Honda Element RUST RECALL // This Is The ONE
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- The day has finally come... If you live in an area (Currently Canada) where your Element is affected with the Honda RECALL for the rear trailing arm corrosion then this video is for you. A lot of people including myself were worried for this since Honda could possibly take away your Element if your rust was bad. Hopefully this video gives you a better idea of what this is and what to expect if you are the ones affected. All the best!
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Dude, this is a nice video to help get the word out about the recall. Honda (and Honda mechanics everywhere) knows the Element had some definite rust issues and was prone to extreme frame and suspension parts rust. What I think you fail to realize here is just how amazing it was that they did this recall for vehicles that are 17-18 years old. That's going above and beyond the call of duty IMO. Honda has done a lot of crappy things over the years not recalling what they should have (mostly transmission related things come to mind) in a timely fashion or at all but this was truly a nice thing to do, as long as they weren't being forced by some government agency or something, which wouldn't surprise me.
I once owned a 1990 Geo Metro convertible with frame rust/rot and didn't truly find out the extent of how dangerous the car was to drive until after it was 25 years old and the clutch went out. There were no recalls for that issue on those models. Most manufacturers aren't going to do something like this on a vehicle this old. Kudos to Honda for this.
I just picked up an element and found your video and Immediately went to check based on your screenshot at the honda recall site, and, the recall was already done. Phew!
thanks!
Thanks for posting. I got a letter from Transport Canada last week but I knew about this ahead of time, indirectly through discussions with the local Honda stealership. They perform a "test" of sorts to confirm that the unibody has not already been compromised by corrosion (see your images in your video 2:02). If this happened, Honda will “buy back” your car. It is highly unlikely that Honda will “keep” your car hostage if it fails - I recall a news article from a few years ago where an owner of a CR-V had her car detained at the stealership. This was a misunderstanding of the protocols and I expect that the stealerships know better now. Knowing about the corrosion in that area, last summer, I rehabilitated the unibody myself in the trailing arm mounting area: wire-brushed off the rust and treated it with RustKiller primer followed by a rust paint top coat then touch up with Krown oil spraying. With the recall notice, I then removed all four trailing arm mounting bolts, cleaned them up and reinstalled with anti-sieze then torqued to factory spec. I have not had the warranty work done yet but I totally appreciate your stills of the installed bracing so now I know.
Glad you liked the comment and I just watched your March 3 update. Question for you - 0:41 I see some rippling/waves in the body from left to right below the window (other than the minor dent). Mine has the same rippling/waves appearance and I have only seen that in one other Element but it is not common. I have the original paint so not collision damage that I am aware of. Did some of these Elements come from the factory with that kind of metal defect? Thanks.
@@canuckfixit7722 As far as i know mine is not a defect, just battle scars from using the Element the way it was intended.
@@lifewithabox Well, yeah. Then by extension, in consideration of all the little dints and scratches mine has (bought it that way) it was through some kind of battle. LOL
I brought my 2006 awd Element with 373000 km in for the inspection last Friday. It Failed. The place where the bolt mounts was solid. I inspected it with my mechanic. They said that when they tried to remove the bolt it stripped. They showed me pictures from inside the area in frame around there and there was corrosion and missing metal. They've failed at least 3 other elements including one with just over 150000 km.
If you're going to take yours in, do as someone mentioned and carefully remove and reinsert the bolts so they aren't seized when you take it to the dealership. Might be a good idea to get a mechanic to put a scope up in there to see what's going on. If you've got missing metal, not sure what you could do to stop it from getting to the point of failure. But jist letting people know tjat just looking at it from the outside is not really any indication of if it will fail.
I am having this very repair done this month.
Just had the recall carried out on my 2003 Element and right away i noticed the vehicle feels stiffer and handles better.
YES! That's exactly what i felt too. So maybe i'm not the only one who thought the same.
If we bought our element used, will we be able to be use the recall?
@@tanyaczarnecki3074 were you able to get the recall??
@@tanyaczarnecki3074 Mine was used and they honored the airbags recalls, where safety is concerned I don't think they care if you are the original owner.
Thanks for posting, I'm a little less worried about turning my element in now.
Thank you for the great information.I will be calling Honda tomorrow.
Awesome thank you for this. I live on the north oregon coast. Salty. I'll definitely keep this in mind.
Thanks for posting. got the letter from Honda & planning to do it next week. Now I know what is it. thanx a lot..
My 2008 Element did not pass, but Honda gave a generous buy-back "offer". I promptly purchased another Element, which was also inspected, and passed (whew!).
Thanks for the heads up, will follow up with the local Honda dealer.
Thanks so much for the heads-up info on the rust recall. I live in Minnesota USA, so I am pretty much the neighbor of "Beautiful Canada". Since my 2006 Element is outside in salty conditions I will have it checked ASAP. I just had my catalytic converter and oxygen sensor replaced because It was sawed off, that would have been the perfect time to have it checked, but I really appreciate being able to have it corrected now even without the recall for safety reasons. Your red Element is really great looking, Congrats and Thanks again Neighbor🚙
Thanks so much for making this video I have a 2006 Honda element in Ontario Canada I don’t know if I wanna take the chance of them taking my car away ,if their inspection doesn’t go my way, have gone under the vehicle and it is regularly rust proofed by me twice a year it looks great under there,no rust.
My appointment is Wednesday... fingers crossed
Just got mine done, thought it would fail cuz of the rust, it passed. Got the fix (if you want to call it a fix). It's just a cradle to hold the trailing arm when it does separate from the car. No law suits from the wheel assembly leaving the car. They are protected but if you have a rusty E it is no safer.
Mine was rusted badly same spot, 03 E Ex. Was jacking up the car near the rear control arm and the jack pushed right through the rusted area you are showing here. Took it to a shop and they had to cut out the rusted spot and weld new steel in place with reinforcement, they also painted the area to protect from more rust. I’m in US so no recall here. I contacted Honda and they basically told me to go to hell.
Keep your receipt, hopefully they will have the recall in the US and you may be reimbursed.
I have looked at a few videos on TH-cam talking about this subject and I suggest you have someone inspect all your parts underneath, then see if it’s necessary to replace any. Did the Honda dealer tell you there’s nothing else to replace? Did you ask them?
Good to know! Definitely gonna check mine out
Your Element barely fits in the garage, but it’s better than leaving it outside all the time.
Thanks
That recall only apply out states ,,,I'm Honda Tech and i owe a Element.
My 05 is considered a fail, the buy back is not an interesting amount... Compared to what I just spent in the last few months, stolen catalytic converter, suspension work, etc. Today is a very sad day...
I lost mine too. I feel your pain.
@@seangalbraith6837 This is so sad for so many of us in the Element community
how much did they give you?
@@Cabrio9999 $4250 for a 2006 EX-P, auto, AWD with 283000km
Wonder if I can get this brace in the USA
Do you know the part number for that brace? I live in USA and there is no active recall but I would like to install that brace.
Weird. I got 270k and zero rust.
Maybe they had a bad batch of zinc coating?
In any case, does anyone know the part number for the retrofit?
Does anyone have the part numbers for the trailing arm support braces by Honda ?
While my '03 EX/AWD w/ ~130K miles (in WI) does have undercarriage [surface] corrosion, I'm treating it with wire wheels/brushes and generous amounts of rust neutralizer products. (no sealing paint - just efforts to stop/thwart/retard further deterioration) - and would like to install the braces myself if need be as I'm in the states..
We are the only 2 east york element drivers
This is a major problem with this vehicle and it seems to be a hit or miss based on assembly line and not on ownership. I have two elements. One is pretty much rust free and one can be taken to the Auto recycler in about 100 pails of rusted dust. Both rear suspension lower control arms fell off the vehicle at highway speeds simultaneously. There is nothing left to weld too. This is a major manufacturing defect that Honda must own up to. The Canadian government has already forced them to buy back vehicles. Let's see what our government does
Thanks for the heads up
Well im gonna give them a called tomorrow mine just failed today thank god i wasnt moving fast, but i dont think im gonna pass inspection
i always shoot wd40 or any some other oil when i change my tires..and that part is still solid after all these years on my 2006
Hi, I have received the recall letter for the rust problem, but you mentioned the airbags recall is not recently right?? I remember that happened 4 to 5 yrs back.. is that correct?? because of my recent letter just for the rust problem.....
Yes the airbag recall was done twice each a few years back. The recent one is just for the rust.
Mine passed its recall inspection 😁Cheers from Sault Ste Marie!!
nice looking ride
Thanks!
my car is 2003 element and I am worried that I will not pass inspection, but my mileage is really low only 110K, what is the mileage on your car? just to compare to see ... that way it would give me more confidence to see if I should get it done. hope to hear from you. thx
mine is an 03 with almost 400K BUT I'm not sure if mileage along is enough to determine if it will pass. I read someone with 75K failed but they lived up North. I'm referring to KM
Hello I have a question. So it’s just called a brace right. Are the parts available to purchase or do was have to get them from Honda because if so then I might install it on my Honda Element. I live in the U.S. by the way.
That is definitely a great question. I believe Honda Canada's priority is to get all the affected vehicles serviced first. Once that's done and they have spare braces in stock they can potentially think about selling them if there is demand.
Just had my 2008 inspected and fixed. yea!
central ontario, 160k
Is this fix really making the car safe?
Yes and no. This is a bandaid, basically. The trailing arm can still break, but if it does this gives you a chance to pull over and keep the wheel from flying off.
Wait anyone hear about US ones?
the section that fails is a mount bracket on fame rail iv done repairs on this doing one currently the body rail has a L plate that holds the nut that holds the real trail arm on it also holds the rear brake line bracket if u remove the under coating and seam seal u can see tha large plate that is welded to frame rail i basicly remove it and make a thicker version and make a lower trailing arm cup or salvage one from a car in yard thinking of making kits to fix this or correct this
Hi. On my 2003 Element that I've owned since new, I just found out that my rear driver side trailing arm mount has broken away due to rust. Is this a repair that requires removal of much of the interior near the back and disassembly of the suspension? Or can it be all done from underneath? Would you be interested in selling a kit? I was told alignment of this point is critical. Thanks for help.
@@NP-co7kjlooking in to a alignment kit u bold and weld with the repair plate and still working on a cup to weld to body that just lines up to the stud that sits on frame brace may be selling them on my fb group "honda elements canada" got few projects on go been busy plus now that weathers getting warmer im going to start working on few projects and may start making awd body mount brackets aswell for fwd to awd conversions
I'm in Calgary, no recall but mine look pretty rusty made a complaint to Honda. Did you undercoat your vehicle? , yours actually look pretty clean.
Last time I undercoated mine was 4 years ago.. guess i should start doing it more regularly
Do you have part # for brace, my 2003 crv was fixed by me by cutting a flap in the body to access where the body rot was located and taking a 1/2 inch bolt inside the cut out sticking thru the control arm bracket and filling the area with fast drying cement. When the cement set I put a 1/2 nut on, folded back flap and undercoated the area. Only rotted out on the drivers side and still fine even after 6 years. Now on the news they are recalling u s crv’s 2007-2011 and buying back non fixable cars.
Honda quality continues to nosedive....................
I checked the location of that brace mount, it's pretty thin metal I don't see how it can provide much support
Hi, love your element, thanks for the videos, btw, what size khumo tires do you have because I need new tires...also was your far lifted or is it stock? Thanks, Peter
I should do this and put a camera on my honda next time it goes to the dealership..
Thanks for the info. What is your wheel set up? It looks very nice.
Thanks! 235/70/17 running spacers on stock suspensions.
@@lifewithabox You doing 1 in spacers? And what brand wheels? I was gonna do a offroad style wheel but they are mostly steel wheels. I think it might be a little to heavy. I dig your set up still gives it that look.
@@jasonvue1985 30mm spacers and they are TE37 wheels 17". Thanks
I wonder if there is any compensation to Element owners who are told they can't drive it anymore.
Sounds like I was lucky with my Element, I traded my 2004 because 13 years of salty PEI winters definitely took its toll. I replaced the Element with a 2017 Tacoma 6 speed MT. My first brand new vehicle. In January 2020 Toyota issued a service advisory that certain 2015-2017 Tacoma's were rusting excessively and they needed to treat my frame with corrosion resistant compound. One rust issue to another. I knew about Toyota's previous generation frame rust issue but figured they would have considered that in the 3rd gen. Sounds like Honda is kind of doing the same thing. 🤷🏻♂️
Yes they are currently offering compensation to Elements that don't pass the inspection. Not sure what the amount will be but the value is calculated taking into account the year, trim, and mileage. They said they will even add a bonus onto of the final price.
@@lifewithabox Only way that will help is with a new bonus element! I've wanted one for 10 years. I"m finally getting one. I need to make sure it passes before I pay for it!
@@kylieh916 Exactly! Make sure it's confirmed to pass the recall before you pay.
Do they drilled holes for the brackets?
I believe they used some of the existing bolts and added longer ones to attach the brace.
@@lifewithabox This is correct. They do not do a puncture test, because there were problems when they did this in the past.
I got the recall done on my Honda element and passed
Can I ask what dealership you used? I am buying my first ever car /Element on Monday. I haven't heard from the seller anything about this. On the off chance you're in Toronto, I hope I could schedule this while I'm there, since there was no fuss with whoever you dealt with. Thanks!
I went to Toronto Honda on the Danforth. Yes chances are the seller wouldn't know about this recall. I would highly request that you get the seller to get this recall addressed or at least tell him to bring it to Honda to inspect before you purchase it. Let me know!
I am.going tomorrow to look at a 2005 element . I will be running the Vin number with my sister in law as she is a service advisor at parkway honda .
Honda will take your Element away from you? There are no laws in Canada to prevent private property to be taken away from you?
Canadian government is more socialist than U.S., but maybe not so much more after November 2020 election.
@@tomcooper5188 Good point
BTW what size tires are you sporting?
I thought both Canadian-sold Elements and American-sold ones were both made the same at the plant in East Liberty OH but for Québec the User Interface is in French. Do they make Canadian Elements different? Also, I see airbag recalls on every car i've ever looked at recalls for, I thought it's just normal for things (like dashboard plastic) to go flying when the airbag blows up and things just break when you crash so I never really took those seriously. Also is the recall for all years of the Element or just the older ones?
All cars made for the Canadian market have to meet Canadian regulations - beside having a metric instrument cluster, there are no English words - they are all icons in Canada. This way one gauge cluster works for all of Canada. I think one example I've noticed is the parking brake. I've seen USA with the word PARK, in Canadian cars, it's a weird icon. There are others, but I can't remember the last time I saw a USA cluster :)
Also - we have daytime running lights in Canada, they've been mandatory for cars built 1989 and up, so there are subtle design differences for that reason, too.
The current Element recall are for 2003 - 2010. The airbag recall was for the inflator where that can send shrapnel if inflated. That airbag company is a supplier for many Honda models and for other car manufacturers as well.
@@spinphoto I saw a video of someone changing light bulbs in a Canadian Honda Elements cluster and from what I could see it didn't look too much different than my us one other than the kilometer per hour numbers swapped places with the miles per hour numbers. The element in the video had to eat be a 2006 or earlier I know they change the cluster after that year.
@@robertknight4672 maybe it was my video th-cam.com/video/POpaAhWeUxc/w-d-xo.html
There are many Americans calling for the recall in the USA, but for whatever reason it hasn't been ordered there yet. Transport Canada is taking it more seriously it seems... but they are definitely breaking in the USA. It is all models years except 2011.
Install a brace is no fix for a rusty chassis.
If we bought our element used, will we be able to be use the recall?
Yes you can get it .
WHat if you are about to buy a used Element?
Hold off. Make sure the seller gets the trailing arm fixed at Honda and passes before you buy any used Element.
HELP!!! I have a 2003 Honda Element EX with this Exact problem and I was told by a few mechanics it can't be fixed. I was going to sell it because I can't get it fixed or drive it anymore.., but then I ran across this video and am hoping I do have an option so that I can keep it. There's nothing else wrong with it other than that horrible rust on the driver back underside that holds the rear wheel in place. I live in Ohio, if I call Honda are they going to fix this for me?? So I can keep my Honda..?.. And if they can't fix it, what am I to expect from Honda dealership??? My Element is in great working order otherwise, and great looking still too.., I bought it used in 2018 for $4000 at a private dealership. By 2019 this rust issue has taken over and I've just been sitting on it ever since, not knowing what to do.., just been very upset over it..., Any advice is greatly needed, I want to keep my Element. Thanks!
How did you make out with your element?? Mine just had this issue I live in NY. I've had to complain to attorney general and the NHTSA.
@@jasonoare2871 I still have it stored on my car trailer. I haven't done anything with it, thinking about selling it and cutting my losses. I've been waiting to receive a recall notice here in the states like they did in Canada, but it has not happened and I don't think it's going to. I don't think mine is fixable, but I would have liked to have gotten a buyback at the least. I don't know what I'm going to do with it. This really sucks. I purposely wanted my 2003 Honda Element, I love these SUVs. This is such a disappointment to lose my car so quickly at no fault of my own. Thanks for inquiring, I appreciate it 😇
Let me know if you got any help with yours. Thanks.
I will keep you posted, I posted a message in a Element page and asked everyone to contact Honda especially if they live in the northern part of the u.s. where they see salt on the roads. Also to contact the NHTSA because the more people that complain about the recall not being here in the u.s. as it is in Canada the better.
Diane, have you called any of the numbers I gave you?? I got a call back today from the local Honda dealers service manager. I called them Monday or Tuesday and left a message. Ironically the day I called he had a customer bring in a CRV with the same problem. Honda America had the owner bring it in. Service manager said they know about the issues they are waiting for the recall before they can do anything unless honda sends you to them on their own. He told me to call Honda America which I had already done. I called them back to follow up on my complaint and told them about what my local dealer told me. I was told I will be getting a call next week from someone from Honda on what to do. This was my daily driver so I'm making them understand that especially when this could have been prevented of I got the recall back in January 2021.....I also followed up with the NHTSA they posted my complaint on their site and are investigating and asking others with same issues to report them.......if you're sitting and waiting for a recall, you're gonna sit and wait.
I'd advise you to make a detailed complaint with the NHTSA.....also call and make a detailed complaint with Honda America and you should get the ball rolling and I'd say by the end of November you should have it fixed or bought back.
Soon as they deal with my problem I have no reason to keep calling them. So you could wait another year for a recall who knows. So get on it!! Lol
They stiffed you all right.
ai ai ai mine is pretty rusty and there is sweat now forming on my imagination ;(
Awesome E brah 🤙🏽
hahahah they suckered him to come in to up-sell him a laundry list of crap the vehicle doesn't need. See the Scotty Kilmer videos dude.
Update: my Element failed the test and is gone :-(
Hey Sean, I've yet to bring mine in - so when you get a fail - what happens next? Market value plus a bonus means what exactly? Can ya ball park it for me? I'm worried now that your crossed fingers didn't do the trick. Sorry for your loss by the way - that blows.
@@phillipc.1805 You can choose not to take the buyback, but what then isn't clear (other than you sign your life away). For me, my 2006 with 292,000kms on it, the buyback was $4200. Yeah I'm bummed about it big time, but is what it is. Best of luck to you!
@@seangalbraith6837 Hey there. I just got my letter a couple of days ago (American car - they take a while to find you). My '06 just turned 161K miles. I expect if mine's not fixable we would probably be in the same ballpark. Did they give you a cheque, or was it 'trade in value"?
@@bwells5433 it was a cheque. Took 3 days. Good luck go you!
Honda...we recommend a bank account flush ASAP.
A million doll-hairs for flushes/belts it does NOT NEED. This is ROFL funny.