New Gods: Failed Divinity | Fear & Hunger Lore
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The Pantheon of Fear and Hunger is central to the lore and narrative of both games. Humanity has long sought to emulate the Older Gods, many becoming the so called 'New Gods'. While these beings are powerful and long lived, they fall short of true divinity. In this Fear and Hunger Lore video, we explain the differences between all three categories of Gods and why the New Gods fail to achieve true Godhood.
Intro: 0:00
Hellofresh: 3:00
The Four Ages: 4:08
The Pantheon: 14:12
What is a God?: 28:12
Rher and the Moonscorched: 37:46
The Ascended: 48:27
Imago Dei: 57:47
Massive shoutout to @maxderrat - without Max's video series on Aion, this video would not exist.
Max's series on Aion: • Aion - Jordan Peterson...
This is an extremely expansive lore video that examines the lore of Fear & Hunger and Fear & Hunger 2: Termina. Specifically it tries to explain the story of the New Gods, Moonscorched and Rher as well as the following subjects: The Yellow King, Gro-Goroth, Sylvian, The Sulfur God, Alll-Mer, Tormented One, Valtiel, Nilvan, The God of Fear and Hunger, The Logic, Prehevil, The Termina Festival and much more.
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I was curious about the lore from this game and well damn one of my loremasters has answered the call. God bless you brother.
@@dustydesertdisciple6290 Thanks dude - hope you enjoy
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Hey! Great work, man. You clearly understood what Jung was getting at and this video demonstrates it. Nice work applying the concepts of ego-inflation/shadow possession to the various Gods. That's something I completely neglected to include in my videos, but you did very well!
Means the world to me Max - thank you so much for your content, and for breaking down these complex ideas in such a great way.
hey matt. i enjoy your content but you ever gunna do lore videos with more just ingame info and stuff and less real world philosophy. i enjoy your voice just interpreting the lore in your version without constantly hearing about yung. not that i dislike philosophy just kinda feels like a repeat
@@ZeroOmega-vg8nq nah. that's just synchronicity
Omg Uncle Max 🥰🥰🥰
Two legends meet. Bear Witness Tarnished! 🎶🎶
THERES NO FUCKING WAY! Smoughtown you absolute GEM. I’m so glad funger is getting a lot more recognition.
Hahah 0 hope you enjoy my take bud!
Funger is the disgusting Reddit name. Get that out of your mouth, boy.
Lol funger
i disagree that abella's moonscorched form has no bearing on her personality. The extremely muscular physique and masculine build i see as reflecting a repressed insecurity about her perceived lack of femininity as a result of her personality and profession of choice
It's so intriguing to see how Fear & Hunger went from extremely obscure to every channel on TH-cam doing a video essay about it XD I love it
I have to second this. I first learned of the game like a month ago and now its showing up everywhere
I heard about it thanks to a vtuber named Tenma Maemi playing it like a year ago
It's been pretty popular since last year lmao
The first big boom was probably from SuperEyepatchWolf making a video about it
@@Thunderous333 Define pretty popular because its booming right now
(In best Frapollo voice)
Welcome to the Dungeons of Fear and Hunger!
Frapollo - the true God of Fear and Hunger
And he's a handsome bastard too. Life's not fair
fear end unger!
The only thing I think you might have wrong is that the player character in FH1 and the contestents in FH2 have special souls. Souls are your astrological sign in the game, and according to Miro on twitter, have as much influence on your life as people who believe in horoscopes think astrological signs do. They kind of reflect your "default" response, but you can still act against you soul/sign. Everyone's got one. Miro's even somewhat recently posted a chart of which months and dates of birth coincide with which soul.
Yep, and the reason why the soul stone of most non-boss enemies and bosses of FH1 is probably because the darkness of the god of the depth mutated them.
As horoscope in real life has the scientific basis of star light from constellation shines to human. Soul of Fear and Hunger might be the result of light from the sun, moon and star (represented by traces of respective gods) affecting human. Lesser souls in FH1 is the captured of these lights, the reduction of the light by the darkness of the god of the depth that dehumanizing them into monsters.
theres also the clock in FH2 representing all the souls
Astrology is very real you can go into any community of or ask any light worker or shaman or esoterists.. they'll say the same.
Horoscopes relate to that like any fuckin charlatan does to the niche they try to imitate. They're just broad statements and bullshit but to think that these massive bodies and celestial objects that are made of the same shit we are wouldn't influence or effect us in some way is actually just kinda dumb.
I'm realizing that the entire Persona franchise from Shin Megami Tensei is basically a love letter to Carl Jung's philosophy.
Way back in the 90's, the fandom had alot of psychologists and occultists.
It still shocks and amuses me to see modern Persona fans and think to the long form debates on... oh... the impact of the conscious self on reality within the scope of conceptual reality; delimited by personal perception and conception.
… Persona is in the title
Wait until you find out where the name Philemon comes from
@@arthurpprado is Philemon even in newer Persona games?
@@user-cs8pb5mi7n no, his last appearance is in Eternal Punishment. Still, Igor is his servant and has been present all along
A bit of a correction, synthesis between the Persona and the Shadow is a common thing that is supposed to happen repeatedly. A never ending cycle.
Consider the example of someone who thinks themself as a nice guy, but is actually a huge creep.
When confronted with the True Self (the creep, his Shadow)... His Persona breaks, and he must synthesize his Shadow into his new Persona.
This gives rise to a new Persona, but since people are people, the Shadow remains.
A full synthesis of the Shadow and Persona was theorized, but such a being would be akin to a god, and as such isn't likely possible within humans.
much appreciated!
a god...an...asended god
Fear and Hunger lore videos will be a treat!
I also thought that Abella's moonscorch form was pretty obvious. Why would the community decide it has something to do with the Woodsman? She is a woman working as a mechanic in the 40's, she probably has a chip on her shoulder about her femininity ala Nouto from Persona 4. She becomes a muscular body with a TRUNK. Gee, I wonder what a TRUNK could symbolize...
Travel?
Not to mention the TRUNK looks similar to a pelvis
Indeed
What’s the first thing people see when they see you? The face. And what is it they are almost assaulted by when seeing Abella’s moon scorched face?
Miro has also related her design to the Finnish phrase 'elephant in a china shop'. The elephantine features are also probably a reference to the namesake of her moonscorched form: Chaugnar, a Lovecraftian deity.
@@GaijinEncarmine In Russian language we have a phrase:"Слон в посудной лавке" referring to a clumsy and unfitting person
I'm 55 mins in and I wish you painted the Old Gods as concepts and forces of nature. It made things much clearer for me.
The God of Fear and Hunger is interesting from this lense because, instead of a force of nature, she's a force found strictly within living beings. Destruction and creation know no bounds, but only the living experience fear and hunger. In this sense she's the closest thing to a pure Old God, unlike Alllmer, who's more of a perfect human. A juiced up new God in a way. Powerful and influential, but still at odds with his own ego, unlike the girl.
Frapollo, Wormgirl, and CDawgVA got me into Fear and Hunger and Termina. Im so glad you're exploring the grand and punishing world Miro made!
Frapollo is one of my fave channels - such good content.
Thanks bud, absolutely love the universe and the lore
I instantly thought of Wormgirls videos!
Absolutely Wormgirl, her essays on F&H are essential viewings.
OH MY GOD NO WAY YOU ARE DOING FUNGER VIDEOS THANK YOU I LOVE YOU SMOUGH
While the text seems to support Abella's infection, I can also see it as her seeing herself as a working animal. A brute relative to the dainty live she would prefer to live.
Elephants are kind nurturing parents to their youngs. They are very grateful for the people who rescue their calfs who fell in holes too. Abella is caring like an elephant.
Max getting the extended shout out, nice
For those curious about the game... It's brutal. It's unforgiving.
And it's extremely frustrating.
I went in blind and got reset a good six times before I figured out what the hell I should NOT be doing
I never expected you to dive into Fear & Hunger and am legitimatly excited that you are. Thank you!
Thanks my friend - have been wanting to dive into it for a while!
Been waiting for this one! Thanks for keeping us entertained Smough.
My pleasure my friend, hope you enjoy
Ending B always had me theorize that Rher might very much be there still. Perkele could be lying about Rher having left, or it's possible Rher tricked Perkele to think this, being a trickster god and all. The moon comes down immediately after Perkele dies, and it does say the moon god lost interest as the fight ends, since clearly the human who killed Perkele is not a real threat.
The sulfur gang each pretty much guard the bunkers for Logic, so unknowingly they are doing what Rher would want them to do, hold back humanity from ascension. I don't quite remember if the festival also just happens to take place where it does, or if it's caused or needed there, it just seems awfully convenient that Rher's power kicks in and turns the potential birthplace of an ascending god into a battleground to halt everything. Otherwise Kaiser could've just activated it without any interference, because that was his goal. He fights us because he's worried we'll disrupt it awakening.
similar to the god of depths that unintenionally helped to birth the God of fear and hunger, i just took it as such that rher fell in the same destiny, since he collected the participant's mind and talk to them using perkele in the participant's dreams and a lot of them were like, "yow wtf was that. lets use our common sense and not fight to the death in front of this train"
When i thought your lore vids couldn't get better..I BECOME TERRORIZED AND STARVED.
Incredible video!! Been so into these games lately and was both suprised and happy to see you made a video about it!! ^^
Thank you my friend! Really appreciate the support and glad you've been enjoying the games also
I personally think Abella and Daan's moonscorched forms do represent their shadows.
Abella's being her anxieties as being percieved as too masculine or brutish, and not feminine enough for society, seen in her muscular build and male dominated profession, and her moonscorched form's massive frame, lack of breasts and phallic trunk coming from it's face. Though she seems the least insecure and one of the kindest out of the contestants so maybe the woodsman's parasite applified her transformation. It also makes sense with the motif of her transformation as it literally is the woodsmans genitals.
And daan being the pocketcat is the cruelest joke played by rher as his parents were sylvian cultists who wanted to "share the gifts of sylvian" with him, implying that he was potentially abused as a child. His lover was also killed during a ritual to the gods, and so becoming pocketcat is a complete erasure of not only his personality but an inversion of his history. Pocket being an implied child abuser and servant to the old gods.
Amazing video as always, keeps me sane during long shifts.
One of my favorite games being covered by my favorite lore master omg thank the old Gods 💕
Hope you like my take on it!
My theory about Abella is that because she's been forced in to a field (being a mechanic) mainly dominated males, she was forced to suppress her femininity and doesn't see herself as a proper girl, hence the masculine stature of her moonscorched form
Both you and Max are lore / game discussion legends. So happy to see you’re a fan of his too, I’m sure he respects your content as well
Thanks bud - too kind!
Fear and Hunger lore is so interesting, oh my gosh man. I love it
me too my friend!
I feel Abela’s moon scorch reflect a sense of self hatred for how manly she had to be to make a difference as a mechanic. Dan’s seems to be more due to his arcane connections and the traces of Rher taking special interest in him.
Getting really Fungy with this one boys
So glad youre covering this game!
I love how I've been a long time fan of your souls analysis vids.
And the algorithm showed me so many fear and hunger vids which i ate up, despite never playing the games.
And now here you are, providing me another insight into something i was becoming increasingly curious about ❤
Really appreciate the long term support - means the world to me
That's a tremendous work you've accomplished here. It's with great pleasure that I will absorb those knowledges
Rarely see fear and hunger on TH-cam feed , your video breaking down the thought provoking subjects and rich lore got me very intrigued by it , pretty neat
Seeing a new smoughtown lore video drop almost had me frothing at mouth, love the content glad to support a fellow Scottsman ❤
Thank you my friend - much love back bud!
I'm really happy that you did this! I'm a big Fear and Hunger fan and I know that you are on it with research and lore, so I really appreciate this surprise.
My pleasure my friend - I am absolutely delighted with the support I am getting on the video!
So happy you tried this game!
Me too! I love it!
Funger content! Can’t wait to see you do more of this ❤
THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR LETSSSSSSS GOOOOOOO!
Never have I enjoyed an essay so much! Thank you for the video!
Really pleased you enjoyed it - I loved making it!
Holy crap, this is sick. I've been looking forwars to the f&h vids for so long.
I remember when i first found this channel with lazy sunday lore. Definitely one of my favorite lore-seekers, glad to see you found this game and your channel has grown so much since then.
Those were the days - still cherish that series. Thank you so much for being here all that time
You always make good stuff, but this is one of your better videos. It feels like you got excited about learning something new in this, and I like this energy.
That's genuinely so awesome to hear - thank you so much. You are right, I learned a lot researching this video and it was such a rewarding experience.
great to see you cover fear and hunger i think its a great fit to your content and i hope this video does well for you
Best video you’ve ever made! This entire thing was a treat. Thank you!
Wow! too kind! Really appreciate that
I've been waiting for this legendary video. You're hands down by a long mile are my favorite lore master. Thank you for your teaching wise one.
You are far too kind my friend - thank you so much. So pleased you enjoyed the content!
You should collab with Mauthedoog some day
The amount exclamation points that filled my brain when I saw you made a fear and hunger video... thank you father smoughtown for the food looking forward to more if you end up making them
My pleasure my friend - thank you so much for the kind words and support
OH MY GOD THANK YOU SMOUGHTOWN U BECAME A FEAR AND HUNGER STAN! I’m so ready for more lore!
another banger?!?!?
How does he do it!?!?!?
♥♥♥♥♥
Thank you brother
Incredible work on this! I just got into F&H recently, too, so i love the fact that you made this video loll. You always do your research really well and explain things in such an easy way. So glad i found your channel lol
Really appreciate the kind words. So happy you enjoy the content
@SmoughTown you deserve it! Your hard work really shows. I love that you collab with other creators, too. I'm already excited for the dlc lore videos lol
@@Krissyd215 So excited myself! Not long now til we have some new mysteries to sink our teeth into
Hell yeah brotha!! super excited to watch :)
Thank you my friend! Enjoy
Its taken me a bit, but I'm finally cracking into this video! I know I shouldn't be, but I was surprised to see you covering Funger. Considering your tastes, though, it makes sense. All in all, this surely will be a treat!
Can’t get over this game so glad you are making a video on it!🎉
Me neither - think about it all the time
Good stuff as always
Funger lore?!?! Love to see it 💜
Hope you enjoy my take!
Please do more lore videos on fear and hunger. I love the lore of these games and I love the style of your videos. Please keep it up.
Love max derrat's videos, good to see him getting some mentions
Ok, so I’m on my third watch now, and I think this is one of your best videos. It feels much closer to a video essay than straight lore. We got jungian analysis, a thesis which you backed up effectively, deep reference to other works, a beautifully structured script. I have been watching since way before ER came out and your work, which has always been good, is definitely becoming more ‘academically sophisticated’. (yeah, I’m breaking out the pretentious phrasing for this comment, yw)
F&H lore is so hard to parse when you’re actually *in* the games themselves, because it’s delivered so piecemeal and often obscured or oblique. Sometimes it’s hard to even understand exactly what is happening story-wise in the moment, let alone a deeper understanding. This video does a really good job of showing a more objective, overall view of the timeline of the world of F&H, and the true *purpose* of New Gods (which reminded me of Gwynn and his four kings and the ringed city, like - “here you go humans, here’s some “power” for you. Now shush and be good little inferior beings.”)
Finally - the very deliberate way you shout out other creators and give credit is always really heartwarming to see. If anyone here is into Yoko Taro stuff I highly recommend Max Derrat’s videos on the Drakengard and Nier games too!
There, that was a bit more coherent than “Yaaay!” - which was my offering to the algorithm gods as soon as I saw the notification. So glad you actually did this. Excellent job, dude.
Regarding Abella moonscorched form besides the probable parasite thing, there are also a couple of elements that could be linked to her "shadow" self:
She works as a mechanic, a mostly masculine environment and despite being a nice lady, her moonscorched form being very "manish" may be a reflection of that. And that would include the elephant thing, because I'm pretty sure the finnish version of the "bull in the china shop" saying uses an elephant as the animal. So her shadow image of herself is this brute lacking in elegance or femininity
I'd like more of this!!!
A Smoughtown fear and hunger video today is a good day i love your work. funger is spreading i love it
That was fascinating, would love to see you do more videos on the games!
I'd love to do more! Love the series!
What a phenomenal video mate!
This is awesome, would love to see you cover more from Fear and Hunger
I'd love to cover more!
This was such a great watch!!
Thank you so much!
I love this game series and im so happy to see one of my favorite lore channels cover it
My favorite channel covering one of my new favorite video games?
Damn, it’s good to be alive.
First time I see Funger content from you, very nice, please more :)
Nice! Really interested to hear your take on everything in this game
I hope you enjoy my take on it! Really excited to get into the lore of this world
@@SmoughTown it was great! Honestly some of this stuff (Jungian theory) goes over my head a bit but it’s really interesting regardless. Definitely going to have to give it a rewatch
i love fear and hunger, the lore goes deep and its interesting. Imagine my surprise when my favorite lore hunter does a video on it. Love your videos Smough
Thanks for being here my friend
Very happy to see you delving into F&H, hope the next updates goes into the Chromatic Blights because I want more lore on the dinosaur gods
Yeh - the Lizards have really piqued my interest - I love that the Greater Blights are essentially their New Gods
glad to see you're doing F&H lore. Keep them coming
Thank you bud - will do!
Fear and Hunger lore videos are a godsend
No way dude, i love both funger and elden ring and just finished one of your videos and thought "Man wish I could get videos this in depth for funger" amd immediately saw this.
Absolute godsend
and once again...
SMOUGHTOWN WITH AN ABSOLUTE BANGER OF A VIDEO...
right as i get home from my hospital shift...
**victory screech**
Hahah thanks so much! hope work went well and you enjoyed the video!
@@SmoughTownit did, thank you...
you, vaati, and hawkshaw make winding down from work so much easier, and for that i will always be grateful...
Cocoon is a special case because it's the only instance we see of *two* moonscorched people sharing a single body: Marina and her dad. We know that Rher had access to Marina's dad because Samarie brought his remains into the Rher dimension. Option B would be that her dad had such an impact, that her mind actually manifested a copy of him. And it's out of the question that there's 2 people in that body: the thing got 2 completely separate lifebars. You take her out, then you must take the cocoon itself out separately.
The cocoon is empty as well.
I love how you talked about Max Deratt. He’s another one of my favorite TH-camrs and really opened my eyes to the world of psychology. He also did a video on the best band TOOL so that was great
A other good vidoe dude keep you rock cant wait for the dlc
Thanks as always Wesley - me neither
My favorite lore master is doing lore on my favorite world?! the world is complete
Thanks my friend - hope you enjoy
Nice Max Derrat shoutout, his videos are awesome
Great video dude!
Thanks bud!
I love fear and hunger lore, i love smoughtown lore videos. I will proceed to watch this video at least 3 times this weekend
thanks my friend - I hope you enjoy
Wuh, huh, what? How did we get to Fear and Hunger on the Smoughtown channel? Like, mad respect, very cool, and I'm very excited about it, just really didn't expect to see it here of all places
Everything that I've heard about these games lets me know that I wouldn't enjoy playing them, but I'm absolutely fascinated by the lore of them. It's good to see one of my favorite lore channels digging into these monstrosities to tell me about the good stuff!
Thanks my friend! Very difficult games to get into, defo a few failed attempts before I began to make progress.
SMOUGH!! u r my fav lore diver bro. Much luv.
Much love back my friend
I've been absolutely devouring FH lore for a long time now and it's hard for people new to the lore to deliver great analysis. They mess up a lot of small things (and that's ok, not trying to hate). I had high expectations given your stellar track-record with Souls games and solid approach.
You absolutely delivered. I'm excited for your future FH vids. I may have understood all of this but it felt worthwhile to watch because it was well presented and structured. Great work brother.
Thanks my friend - really appreciate that, it's an amazing world and so I really wanted to take the time on my first video
@@SmoughTown 🙏❤️
Hope you do a full on Fear and Hunger series! Would be perfect in my opinion
Watching and patiently waiting for Funger 3❤
This video is so amazing !! Im gonna watch Max's videos that you linked and also that book. I have a feeling it's mind blowing and that it will improve myself. I also really hope to see another video from you about fear and hunger ! But all your videos are gems anyway. All of it, i just love so much your channel been over a year if not 2 i had the chance to find your channel. Didn't miss a video since then even your 12H (x3) content about ER ;)
Hey! Just wanted to say thank you so much for the kind words of encouragement.
I am super grateful for all the support and that you have watched all of my content. Means the world to me, Max's videos are top quality and cannot recommend enough
It is my pleasure :) again thank you so much for what you do. Wish you the best mate ! Just finished your Wukong video and man the game and story/lore seem so cool and well designed !! I wasn't sure about it but after your take and presentation its gonna go in my wishlist for sure. Much love Smough ❤ take care buddy
Hey Smoughtown, I highly recommend watching Wormgirl's videos breaking down the most likely 'canonical' events of Fear & Hunger
Omg a funger video, papa smoughyoure so good to us.
OH MY GOODNESS, WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE, SMOUGHTOWN DOING A FUNGER LORE VID OMG
By far, the coolest and most comprehensive Fear & Hunger lore video I've seen. Definitely my new favorite.
Max becoming the Ouroboros of his content was so cool too, getting the confirmation that his videos inspired the sequel game was awesome.
Love your videos, Smough, you're doing great!
That’s so awesome to hear my friend! I had a great time making the video and so grateful for the support I’ve got!
Much love ❤️
Gods damn you, I'm working at the moment on a video about the Jungian themes of Rher and moonscorching and you beat me to it. O well, I still have some new things to bring to the table and your video is fantastic. Well played, I will beat you next time in this newly formed parasocial rivalry.
Absolutely fantastic video, looking forward to future ones. +1 Sub
I hope you do more Fear and Hunger lore it’s so interesting and twisted
I love the lore - will defo consider touching on that more
My favorite lore youtuber explaining the lore to one of my favorite games? Hell yeah!
“We have such sights to show you !” ~Pinhead
Awesome vid !
Subbed!
I'm ALWAYS happy to see F&H covered, this game is a force of nature! But as an admittedly easily distracted person, I gotta be honest... if your pronunciations become the default because you are one of the largest channels to cover the series, I might jump into a toilet 😅
A lot of the names of characters and places in the game are borrowed from mythology, or other fiction and games. Miro has been open about borrowing from stuff he loves. In addition to looking into the Jungian inspiration of the games, I would suggest looking into the sources of those names to get a feel for why those things might be thematically named what they are (in addition to learning about other cool stories/media you may enjoy, and learning the accurate pronunciation of the varying originating languages).
As others have said, I would love to see some collabs with other F&H creators like The New Gods Podcast crew, Worm Girl, etc.