1st Time "Floating" Gears - International w/ Road Ranger 8LL NNKH
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.ค. 2021
- This was my first time driving Andrew Camarata's International 10-wheel dump truck. It has an Eaton Fuller Road Ranger 8LL.
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Every body wishes to have a friend like Andrew
or just to have andrew as a freind
@@owentoal989 Too true
He doesn't let people know he is gay yet? Why ?
@@bern6984 Say again?
@@bern6984 seriously? 😕
This is a great video! Really explains and shows how hard it is to start out driving a semi truck! Super nice of Andrew to let you use his equipment and take time to teach you.
I agree that that was extremely generous of him especially considering I could have easily damaged it. Although I certainly would have fixed it if I did. I was originally going to edit this and chop it up more, but I felt leaving the full driving experience with struggles displayed it best
@@NoNonsenseKnowHow It is awesome showing all the steps that go into driving a semi. I love this video you guys did. Some of those roads you drove on were pretty narrow!!
This is what a fellow truck driver told me, “it’s not the getting up that’s hard, it’s the getting down”.
haha yup
It kills me to let other people run my equipment. I can imagine Andrew’s thoughts. But that being said he’s the prince of cool.
Brings back memories of 10 speed split shift I drove many years ago. Lots of fun going through the mountains.
Just got done watchin AC’s video an now yours! Great day !
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That was little rough to watch. Some thoughts to put things into perspective: Ive been driving manual since I was 17 and have never owned an automatic. I can float the gears in my 12v cummins / NV4500 transmission all day long smooth as butter. That being said, as you can see even with being experienced driving manual, this unsynchronized 8LL is definitely a challenge. I don't fully understand why people say dont use the clutch even a little bit just to help ease the gear change? Especially for when you're first starting out and are not familiar with the particular rig. Also, for anybody wanting to learn, I definitely don't suggest starting out on tight mountain roads with slopes. Was a little sketch there! Haha. Anyway those are just a few thoughts I had and I hope this video serves to display how driving an 8LL can be challenging at first. Huge thank you to Andrew for allowing me to drive his rig.
a clutch change is always cheaper then a new gbox.
You learn fast. You'll be slick shiftin' in no time.
I hear ya. I learned to drive manual on a 1948 Ford 1-ton with no synchros. Had to double clutch every gear change and it certainly helped that I learned when I was a kid and my brain was more "flexible" than it is now!
Well - you finally learned not to change gears with two fingertips LOL
@@johnhansen189 works good with my trans. Clearly Not the 8LL. Lol
I had trouble with just normal double clutch shifting so had to get an automatic licence rather than spending more money.
thinking of going back to give it another go now though
Double clutch, it's a pain but it works and will sort out your shifting issues. As you become more comfortable with that trans you'll be able to shift without the clutch.
Gonna have to double clutch on your road test anyway
@@jackk8422 my examiner said he doesn’t care you shift as long as you don’t miss gears. I floated on my test. That was 10 years ago.
Truer words were never spoken, Steve. Walk before you run.
@@robftzptr4438 Exactly. Far too many "operators" try to run before they've learned to walk and it rarely ever pays off well. I'm of the mind that if you're going to learn to operate a heavy truck that you should be taught to double clutch and learn how to shift by the numbers, as it were. You'll know how to "properly" shift a heavy trans and use your gearing to its best advantage. Learning how to stop is equally as important as learning how to get moving forward, as is learning how to correctly reverse a big vehicle. Take your time, get it right the first time and you'll never regret it.
Steve, I was amazed that once you got backing down, how much easier backing a semi was than a boat.
Andrew is the coolest . Even as busy as he is , he still shares his time and equipment . Owners understand how hard it is to let someone learn how to drive using your stuff. You really have to appreciate a man like this . Great content . Shifting , timing engine rpm matching etc. is an art , like Andrew said , it takes time and practice to hear and feel all at once . I have a old Pete with a 5/4 dual trans, I have missed gears and had to just pull over and start all over , yes it's embarrassing , but humiliation builds strength , patience , character and understanding .
Andrew is such a cool guy to let you learn
Andrew is amazing ! I basically watch your channel because you remind me a lot of him . That’s awesome you guys got to hang out . Great job 👏 It takes balls to drive a truck like that !
Andrew is very patient teacher
Yeah I thought that it was you in ACs video. I like that you don’t use his name for clickbait👍
Real fans recognize the truck in the thumbnail lol.
@@AlwaysBored123 true!
Kinda cool seeing back to back vids with different perspective, can’t wait for the military truck stuff😏
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Now I see that "grind it, till you find it" doesn't always work in a truck like this. ;-)
You did great!
400 rpm step on the down shift is almost always a good sweet spot. I’ve been driving a truck for 20 years now seems like yesterday when I got my license. Keep up the progress.
Andrew is a pro at driving his truck and Cody was having a blast too lol
The scenery is amazing. I always enjoy the Collaboration videos with Andrew. That’s where I found your channel. Great job.
Love the sound of engine braking in the morning 👍
I didn't read the description, just started watching. It's the coolest surprise when Andrew shows up in someone else's video.
I learned on a 1949 Mack L series with a 4x4 I was 14. Every time I reached for the clutch my uncle who owned the log truck would slap my upside the head. I learned fast. We never called it "floating gears," that phrase seems to have arisen in the last 20 years or so. We just called it shifting without the clutch. It was a harder lesson when I took drivers education in a car. You have to use a clutch there and I didn't know how. (1967)
Man you did great! That’s a rough transmission to learn on. Most of the trucks Halliburton had (in the early 1980’s) were the Fuller Road-ranger RTO 9513. It was a Cadillac of a transmission. High/low range with a splitter. I learned double clutching and never really got away from it. I could drive clucthless, just didn’t for some reason. It’s a different ballgame, driving a truck. Btw, gorgeous country!
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Happy to see you link up with Andrew. I enjoy both of your channels.
Mr Andrew, you did an awesome job teaching your friend. Everything you said was on point. Not to mention how brave you are. When I'm teaching a new driver to me, I take them in the fill pit as we call it in the Bahamas 🇧🇸. Lol. The pits have steep hills and plenty room for the new driver to correct themselves without costing my heart to speed up so quickly if they make any mistakes. Once again awesome job and great videos.
No disrespect. But if youtube had academy awards or golden globes. Andrew is definitely the winner.
The roads are beautiful!!
All these years watching your channel i didn't realize you where in my backyard, I drive them roads all the time
Tried driving a buddy’s truck once,could not get those gears….never in my life seen someone laugh so hard!! You did way better than my first time! Lol
I love this video, best video on how to float gears, atleast upshifting. And your mate is actually really helpful, good lad I can tell.
Nice, not bad for a beginner.
Practice makes perfect.
After a bit you won't even think about it,you'll just do it.
I drove a 59 International 20 speed dump truck with two transmissions, it was fun shifting multiple times backing up in the quarry. When first learning how to drive a different truck you watch everything then it becomes habit and you start shifting by ear. Good video. Happy Motoring.
Great!!! Watching new content and found Andrew's truck 👌
I miss those days of driving, thank you my friend well done.
Am happy to see two of my subscribers together
I thought I knew how to drive a manual before watching this video... I thought wrong LOL. This is so so so much harder than a 6 speed / 5 speed... crazy stuff!
now try an 18 speed lol
Love love love it. Reminds me of when I started on the road. I burnt out a clutch on my first trip. The fitter explained to me how to drive not using the clutch. Good old sedon Atkinson 🥳🥳
What a beautiful damn truck! I love the classics!
Lol..I feel your pain. I remember those days. So nervous. And like Andrew said....with 73,280 on it's a whole different animal!! Good video
I had to watch this because I drive a tractor trailer and I've been driving for the last 10 years or so. My previous tractor trailer was an 18 speed, but with the powerful Cummins that was in my Pete I didn't need all of those gears, I used 2nd-18th...skipping gears. Basically I shifted it like an 8 speed, but I split gears as well. My current truck is a 2018 International with a Cummins ISC with a 10 speed and it doesn't have a splitter, so it's 5 low, 5 high. My first non-synchro trans was a 13 speed 28 ton wireline truck. I had never driven a non-synchro trans before and I was following a guy that I had just met through the Allegheny Forest here in PA and he was flying. I was grinding gears and after driving that truck for a couple of months I was slap shifting it and I was getting bitched at saying that it's not my Honda...lmao Just keep practicing and you'll get the hang of it. A non-synchro clutch pedal has 1-3" of free-play, 3-6" of engagement (where you shift), and the rest is what's called a trans brake. You only push the pedal to the floor when you're coming to a stop. When you're shifting (double clutching in the process) you only push the pedal 3-6" and it'll slide right into gear. Also, when you're about to start up or down a hill choose your gear before you go up or down and stay in that gear until you crest the hill or reach the bottom and that'll act as your jake brake.
Nice video. Well done and very informative.
“Now we’re getting on a real road now”😬😆 Did a good job👍
Lol started the vid and put my phone in my pocket to listen then thought hey
That's that andrew fella talkin!
I remember when I had a crash course with a 1990 international with a 12 foot plow and the road ranger with out a jake brake.They are something else! After two snow storms I loved that truck, not so much in the beginning. Down shifting is frustrating! But like he said it’s all feel. That was 25 years ago, killed me to see that go to the junkyard 5 years ago. You definitely would have saved it.😢
To me you did freaking awesome. Good job man.
Thanks Anthony
Down here in Florida you have to double clutch for the test. It doesn't matter how you drive after that but you have to show efficiency in "double clutching" (Clutch and Neutral at the same time, then Clutch and gear at the same time). Good luck guys
Nice job.. nice little 10 wheeler.. drove trucks for 30 years. I was a new driver trainer for about 5 years. Teaching is hard and sometimes scary. Teaching people to drive off-road is even harder
I like how the dog is just enjoying the ride.
Yeah Cody is an awesome dog!
Awesome video
Awesome man
1:56 wow, the scenery looks so nice. Didn't know you were friends with Andrew...
You did a nice job for your first try mate well done.When I got my heavy vehicle licence I trained in a 18 speed Road Ranger.Floating gears takes a while you will get there in the long run.When you get better you can even change gears with out the clutch all together. Job well done.
Good video. Dude, you did fine. I have an old Mitsubishi dump that I float at times and it's just something where you learn as you go. Each trans can feel different, esp. if you've got a big load. I feel like anyone that understands how a manual works will understand that floating is just matching a certain RPM with the gear, it just takes a bit of practice. Give it a day and you'll be golden.
Hey, I really like your International dump truck. I have a 2007 International tri-axle dump truck myself. But it has the fiberglass hood on it. 👍
That's a beautiful jake brake I'd be running it like that too 😅
That is one nice International🚛🔧
He's a work Aholic like you ! I've been watching his channel for years.
I remember those!
That was so funny, I can imagine that's how Andrew's dad taught him. Nice work though that's a huge task if you never done it before, especially with the terrain.
Haha yeah I was laughing as well looking back at the footage when editing. And for sure. Would be a lot easier to learn on flat ground than rolling windy roads
I remember when it was my first time learning with my dad, don't worry the seems hard at first but it'll get easy overtime
The title of the video should be: Torturing Camarata. kkkk
You learned fast. Very well!
Luckily you have the best teacher ever haha 🤣 03:20 be sure to make it (no preasure 10s in hahaha)
I learned on an international bucket truck, with I think the same tranny set up, what a PIA! I was double clutching it which helped me to get the feel for it and throttle position, The motor pool dude was like just jump in its just like your duece haha. ID have nightmares trying to get that thing in position on some steep ass cinder cones where we were putting in a power/comm line,
Wow Andrew I don't know if you remember when you first got the truck and I posted when you said the guy tells you you need to shift without the clutch and I told you it was called floating gears wow glad to see it's happened
Love your t-shirt bro I’m in wasilla AK!
Good shit brother. I think I'm coming up with you next time and give it a try.
Patients of a saint ! I can’t stand trying to teach someone to float gears when they’re acting that way ( 50 million questions and not listening ) I taught my grandson to backup trailers at the age of 10 first ( garden tractor and small trailer ) then forward on a stick ( double clutching ) then floating in my tractor without trailer and then in a full rig ! He’s 16 now and one of the best drivers I’ve ridden with !
It’s called nerves. I’m sure you were nervous at first too.
Your right and thank you for pointing that out ! I do remember ( even though it was almost 50 years ago ) and sometimes i forget that this generation is differant then mine and i should cut them some slack ! Im sorry !@@ihateactors
In many states floating the gears instead of double-clutching as designers of the equipment recommend will get you to fail on a driving test. Being able to shift a truck without grinding gears is a big part of a driver's test...you really might want to learn how to do things in a way as to get your license. Learning to double-clutch also gives you a lot more options when you come upon things unexpectedly on the road, while floating gears only gives you a small window of opportunity to get into another gear.
I believe in NYS you need to double clutch to pass the test.
Great vid even Cody got into training mode with the gear change assistance 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Andrew is a legend 😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀😀
Gear shifting is like riding a bike do it wrong and you fall off 🤣 Do it right your on the way to success its all in the art of good judgement combined with timing your revs with shift changes. Shifter wobbling have to make sure its ready for the voyage🙄🙄🙄🙄 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 cant have Cody selecting sneaky gears 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nice dozer cool video 👍
that little village they drive through look like Tannerville if you keep going up on 23a it take you to Hunter M.T, Palenville up there to . there a lot of swimming holes in Palenville . nice first drive on a big truck
this is the same feeling i had when me father taught me how to drive his old tractor back when i was 12. just nervous because i didn't want to break anything. lol
I drove big trucks for years. And taught a lot of guys how to shift a truck. It all boils down to matching the rpm with the mph. And you don’t have to be going fast. I had a Mack that I could be sitting still and drop into gear without using the clutch and no hopping then shift it through all the gears and not be going over 25 mph. It’s rpm x mph.
Hell yeah i remember my first time
Good luck. I know you'll get it. Someone said double clutch - it's what works best till you get comfortable and learn your shift points. Then you'll be floating up and after some practice, down. NEVER, and from painful experience, NEVER downshift between the splits, high to low in the same gear. It makes a beautiful sound of gears spinning and teeth clanging till it eventually connects with a VERY VIOLENT lurch and your engine dies. Hopefully you won't be going uphill with an overloaded flatbed... I learned from my mistakes...
I drove a KW T2000 for a while with a 2,4,6 Jake and it was for the number of cylinders contributing to the engine brake. I drove CA Hwy 80 and 395 and 5 all up and down the Western Corridor. I never Jaked uphill but...
Had a friend teach me this in my Cummins diesel 6 speed . I did not really like the truck until he showed me this. Now I use clutch just to start out and it’s much more pleasurable to drive. Especially in traffic. Rip Frank
Cute doggy 🐶
Your doing great learning him how to drive and everything you’ve told him is correct. Just one thing I’d like to add, I figure your engine is a 270 or 290 could be a 350 but I wouldn’t think so but anyway the jake brake is very strong on that engine and with jaking down hill do not let your RPM’s get over 18 cause if you do you will bend a pushrod. I hope I don’t sound like a wise guy because it’s not meant that way. I actually learned to drive truck on that exact one and I’m telling you about jaking from experience and by the way that was in 1985-1986 and I learned in the coal fields hauling 30-40 ton on that power torque 270 up and down hills where you could only pull the hills in 2nd gear. Anyway hope I help save you some engine issues and I moved up to driving Kenworth and Pete tractor trailors with 18 speed transmission’s on those same hills hauling 55-60 ton an unexpected 70 ton accidentally sometimes and pulling it in 3rd and 4th gear but the engines are 600 cummins. Again great job and really enjoy watch the videos.
Thanks man I really appreciate your tips as well. Yeah that thing was definitely over revving on the Jake downhill. I should have been on the brakes a little bit more.
Nice 💜
4:00 you gotta “commit” to that gear change! No backing off.
A little experience goes a long way when learning to sift these gears once you get the experience its easy without the clutch, but you got it, so I normally would use it, unless just lazy. The split gears can be just run in high side or low side till you get in your highest gear. Doubt if there are many still out there. Especially if you work for a commercial company.
Learning to shift a semi can be intimidating at first but with practice it will become second nature to you
Andrews what they call a Hands-On kind of fella
LOL.... when I was 19 delivering hay for cows around the area in Tulare Ca... enjoy 😉
Must be kinda fun driving it when you know what your doing.
My first time was in an old ‘81 Transtar 2 with a 9 speed when I was 17. I got the hang of double clutching but it was downshifting that I never got the hang of
Also don’t know if it’s working but you can control the jake with the fuel pedal and also the clutch. There should be a micro switch on the fuel pump and one one the clutch pedal just under the dash and the free travel should be enough to disengage the jake instead of using the on/off switch as your doing. If the micro switches are working just turn it on and control it with the pedals and just switch from the different stages but remember when you stop to cut it off on the dash or it will kill the engine.
It took me nearly 9 months to figure out how to shift a 10spd roadranger trans...once you get it it becomes a joy to shift and can even skip gears.
U-patter design manual transmission. I've driven that type in a 1990 Ford LS9000 dump truck.
Not bad for a rookie practice makes perfect
I had this experience with a 10 speed once. The guy who owned it let me try it but didn’t tell me anything and just let me grind the crap out of the gears while he sat and watched. Haven’t tried again since lol.
Lol, sounds like a good time
I learned to shift by watching TH-cam videos. Only took a week and never shifted before. Thanks TH-cam
Best thing to learn to float gears in is an older pickup with a granny low 4spd.
Could I suggest getting good at double de-clutching before floating the gears. There is no shame in using the clutch.After all clutches are way cheaper to replace than gearboxes. When you learn to down shift smoothly with the clutch then try floating.It takes time and practice. A little tip, if you miss a gear try going back to the gear you came from (no clutch) build the revs slowly and it will suck it in when the revs and road speed match. I've been driving my classic '85 Kenworth 18 speed for a long time and still use the clutch a lot of the time. It's called mechanical sympathy and saves money.
I learned to float. I didn’t find it hard at all. I really enjoy it.
Man that made my hands sweaty 🥵 lol
Crash boxes are the best
I haul gas/propane in a 22 wheeler. Please don’t give up, practice makes perfect.
Interesting
Andrew channel good too
First dump I ever drove was the same style paystar
YOU DID GREAT CHRIS AND I'M 20 YEARS OLDER THAN YOU AND I HAVE WORKED ON SEMI'S A BUNCH OF TIMES BUT IT'S ACTUALLY THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE NEVER DRIVEN.