I'm really sad they discontinued power functions because there was nothing wrong with it, it worked fine and made its way into hundreds of sets and always worked
@@coalthedergsune again... cringe. it's the weirdos who developed a strange likeness towards being an animal who never had functioning families. the same weirdos who make up weird insults based not on facts but on some made up fantasy land to make themselves feel better. you don't know my age and you don't know anything about me. fking weirdo
it also took away the need to engineer gearboxes/make more reliable boxes since you can just program the motors to adjust at certain constraints or switch over a gear rather (which is similar to just using another motor) automatically instead of engineering it with the actual lego pieces.
Essentially, it's pretty much the same, but with a bullet in the foot in the form of a crap app that might brick our motor in a few years if TLG abandons suport for it.
Good news, lego released the specifications to the BT protocol used in the hubs so anybody can write code that works with them. There's also a couple of cool project like pybricks, so we don't have to rely on TLG for support on it.
I believe the power up motors are actually the same motors inside LEGO packaging. The big change is they are controlled by the app so that LEGO is more in control of their product.
I don't know about you, but I really wish that LEGO would release a series of smaller-size motors and battery packs (I'm thinking 1- to 2-studs wide/2- to 3-studs tall/2- to 4-studs long) that could be used for smaller MOCs in the 4- to 6-stud wide range.
If you're up for little bit of hacking together you can power the ir receiver and power functions motors with a 9v battery. Most 9v batteries are just around 2 studs wide. Not entirely sure how you'd do that with powered up - you'd probably have to strip down the battery box. The train community been begging for smaller batter boxes and receivers since the introduction of the RC train system but that's mainly fallen on deaf ears.
JOUE BIEN TECH what an interesting idea. Just a lego compatible 9v holder... if it were for trains it could be very simple, maybe just two PF connectors. What a cool idea. Buwizz Jr.
That would be extremely nice for minifig scale cars like Speed Champions. They probably wouldn't go very fast, but it would still be fun to see minifigures zooming around
I'm not sure I'll invest in any PU until it's much better refined. I'll sooner go for a PFX brick with its extensive light and sound functions and limitless customizability.
I noticed that many of the Control + Motors are slower than their PF counterparts (in terms of RPM). Does the slower RPM of the Control + Motors have a noticeable effect on MOCs or no?
That overshoot things might be intentional. There was a technique invented by Disny for there animationics to prevent them from rattling caused by hard stops. That could be employed here.
I just hate how the battery box alone costs $90. You used to be able to get a full power functions set for that much. (Tracked racer). An old AA box cost like $10. I get that it adds a receiver in it but it shouldn’t be costing that much, especially since it doesn’t even come with a remote.
Because they want to switch to the new system, simple as that. Btw they won't make the new motors faster for sure, don't expect the return of the RC buggy motor or anything similar. Those times are gone.
Because currently only the Control+ app can connect to the new hub and you'd be limited to the functions on the app and you also need to use the 2 XL / 1 L motor combination. Once the Powered Up app will be updated to support the new elements and it'll have the ability to have customisable controls then you can use it for MOCs. The platform has great potential to use the sensors and the interactive motors, we just need to wait for the software to support it properly.
You technically can, but it has to use 2 XL motors for drive and one L motor for steering, because the app is only compatible with the 42099. PF also has a proper servo motor, which works much better than using an L motor, and has more torque.
I love legos and play for about 35 years and have a 6yold son now, and want to jump into motors but are think of what direction i should start from scratch. I guess o should dtat with Powered up and later Inventor? Never had contact with the old pnes, so, maybe just go full new stuff? Thanks!!!
The best would be to buy one of the new smaller RC sets to experiment with it, like 42109 or 42124. The the electric components can be used for custom builds later on.
Hello any idea about what is New Smart Hub's gate 'D' for? 4th port I mean. Can we connect hubs parallel ? I tried to connect 4th L motor to gate 'D' - but it is not working. Any idea? I try to do 6x6 with 3 XL and 1 L motor. Is it possible with new power motor setup? thanks
There's no specific usage for port D, it works just as all the other ports. It won't work with the Control+ app as that is only designed to control specific sets, those profiles won't use any additional motors, they'll actually refuse to connect if you have a different motor configuration. For any custom control you need to use the Powered Up app, I suggest to check my videos about the app and the custom control possibilities.
Because currently the remote on its own only works with the AAA hub and specific sets, like the trains or the Batmobile. For anything else you need to use the Powered Up app to configure the behavior of the remote and the motors.
Sorry, I actually remembered wrong, that was the situation earlier. I tested it and the remote does work with the L and XL motors, but they need to be connected to the AAA hub. The remote does not work out of the box with the Technic (AA) hub.
@@RacingBrick I have 88010 remote, 88009 hub and 88013 L motor The problem is: the motor works if I keep the button on the remote, the speed cannot controlable.
The remote offers gradual speed control for the train motor, and "bang-bang" (on/off) control for the other motors. This is intentional, since this remote does not have proportional joysticks, just buttons. With the buttons you can control a train gradually increasing or decreasing the speed, since the train motor is constantly on. This would be very weird for regular motors, this is why the default behavior is different for them. Regarding the phone, I tested the app with a Redmi 7a (sub-$100) and it works perfectly fine. The app is required for configuration, there are tons of different usage options so it'd be impossible to have everything built in as a default behavior. Hopefully LEGO will release a remote with joysticks for speed control, or they make PS4/Xbox controllers usable like with the 51515 Mindstorms set.
the XL PF motor is a slight screw-up, in general i don't like it because of its horrible RPM and not much higher torque from the astounding L motor. i just use L and M motor over XL
@@RacingBrick yes that's true but i remember seeing this comparing table of the motors and though the XL was most powerful as you said it had 180 RPM and it said 90 n or something on the table, the L had 78.5 n or something and as you said has 365 RPM, for me, the RPM and torque of the L motor outweigh the XL motor.
@@pyrotection you should check again that table, I guess it was Philo's motor comparison. The XL motor has 14,5 N.cm torque and 146 rpm at 9V, the L motor has 6,48 N.cm and 272 rpm. This means if we slow down the L motor to the same speed as the XL motor it would have only 12,07 N.cm torque. So this means the XL motor has approximately 15% more torque at the same speed than the L motor.
@@RacingBrick oops, i got some of the RPMs wrong. though at the same speed the XL motor is ~15% more powerful, i still think theL is better (personally)
@@pyrotection the purpose is simply different. L is great for small and mid-size builds where weight is important and you need a balance between speed and torque. XL is good for heavier and/or slower builds where torque is more important.
That's the Power Functions train controller, designed to control train motors. If you try to control a servo with it for steering, you'll quickly realize that it's too slow and not accurate enough for that purpose.
Hey RacingBrick. I really want some lego motors and i have some money for it. But i dont really want to buy the expensive powered up things. What should i do? Thanks
Power Functions won't become cheaper either as they are not produced anymore. You can either get some stock now but then you'll be stuck with the old system, or get some PU motors. They are cheaper to buy in sets btw like 42109.
Hello RacingBrick te melyik rendszert fogod használni a jövőben? Váltasz a Pu-ra vagy maradsz a Pf-nél? Mi a véleményed az új rendszerről meg vagy e vele elégedve?
Egyelőre párhuzamosan használom mindkettőt. Ha a véleményemre vagy kiváncsi róla érdemes talán a legutolsó PU-s videót megnézni - th-cam.com/video/RLD6r-CoFhs/w-d-xo.html
Gonna stick to Power functions since I see no use In Using it now mabey but only because I am making Train layout I may even Use 9v but Power up if I habe no way in saving space in a train moc
The power of the XL motors is pretty similar but their base speed is different. PF is still easier to use for custom building as the software side of PU is not complete yet.
To convert Attika and or Leeuwen models to Lego Power Ups motors and see if it made a difference!!.. My girlfriend is shaking her head no... @@RacingBrick
Don't rush with that, you only have the Control+ app so you strictly need to stick to the 2 XL + 1 L combination, otherwise it won't work. If I were you I'd wait until the Powered Up app is updated to support the novelties.
Hello. My daughter and I want to get started with lego (we watched lego masters) is the only way to get these parts (technic) by buying the car sets? Any advice on where to start?
You can also buy them individually at lego.com. The best is to start with e complete set that has all the parts so you can study how things work together, then you can use those parts to experiment and make your own design.
Hi I want to build a decent RC technic car with BuWizz 3.0 + 2xBuwizz motors. But I cannot find a proper servo motor in the market. Can I use 45503 EV3 Medium Servo Motor? Is it better or worse than (response time, turning degrees...etc.) 88004 Power Functions Servo Motor?
Great question, I think it's because a BUNCH of 3rd party companies have proven it can easily be better than LEGO is handling it. I use a Buwizz and love the customizable, programmable interface. You can link multiple Buwizz together for BOTH increased battery life (in parallel across packs) AND you get 4 more channels with every pack. With the ability to bind multiple channels to one controller, or to set parameters for how and when motors interact by using power curves. Or to correct alignment when your servo goes to crap. I can't say enough good things about how Buwizz improved on PF. It's really sad to see LEGO disregarding this.
You mean the Technic hub and the Power Functions battery box? Yes, there's a big difference regarding the mounting points and the layout. You can see some details here - racingbrick.com/2019/05/powered-up-update-technic-hub-l-xl-motors-revealed/#more-5231
@@HAZZZZZZZZZAAAA I'm not sure which one is "new" for you. There's the Technic hub (88012) that you could see in my blog post, and there's the City hub (88009) that is similar in dimensions to the Power Functions AAA battery box.
@@RacingBrick it would be the city hub, the older trains used to have an external infra red sensor you had to plug through before attaching to the battery hub. I can see the connectors have changed from the top to the side or the hub, was wondering if there was any difference in regards for that. Also thank you for the quick replies and apologies for being all over the place
@@HAZZZZZZZZZAAAA if there's one brick space next to the hub then there should be no issue with the connectors either. You can see it in my video about the Crocodile locomotive, by default it can be motorized with Powered Up, but the old PF system fits as well. th-cam.com/video/4YcE9JDAMMc/w-d-xo.html
I did not forget it, that's related to Mindstorms. There are many motors produced by LEGO that are not on the list, I compared the generic Power Functions and Powered Up motors available at that time.
I think they are the same for me it's too good for rpm stability and rates I think the power up is better but the controls are more deficult specially when your are programming and you don't know anything so I think it's best to learn I give the power up I guess a 9/10 and the motor function one I give it a 8.5/10 I think power up is a little better for controls.
Guys I need help I’ve made a customer lego technic truck it ways from 3kg to about 5kg but I suspect it ways above 3.5kg what Engine should I put in it?
Why not divorce from lego a bit and use hobby servos, motors, ESCs? There's 3D printed bracketry to mount these parts in and they'll provide far better control and propulsion than the native parts LEGO themselves supply.
@@RacingBrick Eh, a brushed 280 won't overpower lego gears or axles and would be power for days on the sorts of rigs most lego RC stuff is, like taht big full suspension off-roader you showed. Brushless, sure, but not brushed. And on the electronics side it's a no brainer really. App controlled RC always sucks; I had a Parrot drone that was app controled and it would never fly. Did what it wanted to do which was usually to take off, drift a bit, flip over, and eat shit. I've been mulling over RC-ifying some old old technic kits, either that early dozer or the tractor. Something nice and slow. I've done enough fiddling with Lego to know slow wins; the axles and beams wear out super super fast if you're pushing the speedo up.
Powered Up can be used for more simple and compact builds that don't have a lot of space and have little function, no more than connecting a hub to an M motor to get something to work. Power functions can be used for larger builds and more complex builds, since you can stack theoretically infinite wires onto one battery box.
Lego technic would be great if they made actually decent motors, not using bottom of the barrel chinese no name brand ones. But I guess they wouldn't be able to sell them at 5000% markup then, making quality mechanisms would be bad for their business. Like for real, they sell 15 cent motors encased in 5 cent piece of plastic for 10 bucks - is that a ripoff or what.
Do you have anything to back this up? I literally have dozens of LEGO motors being used and abused on a daily basis and I had only one single Servo failing so far.
@@RacingBrick Nobody said that the cheapest chinese motors fail within 3 hours of operation. But you can disassemble the motor and look at the components inside, look up part number if it was even printed on the presumably completely off-brand no-name motor, look up what that kind of motor costs.
@@RacingBrick Extremely noisy. Horrendous battery life. Pathetic torque and even worse speed. Way too heavy for its power rating. These days ten dollars can buy you a high quality brand name brushless motor with really good electrical efficiency, tight manufacturing standards, and extremely high output power (compared to LEGO motors). If you scale it down for practical usage with plastic parts and skip on finishing in favor of plastic frame, then $10 will make a really good and still more powerful motor and there will be upwards of 50% profit margin, which is great for a physical product. But that's nowhere near as great as 5000%, is it.
@@michaelbuckers remember, this is a plastic toy system. You don't need more torque and more power, this is not the brushless RC world. One XL motor can already easily twist an axle, two L motors geared up will melt the plastic. If you want hobby grade RC performance then you need to look elsewhere.
Imagine how cool would it be to have a slider on the video that regulates the loudness, or even a possibility to mute it if you don't like it! Oh wait...
Hey an adult fan of Lego hear. First of all with the power functions Servo Motors. You may be wrong on needing a 3rd party controller 4 proportional control on the servo motor. I do know for shure that Lego does or did at one time. have the speed control controller like that was used for the Lego Power functions trains. That's supported the proportional control Although it had distinct positions for Speed and position of the servo motor. Not a analog type stick. It. Had 15 position dials. Off Seven forward spreads and seven reverse speeds. Or 15 positions total Center which would be off. And seven positions from Center To 90 degrees both directions. As well as there was too buttons to stop either motor immediately. no matter what position that dial or Knob was in. And also small power functions remote the full forward full reverse And off with the small power functions remote. Was the first one available for the system as well as the majority of models would use it. That variable speed remote as I would call it. did not stop the Motors if it lost signal to the power functions receiver. All so which was ideal for trains. Also recently I heard some talk on the internet. that that speed controlled power functions remote is no longer being sold. but I have not been able to verify this as fact. So you can take that in the information from the internet with a grain of salt. All so does eney one know where you can buy that third-party remote. that he was using for the demo with the servo motor. and how much it cost and who makes it. I would like to know and I'm sure a lot of uther people I would as well. Also who manufactures it. reviews. any information links to product. cost and where it would be available. And of course TH-cam videos on it. And links to product Etc.
You're right the train remote offers proportional control, but it has very little practical use as the whole operation is really laggy. You could only control a very slow vehicle and it would be still inaccurate with those dials. About the controller I used - it's a simple Bluetooth gamepad for Android, you can find tons of these. It's an ipega PG-9025, not sure if it is still available. Google it and you'll find all the information/reviews/videos you are looking for.
@@RacingBrick Actually the functions is more and in the straight sense of it (I'm not talking about the funny gimmicks of the app). but that's because of the actual available elements. however the range and the fact it uses IR is the bad point. Also the remote brick have only 2 channels but the fact that motors and other elements can be stacked is a good plus. I mean if you want to use control + with two motors that does the same thing you still need an extra channel to do that, while the PF you could to that with its basic two channel IR module. I prefer the new module in many ways, because it's the whole unit all by itself, however I don't like the fact it requires a smartphone to work and have no other way of control. Sure a system like the control + is technically way better than what PF is. I mean the bluetooth element allows a lot of things to be done. Better range, better response time. The actual motors are servos which means they have that flexibility right from the start. however I think they should have kept the stackable element from PF, and keep it simple from a modding perspective ... I think they should have made an app modular from the start which means people can mod the model right on And I mean here to have control elements to set up with the lego app but well I think we should see more how the whole thing evolves ... PF could have evolved too from what it is actually it's not like proportional control was unavailable from the system, the train IR remote allowed that, even if it wasn't the most practical thing to do. They could have made a radio remote with 2 proportional levers and 4 buttons and a hub with 4 PF outlets and it would have been a major improvement already My main complaint about the new system is that you don't have any remote (except for the powered up) and the connectors which doesn't allow any stacking. For me both systems have their pros and cons and even if bluetooth is actually better in any conceivable way, the lack of actual modularity makes me kind of cold regarding this new system. But PF wasn't that great at launch either I mean there was no remote and even the old 9V system allowed some remote with the wires despite them being shit ...
This is really the best way how to waste your hard earned money.. the new motors looks like a third party one. so stop wasting your money and invest in the old one!
@@RacingBrick the correct way to compare is using a direct drive system with no gearing. its not a comparrision if your altering the output with gears.
@@slybunda if I compare them with a direct drive then the speed and the torque will be very different and it is difficult to compare the real performance. This is why most people thought for the first sight that the PU XL motor is much weaker than the PF one. In reality their torque is pretty much equal if you use gearing to compensate the internal gearing, that's exactly what I wanted to show.
Right where do I start, had to turn the music off. Just mind blowing monotonous crap. Please leave your captions up heaps long so we can read then look to see what you are talking about.
I'll agree on the music part. not a fan, kinda boring. I will disagree on the caption statemen. Just pause the video and let those who read faster get on with their lives. No need to artificially inflate the runtime.
This is such a turn off. It seems like you need to buy 300$ of stuff. Just to find out what to buy!!!! Is this true? I'm a dad and I don't know what to do.
It really depends on what you want to achieve. For starters the easiest is to get a smaller set with Powered Up motors and hub (like 42109 or 42124) and explore the abilities. Then going forward you'll know better what you need for the next steps.
My Powered Up summary - racingbrick.com/lego-powered-up-summary/#
@Wijnand van Sten so it all depends on the gearing
I found a great set of power functions here:
www.amazon.com/dp/B08QGDHWQZ?ref=myi_title_dp
I'm really sad they discontinued power functions because there was nothing wrong with it, it worked fine and made its way into hundreds of sets and always worked
not every day you see another fur in the comments of a lego video
cringe@@coalthedergsune
@@onoybeuh bold coming from a fatherless 13 year old
@@coalthedergsune again... cringe. it's the weirdos who developed a strange likeness towards being an animal who never had functioning families. the same weirdos who make up weird insults based not on facts but on some made up fantasy land to make themselves feel better. you don't know my age and you don't know anything about me. fking weirdo
I thought power functions is IR though requiring line of sight.
Personally i prefer power functions since you can stack the connectors
Same
Four is enough
@@Unbrickme yea
it also took away the need to engineer gearboxes/make more reliable boxes since you can just program the motors to adjust at certain constraints or switch over a gear rather (which is similar to just using another motor) automatically instead of engineering it with the actual lego pieces.
A small price to pay for Bluetooth
Excellent comparo! Everything I needed to know to stick with PF + SBrick remote control for now.
Lego: no you cant just use an unofficial motor driver and pf!
You: haha, "counterfeit" remote motor go brrr
Lego design team. So let's make it less powerful, harder to use and cost more....ok
It’s weird how recently a lot of toy brands have become corrupt or at least shady.
No no guys, i have some of these motors and their great(i don’t work at Lego)
You should not care about the keyboard warriors, complaining is always easier than actually trying things
RacingBrick that’s the first time my comment got loved by any TH-camr, thank you 😊
I'm sticking with power functions. Why? They're cheaper
I'm broke
You can have my PF servos when you pry them from my cold dead hands.
AWESOME summary, thanks so much!
Essentially, it's pretty much the same, but with a bullet in the foot in the form of a crap app that might brick our motor in a few years if TLG abandons suport for it.
And it’s 5 x the price
Good news, lego released the specifications to the BT protocol used in the hubs so anybody can write code that works with them. There's also a couple of cool project like pybricks, so we don't have to rely on TLG for support on it.
Instead of trying to make them smaller and compact so they could be used in more and smaller mocs, they make them bigger and harder to implement
Not waste your money for this garbagge..
I believe the power up motors are actually the same motors inside LEGO packaging. The big change is they are controlled by the app so that LEGO is more in control of their product.
lol! You are meaning in control of selling more unneeded stuff!
Everything we need to know before we empty the bank for the new PU sets.
I don't know about you, but I really wish that LEGO would release a series of smaller-size motors and battery packs (I'm thinking 1- to 2-studs wide/2- to 3-studs tall/2- to 4-studs long) that could be used for smaller MOCs in the 4- to 6-stud wide range.
Or even a smaller sized Buwizz with limited voltage. I totally agree. I would love to be able to do smaller builds.
If you're up for little bit of hacking together you can power the ir receiver and power functions motors with a 9v battery. Most 9v batteries are just around 2 studs wide. Not entirely sure how you'd do that with powered up - you'd probably have to strip down the battery box. The train community been begging for smaller batter boxes and receivers since the introduction of the RC train system but that's mainly fallen on deaf ears.
JOUE BIEN TECH what an interesting idea. Just a lego compatible 9v holder... if it were for trains it could be very simple, maybe just two PF connectors. What a cool idea. Buwizz Jr.
That'd be microscopic. Those would overheat and barely have any torque.
That would be extremely nice for minifig scale cars like Speed Champions. They probably wouldn't go very fast, but it would still be fun to see minifigures zooming around
i like how the mounting points are better
Great comparison! Thanks bro.
Nice video! And very interesting!
I'm not sure I'll invest in any PU until it's much better refined. I'll sooner go for a PFX brick with its extensive light and sound functions and limitless customizability.
3:10 that lag tho... absolutely disgusting 😄
dang that motor protection system!
The powered up m motor is the same motor found in lego education WeDo 2.0!
ok
I thought of that lol
They actually discontinued Power Functions
The technic control L motor looks like a direct replica of the EV3 medium motor
Exactly what i thought
So why not just use ev3 instead which is vastly superior in coding and everything!
L motor has more tourque
Much more
Fantastic review, as alwayes ;)
I prefer power functions but the square shape of the power up is very useful tbh
XL motors are better for cranes and crawlers... there slow however got more torque i heard
Great Video, thanks for the effort!
I noticed that many of the Control + Motors are slower than their PF counterparts (in terms of RPM). Does the slower RPM of the Control + Motors have a noticeable effect on MOCs or no?
The XL motor is actually much faster, the difference of the others is not really noticeable
I think I'll just build my own motor set with real RC components and 3D Printing.
That overshoot things might be intentional. There was a technique invented by Disny for there animationics to prevent them from rattling caused by hard stops. That could be employed here.
Might be useful for animatronics but really bad for LEGO car steering.
unlikely, i suspect this is a byproduct of using a normal motor instead of a dedicated servo
This is beginning to look like mindstorms :(
Come on, how hard is it to just design a good motor, just like the buggy motor. These keep getting lamer
How many people actually need a buggy motor with a huge bulky controller unit?
RacingBrick me
@@Unbrickme then keep using it, I guess no one forces you to switch
Good video perfect car
Thank you
Great vid, but this is literally the worst music ever!!!😂
the powered up hub can work with brickcontroler 2 app too
Great video, thanks
I just hate how the battery box alone costs $90. You used to be able to get a full power functions set for that much. (Tracked racer). An old AA box cost like $10. I get that it adds a receiver in it but it shouldn’t be costing that much, especially since it doesn’t even come with a remote.
Is it true LEGO is ending PF in 2020?😭
They said so.
@@RomboutVersluijs Yep, it is Power Functions. The PU stands for Powered Up in case you were wondering.
Why?
@@RacingBrick why would they, and if they do that they better make pu motors faster than what they are now
Because they want to switch to the new system, simple as that. Btw they won't make the new motors faster for sure, don't expect the return of the RC buggy motor or anything similar. Those times are gone.
Great Vid - much appreciated
great, this is the final thing that had to happen in order to ruin 2020 completely...
good video tho
Powered up is quite bad
idk whats worse, janky taped up ir transceiver or the pathetic bluetooth range
well, atleast pu got better documentation on the connection side
Where's that good documentation exactly? :)
Do another one on the new serves please
Can someone explain how and why you can't make a MOC model out of 42099? The gyro tilt sensors would be very useful in other projects
Because currently only the Control+ app can connect to the new hub and you'd be limited to the functions on the app and you also need to use the 2 XL / 1 L motor combination. Once the Powered Up app will be updated to support the new elements and it'll have the ability to have customisable controls then you can use it for MOCs. The platform has great potential to use the sensors and the interactive motors, we just need to wait for the software to support it properly.
You technically can, but it has to use 2 XL motors for drive and one L motor for steering, because the app is only compatible with the 42099.
PF also has a proper servo motor, which works much better than using an L motor, and has more torque.
Why don't you start putting the name of the song of the video down below.
I love legos and play for about 35 years and have a 6yold son now, and want to jump into motors but are think of what direction i should start from scratch. I guess o should dtat with Powered up and later Inventor? Never had contact with the old pnes, so, maybe just go full new stuff? Thanks!!!
The best would be to buy one of the new smaller RC sets to experiment with it, like 42109 or 42124. The the electric components can be used for custom builds later on.
@@RacingBrick Thats amazing. will look after this. Many thanks.
@@RacingBrick Buggy is an amazing set. think i have a winner ;). Thanks.
Hello any idea about what is New Smart Hub's gate 'D' for? 4th port I mean. Can we connect hubs parallel ? I tried to connect 4th L motor to gate 'D' - but it is not working. Any idea? I try to do 6x6 with 3 XL and 1 L motor. Is it possible with new power motor setup? thanks
There's no specific usage for port D, it works just as all the other ports. It won't work with the Control+ app as that is only designed to control specific sets, those profiles won't use any additional motors, they'll actually refuse to connect if you have a different motor configuration. For any custom control you need to use the Powered Up app, I suggest to check my videos about the app and the custom control possibilities.
As a toy, I'd take the new one because of the range, but having to rely on a software and a smartphone to run the toy is a minus.
really confusing and frustrating that they didnt just make the new system backwards compatible
The Powered Up L Motor doesn't work with Remote (new) control, with Mobile apps, only! Why?
Because currently the remote on its own only works with the AAA hub and specific sets, like the trains or the Batmobile. For anything else you need to use the Powered Up app to configure the behavior of the remote and the motors.
Sorry, I actually remembered wrong, that was the situation earlier. I tested it and the remote does work with the L and XL motors, but they need to be connected to the AAA hub. The remote does not work out of the box with the Technic (AA) hub.
@@RacingBrick I have 88010 remote, 88009 hub and 88013 L motor The problem is: the motor works if I keep the button on the remote, the speed cannot controlable.
@@RacingBrick Thank you for your answer. It means I need to buy a new mobile phone! Lego its crazy. What shall we dot with the remote?
The remote offers gradual speed control for the train motor, and "bang-bang" (on/off) control for the other motors. This is intentional, since this remote does not have proportional joysticks, just buttons. With the buttons you can control a train gradually increasing or decreasing the speed, since the train motor is constantly on. This would be very weird for regular motors, this is why the default behavior is different for them.
Regarding the phone, I tested the app with a Redmi 7a (sub-$100) and it works perfectly fine. The app is required for configuration, there are tons of different usage options so it'd be impossible to have everything built in as a default behavior. Hopefully LEGO will release a remote with joysticks for speed control, or they make PS4/Xbox controllers usable like with the 51515 Mindstorms set.
the XL PF motor is a slight screw-up, in general i don't like it because of its horrible RPM and not much higher torque from the astounding L motor. i just use L and M motor over XL
The XL is the most powerful one, best for moving heavy stuff
@@RacingBrick yes that's true but i remember seeing this comparing table of the motors and though the XL was most powerful as you said it had 180 RPM and it said 90 n or something on the table, the L had 78.5 n or something and as you said has 365 RPM, for me, the RPM and torque of the L motor outweigh the XL motor.
@@pyrotection you should check again that table, I guess it was Philo's motor comparison. The XL motor has 14,5 N.cm torque and 146 rpm at 9V, the L motor has 6,48 N.cm and 272 rpm. This means if we slow down the L motor to the same speed as the XL motor it would have only 12,07 N.cm torque. So this means the XL motor has approximately 15% more torque at the same speed than the L motor.
@@RacingBrick oops, i got some of the RPMs wrong. though at the same speed the XL motor is ~15% more powerful, i still think theL is better (personally)
@@pyrotection the purpose is simply different. L is great for small and mid-size builds where weight is important and you need a balance between speed and torque. XL is good for heavier and/or slower builds where torque is more important.
There is a first-party controller for the servo, the speed controller. 15 different positions with that one
That's the Power Functions train controller, designed to control train motors. If you try to control a servo with it for steering, you'll quickly realize that it's too slow and not accurate enough for that purpose.
Hey RacingBrick. I really want some lego motors and i have some money for it. But i dont really want to buy the expensive powered up things. What should i do?
Thanks
Power Functions won't become cheaper either as they are not produced anymore. You can either get some stock now but then you'll be stuck with the old system, or get some PU motors. They are cheaper to buy in sets btw like 42109.
Hello RacingBrick te melyik rendszert fogod használni a jövőben? Váltasz a Pu-ra vagy maradsz a Pf-nél? Mi a véleményed az új rendszerről meg vagy e vele elégedve?
Egyelőre párhuzamosan használom mindkettőt. Ha a véleményemre vagy kiváncsi róla érdemes talán a legutolsó PU-s videót megnézni - th-cam.com/video/RLD6r-CoFhs/w-d-xo.html
Gonna stick to Power functions since I see no use In Using it now mabey but only because I am making Train layout I may even Use 9v but Power up if I habe no way in saving space in a train moc
I think I am crazy.I have all the powered up motors but don't have any power functions electrical parts
Powered up are so expensive lol
Conclusion: only thing the PF is better in is XL motor power. I do prefer PF, because I don't know PU since I've never used it.
The power of the XL motors is pretty similar but their base speed is different. PF is still easier to use for custom building as the software side of PU is not complete yet.
Just seen the video and wow!!!! Do you have a twin (clone of you) I can borrowed for the weekend!! .. Great Job
Thanks :) What's the weekend job? :D
To convert Attika and or Leeuwen models to Lego Power Ups motors and see if it made a difference!!.. My girlfriend is shaking her head no... @@RacingBrick
Don't rush with that, you only have the Control+ app so you strictly need to stick to the 2 XL + 1 L combination, otherwise it won't work. If I were you I'd wait until the Powered Up app is updated to support the novelties.
Hello. My daughter and I want to get started with lego (we watched lego masters) is the only way to get these parts (technic) by buying the car sets? Any advice on where to start?
You can also buy them individually at lego.com. The best is to start with e complete set that has all the parts so you can study how things work together, then you can use those parts to experiment and make your own design.
BrickLink is cheaper
Hi I want to build a decent RC technic car with BuWizz 3.0 + 2xBuwizz motors. But I cannot find a proper servo motor in the market. Can I use 45503 EV3 Medium Servo Motor? Is it better or worse than (response time, turning degrees...etc.) 88004 Power Functions Servo Motor?
PU not there yet, is it? And why this compulsion to use an app on a phone for basic control? BobUK
Great question, I think it's because a BUNCH of 3rd party companies have proven it can easily be better than LEGO is handling it. I use a Buwizz and love the customizable, programmable interface. You can link multiple Buwizz together for BOTH increased battery life (in parallel across packs) AND you get 4 more channels with every pack. With the ability to bind multiple channels to one controller, or to set parameters for how and when motors interact by using power curves. Or to correct alignment when your servo goes to crap.
I can't say enough good things about how Buwizz improved on PF. It's really sad to see LEGO disregarding this.
Lego needs to take some notes from sBrick
PLEASE tell me what is the name of the battery pack for CU and the application to it
Если что-то не переводится пишите
rechargeable batteries from Ikea :)
long shot if this gets seen but, is there any difference in size for the new and old hubs?
You mean the Technic hub and the Power Functions battery box? Yes, there's a big difference regarding the mounting points and the layout. You can see some details here - racingbrick.com/2019/05/powered-up-update-technic-hub-l-xl-motors-revealed/#more-5231
@@RacingBrick awesome, cheers for that, what about the new hub? I'm trying to see if I can put the new one in the old lego city train kits
@@HAZZZZZZZZZAAAA I'm not sure which one is "new" for you. There's the Technic hub (88012) that you could see in my blog post, and there's the City hub (88009) that is similar in dimensions to the Power Functions AAA battery box.
@@RacingBrick it would be the city hub, the older trains used to have an external infra red sensor you had to plug through before attaching to the battery hub. I can see the connectors have changed from the top to the side or the hub, was wondering if there was any difference in regards for that.
Also thank you for the quick replies and apologies for being all over the place
@@HAZZZZZZZZZAAAA if there's one brick space next to the hub then there should be no issue with the connectors either. You can see it in my video about the Crocodile locomotive, by default it can be motorized with Powered Up, but the old PF system fits as well. th-cam.com/video/4YcE9JDAMMc/w-d-xo.html
You forgot the pf e motor
I did not forget it, that's related to Mindstorms. There are many motors produced by LEGO that are not on the list, I compared the generic Power Functions and Powered Up motors available at that time.
why keep changing the connectors if the motors do not offer new functionality compared to the PF motors?
Maybe because they do offer new functionality?
Powered up motors is not only this boost is powered up
I think they are the same for me it's too good for rpm stability and rates I think the power up is better but the controls are more deficult specially when your are programming and you don't know anything so I think it's best to learn I give the power up I guess a 9/10 and the motor function one I give it a 8.5/10 I think power up is a little better for controls.
So PU M motor can't use as servo?
No, that's power control only.
Just a small question racing brick:
Do pf motors work for pu receivers?
The cable is not compatible. You need to buy a 3rd party adapter if you want to make it work, but they are not cheap.
Are they canceling LEGO powerfuntions in 2020
That's what they said last year
so overall power functions are better?
I wouldn't say that, there are different advantages and disadvantages
u can use buzwizz
Guys I need help I’ve made a customer lego technic truck it ways from 3kg to about 5kg but I suspect it ways above 3.5kg what Engine should I put in it?
At least 2 XL motors, but don't expect it to be fast
@@RacingBrick ok thank you!
You can add 2 XL Motors with the right gearing to make it powerful and fast.
Ja das ist cool mach doch mal ein video mit ein zug mit diesen motoren 😄😁😁😁😄☺️😊😉😆😆😋
Powered up is better in speed and power functions are better in strength
Can the new m motor be used as a servo
The small simple one cannot be used, the 88008 can be used
Why not divorce from lego a bit and use hobby servos, motors, ESCs? There's 3D printed bracketry to mount these parts in and they'll provide far better control and propulsion than the native parts LEGO themselves supply.
Feel free to try it, that's not my world. RC motors are usually too powerful for LEGO.
@@RacingBrick Eh, a brushed 280 won't overpower lego gears or axles and would be power for days on the sorts of rigs most lego RC stuff is, like taht big full suspension off-roader you showed. Brushless, sure, but not brushed. And on the electronics side it's a no brainer really. App controlled RC always sucks; I had a Parrot drone that was app controled and it would never fly. Did what it wanted to do which was usually to take off, drift a bit, flip over, and eat shit.
I've been mulling over RC-ifying some old old technic kits, either that early dozer or the tractor. Something nice and slow. I've done enough fiddling with Lego to know slow wins; the axles and beams wear out super super fast if you're pushing the speedo up.
Neat vid
Powered Up can be used for more simple and compact builds that don't have a lot of space and have little function, no more than connecting a hub to an M motor to get something to work. Power functions can be used for larger builds and more complex builds, since you can stack theoretically infinite wires onto one battery box.
I’ll stick with PF
You forgot the E-motor
Also powerfunctions is way better
Did not forget it, but that's a Mindstorms motor and not very common
You forget the train power fonction motor
Did not forget it but there's practically no difference
@@RacingBrick wow you still answer After years you are a lengend
Lego technic would be great if they made actually decent motors, not using bottom of the barrel chinese no name brand ones. But I guess they wouldn't be able to sell them at 5000% markup then, making quality mechanisms would be bad for their business. Like for real, they sell 15 cent motors encased in 5 cent piece of plastic for 10 bucks - is that a ripoff or what.
Do you have anything to back this up? I literally have dozens of LEGO motors being used and abused on a daily basis and I had only one single Servo failing so far.
@@RacingBrick Nobody said that the cheapest chinese motors fail within 3 hours of operation. But you can disassemble the motor and look at the components inside, look up part number if it was even printed on the presumably completely off-brand no-name motor, look up what that kind of motor costs.
@@michaelbuckers ok so they sell cheap and reliable chinese motors. What's the problem again?
@@RacingBrick Extremely noisy. Horrendous battery life. Pathetic torque and even worse speed. Way too heavy for its power rating. These days ten dollars can buy you a high quality brand name brushless motor with really good electrical efficiency, tight manufacturing standards, and extremely high output power (compared to LEGO motors). If you scale it down for practical usage with plastic parts and skip on finishing in favor of plastic frame, then $10 will make a really good and still more powerful motor and there will be upwards of 50% profit margin, which is great for a physical product. But that's nowhere near as great as 5000%, is it.
@@michaelbuckers remember, this is a plastic toy system. You don't need more torque and more power, this is not the brushless RC world. One XL motor can already easily twist an axle, two L motors geared up will melt the plastic. If you want hobby grade RC performance then you need to look elsewhere.
👇 If you want power functions to be back
Lego's moto is cross-compatibility, yet they ruined it.
They can't stick to the same connector forever if they want to add features
Where did u get the power up motors?
lego.com?
RacingBrick thx
The background 'music' is too loud, distracting and annoying.
Imagine how cool would it be to have a slider on the video that regulates the loudness, or even a possibility to mute it if you don't like it! Oh wait...
Powered Up Motors?
Yes
So, what is the best motor ?
So, what is the best car?
@@RacingBrick Hmmm... I dont know i have that the lego technic 42077
@@RacingBrick and i dont have motor
Well what I wanted to point out - usually there's no such thing as "Best car" or "best LEGO motor", it always depends on the purpose.
How to make that car ??😮
Which one? The test car is literally just a few pieces holding the differential and the wheels, you can see in the video how it is built.
Hey an adult fan of Lego hear.
First of all with the power functions Servo Motors.
You may be wrong on needing a 3rd party controller 4 proportional control on the servo motor.
I do know for shure that Lego does or did at one time.
have the speed control controller like that was used for the Lego Power functions trains.
That's supported the proportional control
Although it had distinct positions for Speed and position of the servo motor.
Not a analog type stick.
It. Had 15 position dials.
Off Seven forward spreads and seven reverse speeds.
Or 15 positions total Center which would be off.
And seven positions from Center To 90 degrees both directions.
As well as there was too buttons to stop either motor immediately.
no matter what position that dial or Knob was in.
And also small power functions remote the full forward full reverse And off with the small power functions remote.
Was the first one available for the system as well as the majority of models would use it.
That variable speed remote as I would call it.
did not stop the Motors if it lost signal to the power functions receiver.
All so which was ideal for trains.
Also recently I heard some talk on the internet.
that that speed controlled power functions remote is no longer being sold.
but I have not been able to verify this as fact.
So you can take that in the information from the internet with a grain of salt.
All so does eney one know where you can buy that third-party remote.
that he was using for the demo with the servo motor.
and how much it cost and who makes it.
I would like to know and I'm sure a lot of uther people I would as well.
Also who manufactures it.
reviews.
any information links to product.
cost and where it would be available.
And of course TH-cam videos on it.
And links to product Etc.
You're right the train remote offers proportional control, but it has very little practical use as the whole operation is really laggy. You could only control a very slow vehicle and it would be still inaccurate with those dials.
About the controller I used - it's a simple Bluetooth gamepad for Android, you can find tons of these. It's an ipega PG-9025, not sure if it is still available. Google it and you'll find all the information/reviews/videos you are looking for.
PF is much better, Lego is going backwards...
Exactly, PF has better range, more functions, more channels per unit! Oh wait...
@@RacingBrick Actually the functions is more and in the straight sense of it (I'm not talking about the funny gimmicks of the app). but that's because of the actual available elements. however the range and the fact it uses IR is the bad point.
Also the remote brick have only 2 channels but the fact that motors and other elements can be stacked is a good plus.
I mean if you want to use control + with two motors that does the same thing you still need an extra channel to do that, while the PF you could to that with its basic two channel IR module.
I prefer the new module in many ways, because it's the whole unit all by itself, however I don't like the fact it requires a smartphone to work and have no other way of control.
Sure a system like the control + is technically way better than what PF is. I mean the bluetooth element allows a lot of things to be done. Better range, better response time.
The actual motors are servos which means they have that flexibility right from the start.
however I think they should have kept the stackable element from PF, and keep it simple from a modding perspective ...
I think they should have made an app modular from the start which means people can mod the model right on
And I mean here to have control elements to set up with the lego app but well I think we should see more how the whole thing evolves ...
PF could have evolved too from what it is actually it's not like proportional control was unavailable from the system, the train IR remote allowed that, even if it wasn't the most practical thing to do.
They could have made a radio remote with 2 proportional levers and 4 buttons and a hub with 4 PF outlets and it would have been a major improvement already
My main complaint about the new system is that you don't have any remote (except for the powered up) and the connectors which doesn't allow any stacking.
For me both systems have their pros and cons and even if bluetooth is actually better in any conceivable way, the lack of actual modularity makes me kind of cold regarding this new system.
But PF wasn't that great at launch either I mean there was no remote and even the old 9V system allowed some remote with the wires despite them being shit ...
This is really the best way how to waste your hard earned money.. the new motors looks like a third party one. so stop wasting your money and invest in the old one!
The loud music is just so unnerving... I had to mute it to watch the video.
You have the possibility to mute the annoying music, I have the possibility to mute annoying comments, this is a fair game :)
@@RacingBrick A total word of wisdom...
bad review, by using gearing you alter the rpm to match but the torque is changed too.
Yeah I could just easily compare apples with oranges, couldn't I? The point of matching the RPM is to show the real difference in torque.
@@RacingBrick the correct way to compare is using a direct drive system with no gearing. its not a comparrision if your altering the output with gears.
@@slybunda if I compare them with a direct drive then the speed and the torque will be very different and it is difficult to compare the real performance. This is why most people thought for the first sight that the PU XL motor is much weaker than the PF one. In reality their torque is pretty much equal if you use gearing to compensate the internal gearing, that's exactly what I wanted to show.
Right where do I start, had to turn the music off. Just mind blowing monotonous crap.
Please leave your captions up heaps long so we can read then look to see what you are talking about.
I'll agree on the music part. not a fan, kinda boring. I will disagree on the caption statemen. Just pause the video and let those who read faster get on with their lives. No need to artificially inflate the runtime.
Pf 4 life
This is such a turn off. It seems like you need to buy 300$ of stuff. Just to find out what to buy!!!! Is this true? I'm a dad and I don't know what to do.
It really depends on what you want to achieve. For starters the easiest is to get a smaller set with Powered Up motors and hub (like 42109 or 42124) and explore the abilities. Then going forward you'll know better what you need for the next steps.
IM VERIFIED AFTER 100 SUBS IM LUCKY 🍀!!!!!!!!!!!!!