NEW LEGO Powered Up motor VS LEGO Power Functions motor
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- How does the new LEGO Powered Up motor stacks against the existing PF motor? What are the differences? What is new? Will the hamster eat the cable? Check out now ;)
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Older system is obviously superior, they should have kept this system and just made better motors, expanding their existing PF line would have been better.
Yep, they should've just added a Bluetooth reciever to the old ones
@@Harry-cxx That would mean no sensors and you could not rotate the motors to certain degress.
@@Larry98 There's already 2 additional lines vs just ground and 9V in PF, and WeDo originally used PF, so it was 100% possible for them to do it.
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I agree with
I have an power functions m motor
But they stopped making them so i cant buy more of those motors
Power functions is superior
Non stackable plugs are a dealbreaker for me when it comes to the new system
Non-stackable plugs and the use of bluetooth is the dealbreaker for me.
The Power Functions system works great so I won't be upgrading to Powered Up
so, BuWizz and SBrick are still on the ride :)
BuWizz and SBrick aren't made by LEGO, if a model contains non-LEGO parts (except batteries), it ain't LEGO, plain and simple. Not to mention that one has to use a "smartphone" to control those units, which is a stupid idea in so many ways plus LEGO don't make mobile phones.
What problem do you have with bluetooth control via smartphone?
First: The inefficiencies of using a radio based system for simple on/off or rough speed control on a basic DC motor compared to IR. For example, with the Power Functions remote, the only thing that it is doing is running a low power microcontroller to sample which button is pressed and then pulsing a low power IR LED accordingly. Using a smartphone, one is running a massive computer with high powered CPU/GPU, power hungry bluetooth, power hungry GSM, massive LCD panel ect just to turn a simple motor on/off.
Second: The limited range of bluetooth compared to IR when the Power Functions system is used properly. Sunlight or moonlight makes no difference.
Third: The fact the when I play with my models outdoors, these drives can last for 2 or 3 hours covering distances of well over 1 mile (longest drive so far was almost 6 hours), a modern smartphone transmitting 10's or 100's of updates per second over bluetooth, the battery is simply not good enough, its fine for playing with your model for 10 minutes, but for hours on end, a smartphone is useless.
Forth: Any time that a smartphone is connected to the internet, has bluetooth switched on, the phone is simply powered on, or even powered down but with battery still connected (as either MI5/6 or GCHQ told us a while ago), it leaves the device open to attack. I take the view that unless bluetooth, wifi ect need to be on, then I keep them off and since one has a better ways to control LEGO then with a smartphone, eg Power Functions, then I shall use the options LEGO have given us. Plus the Power Functions system is totally un-hackable, thus no little s**thead can hack it and mess it up. Search the internet for iOS/Andriod malware/virus's and then try to find some for the Power Functions system...I rest my case.
Fifth: Even when you take into account the fact the I use non-rechargable batteries, the Power Functions system is far cheaper to run in the long run than using a smartphone and bluetooth.
Yes using bluetooth can have its uses in a limited range of applications but BT and a smartphone is simply not up to the task for the way I use LEGO.
Thank you! I have enjoyed your hamster's professional test!
I liked the video because of the cute hamsters :D
same
Same too!
I always wanted more powerful Lego motors when I was a kid.
10 years later and we have this weird motor that is still weak but with a worse plug design and an app to control the speed.
What an improvement!
I still vastly prefer Power Functions
J Webster POwer Functions are just better mate!
I still vastly prefer 9v.
Why can't they go back to having the option of using batteries or power? Power is so much more reasonable for Lego Trains... Totally get batteries for other uses.
I bought 2 sets of powered up when I first saw they were available on the Lego store. I was greatly disappointed in the remote's system of controlling trains, the fact that because of their latest innovation, I have to pair controllers and battery boxes every time I turn one off,and that the regular, non-bogie motor is 30 dollars, I wish I had to wasted so much money on them. Powered up doesn't compare to power functions. Let this comment be a warning to all Lego train enthusiasts: GET POWER FUNCTIONS WHILE YOU STILL CAN.
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Thank you! Im getting the set in christmas and im so excited to see how the new motors work! Also i enjoy the fact that you can have it smoothly controlled by the app!
If performance is same then they are killing off the old system just for some Bluetooth- which we've already gotten from sbrick and others
BOOOO LEGO! EXPAND YOUR CURRENT SYSTEMS INSTEAD OF REPLACING
Side note: get on lego shop and buy the cr*p out of all their motors
Their almost like apple now. A big loyal fanbase, and yet they treat them like trash. I don't recall a time lego listened to our cries for stuff, and that's why there are so many aftermarket lego things. While lego could add something that we've added to our lego add-ons, they likely won't. This is why I stick to the older legos, back when lego had the good power functions.
legoman 33 I would say that the increase in price is a much more convincing reason for the rize in ”aftermarket Lego things“
it was always like this remember the pre 2008 motors? In my opinion much better than the new ones except some more advanced stuff but in term of a good old motor that just runs they were better in my opinion
Nah. Don't buy Lego motors. They are rip-offs
@@Ramog1000 Pre 2008 motors are still compatible with PF. Just need an extension cable and you are good to go.
Perfect video! Your channel is a true reference for all LEGO enthusiasts.
I love your comparison videos, they help so much
Really hope they address the connection issue, it'd be nice to have variable speed, even if there are only 10 steps.
Maybe while they're at it they can try making them more powerful too?
4:46 I love him he gets two thumbs up
thanks for the great information about this
2:20 Except that the PF M motor won't sit down on the studs properly at all if you have a plate, tile or panel next to it, as they have not made the base part thick enough.
Very smart hamster and very professional test! Thank you!
Great review! You nailed it. I loved the highlight with the differential. Hope was not too critical in my other comments to you before.
Excellent comparison - well done on the video as well. Thank you! Cheers! JM
that battery box with built in bluethooth would be amazing for remote controlled builds as it would save ALOT of space. if only it had power functions plugs on it ):
Aww your hamsters are such sweethearts
Great review sariel! Very excited to see what the future of lego Technic looks like!
Fancy seeing you here...
@@tobyrands7761 Is this the real Toby Rands? Can you sign my forehead?
Thx for the review! Is there any way to keep new motor running without holding/tapping touch screen?
Excellent comparison, thanks for that!
Now we also need a comparison between the PU motors and the new ones from the Spike Prime/Robotic Invention set motors. I'm afraid these are the only ones Lego will support in the near future (?).
The end is adorable
I'll still miss the old 9V system. The one before power-functions.
same
I wonder if anyone makes custom lego pieces that work like the 9V system?
Like they 3D print bricks and add metal strips to them to conduct electricity.
Power functions work well with the 9V motors- they just have a few extra features (more fine spd control)
@@thebravegallade731
Right, but if Lego discontinues Power Functions, then what?
Yeah, that was good. I build a truck with it, and for steering 4,5v.
I was so excited to see a new motor but saddened how similar it is after 11 years. I would love to see some pricey high quality RC car type of motors for some builds. Might need metal gears at that point though...
Maybe my pf moters will be worth much when they only sell these in the future 😅
Nice review btw
Do the new motors have encoders inside? Thus 6 cables and no stacking of connectors?
Its about time someone did a Pf motor vs Power up motor comparison !!! much needed video !! Im sirslayer from eurobrick!!! thank you for your dedication to the Lego community and can you digitally sign my book by you?????? it would bring more value if you can signed them!!
Cute hamster :)
Sariel.
You are definitely Master Class
Your hamster is so CUTE
Moral of the story: I need a hamster
Nice comparison! So actually at the moment the only advantage (vs many disadvantages) is the fact it has studs on top which can enable some new solutions but not too many. I think Sariel you could also mention that the new colour line is shity, as it LBG and DBG is better blending with vehicles mechanics than white-LBG :) so we will need to add another effort to mask it in some MOCs....
Old systems only main advantage is the stackable outputs, and even then you are pretty limited due to battery box output.
The powered Up line has a lot more available now, and if you use the City Hub 88009 you don't need to use a phone. Bluetooth connection means it wont get messed up by sunlight and does not need direct line of sight for control.
You can even control multiple hubs with one remote at the same time if your train has multiple engines.
I think the only problem with powered up is a lot of them were quickly retired, but there's a lot on used market so it's okay.
Hey Sariel, Just got the book: loving it.
What about disassembly comparison, what motor it actually using etc.
Thanks for the great vid:)
That motor looks really cool
Is this motor compatible with the TECHNIC hub? Can it work in servomotor mode in BrickController2 app?
thanks for your review =)
Much appreciated.
I wonder what will companies like Sbrick and BuWizz will do, if the new sets are coming out with these new plugs? Hopefully Lego will make connection adapters like we have seen before, with the old 9v system.
i say pf is still better just needs to be updated :/
Can you list the info of your recording gear in the video description? I love the lighting and the clear picture. Its more than very nice.
Thank you, the camera is Lumix G7.
Why do people dislike these kinds of videos? They’re only trying to help you
Cool stuff!
So why are there 6 wires in the new one after all?
2 more for speed control.
Not at all, they have different functions. In most cases they give an information to the hub what device is plugged in. The BOOST motor (missing in this video) delivers an angle decoder signal, the WeDo and BOOST Sensors communicate with the two wires using the I2C protocol. If you're curious, look here: www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/162288-powered-up-a-tear-down/
To sum up what Giottist said, it just needs to send and receive more information to do just a little bit more then pf motors
Reverse
For app to recognise different motors
What is the background music using this video?
Your hamster is really cute
I have the older version
A little annoying because they just pop out if next to even a flat plate (also noticeable in this video)
Hello any idea about what is New Smart Hub's gate 'D' for? 4th port I mean. Can we connect hubs parallel ? I tried to connect 4th L motor to gate 'D' - but it is not working. Any idea? I try to do 6x6 with 3 XL and 1 L motor. Is it possible with new power motor setup? thanks
Too many motors per one hub, I guess.
what happened to the s and xs pf motors?
I still have the original square lego motor from 1990. Although the battery bricks have been lost.
I would say the best improvement we could look for is more speed/torque for the same size, but is it possible ?
I'm not sure there are improvements in this area the latest 10 years, I would really like to have the point of view of the experts around here! :) like you Sariel.
ouch you use the hamster as trap :P xD
I have only one question. Why you didn't do a test on a technic wehicle? For example on RC tracked racer? That shuold show the real differents of these motors
Cześć:)
More cute animals please 😍😊😁
All we want is a LEGO Powerpank with micro-USB and Bluetooth as an option additional to infra red. Damn it LEGO! Just ask your customers!
Love it
I love the Hamster 🐹 they made be 100% sure I should I like the video so I did
I Liked the video for that cute 🐁 mouse !!!
It's a hamster 🐹
Owh oops sorryyy.... Edit : Like for that cutie hamster 🐹 👍🐹
cute hamster
Your ''music'' that you use in the videos reminds me of Sims.
Nostalgiiaaaaa!
when you like the video just because of the hamster
Lego technic motors need a upgrade. Especially the led lights
They need a high speed powerful brushless motor for some real gear shredding power
Would you be able to make an updated video with the newly released powered up system and motors?
If time permits, sure.
awwwwwww! your pet is so cute!
I think this new connector could be about controllability. Not just speed, but also position like in the mindstorms sets. The concept of getting information about the angle of the motor also completly denies the option to stack them up since each one has to be spoken with speratly.
Only future will tell, maybe some new block will be added which has the option to stack these or so, but it will then need more space for sure...
Not exactly, in reality PF get a special motor called "SERVO" than has the angle option function too, with stack capability too.
The 2007 one is my favorite
Is there a way to control the exact position of the servo? Or is it only -90, +90 and 0?
You can control it precisely with SBrick.
I hope they're more efficient though. I'm not really bothered with the max speed and torque, I just want it to last longer under pressure without running out of energy within minutes like the Power Functions motors do.
The Powered Up system uses AAA batteries so you can expect the exact opposite.
@@searme sigh. When will they learn..
I'll never buy this unless LEGO releases a PF converter.
Also, what is the PF E again?
A disaster.
Sbrick is working on a converter
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My guess is that they removed the stacking connector because of individual speed control?
I don't see how this is related. What's stopping them from using speed control on two motors at once?
I’ve got a bad feeling about this.
because they pulled one apple ass "upgrade" on us. Removing features that are really useful, adding barely anything of worth, and more or less its the same exact thing. If this works out and they dont get enough flak they are going to keep doing it, its how business works. This is the lego equivalent of the F-35 program, its a non-upgrade that has less situational usefulness, which is what this thing is built around.
han solo copy right!
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@@infinitytv4946 hello
They need to bring back the "buggy motor"
Those are very expensive nowadays.
I still have one, love that thing
Both of them came in a set in 2018
Guys keep ur lego motors they maybe can be expensive in like 10 years idk 😂
And the pf box too
Why? The motors before the PF era weren't gone expensive after their discontinuation. BTW these new connectors are easily convertible to the stackable PF format.
@@peterkiss1204 look at the price of the buggy motor *new* and learn
Oh nice I'll sell all of my 57 motors
@@Cako1000 Yep, official PF motors are like 30 bucks
I can use this info very Good!
What about 2019 first TECHNICS Sets? No Powered up function`s? Any information what and when we can expect? Is it still worth to buy 42030 set to get all power functions?
I'll have some info on December 16th.
Dziękuję, myślałem jak dodać PW na zbudujmyto lub na FB, Mam Twoja książkę i buduje z synem ale jedyny silnik jaki posiadam to lego boost i masakrycznie się buduje z użyciem tego. Posiadamy nowy lego train wiec już mam nadajnik i odbiornik i bardzo liczę na silniki :). Czekam na informacje w takim układzie !!!
So.. Better or not ? Maybe within the future we'll see ^^
are there any adapters so you can attach these new motors to power function recievers?
Not at the moment, no.
Without doing any research, I'm sure that since it's been a year that either there's an aftermarket thing now or Lego has released something.
4:42
sweet Hamster
Use the standard medium motor instead of simple medium linear motor featured and compare the torque with the PF L motor
lovely mouse! it also not nice that LEGO introduced this new motor line because they are pretty different.
Mouse? I thought it was a hamster?
@@drewdawson5063 sus
Can you use the Lego power up motor without app?
Not as far as I know.
I think the problem is, that the new Powered Up, M motor is, 3x more expensive then the Power Functions, M motor. I’m going to stick to Power Functions, for now
Sariel's LEGO@ workshop, how did You connect Your lego we do 1.0 motor with smarthub from Lego WeDO 2.0?
2;56 on film. What is it? How can i get this?
What do you mean? At 2:56 I'm connecting PF motors to a PF IR receiver. Next, I'm connecting a Powered Up motor to a Powered Up hub. There are no WeDo components in this video, as clearly stated from the beginning.
I think I've used this new motor in WeDo 2.0. Honestly, I'm not a fan of this new plug. But new design is quite nice and opens up a fair bit more possibilities.
BTW I'm still using old 9V motor from 1990.
WeDo 2.0 has a different motor.
Thanks for replying. They look so similar though.
wait, what is the motor that was shown at the 4:29 mark? and how come I have never seen it before?
It's PF E motor, that's why it's called PF E in the video, and it's described along with all others in my book.
No backwards compatibility, and non-stackable plugs. I don't like where this is headed. However the new plugs do look compatable.with the mindstorms controller bricks so maybe?
They are not compatible with Mindstorms.
@@searme or 9v. Or maybe 4.5v.
How were able to control them from the phone? What app were you using and was it with the regular IR receiver?
I was using Powered Up app. The entire Powered Up system works with it, not with IR receivers.
Sariel's LEGO® Workshop was there another piece that wasn’t shown in the video that is able to be controlled? So far I have the motor, battery pack, IR receiver and I’d like to control it with my phone
@@searme i figured it out, i need to run two motors at the same time so I guess ill stick to PF. thanks!
Um, no, completely wrong. You don't need to run two motors at the same time. Powered Up works without IR receiver ONLY with app from your phone. Power Functions needs an IR receiver and works only with Power Functions remotes, not with phone. Which part is unclear here?
Sariel's LEGO® Workshop I need something to run two motors that’s all I was asking
Maybe the new one have an encoder?
I think PF will soon be something of the past. Powerup Lego is much more powerful and the obvious (perhaps late) step, and probably means a big lego investment.
Next improvments: Lights (already avaiable), a Y cable or multiple HUB, more flexible APP (I cannot control the powerup M-moter in a train mode), etc.
And in hampster's profession opinion: Ugh! Plastic! ...now where are my peanuts???
So are there any inherent advantages to power up over power functions? Does the battery last longer, is it more powerful, etc?
Its no longer going to be infra-red but blue tooth....still seems pretty lame considering the downsides :/
No, in fact as long as it's using AAA batteries instead of AA ones, you can expect less power and shorter battery life.
@@searme
And why is Lego™ not using a 9V block battery
@@lukasvondaheim A 9V battery might deliver the same voltage, but if will do so for a much shorter time than even six AAAs
Are you able to use that it unit with an app, not just a controller? If so, I shall get it.
The PU motor works with the PU app if that's what you're asking.
Thank you! It is very nice to see youtubers actually help their viewers, not just upload for the money. Keep up the fantastic work!
I am proud to be part of making Lego
The PF E motor what is that for kind of motor, and how much torque does it have?
It's a crappy motor with a crappy torque.
@@searme check Philo's page :)
am I the only one who does not know this pf e motor nobody talks about? (cant find it on the internet) where is it from?
Search the internet harder. It's there.
great :-)
1990: Fly car in 2020
2020: LEGO HELICOPTER WITH EARTH CORE
So basically the shape fills more empty area thus provides better structural integrity?
We need to gang up on LEGO, not support the new control + and PU!!!!!!
cool!