more complete package and already has things that apple charges extra for. Such as a height adjustable stand or a matte screen or even the fact that the studio display is known for bricking itself. And above that you get a far superior camera too
Mac users' way of thinking are a lot different than the usual Apple/iOS users'. If the other product fit the bill perfectly for them, they'll definitely go non-Apple
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I will choose the Apple Studio Display over Samsung all-day-long.
I detest matte screen.... Only Apple offers glossy....
Samsung has the smart app/tv functionality which I 'do not want' I hate targeted advertisements.
Samsung has inferior speakers... I much prefer the sound quality of the ASD.
Samsung's monitor is still wobbly = Fail
Samsung monitor looks objectively inferior to the ASD beautiful all aluminum frame
Samsung has lower nits of brightness = fail
Samsung's Infinity Display is overpriced.... So is Apple's.... Both companies get an (F)
Which monitor would I choose... Apple all the way....
Let’s be honest the ViewFinity will be “on sale” every other month so Samsung comes away as the better value display.
Appreciate the detailed review, and your point on matching the 218ppi pixel density with macOS. However, let me share my personal standpoint. That level of pixel density leads to much smaller on-screen elements on 27-inch monitors, which in my case, causes eye strain and reading discomfort. Given this, I found my sweet spot with dual 4K monitors running at 200% scaling. This setup not only ensures comfortable viewing and reading, and is still quite sharp, but also provides extensive screen space, much more than a single 5k monitor, while costing less than a single 5K Apple display setup.
4K at 200% scaling is just wasting an enormous amount of content you can fit. Given they are 27", 150% or at least 175% still give reasonably large UI elements while fitting a ton more content compared to 1440p at 100% scaling.
Exactly my thoughts. 218 ppi is too dense. We should be making larger panels and simply placing them slightly further away. There is enough room on most desks.
And while we're at it: Computer monitors should not be a 16:9 aspect-ratio. Wide-screen is ideal for televisions. But 4:3 is better for almost all tasks on a computer. And also works as 3:4 when rotated. And enables more ergonomic multi-monitor setups.
@@andybrice2711 Indeed, I am using the LG 4k 16:9 as first monitor, and the Huawei 3:2 4k as second monitor.
@@RandomUser2401 While it's true that 150% or 175% scaling setting offers a good balance between space and the size of UI elements, there is another aspect to consider. The 150% or 175% scaling is a non-integer value, results in macOS having to make approximations when rendering. This can lead to a slightly less crisp image as compared to pure 200% scaling. At 200% scaling, macOS renders the screen at twice the resolution in both dimensions, so each pixel in the lower-resolution 'image' cleanly matches up with a 2x2 block of pixels on the higher-resolution screen. This results in clean lines and text that's free from blur or distortion.
This guy has become my new favorite lmg host, very informative and well paced, beautifully shot
this is basically the only remaining good content from them. maybe techlinked too, just for the cheap chuckles
I hate this topic so much because this is a subject where apple is clearly in The wrong and they should support standar 28 and 32 4k displays
standard 4K displays are 27", not 28.
I bought the viewfinity and have absolutely no regrets. I paid a little over $1,000. The price was $500 cheaper than the Apple studio display. It’s got plenty of ports. The colors compare relatively well to my MacBook Pro m3. Although I do prefer darker blacks. With the hardware limitations, the matted finish further reduces the blacks . I don’t mind the matte. The gloss on the Apple monitor is unbearable because it reflects every light source, often getting in the way of viewing what’s behind the light reflection. If there was one thing I would’ve changed on the viewfinity it would be the cheap plastic screen. When I put the resolution at 5k the Samsung is unusable for work. The text is too small to be legible. It’s got pros and cons but I can live with it until Apple creates a monitor with more ports.
I don't even use a mac, never even really used an apple product, but I love this channel. LMG and Jonathan really hit it out of the park here.
yeah Im here only becuase its apple, the host and this video quality, feels way more interesting than watching a crazy boss playing with servers and expensive shit almost nobody can afford... and, I'm a budget pc user by the way.. not Apple user. but congrats for this channel, its so clean
To think this was edited on an IPAD is freaking INSANE
LMG is really advancing and i am here for it !
Love this channel
There are apps that try to fix the situation of macOS looking worse than it needs to on non-hiDPI monitors - trying those programs would be an interesting follow up to this video. SwitchResX is one.
I recently got my first ever Mac (M1Pro MacBook Pro), and text sharpness on my 24" 1440p monitors was driving me crazy! Last week I discovered an app called Better Display which has helped a lot.
Apple really needs to figure this kind of stuff out.
I use better display also.
So do I, at 2048 x 1152 HiDPI on a 4k 27" display.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Most work places use standard external monitors and font rendering looks terrible on the Mac
@@Rew123 nope, just a user.
There is a company called Innocn that makes 3 Mini LED 4K monitors, 27 inch 60 hertz $499 27' 165 hz, $749 and 32 inch 144 hz $899 all with 100% P3 and HDR 1000. These are the monitors you want if you need a bigger monitor to compliment the Macbook Pro or iPad Pro Mini LED display. I first bought the 60 hertz monitor and later picked up the 32 inch just because high refresh rate monitor are great for Pro Audio with moving meters and graphs. I even turned the 32 inch into a touch display with one of those infrared USB snap on kits for $80 to use as a live audio controller when working outside in the bright sun using the Vivid app and pushing the panel to 1000 nits all the time. Just remember to turn on local dimming in the menu when you get the monitor. Mini-LED is just the perfect style monitor for me, I tried a couple OLED monitors and they were too dark and dim. Even at 500 nits OLED doesn't get the same pop as mini LED when watching HDR content. But I would like to see a 5K Mini-LED monitor if even at 60 hertz just to compete with the Pro Display XDR.
Ngl, you got a real laugh out of me when saying that Apple had the was the correct ppi. Then I got to thinking and yeah, we should prioritize ppi, that’s a smarter way of measuring resolution because as you later stated, for 4k the pixel amount stays the same and the screen size can change and will give varying sharpness. That’s why I like MAC address!
most people i know struggle with a 32" 4k display with 100% scaling. one of the most common issues I have seen while supporting large companies when upgrading monitors, is people complaining about text being too small , and of course the scaling in windows is rubbish... so higher PPI without proper scaling is lost on most.
Meanwhile, I've got two 27" 4k displays...
@@FarrelClement and i have 2x 32" 4k ones
@@nikolarun and I have 3x 36" 4K HDR ones
This is mostly an education issue (and windows should default to maybe 150% scaling at that size+rez). I am aware some software won't scale correctly (but it SHOULD be larger, if soft), but majority of apps that most people use does scale.
I'm a pro software dev and I use 24" 4K with 200% scaling. 1440p @ 24" is just not sharp enough.
Some of what you mentioned about scaling isn't entirely true. Nowadays scaling is performed on the display although it can be performed on the gpu. It's more about choosing resolutions that scale niceley with Apple's resolutions to avoid uneven scaling artifacts. This is less prevalent on Windows machines as they are more flexible about different displays and scaling and have cleartype.
Not on MacOS, you will have performance degradation with the current OS implementation, including Sonoma that's in Beta. For most tasks it may be fine, but for a more demanding professional usage it's easy to notice.
Unless you want to use an OLED or QD-OLED on Windows, in which case it renders font somewhat poorly since the sub-pixel layout is different on those display types.
Finally, someone that accurately explained macOS and it’s weird scaling. I hate that it is the way that it is, but it’s exactly why the Studio Display / Pro Display XDR are leaps and bounds better than other displays for me when using a Mac.
0:42 This viewfinity is not the first 'retina' PC monitor. There have been a few 5K monitors a couple of 8K over the last decade or so. HiDpi wasn't Apple/Mac only feature. The usual LTT research quality on display.
5K 27" Iiyama ProLite XB2779QQS-S1 from 2018
5K 27" HP Z27q from 2015
5K 27" Philips 275P4VYKEB - from 2015
5K 27" Dell UltraSharp UP2715K - from 2014
6K 31.5" Dell U3224KB - from a bit earlier this year - 2023
8K 31.5" Dell UltraSharp UP3218K - from 2017
8K 31.5" Sharp 8M-B32C1 - from 2021
This is definitely the best LMG channel / overall tech channels out there. Kudos for such high quality and elegance guys!
You should mention refresh rates too, after working on a 120hz monitor for years I couldn't go back to 60hz so I went with 4k 144hz displays for my new mac studio.
What display did you end up buying? Looking for something for my MacBook Pro.
YEP. Obviously not mentioned because Apple can't/won't figure out high refresh rate displays
@@Th3_ArCh0nTheir laptops and ipads?
@@Th3_ArCh0n bro onto nothing
One of my pet peeves with macOS, thanks for covering! Pleasantly surprised that you covered the monitor, caught my eye when it was announced.
as someone who spends hours reading text at a time and scrolling quickly (code + documentation), i havent found anything that matches my lg 5k and ASD. being able to adjust brightness and night shift mode + universal control across intel/m1/ipad has been *chef kiss*
just here after the edit on ipad vid XD
Whats going on with the yellow stripes at 10:50??
I don't understand why you clearly mention that the screen's distance to the user being a massive factor in determining how good it looks, but promptly decide to use pixel density instead of resolution because... ?
Pixel density doesn't account for distance either !
What you're looking for is visual angle, measured in arc seconds per pixel.
It measures the area in your field of vision from the point of view of the person sitting in front of it.
Also text fonts are vector graphics !
They can be scaled up or down ad nauseam and still remain pixel perfect !
The only reason text gets fuzzy at the wrong resolution on MacOS is... MacOS !
Apple just needs to implement proper scaling based on resolution like pretty much all their competitors and text would look perfect at any resolution without requiring downscaling overhead ! They simply decided not to so their customers have to pay extra for the Apple branded monitor, or force competing screen manufacturers to make one from scratch at that resolution increasing their cost.
Finally, Maria has the right idea for image quality.
For digital work, practically no end user will have a >4K resolution screen. Everyone has either 4K or 1080p, and sometimes the odd 1440p, but 5K is exceedingly rare and not worth designing for. Even higher resolution would only be useful for print work, but even then, you can just... zoom in. Resolutions higher than 4K are currently just a nice quality of life feature, not worth doubling your screen's cost over.
Comparing what other types of tech work with Mac is a good angle, I would love to see more coverage like this.
10:51 - there are some yellow marker-strikes on the video, probably have something to do with the "glossy screen" animation? :D
So happy to see a new mac address episode
What are the marker lines at 10:50 supposed to show?
Really glad you mentioned the default behavior where everything’s bigger. Too many critics act as though fuzzy text is the only option
Funny that this is the first video I'm watching on the 4K monitor I just picked up locally today - a Dell P2715Q from 2015, if anyone's interested. Still holds up incredibly well for such an old monitor!
I like how this channel focuses on less "tech-savvy" users. We tech heads get lost in the sauce, lost amongst tiny little details that don't actually make a difference. I'm not a MAC guy, but there's a reason they are the market leader. Quality and simplicity.
I love the pace on this video so much. MacAddress is such a great addition to ltt.
Sitting here with a 1440p 170hz HDR monitor next to a 4k 60hz. I never notice the pixel difference but definitely noticed the refresh rate and black level difference.
I really look forward to new videos on this channel. Mac Address should crank out videos more often! 😁
I'm DevOps/developer/Linux Server Admin and I work with text *A LOT*, like... all the time. Text in terminal, text in editors, code, automation, etc. I was using Linux for last 16 years or so (I'm 31 LOL) and I do really love Linux and it's tools for my work. But half year ago I switched to MacBook Pro M2 Max because I was tired of shitty scaling in Linux (which is also shitty on Windows).
And trust me - scaling that macOS has with "fuziness" because of scaling down 5K image to 4K is the perfect one for this. REALLY. On Linux and Windows you actually get text rendered at 125% or 150% and it's shit. Tables rendered with 31px, 32px, 31px and 32px spaces all over the place because... rounding of numbers when calculating where line should land on screen, text rendering, etc. - everything about that is really worst in Windows and Linux and while macOS scaling-down may be performance hit - I don't feel that - and I really want 5K 27" display which would be ideal to have the sharpest letters.
Looks like monitor for me, so I'll be waiting and watching!
For me the sharpness is necessary as a software engineer as I mainly look at text all day long and the studio display just looks nice as well
I'm an old guy, and I finally became an Apple fan boy when I saw a 27" 5K iMac.
Now I have three Intel iMacs (all bought used or refurbished), and whenever I have to stop using each one as a computer, I'll buy the $125 Luna cable/adapter and a Mac Mini, and continue to use those amazing displays.
"Only viable alternative" *rolls eyes*
When making these videos, could you also mention color accuracy for each of the displays. It's super useful for designers and photographers.
Love the casual artistic approach. And seeing people that are seen less.
To be fair, I'm not a graphic designer of any sort. I do video editing at a VERY amateur level. I do audio editing -- and I play games / watch various content. I'm perfectly happy with my 27" 1440p Asus displays on my Mini. They're sharp, look good and do the job.... And I didn't pay anywhere near a grand for them.
To my admittedly untrained eyes, they look good. Skin tones look right to me and so on. I went with 1440p / 144Hz displays as a balance between smoothness, price, and size. If I were a graphic designer or I produced videos professionally, I can see the value in spending the extra money -- but for your average layperson, I'm perfectly happy with my choices :)
Hell -- my old (like 7 years old) Asus 24" 1080p monitor still works perfectly, and I still use it as well.
As another graphic designer, if you are using a 4K monitor on macOS you need to use the standard 2x scaling otherwise text and UI elements look poor, but it leaves you with a very large UI with not a lot of usable space. Alternatively, you need to use true 1:1 mode but then the UI elements may be too small. The LG 5K, Studio Display, and this new Samsung one are the best options for the best macOS experience on a 27" display.
What makes this monitor so exciting is that it supports DisplayPort. That means it is a legitimate alternative to the studio display for people who want to use a windows laptop. If you are using something like an XPS 15 or any of its direct competitors, this could be a great productivity display. Windows works well at native 1440P and 27” (just ask any gamer). Since 5K is exactly double the pixel count in both dimensions, 200% scaling will appear to be the same size but the image will be sharper.
The transition to the SquareSpace ad was smooth.
The kind of smoothness Linus wishes to achieve but can't.
As usual, Samsung snatches defeat from the jaws of victory by pricing this stupidly. What a shame. Lets hope it goes on sale, and fast.
Lets Go! New Mac Address video, always a great day when you upload.
this video is one of the best so far, gj to the mac address team!
One thing to consider: on a deskatop if you have 4k screen that has low dpi because it is a big screen and you have the space, you can just position the screen father away from you and you will have the same effect as with a hight dpi screen. This is something you can't do on a laptop for obvious reasons.
I run 2 4K LG displays (model: 27BL85U-W) with my Mac Studio and I'm fine with it. My current settings are set to use a scaled resolution with them and I thought this was fine, but now that I think of it, it might be why I seem to have more RAM issues than other Mac users I know. Assuming the RAM use is increased due to the scaled resolution setting. For example, I run these 2 4K displays and I am currently going on 5 days of no shutdown or even sleep mode with my setup. My memory usage is currently at 45% with a few Safari windows open, a few Firefox windows open, Discord, and a small game. Occasionally Safari seems to have an issue when I try to type. Beach ball cursor issue. One of my brothers owns one of the newer iMacs, unsure the specs, but he does have a 2nd display connected to it. I'm unsure his display settings, but he says he only ever restarts for an OS update and rarely puts it to sleep. He tells me he never has the issues I seem to have. I have had the issues I've described above when I used to own an Intel iMac, an Intel Mac Mini, and even the M1 Mac Mini. Have I been using my Macs wrong all these years?
I really do wish more companies would start caring about pixel sharpness instead of useless features like RGB. I've been shopping around for a new 4K monitor to game/work and I don't think I've ever seen one with >200 PPI. It's not a deal breaker for me though as long as text are sharp.
I currently own a 2020 iMac 5K and if I have to go with a Mac Studio + Display, nothing here has convinced me that anything would be better than the Studio Display at its 5K resolution.
5K gives you a baseline 1440p resolution with graphics and text rendered at double the resolution providing a very sharp UI.
Everything I've seen here is a compromise based on price - like it was a _sin_ to want a really sharp UI - and the monitors which can give you that sharpness are no cheaper and may compromise on things like color accuracy or sound.
A Studio Display gives you what Mac users have been asking for for a long time - a separate monitor with the iMac 5K's resolution and brightness (actually a tad brighter) that is separate from the computer so you can use it with any Mac. It's got a nice thumpy bass speaker and decent mics (though it still lacks FaceID).
I've been using 5K iMacs since I discovered them in 2014 after I'd stopped buying Macs when Apple discontinued the 17" laptops which had been my previous mainstay. I stopping buying laptops until Apple came out in 2019 with the 16", and I now own a 2020 5K iMac and a 2021 16" M1 Max laptop for use away from my desktop (which also has a gorgeous display).
I figure the iMac with its core-i9, 128 GB, AMD Radeon 5700XT w/16 GB, 10 gb ethernet will probably last until there's an M3 Max Mac Studio - don't think I'll need an Ultra - and expect the M3 at 3nm will offer enough of a performance boost to tempt me away from the iMac so displays are a moot point for me until that time.
I work in web design using a 4K Dell monitor hooked up to a Mac. When I sit down in front of my coworker’s 5k iMac, I definitely notice the difference. I want that clear picture! However, the only instance where I care about this high quality of a display is AT work, and there’s no way my company would spring for a $1600 5k display for me. Most of the monitors in the office are 24” or 27” 1080p displays. The bosses saw the price on these 27” monitors and said, “wow, what a deal!” Apparently they knew nothing about display resolutions, despite working in IT.
I reviewed last years variant of this on my
Channel, the Samsung S8. I was quite impressed for content creators.
Seems like they made a few tweaks this year making the s9 even better.
That being said, don’t discredit the much cheaper (since it’s older) s8.
Ok, I don't care about pixel density, and I'm already subscribed, so I'm following your directions.
And your point of most other monitors being "the same amount of content, just bigger" is something I'm totally fine with.
I love Maria having more interaction in the channel!
Given the current Apple external display lineup, I would consider the Samsung display if it offered 120Hz refresh rate. Full array local dimming would be nice too, but I can overlook that. I just want my external display to match the display of my MacBook Pro... Is that really too much to ask?
Especially with the price Samsung is asking for.
One for the few tech channels that actually say “color gamut” instead of “gambit”.
I wish the studio display was cheaper but a glossy screen is a must for me. Maybe Apple will make a cheaper version in the future.
When I was looking for a new computer I decided against a Mac mini because I couldn’t find a display that met the Apple criteria for a price I was happy with. Ended up with a MacBook instead. Essentially, the intended resolution is important for me. I can see the difference.
you could have bought used apple thunderbolt display 27 2k 60hz ips 375 cd/m2 its outaded but its better than others in same price but why you prefer glossy display ?
@@Shady.Moustafa I find the colours to be more vibrant and just generally prefer that type of screen. I am not a fan of matte finish.
you probably havent tried a good quality matte screen, as it is cheaper to have them matte. There is no difference between the two in terms of vibrance/color reproduction. You do get different reflections artefacts from the surrounding environment tho.@@Fenrir11119
I actually have this (I live in South Korea) and this is no replacement for the Studio Display. The coating is no match for the Nano-Texture, and the Smasnug version looks to be much.... washed out and fuzzier. Not to mention the squishy and soft USB ports, just calling for problems in the future. Also, only the stand is aluminium and the monitor itself is made of creaky, oily plastic masquaerading as metal. Horrid.I will return this within the week and just use my ASD, and I strongly recommend anyone who has the ability to buy the ASD over the S9 to do so. There will be no real regrets.
Edit: And don't even mention the bloatware SmartTV features. Why????? Just remove those features and reduce the price, Smasnug...
P.S. It costs around 1400USD in Korea.
I thought it was going to be sub $1000. Staying with my 27" 4k for now.
Promises. We'll have to see if the pro photo guys agree.
just got the apple studio display a week ago which is what i am using at the office and yep.. wouldn't go for other brands when the first reason i bought the studio display is due to i have already been impress with the studio display.. for adjustment you can basically get the vesa option and buy a 20-30 bucks vesa mount
The Pokeball image on the thumbnail is misleading as there’s no reference to it in the video 🤔
As someone with a 4k 43 inch monitor I have to choose between scaling too small or too big… If I choose in between softwares such as Blender will be noticeably slower because of the supersampling … Really hope they fix this in the future.
Felt like a documentary and I m really enjoying this video
Good enough if you like wobbling things made of plastic.
It's on pre-order for 1599 euros here in North western europe. Same price as studio display. Hardly a competitor. Don't see why anyone using Macs would use the Samsung over Apple at same price.
So everything was rendered in 5k, then downscaled to 4k? I wonder if the downscaling is where the lack of clarity comes from, not the slightly lower resolution.
Using a 4k monitor on macOS gave me a headache because of the display scaling issues. Sprung for a Kuycon G27X 5k monitor. Half the price of the studio display and uses the same panel. Pretty happy now.
Using the light bar to demonstrate the surface finish of the screens was a great idea. Keep it up
I'll share my personal experience with a non-Apple monitor on a Mac device.
I have the MBA M2 paired through a USB-C with DP to a Gigabyte G27Q 1440p144HZ.
At first, it looked a lot worse than my Windows PC at 1440p. 720p was good but too big.
I solved this using Better Display, which by magic (?), created a 1440p HiDPI resolution that looked a lot better.
Another thing is the colors. By default, depending on the display and macOS version, the display would use the YPbPr color space instead of RGB, so colors may look weird. There are various methods to get to output RGB.
Still doesn't look as sharp as the integrated display but is a lot better than out of the box. Might wanna try with your current display instead of looking for a new one first.
If your monitor is 27in, 1440p is actually a great resolution for macOS because it is exactly half (or technically 1/4) of a 5k display. Since the studio display renders 2x at 5k 27in, 1440p at 27in renders at a perfect 1x. So while its not retina, the sizing of everything should match exactly what a macOS display at 5k would look like, just half as dense
I bought a pro art CRV because of one of the mac address advice and i am very happy with it. As a developer (not graphic designer) i can’t see the difference in sharpness with the 5k imac display. The price was 600€ in France 2 month ago.
I have a 2019 16" MacBook Pro, and I use it with a pair of Dell 4K 32" monitors at default scaling, and so far I'm pretty satisfied. Things may be a bit fuzzier, but I really have to stop and look for it. I haven't seen a performance hit, and my fans kick in less than when I was using a 1440p and two 1080p monitors.
For sure the best LMG Channel. Quality, Quality, Quality.
Would love an update on the samsung s9, more details on the color accuracy after calibration etc..
What a missed opportunity for Sunrise by Richard Strauss!!! Those camera angles were MADE for it.
It would have been so good.
Mac address, you disappoint me. Great video otherwise. :)
I choose you Jonathan!
The fact it costs as much as the real deal puts this DOA.
This should be $700 TOPS.
And it don't even have a glossy surface, in 2023, as a "studio display competitor".
why would apple people buy this when it's priced the same as Studio Display.
3:40 absolutely brilliant presentation of whats going on
More options for Apple products is always a plus. I will never say no to more options!
I love how this channel is basically just “let’s experiment on lmg staff”
I dont understand this video...
which means that you need to the exact ppi for like apple studio for images to look nice ?
0:30 and I realized it’s a sponsored video. Peace.
FYI, it seems MacOS does NOT scale the target resolution down to display native res. It instead just sends it to the display and leaves the display to solve how to scale the image. This results in weird bandwidth issues. As an example:
I have a 4K 144 Hz display. If I want to use HDR, it only works at native 4K or 1:1 scaling ("looks like 1920x1080"). Using fractional scaling like 150% "looks like 2560x1440" HDR option just disappears. This means it is sending 5120x2880 (target res x2) to the display, and runs into a bandwidth issue if you try to have HDR + 120-144 Hz.
Instead it just disables HDR based on which scaling level is selected, unless you reduce refresh rate down to 60 Hz which frankly just sucks. It results in a very odd user experience and Apple has not bothered to do anything to fix this.
Meanwhile even my PC's Intel 13600K integrated GPU has no problem in the exact same scenario. It's stupid that a top tier machine like my M2 Max Macbook Pro 16" can't do it.
Everyone should hope that these monitors trounce the sales of Apple's monitors, among the general public and maybe even corporate offices. It'll force Apple to start making their monitors cheaper and better, hopefully.
Well it didn't work with iPhone so who knows. I imagine products like the monitor are extremely low volume anyways, it seems like MacBook, iPhone, and their services are really what keep them afloat. Airpods, iPad, and watch are decent sellers as well I think but they haven't reduced the pricing on any of those products so I doubt they will on this one.
There was that weird time when Apple actually lowered their prices on monitors. The cinema display went through about five price adjustments.
which is why they costs just as much. lol. keep on dreaming.
Not sure of the logic here. The Samsung monitor in the review is the same price as the Studio Display, has worse picture quality, not colour accurate (you need a phone to calibrate), awful speakers, stand wobble, perceived sharpness filter (as seen in the video) and has Tizen forced in. Comparing the two, unless you need a height-adjustable display, why would you settle for less? The Studio Display is the clear winner.
@@shakeitoff1000 exactly
I really wish MacOS would use monitors better. We need fractional scaling. I often use my MacBook with a 35 inch ultrawide monitor. It looks great to me, but when I share my screen over Teams, my colleagues can't read much on their side. This is true in Windows and Linux as well but there I just quickly set scaling to 150% and life goes on. On MacOS, the only way to do it is to drop resolution from 3440x1440 to something lower - which is not a viable solution.
Studio display has one major flaw. It has uneven colors.
To see how much it is a problem make na image with ~12 grey stripes on white background and view it full screen. Becouse of that reason I've changed 3 times screen in my imac 5K 2017 and I didn't bought studio display for my macbook. Besides that studio displays are great. Color range, calibration, contrast, brightness everything is great.
The weird scaling is one of the reasons I strictly stay with Windows. Text just looks awful to a trained eye on non 218ppi monitors. Such a shame
I'm still waiting till someone takes the Surface Studio screen and puts it in a monitor with a VESA mount...
we really need these taller screens and reasonable widths!
I'm really picky about monitors, and one of the main reasons is pixel density. There just wasn't any good non-Apple screens out there that would be anywhere close to Retina MacBook pixel density (the exception being LG UltraFine models). Nice to see what we're getting to the point when there's competition, but these displays are still behind Apple's current mini-LED offerings. Can't wait for OLEDs/micro-LEDs though, would love those deep blacks and no bloom!
Yes, but how is macOS on those 8k monitors? Is 8k giving up something for the extra pixels? How much of a perceptible difference?
You guys should do a video about running Apple accessories through a non-Apple eco-system. Airpods and Android, Studio Display and Windows, etc. See how much Apple you can do without using any of their operating systems.
I am glad to see Mac Address is back! That was an excellent video on MacOS display issues!
Im loving these new Mac Address videos but I really think the title could be changed to better reflect the video subject for people who dont watch Mac Address
Gee golly, Samsung competing with Apple? Never seen that before.