One thing you didn’t mention is carbon ceramic brake in winter condition. While the temperature drops under 50F, the Carbon ceramic brake barely stops the car until you brakes for few time to warm it up, and it creates extremely loud grinding noise when it’s cold. It is dangerous for the first or second stop. Another dangerous experience I had with carbon ceramic brakes is when I was driving home from Ski resort, driving Urus with snow tires, after cruising on highway without using any brakes for about ten minutes, I need hard brake because there was a sudden traffic in front of me, my car took forever to slow down even though(I feel like the brake was doing nothing for the first 2 seconds) I brake very very hard, at the moment I thought I was going to rear end the car in front of me, thank god those brakes warmed up and slowed the car down immediately.
@@orcazy01 you should! They are amazing and should be experienced. I can't wait to hear about how you setup the C8. I hear there is a long waiting period...
Short and sweet video, but with a correction: the 2000 Mercedes-Benz CL 55 AMG F1 Edition was the first production vehicle to have standard ceramic brake discs (2 years before the Enzo).
Any part 2 video to this, to record the squeaking they make? How long does it take to heat them up for normal street use in winter and summer? What's your climate like?
Checking the pads thickness from 100% to 20% can be checked just by looking at them but if you have uneven wear which is unlikely most of the time, you might mess that. As far as changing out the pads goes, I would let Porsche do that but if you really want to do it, there is some good DIYs out there.
@@tyson527 less often with carbon ceramic brakes. They use different materials. But it depends on how they are used. Heavy track days will sorted their service life significantly. Thank you for watching my video and make sure to follow us on IG.
The cost of running the OEM CC brakes on a track in a fast car like a 2012 - 2022 McLaren on a road course with serious braking zones like Laguna Seca in Monterrey with a quick driver for a track day weekend is over $2500 in pad and rotor wear Stopping power under track conditions like this is not noticeably enhanced by running CC brakes as opposed to steel brakes Pad and steel brakes set ups would cost under $250 per weekend under same circumstances CC brakes are great for the street with amazing and do not create but a little brake dust Many exotic car owners curse their OEM CC setups as they can need som miles to heat up a bit after you pull out of your garage So one must allow longer stopping distance than normal
Thanks for sharing that information. PCCBs are not very cost friendly at all for the hobbies track day but if they offered less performance, majority of IMSA cars wouldn’t be using them. I know I would use PCCBs if I track a lot due to the cost but the performance is undisputed. Thanks for watching the video.
I have sold my 997.2 for a 981 pdk with steel brakes. The stopping power difference is immense! The pccb never fade and no brake dust. When you’re not tracking the car, i would go for the pccb.
@@immoservicemark7506 When NOT tracking the car - interesting? Do you think the wear is too high when tracking then and therefore could be in for maintenance? I'm probably looking at 3 track days a year...
@@DriversTherapy I am going to buy a racing yellow GT4 with PCCB and 17.000km - I saw the surface cracks but with your infos I‘m not worried any more :)
Man I get that crap all the time on my 14 Z28 “you need to fix your brakes” then I have to explain they are not just normal brakes and cost about $9,000 to replace lol
Ceramic rotors are lighter than steel rotors. Not sure on the exact weight difference. This article says about 10 pounds difference per wheel. rennlist.com/forums/gt4-spyder/860668-pccb-vs-factory-steel-brake-weight-difference.html
The weight saving is particularly significant on high-performance cars, because the rotors are necessarily very large. The importance of reducing unsparing weight is tremendous.
Hi I just ordered a MB car and the dealer said it comes with CC amg brakes. Now I find out the front is CC and the rear are not CC rotors. To me this sounds not right. Any thoughts? Thanks
I am unable to find any information or data on that configuration. Typically you would not mix two different brake materials between the front and back since the would react differently during heat cycles. But, you never know, MB could have found a way to mix the two to make CC an option still. But I’m hesitant to believe it would work well.
@@rd.7732 somehow, they commonly setup 63 models that way. May be they're trying to reduce front V8 weight and keep cost down? I first discovered this with the C63. It's normal, but odd.
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Very interesting information regarding those brakes. Thanks for sharing.
One thing you didn’t mention is carbon ceramic brake in winter condition.
While the temperature drops under 50F, the Carbon ceramic brake barely stops the car until you brakes for few time to warm it up, and it creates extremely loud grinding noise when it’s cold. It is dangerous for the first or second stop.
Another dangerous experience I had with carbon ceramic brakes is when I was driving home from Ski resort, driving Urus with snow tires, after cruising on highway without using any brakes for about ten minutes, I need hard brake because there was a sudden traffic in front of me, my car took forever to slow down even though(I feel like the brake was doing nothing for the first 2 seconds) I brake very very hard, at the moment I thought I was going to rear end the car in front of me, thank god those brakes warmed up and slowed the car down immediately.
I didn’t know that. Great info. I don’t drive my GT4 in winter but it’s good to know.
Great video dude! Forgot to mention how nice they glow on racetracks :)
True!!!
I was JUST spending some time yesterday looking up whether or not I should get CCBs on my next car. Perfect timing for this vid :D
Awesome!!! For the Z06?
@@DriversTherapy Yessir! I think I'm gonna go for them
@@orcazy01 you should! They are amazing and should be experienced. I can't wait to hear about how you setup the C8. I hear there is a long waiting period...
@@DriversTherapy
Crazy how expensive they are!
Short and sweet video, but with a correction: the 2000 Mercedes-Benz CL 55 AMG F1 Edition was the first production vehicle to have standard ceramic brake discs (2 years before the Enzo).
Awesome! I didn’t know that. I will have to read about it. Thanks for the data.
I have 440mm PCCB brakes on my Turbo GT. I have not noticed squeal.
My also don't squeal a lot.
Hope you had covered the special brake pads needed for the CCB rotors. They are even more trickier than the rotors.
I didn’t know that. Thanks for that info.
Outstanding video
Thank you! Really appreciate it. 😀
That’s some entertaining info supreme DT master
Any part 2 video to this, to record the squeaking they make? How long does it take to heat them up for normal street use in winter and summer? What's your climate like?
I live in Colorado. We get all the seasons. I got some squeak after driving hard but otherwise it stays fairly quiet.
@@DriversTherapy thanks!
Great video. Very informative.
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching.
Thank you for sharing great information. How often do I need to change the carbon ceramic brake pads and can I check the condition of pads visually?
Checking the pads thickness from 100% to 20% can be checked just by looking at them but if you have uneven wear which is unlikely most of the time, you might mess that. As far as changing out the pads goes, I would let Porsche do that but if you really want to do it, there is some good DIYs out there.
@@DriversTherapydo you know approximately how often the pads need to be changed ?
On my cayman S, I needed to change them at around 23k miles.
@@tyson527 less often with carbon ceramic brakes. They use different materials. But it depends on how they are used. Heavy track days will sorted their service life significantly. Thank you for watching my video and make sure to follow us on IG.
The cost of running the OEM CC brakes on a track in a fast car like a 2012 - 2022 McLaren on a road course with serious braking zones like Laguna Seca in Monterrey with a quick driver for a track day weekend is over $2500 in pad and rotor wear
Stopping power under track conditions like this is not noticeably enhanced by running CC brakes as opposed to steel brakes
Pad and steel brakes set ups would cost under $250 per weekend under same circumstances
CC brakes are great for the street with amazing and do not create but a little brake dust
Many exotic car owners curse their OEM CC setups as they can need som miles to heat up a bit after you pull out of your garage
So one must allow longer stopping distance than normal
Thanks for sharing that information. PCCBs are not very cost friendly at all for the hobbies track day but if they offered less performance, majority of IMSA cars wouldn’t be using them. I know I would use PCCBs if I track a lot due to the cost but the performance is undisputed. Thanks for watching the video.
The friction layer can be rebuilt by Rebrake in Germany for a fraction of the cost of new
That’s interesting. Good information to know.
wonder how you break them in ?
nice, just bought a porsche with PCCB
Congratulations!
Would love to hear more of your thoughts! I’m looking at 718 GT4 that has them and can’t figure out if I should or not!
I have sold my 997.2 for a 981 pdk with steel brakes. The stopping power difference is immense! The pccb never fade and no brake dust. When you’re not tracking the car, i would go for the pccb.
@@immoservicemark7506 When NOT tracking the car - interesting? Do you think the wear is too high when tracking then and therefore could be in for maintenance? I'm probably looking at 3 track days a year...
Watch out for gravel, can trash those carbon brake in a heart beat! 👍
Thanks for the caution. I appreciate it.
Very interesting video - thx 👍🏼
Thank you for watching!!!
@@DriversTherapy I am going to buy a racing yellow GT4 with PCCB and 17.000km - I saw the surface cracks but with your infos I‘m not worried any more :)
@@DriversTherapy one question - how long do the brake pads last during normal use?
@@lukiii_e awesome! Your going to love it. Don’t worry about the small cracks. Also, make sure to watch my video of the GT4 buyers guides.
Man I get that crap all the time on my 14 Z28 “you need to fix your brakes” then I have to explain they are not just normal brakes and cost about $9,000 to replace lol
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What is the exact weight gain on this ceramics vs steel in kg?
Ceramic rotors are lighter than steel rotors. Not sure on the exact weight difference. This article says about 10 pounds difference per wheel. rennlist.com/forums/gt4-spyder/860668-pccb-vs-factory-steel-brake-weight-difference.html
The weight saving is particularly significant on high-performance cars, because the rotors are necessarily very large. The importance of reducing unsparing weight is tremendous.
@@DriversTherapy thanks for info!
@@luigirigattoni9648 your welcome!
Hi I just ordered a MB car and the dealer said it comes with CC amg brakes. Now I find out the front is CC and the rear are not CC rotors. To me this sounds not right. Any thoughts? Thanks
I am unable to find any information or data on that configuration. Typically you would not mix two different brake materials between the front and back since the would react differently during heat cycles. But, you never know, MB could have found a way to mix the two to make CC an option still. But I’m hesitant to believe it would work well.
😂 Is it a C63? They've always been setup that way, as a simple research would confirm
@@nessuno5403cool, I could not find that out. That is a odd setup.
@nes suno it is a gle and it is front only no worries but I wish MB would offer F and R
@@rd.7732 somehow, they commonly setup 63 models that way. May be they're trying to reduce front V8 weight and keep cost down? I first discovered this with the C63. It's normal, but odd.
Don't these make squealing noise when applied in street in cold weather places.
They squeak in all types of temperatures. It’s just part of the characteristic of the type of brakes they are.
@@DriversTherapy Is that pretty annoying/embarrassing or tolerable?