There is one major exception though. How accessing CERN's database and erasing all traces of the first D-mail that was accidentally sent somehow changed the timeline without the use of any time leap or D-mail on Okabe's part.
in the visual novel, if the player chooses not to help Suzuha and fix her time machine, Okabe willingly put himself in a time loop, where he spend the rest of Mayury's life hanging out with everyone and having fun, going cycling, going to the anime convention, and then after Mayury dies he does that again. and again. and again. and after a while he starts having weird thoughts. what if i wouldn't worn Daru of that car and just let him get run over? he'll die, but then everything will go back to normal anyway. I could be a jerk to everyone. i could have my way with Mayuri, and there would be no repercussion. and slowly he start loosing it. he no longer remembers why he goes through the loop, and he get stuck there. until Suzuha approaches him one time. She says his expression is empty, and she concludes he's been time leaping. in order to help him she decides to take him with her using the time machine. Next time Okabe time leap, they don't go to the convention or to have fun, but fix the time machine, and in the end, he goes with Suzuha. I hope I didn't misremembered anything. I felt this was relevant to the video.
2:55 The point about the "ridiculous method" in Steins;Gate is that, in fact, any representation of time travel device is ridiculous in concept, whether is a car, a man-built machine, or a bathtub. Steins;Gate did not waste time explaining that so it could focus on the important aspects of the history, characters, and plot from the start. The impact we have when the first time travel happens is incredible because you spend a lot of time with the characters in the Alpha timeline before even realizing it. So a microwave and a cell phone would do as a device to make the jumps between Alpha, Steins, and Beta. A microwave with a cell phone it is not more ridiculous than a car running at 88 miles per hour. El Psy Congroo.
The thing is, that microwave is less ridiluous than most other time travel device in other media. Why? because the cellphone and micropawave isnt the time travel device there, its the CERN particle accelerator's that produce a miniblackhole, yea i know cern in IRL and in steins gate is different, in steins gates, they manage to make mini blackhole since early 2000s. The cellphone is only there because they found and a bug that let them send a bit of information to the particle accelerator. Hence thru out the shows, sometimes they failed to do time leap. In Steins Gate Zero, its even more clearer, they just use smartphone to send the massage instead. Same still sending it thru particle accelerator.
@@aoikishi99 Slightly incorrect here. The D-Mails work just with the cellphone+microwave. Now, the Time Leap machine is the one that requires the SERN LHC to compress all the data for Okabe to actually go back in time x amount of hours.
No the phone wave works using the microwave, phone and the CRT tv downstairs that all work together to make mini black holes. It doesn't work unless the CRT tv in on
I have to give you utmost commendation for this video, Mr. Derrat. I am a philosophy major in college, as well of a fan of Heidegger’s work, and I must admit that I was rather shocked to see a video on a popular anime even dare to MENTION a philosopher as intimidating and abstruse as Heidegger. I think videos like this are incredibly valuable, not only because of their entertainment value as individual works, but because they allow an entry point for people into more intimidating intellectual subjects, which are usually rendered completely alien to average people. I know that some people believe that complex philosophy shouldn’t be attached to mere popular media, as they’re afraid of “diluting” the works and their messages, but I believe that doing so is excellent for getting more people interested. A fantastic work to be sure, and I can’t wait to see what else you’ll make!
@@blackreaperkaneki9900 Several translations write it as Congroo, but if you pay attention to the email from future Okabe you can see it is from an address called "sg-epk", which clearly means "Steins Gate - El Psy Kongroo"
@@blackreaperkaneki9900 it's kinda like both, in the Visual Novel it's called El Psy Kongroo with a k that is why when Okabe received a d-mail from his future self its called epk(el psy kongroo), while in the anime it's subtitled as El Psy Congroo with a C.
I loved that one dialogue between Okabe and Kurisu. He asks her if she wants to send a message the the past and correct some mistake of her. She just says "The mistakes I've made define who I am today. I would not want to change any of my past."
Literally just finished this VN so correction at 12:00: SERN's Rounders don't want to kill Okabe, Daru, and Kurisu, but to enslave them to finish SERN's time machine. They deem Mayuri as expendable, hence exposing the point of 'convergence' in each of the divergences. EDIT: Steins;Gate invites me to read the other Science Adventure series.
@@jksupergamer Well, I think they're good. But they are all different from Steins; Gate in some ways, so I can't promise that someone is guaranteed to like them based on liking Steins; Gate. I would say, that if you like Steins; Gate, I think it would be a good idea to try some of the other Visual Novels, to see if they're to your liking. Not the animes though. The Anime for Chaos; Head in particular has numerous flaws, especially since it's only 12 Episode, and you simply can't really properly tell the story in that time.
I'll posit a thought experiment to you: What do you think the reason for Mayuri's guaranteed death is? What 'cause' happened on the Alpha worldline that would have the 'effect' of Mayuri dying no matter what? I am so excited to hear people's answers to this.
Not even that much in the visual novel. A huge chunk of the early story is basically physics lectures as they're trying to figure things out. I actually looked up a lot of the concepts presentet there and it is very close to reality
@@gilroyscopa yes exactly, it's crazy how in depth the vn goes even into explaining the microwave phone mechanics, it genuinely isn't just gibberish I highly recommend anyone who likes steins;gate anime to go and read the vn
Btw it is implied by the writer that Okabe replayed Mayuri's last hours for over 100 years, leading to his numbness and other intrusive thoughts playing out in some VN only scenarios. Also, one of the other spin-off visual novels played a scenario where Okabe was so mind broken from trying to save Mayuri, he gave up saving her and just pretends she never died and hallucinates interactions with her for over a year. This inaction and surrender causes one of the many worldlines that leads to the Alpha line Dystopian future.
the funny thing about steins gate is that the time travel is the least compelling part, and not because it isn't good. on the contracy, it's great but everything else is just so well done.
It's a really well-crafted story for how the time travel is truly just a vehicle for the character exploration, in contrast to stories where the characters seem to exist only as an excuse to show off the time travel (or other fantastical world mechanic).
Perhaps on the contrary, it was because the time travel part is so well put together that everything else can shine in the best way. Like how good 3DCG is unnoticable but props up the suspension of disbelief in animation.
Fine, fine, fine! You guys convinced me, I'm playing it. Everyone always goes on about the "greatest time travel plot ever", and I'm a sucker for this trope. I've already researched the best versions of the chronology.
So many years after watching this anime, I'm still extremely excited when I see anything pop up on it on youtube. Thanks for giving it some time in the spotlight!
When that Nier music hit when talking about Mayuri's death... I got hit with the big sads all over again, and felt like punching a wall. F you Max, and I can't wait for your every future video.
"Nature abhors a vacuum, time abhors a rerun." If you missed the movie, make sure to watch it. Steins Gate has withstood the test of time and aged VERY well, compared to other top anime. It has always been my number 1, and I don't see it aging out of relevancy. Also, it has one of the truest good English dubs. These day I lament almost all English dubs, but this one was best in class for sure.
Leeroy Jenkins reference and they made the characters into stageplay nerds in the dub, yeah I'm sticking with the sub. It's a story filled with to the brim with Japanese pop/nerd-culture media and early to mid-2000s (Japanese) Internet references, I understand why they change these things, I just wouldn't want to miss them.
Steins;Gate is the most cerebral experience in media for me. No matter how much gibberish it has, no other media has spoken to me on so many levels. I'm only sad I can't experience it again. Many people did not enjoy Steins;Gate 0 but the reflection on dealing with loss was personally invaluable to me.
From what I've understood, the visual novel is even better and more expansive. As such, you might be able to experience it again if you've only seen the anime.
Can confirm, I played the VN after the anime already was my favourite and it was great. Though you probably need a guide to reach the ending the show has. Some of the other ones are... dark
Yeah, I feel the people who disliked 0's anime (me included) wouldn't have if they'd experienced its VN with all of the endings beforehand. They did their best to make a whole new continuity for the anime and make the already non-linear narrative a bit more understandable for viewers. I rewatched 0 a few days ago and realised that the anime is peak too once you have context from the VN. (I also just adore Messenger )
Steins;Gate 0 in visual novel form is great, but the adaptation was disappointing because of how the VN works. Either way 0 had some really goo anime only moments like the godly ep 8. I love 0, it makes me appreciate S;G even more.
Its not his consciousness that gets sent back in time, its his memories and only that, as Kurisu says in the manga: "The point to understand is that only memories are sent back. Not a person's personality or consciousness."
But personality is connected to memories not body. Unless personality and behaviour is in great effects from impulses and desires which are connected to the body...
well I think in the world of S;G memories do affect personality so in a way, you could say that personality is also sent back with your memories. we have been seeing the story from Okabe's perspective but let's talk about it from a different perspective. in a beta world-line where Okabe didn't send the d-mail about Kurisu to Daru, he continued living his life normally and non-chalantly like he was at the beginning, then suddenly on the 17th he looked in so much pain that he was about to cry, Mayuri comforted him and after that decided to seal away HK and destroy the phonewave, a clear contrast from how he was before he RSed into the beta world-line. then the events of SG0 anime happens where Okabe becomes a somewhat different person. he's more grown up and responsible but also self-centered and kind of an asshole. his older self was arrogant, non-chalant but also very kind and understanding. so in a way, his memories greatly affected his personality. There are other examples but I'm trying to avoid spoilers as much as I can.
Not exacttly. Kurisu says that during the final buiding phase yes, but practical application of the device instantly disproves this notion, and they never end up figuring out why.
what does personality and consciousness mean then . the ans for this question is what are memories , do u feel tham as if u have expeirenced them or would u just remember them and not feel like experiencing them . for example the guilt of killing an innocent ,if send back in time would the person receiving them feel like its him who did this and like that or did he just see it as his future versions memories cuz then he is clearly differentiating himself and future versions which means he got a new individuality even though he took the memory
Eh, they still do have the same personality because it's so close to each other. That's why it only works with 2-day intervals at most. Because only that way are the memories that get sent back and the brain that receives them "guaranteed" to be compatible.
Steins;Gate is possibly my favourite work of science fiction I've ever encountered. There is so much to be discussed, and yet there are little to no loose threads.
Same, the best sci-fi in any media since years, and I still can say it as a noob in philosophy (I'm rather more science-oriented). This show is so good that even my mom who doesn't fancy time travel themes liked Steins;Gate very much. It was the choice of Steins;Gate! El. Psy. Kongroo!
If you haven't seen it before, I highly recommend Dark. It's just as mind blowing and amazing as Steins;Gate. It starts off as a police drama about children going missing. There's parallels to the past where children go missing every 33 years. By the end of episode 2 you'll see what the show really is and it's so exciting cos you just know it's gonna be absolutely mental and end up binging it like mad
@@StandardCabrera You intrigued me, but I cannot search any anime named "Dark". Or isn't it anime? Could you provide the full title / say more? P.S. The summary you provided, it reminds me very much of another great anime titled "Monster." It's a legendary psychological thriller drama with many plot twist set in the Cold War Europe (mainly West and East Germany).
The fact that they literally quoted Heidegger only for me to read his works around 4 years after watching Steins;Gate gave me an odd realization of how I could've gone this far. Anyway, great video, I have just wondered whether Steins; Gate was inspired from Kantianism but turns out I have been proven wrong and I agree that Heideggerian fits better. It's just, comes to think about it, the time that isn't like a river means that it's essentially a network with the default configuration of AC/DC.
Order from Chaos, Chaos from Order, Such lovely music, Fate plays it, But we make the notes, We don't dance to the tune, We are the tune, There is no Fate but what we make, and a coin can land on its edge.
@DarkVeghetta I'm not a poet, but this does reflect some of my personal philosophy. The only certainty in the universe is that nothing is certain. Embrace Chaos, and create from it Order, that is the nature of the universe.
@@Epsilon-01And this uncertainty is what makes life.. life. If life was predictable and certain then it wouldn't be life. Not knowing whether the next part of your journey will be a chasm or a hill is what gives life its purpose. Maybe we could lead a certain life if we didn't have the emotions we have.
@muhammadabdullah2065 And I can not accept that, even if I should become machine in body, I will never sacrifice my emotions, such a thing is a step on the illogically inhuman path to perfection. He who seeks perfection knows nothing of life, and I lothe him with all that I am.
@@Epsilon-01 yeah emotions are what makes us humans. Emotions are life itself in a way. I reached a conclusion that if someone wants to become immortal he'll have to let go of his emotions bcz for me boredom itself is an emotion.
I was reminded of Minute Physics, who made a video on different ways pieces of fiction represent time travel, it reveals more subtle differences in the way time flows in them. "Time Travel in Fiction Rundown" it is called, I think it's a nice complement to anyone interested in fictional time travel.
This is easily one of your best videos, Max. I don’t even say that as a Steins;Gate fan (even though I am) - I say that as a fan of your videos. I think sometimes the media you discuss takes up a bit too much of the spotlight, rather than sharing it with the philosophy you want to discuss. In this video though, Steins;Gate was just a jumping off point for what was really being covered. Really captivating stuff.
Thank you. I finally understand a bit of Heidegger. Trying to read Being and Time is basically: "A being is a being whose being is being." Great video.
One aspect I didn’t see touched on in regards to Dasein is how Okabe used the time machine to objectively improve the lives of everyone around him, up to the point of Mayuri’s death. He tried to improve his immediate world first and foremost. Interestingly, he didn’t do all the greedy things you’d normally see in a time travel story. Though he DID try to rig himself as a lottery winner, he never attempted it again, and immediately began focusing on changing stuff for his friends. After that, every experiment he did was with the best interest of his friends in mind. But, that’s where the greed was. Now, none of these characters had BAD lives at the time he knew them per se, but they were close to what they believed were their ideal lives thanks to his his interventions. He gave Faris more time with her dad and Luka the chance to be a girl. The rug pull that happens there seems to challenge the Dasein philosophy by forcing Okabe to reconcile with his own selfishness and playing God by saving Mayuri and upending the wishes he granted for his friends and making them confront their own perceived selfishness. It’s a fascinating moral dilemma because though Okabe is saving a life in Mayuri, he is actively forcing others to go back to what they themselves believe are worse and subjecting Luka/Faris to pretty tough upbringings and tragedies. It was easy for Okabe to undo the death of Faris’ dad because he didn’t know them. He is not part of Okabe’s IMMEDIATE world, but is for Faris. It was easy for him to recent Luka, as he had no romantic interest in them. Him being forced to choose between Mayuri or Makise’s life brings the ugly truth to him, shoves it in his face, rubs his nose in it and then makes him EARN that happy ending. If you enjoyed this, I highly recommend reading/watching 0 as well. Good continuation of events where he chose not to try and save Makise again.
Canonically Okabe's setup, through a radio amplification via Mr. Braun's TV and access to CERN's artificial black hole, actually manages to send messages to the past Its not just mumbo jumbo, while a bit of a stretch
Also rakugo shinjuu. It's a bit more low key than either, but it hits just as hard and does all the legwork needed to have you learn more about each character with every watchthrough.
We trapping ourselves in an eternal time loop, getting terrified by our intrusive thoughts, and going back before time travel was a thing to hang out with our best friend's daughter with this one
Having recently played through a collab event Steins;Gate had with Neural Cloud, I found this video fascinating, as I think it added a good layer to the story with the addition of a secondary character that experience a similar ability to Okabe "Reading Steiner" being able to remember certain world lines, the story is similar to the anime, but under a different circumstances (being transported to a virtual world) and the main crux being switch (Okaba constant time resets being for Kurisu death instead of Mayuri) leading to an eventual finally where is that second character (the protagonist of the game) to put itself at risk for the well being of everyone he loves and the people of Okabe world which he only recently know, but feels the connection from the other world lines nonetheless, which also fit i think the Heideggerian idea, as hes a character that has multiples times show to always live in the present with the ones around him, to save and protect the people he cares about not worrying about his future as long as he can protect the now. Dunno, i just had that feel, the event made me tear up just like the anime did all those years ago so I'm glad to suddenly being able to understand more about this anime, i need to remwtch it again.
thanks, a video like this was taking too long to be brought up. I think about this since i was one of the few who was astonished that martin heidegger was quoted by name in the anime.
Steins Gate is one of my first anime ever and I love it even to this day. I don't know what but everything related to the time-travel discussed in the anime was flawless! I still can't believe Steins Gate came out in 2010. It's more than a decade old but extremely profound. It's a very memorable anime. What hooked me even more was that CERN was mentioned in the anime. And I actually googled it back then and it already existed by then but not fully unitilized. I adore animes that reference real-life objects, features and people. 🙏
I've been experiencing a lot of existential feelings lately, and some of this discussion was helpful in quelling some of the overwhelming anxiety for a bit
Was reccomended this anime by someone, right before they self_deleted. She left quite the hole in my existence, and every crumb she left behind of herself, endlessly maddening. The anime helped, still hurt like hell.
16:15 One of the "bad" endings in the visual novel is Okabe doing something like this. He gives up on saving Mayuri and just resorts to repeating the same day over and over so he doesn't have to live without her.
what I love of the microwave is that micriwaves was an accidental invention and that's why athors chose to use one in an accidental time machine invention, the story has so many good scince references in a really good plot I just love it
i may be a tad late but if you are going to rewatch, i suggest not to and instead read the visual novel the visual novel goes wayy more into depth about everything
I like to imagine to myself that Chiyomaru Shikura and Ryukishi07 are drinking buddies. Their stories explore very similar themes, and the music division of Shikura's company, MAGES. Inc, has created many songs for 07th Expansion over the years, with Shikura writing many of the songs himself. One gets the impression that there may be more than just a platonic business relationship between these two. Maybe something like a shared vision. Higurashi has a very similar struggle against fate as a central theme. Though it isn't so obvious from the beginning, it does become intensely compelling when the pieces start to come together. It's also much more psychologically focused compared to Steins;Gate. The first Science Adventure story, Chaos;Head, is much more psychological too, though its anime adaptation should be avoided. Steins;Gate is the one and only Science Adventure anime to have a good reputation, though of course the source material is always best. You may know Ryukishi as the guy who's writing the story for Silent Hill F. I wonder how that's going to turn out? There's already a ton of Higurashi and Steins;Gate fan content and analysis out there, which is great. But I think Chaos;Head really deserves more attention, especially since Steins;Gate wouldn't exist without it. When one of the earliest tooltips you get in the VN referenced Freud and Jung, I knew I was in for something special.
Max Derrat talks about Heidegger but Ruka is still a dude, Max Derrat talks about how Mayuri would be someone to start world war 3 over... but Ruka is still a dude, information gets sent over a mini black hole... but Ruka is still a dude, Krisutina should not have the tina and Ruka is still a dude.
i think one thing you got a little wrong is his excentric personality, which u then address as a persona. which is correct, but it was just that, a persona he put on to make mayuri laugh and forget about her trauma of losing her grandma. i dont believe he wasnt authentic at any point, i suppose it becomes harder to keep up when the stakes are being raised to literally saving her life
IIRC when Okabe switches world lines he doesn’t leave his old world and go to a parallel world. He just changes the existing world line or go to the past of his own world line. Not an alternate one. The "old" world line just becomes inactive. It doesn’t cease to exist or becomes a parallel world.
When I first saw Steins Gate, I had already been a fan of PBS Spacetime, so various notions of time, and the way traveling time could work, was already ingrained in my head.
Did anybody mention yet that Okabe did kill all the other timelines' verions of himself, when he repeatedly sent his self back into those other timelines, because at no point we are led to believe any other than his own present's mind survives the travel back through time to those other timelines
4:174:55 Apriory assumptions in philosophy... so "therefore I am" without the "I think" 5:55 "something thinks therefore I am" 6:54 Being there... 7:14 Oh damn 7:32 Ok the dub got one over the sub there 8:53 Hmm... 9:12 Hard to embody Dasein huh? 10:01 Oh I see... human beings not time haunted... 11:47 Oh, the comittee of 300 is the real secret, SERN is just CERN with an S. The comittee of 300 pops up in 13:4313:56 Honestly, having a grandsons personality myself... I can't blame him. 14:52 Mechanisms of fate... 15:20 Interesting 15:48 Okabe is a Tsundere... wouldn't have expected that honestly, it's kinda more attributed to... female characters in anime. 15:54 FR 16:3516:43 Yeah. Me when I confess to and use offcolor humour + delve into topics like how I've tried again and again past the point of hopelessness in places where one would be deemed stupid or unaware of what they were doing for having done so... 17:08 Oh true... 17:29 True 18:2418:35 Yeah 19:0719:1820:00 Reminds me of the end theme of Chaos; Head, "A will". The science adventure series well and truly is linked and characterized by that theme of will overcoming fate I think, although that's without taking into account the many alternate endings and routes in the visual novels. I've been recently thinking about how things would go if the deep suffering of one of the protagonists were put into a villain... sorta... if I faced similarly unbelievable circumstances that made my will stronger... made my 'delusions', my imaginary world, something realizable via sheer will. "God. The title suits me well" - Shodan.
This has probably been said before, but this video and your video on The Legacy of Kain made me realize that Okabe throughout the course of Steins;Gate becomes a positive kind of version of Kain. "Suppose you throw a coin enough times. Suppose one day, it lands on its edge." Suppose one day, you reach... Steins Gate.
I'm pretty sure being-toward-death isn't about dasein recognizing the fact that it *will* die as this is not a fact. Rather what dasein recognizes as a fact (at least as consistent with an ontic being that possesses facticity insofar as Heidegger describes facticity) is the possibility of dasein's not-being. In other words, being-toward-death makes Being an issue for dasein. Which is why dasein is being-toward-death because as heidegger defines dasein in setting up the question of Being (btw he stole dasein from Kant) dasein is the being-for-which-Being-is-an-issue. If dasein is not being-toward-death then dasein is not the being-for-which-Being-is-an-issue and therefore dasein is not aware of its being and dasein is inauthentic since authenticity is conditioned on dasein's recognition that its being is not rationally necessary. Hence, care is rooted in this recognition of the possibility of not-being so that being-as-such carries profound weight. Point is, so long as the MC in Steins;Gate does not cease to recognize the possibility of his not-being he can continue to care (being-with) his sister figure.
This video makes me think you would enjoy the Zero Escape series. I learned just recently that microwaves can theoretically travel back and forth in time. It finally makes sense in Steins Gate!
I like the idea from the 12 monkeys movie: the idea that time can’t be changed period and if you go back in time you will always fail to change the timeline to exactly as what it is and you are suppose to had gone back in time to make the present what it was:
the obvious draw of it to the general audience is "the feels" but the most impressive feat to me is that an anime visual novel game managed to do a time-travel story better than most visual media ever could.
Steins;Gate is one of my favorites. It dances on the line of if it's a Psychological horror or thriller. Everytime Okabe time jumps "worldline jumps", checks his phone and _transfers his consousness,_ he actually isn't transfering his consciousness, he is transferring his memorys and overwriting his old Chuunibyou mad scientist self with the memories of the Okabe we're following, but in a Worldline that hasn't exceeded a certain threshold. Such a great game and show. The narrative is so griping and so detached from reality, it masterfully has you feeling the existential dread and *lonelyness* as Okabe Rintorou, being the only man in the world, stuck in a horrific world's worst Groundhogs day because he figured out how to send his memories back in time. The horror of it is, Okabe is basically "saving his game" or "save scumming" essentially so _another Okabe_ can continue his battle, but the Okabe that initiated the phonewave timejump is still stuck in the bad predicament he "phonewaved out" only the narrative stops focusing on that "previous" Okabe. Bro Steins;Gate got me sounding like a mad scientist. 🙅♂️
Steins;Gate is a masterpiece. Fascinating perspective from Martin Heidegger. I learned about the concept of dasein from this video. Rintaro Okabe's time traveling dream turns into his ultimate nightmare when he unknowingly drags his friends and loved ones into SERN's machinations. Rintaro's road to save Mayuri from her death at the hands of SERN and fate is noble and not only for love, but to save an innocent because he was the ultimate cause of her death. Rintaro destroys himself by going back in time over and over to save Mayuri, who appears cursed to die. He makes some progress. Eventually, fate hands Rintaro a cruel choice between saving Mayuri or Kurisu. Which loved one deserves to live? Rintaro chooses the third way to suffer, to save everyone, and to overthrow fate. Rintaro imposed his will upon SERN, his world, and the world line. He had great friends to support him. He won at any personal cost. A superman. Or maybe, Rintaro became an ubermensch. Screw SERN. Spend billions on a collider and other fancy equipment. Imagine the look on their faces when some random people in Japan discovered time travel with a PC, flip phone, and microwave. They got spies everywhere. The elites killed Rintaro and Kurisu's dream of time travel. Sometimes, it makes you wonder who might be a spy or an assassin that will end your life when you step out of line. Your landlord? Your neighbor? Your coworker? Could be anyone.
Great video, it's always nice to hear about philosophy through the lens of media you enjoy, but hearing the phrase "The Japanese concept of 'Tsundere'" like it was some philosophical term made me laugh so hard
My favorite part had to be where a bunch of kids in a one-room flat took leaps and bounds past the accomplishments a full organization with all of the funding, equipment, personnel and national contracts in the world with a cellphone and a microwave. And they did it in days comparatively.
i love how the avengers bit in the beginning made me pause this to wonder how the fuck going into the past makes the future into the past, if you go back in time the past and present swap places because you are now in the past, assuming you can't change time then *the future is still the future regardless* and if you *can* change time then you have rewritten the future *while it is still the future* so at no point is the future really your past because if you're standing at 10 and walk to 5 that does not mean 20 is also now 5 and if you change the future so it doesn't happen the same way then that future doesn't happen so its not part of that timeline Edit: its kinda silly to think that not having a certain death ahead of you makes spending time with people less valuable, especially because you don't know what hardships will happen and if you will indeed fail or get caught of guard one day and after watching all of the video i think you might be interested in Witch On The Holy Night or Mahoyo as its often abbreviated
As someone with only cursory knowledge of the German existentialist movement & even less so with the mechanics of time travel, thank you for this editorial. It’s definitely put the show in a much richer context for me, & will likely spur a rewatch in the near future. I’m not usually one for offering recommendations in unrelated youtube videos, but if you’re still looking for a manga that deals heavily in existential themes, I’d definitely recommend Land of the Lustrous. It’s a post-human tale that only deals with sci-fi elements in a hazy, almost mythic sense, so if you real want deep lore & mechanics, there are better options out there. Instead, it’s a story about the ways people struggle to connect while undergoing through life’s changes, loosely framed around the Buddhist concept of the bodhisattva. If that sounds a bit heavy, I generally summarize the story as “What if the Ship of Theseus was a person?” Yeah, it goes places. The manga's just finished, while there’s an excellent anime adaptation of the first 30-40% of the story. No idea if more will be made. Mostly I just want more intelligent people checking out & discussing it, because I feel it’s pretty rich in terms of generating conversation.
13:40 You're having the cause and effect backwards here. It was because of Mayuri that Okabe started this "Hououin Kyouma" personality to cheer her up. He used it as an excuse to keep her in his life. The reason for his liking is simple enough. She's his childhood friend. 15:34 This is also the reason why he can't keep up the persona after her death. It was made for her, so why would he keep it if she's not there anymore? 18:24 If the series just stayed at him accepting it, that would still be a good story. Acceptance of a death is a universal experience and stories tackling that topic can hit hard. Even S;G 0 did the exact thing you're talking about.
The thing I love about Steins;Gate's time travel is that it's remarkably self consistent with its logic without it necessarily eating itself.
So most stuff is a oroboris 0?...
meta commentary?...,
because its time traval?...
@soccerandtrack10 I can't even begin to put together what you're trying to say
very good point.
The only stuff I don't like is "don't look at yourself or you will cause a time Paradoxon"
There is one major exception though. How accessing CERN's database and erasing all traces of the first D-mail that was accidentally sent somehow changed the timeline without the use of any time leap or D-mail on Okabe's part.
I started this video, and remembered that I never finished Steins;Gate, paused the video, watched all episodes, went back and watched the video
10/10
Now go play the SG0 VN. This is the choice of the Steins Gate. El Psy Kongroo
@@DiogenesTheCynic. does watching Steins Gate 0 anime also the choice of Stein's Gate?
@@A-SUSonly if u watch it before SG ep 23-24
@@Mikukuki1425 can be watched retroactively.
I was literally about to pause and go watch before I read this
Steins;Gate makes you feel stuff man
it does
Kurisu best girl
@@LuisSierra42 tru
That ending though
I...feel...
READING STEINEERRR!!!!
in the visual novel, if the player chooses not to help Suzuha and fix her time machine, Okabe willingly put himself in a time loop, where he spend the rest of Mayury's life hanging out with everyone and having fun, going cycling, going to the anime convention, and then after Mayury dies he does that again. and again. and again. and after a while he starts having weird thoughts.
what if i wouldn't worn Daru of that car and just let him get run over? he'll die, but then everything will go back to normal anyway.
I could be a jerk to everyone.
i could have my way with Mayuri, and there would be no repercussion.
and slowly he start loosing it. he no longer remembers why he goes through the loop, and he get stuck there.
until Suzuha approaches him one time. She says his expression is empty, and she concludes he's been time leaping. in order to help him she decides to take him with her using the time machine. Next time Okabe time leap, they don't go to the convention or to have fun, but fix the time machine, and in the end, he goes with Suzuha.
I hope I didn't misremembered anything. I felt this was relevant to the video.
Indeed that would be an scenario where the continued avoidance of death / lasting consequences would whittle away at a person's humanity.
This is one of the visual novel endings. I got the same, first time.
Iirc he considered having his way with Suzuha, not Mayuri.
@@Reality-Distortion I knew I misremembered somethings...
@@Reality-Distortion which is kinda funny because Suzuha would absolutely kick his scrawny ass.
2:55 The point about the "ridiculous method" in Steins;Gate is that, in fact, any representation of time travel device is ridiculous in concept, whether is a car, a man-built machine, or a bathtub. Steins;Gate did not waste time explaining that so it could focus on the important aspects of the history, characters, and plot from the start. The impact we have when the first time travel happens is incredible because you spend a lot of time with the characters in the Alpha timeline before even realizing it. So a microwave and a cell phone would do as a device to make the jumps between Alpha, Steins, and Beta. A microwave with a cell phone it is not more ridiculous than a car running at 88 miles per hour. El Psy Congroo.
The thing is, that microwave is less ridiluous than most other time travel device in other media.
Why? because the cellphone and micropawave isnt the time travel device there, its the CERN particle accelerator's that produce a miniblackhole, yea i know cern in IRL and in steins gate is different, in steins gates, they manage to make mini blackhole since early 2000s.
The cellphone is only there because they found and a bug that let them send a bit of information to the particle accelerator.
Hence thru out the shows, sometimes they failed to do time leap.
In Steins Gate Zero, its even more clearer, they just use smartphone to send the massage instead. Same still sending it thru particle accelerator.
@@aoikishi99 Slightly incorrect here. The D-Mails work just with the cellphone+microwave.
Now, the Time Leap machine is the one that requires the SERN LHC to compress all the data for Okabe to actually go back in time x amount of hours.
No the phone wave works using the microwave, phone and the CRT tv downstairs that all work together to make mini black holes. It doesn't work unless the CRT tv in on
I have to give you utmost commendation for this video, Mr. Derrat. I am a philosophy major in college, as well of a fan of Heidegger’s work, and I must admit that I was rather shocked to see a video on a popular anime even dare to MENTION a philosopher as intimidating and abstruse as Heidegger. I think videos like this are incredibly valuable, not only because of their entertainment value as individual works, but because they allow an entry point for people into more intimidating intellectual subjects, which are usually rendered completely alien to average people. I know that some people believe that complex philosophy shouldn’t be attached to mere popular media, as they’re afraid of “diluting” the works and their messages, but I believe that doing so is excellent for getting more people interested. A fantastic work to be sure, and I can’t wait to see what else you’ll make!
Dude, thank you so much for this comment. You literally made my week.
Yep, this channel got me into psychology and existential questions. I am a big fan, I started reading Jung because of all the videos.
You interpreted my thoughts in the best possible way
Kind of a patronizing way to think about Heidegger’s work, no?
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@@maxderrat
El. Psy. Kongroo.
Best moment in the game and in the show. If you know, you know.
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Is it Congroo or Kongroo? I’ve always pronounced it as Congroo.
@@blackreaperkaneki9900 Several translations write it as Congroo, but if you pay attention to the email from future Okabe you can see it is from an address called "sg-epk", which clearly means "Steins Gate - El Psy Kongroo"
@@blackreaperkaneki9900 it's kinda like both, in the Visual Novel it's called El Psy Kongroo with a k that is why when Okabe received a d-mail from his future self its called epk(el psy kongroo), while in the anime it's subtitled as El Psy Congroo with a C.
I loved that one dialogue between Okabe and Kurisu. He asks her if she wants to send a message the the past and correct some mistake of her. She just says "The mistakes I've made define who I am today. I would not want to change any of my past."
Literally just finished this VN so correction at 12:00: SERN's Rounders don't want to kill Okabe, Daru, and Kurisu, but to enslave them to finish SERN's time machine. They deem Mayuri as expendable, hence exposing the point of 'convergence' in each of the divergences.
EDIT: Steins;Gate invites me to read the other Science Adventure series.
Tbh the other series werent all too interesting. While i did only watch the animes chaos head/child and robotics notes werent that fun.
@@jksupergamer the other Animes are pretty bad adaptations, so your opinion is irrelevant to the actual Visual Novels
@@bluestrawberry679 so how do they fare compared to steins gate?
@@jksupergamer Well, I think they're good. But they are all different from Steins; Gate in some ways, so I can't promise that someone is guaranteed to like them based on liking Steins; Gate. I would say, that if you like Steins; Gate, I think it would be a good idea to try some of the other Visual Novels, to see if they're to your liking. Not the animes though. The Anime for Chaos; Head in particular has numerous flaws, especially since it's only 12 Episode, and you simply can't really properly tell the story in that time.
I'll posit a thought experiment to you: What do you think the reason for Mayuri's guaranteed death is? What 'cause' happened on the Alpha worldline that would have the 'effect' of Mayuri dying no matter what?
I am so excited to hear people's answers to this.
Steins gate is consistent with its own rules. Even if the microwave cellphone is gibberish
Not even that much in the visual novel. A huge chunk of the early story is basically physics lectures as they're trying to figure things out. I actually looked up a lot of the concepts presentet there and it is very close to reality
its not gibberish, it works
@@roywempor8395 make me one then, I need one
It's not gibberish if it works. **Put smartphone and bananas in microwave** Just watc-
@@gilroyscopa yes exactly, it's crazy how in depth the vn goes even into explaining the microwave phone mechanics, it genuinely isn't just gibberish
I highly recommend anyone who likes steins;gate anime to go and read the vn
Btw it is implied by the writer that Okabe replayed Mayuri's last hours for over 100 years, leading to his numbness and other intrusive thoughts playing out in some VN only scenarios.
Also, one of the other spin-off visual novels played a scenario where Okabe was so mind broken from trying to save Mayuri, he gave up saving her and just pretends she never died and hallucinates interactions with her for over a year. This inaction and surrender causes one of the many worldlines that leads to the Alpha line Dystopian future.
When I have to look up what the word Heideggerian means you know it's going to be a good video. Also "Time Haunted" is pretty metal sounding.
the funny thing about steins gate is that the time travel is the least compelling part, and not because it isn't good. on the contracy, it's great but everything else is just so well done.
contrary
The time travel is so good that it is almost trivial.
It's a really well-crafted story for how the time travel is truly just a vehicle for the character exploration, in contrast to stories where the characters seem to exist only as an excuse to show off the time travel (or other fantastical world mechanic).
Perhaps on the contrary, it was because the time travel part is so well put together that everything else can shine in the best way. Like how good 3DCG is unnoticable but props up the suspension of disbelief in animation.
Reminds me of Kain's attempt to try long enough until "the coin lands on its edge"
I was going to mention this very thing. I need to look at Derrat's backlog and see if he covered Legacy of Kain.
@@ShadowCthulhuHe did two videos about it
@@KeitrenGraves Thank, I just watched one of them.
Fine, fine, fine! You guys convinced me, I'm playing it. Everyone always goes on about the "greatest time travel plot ever", and I'm a sucker for this trope. I've already researched the best versions of the chronology.
@@DavidPereiraLima123 Legacy of Kain or Steins Gate?
"Start world war 3 to avenge her death" Heh, I see what you did there.
huh?
What did Max do?
@@jackalope2302It's a reference. One of the other realities that Okabe struggles against is one where WW3 happens.
I think this was Okabes line.
@@dorkmoonblade4315 ok. Been a while since I saw it last.
So many years after watching this anime, I'm still extremely excited when I see anything pop up on it on youtube. Thanks for giving it some time in the spotlight!
When that Nier music hit when talking about Mayuri's death... I got hit with the big sads all over again, and felt like punching a wall. F you Max, and I can't wait for your every future video.
Max: May I take your order, sir?
Menu: Big Sad. Extra Big Sad. Spicy Sad. Sad Deluxe. Iced Sad. ...
"Nature abhors a vacuum, time abhors a rerun."
If you missed the movie, make sure to watch it. Steins Gate has withstood the test of time and aged VERY well, compared to other top anime. It has always been my number 1, and I don't see it aging out of relevancy. Also, it has one of the truest good English dubs. These day I lament almost all English dubs, but this one was best in class for sure.
Agree on the dub for sure
Leeroy Jenkins reference and they made the characters into stageplay nerds in the dub, yeah I'm sticking with the sub.
It's a story filled with to the brim with Japanese pop/nerd-culture media and early to mid-2000s (Japanese) Internet references, I understand why they change these things, I just wouldn't want to miss them.
Steins;Gate is the most cerebral experience in media for me. No matter how much gibberish it has, no other media has spoken to me on so many levels. I'm only sad I can't experience it again. Many people did not enjoy Steins;Gate 0 but the reflection on dealing with loss was personally invaluable to me.
From what I've understood, the visual novel is even better and more expansive. As such, you might be able to experience it again if you've only seen the anime.
Can confirm, I played the VN after the anime already was my favourite and it was great. Though you probably need a guide to reach the ending the show has. Some of the other ones are... dark
@@DarkVeghetta sadly I played it first.
Yeah, I feel the people who disliked 0's anime (me included) wouldn't have if they'd experienced its VN with all of the endings beforehand. They did their best to make a whole new continuity for the anime and make the already non-linear narrative a bit more understandable for viewers. I rewatched 0 a few days ago and realised that the anime is peak too once you have context from the VN. (I also just adore Messenger )
Steins;Gate 0 in visual novel form is great, but the adaptation was disappointing because of how the VN works. Either way 0 had some really goo anime only moments like the godly ep 8. I love 0, it makes me appreciate S;G even more.
Its not his consciousness that gets sent back in time, its his memories and only that, as Kurisu says in the manga: "The point to understand is that only memories are sent back. Not a person's personality or consciousness."
But personality is connected to memories not body. Unless personality and behaviour is in great effects from impulses and desires which are connected to the body...
well I think in the world of S;G memories do affect personality so in a way, you could say that personality is also sent back with your memories.
we have been seeing the story from Okabe's perspective but let's talk about it from a different perspective.
in a beta world-line where Okabe didn't send the d-mail about Kurisu to Daru, he continued living his life normally and non-chalantly like he was at the beginning, then suddenly on the 17th he looked in so much pain that he was about to cry, Mayuri comforted him and after that decided to seal away HK and destroy the phonewave, a clear contrast from how he was before he RSed into the beta world-line. then the events of SG0 anime happens where Okabe becomes a somewhat different person. he's more grown up and responsible but also self-centered and kind of an asshole. his older self was arrogant, non-chalant but also very kind and understanding.
so in a way, his memories greatly affected his personality. There are other examples but I'm trying to avoid spoilers as much as I can.
Not exacttly. Kurisu says that during the final buiding phase yes, but practical application of the device instantly disproves this notion, and they never end up figuring out why.
what does personality and consciousness mean then . the ans for this question is what are memories , do u feel tham as if u have expeirenced them or would u just remember them and not feel like experiencing them . for example the guilt of killing an innocent ,if send back in time would the person receiving them feel like its him who did this and like that or did he just see it as his future versions memories cuz then he is clearly differentiating himself and future versions which means he got a new individuality even though he took the memory
Eh, they still do have the same personality because it's so close to each other. That's why it only works with 2-day intervals at most. Because only that way are the memories that get sent back and the brain that receives them "guaranteed" to be compatible.
I just rewatched this series, in the correct order and it's AMAZING you just uploaded this video! Just in time for me!
Steins;Gate is possibly my favourite work of science fiction I've ever encountered. There is so much to be discussed, and yet there are little to no loose threads.
Same, the best sci-fi in any media since years, and I still can say it as a noob in philosophy (I'm rather more science-oriented). This show is so good that even my mom who doesn't fancy time travel themes liked Steins;Gate very much. It was the choice of Steins;Gate! El. Psy. Kongroo!
If you haven't seen it before, I highly recommend Dark. It's just as mind blowing and amazing as Steins;Gate. It starts off as a police drama about children going missing. There's parallels to the past where children go missing every 33 years. By the end of episode 2 you'll see what the show really is and it's so exciting cos you just know it's gonna be absolutely mental and end up binging it like mad
@@StandardCabrera You intrigued me, but I cannot search any anime named "Dark". Or isn't it anime? Could you provide the full title / say more?
P.S. The summary you provided, it reminds me very much of another great anime titled "Monster." It's a legendary psychological thriller drama with many plot twist set in the Cold War Europe (mainly West and East Germany).
The fact that they literally quoted Heidegger only for me to read his works around 4 years after watching Steins;Gate gave me an odd realization of how I could've gone this far. Anyway, great video, I have just wondered whether Steins; Gate was inspired from Kantianism but turns out I have been proven wrong and I agree that Heideggerian fits better. It's just, comes to think about it, the time that isn't like a river means that it's essentially a network with the default configuration of AC/DC.
"We must rewrite the ending of it... Suppose you throw a coin enough times. Suppose one day, it lands on its edge." - Kain
Man, from the deep of my heart, thank you. this is amazing
Order from Chaos, Chaos from Order, Such lovely music, Fate plays it, But we make the notes, We don't dance to the tune, We are the tune, There is no Fate but what we make, and a coin can land on its edge.
I understood that last reference. Also, this would work better if it was in poem format, but it was lovely regardless.
@DarkVeghetta I'm not a poet, but this does reflect some of my personal philosophy. The only certainty in the universe is that nothing is certain. Embrace Chaos, and create from it Order, that is the nature of the universe.
@@Epsilon-01And this uncertainty is what makes life.. life. If life was predictable and certain then it wouldn't be life. Not knowing whether the next part of your journey will be a chasm or a hill is what gives life its purpose. Maybe we could lead a certain life if we didn't have the emotions we have.
@muhammadabdullah2065 And I can not accept that, even if I should become machine in body, I will never sacrifice my emotions, such a thing is a step on the illogically inhuman path to perfection. He who seeks perfection knows nothing of life, and I lothe him with all that I am.
@@Epsilon-01 yeah emotions are what makes us humans. Emotions are life itself in a way. I reached a conclusion that if someone wants to become immortal he'll have to let go of his emotions bcz for me boredom itself is an emotion.
I've always been interested in this anime, thank you for the amazing content!
Saw the video, immediately watched the anime, now I am back, I AM MAD SCIENTIST SUNUVABICH
El. Psy. Congroo.
18:47 Where does Fate/Determinism fit into the Fate franchise?
I was reminded of Minute Physics, who made a video on different ways pieces of fiction represent time travel, it reveals more subtle differences in the way time flows in them. "Time Travel in Fiction Rundown" it is called, I think it's a nice complement to anyone interested in fictional time travel.
@12:59 Cinematic Masterpiece
13:25 Okabe actually does unintentionally cause WW3.
This is easily one of your best videos, Max. I don’t even say that as a Steins;Gate fan (even though I am) - I say that as a fan of your videos. I think sometimes the media you discuss takes up a bit too much of the spotlight, rather than sharing it with the philosophy you want to discuss. In this video though, Steins;Gate was just a jumping off point for what was really being covered. Really captivating stuff.
Thanks mate. You rock!
Thank you. I finally understand a bit of Heidegger. Trying to read Being and Time is basically: "A being is a being whose being is being."
Great video.
Thank you for covering this show, I first watched it in middle school and I’ll never forget it
One aspect I didn’t see touched on in regards to Dasein is how Okabe used the time machine to objectively improve the lives of everyone around him, up to the point of Mayuri’s death. He tried to improve his immediate world first and foremost. Interestingly, he didn’t do all the greedy things you’d normally see in a time travel story. Though he DID try to rig himself as a lottery winner, he never attempted it again, and immediately began focusing on changing stuff for his friends. After that, every experiment he did was with the best interest of his friends in mind. But, that’s where the greed was.
Now, none of these characters had BAD lives at the time he knew them per se, but they were close to what they believed were their ideal lives thanks to his his interventions. He gave Faris more time with her dad and Luka the chance to be a girl.
The rug pull that happens there seems to challenge the Dasein philosophy by forcing Okabe to reconcile with his own selfishness and playing God by saving Mayuri and upending the wishes he granted for his friends and making them confront their own perceived selfishness. It’s a fascinating moral dilemma because though Okabe is saving a life in Mayuri, he is actively forcing others to go back to what they themselves believe are worse and subjecting Luka/Faris to pretty tough upbringings and tragedies. It was easy for Okabe to undo the death of Faris’ dad because he didn’t know them. He is not part of Okabe’s IMMEDIATE world, but is for Faris. It was easy for him to recent Luka, as he had no romantic interest in them. Him being forced to choose between Mayuri or Makise’s life brings the ugly truth to him, shoves it in his face, rubs his nose in it and then makes him EARN that happy ending.
If you enjoyed this, I highly recommend reading/watching 0 as well. Good continuation of events where he chose not to try and save Makise again.
that soul reaver 2 soundtrack in the background, great choice in the theme of time travel
Wanted to comment that 😂. Also I have the urge to watch soul reaver cutscenes and orgasmic dialogue once again
Do you know by any chance what is the name of the track? Cause i tried checking the full ost and i could not find the one playing here
m.th-cam.com/video/FCvKSAb8_CM/w-d-xo.html
@@HeaRtllesSs I'm surprised but apparently it's souls reaver 2 pillar battle theme
@@theflashgordon193 Thanks , do you know maybe which one is playing at 5:00 till 6:00 ?
Canonically Okabe's setup, through a radio amplification via Mr. Braun's TV and access to CERN's artificial black hole, actually manages to send messages to the past
Its not just mumbo jumbo, while a bit of a stretch
The visual novel is even more fleshed out in its time travel theory
Thank you so much for doing a video on this
Thank you for taking time out of your day to watch, David!
Heidegger is one of the most difficult thinkers to read and understand
9:27 The Talos Principle music, i see you have great taste Max
Petition for Max to watch "From the New World" and "Land of the Lustrous" next. Great video again!
read* houseki no kuni. anime doesn't cover enough to yield a video from Max. but regarding shinsekai yori, 100% anime over manga
Also rakugo shinjuu. It's a bit more low key than either, but it hits just as hard and does all the legwork needed to have you learn more about each character with every watchthrough.
17:27 that's almost the plot to Steins;Gate0, better start watching, Max! ;D
I'm so glad one of my favorite TH-camrs made a video about this usually it's an obscure TH-camr.
You are goated for using Talos Principle OST
Steins;Gate is my favourite piece of fiction i am really happy YOU made a video about it.
We trapping ourselves in an eternal time loop, getting terrified by our intrusive thoughts, and going back before time travel was a thing to hang out with our best friend's daughter with this one
this is a masterpiece work of media commentary
I’m so glad you finally watched steins gate. I’ve been posting comments asking you to watch for years
Having recently played through a collab event Steins;Gate had with Neural Cloud, I found this video fascinating, as I think it added a good layer to the story with the addition of a secondary character that experience a similar ability to Okabe "Reading Steiner" being able to remember certain world lines, the story is similar to the anime, but under a different circumstances (being transported to a virtual world) and the main crux being switch (Okaba constant time resets being for Kurisu death instead of Mayuri) leading to an eventual finally where is that second character (the protagonist of the game) to put itself at risk for the well being of everyone he loves and the people of Okabe world which he only recently know, but feels the connection from the other world lines nonetheless, which also fit i think the Heideggerian idea, as hes a character that has multiples times show to always live in the present with the ones around him, to save and protect the people he cares about not worrying about his future as long as he can protect the now.
Dunno, i just had that feel, the event made me tear up just like the anime did all those years ago so I'm glad to suddenly being able to understand more about this anime, i need to remwtch it again.
As always, fantastic video Max. Thank you.
thanks, a video like this was taking too long to be brought up. I think about this since i was one of the few who was astonished that martin heidegger was quoted by name in the anime.
Informative as always.
Steins Gate is one of my first anime ever and I love it even to this day.
I don't know what but everything related to the time-travel discussed in the anime was flawless! I still can't believe Steins Gate came out in 2010. It's more than a decade old but extremely profound.
It's a very memorable anime. What hooked me even more was that CERN was mentioned in the anime. And I actually googled it back then and it already existed by then but not fully unitilized. I adore animes that reference real-life objects, features and people. 🙏
Make sure to google more about ”John Titor” if you havent :) !
@@jonttu8848 Funny, but I actually had googled him 😀
@@ben-taobeneton3945 Awesome, its great to see that people still talk about this anime
hey you posted this on the day heidegger died
I've been experiencing a lot of existential feelings lately, and some of this discussion was helpful in quelling some of the overwhelming anxiety for a bit
Alright, *_fine,_* I'll watch Steins;Gate again.
Was reccomended this anime by someone, right before they self_deleted. She left quite the hole in my existence, and every crumb she left behind of herself, endlessly maddening. The anime helped, still hurt like hell.
Sorry to hear that 🫂 hope it gets better
😢
Sorry for your loss man :/
I'm sorry to hear that, man...
I love how Tuturu evolves from funny character trait to something traumatizing
This video was awesome. Steins;Gate made me feel so many different emotions but it was beautiful. A new favorite for me.
Okabe rintaro 🤝 Red Lotus
If you get it you get it
16:15 One of the "bad" endings in the visual novel is Okabe doing something like this. He gives up on saving Mayuri and just resorts to repeating the same day over and over so he doesn't have to live without her.
so beautiful man!! you're a curious human, i wish i had a friend like you
Not only do I love the Worldline concept but I love the way the characters interact with that concept
Never stop Max , you’re the man
what I love of the microwave is that micriwaves was an accidental invention and that's why athors chose to use one in an accidental time machine invention, the story has so many good scince references in a really good plot I just love it
Thank you for giving me more reasons too love this show. Might have to rewatch it yet again, I wonder what else I could have not picked up on.
i may be a tad late but
if you are going to rewatch, i suggest not to and instead read the visual novel
the visual novel goes wayy more into depth about everything
I like to imagine to myself that Chiyomaru Shikura and Ryukishi07 are drinking buddies.
Their stories explore very similar themes, and the music division of Shikura's company, MAGES. Inc, has created many songs for 07th Expansion over the years, with Shikura writing many of the songs himself. One gets the impression that there may be more than just a platonic business relationship between these two. Maybe something like a shared vision.
Higurashi has a very similar struggle against fate as a central theme. Though it isn't so obvious from the beginning, it does become intensely compelling when the pieces start to come together. It's also much more psychologically focused compared to Steins;Gate. The first Science Adventure story, Chaos;Head, is much more psychological too, though its anime adaptation should be avoided. Steins;Gate is the one and only Science Adventure anime to have a good reputation, though of course the source material is always best.
You may know Ryukishi as the guy who's writing the story for Silent Hill F.
I wonder how that's going to turn out?
There's already a ton of Higurashi and Steins;Gate fan content and analysis out there, which is great. But I think Chaos;Head really deserves more attention, especially since Steins;Gate wouldn't exist without it. When one of the earliest tooltips you get in the VN referenced Freud and Jung, I knew I was in for something special.
This is a very interesting take. I would not put it past Ki-- Ryukishi-sensei.
Man said Sunday instead of Tsundere. A true madlad.
Max Derrat talks about Heidegger but Ruka is still a dude, Max Derrat talks about how Mayuri would be someone to start world war 3 over... but Ruka is still a dude, information gets sent over a mini black hole... but Ruka is still a dude, Krisutina should not have the tina and Ruka is still a dude.
….smash
But is he _really?_ Let's find out-
(don't worry. I'll take one for the team)
Thank you for making me want to rewatch steins gate for the 5th time in my life
Subscribed. I couldnt stop watching.
Dude how are you making these videos so frequently? The thought process and editing time..damn. all bangers
May 26th 2024 I was watching Max Derrat talk about Steins;Gate. How about you?
Same
March 30 2036
June 26th 2024
Some day some month 16000 BC
@@ultimaxkom8728 damn, I cannot compete with that.
12:54 not even Max Derrat is safe from the obsession of TUTTURU
i think one thing you got a little wrong is his excentric personality, which u then address as a persona. which is correct, but it was just that, a persona he put on to make mayuri laugh and forget about her trauma of losing her grandma. i dont believe he wasnt authentic at any point, i suppose it becomes harder to keep up when the stakes are being raised to literally saving her life
IIRC when Okabe switches world lines he doesn’t leave his old world and go to a parallel world. He just changes the existing world line or go to the past of his own world line. Not an alternate one. The "old" world line just becomes inactive. It doesn’t cease to exist or becomes a parallel world.
When I first saw Steins Gate, I had already been a fan of PBS Spacetime, so various notions of time, and the way traveling time could work, was already ingrained in my head.
Did anybody mention yet that Okabe did kill all the other timelines' verions of himself, when he repeatedly sent his self back into those other timelines, because at no point we are led to believe any other than his own present's mind survives the travel back through time to those other timelines
4:17 4:55 Apriory assumptions in philosophy... so "therefore I am" without the "I think" 5:55 "something thinks therefore I am" 6:54 Being there... 7:14 Oh damn 7:32 Ok the dub got one over the sub there 8:53 Hmm... 9:12 Hard to embody Dasein huh? 10:01 Oh I see... human beings not time haunted... 11:47 Oh, the comittee of 300 is the real secret, SERN is just CERN with an S. The comittee of 300 pops up in
13:43 13:56 Honestly, having a grandsons personality myself... I can't blame him. 14:52 Mechanisms of fate... 15:20 Interesting 15:48 Okabe is a Tsundere... wouldn't have expected that honestly, it's kinda more attributed to... female characters in anime. 15:54 FR 16:35 16:43 Yeah. Me when I confess to and use offcolor humour + delve into topics like how I've tried again and again past the point of hopelessness in places where one would be deemed stupid or unaware of what they were doing for having done so... 17:08 Oh true... 17:29 True 18:24 18:35 Yeah 19:07 19:18 20:00 Reminds me of the end theme of Chaos; Head, "A will". The science adventure series well and truly is linked and characterized by that theme of will overcoming fate I think, although that's without taking into account the many alternate endings and routes in the visual novels. I've been recently thinking about how things would go if the deep suffering of one of the protagonists were put into a villain... sorta... if I faced similarly unbelievable circumstances that made my will stronger... made my 'delusions', my imaginary world, something realizable via sheer will. "God. The title suits me well" - Shodan.
This has probably been said before, but this video and your video on The Legacy of Kain made me realize that Okabe throughout the course of Steins;Gate becomes a positive kind of version of Kain.
"Suppose you throw a coin enough times. Suppose one day, it lands on its edge."
Suppose one day, you reach...
Steins Gate.
The 20th century fox gag had me do a spit take... well played
I'm pretty sure being-toward-death isn't about dasein recognizing the fact that it *will* die as this is not a fact. Rather what dasein recognizes as a fact (at least as consistent with an ontic being that possesses facticity insofar as Heidegger describes facticity) is the possibility of dasein's not-being. In other words, being-toward-death makes Being an issue for dasein. Which is why dasein is being-toward-death because as heidegger defines dasein in setting up the question of Being (btw he stole dasein from Kant) dasein is the being-for-which-Being-is-an-issue. If dasein is not being-toward-death then dasein is not the being-for-which-Being-is-an-issue and therefore dasein is not aware of its being and dasein is inauthentic since authenticity is conditioned on dasein's recognition that its being is not rationally necessary. Hence, care is rooted in this recognition of the possibility of not-being so that being-as-such carries profound weight. Point is, so long as the MC in Steins;Gate does not cease to recognize the possibility of his not-being he can continue to care (being-with) his sister figure.
This video makes me think you would enjoy the Zero Escape series.
I learned just recently that microwaves can theoretically travel back and forth in time. It finally makes sense in Steins Gate!
16:29 when we discovered the meaning of death we understand the meaning of life.
I like the idea from the 12 monkeys movie: the idea that time can’t be changed period and if you go back in time you will always fail to change the timeline to exactly as what it is and you are suppose to had gone back in time to make the present what it was:
the obvious draw of it to the general audience is "the feels" but the most impressive feat to me is that an anime visual novel game managed to do a time-travel story better than most visual media ever could.
The more options you have, the less satisfied you will be.
Time travel is the epitome of infinite options and empty victories.
I always knew CERN was malicious
Is it about only anime, or one of the best things ever - original Visual Novel?
vn is better
@@anomitas That's what he said.
@@TheWolfgangGrimmer yeah so
Steins;Gate is one of my favorites. It dances on the line of if it's a Psychological horror or thriller.
Everytime Okabe time jumps "worldline jumps", checks his phone and _transfers his consousness,_ he actually isn't transfering his consciousness, he is transferring his memorys and overwriting his old Chuunibyou mad scientist self with the memories of the Okabe we're following, but in a Worldline that hasn't exceeded a certain threshold. Such a great game and show. The narrative is so griping and so detached from reality, it masterfully has you feeling the existential dread and *lonelyness* as Okabe Rintorou, being the only man in the world, stuck in a horrific world's worst Groundhogs day because he figured out how to send his memories back in time. The horror of it is, Okabe is basically "saving his game" or "save scumming" essentially so _another Okabe_ can continue his battle, but the Okabe that initiated the phonewave timejump is still stuck in the bad predicament he "phonewaved out" only the narrative stops focusing on that "previous" Okabe.
Bro Steins;Gate got me sounding like a mad scientist. 🙅♂️
I need to rewatch this, but I don't want to cry again
Steins;Gate is a masterpiece. Fascinating perspective from Martin Heidegger. I learned about the concept of dasein from this video.
Rintaro Okabe's time traveling dream turns into his ultimate nightmare when he unknowingly drags his friends and loved ones into SERN's machinations. Rintaro's road to save Mayuri from her death at the hands of SERN and fate is noble and not only for love, but to save an innocent because he was the ultimate cause of her death. Rintaro destroys himself by going back in time over and over to save Mayuri, who appears cursed to die. He makes some progress. Eventually, fate hands Rintaro a cruel choice between saving Mayuri or Kurisu. Which loved one deserves to live? Rintaro chooses the third way to suffer, to save everyone, and to overthrow fate. Rintaro imposed his will upon SERN, his world, and the world line. He had great friends to support him. He won at any personal cost. A superman. Or maybe, Rintaro became an ubermensch.
Screw SERN. Spend billions on a collider and other fancy equipment. Imagine the look on their faces when some random people in Japan discovered time travel with a PC, flip phone, and microwave. They got spies everywhere. The elites killed Rintaro and Kurisu's dream of time travel. Sometimes, it makes you wonder who might be a spy or an assassin that will end your life when you step out of line. Your landlord? Your neighbor? Your coworker? Could be anyone.
Great video, it's always nice to hear about philosophy through the lens of media you enjoy, but hearing the phrase "The Japanese concept of 'Tsundere'" like it was some philosophical term made me laugh so hard
My favorite part had to be where a bunch of kids in a one-room flat took leaps and bounds past the accomplishments a full organization with all of the funding, equipment, personnel and national contracts in the world with a cellphone and a microwave. And they did it in days comparatively.
i love how the avengers bit in the beginning made me pause this to wonder how the fuck going into the past makes the future into the past, if you go back in time the past and present swap places because you are now in the past, assuming you can't change time then *the future is still the future regardless* and if you *can* change time then you have rewritten the future *while it is still the future* so at no point is the future really your past because if you're standing at 10 and walk to 5 that does not mean 20 is also now 5 and if you change the future so it doesn't happen the same way then that future doesn't happen so its not part of that timeline
Edit: its kinda silly to think that not having a certain death ahead of you makes spending time with people less valuable, especially because you don't know what hardships will happen and if you will indeed fail or get caught of guard one day
and after watching all of the video i think you might be interested in Witch On The Holy Night or Mahoyo as its often abbreviated
Really unexpected twist on a steins ; gate analysis nice
Nice el psy congroo
As someone with only cursory knowledge of the German existentialist movement & even less so with the mechanics of time travel, thank you for this editorial. It’s definitely put the show in a much richer context for me, & will likely spur a rewatch in the near future.
I’m not usually one for offering recommendations in unrelated youtube videos, but if you’re still looking for a manga that deals heavily in existential themes, I’d definitely recommend Land of the Lustrous. It’s a post-human tale that only deals with sci-fi elements in a hazy, almost mythic sense, so if you real want deep lore & mechanics, there are better options out there.
Instead, it’s a story about the ways people struggle to connect while undergoing through life’s changes, loosely framed around the Buddhist concept of the bodhisattva. If that sounds a bit heavy, I generally summarize the story as “What if the Ship of Theseus was a person?” Yeah, it goes places.
The manga's just finished, while there’s an excellent anime adaptation of the first 30-40% of the story. No idea if more will be made. Mostly I just want more intelligent people checking out & discussing it, because I feel it’s pretty rich in terms of generating conversation.
13:40 You're having the cause and effect backwards here. It was because of Mayuri that Okabe started this "Hououin Kyouma" personality to cheer her up. He used it as an excuse to keep her in his life. The reason for his liking is simple enough. She's his childhood friend.
15:34 This is also the reason why he can't keep up the persona after her death. It was made for her, so why would he keep it if she's not there anymore?
18:24 If the series just stayed at him accepting it, that would still be a good story. Acceptance of a death is a universal experience and stories tackling that topic can hit hard. Even S;G 0 did the exact thing you're talking about.