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- Is LEGO Powered up finally better than LEGO power functions? When the powered up system first came out, it was pretty awful, since you couldn't customize it at all. However, because the powered up system receives regular software updates, and ever since a recent update, it is now fully customizable, is it finally a good replacement for power functions?
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I personally still prefer the Power functions
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same even though i love the volvo and off road buggy
I love how lego has evolved. Its insane to see how they went from blocks, to gears and tech
The evolution of lego technic sets is pretty incredible :)
I agree, but I still think that by now it is just getting worse and worse.
@Odd Gaming The models are getting worse and worse. There is less technic in technic models. The modells cost way to much and the colors Lego now uses are terrible. In fact, Lego often can't even make a model with just one or two colors. And I am not talking about the structure and axles.
Just look at the Lego Technic Ferrari: It has no technical functions. The mirrors are a different kind of red than the rest of the body, it is ridiculusly overpriced, does not have any details and the few that it does have are because of stickers. And do not forget the giant hole in the middle.
And I am not even talking about Control+. It is more than ridiculusly overpriced and in my opinion, only got introduced, because Lego's designers forgot, how to use gears and mechanisms, what Lego technic was all about. And for such huge amounts of money they can't even give us a remote control for people, who do not have a smartphone (and the people who have a smartphone that is not compatible with the app)
And then compare that with the models of other Brick manufactures. Cada for example has a fully remote controlled Ferrari (no license, but it looks exactly like a Ferrari 458) with twice as many parts as the Lego Ferrari. And it is ridiculusly detailed without using stickers and does not have giant holes everywhere. The part quality is exactly as good as original Lego Bricks. And all of that for the same price. If you do not count shipping and so on, it even costs less. And do not tell me it's bad because it comes from China. Lego also produces in China!
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Powered up: Fight me
Power functions: lol nope
Ev3 and Spike prime sipping tea in the background: Wait, we're supposed to be fighting?
@Robert William the worse new version of the ev3 with worse and less functions than the ev3 (no display, other connections, no compatibility, less inputs/outputs,...)
I hate that lego retired power functions
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True. They would even make some more money if they didn't retire it
@@Tapitus-totalus Yeah and if they really didn't feel like making them then they could have licenced out making of them to other companies.
Maybe they should keep selling the power functions system, just, a bit longer
@@Unbrickme Yeah definately but unless there is much of a protest against retiring power functions i doubt it will happen.
You perfectly explained that the systems are for different use cases. Lego could have them both exist in parallel. Why they had to cancel the "older" system is really not explainable. The powered up system is more like a "Mindstorms Light" system. Mindstorms always existed independent of other simpler motorizations.
Personally i realy like the programming posibility of the powered Up system. I think powered Up is like a system more complex than power functions and more near to MINDSTORMS because of the programming.
It is more near to mindstorms, but not quite. You can't store programs on the hub itself. It os really more of a bluetooth controller as opposed to an actual processor in your model
@@Unbrickme I agree
I do not agree. In my opinion it takes away what Lego Technic was all about: The challenge of solving problems using gears and complicated mechanisms!
@@Unbrickme Unless you use the Large Technic Hub (Spike Prime/Mindstorms Intelligent Hub)
@@Unbrickme Perhaps there could be 3 systems:
1 Power Functions for basic functions, instant plug-and-play and physical controllers.
2 Powered Up for more advanced / customizable functions, at the cost of plug-and-play, increased screentime and a lack of phsycial controllers.
3 Mindstorms' for the most advanced / customizable functions, also at the cost of plug-and-play, increased screentime and a lack of phsycial controllers.
Also dont forget to mention that the PF system is downwards compatible with older 9V motors!
I just wish Lego would make a hub wie both PU and PF connectors. That would be a dream!
Also also I'm wondering, can you actually also stack the Robot Inventor/Spike Prime Hubs (not with eachother, but for instance connect two RI Hubs and control them with one program)? Since they got 6 ports and are relatively compact plus they run on rechargeable batteries.
Unfortunately you cannot connect more than one 51515 hub at the same time. But yeah power functions compatibility with the 9v system was absolutely incredible!!!
@@Unbrickme Do you know if in the future it'll be possible to connect to more 51515 hubs at the same time? Like has Lego made a statement about that?
Also is the hub limited to programms or is it possible to remote control it like the PU/Control + hubs?
I agree. A software-based system has a lot of potential, but it can easily run up against serious problems in reality. Although it's exciting that the Powered Up cables can carry both power and data, there is no stackability. Because Powered Up has specialized apps for each set, it also has an awful lot of incompatible hubs. Because Powered Up is intended to work with smartphone apps, there are a lot of features that simply can't be accessed without a compatible smartphone. Because Powered Up uses Bluetooth connectivity, it can receive signals from a greater distance, but also takes more work to set up and a lost connection shuts everything down. In short, Powered Up could have been great, but it isn't the successor to Power Functions I was hoping for.
i dont get why they simply didnt go for a canbuss system. that way you would be able to stack more slaves than you would ever need, it carries data, feedback and would be an easy solution. also a great tool to learn automation
9398: Watch this! and crawls right up a small rocky, ten foot hill
42099: Help!! I can't move!
Rumor has it that there will be a LEGO Death Star that Will have 11,000 pieces although people are thinking it’s gonna have an interior, but Im almost certain It will just be a Huge ball of Technic just like the UCS star destroyer and I know you guys love Technic as much as I do. I own a lot of expensive Technic sets.
Wow that set is gonna be epic!!!
It will be just like the real one..... never completed......
The last golden age of all connectors was in the 90's Light & Sound, MicroMotor, High effiency geared Motor and the initial Mindstorms RCX. After that no matter how advance the connectors had lot of limitations.
Well, the good news is, PV-Productions makes Converter Cables for combining both systems. Because of this, you can use the Bluetooth functionalities Powered UP Smarthubs and still keep the stackable cables from Power Functions.
True but then you lose control of the internal rotation sensor. It is still incredibly useful for cases like a dual motor drive, which with the converter cables would take up just 1 port, freeing up an extra port on the hub. Without the cables a dual motor drive would take up 2 ports.
I think they really need to go back to the days where you could easily upgrade lego technic sets with motors it just seems great for business and greater for builders.
I'm not sure how they will go in the future, but some Creator Expert/ 18+ sets are made to be enhanced with PUP.
we need another $30 powered up accessory box for easy motorization sort of like what we had with power functions
@@Unbrickme Personally I think that there are more important things like extension cables (maybe serving as adapter cables at the same time) and gamepad support for the powered up app but I guess that everyone has their own priorities
While I don't enjoy that you can no longer stack cables onto the battery box/hub, you can still put three motors and a pair of lights onto one Control+ Hub for a Lego Technic. You could probably even control the lights!!
My entire childhood was Power Functions, I love the system, especially the Servo motor😄
Programming is a game changer to me. You can write anything you want, you're only limited by your skills and imagination. It's much better than daisy chaning. To me, bluetooth is also much better than IR pilot, especially if you connect your DualShock controller. It's just insane what can be achieved right now thanks to Powered Up.
Hey man I've been checking out your videos, you make some great stuff. I was extremely skeptical about Powered Up when it first came out and I believe Lego could have done a better marketing job with it's debut, but after buying the off-road buggy this week I've changed my mind. I'm really looking forward to taking this buggy apart and doing all kinds of crazy experiments on my channel. I think the hub is too expensive though, especially for someone looking to buy it individually and not in a set. Hopefully we'll see some sort of Powered Up kit box with price reduction (like the old Power Functions motor set).
Also I hate to say I missed out on a few Power Function components. I hope I can get them in the second hand market one day. Even if they're getting phased out, playing with 'old' tech is always fun
Thank you vert much! Yeah I agree playing with old tech is very fun!
To me the biggest drawback to the powered up system is no dedicated handheld remote control. Controlling functions from a cell phone app is problematic.
it exist from train set
yes but in order to use that controller for anything besides tank style control, you need to use your mobile device and have it on the whole time you are controlling with a physical remote
@@Unbrickme Are you saying the Lego remote control with my mobile device can control the Liebherr 42100?
Yes
A few notes:
-The first "widely available" PUP set was the boost set from 2017. Also, there was The education WeDo 2.0 set in 2016 (so PUP turns 5 this year. But yes, back then the models weren't branded as powered up)
-You can store one python program at a time on the hub with pybricks
These things are awesome that you pointed out. I don’t consider the education set to be widely available but the boost set definitely was, so I maybe should’ve mentioned it, but at the same time, it wasn’t branded as powered up. Also, yes while you can store one python program at a time, it’s not something that lego offers natively. And I have a question for you. What does PUP stand for? I know it means powered up but what does the last P stand for? Powered Up P............
@@Unbrickme I agree about the education set and I noted that you said widely available to exclude it, but I wanted to mention it nontheless. Back then people spoke about LPF2.
Yep, lego doesn't offer it natively for now. But I think that it should not be forgot because it's really awesome (and it solves the "not enough hubs for lights" problem if you don't care about the price). There should be an update for the PUP app this year to include similar functionality.
PUP stands for P UP or Powered UP as far as I know. It sounds better than POU :D
Thank you very much for the insightful comments :)
I feel like both systems should exist next to one another although I can understand why LEGO discontinued Power Functions. People tend to prefer what they know and having both Power Functions and Powered Up exist next to one another might limit sales of the latter. In addition, it may be that we still have to get used to the new system. But still I think Power Functions will always outshine sets where less complicated rotations are sufficient. And there are a lot of good sets that meet that requirement out there. Let's not forget about the price tags.
I used to find it weird that powered up was less customisable than the Mindstorms mobile app.
I wonder if its possible to connect control+ hub, with not oryginal adapter cable to power up motors / or mold king motors. IF they dont loss a lot of power that way, it could be nice option to use good wifi app with mold king motors for example? (just using lego serco, as mould king dont have proportional servo)
do you think its possible to do it that way?
And plus of this configuration is mold king motors are cheaper, and you can link controllbrick 2 app with control+ and use xbox pad or sony pad for steering?
I personally would have preferred a middleground about the system.
I mean I'm not against the use of apps, because well some people made unofficial app controlled hubs for legos like buwizz.
However it used the original PF system which retains the whole stackable system.
Also things to be considered, having programmable hubs was something that lego already did in the past with technic.
But to me I think they should have used the same plugs instead of going towards a different plug and leave PF with some stuff like getting basic RC controls. while getting also more advanced sets with the new system.
I'm pretty sure this could have been a major upgrade and keep people happy.
Also I believe that they could introduce various switches and a new customizable remote with 6 controllable motors by default, and with the possibility to add on new controls.
They can make a hub with BT as a either an inset system or somthing that we have to buy if we want to replace our control system.
But I don't know it's a weird decision they took here.
Sorry I haven’t been commenting and watching your vids much. Been VERY busy with school
no worries :)
one thing to note, is that powerd up is 100% compatable with the new mindstorms without any adapter cables whatsoever.
I feel like PF is still better though, and I honestly think they could have just combined both mindstorms and PF with something like a 2.0 PF connecter with like, 10 pins instead of 4.
Why you didint notice such moments as: PF - iR remote which almost not working on sunlight, range of PF - is about 10 meters, you have to point to receiver, one pf hub 1 remote, you need to buy more hubs with more remotes, stucking a lot of motors on 1 channels will not give you adavantages, cause they will be controlled all at once, PUP working range can be 100 meters, you can set in app special function on each channel, proportional control, you can turn or giving gas very slowly or very fast. Not available on PF only full power or 0 power. If you dont like controling your set from smartphone you can use controller from train set... Maybe some more features. But for Me PF is really outdated system... Even PUP is outdated as for now, wish they have more ports like in new mindstorms. Also you dont need separate servo motor, all engines can be used as servo. ANd engines have tacho in them so for more advance features.
What I really wish I had was the 9398 and two XL motors to upgrade it.
It drives people to get the clone motors. I bought a few and realized they operate off 2.4 GHz RF instead of IR. RF is nicer in some respect because the range is much longer and it isn't line of sight. But IR is easy to hack and then use a microcontroller, like a arduuno, to decode and program. The newer clones are the powered up style and they offer all sorts of connectors and battery options. They run on RF and Bluetooth. I bought a few to see if I can hack the Bluetooth.
Like you said, it is personal choice and both have advantages and disadvantages. Good video thank you.
im glad you enjoyed the video
Ah, but it isn't! With Power Functions discontinued, no more choice! $40+ motors and limited supply for you!
PU is compatible with the new Mindstorms without needing any 3rd party adapters or software. That alone makes it better.
Also, the Mindstorms motors have internal angle tracking, which is incredible for programming.
However, you do sacrifice some raw power for more control.
This is basically a situation of if ain’t broke don’t fix it
Dont forget that the battery hubs of.the power up have sensors somthing powered function dint had. Same for the motors.
The price isnt that wierd, yes it is high but not wierd.
We actually got some power functions sensors with the wedo 1.0 system set number 9580
I want to get into technic but im not sure what to do, any suggestions?
If I were making a scene I'd choose pf however if I were making a remote control vehicle I'd go with pu
for scene you can take 2 batteries and connect some leds, you dont need controllers at all. Or just use arduino)))
@@DimaLegoFUN yes but if I were doing one or the other and those were my options that's what'd I'd do
Can someone use PU motors for robotic applications? Are they different to the ones used in Spike or Robot Inventor?
i 100% think power functions is way better than powered up. and i love your channel your topics you discus is very interesting than most youtubers.
Can you teach 7:22 all buttons for what? Can you make any video for tutorial all button powered up? (sry for english)
The pf stuff was turn on and play but with pu you have to connect to phone or controller to play you cant just flick on a switch and play and also the no bluetooth hub is not widespread yet
Another thing I want to point out: I know you gave the recent powered-up app updates a glowing review, but keep in mind that Lego has a downright terrible track record when it comes to maintaining software over time. Years from now, the app is gonna be discontinued, and we'll be left with a bunch of expensive paperweights with no way to control them.
Even without the risk of app depreciation, I'm still not a fan of having to use a smart phone to play with my Lego. I like using Lego as a way to take a break from the computer screen, not having to stare at one even more.
I do agree with you about not having to use a screen when playing with lego. It is one of the main reasons why I really don't like digital instructions. I spend a lot of time behind a computer screen and LEGO is one of the only ways I get to take a break. Still, I do appreciate the coding possibilities of powered up, even if they're way more limited than mindstorms
I also heard, but not sure if it is true, that you must switch on location setting on your phone. If you do not do this, app wont work.
For me that goes to far, I dont want Lego to know where I am, that is non of their business.
Whatsup S I use both the powered up app and control+ app pretty frequently I never got a “would you like this app to use your location” notification
Basically the only improvement when it was released was it using Bluetooth rather than infrared
I think than power functions are still better. It wass very close for me but the high price of powered up gave the win to pf.
I think that it is also important to look at LEGO compatible parts such as sbrick and buwizz.
yeah the new system is just too expensive
I've already watched 2 of your videos and I love them and therefore, I subscribed
Thank you very much :)
Personally, I still love my Mindstorms brain, with Mindstorms and powerfunctions motors. I can use the smartphone app, or literally build my own remote. Using the bigger screen of my PC to program it all. Or still use my tablet to do some simpler programing.
What I'd dying for is a LEGO made set of connections for across systems. Although I accept that might be argued as a financial loss for them.
Excuse me, I have a question. In which website were you viewing the motors, battery 🔋 blocks?
No website, it is a combination of images I put together in editing
I like the new system, but there are two main issues I have with it. First, lack of easy connections for lights or alternative batteries. Second - the price - it's just insanely expensive.
I hope they will upgrade programming blocks. Their availability is very inconsistent within the app. The app itself also takes lots of power from a device. I noticed high power drain in mindstorms app too, so I guess it won't be fixed soon (or never).
i did conversion to 2c lipo 7.4volts from 6xAA batteries., easy but you need 3d printer)
Which one do I need to control speed?
I actaully found a pretty cheap PU hub for only 23 bucks... and a motor for only 17 bucks... should i buy it?
I found the 42095 for 60€ (like 65$) and i bought it. It has power functions
Take the old Power Functions, and add the SBricks on it, you get the programmable functions AS WELL as the infinitely stackable elements.
true but power functions motors don't have internal rotation sensors
@@Unbrickme Easily fixable with the PF WeDo sensors though.
The fact that lego M motors cost $45 now sucks, power functions was cheaper, and (in my opinion) better, now you really have to get them from people that are not lego of you want something that's not more then $40
I cannot objectively say what's better as I am quite new to Lego Technic and so far I am using only Power Up system with my new Volvo 6x6 hauler.
But as a technical guy and a software engineer I can say that I feel much much much more potential from Power Up. Yes, currently there are some limitations, but I think it's only a question of time. The revolution done, now it's time for evolution. Two days ago in some video (10 things Lego needs to introduce) @Unbrickme mentioned automatic transmission or real clutch mechanism. I thing both these things could be easily introduced using PowerUp system by combination of some electronic piece together with software handling using PowerUp Hub.
I have a question for you, did you use the mindstorms system? I' just curious since you mentioned you are a software engineer
@@Unbrickme Not yet. I have experimented with similar system at university and created some AGV robot etc. And once time at work we played with Lego Boost which one of my workmates brought to work. But it's not my cup of tea. I prefer building models from standard bricks. But it's really nice Lego goes this way as well. It has potential.
Thank you for making this video over the others in the other ones
no problem. This video did win the poll :)
@@Unbrickme you're my favorite lego TH-camr
Thank you very much! I’m flattered
@@Unbrickme no problem:)
please tell me what's the website at 0:46
This was a really great video. I learned a lot about these systems and after watching this I probably prefer power functions.
I’m glad you enjoyed my video :)
My receivers and remotes are dying where can I buy some more power func
As a participant at lego technic contests, I am firmly on the side of PF. PU/C+ has a lot of potential, but at least for now, it cannot compete with PF. All the disadvantages of PF are just nuisances compared to what the PU/C+ cannot do. For beginners and non-technic people the "phone controlled creations" are hip and awesome, but in reality, they take away a lot of creativity and freedom. Yes, PU/C+ allows you to make the motor go back and forward at a certain speed and angle with your phone, but with PF you can make anything form a small city vehicle (yes, you heard me, city scale RC vehicle) to a motherfreaking huge truck with excessive amounts of motors without having to invest a lot into PU/C+ control units and a phone. PU/C+ removed some of the ingenuity, skill and creativity required to motorize functions and replaced them with an app.
What should LEGO have done? Easy. Make a bluetooth (app controlled) alternative to the IR receiver*, with the necessary updates to the motors, lights and what not. It would have been complicated for a while, just like it was with the V2 receiver, but we would have figured it out. What LEGO has done here, is shooting themselves in the foot, and showing a middle finger to the AFOLs. We're not gonna buy the new system because it's not yet "finished" and it's expensive AF, and the PF components are becoming more and more expensive due to scarcity. Even if a second hand M motor reaches 20$ it will still be cheaper than switching over to PU/C+
*literally Sbrick but with higher quality
Yeah Power functions was great for making very small vehicles.I do wish powered up was much cheaper. It's very difficult now to make large creations. To take full advantage of powered up, you'd need to buy 4 hubs and 16 motors, so that's: 90*4+40*16 = 1,000 That's 1,000 dollars! Insanely expensive!!! With the power functions system it was a lot cheaper to make larger creations, and so larger creations became a lot easier to make
You cannot stack a lot of power functions components because of low current rating of the batteries in battery box
I believe someone somewhere did a mod where they battery box was directly connected to an AC wall outlet
there is a limit, yes, though you can stack battery boxes in paralell (preferably the old 9V actually, makes things easier)
I am not agree. You can make a simple profile using powered up app and use it for a lot of different models without nany changes. I think in the future powered up Will be better, abd i hope that this will be soon. I can't wait;)
Good point, software updates can make the powered up system better technologically, but I will always have much more nostalgia for the power functions system
@@Unbrickme I think that nostalgia is not fact to hate PUP
I never said I hate Powered Up
@@Unbrickme you understood what i mean, i not already good in English
My main problem is thst there is no good physical remote. I know there is a physical remote, but it is crappy.
If PU has powerful output much more than PF. it will be definitely better than PF
Great video. Power functions the simplicity of it all is genius
Thanks! Do you prefer the simplicity of power functions? or do you like the powered up system more?
@@Unbrickme power functions
Ironic that even in 2022 the various Lego Masters TV shows still use Power Functions for the contestants to power their creations.
Yeah that’s strange
Wait, you guys don't cut all your cables and run them with Arduino?
Powered up is great for trains, other wise power functions for the win. (I am saying this because power functions needs the receiver, and that takes up space.) I know this because I have 3677 and 60198.
I disagree, I think power functions is MUCH better than Powered Up for trains. In powered up trains, the train will stop IMMEDIATELY after it goes outside the remote’s or smart device’s range. That’s absolutely terrible for large train layouts. Power functions trains ran indefinitely even if they did not receive a signal from the remote
@@Unbrickme I am talking about most people. my friend has a gigantic train layout (90 x 20) taking up his whole basement, he has no problems.
Is power up motors and accessories compatible with 51515 hub?
Yes
I honestly just like regular legos. I don’t really like the power stuff, but to people who do, your vids must help them!
Its me fake tech here, I just changed the name since the name sucked : (
@@aboveaveragebluesenjoyer9953 oh hi! Been a long time since you commented :) how are you?
@@Unbrickme I’m good, you?
Random YT Watcher pretty good too
@@Unbrickme nice, I got a new drone.
I think the Powered Up system is better for trains because it's more elegant without the ugly IR receiver. For Technics I would prefer PF.
For me, I definitely prefer power functions for trains, since in powered up, as soon as the train is out of your phone’s range, it just stops, which isn’t good for large lego train layouts
I like the bluetooth ability, but HATE the conector, can't stack.
It's lego damnit.
I see you're also a fan of the Energizer Lithium batteries.
Yep, they’re the best
For some weird reason you can buy the control + hub new on bricklink for about 20 euros.
The powered up motors are cheap too, the L Motor sells for about 15 euros.
It's interesting how theyre sold so cheap on bricklink. The official retail price is much higher. I wonder how the sellers are able to make money
@@Unbrickme the are just selling off the Hubs of the volvo and Liebherr they bought to part out.
i just want a way for things i make to spin without having to boot up an expensive hub and phone
I was wondering if I could get some help. I have never used motors before. I'd like to use a motor in a design but I want it to turn on and off, unattended, say every 5 minutes, or 15 minutes, whatever. Is that possible, or are these motors only designed to be always on or off?
That function can be achieved using a powered up motor and the main powered up 4 port hub
@@Unbrickme could the 2 port (88029 - It is cheaper) do the same?
Yes
But it’s 88009
@@Unbrickme thanks.
I've put a lot of efforts to uncover the marvel of programming in Powered Up applications. It's much deeper than it seems. As sad as it may be Lego discontinued old good PF and sooner or later it'll sink in the past unless kept up by 3rd parties. Aliexpress presents clones of random qualitiy. :) I'm a fan of programming and I have faith in the PU electric. Software gets updated on regular basis, new hardware appears. All in all it's promising but just needs a little more brain, so to speak, to get a firm grip on it.
I completely agree with you, although powered up is still incredibly limited in terms of coding. Mindstorms is much better for more advanced coding. Programming some basic feedback controllers on the powered up system always results in my phone overheating, since it essentially has to constantly send signals back and forth, instead of just storing the program on the hub itself
@@Unbrickme There's no contradiction in that. :) MS is for advanced coding for sure but there are not many advanced coders among Technic fans. PU has already replaced PF and people have to buy sets with PU electric anyway. It grows in numbers, while MS stays on the same level - in schools, clubs and in possession of rare advanced coders. If a person gets into PU programming the chance for him or her to advance to Mindstorms level grows as well! Compatible PU/newMS parts help greatly in that. The only drawback of this nice bright picture, as I mentioned before, is that people have to put more brain into it from the start, got initially interested in coding. That's why I walk around and praise PU so much. :) It took 13 educational videos to cover all features and tricks found in PU 3.6.0.
@@dmitrymilyokhin2797 You make fair points, and I agree that people can easily become interested in coding because of powered up. It's also much cheaper than mindstorms so its more accessible to more people. My main issue with powered up is really the coding limitations. You can't give custom names to variables and the amount of usable variables is limited. Still, powered up coding is much more advanced than was ever achievable with power functions. It's just not on the same level as mindstorms. What I really appreciate about mindstorms spike prime is that it is now possible to directly connect the spike prime hub to all lego technic creations and powered up motors. Such small motors now have internal rotation sensors (yes EV3 had the medium motor but the powered up motors are even smaller than that one)
4:47 is it just me or is the powered up xl motor just Power functions M motor but studless?
Power Functions has my vote.
I would of added a no geared down motor. Like the 4.5 volt motor from the 80's.
Nice comparison! I think the 9V system was the best. You could stack motors and change the direction of the motor spin by simply rotating the power cable by 90* and while you could not do wireless things were just so much more straightforward.
Yeah the 9v system was also epic! It was also compatible with RCX, meaning you could do advanced programming with the 9v system! you also had the micrometer and the buggy motor and the legendary RC system
One "problem" was, that you can combine the elements so that you can reach higher voltage because the flexibility of the connections. This is not possible with the power functions
And power functions can be made compatible with old power systems.
I say that the Powered up system is good if you are going to make one big vehicle based project, but powered up is better for things that are huge like cities and location builds like that.
I think that the two systems are useful for different applications
@@Unbrickme ye I agree.
Where did you buy it?
The electronics? Most of them came from the LEGO store
Ayo what if lego saw this vid and added them together 😳😳😳😳😳😳
power functions all the way, i have been testing the generic pf motors from Aliexpress and im quite impressed with the quality
Does anyone know where I can buy power functions L motor
Does the lego l motor need battery cause I have a chargeable battery box and does the chargeable battery box olso need battery ?
The motor connects to the battery box
Oh okay thanks man and love your vids and I got a fake lego 8878 battery box
I would be fine with swiching over to powered up, if it wasnt for the price.
Also: does anyone have a problem with the servo function of the new motors?
Because for a very fast car for example u need to have precise steering. And the pu
motors have this annoying thing where they wiggle around by themselves when steering and it ruins it. Makes yourcar go all over the place. Also its a little glitcy sometimes it randomly turs by itself until u tell it otherwise.. Its horrible.
Hmmm it shouldn’t wiggle when returning to center. Are you using the special return to center steering block?
@@Unbrickme well.. im not using the lego app since it doesnt have conttoller support. Or it might be because of me using rechargable and lipo batteryes cause even if i use normal batteryes it doesnt do it. Thats why i think its not the app's fault Anyway, heres my demonstration: th-cam.com/video/Gms4UWQ5fOA/w-d-xo.html
I use the brickcontroller 2 app btw
answer: nope, pf has a special place in my heart.
Same
6:40 that hurt to watch I can only imagine the scratches ugh it makes me cringe
(me over here with using 3d printed parts to adapt hobby grade parts with my lego)
You can use the buwizz app (not legacy)
yep
To be honest about the price difference of Power Functions, I think you need to consider that the product isn't current, and the prices of what remains available have increased.
Pricing aside, I have never been a real fan of Power Functions:
Starting with that awful connector; sure you could stack them, but you could also stack the older 9V connectors, and easily connect them into other bricks for support.
Now you need to add an adapter cable just to use an otherwise perfectly compatible motor, pole reverser, or battery box.
With Powered Up, there is a lot of future potential, but it seriously lacks some passive components. We need:
The 88015 Passive Battery Box; I want some of these really bad, but they are not available in the U.S.
Powered Up Extension cables
Well thought-out in-line (low friction) Pole Reverser and Momentary Switches (perhaps they could be combined)
Currently I feel stuck with Power Functions in some of the MOCs I have. I cannot make them current (no obsolete parts) with Powered Up yet.
If I can get the 88015 Battery Box in hand, that might change.
they shouldnt have started pu they shouldve kept the pf system/motors but instead added new types of motors and added some sort of pf advanced hub or something that worked like the pu hub they couldve kept the new software kept the old motors added new motors like old ones but with new functionalities like the pu motors and everyone would be happy.
yeah i agree
Power functions is just better overall, it was never broken.
In my opinion power functions with buwizz (and buwizz app) are the best solution. The motors have more speed and torque than normal power funciotns or powered up motors. Moreover you get the buwizz app which gives lots of options. It's unbeatable :)
power functions with buwizz is awesome! I may buy buwizz someday but I never did because its not genuine lego. But I've watched videos about buwizz and it looks awesome! buwizz with powered up probably has the higher voltage benefits but also has the rotation sensor feedback
@@UnbrickmeI think buwizz was created by lego fans who, just like you and me, wanted more from the lego motors :) So we can treat it as an extension of Lego ;) By the way i really like your clips and I see that you put all your heart into Lego Technic - just as I try :) You should definitely try buwizz :) I have just finished the motorization of Dom's Dodge with buwizz, 2 PF L motors, servomotor and leds and it's really fast :)
Maciej Zarzycki thank you very much :)
Great video! But you didn't mention the 3rd party controllers / apps. With these and pf you can achieve pretty much the same functionality as with PU ...... except for the internal rotation sensors and someone other input systems.
And yes, you can connect up to 4 PU hubs = 16 motors/sensors, BUT = 360 $ !!!! For example, Sbrick, that also has 4 ports (but 2 stackable) costs "only" 70$ and you can connect up to 16 of them = 64 independent motors!! (For comparison, 4 Sbricks is only 280 $ plus you save more on buying PF motors. Even after retiring, they're still cheaper than PU ones. I listened to you and bought some more motors, when they come, I will probably do an RC mod for 42068)
I couldn't agree more
I didn't want to take into account the third party options for these electric systems since I only wanted to look at the genuine lego components. S brick is definitely a cheaper alternative.
@@Unbrickme It´s ok. I just feel that it adds more points to Power functions
I have used power functions in my coding class, and i have powered up at home. They are BOTH great!
I agree, they are both great
I wanted to buy powered up too, but its really expensive. I think i will buy 42095 set to have the pf parts
I’m pretty sure you can connect up to 8 hubs at once so that’s 32 ports.
bluetooth is limited to 4 connections
@@Unbrickme I thought it was 8 because Markus Kossmann said in this interview with Sariel at 8:15 - th-cam.com/video/YvUEPDDupfE/w-d-xo.html
You didn't mention that power up motors have absolute positioning
They simply have internal rotation sensors, not absolute positioning
Yes,they do.Try rotating them by one degree
The gearing in the motors have slack,so try hearing the motors instead.
gb chang I think you mean relative positioning, but it’s not absolute positioning
You can try reading LEGO’s website
The power funchion box is 90 dollar because it is a small computer
The real question is how is he getting an xl motor for 10$
I still don’t get how you only have 5.73k subs
thank you very much :)
But the prices