Nissan X-Trail Vs Toyota RAV4 | Can The New X-Trail Beat This Favourite Hybrid SUV? | Drive.com.au
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Toyota’s hybrid RAV4 has reigned supreme in Australia for four glorious years, but a challenger has appeared. Can the Nissan X-Trail e-Power knock the Toyota off its throne?
00:00 Introduction
00:51 Pricing & Specifications
02:24 Hybrid Explainer
03:45 RAV4 Interior
9:33 X-Trail Interior
14:52 RAV4 2nd Row
17:00 X-Trail 2nd Row
20:48 X-Trail Boot
23:19 RAV4 Boot
25:07 Safety
26:03 RAV4 Driving
35:18 X-Trail Driving
47:56 Servicing
50:04 Summary
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My brother hired an RAV4 Hybrid and was underwhelmed.
In January we both drove the X Trail Ti E Force and were blown away by the serene and responsive driving experience plus levels of finishes and equipment.
He took delivery a week ago. Fabulous.
His wife has a 2021 RAV4 petrol.
The X Trail does seem like a larger car in urban driving.
Great review - balanced & comprehensive - well done
Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching.
Great detailed review guys, thanks
No worries happy you liked it Steve!
I have done over 1800km on my Ti-L e-power and the average fuel consumption is 5.5l/100km overall, mainly urban Sydney driving.
It is purely depends on how you drive the car. I got low as 3.4l/100km on some trips say nearly 35km driving.
One thing I notice is it is quite sensitive to climbing up as I notice very low fuel consumption to city but on the way back it can get closer to 6l/100km.
My Toyota hybrid is not that sensitive like the Xtrail.
I think both cars are very nice cars but the Xtrail feels more premium. I am sure Toyota will catch up with the internal upgrades.
As for the engine noises on both cars, you will get used to it. I hardly hear it unless first thing in the morning for both Nissan and Toyota hybrids when it’s cold.
does your car also use 95 petrol and has no spare tyre?
Very good review 🙏 Thanks for your time. Just a few minor things. The hands free liftgate is on the left hand side of X-Trail and not the center. That's why it didn't open on the first try. The other thing is the music in the background. It's a bit distracting to be honest. And the video can be divided into sections (TH-cam allows you to do that). Other than that, pretty informative.
Great review . btw what was the song that kept coming on
It seems to me that Nissan has understated their fuel economy figure. My Xtrail is consistently averaging well under 6 l/100kms and with a nicer/smoother driving experience than a RAV4.
Nice and thorough review, who's the artist singing in background? I'd like to buy that song if I buy a Nissan Rogue Stateside.
Nice review
Thanks!
fantastic review
Thank you!
Its like comparing a 2000 car with modern car. Toyota and its shittiest plastic is unacceptable at this age. Yes, Hybrid is good , but any day I would take the xtrail for the additional 2l usage for 100km given the quality of car it is. I've owned a T31 Xtrail for a decade and have gone far and wide of Aus and have never let me down.
Rav 4 is for penny pinchers !!
Fantastic Pummyy I hope your enjoying your vehicle 🚗
Cool! Would be good to have time stamps
After seeing this x-trail why on earth would anyone pick a rav4.
Nissan has had alot of battery problems in their leaf electric cars, also it's not as efficient in fuel consumption as the rav4, but the interior quality of the Nissan is really tempting
Because they are more reliable and better resale.
Fuel consumption, service costs and the much longer warranty are my main reasons for still considering the RAV4 over the X-Trail.
Primarily, spare tyre
Also, efficiency, reliability, driving range and wider service network in remote parts of Australia
The reliability is an old thing now for the Toyota. They are not as reliable as they were.
Worth noting that the while the x trail does use more fuel its also a lot more powerful. I know its mentioned that the rav 4 has slightly higher kw output but in reality the x trail has much more torque and is much faster. Xtrail 0 to 100km in around 6.5 seconds as opposed to just over 8 seconds for the rav
Exactly. They should've highlighted this obvious point more clearly for prospective buyers.And what about the sticker price as well? The X is just an overall better deal for the buck on my book.
Have a cry over 1.5 seconds like seriously dude 1.5 seconds is NOTHING
@@kennard4806How? Uses more fuel, 95 octane min and more expensive servicing with short intervals
Thanks for your review, I changed my mind total about X Trail after seeing this Video, it is really nice car
Thanks for watching. There's a lot to like about the X-Trail, definitely worth a look if you're looking for a medium SUV.
Very helpful informative video review and well presented, I've still not decided on my next car, I'd like a plugin hybrid but the expense is hard to justify. Looking like I'm going to have to be patient and wait for the 2025 Rav4 hybrid, Cheers..
You'll get that in 2026 or 2027 😄
@@kanishkajayaweera7882 2026 series 6 with an option of PHEV if it comes to Aus. My first Toyota and the best car dealer I have ever used - Cheers
heart says x-trail, brain says rav 4
Accurate
Go with your heart 🫶 nothing to regret
Thanks for sharing. Is this independent review of both cars or are you inclined towards either company?
Thanks for watching. All our editorial reviews, including this one, are free from influence and are entirely independent. - Kez
I choose the Nissan X-trail and it is just amazing thanks a lot this video really helped me with which car was better for me
That's great news. Enjoy your new X-trail. Glad to hear our video was useful.
- Kez
I keep expecting the MPG of the Nissan to get better. 6.5L /100Km would be acceptable for a hybrid. I think it's the battery size, of it wer just that much higher capacity the engine would be off for longer and the slight increase in weight should be negligible.
Fantastic review and what a duo, well done guys. I do have some shorts of the xtrail propilot parking on my page if your from 🇬🇧 this is standard spec from tekna grade - really nice to have this when you are utilising E-pedal step to regenerate battery 🪫 🔋
I still love the sporty look of the rav 4
"I'm a bit shorter than you" Who's he trying to kid. Good comparison thank you. X-Trail FTW.
Wow! What a great review. I picked the Nissan
Thanks :)
Yes.. seems to come down to what you want.. Decisions decisions.
As these are both family vehicles driving from Sydney to Melbourne would equate to less than $20 difference in fuel consumption. Factor that compared to how much you would pay in snacks for the family during that trip. Fuel consumption at that level is not worth worrying about especially with the overall price of these vehicles.
And the full EV drive train of the X-trail, its a winner.
Look, I appreciate you guys have done a hybrid review and I know you pointed it out at the start but you are comparing the old model RAV4.
When running through things like tech, including things like 360 camera, dash ect the old model is light years behind the current vehicle. For the record the ‘current’ model has been on Australian roads since late Nov early Dec, so certainly not new. I’m shocked there is still not a single review on the ‘23 spec.
Another comparison you should talk about is the overall outside look of the cars. The RAV would have to be hands down winner in that surely.
Anyway, cheers for the long review, I really enjoyed it.
I think they already mentioned the reason which is you need to wait 12-18 months to get a new car from Toyota.
I've owned my 2020 RAV4 Hybrid now since new, and I have to say I barely notice when the engine kicks in when accelerating from a standstill. Yes you can notice it - JUST. I don't find it annoying or noisy in anyway, as it seems to be in this review. Same with when it stops and starts while driving, barely noticeable. I'm also averaging between 4.5 and 4.8 litres/100km with combined highway and around town, but I'm also very easy on the throttle. The best I've achieved on a 35km trip is 3.9l/100km which I find is amazing! I think the much higher running costs of the X-Trail would be a big turn off for me, especially the fact you have to use premium fuel!
Probably you enjoy the shittiest plastic in modern cars and the decade old infotainment system. If all that you care is fuel usage and don't appreciate quality, RAV 4 is for you !!
Yes a good taxi
@@jonathenschwartz3019 Indeed! They are extremely popular for that, especially in the US. It's what makes them THE best hybrid on the market, hence why the wait times are so long.
@@jonathenschwartz3019 I agree 100% . for a taxi its a perfect vehicle. just perfect.
Thanks for the review. Personally prefer the looks of the Xtrail much more to the RAV. However i also find the average petrol efficiency for the X Trail varies considerably. Ive seen other reviews where they quote 6.3litres per 100km. Could it depend on how you drive the Xtrail for example using one pedal mode 🤔
For sure it will depend on the driver. E pedal is good around town, once you get used to it. B pedal is good on the highway. In general the D mode, the default, is the easier to get right and it still does regen and takes less thinking. I take delivery of mine at the end of June and I will try to remember to update.
@@johns2262 what's your update on this?
@@iamdartk Hi. I ended up taking delivery 7 weeks ago. I decided to get the Napa leather version instead.
Varies. On the highway I get better economy than I did in my previous generation diesel X Trail. Using B pedal and economy mode is very good, but to be honest it is so fun to drive I admit I sacrifice a little to drive in the standard mode.
Around the town you really need to use e pedal AND economy driving mode to get good consumption. However, even in the most lazy mode (standard, regular drive) it does better than my old diesel by a lot.
Between 4-5 if using e pedal and economy mode around town. If you don't use e pedal or economy mode you will get mixed results. Sometimes very good, sometimes like 9l per 100 and you can never quite figure out why.
I often use taxis around the town and they are almost all toyota prius. They run on near empty and I didn't see anyone with better than 4.2/100 around the city. So, I think the x trail is fine.
It's fun to drive, much faster. more comfortable and more economical than the previous generation model. I'm satisfied with the buy.
Pick my xtrail e4orce tomorrow, 17000k on the clock. Was about to by brand new, finance sorted but found this 1 on a lot on the way home. It's 15k cheaper and has a tow bar, very happy
@@fate2decide21 I checked out reviews on the hybrid X-Trail and a review noted 1.8 tonne towing capacity, which is a lot for a hybrid. A 90 series Prado 3.4 litre V6 has a towing capacity of 1840kg. Hybrids have issues with extra weight behind due to their energy recovering while braking. The design of the X-Trail must handle that issue better than the unique (and very clever) Toyota gearbox design. Bummer on the X-Trail is its premium fuel requirement. That adds 10% to the fuel economy.
I will still go for Nissan X-trail it looks nice
X trail no spare tire is a little issue though really but seems nice
My E4orce 5 seater N-connecta is due in England on 23rd June!
Hope your loving it 🎉
The Rav4 is average but the engine noise, 95 petrol, high running cost and no spare type are the reasons why i wouldn't pick the x-trail.
I have xtrail epower.. I thing I can assure that you have full electricpower.. instant torque no weird noises.. just power 214 houser power!!
How on earth did you get to 8L/100Km with the X-Trail? We've been punishing this thing over 2000Km through the Alps, covering between 600 and 1200 meters of vert on a daily basis, pretty much the most demanding scenario for any car (My old 4x4 Diesel with 150Hp would give me 10L/100Km under the same conditions), coming home with 7.6L/100Km over all. On 850Km of German Autobahn we averaged 6.6L/100Km and on overland streches we got as low as 5.2L/100Km. Given the size of this car and the power it has, this is super good.
Agreed
Can Nissan remember the e-pedal or you have to turn on at every ride?
Agreed , we drove ours from the midlands in the uk to Paris and back on one tank of fuel
So true. Test drove both, and I chose the X-Trail flagship Ti-L. The interior and exterior styling of the RAV 4 are stuck in the early 2015s. The X-Trail is a modern and premium vehicle. Your fuel economy figures are incorrect. My petrol X-Trail has excellent fuel efficiency on premium petrol. Despite its larger size, it is extremely economical.
Could you lower the front passenger seat in the Edge?
I don’t care about manual or electric, I just need to have the ability to adjust that front passenger seat!
I was set on a XSE but was told there was no height adjustability 🥺
There's no height adjustment for the passenger seat in the RAV4 Edge.
Can Nissan remember the e-pedal or you have to turn on at every ride?
it may be a good idea to know where red lights are so you can avoid them susannah
Nissan X-Trail easy choice. So much more impressive package!
I don't understand the e4orce. Why turbo?
Nissan should've put 2 speed gearbox on a front motor. Done correctly it would made a difference in efficiency
I know what I’d sooner be driving on a road trip or in 5 years time, it’s not a Nissan with no spare.
if you want an AWD hybrid car in the next 3 months, pay $$$$ on top of the x-trail ti price by jumping into the private flipper/dealer flipper market for a rav4 that risks depreciating faster if Toyota balance stock and demand. That amount of +$$$$ buys a lot of extra fuel and servicing.
just checked as of May 2023 cheapest "new" rav4 equivalent to x-trail (GXL AWD hybrid) not in black is $64k driveway from a dealer flip. That is $10k up on GXL driveway list price.
Why do you need to use premium unleaded to run essentially a generator to charge the batteries in the Nissan.
might be the VC engine - makes sense that at low compression a higher octane would be required? total guess though!!!!
Variable Compression Engine
Mmm. Yes, outdoorzie, i concour.
l, like many others can't afford to buy new, so l am faced with having to buy second-hand cars that l perceive will live at least another 10 more years. l am also seeing Nissan finally building a better product than they have been for a while now. Of these two l would still choose the Toyota because the expected life is going to exceed 20 years and Nissans have history of product failure within 10 years..... and the relentless threat of entire company failure would steer me away from the X-Trail. The updated interior is great in the X-Trail though.
The X Trail E Force and regular X Trails have stormed ahead in sales.... Chasing the long held lead of the RAV 4
the e-power seems to work better in a lighter car, like 4l/100
How much to replace the batteries, no reviewers mention this,
Because its basically irrelevant,. They last the life of the car.
Please check Nissan's claim of a one to two month delivery time. I ordered a Ti-L model in late March and they said it will arrive in October - almost 7 months!
They did mention it varies between which city you're in...
also depends on color you choose, i ordered the sunset orange with black roof last november, still have not got any idea when would it be arrived
I ordered mine in March and its due in England on 23rd June! so thats 3 months for me - unless anything happens to the ship!
@@tonyhowell5283 probably irrelevant here as this is an aussie channel
I ordered my Ti-L early April & was told September/October delivery. I ordered the Red with Tan interior & am in Perth.
Here in Norway the Rav4 cost about 12k More than x trail that's with highest trim on both
Rav4 all the way. Our hot 200K last week. Can not complain - the fuel econamy is still in 5 L to 100KM.
Please say anybody. Can xtrail ride 150 km/h during 1-3 hours on a highway?
i will never understand why reviewers in Australia always mention the heating seats as being a nice thing to have. Wouldnt be more usefull to have cooled seats in that area of the world ? How many months of cold weather do you have in Australia? Damn, you make me angry ! Heated seats are cheaper to produce. At least for the front seats , cars that are sold in 80% of the world should give you the cooled seats option from base models!! Earth is heating more and more each year.
It depends where you live in Australia. Many places get cold weather in winter.
Thredbo in New South Wales averages 0°C in winter and the lowest recorded temperature was -23°C in Charlotte Pass, New South Wales.
Yes it would make sense to have ventilated seats in cars sold in Australia, but there’s definitely an argument for heated seats too.
Presumably that’s why the Kia Sportage is popular there as it has both options.
X-Trail is a clear winner, just needs to improve its servicing costs, way too high. Would be nice to see a e-Power with a 10-15kWh battery and plug in. That way you are unlikely to need much Petrol in everyday use.
The most important thing these vehicles have in common is they're from Japanese manufacturers, which is THE bonus when spending such a large amount of money.
And although they both have the heritage the Toyota Corp IMO, is head a shoulders above Nissan as far as their vehicles are concerned.
The review was going well for Nissan until the the fuel figures were revealed.
The Nissan figures were a real shock to me.
If accurate, why would you overlook the Toyota.
Ok, if you can't wait you may not have a choice but, gee wiz, fuel economy is a major reason you buy a hybrid isn't it?
Nissan absolutely lied to you about those wait times. You might get a non-ePower XTrail in that time but we ordered an ePower in March 2023 and were told 6-8 months then and latest ETA is into next year - so more like 12 months.
Here in suburban Melbourne in Jan 24 < 1 week delivery
Yeah thats not how ordering a new car works. If thats the ETA you're being told than its for another customers order or floor stock.
@@craigmonty FTG Nissan have hybrid X Trails in stock - check out their website
For electric cars...Nissan is better than Toyota ....but for hybrid cars ,,,Toyota is better than Nissan, Honda, Mazda, hyundai, KIA, and the other brands 😊😊
No mention about the elastic CVT transmission and motor roar in the Rav4? It's terrible.
Head to the 26-minute mark, where we talk about the engine gruffness. The elastic CVT issue doesn't really present itself in the the RAV4 Hybrid, certainly noticeable in petrol models, but the extra torque from the electric motors disguises it well.
- Kez
Find this review really helpfull and interesting. Have to say though, using music with lyrics while you are talking is a huge turn off... really disturbing for me.
Glad you liked the review, and thanks for the feedback. We're always keen to know what you think.
RAV4 looks way better from outside, but Nissan looks way better inside
The X-Trail doesn't suit gold, but what does? Try a darker colour.
So are you saying it does have regenerative braking? I suppose it couldn't have?
Nissan definitely does have regenerative braking 2 levels b mode and e pedal mode
2022 Rav 4. Not a new 2023 which has the whole interior updated... Why compare apples to oranges. 🤷
The interior update is relatively minor, and we've called out the key differences. Unfortunately, while we requested the MY23 from Toyota they were unable to supply one so we had to make do with the 2022 version.
Does this come in 7 seats?
You can get the X-Trail as a seven-seat model, but only with the petrol engine - not as a hybrid. The RAV4 only comes as a five-seater.
I just bought an X-Trial Ti-L.
If fuel economy is the only advantage in Rav 4, why waste 18 months waiting for a car. (FYI you probably will change your partners by then, who knows!)
I will have 18 more memories before you get your hands on the Rav 4, Plus the Luxury.
Xtrail for me
Ok!❤🙋
Motorists will spend thousands to save alittle fuel.
$2000? or $2700? That's not a lot extra, and in the Nissan's case. its a seriously more power and better drive than the non-hybrid version.
Nissan best car
Nissan. 👍
The RAV 4 is so vanilla and I cant imagine driving one, even saving $10 a fortnight in fuel. Would rather have the 525nm of torque ready to go.
Comparing large suv to a medium suv?
Both are medium SUVs in Australia, The X-Trail is just a touch larger (6.5cm longer overall, but 2.5cm narrower, with a wheelbase 1.5cm longer) but in terms of sales category both are classed as medium SUVs alongside the Honda CR-V, Mitsubishi Outlander, Mazda CX-5, Subaru Forester, Volkswagen Tiguan, Kia Sportage, Hyundai Tucson, and others. - Kez
@@Drivecomau so what's a qashqai then?
@@rajindernijjer The Qashqai is positioned in the small SUV class in Australia, along with rivals like the Toyota Corolla Cross, Hyundai Kona, Kia Seltos, Subaru Crosstrek, Mazda CX-30, and others.
@@Drivecomau so what's large suv?
@@rajindernijjer From Nissan, the Pathfinder, from rivals The Hyundai Santa Fe and Palisade, Kia Sorento, Mazda CX-8 and CX-9, Toyota Kluger and the like.
Looks like the time frame estimate of 1 to 2 months is wrong. I spoke with both the dealership and Nissan customer service and they are saying 6 to 12 months plus any delays.
I wish the estimate you got was correct - but unfortunately not
.. dont know where live but only 2 month wait here in Canberra
@@markus6664 Hi Markus... I'm in Melbourne and the response I got was direct from Nissan head office customer service.
Maybe we get told the best possible waiting time, we can try to look into it.
We were not told one or two months. In fact, it is so long, they can't even give us an estimate.
Looks like its going to be the full 12 months wait time according to my dealer.@@Drivecomau
Strange, i own xtrail hybrid and been driving for 2 months and im averaging around 6.3/100. On a good day I see 5.8-5.9 highway driving. Dont know how they managed 7-8 /100 in the trst drive
The X-Trail is the clear winner, serviving costs and 10k intervals is its main downfall. It would also be nice to see a plug in version with approx 50km of range.
Rav4 still the best 😊😊
Yes the best taxi
no.
If your prepared to wait 3 years or realm with a scalper
@@jonathenschwartz3019 best Uber drivers car 😂
Pffft. It’s your opinion
Nissan wins interior, Rav4 wins exterior, fuel efficiency.
In the real world the X Trail E Force gives about 6.6 to 7.2 litres per 100 KMs. RAV 4 About 5.2 to 5.8 litres. Much less refined drive.
The X-Trail is worth the fuel slug, but I should have a 10-15kWh battery and a plug-in option.
@@zoltrix7779 Only if you can plug in at home... The Mitsubishi Outlander is the sister car with a bigger battery and plug in.
that's enough small jokes lady
The new RAV4 is coming
whats the new one?? 2024?
rav4 hybrid only good for uber and taxi drivers. otherwise dialy drive a hybrid car will cost you a battery replacement bill after few years.
My friend has 11 year Yaris hybrid and the battery is still intact. Even if fails they change just failed modules
Toyota offer a long warranty on the battery so long as the car is serviced within the guidelines. They expect it to last the lifetime of the car.
Now do e power with a hydrogen engine. Yum
No one is every making hydrogen a thing. Its been proved that its a useless technology for passenger vehicles.
This is the 2022 Rav4 Edge by the looks of it not the new 2023
That's right. As mentioned in the video even Toyota wouldn't get us the updated model - but the MY23 model has a few changes, particularly to the instrument cluster and infotainment.
Rav4 reliability first. That is important for every one. Nissan's transmission is a pain in the budget for everyone.
No transmission in the Nissan e-Power drivetrain, can't broke what doesn't exist.
There is no transmission in the Nissan.
Nissan all the way…
to the scrap yard...
almost vomited when i saw the orange
X-trail is better……by far!!!
the x-trail's adequate but the rav4's much better
Any sensible person would go for Toyota over Nissan!
If by sensible person you mean bland, boring, unimaginative and lacking in taste then I agree wth you.
@@vrs76ryou forgot to add non-gullible to the list 😊
I don't know the origin of the Toyota Rav4 manufacture, but the Nissan X-trail is made in Japan and against a vehicle made there, well there is nothing to do, it is superior quality in every way, without a doubt the Xtrail is better.
For the Australian Market, both the X-Trail and the RAV4 are imported from Japan.
Rav4 is made in Japan unless you’re in the USA/Canada, then they’re made in Canada. So Australia/New Zealand and Europe get the Japanese version.
The X trail is not a hybrid, but a petrol car. The economy is not good, and it requires expensive premium fuel. And there is no spare, or space saver. So you would be brave to use it on trips outside the city. And the battery is too small , and drains quickly under sustained hard driving.
, reducing power to about 100kw of the petrol engine. The 2500 engine is much better value, and a lot cheaper.
Not so. My brother has had his E Force Hybrid for a year ...
With Electric Drive train and no droning CVT it is a vast different driving experience.
He hired a RAV 4 Hybrid and then drove the X Trail.
Half way through the test drive he was talking colours v delivery times.
It has exceeded our expectations.
the nissan is like ugly duckling. it can be better in everythink, but i will take rav4 everysingle time.
No spare in the Nissan... so another joke car for suburban use only.
In a big country like Australia a full size is a much needed addition, don't get us started on a goo kit!
Thanks for the unusually honest in depth and detailed review guys - the elephant in the room is the global class action suit for the failing CVT in the XTrail and buyer beware for the new Mitsubishi Outlander which is a rebadged XTrail - I’d rather wait for a reliable Toyota than an unreliable Nissan - yes we know that like Subaru (I’ve owned 10) Toyota generally puts pragmatics before aesthetics but I actually own a Toyota Hilux and a Subaru Forester and very pleased with their reliability and technical and customer service culture - a shame because my Nissan Skyline was a very well built and reliable 90’s vehicle but the Subaru Forester diesel and Hybrid were disasters.
The elephant in the room is your comment given this x-trail in question doesn't have a CVT , rendering your point useless in this comparison. Can't play the reliability card for a vehicle that only just came out. Only time will tell how reliable it will be.
@@joelbowden3207 Im interested in the VC feature of the Xtrails Engine - never had a car with Variable Compression before!!!!
@@joelbowden3207 Looking at various reviews of the X Trail it appears the hybrid system Nissan is using has been around since 2016 with about 400,000 vehicles using it. Not sure how accurate that is is but time will tell re the reliability of the vehicle.
@@joelbowden3207 yes your correct but Nissan has an integrity issue with this model and the fact they’re using a small motor to charge a battery to then power the electric motors is impractical and I’m counting the days when the engine will fail and my point about the CVT and new Mitsubishi Outlander nee XTrial still stands.
@@johnnumbat9782 seriously your bs is thick. The engine basically just a generator that pair permanently to a e gen. It does not have any gearbox.
And the winner is RAV4 😊😊😊
I'm the first who comments 😂
🏁
8l ? no way.... propably u dindt use the recuperation mode e pedal
We drove both with and without e-pedal mode - but even if we didn't, it still seems pretty poor that simply not using that drive mode would almost entirely negate any hybrid benefit, don't you think? Ultimately Nissan's system offers fantastic drivability, but little benefit to fuel consumption in urban driving.
- Kez