Another good advantage the outlander has is the 7 seater capacity no one is talking about. As parent with 4 little kids, this is very important to me, and I believe it is important for other parents with kids out there. So, the Outlander is a pure winner. Going for it. Went to the dealership yesterday, couldn't make up my mind. But with this review and comments from real owners, I'm going for the Outlander tomorrow. Thank you one and all.
My brother hired a RAV4 hybrid. Drove an XTrail E Force. Blown away by the driving experience. Got delivery last April. Awesome machine that does not have to be plugged in to get the EV like driving experience.
Nice review. I've owned my outlander phev for almost a month. I've gone about 920km with just a over a quarter tank of fuel used. I think that's amazing. Love it so far.
@andyhawkins7988 in Ontario it almost doubled my electricity bill from $75 to $140 monthly. About the same as one tank of gas, and I get way more kms than I used to on my one tank of gas. About $2 a day roughly.
I have my outlander exceed tourer phev for more than 3 months and drove 4000 km averaging 1.5L/100km. I love the luxurious drive experienced with very efficient fuel economy. Highly recommended and can be delivered within months.
We have to remember that the Outlander is charged on a daily basis and that power has to come from somewhere. Unfortunately the majority of our grid power is still fossil fuels, as well as some of that saved money will be in your power bill. Still cheaper and probably better for the environment than the fuel pump though. Also, I talked to my local Mitsubishi dealer today and was given a 12 month wait time.
I have test driven all three of these cars in the past month or so and I genuinely don't understand what is so popular about the RAV4! Both the X-Trail E-Power and Outlander PHEV are *far* more engaging and fun to drive, and the cabin design/quality on both knock the RAV4 out of the park.
yeah, totally agree. Design wise (both interior and exterior) RAV4 is a bit outdated. BUT if we are talking fuel consumption - RAV4 hybrid is the best in business
E power E force its so quiet, so smooth, accelerate fast, even gas mileage is average, in a long term this new technology is reliable combine ratio14: 1 and 8 : 1, and the small pack of battery much cheaper to replace, driving to hills, mountain roads and off road drive is effortless, for me Nissan E Power
Great review as usual Richard thank you. These comparison reviews are really useful. One thing I’d like to see for the fuel use is the actual dollar value of fuel used including the cost of the electricity used to charge the PHEV. I find just quoting a 1ltr/100km figure is a bit meaningless as it is also costing you the power used to charge the battery. Also, as you know, different cars may need different RON fuel so a dollar cost of fuel used on test including electricity used would be very interesting and useful to see.
Exactly, i was trying to do it the other day and worked out about $5.30 for the full charge at medium australian wholesale 23c/kw and factoring in roughly 23kws of charging and efficency losses charging the battery. So the fact they can say its 1.3/100 is rubbish unless you are driving very short trips and topping it up every single time, with electricity, which invalidates the 1.3l/100 claim.
@@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi I can get 100km on a charge, Mitsi actually under quoting (for once) Charge input is 19kw (I put on my propeller hat and measured it) as they don't fully drain the battery. So $4.37. So 2.5L in gas money
Nissan is sending the 7 seater x-trail to Latin America with 4wd, independent electric motors for front and rear. What you didn't mention is that the e-power drives effectively as an EV 100% of the time, unlike the others, so you can enjoy true linear acceleration and 0-100 kmh in less than 7s. So, if you want an electric car but don't wanna have to ever plug it in, the x-trail is the choice.
For me, the Nissan X-Trail is the winner here. Justification: The Outlander with the plugin system is not for me because of the constant search for a socket ... that is not worth the 1.5 L/100 km consumption to me Yes, the Toyota has a better consumption than the Nissan, but with only 221 Nm according to the data sheet, an absolutely insufficient engine performance; with that i would fall asleep. The Nissan has 330 Nm for the front engine + 195 for the rear engine; that´s a really accetable performance. In addition the RAV4 is far more expensive than the Nissan, you´ll need to make around 50.000 km until the lower consumption has compensated for the higher acquisition costs. Conclusion: If I want a low consumption I´ll buy a bicycle; and if I'm looking for a balanced SUV that makes fun and looks good, then currently i would buy the Nissan X-Trail 4orce
The Toyotas torque figure is just the engine because they don't quote total torque figures. The motor torque figures are more than the engine. The RAV4 can also be had with e4wd like the other two and the HP figures at least are more than the xtrail. While driving it, it feels very different to the xtrail but in terms of performance is right on there with the xtrail e4orce. Both feel like high 6 seconds to 60
The Outlander PHEV is a good design but charging just seems like too much of a pita for most. The X-Trail recharges in 3 minutes at the pump and there are reports of some E-Power owners seeing numbers pushing 1,000 or more from one tank while still offering a premium SUV driving experience.
I've had the opportunity to drive an Outlander, and I found it to be a pleasant experience. It truly gives you a luxurious feel and, in my opinion, it's the most comfortable car among all the models in Mitsubishi's lineup. However, I do not like an idea of carrying around a heavy combustion engine that is not in use. Alternatively, if the engine does work, you have to carry on a 200 kg battery, which reduces the overall efficiency of the vehicle. Either way, there's an extra burden of weight to contend with all the time. While you do save money on fuel by utilizing electricity, when considering the price difference between the Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle and the Hybrid or petrol versions, it's not really worth it unless you drive long distances on a daily basis. Moreover, you pay a lot of money for a vehicle that you have to charge every night. In my opinion, it's better to opt for a fully electric vehicle and charge it once a week or so, rather than dealing with the inconvenience of frequent charging. On the other hand, Nissan offers an intriguing solution, but it's a relatively new technology. Nissan is known for having battery issues with their cars, as evident from the numerous complaints from Leaf owners who experienced premature battery failure. Therefore, this new e-power technology needs to prove its reliability over time.
Pure EV has to lug around a massive battery where as the Outlander has to lug an engine (no transmission though) but only a small battery so the weight balances out really. Daily that EV only uses bits of a battery so why carry around a large battery? It's better to use the correctly sized battery and have that engine ready to go, at a moments notice, to drive you great distances without a second thought. Plus the peace of mind that the ICE will get you home if ever needed. Also, when you do need to charge that EV it's a right drama, have you seen the hordes of them gathered around charging stations like hungry wasps? The least efficient motoring is engine to battery, that's where the Nissan falls short for me. The outlander will directly drive the front wheels and charge on the motorway and of course motorway is the most efficient use of an ICE. Charging at night is not a big deal...step out and plug in...close the door. Outlander...easy winner and worth the month (and yes, I do have one :)
I've got an Outlander arriving hopefully by Dec this year and I chose it over all other hybrids because of the ability to run purely in EV mode for likely 90% of my drives. It's been really well rated over many different reviews in Aust as well as over the other side of the ponds in Europe/US/Canada. The other times, I'll need to run long distance, at least I don't need to worry about the generally woeful charging infrastructure.
It has cost approximately $80 in electricity and $60 in fuel as through the day it’s charged via household solar and overnight on household battery and grid @ 19.5c/kW. Our previous vehicle which averaged 8L/100km would have cost about $700 in fuel.
@@asharamex3557 Perhaps you can answer this question I have… have you ever tried to see how much fuel it takes to charge the outlander battery to full while simply idling the engine? I’d hazard a guess it’s considerably more efficient to do the charging while driving…
Correction- The Outlander can be charged through regenerative power,braking,plug in, or charge mode through engine. It is also the only vehicle that also has a fast charger.
On the Outlander PHEV, the Electric motors turn the wheels. When the Battery Charge is low or you press the Save Mode, the Ice come on and merely charges the Battery, Elect Motors still turn the wheels At speeds over 70km/h and and you step on pedal, the ICE actually drives the front wheels, assisted by the Electric Motors. At highway speeds, the Outlander turns into a FWD powered by the ICE and any access power produced, charges the batteries. Great to have a full battery to drive in EV Mode thru the next rown or City you get to. I love my 2022 Outlander PHEV 13.8kWh and get 60kms per charge in Summer and 45 kms in Winter (-20 to -35'C),
A friend used to have one of the first Chevy Volt’s in Australia. It worked the almost the same way as the Xtrail. You would charge it from the wall overnight but if it ran out of battery, the engine was solely there to generate energy. We’ve had numerous BBQ’s where we would crank tunes from the Volt for hours (after it had already depleted the battery from long journeys)… and it was always mesmerising how it would ever so very quietly spin up the engine intermittently to keep the night going!
The conclusion on the outlander is accurate, I have seen many reviewers criticize the outlander for fuel economy. However the people reviewing the outlander don't understand how it works. The outlander is meant to be charged everyday and in that way you use minimal fuel. It beats the x trail and rav 4 in fuel efficiency, however ,if you don't charge the outlander it gets 27mpg functioning as a full time hybrid. On a full charge you get 80km of electric range. That's enough to take most people to work and back without even affecting the fuel.
@Razor# if that is the case you can't compare any hybrid vehicle at all because each company uses a different hybrid system. These Units are compared because, these vehicles are currently available at similar prices.
@@warcrabcyber9908 Rav4 Prime is a similar price to the Outlander. Not the regular hybrid. And of course plug ins are completely different and shouldn't be compared to regular hybrids. Because obviously the longer you go beyond the battery range the worse fuel economy you will get, unlike the regular hybrids
@Razor# they are comparing what is available in that region at similar prices , the rav 4 prime is not available, even in the US the rav 4 prime is extremely difficult to get. With most people having to wait 5 - 6 months after placing an order Why would you compare something that is not even available to most people? The point is comparing what is available in that region at similar prices. A person can purchase an outlander and get 60 km range on electric power Then get 27mpg In hybrid mode with no charge. The Rav 4 hybrid and nissan x trail function as a hybrid full time with no plug in options. It's not Mitsubishi fault or the reviewers fault nissan and toyota don't have a plug in hybrid in that region for the Same price.
@@warcrabcyber9908 But what makes you say it is the same price ? Even the reviewer said that the Outlander is the most expensive. And that's completely normal, plugins have bigger batteries and more powerful electric motors. By the same logic why not include petrol vehicles in the comparison. They are available at even lower cost ?
I could be wrong, but I believe the Outlander is the only one of these 3 to qualify for the current Fringe Benefits Tax rebate, which cuts $20,000 off the price, IF you're able to lease it through your work. So the $70k price becomes $50k effectively, plus you still get all the benefits of the Mitsubishi PHEV system.
@@joelcolgate3683 we are looking at doing the same, did you have a good accountant to work all this stuff out for you or just the lease company? were stuck iwth crappy lendlease i think it is, but wanted to make sure they give us the best possible deal and rebate tax wise.
If only. I got it priced through one of the leasing companies, they add such a massive mark up on top, they completely absorb the tax benefit. It was through Auopia. 66k PHEV Oulander would have cost me over 90k (with on road cost) over 5 years after tax.
That’s what every reviewer says. With the Outlander you can choose different drive modes, including Tarmac, which tightens the suspension and makes the car faster, addressing the issues this reviewer brings up.
The Outlander has different drive modes, including “Tarmac” which tightens the suspension, makes the car faster and overall more sporty, which addresses the issues you bring up about the car feeling big and “boaty”. The best option in my opinion!
I wouldn't. Just purely based the engine itself it's too small of an engine and it's fairly new so the reliability factor is a bit iffy especially since the French own them
@@TYPICALTRYHARD_ Yeah but the engine isn't working hard, just charging. So the size is ok but the reliability is unknown. Wait for the guinea pigs to test it 😎
@@TYPICALTRYHARD_ not only that, look at how nissan pissed all over the leaf owners and their battery packs that have died and they said meh to their customers. Nissans customer service is total rubbish, but hey thats what comes from a scumbag company.
Rented a XTrail eDrive in Italy two weeks ago and I was very impressed with how well it drove. I especially liked the one pedal mode. Very quite and smooth with very little road or wind noise. Impressive. Steering control was also excellent with dynamic handling, but I found it a bit harsh when it hit bumps ( My car is a nice and soft ML Mercedes, so .... ) Compared to several other new cars I have rented over the last few years in Europe, its driver assistance modes were very unobtrusive. I found the fuel usage to be pretty ordinary compared to my heavy ML where I regularly get around 6l/100k on a trip.
Of course, you are much closer to reality. And probably if you had the Nissan all this time, you were around 7.5. They didn't include the highway in their test where the hybrids are a lot penalised.
After 40k we are around 5.8L. Not sure how you could get 3.7? Don't get me wrong I'm pretty happy getting around 800km range regardless of city or highway driving but 3.7 would be amazing.
@@mihaiachim244 I have the Nissan X Trail e-4ORCE and it manages around 5.9/6.0 on the highway. Where it seems to suffer is on rougher surfaces or dirt tracks. I did 20km on a rather unpleasant series of roads at the weekend and it was at 10 for it, even though I wasn't going over 50. City driving is also fine with 4.5 or so IF (and it is a big IF) you use the E Pedal.
yeah so you and your filipino wife and your wife basher singlet tops can drive aroudn town with speed dealer sunnies on... hahahah thats who buys delicas in australia.
If fuel economy was the only deciding factor then it would be good to mention how many years of driving would it take for the cost of hybrids to break even with their petrol counterparts. It is here where the Outlander fails given it's high cost (not considering charging costs, charging time, capped price service and overall quality of ride). RAV4 has this sorted in every aspect.
Yeah it'd be relevant to say "at the time of filming, wait times were 12-18 months..." I'd love an Outlander, but if I ordered one today I likely wouldn't see it until 2025
I have test drive RAV4 Hybrid and Outlander PHEV , Ride quality definitely Outlander wins. also Who can wait 3 years for RAV4 Hybrid anyway? its an Unobtainable .
Great review. Plz Can you do test with all suv of distance with 1 tank(and battery fully charged) of fuel (or same measurement of fuel) of which can travel further to get a real distance reading.
Damn we have the new outlander phev, and how did you get 1.4/100k in 140 km driving? Is it because the outlander has the capability of ev only? What are the other variables?
There is an awd version of the rav 4 hybrid. It would have been beeter if you brought that version but all in all. The mitsubishi takes the day. But I also like the nissan x trail.
When you getting a Hybrid you go for fuel efficiency. No point getting one that uses heaps of fuel just to power the batteries. Otherwise you'd go full EV
That's not a fair test with 100 km. range, you did not count how much electricity was consumed and how much it costed comparing to petrol. A fair test would be to drive at least 500 km or even better fully charge and fill with petrol all and see how long each can drive and what will be the real consumption and costs.
Not sure I'd agree with the Rav being more 'sporty' than the Outlander PHEV. Neither are really sporty but the Outlander is a fair bit faster to 100kph and waaaaaay faster to accelerate at lower speeds. And having driven both I think the Outlander turns in better, has less understeer and actually a bit of oversteer in power/tarmac mode. Plus instant torque. All in all much more fun to drive IMO.
Regarding sporty thing - outlander have active yaw control. I was surprised how playful it becomes, when you step on a pedal in a turn. Harder you step, better it turns
How can the rav4 be sportier if the outlander would literally destroy the Rav4 on tarmac track, gravel and snow? This guy seems to have a grudge with Mitsi like he's not use to Mitsi been a better performance overall vehicle for the first time .
@@goranjurkovic6796 Thats a Rav4 prime (5.8sec) and you cant get them here anyway. But its using battery and direct drive at the same time to do it and its a bit of a useless party trick . Outlander is all electric and uses battery and engine generator. Outlander does 0-60 6.5 seconds and is waaaaay smoother and much more drivable after that
Outlander from what I’ve heard is more refined than the Rav4 across the board (road noise, interior materials etc). However, the reason the Rav4 sells is because Toyota and everything that comes with that (most the time). Rav4 feels basically the same as a petrol vehicle to drive and ‘sportiness’ is acceptable for me. I feel the reviews praise the handling a bit too much on the Rav4 but that’s just me. Owner of a 2022 Rav4 Hybrid.
There is no point comparing fuel economy if the initial state of charge of the battery is different. In this case it would have made more sense to compare values with an empty battery
For those who own the outlander PHEV, can it be driven on hybrid mode similar to Rav4? If yes what's the fuel efficiency are you getting and does it mean it doesn't have to be charged all the time?
My 2022 RAV4 hybrid won’t perform better than 6.2L/100km. Mostly suburban Sydney driving. No matter how much I go soft on accelerator and braking. I’ve reset and tested again but won’t go down. Not sure how you got 3.7L!
see thats the thing, they dont get anywhere near that close on any of them, I cant understand how back in 2012 I had a 2012 hyundai i30 crdi turbo diesel 1.6l hatch that would easily do 5l/100kms WAYYY better than the prius of the time and still today. I dont understand how they were able to build such a frugal everyday vehicle yet all these years later we still cant get close to that.
I don't understand why all the time people take into account the fuel efficiency of a PHEV with battery fully charged or worse, compare a PHEV with a HEV on a relatively short distance. Ok, in a real life the PHEV will drink 1.4 l/100km on an average day but not because it's stellar technology compare with others but because it's bigger battery. And you pay this electricity also, especially in a public quick charger (in my country we pay 3 times for 1 kwh compared with a domestic socket). Let make a 500 miles test with all of 3 and see what happens. Or if we compare a PHEV with an EV, that means PHEV is crap because it still consumes 1.4l when EV consumes nothing?
Nissan Xtrail has a better drive. This review is mainly based on the fuel economy and not the performance and speed and luxury. Faster car with more torque is the Nissan X-Trail which has 213bhp and for the speed and performance it's the best fuel economy fast hybrid on the market. Toyota is also a brilliant car on fuel but performs slow pickup speed. According to most reviews on Ytube, X-Trail always wins against Outlander and Rav-4.
Mitsubishi outlander because Mitsubishi Technology is the oldest and Advance in automotive industries and heavy industries also become the world champion ever by Guinness world record
@@RichardJoashTan good for you. I am worried about after 5-7 years, the battery life of the plug EV and resale value are almost the same as a normal Outlander.
The Outlander's efficiency is misleading. Its actually horrifically inefficient IF you don't charge the battery. Obviously, if you're running 99% of the time on battery power, your fuel efficiency will be amazing, but that isn't going to happen on a highway trip from Houston, TX to Daytona FL.
Mitsi PHEV only used 1.4l petrol but how much electric energy did you use? Electricity is not free energy and quite expense at fast charge stations, so it needs to be factored in. Also the if you drive the PHEV on a long trip you do use all the elec energy and all the petrol energy for highway speeds. How much of a pain will that be having to fill the tank and also recharge on long haul trips :/
The only thing not mentioned is the outlander being so reliant on a battery system, what life will batteries last compared to the Toyota. Because at least with the Toyota we know based on previous models you will get about 20 years even though Toyota does not give a guarantee. Will the Nissan and the outlander still run like a normal car if their batteries pack it in?
The battery isn't likely to stop working entirely. No more likely than the small battery in the Toyota system. EV only range will drop over time though for sure. But with a reduced battery capacity it'll still deliver the same performance, just running the engine more frequently. The 'new' Outlander PHEV system is fundamentally the same as the old ones so there's more than ten years of real world data on reliability. They don't seem to fail but loss of EV range was quite bad for some cars. This model uses a better chemistry and should do better. The good thing is the engine is a very basic type and there's no gearbox/transmission or diffs to worry about.
The new Gen outlander uses the latest lithium cell technology with water cooled system and its made by Panasonic. Its Different to the previous gen, so the battery degrade SOH will be much better than what Toyota are using as they are still using the littium battery pack from the previous generation.
I think if you travel to community frequently then PHEV is long term saver, if you put it to long term daily commercial/uber kind use, then RAV4 is quite good. if you go with family travel longer distance frequently, ePower could be a good choice.
It was a long time ago now, but I would have had it in the Normal driving mode so that the best combination of the engine, motor and batteries could be optimised by the car's computer. -Richard
I can't find an answer to this, maybe here. With the Mitsubishi and Nissan they both have maximum regeneration mode and you can stop just by taking your foot off the accelerator. My safety question, does the brake light come on?
Is the Outlander really different in Australia vs North America? How is it possible that here everybody is talking about 64 km of EV range while in Australia all reviewers are claiming 84 km. Also the fuel economy in Hybrid mode is way higher here in North America at around 9 L/100 km!!! Can you please comment on this? Much appreciated!
I think Battery Tech + North American Winters = Less Pure EV Range. Unless they are talking about the 1st Gen Outlander PHEV which has a smaller battery.
the fuel economy in hybrid mode here is similar, jsut the fanboys are all covering it up by topping up with power all the time and not taking those charges into account.
Really hard to compare across markets, the manufacturers make so many changes to the specs, trim, accessories and engines etc. I have experience with UK and OZ markets, the UK equivalents seem to have smaller engines, manual transmissions and even have different names for the same car and/or trim levels. A Kia GT Sportage I hired in UK last year had different features to the same car here in Australia.
Isn't the underlying platform of both the xtrail/rouge the same as the outlander also an important factor that wasn't mentioned in the video is that the previous year of the outlander was a little longer than the new one making the 3rd row a little more usable if you're looking for the phev version and the new outlander the 3rd row is actually unusable unless you're hauling exclusively toddlers in the the car
The new Outlander is bigger than the old one in every way, the Outlander is bigger than the Rogue/X-Trail, the previous Outlander PHEV didn't come with a 3rd row seats.
th-cam.com/video/mXdbrRqedhY/w-d-xo.html Certainly does not look like only toddlers to me. Also the outlander and x trail share the same structure frame , however the interior, engine, electric motors are totally different. Infact the tucson and the sportage are more identical in parts than the outlander and the x trail. Which no reviewer highlights ever. Kia and Hyundai has been sharing platforms for years now and no one mentions it.
Another consideration with the different types of Hybrids is where you live. I live in a small country town and I am into 100 kmph driving almost straight away. Curious to know what car would be better for someone in my situation.
Hybrids generally give value by regenerative brakes charging the battery, so storing the energy then reusing it to boost acceleration. Acceleration and hill climbing use loads more fuel (energy) than crusing or down hill. Around town with stop start, this works, to save fuel by storing and reusing the braking energy otherwise wasted by heat in a conventional car. On the flat or undulating highway at constant speed, there is no regenerative braking, so the battery is gradually depleted and the car travels 100% on the ICE, not saving much fuel at all. The plug in would let you get the first 50 to 80 K on electric around town and at the start of the journey, and would save some fuel, but this would be minimised with long trips, as eventually it would run mostly on fuel. The regenerative only cars, would not save much fuel at all on a long highway trip, as there is no charge put into the battery other than by braking.
It is all about compromises btwn EV/ICE balance. If I didn't have longterm home charging (it really must be L2 req electrician dedic wiring - $2-4k USD), I'd not go BEV only. Car is just transportion, I'll not plan my life around charging. As is, we own a BEV & a phev, I use the phev for short trips, errands. I don't remember when I last put ⛽ in. Long range BEV: Carry 1000# extra 🔋 wt most days. Phev: carry 1000# extra ICE most days.
Rav4 Prime is a smaller car, medium drive quality, poor 4-drive system that everyone talks about vs outlander, bland interior. Look up Outlander phev All-wheel drive test vs Prime. Outlander easily won.
@@allensoofian7632 in what category is outlander better than rav4 prime xse tech package? It is much slower to 62mph or quarter mile. It has worse mpg than rav4. It has worse obsolete ice. It has worse obsolete hybrid system. It has less ev range. It has slower on board charger. It has less tech inside. It has unusable 3rd row. It has less reliable reputation. So in what thing or category does outlander beat rav4 prime easily?
can confirm a few things with regards to the X-trail E:Power, even though it has about 250kg more weight over the petrol version due to the instant torque from the electric motors you won't notice it in terms of pulling power, that said ride balance is firmer over speed bumps and potholes, steering is virtually the same as petrol spec, obviously a mechanical AWD X-Trail is not as fast as electric AWD that said both offer Torque Vectoring it's just that the mechanical AWD version is slower to react, brakes rotors are a key difference, the X-trail petrol brake rotors are tiny by comparison to the X-trail E:Power. Fuel consumption? many reports from E:Power owners are showing around 6.5L per 100km which is respectable, not Rav4 Hybrid like but again decent enough considering its from the factory electric AWD whereas Rav4 Hybrid could be FWD or electric AWD,, petrol X-Trail reports show around 7.5L for a larger petrol NA engine, CVT and mechanical AWD, I think that is also respectable
I'll take the plug in hybrid which can go proper ev mode but off course for up to 80km ish but that's still fine. However what's not fine is the "electric mode only" top speed is only 70kmh compared Volvo's S/V/XC 60/90 T8s which can do 100kmh but for a very short time. Nevertheless, plugins hybrids and pure evs are ideal in cities, short drives, congestions and anywhere that require frequent stops.
Not true - owned the Gen 4 Outlander PHEV for about a year now, and you can drive at 100kmph in pure EV. Do it regularly. When visiting parents, we have 30 km trip (one way - 60 return) of which over half is motorway. Can get there and back in EV on 2/3 of a battery.
The Nissan X-trail most likely start the gas engine when you are below X% on the battery and keep going until it can use the brake to regen, I'm guessing it cant regen with both the engine and the regen tech at the same time so it fire up the engine and continue until it has to stop or when you are stopped so it know it can use the engine more efficiently
The regular maintenance of a car will always be a substantial fraction of the total operating cost of a vehicle. In the absence of a transmission system, and the complicated ICE & electric motor interface, I think e-Power will win overall.
How much did the Mitsubishi cost to charge the out lander cost of running is the true over all cost petrol and electricity and did that equal the same amount of money spent as the rav and plus the extra cost of the perchance I've the rav that's slot of fuel for the rav and the Toyota is the king of hybrids so will definitely out last the other two and have better resale
I guess including the MG or Haval hybrids will make this setup or outcome unpalatable... Would've been much more practical, feature packed, and best value.
Another good advantage the outlander has is the 7 seater capacity no one is talking about. As parent with 4 little kids, this is very important to me, and I believe it is important for other parents with kids out there. So, the Outlander is a pure winner. Going for it. Went to the dealership yesterday, couldn't make up my mind. But with this review and comments from real owners, I'm going for the Outlander tomorrow. Thank you one and all.
Right? 2-row is a dealbreaker for me as well. Hope you get a good deal!
7 saeter also for Nissan X-Ttrail available !
My brother hired a RAV4 hybrid.
Drove an XTrail E Force.
Blown away by the driving experience.
Got delivery last April. Awesome machine that does not have to be plugged in to get the EV like driving experience.
Nice review. I've owned my outlander phev for almost a month. I've gone about 920km with just a over a quarter tank of fuel used. I think that's amazing. Love it so far.
yeah but how many times have you plugged it in? think about it this way, every charge topped it up with 80ks.
@@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi I plug it in nightly. Easy peasy.
@@peltotalo how much does it increase your bill, if you have noticed
@andyhawkins7988 in Ontario it almost doubled my electricity bill from $75 to $140 monthly. About the same as one tank of gas, and I get way more kms than I used to on my one tank of gas. About $2 a day roughly.
Yeah I have rav4 phev than has better economy than outlander it has more power it has much better acceleration and handling. And costs the same
I have my outlander exceed tourer phev for more than 3 months and drove 4000 km averaging 1.5L/100km. I love the luxurious drive experienced with very efficient fuel economy. Highly recommended and can be delivered within months.
Are you in Oz? What was your wait time? Last time I test drove I was told 12-18 months.
@@Mububban23 8-10 months. I am in Melbourne
With those Avg fuel, I am assuming U always charge up the battery every night right ?
We have to remember that the Outlander is charged on a daily basis and that power has to come from somewhere. Unfortunately the majority of our grid power is still fossil fuels, as well as some of that saved money will be in your power bill. Still cheaper and probably better for the environment than the fuel pump though.
Also, I talked to my local Mitsubishi dealer today and was given a 12 month wait time.
How much did it cost you to charge it?
I have test driven all three of these cars in the past month or so and I genuinely don't understand what is so popular about the RAV4! Both the X-Trail E-Power and Outlander PHEV are *far* more engaging and fun to drive, and the cabin design/quality on both knock the RAV4 out of the park.
yeah, totally agree. Design wise (both interior and exterior) RAV4 is a bit outdated. BUT if we are talking fuel consumption - RAV4 hybrid is the best in business
I'd take the Outlander, it's the most versatile out of the 3.
E power E force its so quiet, so smooth, accelerate fast, even gas mileage is average, in a long term this new technology is reliable combine ratio14: 1 and 8 : 1, and the small pack of battery much cheaper to replace, driving to hills, mountain roads and off road drive is effortless, for me Nissan E Power
Great review as usual Richard thank you. These comparison reviews are really useful. One thing I’d like to see for the fuel use is the actual dollar value of fuel used including the cost of the electricity used to charge the PHEV. I find just quoting a 1ltr/100km figure is a bit meaningless as it is also costing you the power used to charge the battery. Also, as you know, different cars may need different RON fuel so a dollar cost of fuel used on test including electricity used would be very interesting and useful to see.
Exactly, i was trying to do it the other day and worked out about $5.30 for the full charge at medium australian wholesale 23c/kw and factoring in roughly 23kws of charging and efficency losses charging the battery.
So the fact they can say its 1.3/100 is rubbish unless you are driving very short trips and topping it up every single time, with electricity, which invalidates the 1.3l/100 claim.
@@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi I can get 100km on a charge, Mitsi actually under quoting (for once)
Charge input is 19kw (I put on my propeller hat and measured it) as they don't fully drain the battery. So $4.37.
So 2.5L in gas money
Nissan is sending the 7 seater x-trail to Latin America with 4wd, independent electric motors for front and rear. What you didn't mention is that the e-power drives effectively as an EV 100% of the time, unlike the others, so you can enjoy true linear acceleration and 0-100 kmh in less than 7s. So, if you want an electric car but don't wanna have to ever plug it in, the x-trail is the choice.
For me, the Nissan X-Trail is the winner here. Justification:
The Outlander with the plugin system is not for me because of the constant search for a socket ... that is not worth the 1.5 L/100 km consumption to me
Yes, the Toyota has a better consumption than the Nissan, but with only 221 Nm according to the data sheet, an absolutely insufficient engine performance; with that i would fall asleep. The Nissan has 330 Nm for the front engine + 195 for the rear engine; that´s a really accetable performance. In addition the RAV4 is far more expensive than the Nissan, you´ll need to make around 50.000 km until the lower consumption has compensated for the higher acquisition costs.
Conclusion: If I want a low consumption I´ll buy a bicycle; and if I'm looking for a balanced SUV that makes fun and looks good, then currently i would buy the Nissan X-Trail 4orce
The Toyotas torque figure is just the engine because they don't quote total torque figures. The motor torque figures are more than the engine. The RAV4 can also be had with e4wd like the other two and the HP figures at least are more than the xtrail. While driving it, it feels very different to the xtrail but in terms of performance is right on there with the xtrail e4orce. Both feel like high 6 seconds to 60
The Outlander PHEV is a good design but charging just seems like too much of a pita for most. The X-Trail recharges in 3 minutes at the pump and there are reports of some E-Power owners seeing numbers pushing 1,000 or more from one tank while still offering a premium SUV driving experience.
I would take the x trail. Purely on driving experience. 5.9 is not bad as well
I own an outlander in the UK and I endorse and agree with this review! I absolutely love the Outlander.
And..... to enjoy motoring, I believe I'll pick the X-Trail
I've had the opportunity to drive an Outlander, and I found it to be a pleasant experience. It truly gives you a luxurious feel and, in my opinion, it's the most comfortable car among all the models in Mitsubishi's lineup. However, I do not like an idea of carrying around a heavy combustion engine that is not in use. Alternatively, if the engine does work, you have to carry on a 200 kg battery, which reduces the overall efficiency of the vehicle. Either way, there's an extra burden of weight to contend with all the time.
While you do save money on fuel by utilizing electricity, when considering the price difference between the Plug-in Hybrid Electric Vehicle and the Hybrid or petrol versions, it's not really worth it unless you drive long distances on a daily basis. Moreover, you pay a lot of money for a vehicle that you have to charge every night. In my opinion, it's better to opt for a fully electric vehicle and charge it once a week or so, rather than dealing with the inconvenience of frequent charging.
On the other hand, Nissan offers an intriguing solution, but it's a relatively new technology. Nissan is known for having battery issues with their cars, as evident from the numerous complaints from Leaf owners who experienced premature battery failure. Therefore, this new e-power technology needs to prove its reliability over time.
Pure EV has to lug around a massive battery where as the Outlander has to lug an engine (no transmission though) but only a small battery so the weight balances out really. Daily that EV only uses bits of a battery so why carry around a large battery? It's better to use the correctly sized battery and have that engine ready to go, at a moments notice, to drive you great distances without a second thought.
Plus the peace of mind that the ICE will get you home if ever needed.
Also, when you do need to charge that EV it's a right drama, have you seen the hordes of them gathered around charging stations like hungry wasps?
The least efficient motoring is engine to battery, that's where the Nissan falls short for me. The outlander will directly drive the front wheels and charge on the motorway and of course motorway is the most efficient use of an ICE.
Charging at night is not a big deal...step out and plug in...close the door.
Outlander...easy winner and worth the month (and yes, I do have one :)
This sister of epower proved long time ago. In Japan they sell note epower with 1.2 engine. Awesome to drive.
What does the weight of the engine matter when you are using so little fuel?
I would choose the Outlander 😊
I've got an Outlander arriving hopefully by Dec this year and I chose it over all other hybrids because of the ability to run purely in EV mode for likely 90% of my drives. It's been really well rated over many different reviews in Aust as well as over the other side of the ponds in Europe/US/Canada. The other times, I'll need to run long distance, at least I don't need to worry about the generally woeful charging infrastructure.
And that is the point of a good PHEV, EV in the city and gas on the highway. Best of both worlds, you just have to charge it to make sense.
Had my outlander Phev for 3 months and after 3500kms fueled up for the 1st time with economy averaging 1.3km/100km.
@@asharamex3557 do you know what it has cost you to charge your outlander over that period?
It has cost approximately $80 in electricity and $60 in fuel as through the day it’s charged via household solar and overnight on household battery and grid @ 19.5c/kW. Our previous vehicle which averaged 8L/100km would have cost about $700 in fuel.
@@asharamex3557 Perhaps you can answer this question I have… have you ever tried to see how much fuel it takes to charge the outlander battery to full while simply idling the engine? I’d hazard a guess it’s considerably more efficient to do the charging while driving…
Correction- The Outlander can be charged through regenerative power,braking,plug in, or charge mode through engine. It is also the only vehicle that also has a fast charger.
Personally for me, it's the Outlander PHEV, in Excced Tourer form because ALL OF THE ABOVE.
I’d go the Nissan .
On the Outlander PHEV, the Electric motors turn the wheels. When the Battery Charge is low or you press the Save Mode, the Ice come on and merely charges the Battery, Elect Motors still turn the wheels
At speeds over 70km/h and and you step on pedal, the ICE actually drives the front wheels, assisted by the Electric Motors.
At highway speeds, the Outlander turns into a FWD powered by the ICE and any access power produced, charges the batteries.
Great to have a full battery to drive in EV Mode thru the next rown or City you get to.
I love my 2022 Outlander PHEV 13.8kWh and get 60kms per charge in Summer and 45 kms in Winter (-20 to -35'C),
A friend used to have one of the first Chevy Volt’s in Australia. It worked the almost the same way as the Xtrail. You would charge it from the wall overnight but if it ran out of battery, the engine was solely there to generate energy.
We’ve had numerous BBQ’s where we would crank tunes from the Volt for hours (after it had already depleted the battery from long journeys)… and it was always mesmerising how it would ever so very quietly spin up the engine intermittently to keep the night going!
The conclusion on the outlander is accurate, I have seen many reviewers criticize the outlander for fuel economy. However the people reviewing the outlander don't understand how it works.
The outlander is meant to be charged everyday and in that way you use minimal fuel. It beats the x trail and rav 4 in fuel efficiency, however ,if you don't charge the outlander it gets 27mpg functioning as a full time hybrid. On a full charge you get 80km of electric range. That's enough to take most people to work and back without even affecting the fuel.
It's not really fair to compare PHEV and HEV. Completely different concepts.
@Razor# if that is the case you can't compare any hybrid vehicle at all because each company uses a different hybrid system.
These Units are compared because, these vehicles are currently available at similar prices.
@@warcrabcyber9908 Rav4 Prime is a similar price to the Outlander. Not the regular hybrid. And of course plug ins are completely different and shouldn't be compared to regular hybrids. Because obviously the longer you go beyond the battery range the worse fuel economy you will get, unlike the regular hybrids
@Razor# they are comparing what is available in that region at similar prices , the rav 4 prime is not available, even in the US the rav 4 prime is extremely difficult to get. With most people having to wait 5 - 6 months after placing an order
Why would you compare something that is not even available to most people?
The point is comparing what is available in that region at similar prices.
A person can purchase an outlander and get 60 km range on electric power
Then get 27mpg In hybrid mode with no charge.
The Rav 4 hybrid and nissan x trail function as a hybrid full time with no plug in options.
It's not Mitsubishi fault or the reviewers fault nissan and toyota don't have a plug in hybrid in that region for the Same price.
@@warcrabcyber9908 But what makes you say it is the same price ? Even the reviewer said that the Outlander is the most expensive. And that's completely normal, plugins have bigger batteries and more powerful electric motors. By the same logic why not include petrol vehicles in the comparison. They are available at even lower cost ?
I could be wrong, but I believe the Outlander is the only one of these 3 to qualify for the current Fringe Benefits Tax rebate, which cuts $20,000 off the price, IF you're able to lease it through your work. So the $70k price becomes $50k effectively, plus you still get all the benefits of the Mitsubishi PHEV system.
You are correct, except in our circumstances it actually saved even more than that using the FBT exemption. $40k over a 5 year lease.
@@joelcolgate3683 we are looking at doing the same, did you have a good accountant to work all this stuff out for you or just the lease company? were stuck iwth crappy lendlease i think it is, but wanted to make sure they give us the best possible deal and rebate tax wise.
@@joelcolgate3683is there extended wait times for the Outlander through leasing as well that you experienced?
If only. I got it priced through one of the leasing companies, they add such a massive mark up on top, they completely absorb the tax benefit. It was through Auopia. 66k PHEV Oulander would have cost me over 90k (with on road cost) over 5 years after tax.
@@joelcolgate3683which is the leasing company u went through?
You can put the outlander in charge mode if you can't charge from a wall socket. yes it would decrease the mileage.
my Outlander coming in 4 weeks!
Congratulations!
I'm envious
Different opinions for different folks I guess. I found the Outlander the most premium feeling and the best handling.
That’s what every reviewer says. With the Outlander you can choose different drive modes, including Tarmac, which tightens the suspension and makes the car faster, addressing the issues this reviewer brings up.
The best comparison onYT ever. I wish there was a simiral comparison for Qashqai e-Power and Corolla Cross Hybrid.
The Outlander has different drive modes, including “Tarmac” which tightens the suspension, makes the car faster and overall more sporty, which addresses the issues you bring up about the car feeling big and “boaty”. The best option in my opinion!
Drove all 3 of them then drove the Haval H6 Hybrid. What game changer!
I’d go the Nissan. That electric acceleration and torque beats them all. And yes I’ve driven it.
so did you drive other two as well?
I wouldn't. Just purely based the engine itself it's too small of an engine and it's fairly new so the reliability factor is a bit iffy especially since the French own them
@@TYPICALTRYHARD_ Yeah but the engine isn't working hard, just charging. So the size is ok but the reliability is unknown. Wait for the guinea pigs to test it 😎
@@TYPICALTRYHARD_ not only that, look at how nissan pissed all over the leaf owners and their battery packs that have died and they said meh to their customers. Nissans customer service is total rubbish, but hey thats what comes from a scumbag company.
@@TYPICALTRYHARD_hope you know that Nissan own 34 percent stake in Mitsubishi since 2016
Rented a XTrail eDrive in Italy two weeks ago and I was very impressed with how well it drove. I especially liked the one pedal mode. Very quite and smooth with very little road or wind noise. Impressive. Steering control was also excellent with dynamic handling, but I found it a bit harsh when it hit bumps ( My car is a nice and soft ML Mercedes, so .... ) Compared to several other new cars I have rented over the last few years in Europe, its driver assistance modes were very unobtrusive. I found the fuel usage to be pretty ordinary compared to my heavy ML where I regularly get around 6l/100k on a trip.
3.7 per 100 for the RAV ? After 60K I've got 6.3 at all types of driving mostly urban.
Of course, you are much closer to reality. And probably if you had the Nissan all this time, you were around 7.5. They didn't include the highway in their test where the hybrids are a lot penalised.
After 40k we are around 5.8L. Not sure how you could get 3.7? Don't get me wrong I'm pretty happy getting around 800km range regardless of city or highway driving but 3.7 would be amazing.
@@mihaiachim244 I have the Nissan X Trail e-4ORCE and it manages around 5.9/6.0 on the highway. Where it seems to suffer is on rougher surfaces or dirt tracks. I did 20km on a rather unpleasant series of roads at the weekend and it was at 10 for it, even though I wasn't going over 50. City driving is also fine with 4.5 or so IF (and it is a big IF) you use the E Pedal.
Why didn’t you take the RAV4 plug in for comparison?
They are not sold in Australia.
Not popular in Australia
I am mildly interested in these vehicles, however, the real headline is a Richard Berry review. Best presenter ever.
Comparing a plug-in hybrid with a standard hybrid isn’t really a fair comparison. The plug-in RAV4 drives mostly in EV at lower speeds too.
I want to buy a Mitsubishi Delicia D5 with this Mitsi bombproof PHEV running gear 😎👏
yeah so you and your filipino wife and your wife basher singlet tops can drive aroudn town with speed dealer sunnies on... hahahah thats who buys delicas in australia.
@@Steve211Ucdhihifvshi Sounds like you been in the sun to long 🤣
I wonder how the electric consumption for the outlander is? How much electricity will it consume when you need to charge it every night before use?
If fuel economy was the only deciding factor then it would be good to mention how many years of driving would it take for the cost of hybrids to break even with their petrol counterparts. It is here where the Outlander fails given it's high cost (not considering charging costs, charging time, capped price service and overall quality of ride).
RAV4 has this sorted in every aspect.
Maybe tell us how long before you can get one.
Yeah it'd be relevant to say "at the time of filming, wait times were 12-18 months..." I'd love an Outlander, but if I ordered one today I likely wouldn't see it until 2025
I have test drive RAV4 Hybrid and Outlander PHEV , Ride quality definitely Outlander wins. also Who can wait 3 years for RAV4 Hybrid anyway? its an Unobtainable .
I was told 15 months to 2 years for the rav4 depending on model and colour.
Ride quality ???? I have watched maybe 10 different comparison video. All of them say rav4 has better ride quality. You must be genious or anyway.
the best comparison view test which changed my mind to AWD ? thank you.
Great review. Plz Can you do test with all suv of distance with 1 tank(and battery fully charged) of fuel (or same measurement of fuel) of which can travel further to get a real distance reading.
Forgot to compare Haval H6 Ultra Hybrid?
Damn we have the new outlander phev, and how did you get 1.4/100k in 140 km driving? Is it because the outlander has the capability of ev only? What are the other variables?
There is an awd version of the rav 4 hybrid. It would have been beeter if you brought that version but all in all. The mitsubishi takes the day. But I also like the nissan x trail.
There is phev awdi version of rav4 plugin hybrid. And it is over 300hp
When you getting a Hybrid you go for fuel efficiency. No point getting one that uses heaps of fuel just to power the batteries. Otherwise you'd go full EV
What about noise isolation for all three? Is the rav4 is the quieter one?
Rav 4 is the louder followed by outlander then xtrail. Xtrail is double glazed like the Merc and BMW big improvements in the cabin
That's not a fair test with 100 km. range, you did not count how much electricity was consumed and how much it costed comparing to petrol. A fair test would be to drive at least 500 km or even better fully charge and fill with petrol all and see how long each can drive and what will be the real consumption and costs.
Cost of electricity on the Mitsubishi?
Not sure I'd agree with the Rav being more 'sporty' than the Outlander PHEV. Neither are really sporty but the Outlander is a fair bit faster to 100kph and waaaaaay faster to accelerate at lower speeds. And having driven both I think the Outlander turns in better, has less understeer and actually a bit of oversteer in power/tarmac mode. Plus instant torque. All in all much more fun to drive IMO.
Regarding sporty thing - outlander have active yaw control. I was surprised how playful it becomes, when you step on a pedal in a turn. Harder you step, better it turns
How can the rav4 be sportier if the outlander would literally destroy the Rav4 on tarmac track, gravel and snow?
This guy seems to have a grudge with Mitsi like he's not use to Mitsi been a better performance overall vehicle for the first time .
Rav4 phev has 5 seconds to 60mph and 14 secondsquartermile. Yeah faster lol.
@@goranjurkovic6796 Thats a Rav4 prime (5.8sec) and you cant get them here anyway. But its using battery and direct drive at the same time to do it and its a bit of a useless party trick . Outlander is all electric and uses battery and engine generator. Outlander does 0-60 6.5 seconds and is waaaaay smoother and much more drivable after that
Outlander from what I’ve heard is more refined than the Rav4 across the board (road noise, interior materials etc). However, the reason the Rav4 sells is because Toyota and everything that comes with that (most the time). Rav4 feels basically the same as a petrol vehicle to drive and ‘sportiness’ is acceptable for me. I feel the reviews praise the handling a bit too much on the Rav4 but that’s just me. Owner of a 2022 Rav4 Hybrid.
There is no point comparing fuel economy if the initial state of charge of the battery is different. In this case it would have made more sense to compare values with an empty battery
For those who own the outlander PHEV, can it be driven on hybrid mode similar to Rav4? If yes what's the fuel efficiency are you getting and does it mean it doesn't have to be charged all the time?
My 2022 RAV4 hybrid won’t perform better than 6.2L/100km. Mostly suburban Sydney driving. No matter how much I go soft on accelerator and braking. I’ve reset and tested again but won’t go down. Not sure how you got 3.7L!
see thats the thing, they dont get anywhere near that close on any of them, I cant understand how back in 2012 I had a 2012 hyundai i30 crdi turbo diesel 1.6l hatch that would easily do 5l/100kms WAYYY better than the prius of the time and still today. I dont understand how they were able to build such a frugal everyday vehicle yet all these years later we still cant get close to that.
Same with me
I know someone with a CH-R (smaller) and even they can't get 3.7, so it seems a little...odd.
Its 3.7L per your first 100km with a full battery.
The Outlander gets 6.5L/100km with no charge.
I almost walked in front of a RAV4 Hybrid and couldn't hear the thing so I like that the Mits & Nissan make a sound.
I doubt the fuel number of RAV 4.
I don't understand why all the time people take into account the fuel efficiency of a PHEV with battery fully charged or worse, compare a PHEV with a HEV on a relatively short distance. Ok, in a real life the PHEV will drink 1.4 l/100km on an average day but not because it's stellar technology compare with others but because it's bigger battery. And you pay this electricity also, especially in a public quick charger (in my country we pay 3 times for 1 kwh compared with a domestic socket). Let make a 500 miles test with all of 3 and see what happens.
Or if we compare a PHEV with an EV, that means PHEV is crap because it still consumes 1.4l when EV consumes nothing?
exactly, real world distances show the mitsushitty is the worst for fuel economy.
Im more interested in pure range with no plug in top ups on the outlander, how far can you go on one tank of fuel?
650km abouts.
With no electric charge, it gets 6.5L/100km
Nissan Xtrail has a better drive. This review is mainly based on the fuel economy and not the performance and speed and luxury. Faster car with more torque is the Nissan X-Trail which has 213bhp and for the speed and performance it's the best fuel economy fast hybrid on the market. Toyota is also a brilliant car on fuel but performs slow pickup speed. According to most reviews on Ytube, X-Trail always wins against Outlander and Rav-4.
Should've included the performance figures as well Richard.
Mitsubishi outlander because Mitsubishi Technology is the oldest and Advance in automotive industries and heavy industries also become the world champion ever by Guinness world record
Put the outlander in Tarmac mode to enhance handling.
Great review and I appreciate reading everyone's comments and experiences.
Nice reviews and I’ll definitely go with RAF4
70k plus on road cost. I think you can get fanny RAV4 - NX 350h base model and almost same specs with Mitsubishi.
Not me, I prefer the Outlander PHEV.
@@RichardJoashTan good for you. I am worried about after 5-7 years, the battery life of the plug EV and resale value are almost the same as a normal Outlander.
The Outlander's efficiency is misleading. Its actually horrifically inefficient IF you don't charge the battery. Obviously, if you're running 99% of the time on battery power, your fuel efficiency will be amazing, but that isn't going to happen on a highway trip from Houston, TX to Daytona FL.
Mitsi PHEV only used 1.4l petrol but how much electric energy did you use? Electricity is not free energy and quite expense at fast charge stations, so it needs to be factored in. Also the if you drive the PHEV on a long trip you do use all the elec energy and all the petrol energy for highway speeds. How much of a pain will that be having to fill the tank and also recharge on long haul trips :/
The only thing not mentioned is the outlander being so reliant on a battery system, what life will batteries last compared to the Toyota. Because at least with the Toyota we know based on previous models you will get about 20 years even though Toyota does not give a guarantee. Will the Nissan and the outlander still run like a normal car if their batteries pack it in?
The battery isn't likely to stop working entirely. No more likely than the small battery in the Toyota system. EV only range will drop over time though for sure. But with a reduced battery capacity it'll still deliver the same performance, just running the engine more frequently. The 'new' Outlander PHEV system is fundamentally the same as the old ones so there's more than ten years of real world data on reliability. They don't seem to fail but loss of EV range was quite bad for some cars. This model uses a better chemistry and should do better. The good thing is the engine is a very basic type and there's no gearbox/transmission or diffs to worry about.
the battery will last over the car itself…
The new Gen outlander uses the latest lithium cell technology with water cooled system and its made by Panasonic. Its Different to the previous gen, so the battery degrade SOH will be much better than what Toyota are using as they are still using the littium battery pack from the previous generation.
For what it's worth, Mitsu offers a 10 year warranty on the batteries so there's that.
@@adamcoesame as toyota
I think if you travel to community frequently then PHEV is long term saver, if you put it to long term daily commercial/uber kind use, then RAV4 is quite good. if you go with family travel longer distance frequently, ePower could be a good choice.
Did anyone catch what mode the outlander was in for the test?
It was a long time ago now, but I would have had it in the Normal driving mode so that the best combination of the engine, motor and batteries could be optimised by the car's computer.
-Richard
@@carsguide great thanks. I just wasn't sure if pure ev mode was used at any point
I can't find an answer to this, maybe here. With the Mitsubishi and Nissan they both have maximum regeneration mode and you can stop just by taking your foot off the accelerator. My safety question, does the brake light come on?
Yes!
Is the Outlander really different in Australia vs North America? How is it possible that here everybody is talking about 64 km of EV range while in Australia all reviewers are claiming 84 km. Also the fuel economy in Hybrid mode is way higher here in North America at around 9 L/100 km!!! Can you please comment on this? Much appreciated!
I think Battery Tech + North American Winters = Less Pure EV Range. Unless they are talking about the 1st Gen Outlander PHEV which has a smaller battery.
the fuel economy in hybrid mode here is similar, jsut the fanboys are all covering it up by topping up with power all the time and not taking those charges into account.
however the australian version is a 20kw battery pack i think yours are smaller
Really hard to compare across markets, the manufacturers make so many changes to the specs, trim, accessories and engines etc. I have experience with UK and OZ markets, the UK equivalents seem to have smaller engines, manual transmissions and even have different names for the same car and/or trim levels. A Kia GT Sportage I hired in UK last year had different features to the same car here in Australia.
Isn't the underlying platform of both the xtrail/rouge the same as the outlander also an important factor that wasn't mentioned in the video is that the previous year of the outlander was a little longer than the new one making the 3rd row a little more usable if you're looking for the phev version and the new outlander the 3rd row is actually unusable unless you're hauling exclusively toddlers in the the car
The new Outlander is bigger than the old one in every way, the Outlander is bigger than the Rogue/X-Trail, the previous Outlander PHEV didn't come with a 3rd row seats.
@@keyner111 you're right but the previous gen non phev did have 3rd rows and they we're more usable than the current gen
@@TYPICALTRYHARD_ no, the newer one has more room.
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Certainly does not look like only toddlers to me. Also the outlander and x trail share the same structure frame , however the interior, engine, electric motors are totally different.
Infact the tucson and the sportage are more identical in parts than the outlander and the x trail. Which no reviewer highlights ever. Kia and Hyundai has been sharing platforms for years now and no one mentions it.
@@warcrabcyber9908 everyone mentions kia and Hyundai share platforms and everyone knows they are practically the same company under different logos
No one talked about the size of the car and how much extra it can carry inside
I like Mitsubishi Outlander
Another consideration with the different types of Hybrids is where you live. I live in a small country town and I am into 100 kmph driving almost straight away. Curious to know what car would be better for someone in my situation.
Hybrids generally give value by regenerative brakes charging the battery, so storing the energy then reusing it to boost acceleration. Acceleration and hill climbing use loads more fuel (energy) than crusing or down hill. Around town with stop start, this works, to save fuel by storing and reusing the braking energy otherwise wasted by heat in a conventional car. On the flat or undulating highway at constant speed, there is no regenerative braking, so the battery is gradually depleted and the car travels 100% on the ICE, not saving much fuel at all. The plug in would let you get the first 50 to 80 K on electric around town and at the start of the journey, and would save some fuel, but this would be minimised with long trips, as eventually it would run mostly on fuel. The regenerative only cars, would not save much fuel at all on a long highway trip, as there is no charge put into the battery other than by braking.
You should for a fair comparison be comparing them to the plug in Rav 4 Prime, which is unavailable in Australia.
Bit irrelevant then isn't it, for an Aussie channel?
the why if you can`t get it
It is all about compromises btwn EV/ICE balance. If I didn't have longterm home charging (it really must be L2 req electrician dedic wiring - $2-4k USD), I'd not go BEV only. Car is just transportion, I'll not plan my life around charging. As is, we own a BEV & a phev, I use the phev for short trips, errands. I don't remember when I last put ⛽ in. Long range BEV: Carry 1000# extra 🔋 wt most days. Phev: carry 1000# extra ICE most days.
I am interested in the Xtrail
How about the Honda CRV Hybrid?
Why would you compare outlander phev vs rav4 hev when you also have much better rav4 phev?
Did you know that rav4 has phev version that is actually killer of outlanders phev in every way.
because Toyota Australia don't sell the Rav4 Prime for the AU market.
Rav4 Prime is a smaller car, medium drive quality, poor 4-drive system that everyone talks about vs outlander, bland interior. Look up Outlander phev All-wheel drive test vs Prime. Outlander easily won.
@@allensoofian7632 in what category is outlander better than rav4 prime xse tech package?
It is much slower to 62mph or quarter mile.
It has worse mpg than rav4.
It has worse obsolete ice.
It has worse obsolete hybrid system.
It has less ev range.
It has slower on board charger.
It has less tech inside.
It has unusable 3rd row.
It has less reliable reputation.
So in what thing or category does outlander beat rav4 prime easily?
outlander is best of best
can confirm a few things with regards to the X-trail E:Power, even though it has about 250kg more weight over the petrol version due to the instant torque from the electric motors you won't notice it in terms of pulling power, that said ride balance is firmer over speed bumps and potholes, steering is virtually the same as petrol spec, obviously a mechanical AWD X-Trail is not as fast as electric AWD that said both offer Torque Vectoring it's just that the mechanical AWD version is slower to react, brakes rotors are a key difference, the X-trail petrol brake rotors are tiny by comparison to the X-trail E:Power.
Fuel consumption? many reports from E:Power owners are showing around 6.5L per 100km which is respectable, not Rav4 Hybrid like but again decent enough considering its from the factory electric AWD whereas Rav4 Hybrid could be FWD or electric AWD,, petrol X-Trail reports show around 7.5L for a larger petrol NA engine, CVT and mechanical AWD, I think that is also respectable
I'll take the plug in hybrid which can go proper ev mode but off course for up to 80km ish but that's still fine. However what's not fine is the "electric mode only" top speed is only 70kmh compared Volvo's S/V/XC 60/90 T8s which can do 100kmh but for a very short time. Nevertheless, plugins hybrids and pure evs are ideal in cities, short drives, congestions and anywhere that require frequent stops.
Not true - owned the Gen 4 Outlander PHEV for about a year now, and you can drive at 100kmph in pure EV. Do it regularly. When visiting parents, we have 30 km trip (one way - 60 return) of which over half is motorway. Can get there and back in EV on 2/3 of a battery.
@@gmilne13 Glad to know. So it's not what this vid has said. Thank you.
What is your opinion for 😂Haval h6 ultra hybrid 2022
The Nissan X-trail most likely start the gas engine when you are below X% on the battery and keep going until it can use the brake to regen, I'm guessing it cant regen with both the engine and the regen tech at the same time so it fire up the engine and continue until it has to stop or when you are stopped so it know it can use the engine more efficiently
You can configure the Xtrail as a 7 seater
when test AC not turn on
How many Richard Berrys long are they though? Bring back that test! Lol
The regular maintenance of a car will always be a substantial fraction of the total operating cost of a vehicle. In the absence of a transmission system, and the complicated ICE & electric motor interface, I think e-Power will win overall.
Should compare with RAV4 phev
How much did the Mitsubishi cost to charge the out lander cost of running is the true over all cost petrol and electricity and did that equal the same amount of money spent as the rav and plus the extra cost of the perchance I've the rav that's slot of fuel for the rav and the Toyota is the king of hybrids so will definitely out last the other two and have better resale
Why Rav4 Prime wasn't included in this test? It has a long range battery.
not available in australia mate, or if it is its rare as hens teeth.
E-power ❤
3.7/100 fuel economy is amazing considering you never have to charge it coz youre not paying for a higher electricity bill
I don’t have any of those, so I just choose the mitsu rav4 x-trail.
Mitsubishi is my take from what you preached
I guess including the MG or Haval hybrids will make this setup or outcome unpalatable... Would've been much more practical, feature packed, and best value.
Rav 4 Hybrid is awinner and best car in this video
Who else went straight to verdicts?
Easy for me ill take the nissan x trail anyday it was a pleasure to drive and fast fuel os only slightly more higher by paper only others are boring